The fact that Allan Dulles (The Ex director of the CIA that Kennedy fired) was the lead investigator on the Warren commission is a HUGE conflict of interest.
Joe knows that it’s not his field of expertise either. Just gives his opinion on the matter. Don’t know if that’s what you’re saying or if you’re just talking about the Brit
We can handle watching his brains blown all over the back of the Limo, but we can't handle reading the report on what really happened; because" It might hurt the family"
@@kellyraesibayan6223 yeah, cheers. I'm watching it now. I had to Google it, and have proof who I was and that I was over 18 before I could watch it. Which is strange because I have a UA-cam premium account. There always hiding this sh#t..
Joe Rogan 100%. This was the event that truly opened my eyes of how shady and corrupt the government can be learning for myself not just hearsay when you stack up all the evidence it just doesn't add up to the official story
"...In order to meet its obligations fully, the Commission has investigated each rumor and allegation linking Oswald to a conspiracy which has come to its attention, regardless of source. In addition, the Commission has explored the details of Lee Harvey Oswald's activities and Page 244 life, especially in the months immediately preceding the assassination, in order to develop any investigative lead relevant to the issue of conspiracy. All of Oswald's known writings or other possessions which might have been used for code or other espionage purposes have been examined by either the Federal Bureau of Investigation or the National Security Agency, or both agencies, to determine whether they were so used.1 In setting forth the results of this investigation, the first section of this chapter reviews the facts related to the assassination itself, previously considered in more detail in chapter IV. If any conspiracy did exist, it might have manifested itself at some point during Oswald's preparation for the shooting, his execution of the plan, or his escape from the scene of the assassination. The Commission has therefore studied the precise means by which the assassination occurred for traces of evidence that Oswald received any form of assistance in effecting the killing."...-The Warren Report-
1 of many!! …you also have CIA agent Oliver North trafficking cocaine into the US to fund the contras with the war in Nicaragua , and the CIA killing Enrique Kiki Camarena a DEA agent because he was getting close to outing the CIA working with the Guadalajara cartel using there airstrips to refuel and train contra soldiers … it gets deep!! Smh
Governments have been corrupt since the dawn of time emperors, kings, presidents, prime ministers they’re all human. I mean even your job is corrupt, you cut corners and do things you shouldn’t do get the job done, why think the jobs of leaders are any different. I’m not calling you dumb or arguing with you I’m just saying, common sense would tell you they’re corrupt you don’t need to see a president get his brains blown all over his wife to realize humans are hypocritical selfish creatures.
Its funny how people like West and Skeptic Magazine Shermer are only skeptical and apply their logical faculties to non guvz approved narratives - they're naturally skeptical about Bigfoot, The Yeti, Tooth fairies, aliens etc. (as they should be)... BUT when it comes to JFK, building sleven c0ll@pse etc. (and the clear indicators that the official story is deeply flawed), THAT is when they disable their skepticism and brains 😂 Something is very off here lol Either they're being purposely obtuse and actively trying to not get into trouble because they have access / careers / families to protect OR they're just not as bright as they think they are and are the victims of a sizable cognitive dissonance they are just unable to correct for. Not easy to tell.
That’s what they all do. 1) deny the conspiracy 2) present alternative theory 3) admit you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about and so you can’t comment on the conspiracy
2:56 I LOVE how Joe isn't afraid to call a person out and interrupt them if they're completely wrong. I really love how that is something that he can do without feeling like he's doing something wrong.
But Joe is an ass hat jacketed round nose bullets actually don't deform much and his sole source of what bullets do is based on hunting, you dont use FMJ bullets for hunting you use hollow points. Joe is a meat head douch bag and talks out of his ass way more than he actually knows what health is talking about.
So if you debunk "conspiracies" you are a skeptic, but if you question/debunk official narratives you are a "conspiracy theorist" Am I missing something?
Yes you are missing something-It isthe definition of the word debunk...If you actually debunk a narrative then that does not make you a skeptic nor a theorist? Why? Look up the meaning of the word debunk that is where you are answer lies.Debunking Flat earth theory does not make you a skeptic... I urge you to look up the definition of debunk.
verb (used with object) 1. to expose or excoriate (a claim, assertion, sentiment, etc.) as being pretentious, false, or exaggerated: to debunk advertising slogans.
While Joe is incorrect about the _"Magic Bullet"_ ricocheting off the underpass, he's spot-on about how the impact with multiple bones will result in a huge amount of deformation of the bullet. He's also correct about more bullet fragments were pulled out of Governor Connolly, than were missing from the _"Magic Bullet."_ Re: The notion of not being able to make the shot with the Mannlicher-Carcano, which was eventually claimed as the murder weapon... What Joe isn't aware of, is that even the FBI had to admit that in order for anyone to use that specific scope in that specific rifle, they would have needed to use a shim, in order to accommodate the mounting screws. The scope's mounting screws were long enough, so that when the scope was mounted without a shim, the screws protruded sufficiently into the chamber, so as to prevent the bolt action from chambering a round. The only way to do it without a shim, would be to chamber the round first; then mount the scope; and then aim & fire. Doing it this way would make it 100% impossible to get off more than 1 shot, because by the time anyone managed to chamber another round, the target would be gone. It also goes without saying that the Zapruder film confirmed the kill shot came from the front. That too, eliminates the Oswald-Lone Gunman theory.
I would've thought that a bullet going through a skull would've shown much more damage basically what we're all thinking a mangled up bullet, but it's actually not the case this round depending on jacketing and velocity and some other things actually has a very good chance coming out looking a whole lot better than you'd think, just as untouched/pretty looking as that bullet! I'm not touching the whole conspiracy or making an opinion I'm saying that bullet will not always come out mangled like you'd think and there's a chance that the bullet shown is actually the one!
@@daltiejul he's correct about bullets hitting bones and distorting, however saying that bullets look like that if you shoot them into water is so wrong. surface tension and high speed detroys the bullet more than a concrete wall. Also as Joe said bullets do unexpected things which means you cant say anything with certainty.
he's correct about bullets hitting bones and distorting, however saying that bullets look like that if you shoot them into water is so wrong. surface tension and high speed detroys the bullet more than a concrete wall. Also as Joe said bullets do unexpected things which means you cant say anything with certainty.
@@viktorsalingre7228 some bones, yes. The skull maybe not. There is tests done on this that caliber at that speed may have not shown much if any damage. I've seen the ballistic test on it, I would've thought different as well.
He's not correct on ANY of those points. The amount of lead extracted from (and remaining in) Connelly was perfectly consistent with the weight of the stretcher bullet. That bullet only struck glancing blows at Connelly's rib and wrist (not head-on) and thus was not heavily deformed.
Imagine how dumb they are for thinking this would convince anybody. Exhibit #9999 why talented people don't work for the government. The people who hold the fate of humanity in their hands with nukes/wars/every horrible thing you can think of are dummies with unlimited money and superiority complexes
I'm actually currently studying advanced ballistics and I can attest to the fact that a bullet will DRASTICALLY deform upon impact with rigid surfaces, such as bone. And even in the extremely unlikely circumstances that the bullet passed through soft flesh, as Joe stated, the round would have deformed with impact with the wrist. And even if in the impossibility that the bullet hits no bone, IT WOULD STILL DEFORM when it lodges itself in the damn car. The idea that a bullet would impact into a vehicle in such pristine condition is absurd to me.
Paul Landis just said he pulled the bullet from the back of JFK's seat. 60yrs and he finally comes forward. He put the bullet on JFK's gurney, not Connally's. That bullet looks exactly what I would expect from a 6.5mm round nosed 161gr clipping a transverse process of the spine, which then lodged in the seat. If it hit Connally's ribs, it would have had more nose deformation. Connally's chest injury is consistent with a round that fragmented.
Where do you come up with this crap!!! I can go up to any rifle butts and dig up hundreds of undeformed slugs from the earth there. Things changed when frangable rounds came into use, such as the AR15 round that hit Kennedy in the back of his head , fragmenting inside and bursting out above Kennedy's right eye. the 6.5 round fired by Oswald hit Kennedy in the low neck mark and erupted through his throat then on to Fat Connolly .
100% The final head shot came from the front. 1. The Zapruder film shows his head going back 2. It blew a piece of his brain onto the back of the limo that Jackie crawled back to retrieve 3. Jackie handed the piece of brain to the doctor at the hospital. If the shot came from the rear, everything would have gone forward. There were also holes in the limo, a bullet hit under the underpass, bullets came from 3 directions. It was a triangular kill zone.
@@stephennicholson1263 that theory has been blown out the water quite a bit, Jackie was crawling on the trunk to retrieve a big piece of his brain and skull, which she handed to the ER Dr later on. Now if driver had killed him, don’t ya think that the one agent coming up onto the back of the car would’ve killed him ( the driver) ? In several interviews he’s stated that he knew the driver hadn’t done it. Man we aren’t ever gonna know the whole truth other than the fact that they killed a sitting President in broad daylight. That takes huge balls !
@@stephennicholson1263 yeah I’ve seen the video slowed down. I agree it does look like something flies out of the car like a shell being ejected from a gun. It’s one of those historical events that we as ordinary people won’t ever be told the truth. Seems like all the witnesses and people involved have all ended up dead. So there’s something with that !
I don’t believe that Jackie was going to grab his skull,I think that she was trying to get out of there. Then the agent jumped on the back and they sped away
@@tomking7080 sadly we’ll never know exactly what they were doing. God knows the mind says flee and the Agents training said to cover for sure. The only reason I mentioned the part about the skull was I saw a documentary with one of the Drs from Parkland and he said she handed him the piece of skull/brain matter she’d retrieved off the back of the limo. That’s all. But I couldn’t imagine being in that situation, you have no clue where to dip too.
I have two main problems with the Warren Commission: 1. Hoover did state that (I'm paraphrasing) the commission should find that Oswald was the only shooter. If this isn't "confirmation bias", it will do until the real thing comes along. 2. If Oswald really was just a "lone nut", I see NO reason to keep any part of this crime secret let alone "classifying" it as "top secret". Here's a video that you might be interested in that does a good job of recreating the "magic bullet" shot. ua-cam.com/video/PZRUNYZY71g/v-deo.html
"....The Commission has found no evidence that either Lee Harvey Oswald or Jack Ruby was part of any conspiracy, domestic or foreign, to assassinate President Kennedy. The reasons for this conclusion are: (a) The Commission has found no evidence that anyone assisted Oswald in planning or carrying out the assassination. ... (b) The Commission has found no evidence that Oswald was involved with any person or group in a conspiracy to assassinate the President, although it has thoroughly investigated,... (c) The Commission has found no evidence to show that Oswald was employed, persuaded, or encouraged by any foreign government to assassinate President Kennedy or that he was an agent of any foreign government..." -The Warren Report-
It is obvious to anyone with an open mind that most documents were kept secret because they contained info that tangentially concerned the assassination but directly concerned other issues and agents that the government didn't want to disclose at the time. Alas, some people are going to see only what they want to see.
Why don’t people just ask “If you shoot someone from up and behind, how does their head go BACKWARDS when shot?” That alone prevents me from accepting any “official” report.
Agreed! I've never had anyone explain that to me either. It's definitely something that gets lost in translation. That's a major factor into my thinking of it being a set up. But I'm just a regular dude in America. What do I know right
@@reggieisdabest25 I asked about it in middle school when we were learning about it and I was kicked out of class. I never spoke up about it in school again. The look on my teachers face was confusion and anger. Idk if she believed the narrative or what but she did NOT like me pointing out the obvious. Lol
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I believe the third shot was done by accident by a secret service agent. The secret service had just been issued M-16 rifles. I believe that the agent was trying to get the weapon up and mis-fired striking Kennedy in the head. The film showing the strike to the head and the fact that small fragments of a bullet were found leads me to believe the third hit on Kennedy was from a 5.56 round.
True but it you are struck on the right side of your head, then your movement would be to the left, now the car was starting to accelerate causing the backward movement.@dig.dog.ranger
@Piotruś Scw he did that because the thing jamie was talking about was a sponsor of jre, and Joe almost lost them as a sponsor because Jamie said something like "i don't like it, its weird"
Governor John Connally's account of the assassination shows that the single bullet theory is false if you compare it with the Zapruder film. This is something that I really only noticed recently. Connally said that when he heard the first shot, he turned to the right to see where the shot came from. He stated that when he was turning back to the left, facing forward, he felt an impact to his back, throwing him forward. He noticed he was covered with blood and realized he had been shot. His wife then pulls him down into her lap. Seems straight forward, and everything. At least that's what I always assumed. I figured the shot through Kennedy's back and through his throat entered Connally's back, exited his chest, hit his thigh, and wrist. Ok, sounds reasonable I guess, right? I never thought anything of it, until I actually compared Connally's account with the Zapruder film itself. This is where it gets interesting. The Zapruder film shows that Kennedy was shot in the back BEFORE Connally turned to the right. Connaly, according to his own account hadn't been shot yet, but Kennedy is hunched forward clutching his neck. Therefore, that shot DIDN'T hit Connally. So where did the bullet that exited Kennedy's neck go? If you watch the Zapruder film, at the moment Kennedy reacts to the throat wound, Connally's jacket collar flap seems to flip up. Perhaps the bullet exited Kennedy's throat, passed through Connally's jacket collar flap and either ended up in a car seat back or perhaps the front windshield of the car. Some witnesses claim they saw a bullet hole in the windshield. The bullet could have then struck the curb by the overpass. Now Connaly turns to his left, which is the moment he claimed he felt the shot to his back. He states he felt something like a fist slamming into his back, which threw him forward. When you look at the Zapruder film, this happens at the exact instant that Kennedy is shot in the head, not in his back. Could the bullet that hit Kennedy in the head be the one that also hit Connally? I don't know. The bullet trajectory doesn't seem to line up. But Connally was definitely shot at the same time as Kennedy's head shot. No doubt about it. Therefore, the single bullet theory is definitely false. Do your own comparison and you will see what I mean.
Those guys are literally the worst they say "You stupid conspiracy theorists, you believe everything if it fits your narrative and neglect all the counter arguments." Meanwhile they literally do the same thing.
Conspiracy "THEORY" = Bad! Single bullet "THEORY" = Good! Do the math. Take away the the word theory from both equations, all you've got left is an argument made by lone-nut-nuts. Why is the phrase "conspiracy theorist" a pejorative, while "single bullet theorist" perfectly reasonable? Ain't they BOTH theories?
m.ua-cam.com/video/yzyw7AcHbuY/v-deo.html And penn and teller aren’t the only ones to prove it. It’s been shown to be true countless times, theres even a Nobel prize laureate in physics who done it with human skulls and some matter for brain, nova showed the video. Always goes back toward the shooter.
@@kilroywuzhere1 I don’t think you could’ve gone down an internet rabbit hole in 1992. Maybe it’s just me ? Read the guy’s comment in full before making an assumption.
The assassination happened BEFORE 1992. (btw, I'm not dumb, just the BIGGEST conspiracy theorist of them all!) Nah, just kidding! ... May I ask where you stand most confidently on any of the subtopics of this subject? Would love to know...
I thought the reason they shoot into water tanks when they do ballistic tests is because they stay intact and they're able to tell which gun it was fired from, I could be wrong but that's what I thought.
When I learned about the fine details of Operation Northwoods, I immediately realized that the ‘big three’ conspiracy theories were true. It was real watershed moment for me.
Actually Mick is correct... Brandon Hererra shot a ballistic dummy straight in the jaw bone and thru gel and into water jugs (all 1 bullet) and it looked exactly like the "Magic Bullet" slightly deformed but not mushroomed or fragmented. With that said I do NOT believe the official narrative... just happened to catch that video and it blew my mind (no pun intended).
Ken Hasibar if you watch the footage frame by frame his head actually goes forward for a split second, then snaps back due to restrictions of his clothing.
@@kinggrizzly1916 They can put up numerous explanations but they are simply too many holes in their story. Why did the doctors at parkland hospital feel that the bullet had been shot from the front ? Why was the brain missing during the autopsy in Washington dc ? The magic bullet theory sounds very childish. How can a bullet can cause 7 wounds while breaking multiple bones and veins in two men and still remain intact ? They also found a bullet casing in 1987 at the grassy knoll. I am 17 years old now and I hope to live long enough to see the truth being revealed.
A full metal jacket is meant to stay pristine. It goes in and out. It was created because of the Geneva convention. It’s meant to take a soldier off the field. Problem is… the kill shot was frangeable bullet. Meaning it exploded on impact… it was intended to do the most damage. Not a full metal jacket. The thing is Howard Donahue… a ballistics expert and gunsmith was asked to look at the ballistics from the Warren report and write a something supporting it. He agreed. But as he looked at it and studied it… he saw that the trajectory didn’t work for the kill shot. He deduced that the kill shot could only have come from the back and left… his study pointed to the secret service trailing car where a new secret service man with a newly introduced ar15 fell backwards when the car sped up after the first shot.
1:23 hes kinda right. Theres no way that was the bullet. Way to intact. I mean you can see the marks from the rifling but it looks like they retrieved the bullet from some pillows
There's a video on UA-cam where they fire the same Bullet From the same gun into the end of a pine log. The bullet goes over 2 ft. When they dig the bullet out it pretty much looks the same as when it left the gun. Full Metal Jacket bullets are combat rounds designed to go through doors walls, and still kill.
Of the several marksmen that tried to replicate Oswald's three shots, only one managed to do it. Donahue was only successful on his "third" try. So he also has said on record he does not believe Oswald could have fired all three shots successfully. Another point to consider about the magic bullet theory is if this bullet did in fact go through both men and struck bone twice along the way and remained in such pristine condition, should we not expect the bullet that struck the president's head to survive the impact in similar condition? With that in mind, should not the trajectory be somewhat predictable? If so, where did that bullet go after impact? Should it not have struck the interior of the limousine somewhere?
There are actually two possibilities. The window was "cracked" near rear view mirror which had a lead smear or particles on inside. The interior chrome strip over the windshield was also hit with what appears to be the nose of a bullet. Did the head shot break apart and bullet nose hits chrome strip and tail frag hits windshield? It's plausible, and that's the SS FBI adjustment of evidence to fit this scenario. I would expect any damage to limo from head shot would align with the view from Sixth floor window to limo at z313 as seen through the scope of rifle in Shaneyfelt and Fraziers recreation. Back would should exit JFKs chest about nipple height. (As was shown in a History Channel reenactment,,, which they edited out but outakes are on youtube) Anyways the fragments or whole bullets should have struck seats of floor but instead are 'nearly exiting' the car! If a pristine bullet hits both Kennedy and Connally and is nearly pristine after seven wounds and crushing solid bones and is only slightly ovaled ... and is missing its copper jacketed base!!!! Where the hell is the base of 399. Was this CE399 bullet the head shot that loses its 6.5mm base and this is scene on anterior ap Xrays of JFKs skull? It's odd to say the least. Or did 399 strike a limb tumble and enter backwards into Kennedy's back taking a punched out piece of coat/shirt into the wound at a downward angle stopping after bruised top of lung not penitration of pleural cavity as seen by probe through back wound into chest cavity during autopsy So did base/primer fragment of 399 enter the same back wound already detached from 399 and surfs upward to exit JFKs trachea puncture both layers of his shirt collar leaving vertical slits and then leaves an oval shaped horizontal abrasion on the extreme left side of Kennedy's ties knot. Did the copper base of 399 make these wounds and damaged clothing in this way and exited vehicle? The necessary trajectory for these bullet strikes and multiple wounds still doesn't align with a TSBD Sixth floor sniper. The autopsy of jfk was clear that there was to be no probing or dissection of neck wound.... really!!! Have you seen the Bethesda neck wound... it's no tracheostomy over a 5mm hole... and what the heck happened to his right forehead. These wounds appear altered. So autopsy back probe did not exit throat. That's a concern. Add the claims of a bullet striking pavement behind limo early in shooting.(fire cracker) A bullet missing the limo later in sequence striking a curb at far end of Plaza a ricochet fragment striking James Tagues face. So to answer you have bullet hitting pavement Bullet hitting curb. Bullet hitting chrome strip. Bullet hitting windshield. If the bullets don't fit you must acquit.
@@icebergs411 I have discussed this assassination details with attorneys and authors on the subject. Your reply is one of the most comprehensive I have read so far. Great work! There is so much wrong with the magic bullet theory. First of all, do you know that this entire scenario is the product of one man's opinion? He was an attorney from Pennsylvania by the name of Arlen Spector. As we all know, attorneys are not necessarily interested in the truth. Their job is to convince a jury of what they say happened. If successful, this version of events will protect the attorney's client from prosecution. In this case, the client is the CIA, FBI, Secret Service, and many others. Spector was no ballistics expert, just another attorney trying to get his client off the hook. I have more to say about this. I will get back to you later.
@@icebergs411 If I remember correctly, it was claimed that CE399 was found on JFK's gurney on the first floor as Connally underwent surgery on the second floor of Parkland. How does this bullet find it's way from Connally's gurney back to JFK's? Magic bullet indeed. I'm sure you are aware that Dr. Humes burned his first draft of the autopsy, but are you aware that Humes was required to have all of his details and conclusions of the autopsy reviewed by Arlen Spector before they could be released? I found this information while reading the deposition of Dr. Humes.
@@vandan48 I have seen photos of a clean bullet hole through the windshield. Several witnesses, including two Dallas police officers, described the hole as "a bullet hole from the front". I also saw a photo of a damaged windshield molding at the of the windshield. Where can I see the photo you are speaking of? However, if a bullet that truck JFK hit any part of the windshield, the trajectory would not match that of the window in the TBD.
That being said… if the shot came from the back… why was Jackie trying to scoop his brains off the trunk? Seems the brains would have been all over Connolly.
Joe Rogan’s answer to this would be that bullets do strange things when they hit bone. While I agree that that’s possible, I think that there was a shooter from the front right of the presidential limousine, which is consistent with the shooter on the grassy knoll. For me, James Files gives a consistent account and I find him very credible. If Mr Files wasn’t the shooter on that hill, he must’ve had first hand information from the perpetrator.
The same people who killed the Kennedy brothers, did 9/11, the Jews and than Jackie & Carolyn got on all 4 for then men who killed them. Some women can never get enough of JEWelry
I agree, the head shot is an easy shot. However, the head shot after “2” previous shots from an old bolt action rifle at steep angles (the first “2”shots), under pressure, with tree branches in the way and then getting back on target for the final head shot is a different story.
There were no tree branches in the way by the third shot, and do you know how big that head would’ve been looking in a scope? It would’ve been pretty easy. And even easier and faster if he used the iron sights, which he may have done.
@@stewartj3407 You are correct, there were not tree branches in the way by his third shot which is what I indirectly said in the original post. The third shot could have easily been been done IF he hadn't fussed around with the first two shots. This required LHO to come off target two times due to cycling the bolt action and then get back on target for the final head shot. Not impossible, but.... It was a 4X scope and according to googled pictures of Oswald's view through a 4x scope it wouldn't of been that big at all, plus it was a moving target (~7mph away, but still moving). Lucky shot? Very possible.. I doubt we will ever know the truth. BTW- Carlos Hathcock (look him up if you don't know who he is) said this “I don’t know how many times we tried it, but we couldn’t duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did." Oswald was barely a Marksman in the Marines so if Hathcock and many other professional snipers like Craig Roberts couldn't do it I highly doubt Oswald could. I've been to Dealey Plaza and saw the angles. It is different in person and those angles are much steeper than any video will show, especially the first couple shots that would be taken. Like I said in my original post, the head shot ALONE wouldn't be that difficult in my opinion. It's that it's a follow-up shot to all the other shit that happened prior to it that makes it so difficult. So difficult that professional snipers couldn't do it.
@@hoosierhusker5868 barely a marksman? He scored sharpshooter the first time around! I don’t know if hathcock said that or not, but why should that hold any weight. The actual silver medalist from the olympics said it would be easy to do. Does that hold much weight with you? And the time he based that statement on is even wrong. You realize the Warren commission had it at 5.6 seconds right? Which was still possible, based on many independent experiments over the years. But now that has been proven to be way too low. The consensus is now its atleast 8.8 seconds. And if zapruder didn’t catch the full sequence it’s over 11 seconds. It was easily doable, plain and simple.
@@hoosierhusker5868 I really, really doubt that Hathcock was saying you couldn't fire 3 shots with a low-recoil bolt rifle with 66% accuracy at a slow-moving target around 75 yards away with perfect visibility in a span of 5.6 seconds from first shot to last.
those shots came from 2 different directions, possibly 2 different weapons. the first hitting him in the neck caused very little disturbance, quieter and less reaction from everyone, the head shot was high powered and caused a larger reaction..
I will go to my grave knowing I knew someone that worked in the FBI at the time of JFK's assassination, and she herself said she had doubts about what happened, including Hoover's actions around the time
The scope needed to be shimmed in order to be properly adjusted before making a shot; it didn’t get knocked out of sight adjustment from being handled. It’s in the report. In addition, the “magic bullet” was supposed to have passed through Kennedy, into Conleys back, shattered a rib, exited below his nipple, entered Conleys wrist, shattered a thick bone before exiting the opposite side of his arm and lodged in Conleys left inner thigh. People need to read the reports. It’s insane, Conleys doctor clearly wrote how he had to dig the projectile out of Conleys leg.
which is why they took so long to release those autopsy reports and other documents to the public. BUT, a whole lot of information is redacted. Making the public release of those documents pointless.
One, very simple argument against the "single bullet theory"...is the Zabruder film. You can easily see, the last shot, was from the side. Also, Oswald was not a marksman. He was rated as "Average" my the military. They really want us to believe, that an "Average" shooter, with a bolt-action rifle, following a target away from him, from a 4th story window, in an incredible stressed situation....picked off the back of a human skull...about 9in. x 9 in. ? Then we have the multiple accounts of people hearing a shot coming from behind the fence on the grassy knoll.
“It was only a *couple hundred yards* making that shot on a target the size of a human head is *easy!”* Years ago I hit an eight inch plate at 100 yards with a 1 MOA rifle and was really proud of myself. If the damn thing was moving and amongst a backdrop of thousands of living, animated distractions I wouldn’t have stood a chance. The fact that the target was in motion and perhaps six inches around changes the circumstances drastically. Even if it is doable, saying that it’s “easy” is asinine.
To be fair the couple hundred yards figure is way off it was like less than 100 yards making it an easier shot than if it actually was hundreds of yards. I believe the official number is that Kennedy was 81 meters away
Sorry man, but that just means you're not very good. That's not a hard shot to make in the slightest, even for a relatively inexperienced shooters. Experienced shooters can hit that shot 10/10 times. If you were proud of hitting an 8 inch target at 100 yards, you're not a very good shot.
@@choklatecheeseburger Thanks, Sam, I really wanted your insight. I never claimed to be "very good" or even "moderately good", but I am *as good* or better than every guy I've ever been on range with who claims to be a great long-range shot. Lot of hypothetical superstars out there - until they get a rifle in their hands and make an ass out of themselves. Then they say "it is just an off day". My favorite was a guy in Arizona I met while I was working out there. He was the neighbor next to a house my boss and I were flipping. We talked hunting, and he told us he had just tagged a Coues Deer at 400 yards. With a head shot. My boss and I told him how amazing he was, but when he left we got a good laugh at his expense. I had never shot with such clarity as Arizona offers, the long view makes objects even at 1,000 yards visible, so we went shooting one day and invited the superstar neighbor to come along. He brought his boobs along with him, and his 7mm that he made the expert shot with. The goofball couldn't even hit a goddamned silhouette at 250 from a *bench rest* (neither could I) and we waited for his excuse. It was an off day, he was tired... He never made the goddamned shot to begin with. You might be a great shot, but statistically speaking it is far more likely that you are an internet wannabe giving your take with no experience. You can't fault me for rolling my eyes, Sam. I'm not "very good" but I bet I'm as good as you.
@@CaliforniaCarpenter7 I started shooting when I was 8 or 9 with my father and grandfather. I’m not claiming to be especially talented at it or anything, but I’d have to agree with Sam and Rogan. It’s really not that hard of a shot. I’ve been to Dallas where it happened and it looked damn easy to me. I’m no expert and perhaps I’m wrong, but I’d expect a marine to make that shot 10 out of 10 times
I was a 4 time expert in the corps in 83-87meaning i shot between 220-250 and was a primary marksmanship instructor during my last 2 years. Oswald was a marksman 190-199. He barely qualified. JS
Doesn't even take a marksman to make 3 shots (and get 2 hits) on a target less than 90 yards away moving away from you so slowly that no lead would be required with 2.5 seconds or so between each shot, using a low-recoil cartridge at that.
The preponderance of evidence is that the official story is a cover up from start to finish. They ignored so many witnesses who saw the other shooters.
If there were more than one in it, then I am sure Oswald was not. The KGB investigation, unknown at the time, found that it was a pro team of assassins hired in the French Corsican _Golden Triangle_ early in 1963 and that Oswald was not a participant. It took thirty years later for the KGB Report (as opposed to the Warren Report) to be found after the fall of the USSR. I can see why. You can't have the isolated loner story and then also say Oswald was part of a crack team that was extraordinarily _successful_ on the day. The KGB saw through that. Does it mean I know who pulled the fatal trigger? No, it does not. But it does give me ideas. What if E. Howard Hunt's death bed confession was true. He named Lucien Sarti (see Google) and so have underworld figures in Europe too. His location at the time has not been nailed down and this was just the type who could do it. Would it not be crazy that we now know what happened, but it was never officially recognised, and hence the 'secret' is hiding in plain sight? What I mean is this, if the truth came to light, would it ever, or never, be recognised. *_Truth loses again!_*
I noticed how Joe Rogan stated water but the faster you move the hard water gets water is known to fragment bullets not distort them depending on the angle you're firing at
And Joe’s wrong about the 3 shots being possible. Because Oswald is supposed to have fired all 3 in 5.6 seconds. When the FBI test fired the alleged rifle (6.5mm Mannlicher Carcano) they found it took a minimum of 2.3 seconds to reload in between shots. Based on the Zapruder film, the Warren Commission concluded Kennedy and Connally were shot 1.6 seconds apart. Abraham Zapruder’s camera filmed at 18.3 frames per second. Do the math. Oswald couldn’t have done it.
Joe is so misinformed. There is a difference between a hunting round and a full metal jacket bullet. The great white hunter joe is not. He's a New Jersey/California city slicker. Watch the hunting videos he's on.
Every time Joe says the bullet would have been mashed, the guy ain't having it. Especially the time when he goes well I don't really follow the JFK thing.
For me, it's not unbelievable that Oswald was the only shooter. I visited Dealey plaza and the sixth floor museum and honestly the shots were between 50 and 80 yards. Fairly easy for someone who qualified as a sharpshooter. The echo off the surrounding buildings account for any alleged extra shots heard
Oswald was trained and tested in shooting and he scored 212 in December 1956, slightly above the requirements for the designation of sharpshooter.[21] In May 1959 he scored 191, which reduced his rating to marksman.[21][39]...Well, maybe he could have done it. I was thinking he was a poor shot, but I guess not. Also, one of the shooters said he bit into a shell and dropped it on the ground on the grassy knoll, and a bullet like that, with a notch bitten into it, was recovered recently. Some of the best evidence for conspiracy is motive. There was plenty of motive, from some pretty dark and scary people. It doesn't prove that they actually did it, but they were the kind of people who would actually do it. And it got done.
The rifle used to assassinate JFK did not use "normal" bullets that a hunter would use. It was a military rifle, it has been proven by experts that the bullet could easily go through a human and come out relatively intact.
I know this post is 2 years old and all but this statement makes zero sense... the difference in "military grade" and "civilian grade" weapons of the same model is not the ammunition you load it with..
It's not about believing all conspiracies, credible conspiracies have more evidence attached to them. Rogan should interview Cyril Wecht, M.D., forensic pathologist. He (all of us) should read Sherry Fiester's book, "Enemy of the Truth," and James W. Douglas's, "JFK and the Unspeakable."
The "magic" bullet is not "fairly pristine". It's just that nobody ever shows the side of that bullet where all the deformation is. Show a photo of the other sides of the bullet and you'll see that the bullet shows significant deformation. In addition, everyone who has ever tested bullet deformation in this theory does so at very close range and thus, significantly higher velocity. Not to mention the fact that often, different bullets are used, like spire points instead of round nosed, etc.
You obviously have never retrieved a rifle bullet from a dead animal to see exactly what happens to it when it hits tissue and bone. I have seen all sides of the "magic bullet" and I guarantee that bullet never hit tissue or bone. Without a doubt this "magic bullet" establishes a conspiracy and because of where it was found indicates that more likely than not the government was involved.
One thing people don’t typically take into account with the “single bullet theory” is that Connelys seat wasn’t directly in front of JFK it was a booster seat type thing that sat off center and I believe lower than jfk so that alone helps explain the trajectory of the bullet more. Doesn’t explain the zero damage to the bullet tho...
@@sargoth37 There was a wound at the base of his neck and through his throat. Whether thats just the official story or it was caused by the traceotomy idk
@@datman3416 Wrong!!! The back shot was much lower on the back NOT the NECK. It did NOT penetrate more than 2 inches. Look at the back autopsy pic. It shows 2 wounds. The lower smaller wound matches the shirt hole. Case closed on the fake magic bullet theory.
The guy was Ex- military Mafia hitman James(Sutton) Files. He names the other Mafia guys too. Johnny Roselli and Chuck (Charles)Nicoletti. He says he aimed for JFK's right eye, and at the instant he pulled the trigger JFK's head moved slightly forward(?almost simultaneous rear head shot?). Then Files' "mercury load" hit JFK just above and right of the right eye. This we see on the Zapruder film. JFK's head BLASTS back and to his left and we see blood,etc shooting upward and backward. And Jackie reaches to recover some of the ejected material from the decklid of the Lincoln. Additionally, the motorcycle policeman trailing behind was splattered with blood and brain material. JFK had a huge hole in the back of his head. That is called the occiput. From that hole was protruding the CEREBELLUM. Cerebellar tissue is only in the back of the head as it is different material than the rest of the brain. Cerebrum(front brain material)was vaporized by the liquid "mercury load" explosion from the front. JFK's brain is still missing to this day because it would be impossible to remove all traces of that mercury. And it could be found by simply X-Raying that preserved brain. Also, let's give them the single bullet assumption. That bullet supposedly passed through JFK's upper back, may have hit a vertebrae in JFK, neatly exited JFK's throat, then hit Connolly in his upper back, caused bone damage by hitting his 4 rib, exited just under his right nipple, struck his right wrist shattering a wrist bone into 4 pieces leaving behind bullet fragments, then exiting and striking Connolly in his thigh. And "magically" this said bullet was found only slightly deformed on a stretcher. And yet, the supposed rear head bullet was never found because it and JFK's head "exploded." So two bullets' physical behavior acting completely differently. One passing through two humans and causing much bone damage yet recovered deformed but intact. And another bullet hitting one human head exploding the head and itself unrecovered because it too exploded. Must be two different types of bullet composition. According to real autopsy evidence, there was a small entrance wound in the front right side of Kennedy's head, and a huge gaping hole in the back of his head with cerebellar material protruding. Those photos went missing after the photographer was killed in his office. Joe Rogan said that as a hunter, when a bullet hits bone it always gets deformed significantly.
The best evidence is the head shot. His head clearly moves to the back of the car when hit and parts of his skull and brain end up on the trunk.......which Jackie quickly grabs up. And this is from a shot behind him? Nope it's not. The head shot DEFINATELY came from the front of the car. It's indisputable from the video evidence. It cannot be argued.
If a bullet goes into the head it creates a sharp small wound, passes through building up pressure it will explode out the other side. Exit wounds are always bigger. So it explodes out the front and pushes the head back. There you go.
What most young people don't understand is no-one saw the film of Kennedy being shot until the 1970's.....until then you relied on a Texas newscaster who was in Dallas that day and described the shooting to the world, Dan rather.....
What is kinda interesting is that according to Joe, if I understood correctly, the bullet that was found couldn't have been the actual bullet because it was in too much of a pristine condition, but yet at the same time the single shot wasn't possible, because the bullet was in too pristine condition. Basicly he's saying that the bullet that was found wasn't the actual bullet, but when debunking the single shot theory he pretty mucj bases his conclusion on that it was the actual bullet
@Craig Dendy it's actually not. You just need to understand science and math. Plug in information and it matches. First bullet missed Second bullet went through his neck, through other guys shoulder, which went through, spun out shoulder and spins on its exit, landing sideways on his hand. Some people the second bullet zigzagged, but it didnt. The seat in front of Kennedy was adjusted with this metal lift, plus homebound was kind leaning over his seat as most people do, leaning his weight on door, so he was angled. But the wounds left are..... Kennedys neck, Homeboy shoulder and wrist(the bullet exiting shoulder and landing on hand, putting a deep gash in it. If you time the second hit, both Kennedy and Homeboy react at the same time to the hit. You yourself can go time it right now and see them both flinch at the same time. Go do it. You see his wife turn to him like, what's going on. Kennedy is choking, reaching at his neck. Last bullet of course goes into his head, huge piece blows off, that's where you see his wife lean over. Three shots. No Magic. And they've been able to recreate it easily
#1 bullet Tague and concrete, #2 bullet stainless steel header near front windshield, #3 *through* windshield, #3 frontal shot hit JFK front throat, #4 hit JFK in rear back much lower than his collar, shall I go on..? #5 hit the grass hit nothing, #6 hits the back of JFK head at almost the same time the #7 hit the front right temple from the front.....yeah there was deff only [1] shooter. SMH
I don’t know the intricacies of the ballistic analysis, but accidental discharge from friendly fire explains motivations for moderate coverup, insistence on a single shooter and magic bullet theory, justification of continued cover up not wanting to “hurt” the family, so incredibly well. Government actors are happy to blame other people but hate taking responsibility.
The provenance of the magic bullet is very sketchy. It fell out from under a gurney mat at Parkland hospital when someone bumped into it. No reasonable protocol was followed as it was handed from one person to another.
One thing I will always believe and my whole family does is that there were more shooters than Oswald we shot a lot of guns and there’s now way an Italian carcano rifle can shoot that fast they were known to jam
Watch the movie JFK and there’s a scene about the zapruder film (the video of Kennedy getting shot) and i bet it will change ur mind on this whole situation, it basically proves that there were multiple shooters
The fact that Allan Dulles (The Ex director of the CIA that Kennedy fired) was the lead investigator on the Warren commission is a HUGE conflict of interest.
The Warren commission was dirty all over
Yeah that was ridiculous that he was selected to head it
@@kellyraesibayan6223 do you have a link?
@@CIA_Killed_JFK nvm i got u ua-cam.com/video/jiHm2S0w3_Q/v-deo.html
Why do you think he was the one selected lmaoo
I don't know who this Brit is but I'm glad he mentioned that this wasn't his field of expertise or interest.
And joes fan base does lol
I’m not sure who this yank is but he seems to think people care.
Joe knows that it’s not his field of expertise either. Just gives his opinion on the matter. Don’t know if that’s what you’re saying or if you’re just talking about the Brit
Yeah I know 😂 he was kinda pissing joe off and you can tell just by the change of tone.
The brit is mick west
We can handle watching his brains blown all over the back of the Limo, but we can't handle reading the report on what really happened; because" It might hurt the family"
Most of his family is dead now, and the ones that are alive didn’t know him. It’s time for the truth to come out
@@kellyraesibayan6223 I've looked and they have deleted 1 of the videos but I will give the other 1 a look now..
@@craigpardy6204 i looked it up and its still there tho watch the one that last 3 hrs and watch it until they reach the jfk assassination
@@kellyraesibayan6223 yeah, cheers. I'm watching it now. I had to Google it, and have proof who I was and that I was over 18 before I could watch it. Which is strange because I have a UA-cam premium account. There always hiding this sh#t..
@@craigpardy6204 happy watching man get back here and tell what you think of the documentary and all the shit that happened
Joe Rogan 100%. This was the event that truly opened my eyes of how shady and corrupt the government can be learning for myself not just hearsay when you stack up all the evidence it just doesn't add up to the official story
"...In order to meet its obligations fully, the Commission has investigated each rumor and allegation linking Oswald to a conspiracy which has come to its attention, regardless of source. In addition, the Commission has explored the details of Lee Harvey Oswald's activities and
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life, especially in the months immediately preceding the assassination, in order to develop any investigative lead relevant to the issue of conspiracy. All of Oswald's known writings or other possessions which might have been used for code or other espionage purposes have been examined by either the Federal Bureau of Investigation or the National Security Agency, or both agencies, to determine whether they were so used.1
In setting forth the results of this investigation, the first section of this chapter reviews the facts related to the assassination itself, previously considered in more detail in chapter IV. If any conspiracy did exist, it might have manifested itself at some point during Oswald's preparation for the shooting, his execution of the plan, or his escape from the scene of the assassination. The Commission has therefore studied the precise means by which the assassination occurred for traces of evidence that Oswald received any form of assistance in effecting the killing."...-The Warren Report-
1 of many!! …you also have CIA agent Oliver North trafficking cocaine into the US to fund the contras with the war in Nicaragua , and the CIA killing Enrique Kiki Camarena a DEA agent because he was getting close to outing the CIA working with the Guadalajara cartel using there airstrips to refuel and train contra soldiers … it gets deep!! Smh
Governments have been corrupt since the dawn of time emperors, kings, presidents, prime ministers they’re all human. I mean even your job is corrupt, you cut corners and do things you shouldn’t do get the job done, why think the jobs of leaders are any different. I’m not calling you dumb or arguing with you I’m just saying, common sense would tell you they’re corrupt you don’t need to see a president get his brains blown all over his wife to realize humans are hypocritical selfish creatures.
No matter what the public thinks there will never be anything anyone can do, time has just gone by more and more
Exactly. So much evidence was ignored and destroyed.
9:30 The moment Mick realizes Joe is right.
Its funny how people like West and Skeptic Magazine Shermer are only skeptical and apply their logical faculties to non guvz approved narratives - they're naturally skeptical about Bigfoot, The Yeti, Tooth fairies, aliens etc. (as they should be)...
BUT when it comes to JFK, building sleven c0ll@pse etc. (and the clear indicators that the official story is deeply flawed), THAT is when they disable their skepticism and brains 😂
Something is very off here lol
Either they're being purposely obtuse and actively trying to not get into trouble because they have access / careers / families to protect OR they're just not as bright as they think they are and are the victims of a sizable cognitive dissonance they are just unable to correct for.
Not easy to tell.
That’s what they all do.
1) deny the conspiracy
2) present alternative theory
3) admit you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about and so you can’t comment on the conspiracy
Don't give in Joe. That bullet hits bone it's going to come apart like my ex wife's personality
What’s her name
@@johnnyjr nah definitely Sarah
@Ben J nah dog. It’s Samantha.
I’m guessing Karen not like the meme just literally Karen
I love the JRE community hahahahaha
2:56 I LOVE how Joe isn't afraid to call a person out and interrupt them if they're completely wrong. I really love how that is something that he can do without feeling like he's doing something wrong.
But the other guy was saying the truth so he was doing confirmation bias
But Joe is an ass hat jacketed round nose bullets actually don't deform much and his sole source of what bullets do is based on hunting, you dont use FMJ bullets for hunting you use hollow points. Joe is a meat head douch bag and talks out of his ass way more than he actually knows what health is talking about.
Well it _is_ the Joe Rogan Show, is it not?
@@Zodiezzzno, he wasn't. I'm not saying he was doing anything wrong, but he was wrong on the subject.
@xixvالحسن vsv yes, but he was forgoing the fact that it was entirely possible that that wasn't a Magic Bullet.
So if you debunk "conspiracies" you are a skeptic, but if you question/debunk official narratives you are a "conspiracy theorist" Am I missing something?
thebohemiangroove yes, the media manipulation of public opinion. Deep state.
thebohemiangroove you're missing nothing........ That's the point...... The agenda
Yes you are missing something-It isthe definition of the word debunk...If you actually debunk a narrative then that does not make you a skeptic nor a theorist?
Why? Look up the meaning of the word debunk that is where you are answer lies.Debunking Flat earth theory does not make you a skeptic... I urge you to look up the definition of debunk.
verb (used with object)
1.
to expose or excoriate (a claim, assertion, sentiment, etc.) as being pretentious, false, or exaggerated:
to debunk advertising slogans.
exactly
While Joe is incorrect about the _"Magic Bullet"_ ricocheting off the underpass, he's spot-on about how the impact with multiple bones will result in a huge amount of deformation of the bullet. He's also correct about more bullet fragments were pulled out of Governor Connolly, than were missing from the _"Magic Bullet."_
Re: The notion of not being able to make the shot with the Mannlicher-Carcano, which was eventually claimed as the murder weapon...
What Joe isn't aware of, is that even the FBI had to admit that in order for anyone to use that specific scope in that specific rifle, they would have needed to use a shim, in order to accommodate the mounting screws. The scope's mounting screws were long enough, so that when the scope was mounted without a shim, the screws protruded sufficiently into the chamber, so as to prevent the bolt action from chambering a round.
The only way to do it without a shim, would be to chamber the round first; then mount the scope; and then aim & fire. Doing it this way would make it 100% impossible to get off more than 1 shot, because by the time anyone managed to chamber another round, the target would be gone.
It also goes without saying that the Zapruder film confirmed the kill shot came from the front. That too, eliminates the Oswald-Lone Gunman theory.
I would've thought that a bullet going through a skull would've shown much more damage basically what we're all thinking a mangled up bullet, but it's actually not the case this round depending on jacketing and velocity and some other things actually has a very good chance coming out looking a whole lot better than you'd think, just as untouched/pretty looking as that bullet! I'm not touching the whole conspiracy or making an opinion I'm saying that bullet will not always come out mangled like you'd think and there's a chance that the bullet shown is actually the one!
@@daltiejul he's correct about bullets hitting bones and distorting, however saying that bullets look like that if you shoot them into water is so wrong. surface tension and high speed detroys the bullet more than a concrete wall. Also as Joe said bullets do unexpected things which means you cant say anything with certainty.
he's correct about bullets hitting bones and distorting, however saying that bullets look like that if you shoot them into water is so wrong. surface tension and high speed detroys the bullet more than a concrete wall. Also as Joe said bullets do unexpected things which means you cant say anything with certainty.
@@viktorsalingre7228 some bones, yes. The skull maybe not. There is tests done on this that caliber at that speed may have not shown much if any damage. I've seen the ballistic test on it, I would've thought different as well.
He's not correct on ANY of those points. The amount of lead extracted from (and remaining in) Connelly was perfectly consistent with the weight of the stretcher bullet. That bullet only struck glancing blows at Connelly's rib and wrist (not head-on) and thus was not heavily deformed.
Imagine how DUMB the govt thinks you are for them to pitch the "magic bullet" theory
Well, there are many people who believe it, so....
Very
Imagine how dumb they are for thinking this would convince anybody. Exhibit #9999 why talented people don't work for the government. The people who hold the fate of humanity in their hands with nukes/wars/every horrible thing you can think of are dummies with unlimited money and superiority complexes
they think you & me is dumb as a box of rocks
I'm actually currently studying advanced ballistics and I can attest to the fact that a bullet will DRASTICALLY deform upon impact with rigid surfaces, such as bone. And even in the extremely unlikely circumstances that the bullet passed through soft flesh, as Joe stated, the round would have deformed with impact with the wrist. And even if in the impossibility that the bullet hits no bone, IT WOULD STILL DEFORM when it lodges itself in the damn car. The idea that a bullet would impact into a vehicle in such pristine condition is absurd to me.
Thank you
Idk for me it's more the alleged behavior of the bullet but just imo
Paul Landis just said he pulled the bullet from the back of JFK's seat. 60yrs and he finally comes forward. He put the bullet on JFK's gurney, not Connally's.
That bullet looks exactly what I would expect from a 6.5mm round nosed 161gr clipping a transverse process of the spine, which then lodged in the seat.
If it hit Connally's ribs, it would have had more nose deformation. Connally's chest injury is consistent with a round that fragmented.
@@patricknez7258Go look at the bullets the government tested.
The bullet that hit the human cadavers wrist was mangled.
Where do you come up with this crap!!! I can go up to any rifle butts and dig up hundreds of undeformed slugs from the earth there. Things changed when frangable rounds came into use, such as the AR15 round that hit Kennedy in the back of his head , fragmenting inside and bursting out above Kennedy's right eye. the 6.5 round fired by Oswald hit Kennedy in the low neck mark and erupted through his throat then on to Fat Connolly .
100% The final head shot came from the front. 1. The Zapruder film shows his head going back 2. It blew a piece of his brain onto the back of the limo that Jackie crawled back to retrieve 3. Jackie handed the piece of brain to the doctor at the hospital. If the shot came from the rear, everything would have gone forward. There were also holes in the limo, a bullet hit under the underpass, bullets came from 3 directions. It was a triangular kill zone.
But they didn’t kill him in the most likely spot, when they first turned into Dealy Plaza.
@@stephennicholson1263 that theory has been blown out the water quite a bit, Jackie was crawling on the trunk to retrieve a big piece of his brain and skull, which she handed to the ER Dr later on.
Now if driver had killed him, don’t ya think that the one agent coming up onto the back of the car would’ve killed him ( the driver) ? In several interviews he’s stated that he knew the driver hadn’t done it.
Man we aren’t ever gonna know the whole truth other than the fact that they killed a sitting President in broad daylight. That takes huge balls !
@@stephennicholson1263 yeah I’ve seen the video slowed down. I agree it does look like something flies out of the car like a shell being ejected from a gun.
It’s one of those historical events that we as ordinary people won’t ever be told the truth.
Seems like all the witnesses and people involved have all ended up dead. So there’s something with that !
I don’t believe that Jackie was going to grab his skull,I think that she was trying to get out of there. Then the agent jumped on the back and they sped away
@@tomking7080 sadly we’ll never know exactly what they were doing. God knows the mind says flee and the Agents training said to cover for sure. The only reason I mentioned the part about the skull was I saw a documentary with one of the Drs from Parkland and he said she handed him the piece of skull/brain matter she’d retrieved off the back of the limo. That’s all. But I couldn’t imagine being in that situation, you have no clue where to dip too.
My problem with this is the guest said he believed the official story then didn’t know anything about it
Customary with kneelers to the crown.
@@RETRIBUTION_TIMErepublican cringe
True- not sure why this guy is even the ‘guest’ for this. Just another one of Joe’s dopey friends i guess….
I have two main problems with the Warren Commission:
1. Hoover did state that (I'm paraphrasing) the commission should find that Oswald was the only shooter. If this isn't "confirmation bias", it will do until the real thing comes along.
2. If Oswald really was just a "lone nut", I see NO reason to keep any part of this crime secret let alone "classifying" it as "top secret".
Here's a video that you might be interested in that does a good job of recreating the "magic bullet" shot.
ua-cam.com/video/PZRUNYZY71g/v-deo.html
"....The Commission has found no evidence that either Lee Harvey Oswald or Jack Ruby was part of any conspiracy, domestic or foreign, to assassinate President Kennedy. The reasons for this conclusion are:
(a) The Commission has found no evidence that anyone assisted Oswald in planning or carrying out the assassination. ...
(b) The Commission has found no evidence that Oswald was involved with any person or group in a conspiracy to assassinate the President, although it has thoroughly investigated,...
(c) The Commission has found no evidence to show that Oswald was employed, persuaded, or encouraged by any foreign government to assassinate President Kennedy or that he was an agent of any foreign government..."
-The Warren Report-
How many members of the Warren commission were former CIA agents.
It is obvious to anyone with an open mind that most documents were kept secret because they contained info that tangentially concerned the assassination but directly concerned other issues and agents that the government didn't want to disclose at the time. Alas, some people are going to see only what they want to see.
Why don’t people just ask “If you shoot someone from up and behind, how does their head go BACKWARDS when shot?”
That alone prevents me from accepting any “official” report.
Agreed! I've never had anyone explain that to me either. It's definitely something that gets lost in translation. That's a major factor into my thinking of it being a set up. But I'm just a regular dude in America. What do I know right
@@reggieisdabest25 I asked about it in middle school when we were learning about it and I was kicked out of class. I never spoke up about it in school again. The look on my teachers face was confusion and anger. Idk if she believed the narrative or what but she did NOT like me pointing out the obvious. Lol
@@julianthomas3053 definitely weird
This dude has cold, untrustworthy eyes
True
Raisen eyes
he’s a dickhead
Big dickhead
Who?
The "Conspiracy Theorist Term" memo he is referencing is CIA Document 1035-960.
MAGA MAN Deep state mind control.
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@@Matthew-qv2pr lay off the crack sir
I wonder how many times Jamie has had to pull up the magic bullet picture
Young "magic bullet" Jamie
I like to think Jamie is madly trying to Googling everything Joe is saying just incase Joe throws to him with the ‘Ah Jamie, pull that up’.
LOLOLOLOL
He probably just has it open on a seperate tab for every podcast
I believe the third shot was done by accident by a secret service agent. The secret service had just been issued M-16 rifles. I believe that the agent was trying to get the weapon up and mis-fired striking Kennedy in the head. The film showing the strike to the head and the fact that small fragments of a bullet were found leads me to believe the third hit on Kennedy was from a 5.56 round.
True but it you are struck on the right side of your head, then your movement would be to the left, now the car was starting to accelerate causing the backward movement.@dig.dog.ranger
Predicting a bullet where it lands is like predicting lightning where it strikes.
Mick West doesn't sound very convincing
Gotta Go you can see he starts believing rogan
Of course, that's because he's no different than the most hard core conspiracy guy, only the other way around. A complete dick.
@@nicksothep8472 true, insufferable
@@pierer91 yeah, that's the one, insufferable basterds!
Joe “his ability to close distance” rogan
oisin carroll dam lol
oisin carroll good arguments made by joe.
@Piotruś Scw he did that because the thing jamie was talking about was a sponsor of jre, and Joe almost lost them as a sponsor because Jamie said something like "i don't like it, its weird"
Joe “this is why Twitter has a 140 character limit” Rogan.
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When a 13 minute convo makes you impatient. Get a life why u here
Governor John Connally's account of the assassination shows that the single bullet theory is false if you compare it with the Zapruder film. This is something that I really only noticed recently. Connally said that when he heard the first shot, he turned to the right to see where the shot came from. He stated that when he was turning back to the left, facing forward, he felt an impact to his back, throwing him forward. He noticed he was covered with blood and realized he had been shot. His wife then pulls him down into her lap. Seems straight forward, and everything. At least that's what I always assumed. I figured the shot through Kennedy's back and through his throat entered Connally's back, exited his chest, hit his thigh, and wrist. Ok, sounds reasonable I guess, right? I never thought anything of it, until I actually compared Connally's account with the Zapruder film itself. This is where it gets interesting. The Zapruder film shows that Kennedy was shot in the back BEFORE Connally turned to the right. Connaly, according to his own account hadn't been shot yet, but Kennedy is hunched forward clutching his neck. Therefore, that shot DIDN'T hit Connally. So where did the bullet that exited Kennedy's neck go? If you watch the Zapruder film, at the moment Kennedy reacts to the throat wound, Connally's jacket collar flap seems to flip up. Perhaps the bullet exited Kennedy's throat, passed through Connally's jacket collar flap and either ended up in a car seat back or perhaps the front windshield of the car. Some witnesses claim they saw a bullet hole in the windshield. The bullet could have then struck the curb by the overpass. Now Connaly turns to his left, which is the moment he claimed he felt the shot to his back. He states he felt something like a fist slamming into his back, which threw him forward. When you look at the Zapruder film, this happens at the exact instant that Kennedy is shot in the head, not in his back. Could the bullet that hit Kennedy in the head be the one that also hit Connally? I don't know. The bullet trajectory doesn't seem to line up. But Connally was definitely shot at the same time as Kennedy's head shot. No doubt about it. Therefore, the single bullet theory is definitely false. Do your own comparison and you will see what I mean.
If you're shot from behind in a forward moving vehicle ,you're not going to fall "Back and to the left."
Love how these rationalists are skeptical about everything other than the official theories.
Those guys are literally the worst they say "You stupid conspiracy theorists, you believe everything if it fits your narrative and neglect all the counter arguments." Meanwhile they literally do the same thing.
@@theasianviper6365 What kind of mindless shithead would seriously believe Oswald Acted Alone at this late date?
@@vernpascal1531 the worlds full of shitheafs
Conspiracy "THEORY" = Bad!
Single bullet "THEORY" = Good!
Do the math. Take away the the word theory from both equations, all you've got left is an argument made by lone-nut-nuts. Why is the phrase "conspiracy theorist" a pejorative, while "single bullet theorist" perfectly reasonable?
Ain't they BOTH theories?
No such thing as ‘official’ theory’s, ‘official’ story etc.
There is nothing ‘official’ when it comes to this stuff. That’s not how history works
I’ve never had a target or animal after getting hit come back against the trajectory of the bullet, JFK head snapped backwards after getting hit.
Exactly, me either.
Wait so what does that mean happened?
@@pops1099 that he was not shot from the back, he was shot from the front.
m.ua-cam.com/video/yzyw7AcHbuY/v-deo.html
And penn and teller aren’t the only ones to prove it. It’s been shown to be true countless times, theres even a Nobel prize laureate in physics who done it with human skulls and some matter for brain, nova showed the video. Always goes back toward the shooter.
@@wxndrr7548 the agent in his car slipped and shot Kennedy
This dude is looking at joe like he’s about to disappear him.
Joe was about to get Penn & Teller’d.
@@troytaylor3548 lol what that mean brah
@@Santos21145 pen and teller are magicians 😂
Joe could handle his ass easy
Here after seeing Oliver Stone's JFK Revisited, wow was Mick wrong.
The new Netflix JFK special does an amazing job on explaining everything(blood splatter, amount of shots, etc.) I was impressed
Why talk to this guy about this subject he seems to know nothing about at all
Rev Head agreed it didn't need to be this long of a debate it could have moved onto other things.
Rev Head hey I was just thinking of that movie the other day what was the movie that you get your picture from?
That's why he changed the subject so quickly.
Falling Down
I would love to go on Joe Rogan's show to discuss the JFK assassination. I been studying the assassination of JFK since 1992
Please do.js
Going down rabbitholes on the internet isnt studying lol
@@kilroywuzhere1 WTF are you talking about.
@@kilroywuzhere1 I don’t think you could’ve gone down an internet rabbit hole in 1992. Maybe it’s just me ? Read the guy’s comment in full before making an assumption.
The assassination happened BEFORE 1992.
(btw, I'm not dumb, just the BIGGEST conspiracy theorist of them all!)
Nah, just kidding! ... May I ask where you stand most confidently on any of the subtopics of this subject? Would love to know...
Even hitting water, bullets will shatter..hitting water at high speeds is like hitting concrete..its been proven in an early episode of myth busters..
michaelsays Bullshit, they go through water they just slow down.
Think about what you’ve said there. How in any way would a bullet hitting water be like a bullet hitting concrete? C’mon now.
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I’m not saying a bullet hitting water doesn’t have stopping power, to say it’s the same as hitting concrete is complete nonsense though.
Nah. : )
I thought the reason they shoot into water tanks when they do ballistic tests is because they stay intact and they're able to tell which gun it was fired from, I could be wrong but that's what I thought.
When I learned about the fine details of Operation Northwoods, I immediately realized that the ‘big three’ conspiracy theories were true. It was real watershed moment for me.
Actually Mick is correct... Brandon Hererra shot a ballistic dummy straight in the jaw bone and thru gel and into water jugs (all 1 bullet) and it looked exactly like the "Magic Bullet" slightly deformed but not mushroomed or fragmented. With that said I do NOT believe the official narrative... just happened to catch that video and it blew my mind (no pun intended).
Heads snap back when struck from the front. Oswald was a fall guy.
Ken Hasibar if you watch the footage frame by frame his head actually goes forward for a split second, then snaps back due to restrictions of his clothing.
@@kinggrizzly1916 They can put up numerous explanations but they are simply too many holes in their story. Why did the doctors at parkland hospital feel that the bullet had been shot from the front ? Why was the brain missing during the autopsy in Washington dc ? The magic bullet theory sounds very childish. How can a bullet can cause 7 wounds while breaking multiple bones and veins in two men and still remain intact ? They also found a bullet casing in 1987 at the grassy knoll. I am 17 years old now and I hope to live long enough to see the truth being revealed.
@@kinggrizzly1916 it doesnt.
Bullets mash mushroom fragment in my 38 years I haven't ever seen a fired bullet passing through flesh/bone come out pristine
???? It wasn't pristine. It was bent, flattened and missing fragments. Don't create lies and then assign them to the other side.
@@johncooper7663 thats literally what he was stating.
@@aleccross2987 read much? He is citing his supposed expertise to refute that the pristine bullet is as expected in this case
@@johncooper7663 do you really believe the official story?
@@robbiecale3327 compared to the bullshit the conspiracy twits present, yes.
Woody Harrelson's dad was involved in the Kennedy shooting it's a known fact Lee Harvey Oswald was not alone
A full metal jacket is meant to stay pristine. It goes in and out. It was created because of the Geneva convention. It’s meant to take a soldier off the field. Problem is… the kill shot was frangeable bullet. Meaning it exploded on impact… it was intended to do the most damage. Not a full metal jacket. The thing is Howard Donahue… a ballistics expert and gunsmith was asked to look at the ballistics from the Warren report and write a something supporting it. He agreed. But as he looked at it and studied it… he saw that the trajectory didn’t work for the kill shot. He deduced that the kill shot could only have come from the back and left… his study pointed to the secret service trailing car where a new secret service man with a newly introduced ar15 fell backwards when the car sped up after the first shot.
Joe’s 100% right on this, the jfk bullet looks like it been manually pushed down a barrel.
1:23 hes kinda right. Theres no way that was the bullet. Way to intact. I mean you can see the marks from the rifling but it looks like they retrieved the bullet from some pillows
There's a video on UA-cam where they fire the same Bullet From the same gun into the end of a pine log. The bullet goes over 2 ft. When they dig the bullet out it pretty much looks the same as when it left the gun. Full Metal Jacket bullets are combat rounds designed to go through doors walls, and still kill.
My history teacher was talking to me and he said that the sniper that shot the bullet was made to make a clean shot when it was used in WW2.
For those who don’t know who this is his name is Bez from the 90s British music group the Happy Mondays. He’s a genius
Stfu 😆
No
Of the several marksmen that tried to replicate Oswald's three shots, only one managed to do it. Donahue was only successful on his "third" try. So he also has said on record he does not believe Oswald could have fired all three shots successfully. Another point to consider about the magic bullet theory is if this bullet did in fact go through both men and struck bone twice along the way and remained in such pristine condition, should we not expect the bullet that struck the president's head to survive the impact in similar condition? With that in mind, should not the trajectory be somewhat predictable? If so, where did that bullet go after impact? Should it not have struck the interior of the limousine somewhere?
There are actually two possibilities.
The window was "cracked" near rear view mirror which had a lead smear or particles on inside.
The interior chrome strip over the windshield was also hit with what appears to be the nose of a bullet.
Did the head shot break apart and bullet nose hits chrome strip and tail frag hits windshield?
It's plausible, and that's the SS FBI adjustment of evidence to fit this scenario.
I would expect any damage to limo from head shot would align with the view from Sixth floor window to limo at z313 as seen through the scope of rifle in Shaneyfelt and Fraziers recreation.
Back would should exit JFKs chest about nipple height. (As was shown in a History Channel reenactment,,, which they edited out but outakes are on youtube)
Anyways the fragments or whole bullets should have struck seats of floor but instead are 'nearly exiting' the car!
If a pristine bullet hits both Kennedy and Connally and is nearly pristine after seven wounds and crushing solid bones and is only slightly ovaled ... and is missing its copper jacketed base!!!! Where the hell is the base of 399.
Was this CE399 bullet the head shot that loses its 6.5mm base and this is scene on anterior ap Xrays of JFKs skull?
It's odd to say the least.
Or did 399 strike a limb tumble and enter backwards into Kennedy's back taking a punched out piece of coat/shirt into the wound at a downward angle stopping after bruised top of lung not penitration of pleural cavity as seen by probe through back wound into chest cavity during autopsy
So did base/primer fragment of 399 enter the same back wound already detached from 399 and surfs upward to exit JFKs trachea puncture both layers of his shirt collar leaving vertical slits and then leaves an oval shaped horizontal abrasion on the extreme left side of Kennedy's ties knot.
Did the copper base of 399 make these wounds and damaged clothing in this way and exited vehicle?
The necessary trajectory for these bullet strikes and multiple wounds still doesn't align with a TSBD Sixth floor sniper.
The autopsy of jfk was clear that there was to be no probing or dissection of neck wound.... really!!! Have you seen the Bethesda neck wound... it's no tracheostomy over a 5mm hole... and what the heck happened to his right forehead.
These wounds appear altered.
So autopsy back probe did not exit throat.
That's a concern.
Add the claims of a bullet striking pavement behind limo early in shooting.(fire cracker)
A bullet missing the limo later in sequence striking a curb at far end of Plaza a ricochet fragment striking James Tagues face.
So to answer you have bullet hitting pavement
Bullet hitting curb.
Bullet hitting chrome strip.
Bullet hitting windshield.
If the bullets don't fit you must acquit.
@@icebergs411 I have discussed this assassination details with attorneys and authors on the subject. Your reply is one of the most comprehensive I have read so far. Great work!
There is so much wrong with the magic bullet theory. First of all, do you know that this entire scenario is the product of one man's opinion? He was an attorney from Pennsylvania by the name of Arlen Spector. As we all know, attorneys are not necessarily interested in the truth. Their job is to convince a jury of what they say happened. If successful, this version of events will protect the attorney's client from prosecution. In this case, the client is the CIA, FBI, Secret Service, and many others. Spector was no ballistics expert, just another attorney trying to get his client off the hook.
I have more to say about this. I will get back to you later.
@@icebergs411 If I remember correctly, it was claimed that CE399 was found on JFK's gurney on the first floor as Connally underwent surgery on the second floor of Parkland. How does this bullet find it's way from Connally's gurney back to JFK's? Magic bullet indeed.
I'm sure you are aware that Dr. Humes burned his first draft of the autopsy, but are you aware that Humes was required to have all of his details and conclusions of the autopsy reviewed by Arlen Spector before they could be released? I found this information while reading the deposition of Dr. Humes.
Fragment struck and cracked the bottom of the windshield where it meets the dashboard. There are pictures of it.
@@vandan48 I have seen photos of a clean bullet hole through the windshield. Several witnesses, including two Dallas police officers, described the hole as "a bullet hole from the front". I also saw a photo of a damaged windshield molding at the of the windshield. Where can I see the photo you are speaking of? However, if a bullet that truck JFK hit any part of the windshield, the trajectory would not match that of the window in the TBD.
That being said… if the shot came from the back… why was Jackie trying to scoop his brains off the trunk? Seems the brains would have been all over Connolly.
These two guys have obviously never seen the Zapruder film...
Joe Rogan’s answer to this would be that bullets do strange things when they hit bone. While I agree that that’s possible, I think that there was a shooter from the front right of the presidential limousine, which is consistent with the shooter on the grassy knoll. For me, James Files gives a consistent account and I find him very credible. If Mr Files wasn’t the shooter on that hill, he must’ve had first hand information from the perpetrator.
The same people who killed the Kennedy brothers, did 9/11, the Jews and than Jackie & Carolyn got on all 4 for then men who killed them. Some women can never get enough of JEWelry
I agree, the head shot is an easy shot. However, the head shot after “2” previous shots from an old bolt action rifle at steep angles (the first “2”shots), under pressure, with tree branches in the way and then getting back on target for the final head shot is a different story.
There were no tree branches in the way by the third shot, and do you know how big that head would’ve been looking in a scope? It would’ve been pretty easy. And even easier and faster if he used the iron sights, which he may have done.
@@stewartj3407 You are correct, there were not tree branches in the way by his third shot which is what I indirectly said in the original post. The third shot could have easily been been done IF he hadn't fussed around with the first two shots. This required LHO to come off target two times due to cycling the bolt action and then get back on target for the final head shot. Not impossible, but.... It was a 4X scope and according to googled pictures of Oswald's view through a 4x scope it wouldn't of been that big at all, plus it was a moving target (~7mph away, but still moving). Lucky shot? Very possible.. I doubt we will ever know the truth. BTW- Carlos Hathcock (look him up if you don't know who he is) said this “I don’t know how many times we tried it, but we couldn’t duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did." Oswald was barely a Marksman in the Marines so if Hathcock and many other professional snipers like Craig Roberts couldn't do it I highly doubt Oswald could.
I've been to Dealey Plaza and saw the angles. It is different in person and those angles are much steeper than any video will show, especially the first couple shots that would be taken.
Like I said in my original post, the head shot ALONE wouldn't be that difficult in my opinion. It's that it's a follow-up shot to all the other shit that happened prior to it that makes it so difficult. So difficult that professional snipers couldn't do it.
@@hoosierhusker5868 barely a marksman? He scored sharpshooter the first time around! I don’t know if hathcock said that or not, but why should that hold any weight. The actual silver medalist from the olympics said it would be easy to do. Does that hold much weight with you? And the time he based that statement on is even wrong. You realize the Warren commission had it at 5.6 seconds right? Which was still possible, based on many independent experiments over the years. But now that has been proven to be way too low. The consensus is now its atleast 8.8 seconds. And if zapruder didn’t catch the full sequence it’s over 11 seconds. It was easily doable, plain and simple.
@@hoosierhusker5868 I really, really doubt that Hathcock was saying you couldn't fire 3 shots with a low-recoil bolt rifle with 66% accuracy at a slow-moving target around 75 yards away with perfect visibility in a span of 5.6 seconds from first shot to last.
those shots came from 2 different directions, possibly 2 different weapons. the first hitting him in the neck caused very little disturbance, quieter and less reaction from everyone, the head shot was high powered and caused a larger reaction..
I will go to my grave knowing I knew someone that worked in the FBI at the time of JFK's assassination, and she herself said she had doubts about what happened, including Hoover's actions around the time
Ok...
Sure
I doubt it.
My dad words dor Microsoft I'll get you booted offline and get your account deleted
No you don’t
The grin from joe when he makes the 140 characters joke is hilarious. He was so proud of that one 🤣
Hey Joe, there’s this document called the Warren commission report that explains it all. Been out for public viewing for about 60 years now.
The scope needed to be shimmed in order to be properly adjusted before making a shot; it didn’t get knocked out of sight adjustment from being handled. It’s in the report. In addition, the “magic bullet” was supposed to have passed through Kennedy, into Conleys back, shattered a rib, exited below his nipple, entered Conleys wrist, shattered a thick bone before exiting the opposite side of his arm and lodged in Conleys left inner thigh. People need to read the reports. It’s insane, Conleys doctor clearly wrote how he had to dig the projectile out of Conleys leg.
Joe "I love Alex Jones,he's crazy" Rogan.
Alex " Im kinda Retarded" jones
Alex "the Chi-coms run the FED" Jones, A zionist gatekeeper.
Alex "sandy hook was a false flag" jones
Anyone doing the joke where u write something as their nickname or middle name has no life use needed to hear this😘
Exactly lol thats why we love him.
CIA Documents already prove that there was more than one person
Michael Crespo I bet ya they’re hiding most of the important documents or that they are already destroyed.
Jack Fahy Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it
The DC coroner states in his report there were multiple gun shot wounds and that his head had been sewn up.
yer why is noone talking about the fact that the surgeons autopsy stated that he was stot from the front and the back lolll
which is why they took so long to release those autopsy reports and other documents to the public. BUT, a whole lot of information is redacted. Making the public release of those documents pointless.
I really liked Joe Rogan questions everything
One, very simple argument against the "single bullet theory"...is the Zabruder film. You can easily see, the last shot, was from the side. Also, Oswald was not a marksman. He was rated as "Average" my the military. They really want us to believe, that an "Average" shooter, with a bolt-action rifle, following a target away from him, from a 4th story window, in an incredible stressed situation....picked off the back of a human skull...about 9in. x 9 in. ? Then we have the multiple accounts of people hearing a shot coming from behind the fence on the grassy knoll.
Does anyone question that Oswald killed a cop afterward? How does that jive with "he was a patsy"?
"You are all going to die." That's like saying the sky is blue.
“It was only a *couple hundred yards* making that shot on a target the size of a human head is *easy!”*
Years ago I hit an eight inch plate at 100 yards with a 1 MOA rifle and was really proud of myself. If the damn thing was moving and amongst a backdrop of thousands of living, animated distractions I wouldn’t have stood a chance. The fact that the target was in motion and perhaps six inches around changes the circumstances drastically. Even if it is doable, saying that it’s “easy” is asinine.
To be fair the couple hundred yards figure is way off it was like less than 100 yards making it an easier shot than if it actually was hundreds of yards. I believe the official number is that Kennedy was 81 meters away
Sorry man, but that just means you're not very good. That's not a hard shot to make in the slightest, even for a relatively inexperienced shooters. Experienced shooters can hit that shot 10/10 times. If you were proud of hitting an 8 inch target at 100 yards, you're not a very good shot.
@@choklatecheeseburger Thanks, Sam, I really wanted your insight.
I never claimed to be "very good" or even "moderately good", but I am *as good* or better than every guy I've ever been on range with who claims to be a great long-range shot. Lot of hypothetical superstars out there - until they get a rifle in their hands and make an ass out of themselves. Then they say "it is just an off day".
My favorite was a guy in Arizona I met while I was working out there. He was the neighbor next to a house my boss and I were flipping. We talked hunting, and he told us he had just tagged a Coues Deer at 400 yards. With a head shot. My boss and I told him how amazing he was, but when he left we got a good laugh at his expense. I had never shot with such clarity as Arizona offers, the long view makes objects even at 1,000 yards visible, so we went shooting one day and invited the superstar neighbor to come along. He brought his boobs along with him, and his 7mm that he made the expert shot with. The goofball couldn't even hit a goddamned silhouette at 250 from a *bench rest* (neither could I) and we waited for his excuse. It was an off day, he was tired...
He never made the goddamned shot to begin with.
You might be a great shot, but statistically speaking it is far more likely that you are an internet wannabe giving your take with no experience. You can't fault me for rolling my eyes, Sam. I'm not "very good" but I bet I'm as good as you.
@@CaliforniaCarpenter7 I started shooting when I was 8 or 9 with my father and grandfather. I’m not claiming to be especially talented at it or anything, but I’d have to agree with Sam and Rogan. It’s really not that hard of a shot. I’ve been to Dallas where it happened and it looked damn easy to me.
I’m no expert and perhaps I’m wrong, but I’d expect a marine to make that shot 10 out of 10 times
@@hlf_coder6272 you highly overestimate a marines sharpshooting ability
I was a 4 time expert in the corps in 83-87meaning i shot between 220-250 and was a primary marksmanship instructor during my last 2 years. Oswald was a marksman 190-199. He barely qualified. JS
And he was using a bolt action single shot rifle..smh
Doesn't even take a marksman to make 3 shots (and get 2 hits) on a target less than 90 yards away moving away from you so slowly that no lead would be required with 2.5 seconds or so between each shot, using a low-recoil cartridge at that.
I one time hit a raccoon with a BB gun at 10 yards. Man was he pissed.
The preponderance of evidence is that the official story is a cover up from start to finish. They ignored so many witnesses who saw the other shooters.
If there were more than one in it, then I am sure Oswald was not. The KGB investigation, unknown at the time, found that it was a pro team of assassins hired in the French Corsican _Golden Triangle_ early in 1963 and that Oswald was not a participant. It took thirty years later for the KGB Report (as opposed to the Warren Report) to be found after the fall of the USSR.
I can see why. You can't have the isolated loner story and then also say Oswald was part of a crack team that was extraordinarily _successful_ on the day. The KGB saw through that.
Does it mean I know who pulled the fatal trigger? No, it does not. But it does give me ideas.
What if E. Howard Hunt's death bed confession was true. He named Lucien Sarti (see Google) and so have underworld figures in Europe too. His location at the time has not been nailed down and this was just the type who could do it.
Would it not be crazy that we now know what happened, but it was never officially recognised, and hence the 'secret' is hiding in plain sight? What I mean is this, if the truth came to light, would it ever, or never, be recognised. *_Truth loses again!_*
In 1975 a hvac repair man found a rifle shell case on the roof of the Deltex building proves that there was at least 2 shooters
No that just proves a shell was on the roof .nothing else
Maybe..but Oswald was'nt one of them.
@@Generalindifference how did it get there?
There is a Seinfeld episode that explains this perfectly lol one of my favorites
I noticed how Joe Rogan stated water but the faster you move the hard water gets water is known to fragment bullets not distort them depending on the angle you're firing at
Hahahaha I thought this too 😄😂
Joe likes to pretend he’s a ballistics expert because he’s been on guided “hunts” a few times with his buddies.
And Joe’s wrong about the 3 shots being possible. Because Oswald is supposed to have fired all 3 in 5.6 seconds. When the FBI test fired the alleged rifle (6.5mm Mannlicher Carcano) they found it took a minimum of 2.3 seconds to reload in between shots. Based on the Zapruder film, the Warren Commission concluded Kennedy and Connally were shot 1.6 seconds apart. Abraham Zapruder’s camera filmed at 18.3 frames per second. Do the math. Oswald couldn’t have done it.
Joe is so misinformed. There is a difference between a hunting round and a full metal jacket bullet.
The great white hunter joe is not. He's a New Jersey/California city slicker. Watch the hunting videos he's on.
I thought this whole time when they say "the scope was off", that he literally shot iron sights
Every time Joe says the bullet would have been mashed, the guy ain't having it. Especially the time when he goes well I don't really follow the JFK thing.
Hey Joe an Australian group did make that shot. But I agree with you there was more than one shooter. Oswald didn’t kill him.
For me, it's not unbelievable that Oswald was the only shooter. I visited Dealey plaza and the sixth floor museum and honestly the shots were between 50 and 80 yards. Fairly easy for someone who qualified as a sharpshooter. The echo off the surrounding buildings account for any alleged extra shots heard
“ repeating becomes memories”
Oswald was trained and tested in shooting and he scored 212 in December 1956, slightly above the requirements for the designation of sharpshooter.[21] In May 1959 he scored 191, which reduced his rating to marksman.[21][39]...Well, maybe he could have done it. I was thinking he was a poor shot, but I guess not.
Also, one of the shooters said he bit into a shell and dropped it on the ground on the grassy knoll, and a bullet like that, with a notch bitten into it, was recovered recently.
Some of the best evidence for conspiracy is motive. There was plenty of motive, from some pretty dark and scary people. It doesn't prove that they actually did it, but they were the kind of people who would actually do it. And it got done.
@C M A toss up between the CIA, the mob and the military. I'm going with: all three.
He was a poor shot lol
They stitched him
Up it was
Not him
The rifle used to assassinate JFK did not use "normal" bullets that a hunter would use. It was a military rifle, it has been proven by experts that the bullet could easily go through a human and come out relatively intact.
I know this post is 2 years old and all but this statement makes zero sense... the difference in "military grade" and "civilian grade" weapons of the same model is not the ammunition you load it with..
Holy shit I found it everyone. The dumbest comment award goes to you 🥇
@@KingDooks”military grade” does not make it high quality. Far from it. Especially when the military has to operate within a budget.
It's not about believing all conspiracies, credible conspiracies have more evidence attached to them. Rogan should interview Cyril Wecht, M.D., forensic pathologist. He (all of us) should read Sherry Fiester's book, "Enemy of the Truth," and James W. Douglas's, "JFK and the Unspeakable."
The "magic" bullet is not "fairly pristine". It's just that nobody ever shows the side of that bullet where all the deformation is. Show a photo of the other sides of the bullet and you'll see that the bullet shows significant deformation. In addition, everyone who has ever tested bullet deformation in this theory does so at very close range and thus, significantly higher velocity. Not to mention the fact that often, different bullets are used, like spire points instead of round nosed, etc.
You obviously have never retrieved a rifle bullet from a dead animal to see exactly what happens to it when it hits tissue and bone. I have seen all sides of the "magic bullet" and I guarantee that bullet never hit tissue or bone. Without a doubt this "magic bullet" establishes a conspiracy and because of where it was found indicates that more likely than not the government was involved.
One thing people don’t typically take into account with the “single bullet theory” is that Connelys seat wasn’t directly in front of JFK it was a booster seat type thing that sat off center and I believe lower than jfk so that alone helps explain the trajectory of the bullet more. Doesn’t explain the zero damage to the bullet tho...
There was no wound to the back of jfk's neck which nullifies the Single Bullet theory.
@@sargoth37 There was a wound at the base of his neck and through his throat. Whether thats just the official story or it was caused by the traceotomy idk
@@datman3416 Wrong!!! The back shot was much lower on the back NOT the NECK. It did NOT penetrate more than 2 inches.
Look at the back autopsy pic. It shows 2 wounds. The lower smaller wound matches the shirt hole. Case closed on the fake magic bullet theory.
There's that guy in prison that admitted to it. And his story was spot on.
The guy was Ex- military Mafia hitman James(Sutton) Files.
He names the other Mafia guys too. Johnny Roselli and Chuck (Charles)Nicoletti.
He says he aimed for JFK's right eye, and at the instant he pulled the trigger JFK's head moved slightly forward(?almost simultaneous rear head shot?). Then Files' "mercury load" hit JFK just above and right of the right eye. This we see on the Zapruder film.
JFK's head BLASTS back and to his left and we see blood,etc shooting upward and backward. And Jackie reaches to recover some of the ejected material from the decklid of the Lincoln. Additionally, the motorcycle policeman trailing behind was splattered with blood and brain material.
JFK had a huge hole in the back of his head. That is called the occiput. From that hole was protruding the CEREBELLUM. Cerebellar tissue is only in the back of the head as it is different material than the rest of the brain.
Cerebrum(front brain material)was vaporized by the liquid "mercury load" explosion from the front. JFK's brain is still missing to this day because it would be impossible to remove all traces of that mercury. And it could be found by simply X-Raying that preserved brain.
Also, let's give them the single bullet assumption. That bullet supposedly passed through JFK's upper back, may have hit a vertebrae in JFK, neatly exited JFK's throat, then hit Connolly in his upper back, caused bone damage by hitting his 4 rib, exited just under his right nipple, struck his right wrist shattering a wrist bone into 4 pieces leaving behind bullet fragments, then exiting and striking Connolly in his thigh. And "magically" this said bullet was found only slightly deformed on a stretcher.
And yet, the supposed rear head bullet was never found because it and JFK's head "exploded."
So two bullets' physical behavior acting completely differently. One passing through two humans and causing much bone damage yet recovered deformed but intact. And another bullet hitting one human head exploding the head and itself unrecovered because it too exploded.
Must be two different types of bullet composition.
According to real autopsy evidence, there was a small entrance wound in the front right side of Kennedy's head, and a huge gaping hole in the back of his head with cerebellar material protruding. Those photos went missing after the photographer was killed in his office.
Joe Rogan said that as a hunter, when a bullet hits bone it always gets deformed significantly.
The best evidence is the head shot. His head clearly moves to the back of the car when hit and parts of his skull and brain end up on the trunk.......which Jackie quickly grabs up. And this is from a shot behind him? Nope it's not. The head shot DEFINATELY came from the front of the car. It's indisputable from the video evidence. It cannot be argued.
If a bullet goes into the head it creates a sharp small wound, passes through building up pressure it will explode out the other side. Exit wounds are always bigger. So it explodes out the front and pushes the head back. There you go.
Anyone who thinks a bullet can do that and be intact must work for the CIA
What most young people don't understand is no-one saw the film of Kennedy being shot until the 1970's.....until then you relied on a Texas newscaster who was in Dallas that day and described the shooting to the world, Dan rather.....
That Mick guy sounds like the robot on computers 😂😂
There was a mystery woman in a lot of the photos of the scene
Bullshit.
Don't bring your supernatural bullshit into his assassination
That's for the info I've been looking for tips
@@DarkSpice84 It's known as the Babushka Lady, in fact. OP is totally right.
All women are mystery women.
That sniff after guest said Yes to the first question at start... Funny
Remember this is the same guy who says the moon landing is fake. 🤣🤣
Important reflections right at the end. Completely agree. You gotta stay balanced. Good way to finish.
RIP Lil’ Sebastian #NeverForget
Agreed, son
-Ron Swanson
What is kinda interesting is that according to Joe, if I understood correctly, the bullet that was found couldn't have been the actual bullet because it was in too much of a pristine condition, but yet at the same time the single shot wasn't possible, because the bullet was in too pristine condition. Basicly he's saying that the bullet that was found wasn't the actual bullet, but when debunking the single shot theory he pretty mucj bases his conclusion on that it was the actual bullet
True...contradicts himself.
@Craig Dendy it's actually not. You just need to understand science and math. Plug in information and it matches. First bullet missed
Second bullet went through his neck, through other guys shoulder, which went through, spun out shoulder and spins on its exit, landing sideways on his hand.
Some people the second bullet zigzagged, but it didnt. The seat in front of Kennedy was adjusted with this metal lift, plus homebound was kind leaning over his seat as most people do, leaning his weight on door, so he was angled. But the wounds left are..... Kennedys neck, Homeboy shoulder and wrist(the bullet exiting shoulder and landing on hand, putting a deep gash in it. If you time the second hit, both Kennedy and Homeboy react at the same time to the hit. You yourself can go time it right now and see them both flinch at the same time. Go do it.
You see his wife turn to him like, what's going on. Kennedy is choking, reaching at his neck.
Last bullet of course goes into his head, huge piece blows off, that's where you see his wife lean over. Three shots. No Magic. And they've been able to recreate it easily
@@ammagnoliabollocks. Show me where they have recreated it perfectly?
#1 bullet Tague and concrete, #2 bullet stainless steel header near front windshield, #3 *through* windshield, #3 frontal shot hit JFK front throat, #4 hit JFK in rear back much lower than his collar, shall I go on..? #5 hit the grass hit nothing, #6 hits the back of JFK head at almost the same time the #7 hit the front right temple from the front.....yeah there was deff only [1] shooter. SMH
Exactly
The Vegas shooting totally disappeared into the abyss
I don’t know the intricacies of the ballistic analysis, but accidental discharge from friendly fire explains motivations for moderate coverup, insistence on a single shooter and magic bullet theory, justification of continued cover up not wanting to “hurt” the family, so incredibly well. Government actors are happy to blame other people but hate taking responsibility.
That friendly fire crap was debunked
Joe should have Richard Gage from ae911truth on.
I mean he had that crazy UFO guy, why not an engineer or architect from ae911truth?
Edgy Brah had him on his show
ua-cam.com/video/DbfqgZQG9AM/v-deo.html
He must go on JRE
Joe would just argue with him the whole time instead of listening or asking him questions.
Gage will show the truth ad it will shine through.
Meta Self
only interesting conspiracy theory that is intriguing to me involving 9/11 is tower 7 free falling
Ah yes, half the man's head is gone but we best put a tube down his next to help him breath
Triangular crossfire. With that in mind, a shot could've been shot from there. Just, not just three, and not the fatal shot, and not at that speed.
Watch the HD zipruder film at 1/4 speed and you can see the bullet going straight up... Only 1 person could of taken the shot that killed JFK
The provenance of the magic bullet is very sketchy. It fell out from under a gurney mat at Parkland hospital when someone bumped into it. No reasonable protocol was followed as it was handed from one person to another.
There’s audio of four shots they’re to close together to be from a bolt action rifle that was found to be the one lee used
One thing I will always believe and my whole family does is that there were more shooters than Oswald we shot a lot of guns and there’s now way an Italian carcano rifle can shoot that fast they were known to jam
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Watch the movie JFK and there’s a scene about the zapruder film (the video of Kennedy getting shot) and i bet it will change ur mind on this whole situation, it basically proves that there were multiple shooters
Lol no you arent citing JFK as a source oh no what is you doin baby
They actually found the bullet on a bed that he was never on outside of his room at the hospital
At least 2 shooters. And we all know it. The perpetual silence over this is the big insult. To all of us.
bro i thought we settled this it was magneto.
No, Erik tried to save him not kill him
@@raymondboop4069 and ended up doing what? drumroll please dundundun KILLED HIM
Joe "I'm a hunter, I know" Rogan
Grimbot2 it's a good point he has experience with bullets most don't he is forming an opinion based on his own knowledge.
Hes right you fucking idiot.
Grimbot2 Joe is right. Have you ever extracted a bullet out of an animal that you have shot?