Gears 5 - Marcus and Jinn Argue About What Killed Anya
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Gears 5 - Marcus and Jin Argue About What Killed Anya
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The thing I like about Marcus and what seperates from Master Chief is that he's not afraid to call out the actions of his government.
@@heroprime7599 Marcus: LIke I give a shit.
@@heroprime7599 he doesn't care
I mean Chief disobeyed orders and went after the Didact in halo 4
@@iceybundles Well, yes I know.
@@coletrain583 so that kind of kills your point lol
"Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming pencils for bad spelling."
-Larry the Cable Guy
I can’t imagine being this stupid
Figure out who uses these guns on who and why. There's a bigger problem out there than the guns.
Marcus: Hammers of Dawn don't kill people. People kill people.
I’m with Marcus because I have seen what the Hammer can do and what will happened if we are not careful.
"Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming pencils for bad spelling."
-Larry the Cable Guy
But what if it was to liberate "pAlEsTiNe" or that fascist dystopia ukraine 😂
@@AximusPrime33
Anya didn’t expect the Swarm. You gotta do what you gotta do in war.
She telling Carmine to slow down but he is literally in a firefight trying not to get killed
She's just a mary sue girl boss that marcus should have told to fuck off.
Women ☕️
There's something more about what killed Anya, one of the hidden collectables was an interview with Jinn asking if she feels personally responsible, and she kinda waves it off.
She died on her fertitily program trying to have a secund son that also didn't make it
@@arturvasques3376I think he’s implying that Jinn _let_ Anya die so she could take the Ministers seat for herself. Which, considering how much of a “Dictator” vibe I get from her, doesn’t seem very far off. She’d be just ruthless enough to kill the woman who rebuilt the World.
@@TheCorrodedMan well that's just a theory A GAME THEORY
@@arturvasques3376daughter exactly.
@TheCorrodedMan yeah but jinn loved anyn and saw her as a mother figure that her opened her eyes on the humanity of the cog so I don't think jinn would go that far especially considering of how horrible she felt reasonable for her death on the verge of tears plus it's better for her to be in the same position that Prescott Faced a damn if you will or damn if you don't Position Which perfectly fits her character.
Jinns not telling the whole story.
Anya didn’t want the Hammer back online because she was there with Prescott, when he ordered Hammer Strikes on civilians populated areas in a desperate attempt too stop the Locust.
While Anya’s justification is understandable but like Marcus said: It’s not the weapon that kills people. It’s the people who used it.
If you think about why Oppenheimer tried to please the President of not to misuse the Atomic Bombs, then the Hammer of Dawn are like nuclear weapons but they are the last resort we needed to protect ourselves.
The worst part is, the Hammer Strikes bought the COG time.
That and the Locust were "dead" no point of keeping the orbital death lasers around when the enemy they were made for was dead.
Jinn's argument falls apart there.
If Anya knew about the Swarm she would have probably wanted it back online
@@scottprice4955 Yeah. Maybe only as a last resort, but she would.
@@scottprice4955 And your whole argument falls apart when you find out that the hammer of dawn schematics were stolen by the COG from the UIR to end the Pendulum Wars, not to defeat the Locust.
2:28
"Slow down!"
Sorry, I'll just not die a little longer.
Smh
Funny enough, I feel like that's something Carmine would respond with on a good day.
@@ticoticoelosomagnifico4041 Right? XD
2:46
To be fair, Jinn makes some good points. They're not points the heroes agree with, but that doesn't make them invalid.
True, but the fact of the matter is that they are not careful and don't start going on the offense, the COG(and humanity) will right back where it was during the Locust Wars: on the edge of extinction fighting to hold what little ground they have left.
Idk man. I get her following what Anya wanted regarding the hammer, but I'm assuming that the only reason she never wanted the hammer to be activated was because it would be used on humans in some pointless future war.
If she knew the locust would come back one day, I'm 100% sure Anya would not HESITATE to immediately bring the hammer back online to use it againt the returning threat.
@@subjectdelta17 Maybe, maybe not. I have a feeling Anya might have drilled the rule NEVER USE THE HAMMER on Jinn. Since the Locusts were no longer supposed to be a threat anymore, she probably made it clear she considered it an ironclad law.
What I think is that Jinn gernuinely respected Anya as a mentor and is trying to live up to her example. Its possible, even probable, that Anya showed quite a few ruthless moments. Rebuilding the world must have meant a large share of compromises and decisions Anya would not have made as a Gear.
Also, it's a forgotten tidbit that Jinn was a Stranded in her youth and saw the Hammer's devastation from the side being shot at. In most people, it would create a deep loathing of the Hammer of Dawn.
@@Ares99999 Well the COG did use it on their own cities with locust and their own citizens to guaranteed everyone’s safety even though it didn’t work. Anya was in the room when they ordered those strikes which really screwed up her mind (GOW 3 Griffin tower mission) I think Anya was more afraid of the hammer being active without threat from locust/swarm than using it against on humans without repeating the cycle
A program that gave you your “son” Anya Volunteered Both Times
1st She had JD
2nd died due to Complications maybe ?
That’s my opinion
Your right, she had complications when she pursued a second child
Yeah thinking the same. In Gears 7 the baby survived and gonna be the new leader of the swarm. Lol
Hmmm... Maybe Anya died because of the second attempt?
Yes, if I’m not mistaken the fertility program had issues, especially when you try more than one child.
See I think jinn has her and Anyas kid held captive somewhere so she can be first minister. Jinn was jealous and wanted to be first minister. I think she faked anyas death. This could be another Adam fenix situation where marcus thinks Anya is dead but she isnt. Marcus thought his father was dead but wasnt. He was held captive.
Really wish Anya was still here she and Sergeant Fenix were such a sweet looking couple rest easy Major Stroud sir you will be miss very very much by Delta squad brothers and sisters in arms 100% indeed right Gears brothers and sisters in arms if you get my point all the way indeed!
Actress wanted her character to die
While I do believe Anya would've been against the reactivation of the Hammer of Dawn, she definitely wouldn't have wanted to be buried with the Allfathers. I agree with Marcus, she'd rather want to be buried with her family.
Considering the lengths the locusts went to try and wipe out humanity its pretty clear why the hammer is needed even if its a horrific weapon, and marcus is right. It's not the weapon but who uses it.
❤ Marcus Fenix rage can be so extreme at times when he gets pushed to far at times ❤
Even though gears has been a downhill plummet ever since 3 I think Jin gets a little too much hate seeing as she’s just doing her job and viewing things as numbers seeing as she isn’t a soldier and she isn’t that power hungry or very narcissistic
Propably Marcus was just grieving that he lost Anya. We all were.
We should also note that Jinn was heavily traumatized by the Locust War during her childhood which had an impact on her decisions as First Minister. She sent an army and a vulture again the Fenix Family because she knows they can’t get caught easily. Plus, Outsiders keep invading her settlements and having DBs guard the settlements avoided a war with the Outsiders (prevent actual gear soldiers from getting killed)
@@PodreyJenkin138 The Outsiders are kind of hypocrites. They want to be independent from the fascist COG yet they keep stealing resources from them. That is not actual independence. The only conclusion I see to Gears is Kait using the hive mind to free the human consciousnesses within the Swarm. This will cause the Swarm to destroy their Locust leaders and make peace with humanity.
@@PodreyJenkin138 They only want to wipe humanity because it was their queen’s final and current order. Myrrah (now resurrected as Queen Reyna) has a grudge against humanity due to her life as a COG lab rat. She likely didn’t reveal the truth because she wants the Locust to fight an actual war not divided small factions (Locusts are like violent Vikings)
Downhill? Bullshit.
1:14 At the end of the day Marcus Decides
Jinn being a former stranded and wanting Anya and her legacy to be on the same level of the all fathers is understandable but Marcus also has his right in believing strongly in having her buried on the Stroud Estate. Reminds me of the Karen Traviss novels.
Honestly how many people think the UIR should have kept the hammer of dawn
Well at least jinn wanted to repopulate planet sera with the program she was doing, unlike Prescott who abandoned the cog for almost a year.
He was bringing lambent samples to Adam. There were breeding programs under Prescott, young girls where given more rations than civilian men and were given hormones by age 10. Jinns breeding therapy was more humane.
And the fact he was willing to kill his own troops who "knew too much"
One thing I really like about gears 4 and 5 is the armor designs is not exaggeratedly big as compared to the previous trilogy. It makes you feel like it's a real world suit that looks every tactical
I swear if gears 6 doesn’t have Anya from the launch lineup of playable characters 😡
She killed Anya. You can't convince me otherwise.
Died via childbirth complications
0:48
I like Jinn she's realistic
She is a worse leader then Prescott, atleast he was suffering with the men instead of hiding in Aurora.
@@offworlder1which proves his point lol
How strict is Marcus Fenix real or extremely
It’s not the weapon I’m afraid of it’s the people who use them
i wish anya was alive :(
Jinn: the hammer of dawn kills people
Marcus: the hammer doesn't kill people. People kill people
Was there a main reason Marcus Fenix Felt a lot of extreme rage at her just asking
Anya is a touchy subject for him. She died because she participated in Jinn's fertility program and had complications with her second child. In my opinion, Marcus is angry at her but knows she's right about the fertility program being a good thing, which only makes him more angry.
To me, it looked like Jinn was name dropping Anya to get her way with Marcus, because she knows how much he loved her. Jinn was being manipulative and Marcus said, "fuck that".
@joeyhuebner10 ooooooh it's not the first time she's tried to manipulate him. She's succeeded with JD, bringing both him and JD Into the COG again. But Marcus was not fooled.
@@bruteunicorn1345I thought that was stupid because didn't Hoffman. Lie about her being sterile to keep her out of the breeding farms Even if she was Steal, she wouldn't be anymore because of the emulsion, which caused sterilization And since the countermeasure successfully purged the infection, she should have been able to give birth regularly. So I think the whole fertility program was bullshit yet and was a cheap way to kill her Off screen.
Gears 5 was perfect
Marcus killed Anya with his BWC
JINN the worst thing to happen to gears since the locust.
She is right about the Hammer tho. There should be an alternative to it. Btw doesn't the Hammer operate with Imulsion?
no
I thought it did
Sunlight ain't powerful enough to power a beam
It used to, but I’d imagine that the COG initially sought (and found) an alternative fuel source for the Hammer once all the Imulsion went inert (and people finding out about its true parasitic nature).
As for alternative weapons to replace the Hammer, with the Locust & Lambent gone there was no need to keep such weapons at all, with the Swarm only being a recent emergence by the time of the video’s conversation to warrant the idea of bringing such weapons back into the fold.
They shouldn’t have killed her offscreen.
2:48 wow. This is hilariously awful. There’s a soldier on the battlefield talking to you loudly over all the noise of the shooting bullets and bombs being blown up and your first response to him is SLOW DOWN!?
Well why don’t you try being on the battlefield then
The Hammer argument is not a valid one. She would be right about keeping it offline up until the very moment the locust returned.
Like right at that momento?
Marcus already went through enough during the locus war and lost so much first losing dom then his father after that annya and then the game makes you pick between jd or del and im sorry i like del but he wasn't that important to the story imo more like comic relief and in some ways a major A$$ kisser and i personally refuse to let Marcus lose the last thing thats probably keeping him sane im sorry del it ain't personal
more like Dek was the carlos santiago of the game
2:09
How exactly did Anya pass away?
How are you this dense?
@@ledzeppelinfan1001 dumb question I know,I’ll do research
She died do to childbirth complications trying to have secund son Jinn's fertility program
@@arturvasques3376 she lived for a while after giving birth until JD was a young child, well if the gears 4 trailer was to be believed
Just saying Marcus Fenix has a real short temper just saying
You ever played gears dummy?
Just figured that out dummy?
Djekeieieejnw dummy?
I wouldn’t be surprised if war doesn’t fuck with you to some degree.
Marcus Fenix has been through a lot of war.
nah, he just knows how to assert himself and takes no shit - pretty understandable given everything he's been through
Marcus demands Jinn to stop talking about his wife, yet she continues to do so. Very disrespectful.
Poor writing is what killed Anya
i need to know what kill anya is it cancer or is it locust kill her what is it this aint explaining nothing
Died during childbirth complications
Yes it did. you're dense as shit lmao
Wow this games bad 2:42
Please slow down?
What? Thats was the strangest thing ive ever seen
Then she says do it go.
Its sounds so poorly written.
Maam were under attack
Please slow down
This game will forever be a stain on the franchise
No it won’t and never was. You’re delusional
@@joshuawillis6024 and 5 are both awful and did the same thing Disney star wars did. Wipe away the victory of the og characters, brush them aside with inferior replacements, and bring back the same old enemy but change the name and appearance slightly
@@kevinfanning8027 that’s completely false. Anyone who never actually paid attention to the story and lore of both would ignorantly think like you do.
@@joshuawillis602 Locust come back but they're "the swarm" not the horde now, very original. I be they soent a lot of time on that one. Myrrah had kids apparently? With who? Pretty sure she waged a genocide on all of humanity so I doubt she was dating anyone. I get you love the series but like with halo it died after 3.
@@kevinfanning8027 the swarm are very much different from the locust. The swarm drones are created from humans. They abduct humans and place them in pods then juvies come out of those pods then those juvies go into nests and then become drones. Only the Scions are original locust but even they’re much different from before. Not only are they bigger and more durable they’re able to biologically make swarm drones stronger. Not to mention all the swarm creatures are nothing like the locust creatures from before except for maybe the Swarmak. There are snatchers and carriers and pouncers and flocks and there was that giant creature at the end of Gears 4 and the Kraken in gears 5. Myraa had a daughter before she decided to rule the locust and go underground. She had her daughter when she was still in the lab at Mount Kadar. You’re also wrong about halo too. You have the mindset of someone who can’t let go of the past.
ngl jinn and kait are why this franchised died and had to ne resuscitated through a prequel 💀
So you’re a sexist
if you’re gonna be sexist at least spell properly
idk if your, “sexist” but if it were still marcus and presscott, you could still say the same thing. its not so much about them being female, imo its just that their characters were poorly written.