Gears 5 - Marcus and Jinn Argue About What Killed Anya

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  • @coletrain583
    @coletrain583 2 роки тому +414

    The thing I like about Marcus and what seperates from Master Chief is that he's not afraid to call out the actions of his government.

    • @coletrain583
      @coletrain583 2 роки тому +29

      @@heroprime7599 Marcus: LIke I give a shit.

    • @BrainMeltGaming
      @BrainMeltGaming Рік тому +5

      ​@@heroprime7599 he doesn't care

    • @iceybundles
      @iceybundles Рік тому +49

      I mean Chief disobeyed orders and went after the Didact in halo 4

    • @coletrain583
      @coletrain583 Рік тому +4

      @@iceybundles Well, yes I know.

    • @iceybundles
      @iceybundles Рік тому +10

      @@coletrain583 so that kind of kills your point lol

  • @mattgerrish908
    @mattgerrish908 5 місяців тому +158

    "Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming pencils for bad spelling."
    -Larry the Cable Guy

    • @VideoGameSophistry
      @VideoGameSophistry  5 місяців тому +11

      I can’t imagine being this stupid

    • @matro2
      @matro2 3 місяці тому +3

      Figure out who uses these guns on who and why. There's a bigger problem out there than the guns.

  • @TheOneBigRed
    @TheOneBigRed Рік тому +251

    Marcus: Hammers of Dawn don't kill people. People kill people.

    • @a.jthomas6132
      @a.jthomas6132 Рік тому +18

      I’m with Marcus because I have seen what the Hammer can do and what will happened if we are not careful.

    • @mattgerrish908
      @mattgerrish908 5 місяців тому +24

      "Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming pencils for bad spelling."
      -Larry the Cable Guy

    • @AximusPrime33
      @AximusPrime33 4 місяці тому +1

      But what if it was to liberate "pAlEsTiNe" or that fascist dystopia ukraine 😂

    • @T-h-a-t_G-u-y
      @T-h-a-t_G-u-y 7 днів тому +7

      @@AximusPrime33

    • @jaegar2786
      @jaegar2786 6 днів тому

      Anya didn’t expect the Swarm. You gotta do what you gotta do in war.

  • @datezjackson1252
    @datezjackson1252 6 місяців тому +90

    She telling Carmine to slow down but he is literally in a firefight trying not to get killed

    • @TacticalTrident7
      @TacticalTrident7 3 дні тому

      She's just a mary sue girl boss that marcus should have told to fuck off.

    • @Onyx1776
      @Onyx1776 2 дні тому +4

      Women ☕️

  • @bradonbriffa9690
    @bradonbriffa9690 Рік тому +138

    There's something more about what killed Anya, one of the hidden collectables was an interview with Jinn asking if she feels personally responsible, and she kinda waves it off.

    • @arturvasques3376
      @arturvasques3376 5 місяців тому +19

      She died on her fertitily program trying to have a secund son that also didn't make it

    • @TheCorrodedMan
      @TheCorrodedMan Місяць тому +34

      @@arturvasques3376I think he’s implying that Jinn _let_ Anya die so she could take the Ministers seat for herself. Which, considering how much of a “Dictator” vibe I get from her, doesn’t seem very far off. She’d be just ruthless enough to kill the woman who rebuilt the World.

    • @arturvasques3376
      @arturvasques3376 Місяць тому +5

      @@TheCorrodedMan well that's just a theory A GAME THEORY

    • @Elitesolider1023
      @Elitesolider1023 6 днів тому +1

      ​@@arturvasques3376daughter exactly.

    • @Elitesolider1023
      @Elitesolider1023 6 днів тому +1

      ​@TheCorrodedMan yeah but jinn loved anyn and saw her as a mother figure that her opened her eyes on the humanity of the cog so I don't think jinn would go that far especially considering of how horrible she felt reasonable for her death on the verge of tears plus it's better for her to be in the same position that Prescott Faced a damn if you will or damn if you don't Position Which perfectly fits her character.

  • @sdmiii1102
    @sdmiii1102 10 місяців тому +109

    Jinns not telling the whole story.
    Anya didn’t want the Hammer back online because she was there with Prescott, when he ordered Hammer Strikes on civilians populated areas in a desperate attempt too stop the Locust.

    • @a.jthomas6132
      @a.jthomas6132 6 місяців тому +12

      While Anya’s justification is understandable but like Marcus said: It’s not the weapon that kills people. It’s the people who used it.
      If you think about why Oppenheimer tried to please the President of not to misuse the Atomic Bombs, then the Hammer of Dawn are like nuclear weapons but they are the last resort we needed to protect ourselves.

    • @harkaway9006
      @harkaway9006 4 місяці тому +1

      The worst part is, the Hammer Strikes bought the COG time.

    • @scottprice4955
      @scottprice4955 3 місяці тому +13

      That and the Locust were "dead" no point of keeping the orbital death lasers around when the enemy they were made for was dead.
      Jinn's argument falls apart there.
      If Anya knew about the Swarm she would have probably wanted it back online

    • @harkaway9006
      @harkaway9006 3 місяці тому +1

      @@scottprice4955 Yeah. Maybe only as a last resort, but she would.

    • @RunThru
      @RunThru 4 дні тому +1

      ​@@scottprice4955 And your whole argument falls apart when you find out that the hammer of dawn schematics were stolen by the COG from the UIR to end the Pendulum Wars, not to defeat the Locust.

  • @eltipobigotudo2162
    @eltipobigotudo2162 2 роки тому +149

    2:28
    "Slow down!"
    Sorry, I'll just not die a little longer.
    Smh

  • @Ares99999
    @Ares99999 Рік тому +126

    To be fair, Jinn makes some good points. They're not points the heroes agree with, but that doesn't make them invalid.

    • @benhouston5975
      @benhouston5975 6 місяців тому +10

      True, but the fact of the matter is that they are not careful and don't start going on the offense, the COG(and humanity) will right back where it was during the Locust Wars: on the edge of extinction fighting to hold what little ground they have left.

    • @subjectdelta17
      @subjectdelta17 Місяць тому +14

      Idk man. I get her following what Anya wanted regarding the hammer, but I'm assuming that the only reason she never wanted the hammer to be activated was because it would be used on humans in some pointless future war.
      If she knew the locust would come back one day, I'm 100% sure Anya would not HESITATE to immediately bring the hammer back online to use it againt the returning threat.

    • @Ares99999
      @Ares99999 Місяць тому +2

      @@subjectdelta17 Maybe, maybe not. I have a feeling Anya might have drilled the rule NEVER USE THE HAMMER on Jinn. Since the Locusts were no longer supposed to be a threat anymore, she probably made it clear she considered it an ironclad law.
      What I think is that Jinn gernuinely respected Anya as a mentor and is trying to live up to her example. Its possible, even probable, that Anya showed quite a few ruthless moments. Rebuilding the world must have meant a large share of compromises and decisions Anya would not have made as a Gear.
      Also, it's a forgotten tidbit that Jinn was a Stranded in her youth and saw the Hammer's devastation from the side being shot at. In most people, it would create a deep loathing of the Hammer of Dawn.

    • @DobbsterLobbster
      @DobbsterLobbster 3 дні тому

      @@Ares99999 Well the COG did use it on their own cities with locust and their own citizens to guaranteed everyone’s safety even though it didn’t work. Anya was in the room when they ordered those strikes which really screwed up her mind (GOW 3 Griffin tower mission) I think Anya was more afraid of the hammer being active without threat from locust/swarm than using it against on humans without repeating the cycle

  • @Setton_Exile
    @Setton_Exile 4 роки тому +134

    A program that gave you your “son” Anya Volunteered Both Times
    1st She had JD
    2nd died due to Complications maybe ?
    That’s my opinion

    • @kingzkid9717
      @kingzkid9717 4 роки тому +40

      Your right, she had complications when she pursued a second child

    • @11beddiev36
      @11beddiev36 4 роки тому +26

      Yeah thinking the same. In Gears 7 the baby survived and gonna be the new leader of the swarm. Lol

    • @BrutusPrimus
      @BrutusPrimus 4 роки тому +8

      Hmmm... Maybe Anya died because of the second attempt?

    • @AQS521
      @AQS521 4 роки тому +6

      Yes, if I’m not mistaken the fertility program had issues, especially when you try more than one child.

    • @chasemathes931
      @chasemathes931 2 роки тому +1

      See I think jinn has her and Anyas kid held captive somewhere so she can be first minister. Jinn was jealous and wanted to be first minister. I think she faked anyas death. This could be another Adam fenix situation where marcus thinks Anya is dead but she isnt. Marcus thought his father was dead but wasnt. He was held captive.

  • @drewharding
    @drewharding 2 роки тому +60

    Really wish Anya was still here she and Sergeant Fenix were such a sweet looking couple rest easy Major Stroud sir you will be miss very very much by Delta squad brothers and sisters in arms 100% indeed right Gears brothers and sisters in arms if you get my point all the way indeed!

    • @diolukegil712
      @diolukegil712 7 днів тому +1

      Actress wanted her character to die

  • @BaxterAndLunala
    @BaxterAndLunala 11 днів тому +21

    While I do believe Anya would've been against the reactivation of the Hammer of Dawn, she definitely wouldn't have wanted to be buried with the Allfathers. I agree with Marcus, she'd rather want to be buried with her family.

  • @JTruong3rd
    @JTruong3rd 4 місяці тому +16

    Considering the lengths the locusts went to try and wipe out humanity its pretty clear why the hammer is needed even if its a horrific weapon, and marcus is right. It's not the weapon but who uses it.

  • @waynehoxit9782
    @waynehoxit9782 Рік тому +29

    ❤ Marcus Fenix rage can be so extreme at times when he gets pushed to far at times ❤

  • @dilutedphoenix8099
    @dilutedphoenix8099 2 роки тому +114

    Even though gears has been a downhill plummet ever since 3 I think Jin gets a little too much hate seeing as she’s just doing her job and viewing things as numbers seeing as she isn’t a soldier and she isn’t that power hungry or very narcissistic

    • @coletrain583
      @coletrain583 2 роки тому +12

      Propably Marcus was just grieving that he lost Anya. We all were.

    • @RK-zh1ib
      @RK-zh1ib 2 роки тому +20

      We should also note that Jinn was heavily traumatized by the Locust War during her childhood which had an impact on her decisions as First Minister. She sent an army and a vulture again the Fenix Family because she knows they can’t get caught easily. Plus, Outsiders keep invading her settlements and having DBs guard the settlements avoided a war with the Outsiders (prevent actual gear soldiers from getting killed)

    • @RK-zh1ib
      @RK-zh1ib Рік тому

      @@PodreyJenkin138 The Outsiders are kind of hypocrites. They want to be independent from the fascist COG yet they keep stealing resources from them. That is not actual independence. The only conclusion I see to Gears is Kait using the hive mind to free the human consciousnesses within the Swarm. This will cause the Swarm to destroy their Locust leaders and make peace with humanity.

    • @RK-zh1ib
      @RK-zh1ib Рік тому +3

      @@PodreyJenkin138 They only want to wipe humanity because it was their queen’s final and current order. Myrrah (now resurrected as Queen Reyna) has a grudge against humanity due to her life as a COG lab rat. She likely didn’t reveal the truth because she wants the Locust to fight an actual war not divided small factions (Locusts are like violent Vikings)

    • @JayV98
      @JayV98 Рік тому +7

      Downhill? Bullshit.

  • @unknown21257
    @unknown21257 2 роки тому +23

    1:14 At the end of the day Marcus Decides

  • @Xfurias
    @Xfurias 6 місяців тому +4

    Jinn being a former stranded and wanting Anya and her legacy to be on the same level of the all fathers is understandable but Marcus also has his right in believing strongly in having her buried on the Stroud Estate. Reminds me of the Karen Traviss novels.

  • @datezjackson1252
    @datezjackson1252 6 місяців тому +5

    Honestly how many people think the UIR should have kept the hammer of dawn

  • @stephenandujo729
    @stephenandujo729 Рік тому +12

    Well at least jinn wanted to repopulate planet sera with the program she was doing, unlike Prescott who abandoned the cog for almost a year.

    • @tomlinsona0704
      @tomlinsona0704 Рік тому

      He was bringing lambent samples to Adam. There were breeding programs under Prescott, young girls where given more rations than civilian men and were given hormones by age 10. Jinns breeding therapy was more humane.

    • @deldude1412
      @deldude1412 2 дні тому

      And the fact he was willing to kill his own troops who "knew too much"

  • @Jupiter.141
    @Jupiter.141 3 дні тому +3

    One thing I really like about gears 4 and 5 is the armor designs is not exaggeratedly big as compared to the previous trilogy. It makes you feel like it's a real world suit that looks every tactical

  • @random2wins570
    @random2wins570 Рік тому +9

    I swear if gears 6 doesn’t have Anya from the launch lineup of playable characters 😡

  • @AximusPrime33
    @AximusPrime33 Рік тому +18

    She killed Anya. You can't convince me otherwise.

  • @dylanmelia2052
    @dylanmelia2052 4 роки тому +18

    0:48

  • @amandeepgill5206
    @amandeepgill5206 Рік тому +14

    I like Jinn she's realistic

    • @offworlder1
      @offworlder1 10 днів тому +5

      She is a worse leader then Prescott, atleast he was suffering with the men instead of hiding in Aurora.

    • @guerillla6
      @guerillla6 4 дні тому +1

      ​@@offworlder1which proves his point lol

  • @waynehoxit9782
    @waynehoxit9782 Рік тому +7

    How strict is Marcus Fenix real or extremely

  • @datezjackson1252
    @datezjackson1252 6 місяців тому +2

    It’s not the weapon I’m afraid of it’s the people who use them

  • @B_RadS89
    @B_RadS89 День тому +1

    i wish anya was alive :(

  • @SinShadowed
    @SinShadowed 4 дні тому

    Jinn: the hammer of dawn kills people
    Marcus: the hammer doesn't kill people. People kill people

  • @waynehoxit9782
    @waynehoxit9782 Рік тому +5

    Was there a main reason Marcus Fenix Felt a lot of extreme rage at her just asking

    • @bruteunicorn1345
      @bruteunicorn1345 Рік тому +26

      Anya is a touchy subject for him. She died because she participated in Jinn's fertility program and had complications with her second child. In my opinion, Marcus is angry at her but knows she's right about the fertility program being a good thing, which only makes him more angry.

    • @joeyhuebner10
      @joeyhuebner10 Рік тому +16

      To me, it looked like Jinn was name dropping Anya to get her way with Marcus, because she knows how much he loved her. Jinn was being manipulative and Marcus said, "fuck that".

    • @mjpraetorian4386
      @mjpraetorian4386 6 місяців тому +6

      ​@joeyhuebner10 ooooooh it's not the first time she's tried to manipulate him. She's succeeded with JD, bringing both him and JD Into the COG again. But Marcus was not fooled.

    • @Elitesolider1023
      @Elitesolider1023 6 днів тому

      ​​@@bruteunicorn1345I thought that was stupid because didn't Hoffman. Lie about her being sterile to keep her out of the breeding farms Even if she was Steal, she wouldn't be anymore because of the emulsion, which caused sterilization And since the countermeasure successfully purged the infection, she should have been able to give birth regularly. So I think the whole fertility program was bullshit yet and was a cheap way to kill her Off screen.

  • @miguelangeljaja4293
    @miguelangeljaja4293 2 дні тому

    Gears 5 was perfect

  • @TheDecisionsDecision
    @TheDecisionsDecision День тому

    Marcus killed Anya with his BWC

  • @TacticalTrident7
    @TacticalTrident7 3 дні тому

    JINN the worst thing to happen to gears since the locust.

  • @Bicorn711
    @Bicorn711 9 місяців тому +5

    She is right about the Hammer tho. There should be an alternative to it. Btw doesn't the Hammer operate with Imulsion?

    • @ledzeppelinfan1001
      @ledzeppelinfan1001 7 місяців тому

      no

    • @arturvasques3376
      @arturvasques3376 5 місяців тому +1

      I thought it did
      Sunlight ain't powerful enough to power a beam

    • @manofmercy1500
      @manofmercy1500 День тому +1

      It used to, but I’d imagine that the COG initially sought (and found) an alternative fuel source for the Hammer once all the Imulsion went inert (and people finding out about its true parasitic nature).
      As for alternative weapons to replace the Hammer, with the Locust & Lambent gone there was no need to keep such weapons at all, with the Swarm only being a recent emergence by the time of the video’s conversation to warrant the idea of bringing such weapons back into the fold.

  • @brendan7704
    @brendan7704 4 дні тому +1

    They shouldn’t have killed her offscreen.

  • @alio6359
    @alio6359 4 дні тому

    2:48 wow. This is hilariously awful. There’s a soldier on the battlefield talking to you loudly over all the noise of the shooting bullets and bombs being blown up and your first response to him is SLOW DOWN!?
    Well why don’t you try being on the battlefield then

  • @assassinsknight
    @assassinsknight 5 місяців тому

    The Hammer argument is not a valid one. She would be right about keeping it offline up until the very moment the locust returned.

  • @Roadblock213
    @Roadblock213 25 днів тому +2

    Marcus already went through enough during the locus war and lost so much first losing dom then his father after that annya and then the game makes you pick between jd or del and im sorry i like del but he wasn't that important to the story imo more like comic relief and in some ways a major A$$ kisser and i personally refuse to let Marcus lose the last thing thats probably keeping him sane im sorry del it ain't personal

  • @jusjetz
    @jusjetz 29 днів тому +2

    2:09

  • @sheridansanchez9558
    @sheridansanchez9558 10 місяців тому +1

    How exactly did Anya pass away?

    • @ledzeppelinfan1001
      @ledzeppelinfan1001 7 місяців тому

      How are you this dense?

    • @sheridansanchez9558
      @sheridansanchez9558 7 місяців тому +2

      @@ledzeppelinfan1001 dumb question I know,I’ll do research

    • @arturvasques3376
      @arturvasques3376 5 місяців тому +2

      She died do to childbirth complications trying to have secund son Jinn's fertility program

    • @dhockedy1273
      @dhockedy1273 Місяць тому

      @@arturvasques3376 she lived for a while after giving birth until JD was a young child, well if the gears 4 trailer was to be believed

  • @waynehoxn8566
    @waynehoxn8566 3 роки тому +29

    Just saying Marcus Fenix has a real short temper just saying

    • @eyesdut387
      @eyesdut387 3 роки тому +49

      You ever played gears dummy?

    • @celticluna1691
      @celticluna1691 2 роки тому +11

      Just figured that out dummy?

    • @samoansilverback411
      @samoansilverback411 2 роки тому

      Djekeieieejnw dummy?

    • @steverogers7601
      @steverogers7601 2 роки тому +20

      I wouldn’t be surprised if war doesn’t fuck with you to some degree.
      Marcus Fenix has been through a lot of war.

    • @spacerow
      @spacerow 2 роки тому +23

      nah, he just knows how to assert himself and takes no shit - pretty understandable given everything he's been through

  • @Blue-xs6vp
    @Blue-xs6vp 8 годин тому

    Marcus demands Jinn to stop talking about his wife, yet she continues to do so. Very disrespectful.

  • @blackrose8418
    @blackrose8418 2 дні тому +1

    Poor writing is what killed Anya

  • @trexxzy_
    @trexxzy_ 10 місяців тому +1

    i need to know what kill anya is it cancer or is it locust kill her what is it this aint explaining nothing

    • @KattalystFr
      @KattalystFr 7 місяців тому +1

      Died during childbirth complications

    • @ledzeppelinfan1001
      @ledzeppelinfan1001 7 місяців тому

      Yes it did. you're dense as shit lmao

  • @gang6009
    @gang6009 6 місяців тому +2

    Wow this games bad 2:42
    Please slow down?
    What? Thats was the strangest thing ive ever seen
    Then she says do it go.
    Its sounds so poorly written.
    Maam were under attack
    Please slow down

  • @Shojikinaai
    @Shojikinaai Рік тому +26

    This game will forever be a stain on the franchise

    • @joshuawillis602
      @joshuawillis602 Рік тому +18

      No it won’t and never was. You’re delusional

    • @kevinfanning8027
      @kevinfanning8027 9 місяців тому +16

      ​​@@joshuawillis6024 and 5 are both awful and did the same thing Disney star wars did. Wipe away the victory of the og characters, brush them aside with inferior replacements, and bring back the same old enemy but change the name and appearance slightly

    • @joshuawillis602
      @joshuawillis602 9 місяців тому +6

      @@kevinfanning8027 that’s completely false. Anyone who never actually paid attention to the story and lore of both would ignorantly think like you do.

    • @kevinfanning8027
      @kevinfanning8027 9 місяців тому +4

      @@joshuawillis602 Locust come back but they're "the swarm" not the horde now, very original. I be they soent a lot of time on that one. Myrrah had kids apparently? With who? Pretty sure she waged a genocide on all of humanity so I doubt she was dating anyone. I get you love the series but like with halo it died after 3.

    • @joshuawillis602
      @joshuawillis602 9 місяців тому +12

      @@kevinfanning8027 the swarm are very much different from the locust. The swarm drones are created from humans. They abduct humans and place them in pods then juvies come out of those pods then those juvies go into nests and then become drones. Only the Scions are original locust but even they’re much different from before. Not only are they bigger and more durable they’re able to biologically make swarm drones stronger. Not to mention all the swarm creatures are nothing like the locust creatures from before except for maybe the Swarmak. There are snatchers and carriers and pouncers and flocks and there was that giant creature at the end of Gears 4 and the Kraken in gears 5. Myraa had a daughter before she decided to rule the locust and go underground. She had her daughter when she was still in the lab at Mount Kadar. You’re also wrong about halo too. You have the mindset of someone who can’t let go of the past.

  • @Xong217
    @Xong217 9 днів тому +2

    ngl jinn and kait are why this franchised died and had to ne resuscitated through a prequel 💀

    • @adamburke4738
      @adamburke4738 8 днів тому

      So you’re a sexist

    • @marbl3d45
      @marbl3d45 7 днів тому +2

      if you’re gonna be sexist at least spell properly

    • @GodsRighthandman
      @GodsRighthandman 5 днів тому

      idk if your, “sexist” but if it were still marcus and presscott, you could still say the same thing. its not so much about them being female, imo its just that their characters were poorly written.