"we don't see it ever" literally the first interaction between jinx and silco after the time skip is silco handling jinx in a bad mental state which caused her to do something which hurt silco's goals. The beauty is in the subtlety of his character. At the start of the series silco would do ANYTHING to achieve his goal. But then jinx came along and changed him. He gave up his life long ambition, everything he's ever worked for because of jinx. Then jinx killed him, and EVEN THEN silco wasn't even mad at jinx. His last words to the person who literally killed him was "you're perfect". If that isn't character development then idk what is.
Yep, that's my thought also. But anyone giving the show a teeny bit of attention when watching it would know this, so I think they just gave him such a low score to troll and get a reaction out of us. Almost all they said why they put Silco so low on the ranking didn't make any sense, after all. Jinx was hurting his "business", but he still listened to her and accepted her as she is, was patient with her, and let her prick his eye - which is also a show of trust, because no-one is going to let anyone do that with people you don't trust. Yes, he was a villain. But a great villain. We're not judging his moral character here, just how great he was in portraying the villain, and a multi-layered one at that. And no-one can honestly say he wasn't portrayed as a great villain; a boss whom could control his subordinates with threats without always resorting to outright violence or murder. But, also, with a sense of loyalty towards those that served his cause - we see that in the scene with Sevika. And, much to his own surprise, having been changed enough to disregard his lifelong ultimate dream and goal of an independent nation of Zaun for the feelings he gained for his adopted daughter. This differs so much with the har-har classical ultimate-evil villain trope it's difficult to see how anyone would have missed that.
I think u guys somewhat misunderstood Silko. He went against Vander because he didn’t understand how important family is and he hated Vander for that. Just to find out he is not better then Vander since he also can’t sacrifice Jinx.
I think you guys ranked the characters based on likeability instead of whether the character are well-written or not. I think Marcus belongs to Great. This not a likable characters, but he character plot is great. He wants to outdo Grayson, but in the end knows to maintain peace, you need to work with the head of the undercity and unfortunate for him it is Slico, not Vander. He is clearly frustrated with it, but he can’t do anything about it. Jayce does not belong to the shadow. He is a character who overachieved so much so that he does know what to do or prioritize. He wants to do good, but he doesn’t not have a clear idea how to, hence, you see him swaying based on what people tells him to. He joined the Council because he was voted in, he voted out Heimerdinger because he was influenced to. He actions seems inconsistent but his character wasn’t. Annndddd the biggest mistake. Jinx. I mean do we even have any doubts that she was a very well-written character? She is not just oh-I-a-chaotic-because-I-am-crazy character, there is an entire backstory to how she becomes such broken and traumatized self. Her core priorities is also very clear, when Vi hugged her during their reunion, she immediately dropped the hex crystal. Oh and she is preditable? I think everyone has a bit doubt before she unveil the cupcake in the serving plate in the “last supper scene”.
Yes thank you! I agree with you about Jayce and Marcus and I couldn't believe that Jinx was anything but pantheon. Writing her off as a "joker" is complete ignoring how complex of a character she is. Jinx is the most complex character and the best part of arcane in my opinion
"I think you guys ranked the characters based on likeability instead of whether the character are well-written or not." My thoughts exactly. With a lot of the characters, they basically went: oh, I like him/her, and oh, I disliked him/her. But that's missing the point. If a character that you're supposed to dislike succeeds in you disliking him, that character played his role marvelous. It's not about personally liking a character, it's about how great he did in portraying the role he was supposed to be playing. These reactors don't seem to realize that. Silco was a GREAT villain; clearly evil and dislike-able, but still having some deeper layers as well; we can understand his motivation; his longing and zeal for an independent Zaun, we see how he loves Jinx to the degree it's become more important than even his dream, we see how he's loyal to people that are loyal to him, etc. He's not one-dimensional. And yet, they give him the same ranking as some unknown counselor, whom we see 3 times for 5 seconds and hardly says a sentence. It's outright ridiculous. So much so, I suspect they did it on purpose to rile us up.
This has to be a joke. There's no way this is real. You're complaining about Silco "not developing at all" yet he clearly does. And then you go on to say that "Jayce changes too much" ?????? How is that even an argument? Some of the things you said we're completely find like The Councilors being pretty unknown. But to then go on and put Mylo (which by all accounts is a great character with how he interacts with Vi and Powder in the same tier as Silco who went from an "Evil Revolutionist" to "Empathic father" over the span of the series is just objectively speaking wrong. I know this is personal beliefs and that it's your opinions, but some opinions in this are just so misguided that it actually pretty astounding that you got some of these character arcs wrong. Wow
You got the video wrong. They complained that Jayce changed his opinion too much, because he was so easy to manipulate. Also, Silco's change happens in the time skip. We don't actually witness it. I don't think that's a problem, but if they feel different about it, that's fair.
@@GweniKeks Silco's change happened in a timeskip? So you're saying the scene where he sits under Vander's statue and realizes his mistake about Vander never happened?
@@GweniKeks That's not entirely true. While his relationship clearly did shift in the time that passed, we see AMPLE of examples to make us witness his changed attitude. There is no need for us "witnessing" the very first time, or EVERY time he might give a sign of a changing heart the past ten years. In fact... I don't think he realized how much his feelings for Jinx influenced him, until he had to choose between his life-long goal and Jinx. So we clearly see the most relevant parts of the change. And we do see *that* all happen before our eyes, and thus, claiming he did not develop as a character at all, is simply untrue. That's not "opinion" or "feelings", it's about facts. Take Silco from the first 3 episodes, and compare him with the last 6, and we can clearly see his character developed. Period.
I really appreciate the video, but damn, I don't think I've ever disagreed with a video more than this one. But then again one of you didn't even know Powder was Jinx, so I don't think I should take it too serious. It was cool to see Singed and Marcus not being heavily underrated, though (in the list at least)! Can't help but laugh when you say "it's looking really good"
Marcus was an annoying weasel of a character with many flaws, but he was *meant* to be such a character, making a high spot deserved. And that's the problem here: maybe the people of the vid let their personal likes or dislikes play a bit too much, instead of thinking: were those characters great in the ROLE they were supposed to play? Because placing Silco at the same spot as a counsellor we hardly see and hear AT ALL - that makes no sense from an objective stance. The jinx-powder was sarcasm, though. ;-)
@@AniMageNeBy Yeah I realized it was sarcasm. And I agree. It's hard to find good Arcane tierlists. Marcus was an important character in the show, not just some unnecessarily corrupted cop, just like Mylo wasn't unnecessarily annoying
Ummm...yeah, angry. Jinx should have been in Pantheon. You clearly didn't understand her character, the dynamics, the psychology. She is simply the best character in the show, you just didn't understand her, but I understand its not your fault that you didn't understand that level of complexity.
Yes!! I was so confused how anyone could put her in anything other than pantheon and COMPLETELY ignore that she's the best character on the show. But then again, they don't understand the complexity lol
This guy just put Heimerdinger in the shadow realm because he "only cares for himself" even though he correctly predicted that Hextech is too strong and can be put in the hands of the wrong people, as Jayce ended up killing a child with it. Absolute trash
@@mkmc94 it's true that Heimerdinger is not the greatest person in the show, however how he is written in the story makes him so very important for the motivation of Jayce and Viktor, and he goes through a character development in act three where he finally realized how he has been seeing the world wrong and notices the people struggling thanks to the injustices of piltover. That's good character story telling as much as I also dislike Heimerdinger. So he definitely doesn't deserve shadow realm. Not Pantheon, but definitely not the bottom.
And that's the problem here: maybe the people of the vid let their personal likes or dislikes play a bit too much, instead of thinking: were those characters great in the ROLE they were supposed to play?
Silco, Jinx and Jayce are all pantheon, and Marcus is great if not pantheon. They all fulfill their rol so so well. You not liking a character doesn't mean is not a well written character. Jayce's relationship with Viktor is amazing. You can see him all the time trying to balance his duties as councelor and Piltover's favorite man with his relationship with Viktor. There are tons of great scenes showing that he really cared for Viktor, like when he sleeps with Mel, and then she wokes up alone, next scene is Jayce sitting next to Viktor supporting him. Even in that "People from the undercity are dangerous" scene, after Viktor says "I'm from the undercity", Jayce realizes his mistake and quickly hugs his friend. Without even mentioning the hundred times he stood besides Viktor confronting Heimer. He is really a great character overall, and very multidimentional. And don't make me start on Silco, easily one of the best characters in the show and one of the best written villains I ever seen. Oh and in case you didn't notice, Jinx and Powder are the same character dah.
This video just exposes that the hosts have 0 comprehension skills and are just childish as fuck in ranking the characters , jayce is not always likeable but he did his hardest to protect everyone, he even suggested to close up his life's work for the safety of other people and he understood how deep the problem with zaun is which is why he suggests to separate then for peace
Just because you don't get a scene desciribing it does not mean it is not there. Part of the beauty of arcane lies in te things that were said without film or word. The things we didn't see but knew were happening. Also, Jayce is pretty realistic. A man struggling with his ideals and goals thrust into a situation that forces him to trade what he once believed in for something he now thinks he needs as he becomes ever more paranoid. Going from an insecure but smart young man to a ruler that sometimes becomes so absorbed into his beliefs that he forgets to see the reality in front of him. He is eautifully human, no matter how much I may dislike his personality. Also, Singed should have his own tier above Pantheon, change my mind.
Both Silco and Jinx play pivotal roles in this series, together with Vi and Caitlain - that's why they're all there at the end of the last episode during that whole long table-dinner scene. Yet Jinx got a lower place than even Vander, who was great but, let's face it, his role was finished after ep 3. And Silco - the main antagonist - now gets an equal place to some counsellor we don't know and maybe was shown two times with one sentence of dialogue...
Personally I don’t like jinx as a character considering for what everything she has done but what I do like about the character is how her story arc is contributing the show that’s the only interesting thing about the show is her backstory.
Speaking solely on Mylo and not Silco, I think Mylo is an underrated character, just like Marcus. There is a good reason why Mylo has way more dialogue and focus than Claggor.
@@anhuro8558 i think Milo and Marcus have similar value, in my eyes they should definitly be in the same tier, but i still think Silco is 1 tier higher and it migth not be a popular opinion, but Vander and Caitlyn have similar value too and should be in the same tier, except they're still alive and i know they will become more important later on, for this reason i'll put them half a tier higher...
Jinx deserves the pantheon right next to her sister. She is the embodiment of the theme she is so important and well craft where knowing powder you miss her and adore her but knowing jinx she drives you insane. And it’s the struggle of knowing she’s jinx but still hoping to see powder again
Sky was close with Viktor in childhood. In Viktor's backstory with the boat, Sky was the girl at the top of the waterfall worrying for Viktor. She has clearly cared about him for a long long long long time and he has clearly interacted with her for a long time. While he may care more about Hextech, that doesn't mean he can't care a lot about a life long friend being vaporized by Hextech too. SMH all these people saying "She's in the background and all she does is try to distract Viktor from achieving his goals."
I think the very issue the people in this video have with understanding Arcane is that the show is very much 'show don't tell'. A lot of the logic behind their ranting is very much from the view point of very direct dialogue from the characters and not really the true interactions... So yeah I agree they did Sky dirty
Damn that like to dislike ratio explains a lot lmao Edit: To clear up confusion, I have an extension on my pc that lets me see the dislikes even though UA-cam hides them. At the time of me editing this the video has 157 dislikes and 226 likes.
9:20 I get the feeling, that this lady doesn't understand what "good character" means... When the title said "ranking from best to worst", I thought this was supposed to be a discussion about character quality, when in fact it was a superficial popularity contest. I actually agree to this list with the exception of Jayce. I understand why you didn't like him, even so I don't share that oppinion, but that doesn't make him a bad character. He was well written to be what he was supposed to be. We understand his emotions, his drive, his reasoning and where his decisions come from. He has one of the biggest impacts on the story on par with Vi, I like how he and Mel add to each other and his indecicive questioning nature brings perfect nuance to Vi's thick headed way. When Jayce called the undercity dangerous infront of Viktor, to which Viktor responded "I am from the undercity", Viktor wasn't really being offended by Jayce's words. Viktor isn't someone to care much about such things, he's used to much worse and he forgets the matter anyway a few seconds later, after Jayce appologized and stopped to press the topic that really made Viktor uncomfortable: the reason for his trip to the under city. He turned the conversation around and confronted Jayce with his insensitive choice of words, to hide the fact that he just consulted the mad Nazi doctor, who creates the very weapons they are threatened with, to help with his Hex-Core research. Viktor used his connections to the undercity to meet with the exact dangerous people Jayce was talking about, not to see his family or something. When Mel asked them to create weapons, Viktor was furious, but when his research was stagnating, he didn't hesitate to consult Singed. He doesn't want to create weapons for Piltover, but he is okay with using the weapon Singed created for Zaun to help with his private project. I understand why he is doing it and I'd probably do the same under his circumstances, which is why he is a great character, even so he is wrong (maybe even because he is wrong). Through Viktor's story we explore how easily lines can be crossed, if they get blurred by your own emotions and desires. "In our search for greatness we forgot to do good" one of the greatest lines from the series.
Garbo list. Why are Mel and Caitlyn in the top tier when jinx is only great? Jinx's character and mental illness were so well done. Also, Silco should've been top tier as well. Also, I would give Jayce some credit cuz he carries the development of Piltover as a place. Without him, the political change would've been nonexistent.
I actually agree with jinx not beeing on the top. In the middle of the series I stoped caring at all about her since what was happening with viktor or vi and cait was waaaaay more interesting and unpredictable than what jinx was doing. She was important to the story… yes! But I still think Mel’s mom was way better of a character in 2 episodes than jinx in the hole series.
Caitlyn is put in pantheon for being Vi's girlfriend but Jinx is in the same tier as Mylo for being "predictable"? They know they are 100% wrong with this ranking lol. Heimerdinger in great? no lol. Ekko is cool but not good enough for pantheon level. Silco isn't pantheon level for me but he is better than being placed in the same tier as Benzo who had 2 scenes in the entire first act.
When you put Jinx on the same level as Mel’s mom, Milo, and Sevika because she was “too much,” That’s when you know they haven’t actually watched Arcane.
Silco, one of the greatest multi-layered villains of the entire show, is put on the same tier as Benzo, Huck, and an unknown counselor we've seen two times for 5 seconds and spoke one sentence in the entire show??! That's so ridiculous, one knows you guys are doing it to piss your audience off and are trying to elicit a reaction in the comments. ;-) The claim he didn't progress as a character while he gave up his nation of Zaun for his love for Jinx makes no sense at all: it was one of the biggest changes of character in the entire show. Would his own self have ever done that? No! He even had his fallout with Vander over this! His conversation with Vanders' statue made that unbelievably clear, saying he now understand where his "brother" was coming from, where he never did before. Who could even miss such a thing, if watching the series with half a brain? "He was in the background the entire time"... umm... he made up, like, 10-15% of the entire show?! Would the scene where he threatens Marcus with his kid even be possible if he were "only in the background"?? He - obviously - took the main stage there as in many other scenes. He caused the death of Grayson AND Vander, and made Powder into Jinx. But he "was only in the background"?? He was pivotal in all the major directions Piltover and Zaun went in. We see him in *every* major part that handles the undercity from ep4 onwards. "Only background"? He's the main antagonist! He plays the head role in almost EVERY scene that deals with the undercity! Just LOOK at the episodes where he's shown: he was the main character, literally, in many of the scenes. He was also the main father figure for Jinx - yes, as a criminal, but still; the same role as Vander got - whom got the top spot. There is a difference between not liking what he said to Jinx because we know what his "job" is, and denying the fact he played that role. His feelings were genuine - everyone watching episode 8 would understand that. There, his reaction didn't indicate any calculation - in fact, on the bridge he showed his weakness to his subordinates. He tried to save Jinx at all costs, run to the doc, kissed her forehead - there would be no sense for him to do all that, if he didn't *really* see Jinx as his daughter. And...He gassed his whole clique of sub-kingpins as a boss. ;-) But somehow, he ended up as a background-character at the same level as some unknown counselor we've hardly seen or heard in the entire show? Nah, that's just plain trolling. ;-)
Silco is my #1 This man walked in on his crew discussing a coup, dropped some gas, watched them all choke while he’s chilling breathing in toxic air just to make a point that they ain’t shit
I hope this video is a joke... I could barely stand to watch this video halfway through, as I could tell you guys didn't even pay attention to the show, because it looked like all the characters were ranked by most colorful to black and white. You guys also put a bunch of people in the good category that didn't deserve to be there, like a councilor that had 10 seconds of dialogue in the entire show, whereas you put Babette in the indifferent tier, even though she had at least a couple minutes of dialogue with Vi. It's also crazy to me how Heimerdinger was placed above Silco, even though Silco made the show how good it was, and Heimerdinger was just annoying the whole time except with Ekko near the end. I feel as if you guys put Vi and Caitlyn in the same tier next to each other for the fan service, even though both of those characters messed up a LOT with Jinx, and felt no remorse for her. Vi is the literal reason why Jinx blew up the Council in the finale when she kept yelling out names from the past that hurt her the most because of her trauma, which you guys brushed off as "oh she's just a joker." This isn't the case at all, and if you could pay attention to how she acted even as powder, she already had huge abandonment issues because of how young she was when she lost her parents, and what do you think will happen when the person Jinx needed the most was gone or "abandoned" her? Those abandonment problems will get worse, and she would've had to deal with all of those thoughts completely by herself if it wasn't for Silco. While Vi's memory helped her push herself to stay alive, the words Vi said to her would stick with her forever, and make her who she is now, which is Jinx. That's all I have to say for now, but this video is a 0/10 for me. Disliked.
I could never agree more with you in my whole life and what they said about jinx being to much I was completely out of anger like the show is about her past and what happened to her and they are saying she is too much I swear to god holy fuck
i wouldn't give it a 0/10 i mean a few where correct that they did personally not many though but i completely agree with you if i had to rate it i would give it probably 2-4/10
I agree that this vid is trash but u could of found a better way than trying blame Vi & Cait by saying “she messed up jinx” as if jinx holds no accountability, or “they felt no remorse for her” cut it out… Vi isn’t the reason she blew the council either.. again cut that out.. She still did deal with those abandonment issues by herself “if it wasn’t for silco” is cap he ain’t do anything to help with it he just let it rock. Projecting ur insecurities onto the kid wont help them ..Vi called her a jinx yes but to just eat up every word jinx says & agree & say Vi turned her into who she is now is ridiculous. Thats jinx perspective not the overall perspective. Its one thing to counter someone & say “y’all didn’t even watch the show” but when u also u bring in ur points & they all don’t add up either, it begs the question to think that u actually have the nerve to call someone out for something & do the same thing they do that would have people asking “did u even watch the show urself?”
@@lemarcash I have a feeling you don't understand people with mental illness. Jinx is very mentally ill especially as a child so anything she did literally was out of her control and she only had the best intentions to save her sister and her family. When Vi reacted the way she did when she was the only person Jinx had left it ruined Jinx even more, especially if Vi had just took Powder and ran to avoid Silco and then she could've yelled at her then, but at least they would have been together. Vi should have known that Silco would have come down to finish the job with herself, so when she left Powder to cry by herself that is what ultimately separated them. We could go back even further however and say it was jayces fault for even having those magic crystals illegally, and he is an adult that can take full accountability, unlike jinx who was a child. And after everything when jinx grew up she had to constantly feel guilt which will make you go insane, and finally reuniting with her sister is what she wanted so she could be powder again, but she doesn't need to pretend to be someone she isn't. When the world betrayed her and turned her into the monster she is, she isn't going to stand by and just let those people not get the consequences that they deserve, causing her to shoot the council and avenge what silco has worked for his entire life, even though he gave it up to save jinx, because as silco said, jinx is perfect, and everyone else betrays them.
@@Catakrit No i understand it.. what u don’t understand is saying “Vi should have done this or Vi should have known” is unfair especially if u give powder the pass and say shes a child while Vi is also yk the other child.. it makes no sense to keep powder in the clear and then hold most of the accountability towards vi, thats just a ridiculous take all together, I could easily say powder should have just stayed home but u would counter it by saying “She just wanted to help, shes just a child, Vi always let her come” i don’t blame powder since i understand her but when u say “yea i cant blame her but.. Vi” thats where u already messed up cause ur just going out of ur way to justify one kids actions by blaming it on another kid.. yk the reason y’all get mad in the first place when a reactor blames a kid but yall retaliate the same thats why its wild to me & why i said u could have gone about a better way with what u said u to begin with instead blaming Vi
Jinx has to be on top, far from being in the same tier as Mylo... she is the HUGE factor in the story, killed Silco, started the war, almost killed Cait, Vi's motivation, Silco's motivation, Jayce's motivation.
"Jinx was too predictable" So I guess they predicted that... -Jinx wanted to kill herself and ARGUABLY Ekko as well -Jinx would kill Silco on instinct -Steal the new stabilized crystal that Jayce & Viktor had just presented for Heimerdinger -Use said crystal to shoot a big rocket into the council with multiple important characters in it -Use the flair that Vi gave her in episode 3 -Use a swarm of firefly bombs to kill off Marcus The most predictable thing about Jinx is that she gets injected with shimmer, but apart from that... I wouldn't say she was predictable lol
@@thefab0075I understand your frustration, I feel it too. I agree with other people saying that Jinx is « cool », « complex », « well-written » etc. But Vi? I love everything about her, especially as a character, a person. She’s got such a good heart, everything she does is out of good intentions. While Jinx? She was a villain for quite some time.. until mid season 2 where she became a better person. And again, BOTH of them have traumas and went through shit. So people should stop using the traumas as an excuse for Jinx’s bad actions. She’s made mistakes and they can’t be justified. BUT when it comes to « which character is the most well written? » I’m gonna go with Jinx.
Yes Viktor the man who lied and did illegal things and kept them hidden. Lol. We don't see the daughter father relationship. The first time we see them they are legit silco handling jinx in a bad mental state. Sigh I have to dislike this video cause they have shit views.
@@anhuro8558 that's worth disliking the video lol. If they don't understand it then they shouldn't review it. Like when people don't know someone name. Like they are working that hard.
@@riymeep6708 Fair, I don't even particularily like the writing, as he was mainly drifting around the story without any purpose - doing what others wanted of him. Zero agency, and a hugely unlikable character.
Interesting video. 👍 I feel like the last round where each of you picks an already placed character and moves it, should be instead each of you picks an already placed character and subjects it to a vote between all 4 of you.
This Yinsu lady really out here being wrong all the time. by making false arguments. 1:57 says you never saw an actual relationship despite the show very well establishing what his bond between them are in so many scenes they have together. She also dislikes things because she saw types of character relationships that didn’t actually exist. 2:13 She disliked Silco because what she thought he had the hots for Jinx? Like if that’s why you dislike him that’s because you invented it. You saw something that didn’t exist, & said it was bad because of it. Great job. 😒 2:38 The stupidest thing you’ve said so far, so first of all, the implication that you have to change in order to be a good character is just wrong. You can have a static character get into infinite situations, & never get bored. These types of characters have existed since the beginning of film. What do you think Looney Tunes are? Completely static characters that are only continuously entertaining because you constantly see them in different situations, & after all that you’re just wrong with the statement that he never changes, because he changes by understanding who Vander ended up being when he gets the same choice to give up his kid to possibly help the cause, but can’t. What do you think that scene is with him sitting by Vanders statue, where he says “It all makes sense now brother.” *pours one out on the Vander statue, then nods to it.* “Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?” That entire scene is him understanding Vanders choices back in episode 3, & discovers an understanding with Vander for a decision he before judged him negatively for by not giving up the children. Like man it’s actually insane, Yinsu so confidently says these blatant 1 sentences claims, & statements casually, & it’s so jarring. I question how much she paid attention sometimes, like this is your job, & here you are clearly not knowing what you’re talking about. Then you start just saying negative things about Jayce, & basically just saying he was frustrating, & I didn’t care about him. Wow thanks, so thorough. You really convinced me why he’s not an actual good character, despite having incredibly good character writing in most of his scenes. Then you do the same thing with Singed, like “Oh he’s interesting, I want to know more about him. we’ll put him here” That’s nothing, explain why you like him please!! 5:16 Then you say you hate Heimerdinger because he didn’t do anything for 700 years?!?! & only cared about himself?!? What do you mean? So first of all that’s more than twice of his life span!! What was he supposed to do when he wasn’t fucking alive?!? He’s 314 years old by the end of this show. Did you just get the ages wrong? So you got mad at the show because you again invented something that didn’t actually happen, & said that’s why he sucks. Great another example of stupidity. 😒 You also apparently think he only cares about himself despite his whole goal to help the people of piltover, & not have huge genocides caused by the power of magic, & your reasoning for this is because he never tells what actually happened?!??! I’m sorry as if that claim, & piece of info are remotely connected, & first of all that event is something everyone already knows in the universe. It’s not like this event is something that only Heimerdinger knows ever happened. He was just the one that lived through it, & has the most trauma, & it is what built his choices on not wanting to mess with the power of magic. He constantly wants to make sure Hextech is properly working before giving it to the public because he specifically doesn’t want people to be harmed. How can you say he’s selfish after that? What was your brain doing when those scenes happened? How do you come to such an incorrect conclusion that is so blatantly wrong? Did you pay attention, & watch the show you’re talking about? Did you even take notes before making so many blatantly wrong claims?!? I’ve never been on this channel before, & I gotta say, a terrible first impression. My goodness I’m about 5:49 in, & I don’t want to watch more of this vid. It physically hurts to hear people talk about a topic that I have a lot of positive investment in, and be so negatively incorrect about it. I’m Done. I’m not finishing this vid, & I hope after this it’s clear why. Bye.
I- idk what show you guys watched but wow, what is this- Caitlyn gets put in pantheon for being Vi's girlfriend but Jinx, the best and most complex character on the whole show, gets put with MILO??? Lets be real here, Jinx deserves her own section above pantheon, she is one of the most well written characters..ever You literally said "wait, powder is Jinx?' like did you even watch the show? And "they should explore Silco more in season 2" Wtf Silco died in the season finale, again, did you watch the show? "We don't see the relationship" WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. Like another comment said, "literally the first interaction between Jinx and Silco after the time skip is Silco handling jinx in a bad mental state." We see Silco's love for Jinx and how that shapes him into someone who would do anything for his goals, who questioned why Vander wouldn't give up Vi for the cause, to someone who said "is there anything more undoing than a daughter." Silco definitely belongs in the pantheon tier, he's an extremely well written character, tf do you mean "no progression of his character," you put a COUNCILLOR WITH 3 LINES IN THE SAME TIER AS SILCO I can't even get thought the rest of the video-
So jinx is predictable yet she's.. too much at the same time? Tbh I love caitlyn but she didn't change much throughout the series but she gets a pass for being Vi's girlfriend but Jinx who is a damn near perfect representation of trauma and ptsd and is very relatable and a loved character gets put in the same tier as Mylo who you said yourself, was just made to develope Vi and Powder. The math isn't mathing. And I find it hard to believe that you were watching the tea party scene not sitting at the edge of your seat in sweat and tears wondering what's Jinx is gonna do. And if you really wanna go with "jinx is predictable" then we can say the same thing with vi. When vi is stressed she's not good with words, she uses her fists, and she leaves. We see that so many times in the series. Jinx, yes when people leave her many times and talk about betraying her, she's gonna think that they are going to leave and betray her. She's gonna feel like she's not enough. The whole second and third act were pretty much driven by Jinx and the pretty much everything with Vi and Caitlyn wouldn't have happened without Jinx. Jinx should be in pantheon.
What tf is caitlin doing above jinx? She's literally the best character from the show. Caitlin being above her is just outrageous considering that she did'nt even contribute much to the show
I was agreeing with you all until you guys putted jayce in good and not great we all know he's not on pare with the other mc's but he was a great character.
A lot of the time it felt like they were judging based on how much they liked the character, not based on their relevance and impact on the show. Like, just because you don't like Marcus for causing bad stuff to happen, doesn't mean he was a bad character...
"Oh the show doesn't spoon feed you the backstory of each character, and I have to guess and pay attention to details? Fck that put them in low tier charachters". That is just lazy show analisys. Poor Parkes
This people don't really now what they are talking about it wasn't that bad until jinx part she is one of the greatest characters of all times like the backstory the pain everything she went through all show is about her if you think about it she just wanted to be worthy,loved, and feel like someone needed her and you guys said that omg, and her relationship with Silco is so more interesting then Vander with vi cus like Silco saw him in jinx situation bc of what Vander did to him and the way he manipulated her is because he was afraid that she would leave him behind for vi, and he would never leaved jinx even if he was manipulating her he would always be by her side and after all that's what jinx kinda needed someone who wasn't gonna leave her and needed her their relationship was toxic but at the same time beautiful, Vander relationship with vi it was kinda simple but good, but jinx and Silco so more complex so more interesting how can you say that please omg am just so choked about your decision am not even gonna talk about himerdinguer and sky cus putting them there just proves you guys need to watch the show again and know more about the lore behind it
Silco should be in S tier and to left vander Silco was badass I show voice actor did wonderful job a Bring out this character The writing was also good and jayce should be in A or B tier
wow lol a character that makes or breaks a show is a character that is taken from the storyline and everything falls apart. Jinx is THE character. every scene she had in arcane was memorable. u put caitlin in a higher rank than JINX? wowzers u guys do realize she was the main character right? but then again u guys calling her "joker" or harley quinn" truly shows ur lack of depth. honestly half ur pantheon got put there because they appealed to ur gay vibes. Pantheon for me was- Silco Jinx Ekko Mel Viktor Great was- Singed Vi Vander Mel's mom Caitlin good- Grayson Mylo Benzo Marcus Sevika Indifferent Jayce Claggor Sky Heimendinger
Okay okay okay so you are saying that you don’t like the show Bc the show was about jinx’s development and what happened to her. You are saying she is predictable when you don’t even know that powder and jinx are the same and putting Caitlyn on the top but not the main character and the best viewer shiped person on the top, trust me I like Caitlyn but she is not super sure about everything can’t do to much and knows that much we’re jinx has the best problems and gives adrenaline to the show you guys made me so mad like god holy fuck. Her ptsd and trauma her development and stuff you clearly can’t see old go rewatch it and actually know what you are talking about
I agreed with the list a little but then pick #29 made me furious. How dare you say Jinx isn’t Pantheon. She was the best character in this show and she had so much complexity to her character and psychology. But other than that a good list. Also how did you not know Powder was Jinx. Also how dare you Lily for putting Silco in good tier.
i dont agree with yinsus opinion, i think silco's develepment was reasly well fucking done and come on! harmedeiger isnt THAT bad, i just think that the series only thinks of him as A CIENTIST edit: o so ekko is pantheon, of course.... i have NEVER disagreed more in a ranking video than this one
finally some one said it that Vi is a much more better character then Jinx. for me personally they should focus on Vi more in the next season the story of jinx is pretty much the same from that ;oint on unless Vi can change her back to powder some how
I don’t think that it is fair that Caitlyn who is in a better top tier then jinx Bc they show was about jinx and her back story and when you want jinx to be back as powder who always was a bit under vi. I don’t think you got it to right Bc jinx is phenomenal with her ptsd and trauma and how she is acting Bc when she was a little girl she could do nothing now she has this development we’re she is super strong and vi is still the same person. But In the next season it will be focused on JINX and vi getting together again
He won't come to Leauge, but he will come to Teamfight Tactics mid-set update (set 6.5). It is not confirmed what his ability/animations and traits will be like, though
Seriously Jayce and Jinx belong to the pantheon. They are good characters who are only misguided. Jinx has a split personality and Jayce has much responsibility which can lead to pressure. How the hell can you like unimportant side characters more than Jayce?
i can't understand how you place them, is it by how lovable they are, because if that's the case what the fuck Singed do in Great and if that's by how great of a character they are how can Greyson be higher than Marcus... you seem to be inconsistant with your choice in any case Viktor is top tier all the time, greatest and most lovable character, also, 1 question: why everyone want Silco in the game, but nobody talk about the other non-champion above him, for me it seems clear he's objectively a top tier character
Viktor is an amazing character. Silco was just kinda "there" for me. I don't care if Viktor's experiments and beliefs are questionable, his intentions are still good in a way, even if what he does isn't classified as moral by most people.
Can agree with this list for the most part. Do find it hilarious as some in the comments have gone so far as to say that differing opinions must mean that folks didn't watch the same show they did. Guess in their logic their OPINION is the only correct one and others don't have the same equality in....OPINIONS LMAO!
the thing is they're entirely inconsistent with the way they made the tierlist. putting some characters lower because they're not fleshed out but then putting mylo over silco, which the latter was completely fleshed out and an integral part of jinx's development.
@@GweniKeks yeah I'm fine if they interpret the characters differently, it's just that they are entirely inconsisten between each character. The double standards of one character being ranked high for "not changing" and another character for "changing too much"
Everyone simps for Viktor and Silco is trash. There, we said it. Subscribe if you agree.
No.
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"we don't see it ever" literally the first interaction between jinx and silco after the time skip is silco handling jinx in a bad mental state which caused her to do something which hurt silco's goals. The beauty is in the subtlety of his character. At the start of the series silco would do ANYTHING to achieve his goal. But then jinx came along and changed him. He gave up his life long ambition, everything he's ever worked for because of jinx. Then jinx killed him, and EVEN THEN silco wasn't even mad at jinx. His last words to the person who literally killed him was "you're perfect". If that isn't character development then idk what is.
exactly
He didn't give it up.
He wouldn't give her up and not give up on her.
But his goals were still at hand.
Just not at the cost of jinx.
Yep, that's my thought also. But anyone giving the show a teeny bit of attention when watching it would know this, so I think they just gave him such a low score to troll and get a reaction out of us.
Almost all they said why they put Silco so low on the ranking didn't make any sense, after all. Jinx was hurting his "business", but he still listened to her and accepted her as she is, was patient with her, and let her prick his eye - which is also a show of trust, because no-one is going to let anyone do that with people you don't trust. Yes, he was a villain. But a great villain. We're not judging his moral character here, just how great he was in portraying the villain, and a multi-layered one at that. And no-one can honestly say he wasn't portrayed as a great villain; a boss whom could control his subordinates with threats without always resorting to outright violence or murder. But, also, with a sense of loyalty towards those that served his cause - we see that in the scene with Sevika. And, much to his own surprise, having been changed enough to disregard his lifelong ultimate dream and goal of an independent nation of Zaun for the feelings he gained for his adopted daughter.
This differs so much with the har-har classical ultimate-evil villain trope it's difficult to see how anyone would have missed that.
I think u guys somewhat misunderstood Silko. He went against Vander because he didn’t understand how important family is and he hated Vander for that. Just to find out he is not better then Vander since he also can’t sacrifice Jinx.
I think you guys ranked the characters based on likeability instead of whether the character are well-written or not.
I think Marcus belongs to Great. This not a likable characters, but he character plot is great. He wants to outdo Grayson, but in the end knows to maintain peace, you need to work with the head of the undercity and unfortunate for him it is Slico, not Vander. He is clearly frustrated with it, but he can’t do anything about it.
Jayce does not belong to the shadow. He is a character who overachieved so much so that he does know what to do or prioritize. He wants to do good, but he doesn’t not have a clear idea how to, hence, you see him swaying based on what people tells him to. He joined the Council because he was voted in, he voted out Heimerdinger because he was influenced to. He actions seems inconsistent but his character wasn’t.
Annndddd the biggest mistake. Jinx. I mean do we even have any doubts that she was a very well-written character? She is not just oh-I-a-chaotic-because-I-am-crazy character, there is an entire backstory to how she becomes such broken and traumatized self. Her core priorities is also very clear, when Vi hugged her during their reunion, she immediately dropped the hex crystal. Oh and she is preditable? I think everyone has a bit doubt before she unveil the cupcake in the serving plate in the “last supper scene”.
Yes thank you! I agree with you about Jayce and Marcus and I couldn't believe that Jinx was anything but pantheon. Writing her off as a "joker" is complete ignoring how complex of a character she is. Jinx is the most complex character and the best part of arcane in my opinion
I totally agree
"I think you guys ranked the characters based on likeability instead of whether the character are well-written or not." My thoughts exactly. With a lot of the characters, they basically went: oh, I like him/her, and oh, I disliked him/her. But that's missing the point. If a character that you're supposed to dislike succeeds in you disliking him, that character played his role marvelous. It's not about personally liking a character, it's about how great he did in portraying the role he was supposed to be playing. These reactors don't seem to realize that. Silco was a GREAT villain; clearly evil and dislike-able, but still having some deeper layers as well; we can understand his motivation; his longing and zeal for an independent Zaun, we see how he loves Jinx to the degree it's become more important than even his dream, we see how he's loyal to people that are loyal to him, etc. He's not one-dimensional.
And yet, they give him the same ranking as some unknown counselor, whom we see 3 times for 5 seconds and hardly says a sentence. It's outright ridiculous. So much so, I suspect they did it on purpose to rile us up.
This has to be a joke. There's no way this is real. You're complaining about Silco "not developing at all" yet he clearly does. And then you go on to say that "Jayce changes too much" ?????? How is that even an argument? Some of the things you said we're completely find like The Councilors being pretty unknown. But to then go on and put Mylo (which by all accounts is a great character with how he interacts with Vi and Powder in the same tier as Silco who went from an "Evil Revolutionist" to "Empathic father" over the span of the series is just objectively speaking wrong. I know this is personal beliefs and that it's your opinions, but some opinions in this are just so misguided that it actually pretty astounding that you got some of these character arcs wrong. Wow
Ikr, this video made the hosts look sto stupid and annoying
You got the video wrong. They complained that Jayce changed his opinion too much, because he was so easy to manipulate. Also, Silco's change happens in the time skip. We don't actually witness it. I don't think that's a problem, but if they feel different about it, that's fair.
@@GweniKeks Silco's change happened in a timeskip? So you're saying the scene where he sits under Vander's statue and realizes his mistake about Vander never happened?
@@GweniKeks That's not entirely true. While his relationship clearly did shift in the time that passed, we see AMPLE of examples to make us witness his changed attitude. There is no need for us "witnessing" the very first time, or EVERY time he might give a sign of a changing heart the past ten years. In fact... I don't think he realized how much his feelings for Jinx influenced him, until he had to choose between his life-long goal and Jinx. So we clearly see the most relevant parts of the change. And we do see *that* all happen before our eyes, and thus, claiming he did not develop as a character at all, is simply untrue. That's not "opinion" or "feelings", it's about facts. Take Silco from the first 3 episodes, and compare him with the last 6, and we can clearly see his character developed. Period.
@@MustardGuy161 Jinx was clearly important to him beforehand. This scene just clarified it to the audience. But it happened in the timeskip.
I really appreciate the video, but damn, I don't think I've ever disagreed with a video more than this one. But then again one of you didn't even know Powder was Jinx, so I don't think I should take it too serious. It was cool to see Singed and Marcus not being heavily underrated, though (in the list at least)! Can't help but laugh when you say "it's looking really good"
It was a joke
Yeah the guy saying he didn’t know Powder was Jinx was just a joke
Marcus was an annoying weasel of a character with many flaws, but he was *meant* to be such a character, making a high spot deserved. And that's the problem here: maybe the people of the vid let their personal likes or dislikes play a bit too much, instead of thinking: were those characters great in the ROLE they were supposed to play? Because placing Silco at the same spot as a counsellor we hardly see and hear AT ALL - that makes no sense from an objective stance.
The jinx-powder was sarcasm, though. ;-)
@@AniMageNeBy Yeah I realized it was sarcasm. And I agree. It's hard to find good Arcane tierlists. Marcus was an important character in the show, not just some unnecessarily corrupted cop, just like Mylo wasn't unnecessarily annoying
Ummm...yeah, angry. Jinx should have been in Pantheon. You clearly didn't understand her character, the dynamics, the psychology. She is simply the best character in the show, you just didn't understand her, but I understand its not your fault that you didn't understand that level of complexity.
Couldn't have said it better myself :)
Word! I was a bit mad, when they put her in „great“.
And the setup into League of legends was incredible
Yes!! I was so confused how anyone could put her in anything other than pantheon and COMPLETELY ignore that she's the best character on the show. But then again, they don't understand the complexity lol
Well, don't we feel high and mighty
This guy just put Heimerdinger in the shadow realm because he "only cares for himself" even though he correctly predicted that Hextech is too strong and can be put in the hands of the wrong people, as Jayce ended up killing a child with it. Absolute trash
Ok but what did he do for the people in 300 year ? All he do is making grandiloquent speech.
@@mkmc94 it's true that Heimerdinger is not the greatest person in the show, however how he is written in the story makes him so very important for the motivation of Jayce and Viktor, and he goes through a character development in act three where he finally realized how he has been seeing the world wrong and notices the people struggling thanks to the injustices of piltover. That's good character story telling as much as I also dislike Heimerdinger. So he definitely doesn't deserve shadow realm. Not Pantheon, but definitely not the bottom.
@Chap VII All he can do is make a speech. The council wouldn’t allow any uncivil action between its members.
"Jayce is a bad character just I found him upsetting" I can see this list is not very accurate
bro I don't think I've disagreed with a video more in my entire life, but at least there were some good arguments
Ikr, I've always found charactors like jayce just as great as charactprs as Viktor but everyone else does not see it
was about to like but it was 69 so i must preserve the status quo
And that's the problem here: maybe the people of the vid let their personal likes or dislikes play a bit too much, instead of thinking: were those characters great in the ROLE they were supposed to play?
Silco, Jinx and Jayce are all pantheon, and Marcus is great if not pantheon. They all fulfill their rol so so well. You not liking a character doesn't mean is not a well written character. Jayce's relationship with Viktor is amazing. You can see him all the time trying to balance his duties as councelor and Piltover's favorite man with his relationship with Viktor. There are tons of great scenes showing that he really cared for Viktor, like when he sleeps with Mel, and then she wokes up alone, next scene is Jayce sitting next to Viktor supporting him. Even in that "People from the undercity are dangerous" scene, after Viktor says "I'm from the undercity", Jayce realizes his mistake and quickly hugs his friend. Without even mentioning the hundred times he stood besides Viktor confronting Heimer. He is really a great character overall, and very multidimentional. And don't make me start on Silco, easily one of the best characters in the show and one of the best written villains I ever seen. Oh and in case you didn't notice, Jinx and Powder are the same character dah.
This video just exposes that the hosts have 0 comprehension skills and are just childish as fuck in ranking the characters , jayce is not always likeable but he did his hardest to protect everyone, he even suggested to close up his life's work for the safety of other people and he understood how deep the problem with zaun is which is why he suggests to separate then for peace
Well, aren't we childish for insulting someone for having a harmless opinion
@@GweniKeks cringed so hard that it hurt me:) this is my opinion too
@@yongliu1230still we are insulting them so we are kinda of acting childish if you think about it
Just because you don't get a scene desciribing it does not mean it is not there.
Part of the beauty of arcane lies in te things that were said without film or word. The things we didn't see but knew were happening.
Also, Jayce is pretty realistic. A man struggling with his ideals and goals thrust into a situation that forces him to trade what he
once believed in for something he now thinks he needs as he becomes ever more paranoid. Going from an insecure but smart young man
to a ruler that sometimes becomes so absorbed into his beliefs that he forgets to see the reality in front of him. He is eautifully human, no matter how
much I may dislike his personality.
Also, Singed should have his own tier above Pantheon, change my mind.
Literally jinx is the best thing in arcane, this show had so much hype because of her during the years before its release
agreed
Both Silco and Jinx play pivotal roles in this series, together with Vi and Caitlain - that's why they're all there at the end of the last episode during that whole long table-dinner scene. Yet Jinx got a lower place than even Vander, who was great but, let's face it, his role was finished after ep 3. And Silco - the main antagonist - now gets an equal place to some counsellor we don't know and maybe was shown two times with one sentence of dialogue...
Personally I don’t like jinx as a character considering for what everything she has done but what I do like about the character is how her story arc is contributing the show that’s the only interesting thing about the show is her backstory.
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how tf is mylo above silco
Speaking solely on Mylo and not Silco, I think Mylo is an underrated character, just like Marcus. There is a good reason why Mylo has way more dialogue and focus than Claggor.
@@anhuro8558 i think Milo and Marcus have similar value, in my eyes they should definitly be in the same tier, but i still think Silco is 1 tier higher
and it migth not be a popular opinion, but Vander and Caitlyn have similar value too and should be in the same tier, except they're still alive and i know they will become more important later on, for this reason i'll put them half a tier higher...
@@anhuro8558 Marcus is underrated.
oh yeah wth personally i'm disagreeing with some of this tier list DEFINITELY
Jinx deserves the pantheon right next to her sister. She is the embodiment of the theme she is so important and well craft where knowing powder you miss her and adore her but knowing jinx she drives you insane. And it’s the struggle of knowing she’s jinx but still hoping to see powder again
agreed sounds like you should of done this tier list as silco says "she's perfect"
Yeah agreed, after all Vi and Jinx are the protagonists.
Sky was close with Viktor in childhood. In Viktor's backstory with the boat, Sky was the girl at the top of the waterfall worrying for Viktor. She has clearly cared about him for a long long long long time and he has clearly interacted with her for a long time. While he may care more about Hextech, that doesn't mean he can't care a lot about a life long friend being vaporized by Hextech too. SMH all these people saying "She's in the background and all she does is try to distract Viktor from achieving his goals."
I think the very issue the people in this video have with understanding Arcane is that the show is very much 'show don't tell'. A lot of the logic behind their ranting is very much from the view point of very direct dialogue from the characters and not really the true interactions... So yeah I agree they did Sky dirty
Its like we watched a completely different show
One of them didn't even know Powder was Jinx LMAOO
@@anhuro8558 who didn't know that on the panel?
@@EvilAnomaly Nick Ray. They also quoted it on the screen lol
@@anhuro8558 Powder technically isn’t Jinx.
@@galaxymoonlqght3732 They're literally the same character. She changed, but it's still the same person
Damn that like to dislike ratio explains a lot lmao
Edit: To clear up confusion, I have an extension on my pc that lets me see the dislikes even though UA-cam hides them. At the time of me editing this the video has 157 dislikes and 226 likes.
Mid tier list
9:20 I get the feeling, that this lady doesn't understand what "good character" means...
When the title said "ranking from best to worst", I thought this was supposed to be a discussion about character quality, when in fact it was a superficial popularity contest.
I actually agree to this list with the exception of Jayce. I understand why you didn't like him, even so I don't share that oppinion, but that doesn't make him a bad character. He was well written to be what he was supposed to be. We understand his emotions, his drive, his reasoning and where his decisions come from. He has one of the biggest impacts on the story on par with Vi, I like how he and Mel add to each other and his indecicive questioning nature brings perfect nuance to Vi's thick headed way.
When Jayce called the undercity dangerous infront of Viktor, to which Viktor responded "I am from the undercity", Viktor wasn't really being offended by Jayce's words. Viktor isn't someone to care much about such things, he's used to much worse and he forgets the matter anyway a few seconds later, after Jayce appologized and stopped to press the topic that really made Viktor uncomfortable: the reason for his trip to the under city.
He turned the conversation around and confronted Jayce with his insensitive choice of words, to hide the fact that he just consulted the mad Nazi doctor, who creates the very weapons they are threatened with, to help with his Hex-Core research. Viktor used his connections to the undercity to meet with the exact dangerous people Jayce was talking about, not to see his family or something.
When Mel asked them to create weapons, Viktor was furious, but when his research was stagnating, he didn't hesitate to consult Singed. He doesn't want to create weapons for Piltover, but he is okay with using the weapon Singed created for Zaun to help with his private project. I understand why he is doing it and I'd probably do the same under his circumstances, which is why he is a great character, even so he is wrong (maybe even because he is wrong).
Through Viktor's story we explore how easily lines can be crossed, if they get blurred by your own emotions and desires.
"In our search for greatness we forgot to do good" one of the greatest lines from the series.
The mutation MUST survive, after all.
Silco to Jinx after watching this: We'll show them, we will show them all
FACTS💯
Jinx should have been in the pantheon
facts as silco says "she's perfect"
Garbo list. Why are Mel and Caitlyn in the top tier when jinx is only great? Jinx's character and mental illness were so well done. Also, Silco should've been top tier as well. Also, I would give Jayce some credit cuz he carries the development of Piltover as a place. Without him, the political change would've been nonexistent.
Yeah, when they placed a councilor over Jayce I knew this list couldn't be redeemed.
I actually agree with jinx not beeing on the top. In the middle of the series I stoped caring at all about her since what was happening with viktor or vi and cait was waaaaay more interesting and unpredictable than what jinx was doing.
She was important to the story… yes! But I still think Mel’s mom was way better of a character in 2 episodes than jinx in the hole series.
@@toast3188 wtf
@@toast3188 wtf
@@toast3188 Well thats your lack of empathy.
I disagree with like half of your placements and I dont repsect your opinion because its clear that you havent tought about it at all
Caitlyn is put in pantheon for being Vi's girlfriend but Jinx is in the same tier as Mylo for being "predictable"? They know they are 100% wrong with this ranking lol. Heimerdinger in great? no lol. Ekko is cool but not good enough for pantheon level. Silco isn't pantheon level for me but he is better than being placed in the same tier as Benzo who had 2 scenes in the entire first act.
When you put Jinx on the same level as Mel’s mom, Milo, and Sevika because she was “too much,” That’s when you know they haven’t actually watched Arcane.
Silco, one of the greatest multi-layered villains of the entire show, is put on the same tier as Benzo, Huck, and an unknown counselor we've seen two times for 5 seconds and spoke one sentence in the entire show??! That's so ridiculous, one knows you guys are doing it to piss your audience off and are trying to elicit a reaction in the comments. ;-)
The claim he didn't progress as a character while he gave up his nation of Zaun for his love for Jinx makes no sense at all: it was one of the biggest changes of character in the entire show. Would his own self have ever done that? No! He even had his fallout with Vander over this! His conversation with Vanders' statue made that unbelievably clear, saying he now understand where his "brother" was coming from, where he never did before. Who could even miss such a thing, if watching the series with half a brain?
"He was in the background the entire time"... umm... he made up, like, 10-15% of the entire show?! Would the scene where he threatens Marcus with his kid even be possible if he were "only in the background"?? He - obviously - took the main stage there as in many other scenes. He caused the death of Grayson AND Vander, and made Powder into Jinx. But he "was only in the background"?? He was pivotal in all the major directions Piltover and Zaun went in. We see him in *every* major part that handles the undercity from ep4 onwards. "Only background"? He's the main antagonist! He plays the head role in almost EVERY scene that deals with the undercity!
Just LOOK at the episodes where he's shown: he was the main character, literally, in many of the scenes. He was also the main father figure for Jinx - yes, as a criminal, but still; the same role as Vander got - whom got the top spot. There is a difference between not liking what he said to Jinx because we know what his "job" is, and denying the fact he played that role. His feelings were genuine - everyone watching episode 8 would understand that. There, his reaction didn't indicate any calculation - in fact, on the bridge he showed his weakness to his subordinates. He tried to save Jinx at all costs, run to the doc, kissed her forehead - there would be no sense for him to do all that, if he didn't *really* see Jinx as his daughter. And...He gassed his whole clique of sub-kingpins as a boss. ;-)
But somehow, he ended up as a background-character at the same level as some unknown counselor we've hardly seen or heard in the entire show? Nah, that's just plain trolling. ;-)
Only thing I disagree w is that silco made jinx. vi and the rest of her siblings made jinx.
Silco is my #1
This man walked in on his crew discussing a coup, dropped some gas, watched them all choke while he’s chilling breathing in toxic air just to make a point that they ain’t shit
Bro how can you put the best and most lovable character, Jinx, in that tier. She's so well written, this list is just disappointing.
facts as silco says "she's perfect"
Viktor being the character that had unanimous support is the best thing ever.
I hope this video is a joke... I could barely stand to watch this video halfway through, as I could tell you guys didn't even pay attention to the show, because it looked like all the characters were ranked by most colorful to black and white. You guys also put a bunch of people in the good category that didn't deserve to be there, like a councilor that had 10 seconds of dialogue in the entire show, whereas you put Babette in the indifferent tier, even though she had at least a couple minutes of dialogue with Vi. It's also crazy to me how Heimerdinger was placed above Silco, even though Silco made the show how good it was, and Heimerdinger was just annoying the whole time except with Ekko near the end. I feel as if you guys put Vi and Caitlyn in the same tier next to each other for the fan service, even though both of those characters messed up a LOT with Jinx, and felt no remorse for her. Vi is the literal reason why Jinx blew up the Council in the finale when she kept yelling out names from the past that hurt her the most because of her trauma, which you guys brushed off as "oh she's just a joker." This isn't the case at all, and if you could pay attention to how she acted even as powder, she already had huge abandonment issues because of how young she was when she lost her parents, and what do you think will happen when the person Jinx needed the most was gone or "abandoned" her? Those abandonment problems will get worse, and she would've had to deal with all of those thoughts completely by herself if it wasn't for Silco. While Vi's memory helped her push herself to stay alive, the words Vi said to her would stick with her forever, and make her who she is now, which is Jinx.
That's all I have to say for now, but this video is a 0/10 for me. Disliked.
I could never agree more with you in my whole life and what they said about jinx being to much I was completely out of anger like the show is about her past and what happened to her and they are saying she is too much I swear to god holy fuck
i wouldn't give it a 0/10 i mean a few where correct that they did personally not many though but i completely agree with you if i had to rate it i would give it probably 2-4/10
I agree that this vid is trash but u could of found a better way than trying blame Vi & Cait by saying “she messed up jinx” as if jinx holds no accountability, or “they felt no remorse for her” cut it out… Vi isn’t the reason she blew the council either.. again cut that out.. She still did deal with those abandonment issues by herself “if it wasn’t for silco” is cap he ain’t do anything to help with it he just let it rock. Projecting ur insecurities onto the kid wont help them ..Vi called her a jinx yes but to just eat up every word jinx says & agree & say Vi turned her into who she is now is ridiculous. Thats jinx perspective not the overall perspective. Its one thing to counter someone & say “y’all didn’t even watch the show” but when u also u bring in ur points & they all don’t add up either, it begs the question to think that u actually have the nerve to call someone out for something & do the same thing they do that would have people asking “did u even watch the show urself?”
@@lemarcash I have a feeling you don't understand people with mental illness. Jinx is very mentally ill especially as a child so anything she did literally was out of her control and she only had the best intentions to save her sister and her family. When Vi reacted the way she did when she was the only person Jinx had left it ruined Jinx even more, especially if Vi had just took Powder and ran to avoid Silco and then she could've yelled at her then, but at least they would have been together. Vi should have known that Silco would have come down to finish the job with herself, so when she left Powder to cry by herself that is what ultimately separated them. We could go back even further however and say it was jayces fault for even having those magic crystals illegally, and he is an adult that can take full accountability, unlike jinx who was a child. And after everything when jinx grew up she had to constantly feel guilt which will make you go insane, and finally reuniting with her sister is what she wanted so she could be powder again, but she doesn't need to pretend to be someone she isn't. When the world betrayed her and turned her into the monster she is, she isn't going to stand by and just let those people not get the consequences that they deserve, causing her to shoot the council and avenge what silco has worked for his entire life, even though he gave it up to save jinx, because as silco said, jinx is perfect, and everyone else betrays them.
@@Catakrit No i understand it.. what u don’t understand is saying “Vi should have done this or Vi should have known” is unfair especially if u give powder the pass and say shes a child while Vi is also yk the other child.. it makes no sense to keep powder in the clear and then hold most of the accountability towards vi, thats just a ridiculous take all together, I could easily say powder should have just stayed home but u would counter it by saying “She just wanted to help, shes just a child, Vi always let her come” i don’t blame powder since i understand her but when u say “yea i cant blame her but.. Vi” thats where u already messed up cause ur just going out of ur way to justify one kids actions by blaming it on another kid.. yk the reason y’all get mad in the first place when a reactor blames a kid but yall retaliate the same thats why its wild to me & why i said u could have gone about a better way with what u said u to begin with instead blaming Vi
Jinx has to be on top, far from being in the same tier as Mylo... she is the HUGE factor in the story, killed Silco, started the war, almost killed Cait, Vi's motivation, Silco's motivation, Jayce's motivation.
After watching this video, I thought everyone hated all the characters I liked, until I read the comments.
jinx is the show lol
Ikr
literally
Jinx clearly is the best
Jinx is pantheon for me, but watever
Vi on top 😤😤
"Jinx was too predictable"
So I guess they predicted that...
-Jinx wanted to kill herself and ARGUABLY Ekko as well
-Jinx would kill Silco on instinct
-Steal the new stabilized crystal that Jayce & Viktor had just presented for Heimerdinger
-Use said crystal to shoot a big rocket into the council with multiple important characters in it
-Use the flair that Vi gave her in episode 3
-Use a swarm of firefly bombs to kill off Marcus
The most predictable thing about Jinx is that she gets injected with shimmer, but apart from that... I wouldn't say she was predictable lol
@@thefab0075I understand your frustration, I feel it too. I agree with other people saying that Jinx is « cool », « complex », « well-written » etc. But Vi? I love everything about her, especially as a character, a person. She’s got such a good heart, everything she does is out of good intentions. While Jinx? She was a villain for quite some time.. until mid season 2 where she became a better person. And again, BOTH of them have traumas and went through shit. So people should stop using the traumas as an excuse for Jinx’s bad actions. She’s made mistakes and they can’t be justified. BUT when it comes to « which character is the most well written? » I’m gonna go with Jinx.
Can we get unbiased people for the next ranking? Most of you are emotional and closed-minded as hell.
Yes Viktor the man who lied and did illegal things and kept them hidden.
Lol.
We don't see the daughter father relationship.
The first time we see them they are legit silco handling jinx in a bad mental state.
Sigh I have to dislike this video cause they have shit views.
@@lolicongang.4974 I wouldn't go as far as disliking the video, but it definitely felt like they didn't pay attention to the show :
@@anhuro8558 that's worth disliking the video lol.
If they don't understand it then they shouldn't review it.
Like when people don't know someone name.
Like they are working that hard.
...says the one who is emotional and close-minded about other people's harmless opinions...
Saying Silco is the same character from episode 1 to episode 9 is insane. I strongly disagree with that assessment.
Put Mel in S, Put Jinx in A? I mean...
I'm with Lily - I was mostly invested in Vi and Caitlyn's story, not Jinx.
Another bunch of Jayce haters, lol.
Who isn't. Just a weasel of a character.
@@AsirIset bullsh*t.
For Jayce, I like the writing of his character, but I just don't like him
@@riymeep6708 Fair, I don't even particularily like the writing, as he was mainly drifting around the story without any purpose - doing what others wanted of him. Zero agency, and a hugely unlikable character.
@@AsirIset you sound like a man-child. Grow up.
Disrespecting my boy Claggor
I'm just going to say there list sucks for me at least
Heimerdinger was around for 3 centuries not 7 and he built the entire city of piltover from the ground up.
Interesting video. 👍
I feel like the last round where each of you picks an already placed character and moves it, should be instead each of you picks an already placed character and subjects it to a vote between all 4 of you.
This Yinsu lady really out here being wrong all the time. by making false arguments. 1:57 says you never saw an actual relationship despite the show very well establishing what his bond between them are in so many scenes they have together.
She also dislikes things because she saw types of character relationships that didn’t actually exist. 2:13 She disliked Silco because what she thought he had the hots for Jinx? Like if that’s why you dislike him that’s because you invented it. You saw something that didn’t exist, & said it was bad because of it. Great job. 😒
2:38 The stupidest thing you’ve said so far, so first of all, the implication that you have to change in order to be a good character is just wrong. You can have a static character get into infinite situations, & never get bored. These types of characters have existed since the beginning of film. What do you think Looney Tunes are? Completely static characters that are only continuously entertaining because you constantly see them in different situations, & after all that you’re just wrong with the statement that he never changes, because he changes by understanding who Vander ended up being when he gets the same choice to give up his kid to possibly help the cause, but can’t. What do you think that scene is with him sitting by Vanders statue, where he says “It all makes sense now brother.” *pours one out on the Vander statue, then nods to it.* “Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?” That entire scene is him understanding Vanders choices back in episode 3, & discovers an understanding with Vander for a decision he before judged him negatively for by not giving up the children.
Like man it’s actually insane, Yinsu so confidently says these blatant 1 sentences claims, & statements casually, & it’s so jarring. I question how much she paid attention sometimes, like this is your job, & here you are clearly not knowing what you’re talking about.
Then you start just saying negative things about Jayce, & basically just saying he was frustrating, & I didn’t care about him. Wow thanks, so thorough. You really convinced me why he’s not an actual good character, despite having incredibly good character writing in most of his scenes.
Then you do the same thing with Singed, like “Oh he’s interesting, I want to know more about him. we’ll put him here” That’s nothing, explain why you like him please!!
5:16 Then you say you hate Heimerdinger because he didn’t do anything for 700 years?!?! & only cared about himself?!? What do you mean? So first of all that’s more than twice of his life span!! What was he supposed to do when he wasn’t fucking alive?!? He’s 314 years old by the end of this show. Did you just get the ages wrong? So you got mad at the show because you again invented something that didn’t actually happen, & said that’s why he sucks. Great another example of stupidity. 😒
You also apparently think he only cares about himself despite his whole goal to help the people of piltover, & not have huge genocides caused by the power of magic, & your reasoning for this is because he never tells what actually happened?!??! I’m sorry as if that claim, & piece of info are remotely connected, & first of all that event is something everyone already knows in the universe. It’s not like this event is something that only Heimerdinger knows ever happened. He was just the one that lived through it, & has the most trauma, & it is what built his choices on not wanting to mess with the power of magic. He constantly wants to make sure Hextech is properly working before giving it to the public because he specifically doesn’t want people to be harmed. How can you say he’s selfish after that? What was your brain doing when those scenes happened? How do you come to such an incorrect conclusion that is so blatantly wrong?
Did you pay attention, & watch the show you’re talking about? Did you even take notes before making so many blatantly wrong claims?!? I’ve never been on this channel before, & I gotta say, a terrible first impression. My goodness I’m about 5:49 in, & I don’t want to watch more of this vid. It physically hurts to hear people talk about a topic that I have a lot of positive investment in, and be so negatively incorrect about it. I’m Done. I’m not finishing this vid, & I hope after this it’s clear why.
Bye.
Just ty
I- idk what show you guys watched but wow, what is this-
Caitlyn gets put in pantheon for being Vi's girlfriend but Jinx, the best and most complex character on the whole show, gets put with MILO??? Lets be real here, Jinx deserves her own section above pantheon, she is one of the most well written characters..ever
You literally said "wait, powder is Jinx?' like did you even watch the show? And "they should explore Silco more in season 2" Wtf Silco died in the season finale, again, did you watch the show?
"We don't see the relationship" WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. Like another comment said, "literally the first interaction between Jinx and Silco after the time skip is Silco handling jinx in a bad mental state." We see Silco's love for Jinx and how that shapes him into someone who would do anything for his goals, who questioned why Vander wouldn't give up Vi for the cause, to someone who said "is there anything more undoing than a daughter." Silco definitely belongs in the pantheon tier, he's an extremely well written character, tf do you mean "no progression of his character," you put a COUNCILLOR WITH 3 LINES IN THE SAME TIER AS SILCO
I can't even get thought the rest of the video-
6:12 I (bangs desk) 100 PERCENT (bangs desk) AGREE!!!!!!! (bangs desk one more time) Ekko is AWESOME
So jinx is predictable yet she's.. too much at the same time? Tbh I love caitlyn but she didn't change much throughout the series but she gets a pass for being Vi's girlfriend but Jinx who is a damn near perfect representation of trauma and ptsd and is very relatable and a loved character gets put in the same tier as Mylo who you said yourself, was just made to develope Vi and Powder. The math isn't mathing. And I find it hard to believe that you were watching the tea party scene not sitting at the edge of your seat in sweat and tears wondering what's Jinx is gonna do. And if you really wanna go with "jinx is predictable" then we can say the same thing with vi. When vi is stressed she's not good with words, she uses her fists, and she leaves. We see that so many times in the series. Jinx, yes when people leave her many times and talk about betraying her, she's gonna think that they are going to leave and betray her. She's gonna feel like she's not enough. The whole second and third act were pretty much driven by Jinx and the pretty much everything with Vi and Caitlyn wouldn't have happened without Jinx. Jinx should be in pantheon.
Honestly Nick cooked with Mylo. My boy deserves better
What tf is caitlin doing above jinx? She's literally the best character from the show. Caitlin being above her is just outrageous considering that she did'nt even contribute much to the show
So mylo is on the same level as jinx? He was just on the show for just 2 seasons
I was agreeing with you all until you guys putted jayce in good and not great we all know he's not on pare with the other mc's but he was a great character.
A lot of the time it felt like they were judging based on how much they liked the character, not based on their relevance and impact on the show. Like, just because you don't like Marcus for causing bad stuff to happen, doesn't mean he was a bad character...
Yeah... this ranking was shit.
"Oh the show doesn't spoon feed you the backstory of each character, and I have to guess and pay attention to details? Fck that put them in low tier charachters". That is just lazy show analisys. Poor Parkes
IKR thats exactly what the did smh. I'm wondering if they even watched the show
You're not a smarter or better person for liking other things than the person next to you
broo silco grows so much from the first episode wtff
Jinx not top tier bad list disliked
WTF jinx ???
Hating a character does not mean they're bad. This is more of a likable characters tier list.
This people don't really now what they are talking about it wasn't that bad until jinx part she is one of the greatest characters of all times like the backstory the pain everything she went through all show is about her if you think about it she just wanted to be worthy,loved, and feel like someone needed her and you guys said that omg, and her relationship with Silco is so more interesting then Vander with vi cus like Silco saw him in jinx situation bc of what Vander did to him and the way he manipulated her is because he was afraid that she would leave him behind for vi, and he would never leaved jinx even if he was manipulating her he would always be by her side and after all that's what jinx kinda needed someone who wasn't gonna leave her and needed her their relationship was toxic but at the same time beautiful, Vander relationship with vi it was kinda simple but good, but jinx and Silco so more complex so more interesting how can you say that please omg am just so choked about your decision am not even gonna talk about himerdinguer and sky cus putting them there just proves you guys need to watch the show again and know more about the lore behind it
Ima say it, Echo has the Best character arc.
Silco should be in S tier and to left vander Silco was badass I show voice actor did wonderful job a Bring out this character The writing was also good and jayce should be in A or B tier
Yes! Best boy, Viktor for the win! 🙌
This is a wrong tier list
wow lol a character that makes or breaks a show is a character that is taken from the storyline and everything falls apart. Jinx is THE character. every scene she had in arcane was memorable. u put caitlin in a higher rank than JINX? wowzers u guys do realize she was the main character right? but then again u guys calling her "joker" or harley quinn" truly shows ur lack of depth. honestly half ur pantheon got put there because they appealed to ur gay vibes.
Pantheon for me was- Silco Jinx Ekko Mel Viktor
Great was- Singed Vi Vander Mel's mom Caitlin
good- Grayson Mylo Benzo Marcus Sevika
Indifferent Jayce Claggor Sky Heimendinger
Okay okay okay so you are saying that you don’t like the show Bc the show was about jinx’s development and what happened to her. You are saying she is predictable when you don’t even know that powder and jinx are the same and putting Caitlyn on the top but not the main character and the best viewer shiped person on the top, trust me I like Caitlyn but she is not super sure about everything can’t do to much and knows that much we’re jinx has the best problems and gives adrenaline to the show you guys made me so mad like god holy fuck. Her ptsd and trauma her development and stuff you clearly can’t see old go rewatch it and actually know what you are talking about
"Hex before sex." 😂😂😂😂😂
my favorite character is vi
Me too!
I agreed with the list a little but then pick #29 made me furious. How dare you say Jinx isn’t Pantheon. She was the best character in this show and she had so much complexity to her character and psychology. But other than that a good list. Also how did you not know Powder was Jinx. Also how dare you Lily for putting Silco in good tier.
Vi and Caitlyn in the Pantheon is really all that matters.
Although I agree Vi especially is a phenomenal character, they didn't explain AT ALL why they put them there...
With jinx too
Is this satire?
Caitlyn is great, silco and jinx should be at the pantheon.
i dont agree with yinsus opinion, i think silco's develepment was reasly well fucking done and come on! harmedeiger isnt THAT bad, i just think that the series only thinks of him as A CIENTIST
edit: o so ekko is pantheon, of course.... i have NEVER disagreed more in a ranking video than this one
Hex before sex lmao
I agree with the placements other than silco and jinx but it’s not my video and the video was great :)
Jinx is not in top tier for a reason, so you get tons of comments :)) , including mine
JINX GREAT ? but mel beats her very interesting hmm 🤔 even silco says it better "she's perfect" and he's not even a real person
finally some one said it that Vi is a much more better character then Jinx. for me personally they should focus on Vi more in the next season the story of jinx is pretty much the same from that ;oint on unless Vi can change her back to powder some how
I don’t think that it is fair that Caitlyn who is in a better top tier then jinx Bc they show was about jinx and her back story and when you want jinx to be back as powder who always was a bit under vi. I don’t think you got it to right Bc jinx is phenomenal with her ptsd and trauma and how she is acting Bc when she was a little girl she could do nothing now she has this development we’re she is super strong and vi is still the same person. But In the next season it will be focused on JINX and vi getting together again
Caitlyn in S tier? Yeah this channel is a joke
It's a good list, the only change I will make is putting Jinx in the pantheon and Silco in the shadow realm😁
When are we going to see Silco in League of Legends 👀??
He won't come to Leauge, but he will come to Teamfight Tactics mid-set update (set 6.5). It is not confirmed what his ability/animations and traits will be like, though
I dont understand Victor... I found him boring and annoying
Seriously Jayce and Jinx belong to the pantheon. They are good characters who are only misguided. Jinx has a split personality and Jayce has much responsibility which can lead to pressure. How the hell can you like unimportant side characters more than Jayce?
Tf is jinx in great and not on the top, Mel is on the top but jinx no?! Pls go watch the show again wtf
Echo
i can't understand how you place them, is it by how lovable they are, because if that's the case what the fuck Singed do in Great and if that's by how great of a character they are how can Greyson be higher than Marcus... you seem to be inconsistant with your choice
in any case Viktor is top tier all the time, greatest and most lovable character,
also, 1 question: why everyone want Silco in the game, but nobody talk about the other non-champion above him, for me it seems clear he's objectively a top tier character
ekko best character and jinx getting screentime is annoying
Hun the show is about her go find another show if you don’t like the meaning of this show
I said what I said
I love how almost no one likes their horrible review.
L tier list
Things we want:
Silco in League of Legends
Viktor in a trash bin
Silco will come to TFT, but not League unfortunately
Why do you dislike Viktor, though?
Viktor is an amazing character. Silco was just kinda "there" for me. I don't care if Viktor's experiments and beliefs are questionable, his intentions are still good in a way, even if what he does isn't classified as moral by most people.
jinx is sasuke and
that one black eye guy is orochimaru
Viktor's move was all I needed, I'm sold, perfect list.
Glad I'm not the only one who had that first impression of Jinx and Silco!
Can agree with this list for the most part. Do find it hilarious as some in the comments have gone so far as to say that differing opinions must mean that folks didn't watch the same show they did. Guess in their logic their OPINION is the only correct one and others don't have the same equality in....OPINIONS LMAO!
the thing is they're entirely inconsistent with the way they made the tierlist. putting some characters lower because they're not fleshed out but then putting mylo over silco, which the latter was completely fleshed out and an integral part of jinx's development.
@@f.c.4549 They interpreted those characters differently and they have the right to do so
@@GweniKeks yeah I'm fine if they interpret the characters differently, it's just that they are entirely inconsisten between each character. The double standards of one character being ranked high for "not changing" and another character for "changing too much"