On the eve of Thanksgiving i would like to thank you Brett because last year i shared your idea of putting chicken stock instead of water in the mashed potatoes and now the family thinks im a culinary genius
I know you can make this argument for almost literally every team, but the Bears have lost some crazy games: Hail Mary against Washington, blocked FG against Packers, yesterday botched the clock to at least try a FG to tie the game against Detroit.
@@lucrative6477 Its a sign of a badly coached team. At least 25 of the nfl head coaches and others would be able to lead this team to at least 7-5. With a top ten coach they could be 9-3 (flip colts, commanders, packers, vikings, lions)
I loved the line from a couple Bootlegs ago, that Eberflus is the 7th best HC in the NFC North. Getting a competent replacement for him would literally double our win total. But yeah it's flabberghasting how terrible Poles has been at building an offensive line, given that he was an offensive lineman when he was a player.
The atrocious play calling makes the OL “look” bad. They’re actually pretty average by the metrics, and would likely trend toward a top 10-12 group with competent coaches.
This is a brilliant topic. Every time I am at an adult beverage serving house and start in on this topic, I'll hear it being discussed 4 chairs and/or 4 tables away in 30 minutes or so.
As a colts fan i tried telling everyone when they were 4-3, that it was a reflection of the weak offenses (backup + injured QBs), and not a reflection of how good they were. On OCT 23 I said they would go 1-4 over the next 5 against better comp... and they did.
The Colts have never and will never dedicate themselves to protecting the QB. They finally got the idea once Luck was mentally broken and could take no more. The Colts will pick a guy with HOF potential and will force him to overcome bad O line play to succeed. This has happened all but one 4 years stretch of the last 30 years.
I'm not convinced Arch Manning Declares for the 2026 Draft. He's currently only 19 years old. He has absolutely no financial incentive to reach the NFL a year earlier. And If he declared for the 2026 draft that would only have allowed him a single year as the Starter at Texas. I think there is a better than 50% chance that he returns to Texas for the 2026 season and declares fore the 2027 draft.
Yes and no. For the individual year, no. However, every year that gets you closer to a second and third contract in the league is a LOT more money being nothing is ever guaranteed year to year in terms of health. I would still expect him to come out if he is ready
@@gwynnblade9160but that implies he’ll be good enough to get a big time deal. He could Crash out and become a backup in 4 years🤷♂️ crazier things have happened
@@ryanrostkowski4244 When you see how many chances Daniel Jones was given only due to the resources given up to get him - imagine the denial that would take place if a Manning was not successful. Peyton was liquid azz his first 5 playoff games. There has not been a bad Manning QB. Even if he was the first the NFL would give him 10 years to prove it. He'll have a long career no matter how much he sucks.
No financial incentive? I’m sorry but wtf are you smoking lol. 300+ million dollar contracts are what I would consider financial incentive. Lay off the drugs.
Note: this does not apply to the giants, as they are somehow about 7 levels below purgatory. Sure, you would think there’s only 1 tier below purgatory. But no, they and the jets are well below that.
That's basically the common factor across all of these teams. The strategies that they followed to get where they are, and the likelihood of all of them being able to pivot, basically comes down to whether ownership can get out of the way (with maaaaaybe the exception of the colts).
@@kevintrueblood1057 It's harder to win with cheap and/or meddlesome owners but ultimately that's just an excuse we use. You have good players or you don't. It's that simple. Take the Lions. William Clay Ford was a very supportive owner who stayed out of the way. But _he_ was the problem. His daughter does the same thing and she's a good owner. The only difference is the team has more good players now. Jerry Jones is a 'bad' owner yet Dallas won 3 Super Bowls. Why? Because they drafted really good players. If we're all honest team building is 90% luck.
It seems like Steichen was able to sit down with AR and truly let him learn from his mistakes in previous games rather then just being peppered with the next scouting report for the following week and it has been a game changer in his approach. I still believe in the freaky upside he has and would love to see him continue to develop. People can't forget that he really has hardly played any football in his career compared to other prospects. The talent is there.
Happy Thanksgiving everybody and also turkey sliders sound incredible and that is definitely what I'm going to make the day after Thanksgiving. I hope everybody has a great day watching football and eating lots of food.
You really need to look at the statistical breakdown on Latu vs. Verse. Verse hasn’t really done that much more on a per snap basis. Verse has played 100+ more snaps than Latu.
I think the question you have to ask re: the Colts and specifically Ballard is: Are you keeping Steichen? Forcing AR to learn a new offense when hes just barely learning the first one doesnt seem ideal, but I dont think its a good idea to replace the gm while keeping your HC either. Im a Bears fan, Ive seen what happens when you do this stuff out of order lol
I dont think poles needs to be fired yet you gotta give him a chance to draft good o line pieces. Its also something you can trade for or get in free agency and tbh they should probably do all 3. They gotta make sure they keep their contract cheap which they have been fantastic at. People also say caleb will ask for an insane amount of money but i think if he actually becomes very very good he might take a cut to keep his team good. I mean its the third biggest city in america whos never had a good qb if hes a long term guy hes gunna make so much money else where he wont need it. We will see in time but grabbing as many as 6 o linemen could be good thru any specific area. 2 in the first 2 rounds w the third to get either an edge or saftey maybe interior run stuffing guys because run defense is struggling. Cole kmets contract is coming up but hes a life long bears fan and tight end hes gunna be cheap. The bears have a lot of money to play around w. The saftey from the 49ers probably cant get paid and hell trey hendrickson could be an option. Especially if these new contract are set up intelligently to avoid dead cap if some guys needa get cut. They r looking at maybe finally getting over the hump
I love how most of the teams are like, "they need to hire the right coach and allow their cap to reset," or "they need to be more decisive about when they pay their players," or "They need to fire their lame duck coach and get a legitimate offensive mastermind." But then the Bengals, it's just like, "They need to get a new owner." Great. Sounds attainable.
Brett, you aren't a good athlete evaluator or a good schematic mind. I've watched your videos off and on for years. You're just a guy who loves football and can speak competently. Glad you have an audience so you can have a job doing something you love, but there's no extra value in listening to you versus the other tv talking heads.
Bears fans at the beginning of the season saying "this is our year" and I always responded with "I have *no* faith in Eberflus. It's not like the Bears haven't wasted young QBs before." Now Eberflus is gone (and the Bears are going to try and snipe Ben Johnson, I guess... Lion's would not like that).
Howdy! I think with these things you have to consider what teams would actually do. I have a very hard time seeing the Saints tank, especially since the owner has gone on record saying that tanking hasn't worked for other teams.
When will *that* be? After y'all admit you sided with him? Lemme explain. I'm a causal fan. Here's what I know: 1) Eberflus boasted about being involved in offensive play-calling as early as week 2 of his 1st year as HC. 2) This boast was So Effective that reporters stopped asking Getsy questions just as they didn't speak to Waldron. 3)Remember the awkward near-hug between Rodgers & Saleh of the Jets? That was nothing compared to Eberflus refusing to shake Fields' hand when Fields came to him for that on the sideline after a TD. 'Flus, the HC who should set the tone for the entire team looked at Fields like it was 1930 & this was not only legal but expected &/or Fields was a leper. 4) Fields called out his Own Coaches for messing with him in games (after weeks 6 of '22). 5) Not only did the HC nor GM even speak of launching an investigation implying they were the ones behind it, they changed all their plays for the next 4 weeks or just long enough to cover this thing up. 6) The team *averaged* 31 ppg under the new plays 7) *then voluntarily returned to calling ones that produced less than 20!* This itself would have gotten any HC fired. Can you imagine the Jets finding a way to get 2 TDs a game more out of Zach Wilson *then returning to not doing that?* & you Bears' fans just blamed Fields for *_ALL_* of this. "They had to call those terrible plays to simplify the offense for him because he holds onto the ball too long because he can't read defenses." He actually reads them at an elevated level. Brett himself proved this. While Yinzers all assumed they were doing Pickett a favor by chanting Matt Canada out of town, Bears' fans had an HC show them he was dead-set against your QB _multiple_ times with the GM showing support for him indicating he was in on it & despite that Fields managed to average 31 ppg _before_ they acquired D.J. Moore. Yet somehow y'all just invented BS to blame on him. Enjoy your 6th-rounder. It's more than you deserve. Oh & Eberflus carried out Poles' wishes to get rid of all locker-room leaders & players at key positions from before he became GM. So he's got dirt on Poles. He isn't going anywhere.
Bengals fan. I have a rule about the jersey thing. I will not get a jersey until they pay a player or(more often) if they are good immediately and then I get a few years out of it
Brett is entirely right about the Cowboys. They could have gotten Dak for $55m had he been resigned before the Burrow extention, which is still a gross number, but he's at $60m over this contract. CeeDee will be making $35m, but if he were signed before the Justin Jefferson deal, he's only at $32m a year or something similar. Micah is still on his rookie deal, but he'll make $21m in 2025 and over $35m after that. Micah probably resets the EDGE market anyway, as he'd be able to argue higher value than TJ Watt. Though, that contract is probably closer to $32m a year since Bosa's contract wouldn't have been done. It's not a whole ton, but there's $11m, which can be a solid starter at a position.
I've always maintained that the NFL draft needs to find a way to reward the teams that are able to pick up wins and put in the effort week in and week out despite their underwhelming roster. Picks going to bad teams (aka Bryce Young to the Panthers) are often wasted because the team didn't bother to prepare for their new additions at all. Luckily, Washington and Houston has done that in their re-builds, but again, the Chicago Bears and Carolina Panthers of the world continue to squander picks. Compare that to the likes of Denver's 8-9 season last year, or perhaps Seattle, or Cincinnati. These teams, especially Payton's Broncos, have made the best out of a bad situation, and therefore deserves better picks to get out of purgatory. Instead, these teams are almost punished for being good. Imagine a rebuilding team like Washington goes 10-7 this year, exceeding expectations, but with obvious holes in the roster. Sometimes the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds are filled with talent, and if you find them and develop them, cool! (I bet they wish they could've had Devaughn Vele (7th rounder) this year) But often times, you don't get that lucky, and sometimes you even regress (just ask Green Bay or Houston, who despite their winning records, are clearly trying to squeeze talent out of less resources than they had last year). There are teams out there who successfully rebuild from purgatory, but it's incredibly rare. You have to have a strong culture already, a head coach who has experience developing a roster, have a big budget (that means cutting veterans a LOT), and of course striking gold in rounds 2-4 and/or 5-7, or undrafted free agents, or on the trade deadline. This is definitely a quality I see in Pittsburgh a lot, as Tomlin has never had a losing season, but he rarely sees past the wild card round. Yet, he has sufficiently rebuilt Pittsburgh about 2.5 times. Obviously, most of that was around Ben Roethlisberger, but Tomlin led Kenny Pickett to a winning record, and has now gotten the Wilson/Fields train on track. Although again, Pittsburgh just can't escape the 9-8/10-7 seasons, so I again point to Denver as the potential next squad to rebuild from purgatory. They have never had less than 4 wins in a season, and even during Joseph and Fangio, they usually hit 5-7 wins (purgatory). In fact, for Sean to even get Bo Nix after our 8-9 year, they had to rely on the AFC being so tight that a lot more teams than usual was better than them, and so they could hang out in the top 12. Yet, they did lamd Nix, cut a whole bunch of the older players for a young bunch that Sean could develop, and they had a potentially generational draft. Time will tell if Denver will survive the rebuild or fall back down, but for now they seem to be headed toward a 10-7 season despite cap hell and a thin roster. Anyways, what would I propose for the draft? I would either say alternate between good and bad teams (even picks could be the purgatory teams while odd picks could be the 1-4 win teams), or I say you run the first 15 picks backwards, which I think is fair. You don't want to make it easy for the Kansas City Chiefs of the world to keep stacking, but you want Cincinnati and Seattle to escape purgatory, and that's how you do it.
I was a big Ballard supporter for years but the last two years it’s undeniable, he is a huge issue. He’s consistently signed the wrong players in free agency just to save 1-2 million. Always has great draft picks for a season or two and then they fall off a cliff. Every season he leaves a glaring weakness alone. LT w. Lavaren Clark one year. WRs, CBs and this year was Oline depth. But who could be a good replacement GM? You always hear about good OCs and DCs who can be HCs but you never hear about upcoming GMs besides when they showing Peyton manning lol
There's a team you haven't mentioned that I'd like you to talk about for their own type of purgatory, the Steelers. It wasn't that long ago there was chatter about whether they should get rid of their coach because they're getting to 500, but almost always nothing else.
A lot of shifts in the right direction this year for the bears. They need a good head coach and a shift in culture. They still need o linemen. The NFC has great coaches making the division tough as it is.
I'm not sure it is that hard in the NFL. In the NBA, yes, because the best players _overwhelmingly_ go in the top 3. But in the NFL there are SO many franchise changers outside the top 3-5 picks and even IF you nail your top 3 pick -- which is like 50/50 -- you still need 21 other guys. In the NFL _every_ team is one draft away. Case in point New Orleans had pick 11 in 2017 and Seattle pick 15 in 2012.
Another problem the bengals has is tee is gone. I’ve watched every game this Season the offense is mid to high Tier without tee and elite with him. The second option without tee is limited Andrei is solid option and Jermaine Burton is not in the mental state to be elite wideout even though he has all the talent to be one. I hope we draft a receiver in the 2nd round or pick one up in free agency(will never happen) cause without tee we are not the same offense.
Can we please take the astrick off of Jacksonville? They're playing Jacksonville in Jacksonville, where the Colts haven't won in a decade. That should have been expected.
One and done teams are included in the purgatory conversation. Other Purgatory teams don’t make the playoffs. The 5-8 win seasons are the hotbed for NFL purgatory
After watching my Dolphins get schooled by Green Bay last night, I'd add them to this category to along with my Cowboys. Probably the worst place to be lol I wrote this sentence before Brett mentioned they almost put Miami here. I can safely say after last night they could be there
😂😂 sorry - I really do love you guys and your content but did you just predict that the Dolphins will make the playoffs!? It gets colder as the season goes on and that team, not just Tua, do not perform well late in the season or in cold weather. Appreciate the video, excited to listen
Saints gotta go the packers route while they have Carr. He’s a bridge QB but for how long? Find a first round QB they actually believe in, sit him for 3 years or whatever and stack other draft picks around him before moving on from Carr
Strongly disagree with the Latu take. I think the issue right now with Latu vs Verse is the scheme and the blitzing. In other words, the colts don’t. I think Latu could be SO much better with just a few blitzes a game
Bengals front office IS the problem. Everyone knew the defensive roster was terrible before the season started. They did nothing but add rookies. They removed leadership from the locker room. On the offensive side the did not sign Jamar which screwed up training camp and the beginning of the season. I wish the head coach play called more aggressively but over all a good coach. Who Dey! (I did not renew my season tickets because I know they will NEVER change.).
I am a 25-year-old adult that has not been able to go to a Colts playoff game because they haven't won the division to host one since I was in middle school. Arguably the worst division in football. It suckkks man
I don't know why anyone under say.. 30 would be into the Colts. Most of us showed up as locals who said "we'll go watch Peyton Manning" and got into that way. You guys have had no reason to support the team. None.
@colinburroughs9871 i mean i was still able to watch like 7 years of Peyton Manning in a Colts uniform. I got to stand in his locker in Lucas Oil when it was opening. I still made those childhood attachments before everything went to sh-t
Lost all credibility when i heard Bears should have won against the Vikings - why ? because they had 90 seconds where every unpossible thing went the right way ? ...come on man
Saints cannot trade Olave… he’s on a rookie contract and if they do get Arch you need some talent around him or you will end up like the Patriots around Maye
I would like to announce that the Panthers are having the decade season turn around where they make the playoffs then go to the Super Bowl the next year, 5-1 these next 6 weeks and a wildcard loss for the panthers this year!!
If it was Poles choice to keep Flus instead of ownership forcing him to retain that dumbass he should absolutely be fired. Between that and neglecting the Oline he has not put Caleb in a position to develop year 1, thats completely unforgivable. They even have an in-house replacement with Cunningham if they want to go that route
@@timedell2012 What makes you say that? Its been 1.5 years and he hasnt even figured out the location of the stadium yet, as far as I know he hasnt done a single thing so I dont know what hell do (but it will probably be stupid because the Bears hired him)
Brett I think you are wrong about the Bears and Caleb. The Bears need a complete organizational tear down like the Lions did and i would not put them in the middling just average football team. This franchise is now the NFCs version of the Cleveland Browns. Caleb needs to be sent somewhere else for draft picks and we have a complete regime change. I am not saying we need an ownership change because that is futile. But the Bears need to rip down the entire house and rebuild and that means getting rid of Caleb, moore and a bunch of other talented pieces.
I didn’t know you could’ve been even more wrong about the team. They fucked up our head coach but the front office when it comes to drafting and signing players is good
@@MustacheDLuffy They hired these idiots waldron and Eberflus. I will give you that they are better at contracts. But this is a team that needs a complete roster and front office tear down. And yes Caleb and others great players but this is a terrible regime and culture and in order to fix that you have to clean house and that even means people who are not part of the problem, but everyone has a hand in this screwup.
Trey is not really worth top edge money, really dig into the stats and see when and vs who he gets his sacks, but they really don’t have a lot of options
Im going to argue the vikings are in nfl purgatory even if they make the playoffs they never are good enough to make the super bowl let alone the conference championship. Also pick 7-20 for the last 20 years of the draft. Good enough to make the playoffs but not do anything is also purgatory
I just don't buy "Cap Jail" as a real thing anymore. I used to shake my head at the Saints as people claimed they're in Cap Hell for years with Brees and nothing ever came of it. They claimed they still were when he retired, and then they signed Carr for +40M?? And now we're saying to get out of "Cap Jail" they just need to cut a few older vets that are underperforming...aka what every team does at any reasonable opportunity. I just don't see the Cap take any practical effect. Again with the Saints, if Carr was simply consistently good, they would be in fine shape as a team. The Cap is more of a booking tool. I see what teams spend as more of an expression of ownership and what they're willing to spend (to a point) to maintain their idea of a healthy competitive:profitable ratio
THEIR TEs SUCK ! lol Colts do have nice players in Downs, Latu, Brents and Mitchell though. Those were all guys I was hyped for in the past 2 drafts. GM knows what he’s doing. Probably more a coaching issue and putting their skillsets in prime positions.
Colts linebacker room is genuinely a problem in a bad way … both Zaire and Ej are top 15 in missed tackles ( Zaire 14th, EJ #1!) it’s awful watching them lead the group. Most definitely get Gus and Ballard a first class flight out of Indy come February.
@ in pass coverage they are horrendous. In the run game they are pretty bad. In over 4000+ defensive snaps in the past two years, Zaire has 6 TFL and 1 int… and Ej is consistently having dumb penalties, horrible run fits, missed tackles galore. Only props I’ll give them is occasionally on 3rd or 4th and 1 or less they make some stops sometimes and Zaire can really lay the stick I’ve seen bro knock dudes out of games lmao but the bad is so much worse than the better. They are asked of a lot in this defense to cover a lot of ground but they are absolutely not fit for the job. The fact that they have over 40 missed tackles combined this season and probably an insane amount of pass yards allowed so far, it’s really killing this team as is a dysfunctional offense. Corners or the play calling gets really awful on 3rd and way long and it still gets converted like howww? Colts have the 4th worst 3rd down defense in the nfl this year
Another obstacle for the Bears is garbage ownership. We're nevee getting a top tier Coach b/c that costs money and they hoard that more than Scrooge McDuck
man couldnt agree with u more about saints.....carr,jordan,ramzek goneeee, rebuild and cut few more aging players and play for 2026....its a no brainer...get out of cap hell is priority
Oh my god every week you guys do a segment NOT including the seahawks: you do playoff teams the week before theyre in the playoffs, now you do purgatory teams once they actually make it, can you PLEASE just talk about this team ONE TIME since week 3?????
What they are unwilling to do is guarantees, because that money has to set aside upfront, and Brown-like the Raiders and totally unlike the Cowboys-doesn’t have a couple hundred million in spare cash laying around to put in escrow. The franchise value or the cap don’t come into play. One of the very few smart things Davis has done is selling off parts of the franchise. That will give him the ready cash he needs. Unfortunately for the Bengals, I don’t think Brown can bring himself to sell part of his dad’s team.
I escaped it by not watching. This year just became too much. It is all ads, refs, and Swift. The referees are on the screen during primetime more than the QBs. No thanks. I have better things to do with my time and money beside watch Ron Torbert and his buddies throw 25 flags a game. The amount of times I have seen a 3-5 minute huddle just to pick up a flag this season is an all time high. Get off my TV refs. They got the Rams out of purgatory in 2018 nobody can deny that.
Saints invented purgatory
You misspelled *Bears
Catholics*
@@kevindeangelis3159 The Saints are more purgatory then the Bears because they kept the sáme GM for like 20 years and refuse to trade their players
ba dum tiss
Pretty ironic with their name lol.
On the eve of Thanksgiving i would like to thank you Brett because last year i shared your idea of putting chicken stock instead of water in the mashed potatoes and now the family thinks im a culinary genius
it's delicious!
Typically milk not water no?
I actually tried this for the first time this last weekend when I made shepherd's pie and it was a massive hit.
The tip was to boil the potatoes in stock not water
Gross. 👎
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The Colts have MADE IT to the Bootleg podcast! 🎉
Not for the reason we want tho. Why does this team feel so much worse than last year vibes wise
@@Aaron-dw4frnot bad but underwhelming. We good on paper but not enough juice 😅
“Their floor is 8 wins” - Brett about the bears not even 3 months ago
They probably should be there right now.
“NFL prediction was wrong” wow, what a shocker. Not like that ever happens.
I know you can make this argument for almost literally every team, but the Bears have lost some crazy games: Hail Mary against Washington, blocked FG against Packers, yesterday botched the clock to at least try a FG to tie the game against Detroit.
@ choking 3 times is the sign of a bad team, not a good one. You aren’t making much sense.
@@lucrative6477 Its a sign of a badly coached team. At least 25 of the nfl head coaches and others would be able to lead this team to at least 7-5. With a top ten coach they could be 9-3 (flip colts, commanders, packers, vikings, lions)
I loved the line from a couple Bootlegs ago, that Eberflus is the 7th best HC in the NFC North. Getting a competent replacement for him would literally double our win total.
But yeah it's flabberghasting how terrible Poles has been at building an offensive line, given that he was an offensive lineman when he was a player.
Their OL is average in pass protection this year, if you go by PFF and ESPN rankings. I don’t really understand why people think the OL is so bad
The atrocious play calling makes the OL “look” bad. They’re actually pretty average by the metrics, and would likely trend toward a top 10-12 group with competent coaches.
Poles was a bad offensive linemen tho. Why would you assume a failed linemen knows how to build a line?
It’s hilarious that this comment was made before yesterday happened
@@RekchaIt’s bad because most bears fans want to blame something on the general manager
This is a brilliant topic. Every time I am at an adult beverage serving house and start in on this topic, I'll hear it being discussed 4 chairs and/or 4 tables away in 30 minutes or so.
As a colts fan i tried telling everyone when they were 4-3, that it was a reflection of the weak offenses (backup + injured QBs), and not a reflection of how good they were. On OCT 23 I said they would go 1-4 over the next 5 against better comp... and they did.
The Colts have never and will never dedicate themselves to protecting the QB. They finally got the idea once Luck was mentally broken and could take no more. The Colts will pick a guy with HOF potential and will force him to overcome bad O line play to succeed.
This has happened all but one 4 years stretch of the last 30 years.
@@angrydrunkengerman2819You very clearly know nothing about the colts because they currently have one of the best O lines in the NFL.
@NouhhhhhhSoSa run blocking, yes, but they're middling in pass pro unfortunately. Even when fully healthy
I'm not convinced Arch Manning Declares for the 2026 Draft. He's currently only 19 years old. He has absolutely no financial incentive to reach the NFL a year earlier. And If he declared for the 2026 draft that would only have allowed him a single year as the Starter at Texas. I think there is a better than 50% chance that he returns to Texas for the 2026 season and declares fore the 2027 draft.
Yes and no. For the individual year, no. However, every year that gets you closer to a second and third contract in the league is a LOT more money being nothing is ever guaranteed year to year in terms of health. I would still expect him to come out if he is ready
@@gwynnblade9160but that implies he’ll be good enough to get a big time deal. He could
Crash out and become a backup in 4 years🤷♂️ crazier things have happened
@@ryanrostkowski4244 When you see how many chances Daniel Jones was given only due to the resources given up to get him - imagine the denial that would take place if a Manning was not successful. Peyton was liquid azz his first 5 playoff games. There has not been a bad Manning QB.
Even if he was the first the NFL would give him 10 years to prove it. He'll have a long career no matter how much he sucks.
No financial incentive? I’m sorry but wtf are you smoking lol. 300+ million dollar contracts are what I would consider financial incentive. Lay off the drugs.
Note: this does not apply to the giants, as they are somehow about 7 levels below purgatory. Sure, you would think there’s only 1 tier below purgatory. But no, they and the jets are well below that.
Below purgatory would imply good pick, which would improve the team. I think you mean 7 levels inside purgatory?
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Luckily for the giants they are on track to get a good pick
I would argue that most NFL teams cant get out of NFL purgatory due Bad ownership. Especially so for Teams like the Raiders, Saints, and Giants
Some NFL teams aren't really NFL teams. They're just the owner's personal welfare schemes, and it shows.
That's basically the common factor across all of these teams. The strategies that they followed to get where they are, and the likelihood of all of them being able to pivot, basically comes down to whether ownership can get out of the way (with maaaaaybe the exception of the colts).
@@kevintrueblood1057 It's harder to win with cheap and/or meddlesome owners but ultimately that's just an excuse we use.
You have good players or you don't. It's that simple.
Take the Lions. William Clay Ford was a very supportive owner who stayed out of the way. But _he_ was the problem. His daughter does the same thing and she's a good owner. The only difference is the team has more good players now.
Jerry Jones is a 'bad' owner yet Dallas won 3 Super Bowls. Why? Because they drafted really good players.
If we're all honest team building is 90% luck.
3 things are certain in life: Death, Taxes, and Mickey Loomis being the Saints GM
It seems like Steichen was able to sit down with AR and truly let him learn from his mistakes in previous games rather then just being peppered with the next scouting report for the following week and it has been a game changer in his approach. I still believe in the freaky upside he has and would love to see him continue to develop. People can't forget that he really has hardly played any football in his career compared to other prospects. The talent is there.
The Jones Family. The Brown Family. The McCaskey Family. The Irsay Family. The problems begin with these organizations here.
and they arent going away because... nepotism
No matter what reasons you give for why they suck, it always comes back to ownership.
This is the actual problem that they couldn’t say
The Chicago Bears are just a source of depression, alcoholism and domestic violence as always BUT with a QB
Drinking town with a football problem!
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You are missing the Vikings / cowboys tier in the middle. The “you can have 14 wins and everyone knows you will still choke” tier.
Love this pod, happy Thanksgiving!
damn the jets aren't even good enough to make this list 😭
As a falcons fan I’ve had nightmares of the saints getting Arch
Happy Thanksgiving everybody and also turkey sliders sound incredible and that is definitely what I'm going to make the day after Thanksgiving. I hope everybody has a great day watching football and eating lots of food.
Mahomes was drafted in the purgatory zone, there is always hope.
You really need to look at the statistical breakdown on Latu vs. Verse. Verse hasn’t really done that much more on a per snap basis.
Verse has played 100+ more snaps than Latu.
You say that like it’s a good thing. Playing 100 more snaps means you are better.
I think the question you have to ask re: the Colts and specifically Ballard is: Are you keeping Steichen? Forcing AR to learn a new offense when hes just barely learning the first one doesnt seem ideal, but I dont think its a good idea to replace the gm while keeping your HC either. Im a Bears fan, Ive seen what happens when you do this stuff out of order lol
@@nblaw95 i don't think we're keeping Ballard to even be able to ask that question...
I dont think poles needs to be fired yet you gotta give him a chance to draft good o line pieces. Its also something you can trade for or get in free agency and tbh they should probably do all 3. They gotta make sure they keep their contract cheap which they have been fantastic at. People also say caleb will ask for an insane amount of money but i think if he actually becomes very very good he might take a cut to keep his team good. I mean its the third biggest city in america whos never had a good qb if hes a long term guy hes gunna make so much money else where he wont need it. We will see in time but grabbing as many as 6 o linemen could be good thru any specific area. 2 in the first 2 rounds w the third to get either an edge or saftey maybe interior run stuffing guys because run defense is struggling. Cole kmets contract is coming up but hes a life long bears fan and tight end hes gunna be cheap. The bears have a lot of money to play around w. The saftey from the 49ers probably cant get paid and hell trey hendrickson could be an option. Especially if these new contract are set up intelligently to avoid dead cap if some guys needa get cut. They r looking at maybe finally getting over the hump
Watching this after tonight's game and i have one thought: bears gonna bear
I love how most of the teams are like, "they need to hire the right coach and allow their cap to reset," or "they need to be more decisive about when they pay their players," or "They need to fire their lame duck coach and get a legitimate offensive mastermind." But then the Bengals, it's just like, "They need to get a new owner."
Great. Sounds attainable.
I am slightly optimistic that the owner gets a little more aggressive because of how much they spent on Burrow.
The Lions were in that area till Shelia. The bears and browns are there right now where they need a new owner
Brett, you aren't a good athlete evaluator or a good schematic mind. I've watched your videos off and on for years. You're just a guy who loves football and can speak competently. Glad you have an audience so you can have a job doing something you love, but there's no extra value in listening to you versus the other tv talking heads.
Bears fans at the beginning of the season saying "this is our year" and I always responded with "I have *no* faith in Eberflus. It's not like the Bears haven't wasted young QBs before." Now Eberflus is gone (and the Bears are going to try and snipe Ben Johnson, I guess... Lion's would not like that).
Great Video
Colts fan for 20 years... we've been in purgatory for WAY TOO LONG😮💨😂
“You can’t kill what’s already dead” on the Chicago bears. Sir you clearly haven’t played enough D&D
Well you can desecrate the dead I had the barbarian cut off enemy's head just to see how much damage am I spell did to said enemy
Raiders bustin out of purgatory this year
Busting out straight to the bottom lol
Just watch them draft a qb who turns out to be mid while the other guy they could have had becomes a stud. It's the raider way
THERE IS NO ESCAPE
Howdy! I think with these things you have to consider what teams would actually do. I have a very hard time seeing the Saints tank, especially since the owner has gone on record saying that tanking hasn't worked for other teams.
The Bears will improve exponentially ocne they get rid of Eberflose.
When will *that* be? After y'all admit you sided with him? Lemme explain. I'm a causal fan. Here's what I know: 1) Eberflus boasted about being involved in offensive play-calling as early as week 2 of his 1st year as HC. 2) This boast was So Effective that reporters stopped asking Getsy questions just as they didn't speak to Waldron.
3)Remember the awkward near-hug between Rodgers & Saleh of the Jets? That was nothing compared to Eberflus refusing to shake Fields' hand when Fields came to him for that on the sideline after a TD. 'Flus, the HC who should set the tone for the entire team looked at Fields like it was 1930 & this was not only legal but expected &/or Fields was a leper.
4) Fields called out his Own Coaches for messing with him in games (after weeks 6 of '22). 5) Not only did the HC nor GM even speak of launching an investigation implying they were the ones behind it, they changed all their plays for the next 4 weeks or just long enough to cover this thing up.
6) The team *averaged* 31 ppg under the new plays 7) *then voluntarily returned to calling ones that produced less than 20!*
This itself would have gotten any HC fired. Can you imagine the Jets finding a way to get 2 TDs a game more out of Zach Wilson *then returning to not doing that?*
& you Bears' fans just blamed Fields for *_ALL_* of this. "They had to call those terrible plays to simplify the offense for him because he holds onto the ball too long because he can't read defenses." He actually reads them at an elevated level. Brett himself proved this.
While Yinzers all assumed they were doing Pickett a favor by chanting Matt Canada out of town, Bears' fans had an HC show them he was dead-set against your QB _multiple_ times with the GM showing support for him indicating he was in on it & despite that Fields managed to average 31 ppg _before_ they acquired D.J. Moore. Yet somehow y'all just invented BS to blame on him.
Enjoy your 6th-rounder. It's more than you deserve. Oh & Eberflus carried out Poles' wishes to get rid of all locker-room leaders & players at key positions from before he became GM. So he's got dirt on Poles.
He isn't going anywhere.
@@ChewsCarefully Ok
This didn't age well.
Bengals fan. I have a rule about the jersey thing. I will not get a jersey until they pay a player or(more often) if they are good immediately and then I get a few years out of it
Brett is entirely right about the Cowboys. They could have gotten Dak for $55m had he been resigned before the Burrow extention, which is still a gross number, but he's at $60m over this contract. CeeDee will be making $35m, but if he were signed before the Justin Jefferson deal, he's only at $32m a year or something similar. Micah is still on his rookie deal, but he'll make $21m in 2025 and over $35m after that. Micah probably resets the EDGE market anyway, as he'd be able to argue higher value than TJ Watt. Though, that contract is probably closer to $32m a year since Bosa's contract wouldn't have been done. It's not a whole ton, but there's $11m, which can be a solid starter at a position.
I've always maintained that the NFL draft needs to find a way to reward the teams that are able to pick up wins and put in the effort week in and week out despite their underwhelming roster.
Picks going to bad teams (aka Bryce Young to the Panthers) are often wasted because the team didn't bother to prepare for their new additions at all. Luckily, Washington and Houston has done that in their re-builds, but again, the Chicago Bears and Carolina Panthers of the world continue to squander picks.
Compare that to the likes of Denver's 8-9 season last year, or perhaps Seattle, or Cincinnati. These teams, especially Payton's Broncos, have made the best out of a bad situation, and therefore deserves better picks to get out of purgatory.
Instead, these teams are almost punished for being good. Imagine a rebuilding team like Washington goes 10-7 this year, exceeding expectations, but with obvious holes in the roster.
Sometimes the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds are filled with talent, and if you find them and develop them, cool! (I bet they wish they could've had Devaughn Vele (7th rounder) this year) But often times, you don't get that lucky, and sometimes you even regress (just ask Green Bay or Houston, who despite their winning records, are clearly trying to squeeze talent out of less resources than they had last year).
There are teams out there who successfully rebuild from purgatory, but it's incredibly rare. You have to have a strong culture already, a head coach who has experience developing a roster, have a big budget (that means cutting veterans a LOT), and of course striking gold in rounds 2-4 and/or 5-7, or undrafted free agents, or on the trade deadline. This is definitely a quality I see in Pittsburgh a lot, as Tomlin has never had a losing season, but he rarely sees past the wild card round. Yet, he has sufficiently rebuilt Pittsburgh about 2.5 times. Obviously, most of that was around Ben Roethlisberger, but Tomlin led Kenny Pickett to a winning record, and has now gotten the Wilson/Fields train on track. Although again, Pittsburgh just can't escape the 9-8/10-7 seasons, so I again point to Denver as the potential next squad to rebuild from purgatory. They have never had less than 4 wins in a season, and even during Joseph and Fangio, they usually hit 5-7 wins (purgatory). In fact, for Sean to even get Bo Nix after our 8-9 year, they had to rely on the AFC being so tight that a lot more teams than usual was better than them, and so they could hang out in the top 12. Yet, they did lamd Nix, cut a whole bunch of the older players for a young bunch that Sean could develop, and they had a potentially generational draft. Time will tell if Denver will survive the rebuild or fall back down, but for now they seem to be headed toward a 10-7 season despite cap hell and a thin roster.
Anyways, what would I propose for the draft? I would either say alternate between good and bad teams (even picks could be the purgatory teams while odd picks could be the 1-4 win teams), or I say you run the first 15 picks backwards, which I think is fair. You don't want to make it easy for the Kansas City Chiefs of the world to keep stacking, but you want Cincinnati and Seattle to escape purgatory, and that's how you do it.
NFL purgatory extends teams that regularly make the playoffs, but aren’t good enough to make far. These teams are the Steelers, Cowboys and Vikings
I was a big Ballard supporter for years but the last two years it’s undeniable, he is a huge issue. He’s consistently signed the wrong players in free agency just to save 1-2 million. Always has great draft picks for a season or two and then they fall off a cliff. Every season he leaves a glaring weakness alone. LT w. Lavaren Clark one year. WRs, CBs and this year was Oline depth. But who could be a good replacement GM? You always hear about good OCs and DCs who can be HCs but you never hear about upcoming GMs besides when they showing Peyton manning lol
You can sum up dallas in two words... Jerry Jones
There's a team you haven't mentioned that I'd like you to talk about for their own type of purgatory, the Steelers. It wasn't that long ago there was chatter about whether they should get rid of their coach because they're getting to 500, but almost always nothing else.
The Marvin lewis effect a moderately successful coach but only gets you to a certain point
Madden approach lmao blow up everything of value and hope to mail the draft and find coaching easier said than done but 9-7 every year is hell
A lot of shifts in the right direction this year for the bears. They need a good head coach and a shift in culture. They still need o linemen. The NFC has great coaches making the division tough as it is.
Falcons - Haven't had a consistent pass rush since John Abraham
Where to find the underdog picks from Bootleg
I'm not sure it is that hard in the NFL. In the NBA, yes, because the best players _overwhelmingly_ go in the top 3.
But in the NFL there are SO many franchise changers outside the top 3-5 picks and even IF you nail your top 3 pick -- which is like 50/50 -- you still need 21 other guys.
In the NFL _every_ team is one draft away.
Case in point New Orleans had pick 11 in 2017 and Seattle pick 15 in 2012.
Another problem the bengals has is tee is gone. I’ve watched every game this Season the offense is mid to high Tier without tee and elite with him. The second option without tee is limited Andrei is solid option and Jermaine Burton is not in the mental state to be elite wideout even though he has all the talent to be one. I hope we draft a receiver in the 2nd round or pick one up in free agency(will never happen) cause without tee we are not the same offense.
as a vikings fan i know that zone all too well
Our tight ends suck because our GM prefers traits and potential over ACTUAL ABILITY.
Can we please take the astrick off of Jacksonville? They're playing Jacksonville in Jacksonville, where the Colts haven't won in a decade. That should have been expected.
Arch isn’t coming out after only 1 full year as the starter. If he does we’re looking at another Bryce Young
So what does howie roseman do?
Is there any difference between the Purgatory teams and one-and-done Playoff teams (Dolphins / Falcons / Seahawks / Cardinals)?
Nope
One and done teams are included in the purgatory conversation. Other Purgatory teams don’t make the playoffs. The 5-8 win seasons are the hotbed for NFL purgatory
Olave to the chargers ⚡️what kind of compensation would that look like?
After watching my Dolphins get schooled by Green Bay last night, I'd add them to this category to along with my Cowboys. Probably the worst place to be lol
I wrote this sentence before Brett mentioned they almost put Miami here. I can safely say after last night they could be there
Jets are also in purgatory but they aren’t getting an easy out.
Look as a packers fan I think Caleb has the talent to be a top 5 QB. I look forward to seeing how the bears completely squander him.
The bengals let defensive guys go in order to invest on the offensive line. Everyone seems to ignore that
😂😂 sorry - I really do love you guys and your content but did you just predict that the Dolphins will make the playoffs!? It gets colder as the season goes on and that team, not just Tua, do not perform well late in the season or in cold weather. Appreciate the video, excited to listen
Saints gotta go the packers route while they have Carr. He’s a bridge QB but for how long? Find a first round QB they actually believe in, sit him for 3 years or whatever and stack other draft picks around him before moving on from Carr
Strongly disagree with the Latu take. I think the issue right now with Latu vs Verse is the scheme and the blitzing. In other words, the colts don’t. I think Latu could be SO much better with just a few blitzes a game
Bengals front office IS the problem. Everyone knew the defensive roster was terrible before the season started. They did nothing but add rookies. They removed leadership from the locker room. On the offensive side the did not sign Jamar which screwed up training camp and the beginning of the season. I wish the head coach play called more aggressively but over all a good coach. Who Dey! (I did not renew my season tickets because I know they will NEVER change.).
I am a 25-year-old adult that has not been able to go to a Colts playoff game because they haven't won the division to host one since I was in middle school. Arguably the worst division in football. It suckkks man
I don't know why anyone under say.. 30 would be into the Colts. Most of us showed up as locals who said "we'll go watch Peyton Manning" and got into that way. You guys have had no reason to support the team. None.
@colinburroughs9871 i mean i was still able to watch like 7 years of Peyton Manning in a Colts uniform. I got to stand in his locker in Lucas Oil when it was opening. I still made those childhood attachments before everything went to sh-t
Lost all credibility when i heard Bears should have won against the Vikings - why ? because they had 90 seconds where every unpossible thing went the right way ? ...come on man
Happy to see you call out Ryan Poles for his nonsense.
What nonsense?
@ oline
Soooo.....with Eberflus gone now, what do Da Bears do now? Curious to see what you guys think
#samuraipandasports #wlyr93
Saints cannot trade Olave… he’s on a rookie contract and if they do get Arch you need some talent around him or you will end up like the Patriots around Maye
I would like to announce that the Panthers are having the decade season turn around where they make the playoffs then go to the Super Bowl the next year, 5-1 these next 6 weeks and a wildcard loss for the panthers this year!!
Bengals: “just stop being poor”
I hope the Saints don’t just do one 180, but two 180s in the 2025 offseason.
the 100M$ question
Farch for Arch
Poles isn’t getting fired!!
If it was Poles choice to keep Flus instead of ownership forcing him to retain that dumbass he should absolutely be fired. Between that and neglecting the Oline he has not put Caleb in a position to develop year 1, thats completely unforgivable. They even have an in-house replacement with Cunningham if they want to go that route
@ Warren will not fire Poles
@@timedell2012 What makes you say that? Its been 1.5 years and he hasnt even figured out the location of the stadium yet, as far as I know he hasnt done a single thing so I dont know what hell do (but it will probably be stupid because the Bears hired him)
Brett I think you are wrong about the Bears and Caleb. The Bears need a complete organizational tear down like the Lions did and i would not put them in the middling just average football team. This franchise is now the NFCs version of the Cleveland Browns. Caleb needs to be sent somewhere else for draft picks and we have a complete regime change. I am not saying we need an ownership change because that is futile. But the Bears need to rip down the entire house and rebuild and that means getting rid of Caleb, moore and a bunch of other talented pieces.
I didn’t know you could’ve been even more wrong about the team. They fucked up our head coach but the front office when it comes to drafting and signing players is good
@@MustacheDLuffy They hired these idiots waldron and Eberflus. I will give you that they are better at contracts. But this is a team that needs a complete roster and front office tear down. And yes Caleb and others great players but this is a terrible regime and culture and in order to fix that you have to clean house and that even means people who are not part of the problem, but everyone has a hand in this screwup.
Trey is not really worth top edge money, really dig into the stats and see when and vs who he gets his sacks, but they really don’t have a lot of options
Im going to argue the vikings are in nfl purgatory even if they make the playoffs they never are good enough to make the super bowl let alone the conference championship. Also pick 7-20 for the last 20 years of the draft. Good enough to make the playoffs but not do anything is also purgatory
The 3 NFC west teams that don't make the playoffs will likely end up in this group.
I just don't buy "Cap Jail" as a real thing anymore. I used to shake my head at the Saints as people claimed they're in Cap Hell for years with Brees and nothing ever came of it. They claimed they still were when he retired, and then they signed Carr for +40M?? And now we're saying to get out of "Cap Jail" they just need to cut a few older vets that are underperforming...aka what every team does at any reasonable opportunity. I just don't see the Cap take any practical effect. Again with the Saints, if Carr was simply consistently good, they would be in fine shape as a team. The Cap is more of a booking tool. I see what teams spend as more of an expression of ownership and what they're willing to spend (to a point) to maintain their idea of a healthy competitive:profitable ratio
Cowboys are Imperial Japan
i’m a lifelong Saints fan… they will not do that and we will continue to be mid.
*as long as Mickey Loomis is GM* he will continue to “look past the results” like all the best teams apparently do😅
THEIR TEs SUCK ! lol
Colts do have nice players in Downs, Latu, Brents and Mitchell though. Those were all guys I was hyped for in the past 2 drafts. GM knows what he’s doing. Probably more a coaching issue and putting their skillsets in prime positions.
Colts linebacker room is genuinely a problem in a bad way … both Zaire and Ej are top 15 in missed tackles ( Zaire 14th, EJ #1!) it’s awful watching them lead the group. Most definitely get Gus and Ballard a first class flight out of Indy come February.
Leonard's back injuries really screwed that side of the ball. He was such a force it elevated everyone around
@ very true. I like Carlies the rookie, pretty decent in pass coverage. They still lack a real playmaker and force at LB .
Franklin and Speed are terrible. These guys don’t know what they are talking about.
@ in pass coverage they are horrendous. In the run game they are pretty bad. In over 4000+ defensive snaps in the past two years, Zaire has 6 TFL and 1 int… and Ej is consistently having dumb penalties, horrible run fits, missed tackles galore. Only props I’ll give them is occasionally on 3rd or 4th and 1 or less they make some stops sometimes and Zaire can really lay the stick I’ve seen bro knock dudes out of games lmao but the bad is so much worse than the better. They are asked of a lot in this defense to cover a lot of ground but they are absolutely not fit for the job. The fact that they have over 40 missed tackles combined this season and probably an insane amount of pass yards allowed so far, it’s really killing this team as is a dysfunctional offense. Corners or the play calling gets really awful on 3rd and way long and it still gets converted like howww? Colts have the 4th worst 3rd down defense in the nfl this year
For the Colts it must be the coaching right? They should be good on paper but dammit this is maddening 😅
Literally just a saints video 😂
Another obstacle for the Bears is garbage ownership. We're nevee getting a top tier Coach b/c that costs money and they hoard that more than Scrooge McDuck
bengals fan - scared
Da bears are never gonna let never gonna let me down me down Da bears are never gonna let never gonna let me down 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 #SoB same old bears 😂😂😂😂😂
no raiders?
man couldnt agree with u more about saints.....carr,jordan,ramzek goneeee, rebuild and cut few more aging players and play for 2026....its a no brainer...get out of cap hell is priority
The Jacksonville fan-base is in hell. No salvation in sight! :D
Oh my god every week you guys do a segment NOT including the seahawks: you do playoff teams the week before theyre in the playoffs, now you do purgatory teams once they actually make it, can you PLEASE just talk about this team ONE TIME since week 3?????
One could argue that not talking about them, and therefore cursing them, is the reason they are leading the division now 😅
@ you know what yall right, ill shut my ass up 😭
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Not having to watch the Bengals suck ass was another great reason to leave Ohio.
Why the fuck did I have to move here I hate my life
Dolphins are a soft ass football team
Bears are objectively "Bottom 8"
For all intents and purposes, not really.
Objectively? By what metrics lmao?
I regret to inform whoever made the thumbnail that this is a channel about football
9ers should be on here
They made the Superbowl last year. The teams on this list would be lucky to get a wildcard exit.
Very lazy on the bungles. They spend near the cap like all the other teams.
What they are unwilling to do is guarantees, because that money has to set aside upfront, and Brown-like the Raiders and totally unlike the Cowboys-doesn’t have a couple hundred million in spare cash laying around to put in escrow. The franchise value or the cap don’t come into play. One of the very few smart things Davis has done is selling off parts of the franchise. That will give him the ready cash he needs. Unfortunately for the Bengals, I don’t think Brown can bring himself to sell part of his dad’s team.
I escaped it by not watching. This year just became too much. It is all ads, refs, and Swift. The referees are on the screen during primetime more than the QBs. No thanks. I have better things to do with my time and money beside watch Ron Torbert and his buddies throw 25 flags a game. The amount of times I have seen a 3-5 minute huddle just to pick up a flag this season is an all time high. Get off my TV refs. They got the Rams out of purgatory in 2018 nobody can deny that.