You were setting weight, the min field tells the search how many of those you minimally want. the weight influences the "ranking" of the search result. All good in your video i think.
Only issue with this build is that it's contingent on hopes there are no bug fixes. and if tattoos are temporary then templar will still be the least desired class in the game for most players. Class ascendancies need a little more love.
@@MarkFin9423 I don't know anything that is "bugged" about this build. It seems likely that the elemental relics will get at least a slight nerf since they seem really OP for certain builds and obviously tattoo's might not go core, certainly not at their current power level. But that's very different from bug fixes.
I really wanna put out a big compliment to you now :D It's so much fun to just hop onto your YT channel every now and then and see something completely new that you apparently just came up with and wanted to share with the community. Doesnt matter if its crafting advice, new build ideas or showcases - you always show something i personally havent seen anybody else talk about and you do it in the most professional yet entertaining way. A true Dad-Gamer :D
Dude this build is a blast to play! Put it together with kind of a mix of some of the cheaper gear and some of the more high end stuff and it just immediately starting melting bosses. Can’t wait to put the rest of it together and get some more levels. Thanks for the idea
I did self chill poison version of the build under 15-20 divines is still has berserk and due self poison i am chaos cap in combat and it totally wroks!! Thank you for the build.
I'm pretty new to the game, only my second league and started playing HC. I love your content man, your deep dives on builds, the reason why and how you challenge the audience to think about why your doing what your doing to make the builds. Incredible content man and thanks for all your hard work!
I have watched alot of your guides, heck i slept to your 2 years old betrayal guide in depth, and I have yet to thank you, shame on me. You are by far the greates teacher in this game and as a "new" player i really appreciate your work. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, thank you! ❤
I think your elemental relic auras are overestimated a bit due to aura effect on the passive tree and/or gear (if you have any) applying to them when it shouldn't. I recommend creating a new PoB with only lvl 27 wrath, hatred, anger auras and export it as a support PoB and import this PoB in the "party" tab of your main build PoB.
I started crafting the gear for this build (around 50div so far) after your teaser vid because I enjoy LS but haven't played it in afew leagues. I made the character yesterday and it is pretty strong so far in low red maps. One complaint which you did mention in this vid is the amount of buttons is too much for me to feel good. I have almost stopped summoning Sentinel of Radiance except for bosses and I have completely removed self cast curse and withering steps. If the Sentinel of Radiance was auto cast like the Elemental Relics this build would be S tier in my books, still very fun to play tho!
No let up in work/family stuff so I feel like a guy standing in the rain looking at stuff in a shop display I can't afford watching this vid. Man, this build looks fun. POE looks fun. Games look fun. Can't wait till I get some good game time again.
I wish there was a step by step crafting guide for the gear for this build for idiots like me. Crafting in this game is overwhelming. That would help out newer players cuz I've only been playing for a month. When you describe crafting in the video, you're spitballing and I don't even understand half the terms. And I've watched crafting videos of yours and holy crap. It's overwhelming.
Okay guys, I've got the info everyone wants. Dated 09-22-23, buying everything at the auction house, it cost me about 58 divines. I didn't have enough currency to do the "final" build. My weapon isn't great, I don't have the synthesis ring (none on the market), my chest isn't double corrupted. As for the rest, I've got everything I need. I've also bought some slightly overpriced items, like the helmet for 8div and the boots for 10div. Gems are also a bit expensive, like 17div for the whole set. It's possible to reduce the build cost to 40-45div (without bis weapon, chest and ring) if you craft some items yourself. Otherwise for the final build with all "bis" item, cost might go over 120div. I haven't had a chance to test the build in action yet, but I'll update once I have.
Lots of the prices going back down already, just checked this morning. Much is opportunistic people trying to exploit the market which is always temporary.
I league started poison Molten Strike Trickster, it's been really fun. Hitting 70+ times a second (low estimate) gives some fun opportunities for things you might normally not use. I guess I have you to thank for my starter pneumatic dagger with mediocre damage rolls and no attack speed suddenly being worth multiple divs lol
I love this build, defeated Maven and Sirus for the first time with it. I'm pretty bummed it's gone in a week, but just gotta make the most of it while it lasts :)
It does work but we don't scale it enough to be worth unfortunately, I tested it and we get a little bump every 4 seconds but it's not enough for 4 passive points sadly.
@@subtractem I see yeah the passive tree seems quite tight. Anyways I've been anciously waiting for the video to drop and im super excited. Thank you for your hard work!
Just a clarification on mechanics, you step back a bit from the target you get: Your projectiles hit. Your extra strike's melee hits. Your projectiles return and hit. Your extra strike's projectiles return and hit. 20% of your projectiles return and hit 20% of your extra strike's projectiles return and hit. So, 4.4. I've tested this out with self poison on Kuduku, I'm certain of the 4. I'm not certain of the 0.4 as I don't have an anomalous returning projectiles support. Without the step back(this part really bugs me about lightning strike) you don't get the extra strike, so in that case it would be 2.2. I can't think of a scenario with 3.2.
I tested this extensively with self poison in pvp yesterday, it's 3.2. there was not a single scenario where i hit 4 poisons using superior returning projectiles, i hit 4 once in a while with anomalous. i tried all positions and scenarios.
@@subtractem I'm honestly not sure what's going on here. Are there different rules in PvP wrt projectiles? I just tested vs Kuduku. If I hug him, I get 2 stacks of poison. 1 on the initial melee hit, 1 on the return projectile. If I step back about 10 units, I get 4 stacks of poison. 2 on the initial hits(my projectiles, extra strike's melee) and 2 on the return(my projectiles, extra strike's projectiles).
@@dethwing6 just did some more science, figured it out (we're idiots). the person i was testing on had some block and soul of lunaris and it threw off our results. you are correct! the average is 4.2 poisons per attack which is INSANE. thanks for the knowledge friend!
Loving the build showcase, thanks Sub ! Quick question, can u Watcher's eye any of the auras the ascendancy gives ? Hatred / wrath / Anger ? Sorry if you talked abt it during the video, watched it twice, might have missed it lol not the best multitasker
What a fun concept, I'm glad you got to take it so far! It looks extremely well-rounded, whereas some of the builds I've seen are 50M dps glass canons lol.
unwavering crusade is just op. I played a cold divine ire inq with unwavering crusades and it was more than double damage. btw, have you considered elementalist for a build like this? golem pack, shaper of storms and primal aegis could work imo. could even utilize stuff like olesyas delight
Hey! Love this build and the mecanic. Can you tell me an ideia of budget for the entry and end game build? I'll not do this league I guess (maybe at the end, to practice and test)... but maybe for the next league, if we do not have much changes.
Hey Subtractem, hope you're doing well. I havent had the time to catch up onto your stream lately so I dont know if you have talked about this, but I'm thinking on leagus stsrting Poision LS Guardian using Fated End to make up for the dmg nerf (fix) and maybe Beacons of Madness + Vaal Rebuke to get online early. Any idea at all if itll be viable? Tyvm, love your content.
Warning! Dont do what I just did and use an eldrich ichor or ember on your blizzard crown. It removes the flat added cold damage. Now all those crowns are like 8 divs.... I want to cry.
Pob timeless jewel finder works pretty well too. Odd that you grab the two passives on the bottom of the timeless for 6 points when there's 3 passives in range that take only 2 each to reach.
@@subtractem I didn't mean on that particular jewel. But I suppose sometimes you have to take what you can get with timeless jewels. And even when you find something perfect like 116940 it's unlikely to even exist.
As soon as I saw the title I thought “oh of course that makes so much sense” though it looks like you’re not keeping up the relics well in the simulacrum - they die too quickly.
Have you thought about how this build could be improved using the new 'all damage can poison' tincture? Coming from a person on a leaguestart/ssf budget :)
Hi Subtractem, The build looks awesome! This is an annoying question I am sure but, I have been farming for my first mageblood this league and am almost there. Would a mageblood add much value here? Any off the top changes you would need to make to fit it besides potentially different flask rolls to cover the res loss from stygian? I ask mostly from a "for-fun" perspective, not necessarily min maxing further.
You'd go for a res flask yeah, possibly just a suffix for res would be enough. The armor and attack speed that you'd get would be huge. Would definitely level up the build.
The build looks interesting. I'm going to try this out in standard soon, since i don't think I'll get time to make another build this league. That character name on this video though had me rofl 😅
Unfortunately build is dead in a week, or at least reduced to semi-playable. The returning projectiles are going to be "Fixed" and will do less damage with both hits and afflictions next league.
You must know when you manual curse an enemy with anomalous despair and then hit them your despair on hit ring, the despair on hit overwrites the manual cast every time so what is the point?
12:41 Is there some reason not to use Arcanist Brand instead of Bane for hexes? You don't lose any curse effect so more damage, and it keeps it on one button. With that much damage you only really need it for single-target anyways.
You can, I find it slow and clunky though. Also, I missed one thing I meant to mention: you can toss on a Fated End ring which makes your curses MUCH stronger and Bane actually gives you more uptime of higher damage because of the less curse effect initially.
How would you league start towards this? Literally only spec in Super Sayan? What about up to it? Is there a vod of your gameplay? Tyvm for the content. Also, any idea how this build compares to Tuna's build? Faster, Tankier, more dmg etc?
I ran Absolution and just took minion nodes. It was insanely strong through the campaign. I made a video on it last week. I looked at Tuna's build this morning. His is insanely tanky but lower damage for the investment (this version does 3x the damage against Ubers). If you want pure defense and speed I think PF is safer but if you want higher damage ceiling and (assuming no economy shenanigans) a cheaper setup I think this version wins in that regard.
@@subtractem Hey, thank you for the honest reply, I figured just as much. I hope you delve further into this build, in case there is anything else to develop (maybe a league start guide, even if it's small 😁). Cya!
@@cgt6611 If tattoos stay in the game there's a good chance I league start Guardian. You can't league start this build though, it's too complicated. I'll likely start Absolution/Dominating Blow and switch when I gather the pieces.
Oh I'm league starting super sayan anyway, unless our boi gets nerfed. I really hope tattoos stay around as well. they're sooo enabling for many builds. Waiting to see your guide!@@subtractem
Neato build. Got the gear and just entering maps. So far so good. But how do you cast Malevolence? Seems like ES isn't enough (PoB gives the same warning too).
The less/reduced projectile damage not affecting poison is a known thing. Go look at all the poison spark builds over the years and they consistently skip the repeater/streamlined type of cluster jewels which are normally great for spark builds, specifically because projectile damage does not effect poison directly.
Correct, the wording on return projectiles is a bit unique however. It specifically says "projectiles deal less damage" instead of "less projectile damage" which, to me, could possibly mean that the damage they inflict is less than specific projectile damage. It's just an interesting wording that means I wouldn't be surprised if it did end up being a bug.
@@subtractem True, but the key part is that poisons aren't "inheriting" any projectile damage scaling regardless so it only impacts the base damage of the hit poison is scaling from. So it does have an effect but a much smaller one relatively.
I knew it for things like lmp/gmp but the wording of return projectiles and temp chains nerf this league made me think they were hitting poison specifically. Great to know its not a thing , i would be more inclined to use it with a molten strike poison build which is what i believe i used when i ran something similar a few leagues ago
hey subtractem do u think this build is still susceptible in affliction league? because they fixed returning projectiles poison chance. also tattoos will be very expensive.
What is the best way to craft the despair on hit ring? I've tried using awakener's orb several times but end with terrible rings. Sorry if this was covered and I missed it.
i like you video, because you make me want to stop playing, you are such in another level.... for a player like me with 1 yeah experience.... its mindblowing.
great build guide for all levels, one thing i think the pathfinder version does better is the physical max hit taken, which is very important for bossing
besides very big slams we have enough phys max hit to even sustain through eater's shotgun tentacles. there's enough here for ubers, not sure what else you need.
Hey, in the PoB it shows on the high-end build total count of hits to be 4 and in the config there's +6% more damage from anom projectiles. But after running some math on the discord we came to calculation of 6 projectiles, each with 20% to return --> 74% to gain an extra hit. So that would mean that the total damage would be 3.74 in the counts, but since that only takes integers, we just assumed a 25% more damage modifier and leave the count to 3. Would it be possible to explain how you end up with count = 4 and then still the additional 6% more modifier? In all my tests I've never seen the projectiles return again after the bonus return from anomalous (and I've tested this quite a bit). Discussion was held in your discord, feel free to pitch in there as well, just trying to understand the extact numbers :D
It hits 4.2 times, I tested this extensively in PvP. 1. The initial melee hit 2. Additional melee hit with +1 target 3. Projectile out 4. Projectile in 5. Anomalous for 20% of an additional projectile
@@subtractem ah yeah the +1 strike is added there. Btw isn't it then 4.74 since you have 6 projectiles, each with 20% chance to return (but only 1 hit counts), so that's 26% chance all don't return, so total hits ends up being 4.74, or count=4, and 18.5% more dmg modifier.
Hello, This build looks great and I definitly want to get into it. I've opened the PoB however, and don't understand where all the resistances are coming from? Because on the gear is almost only chaos resistance. I don't find it on the tree either, so I'm very confused about that. Because I cannot everything be from purity of elements, can it?
Was looking for a new build (to me) and this is it, level 70 so far but think I'm missing something. Kaom's Spirit gloves appear to break Time of Need life regen. I have Berserk on CWDT + Kaom's gloves and this works great but now Time of Need no longer pops life regen every 4 seconds. If this is as intended, is ToN even required or it to replenish Rage only now? Sorry if this is a stupid question :) Admittedly I'm not at red maps yet and have a few pieces of gear to go. Thanks!
Only at 7:00 but wanna ask before I forget, what would you say the intro budget for this is? I've been getting annoyed with my Boneshatter Jugg and the won't hit bug that's never fixed and looking for another melee and this looks very fun
You mean when you're like on top of an enemy you can't hit em? I'm having that problem with boneshatter too. Stacking +1 weapon range best QoL I've found. I use 5
I really don't like saying specific numbers but I'll say "less than 30 divines" you should have a pretty nice feeling build but it will take more to really pop off. The problem is I've already seen people buying up the items for the build for price fixing so talking about prices at all is impossible. :(
NVFM it works for ruthless XD Let me guess... A divine budget? How could anyone outside hc ssf or just ssf ever build something this cool is beyond me. I wish the sc game's build diversity and viability was present in other mods just scaled down in damage.
100% deli is totally possible, pretty much if a build can do wave 30 simu (which i show in the intro) it can do 100% deli. nimis doesn't feel that good for LS, especially with a lower projectile count. it's really easy to miss with it and the ring itself has very bad stats on it. it can be used but i dont recommend it.
I love this build, but I have a problem. Sometimes monsters slain me frecuently in maps t14. I'm using the entry level build and I dont find the problem. Any suggestion? Thanks for advance.
How does the dagger work? I assume we still need to get 100% chance to poison with attacks so wouldn’t that make LS poison regardless if you’re using the dagger or not. Might be a stupid question
The dagger makes all damage with it poison, meaning you can poison with elemental damage, that's the upside of the dagger, you still need chance to poison of course.
@@subtractem yeah Kaoms ontop of return proj is rough. Would love to see you re-visit it and come up with a solution. Warlord Mark CoC to replace rage somehow? Not sure how you go about getting the return proj back in a good spot. I saw Tuna has a pathfinder version that maybe could help ?
@@subtractem sweet, thank ya. Been wanting to mess with new guardian and I've been using coc fr for the past several leagues in Standard, this looks like a good change of pace :D won't have tattoos but I'll find other ways to improve the build
Has anyone compared (loreweave + Dawnbreaker + Eternal Damnation) to (Fouth Vow + Divine Flesh + Saffrel's Frame)? I've been running the latter combo this league and especially if you're not using ES as a main defensive layer it seems like it should be stronger than Loreweave + DB + ED, but I would love to know if anyone has first hand experience with this.
Guys I have a realy wierd question, I was using divergent vaal lightning strike for a while and when I pressed the button my character was casting the skill normaly. I have switched to anomalous version and now when I press the button my character moves to cursor THAN casts the skill. Is it normal?
@@subtractem Damn I didn't even know there is an option for it, also thank you for the guide, this is probably the most complex build I have ever played, even a casual player like me is doing 23M dps atm.
@@subtractem I was jumping on it and couldnt find it. Ill check better sorry. Also gratz on the video, I love to make mf builds with different skills and was thinking of working on different ascendacies. The life regen is ridiculous and Ill take inspiration from this. Gl! Edit: its in the build theory section in detail?, if not I cant find it.
Thank you. I cant access the game right now, do you know how they interact with Sublime vision?, do you become "immune" to gaining the aura from the minions?, if lets say you have haste sublime.
Any ideas on how to transfer to this build from the levelling guardian build? What items u need to get the ball rolling? Would it be the chest, amulet, shield and dagger?
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Note: when searching timeless jewel the results were skewed because I accidentally was setting max weighting instead of min, don't do that!
You were setting weight, the min field tells the search how many of those you minimally want. the weight influences the "ranking" of the search result. All good in your video i think.
Only issue with this build is that it's contingent on hopes there are no bug fixes. and if tattoos are temporary then templar will still be the least desired class in the game for most players. Class ascendancies need a little more love.
@@MarkFin9423 I don't know anything that is "bugged" about this build. It seems likely that the elemental relics will get at least a slight nerf since they seem really OP for certain builds and obviously tattoo's might not go core, certainly not at their current power level. But that's very different from bug fixes.
totally unrelated Subtractem, I am looking for adjustable standing desk, I remember you have/had one, whats the brand please?
I really wanna put out a big compliment to you now :D It's so much fun to just hop onto your YT channel every now and then and see something completely new that you apparently just came up with and wanted to share with the community. Doesnt matter if its crafting advice, new build ideas or showcases - you always show something i personally havent seen anybody else talk about and you do it in the most professional yet entertaining way. A true Dad-Gamer :D
Dude this build is a blast to play! Put it together with kind of a mix of some of the cheaper gear and some of the more high end stuff and it just immediately starting melting bosses. Can’t wait to put the rest of it together and get some more levels. Thanks for the idea
I did self chill poison version of the build under 15-20 divines is still has berserk and due self poison i am chaos cap in combat and it totally wroks!! Thank you for the build.
it's 6:30 AM here, have to leave to work soon and you got me excited to return home to try this build.
I'm pretty new to the game, only my second league and started playing HC. I love your content man, your deep dives on builds, the reason why and how you challenge the audience to think about why your doing what your doing to make the builds. Incredible content man and thanks for all your hard work!
I have watched alot of your guides, heck i slept to your 2 years old betrayal guide in depth, and I have yet to thank you, shame on me.
You are by far the greates teacher in this game and as a "new" player i really appreciate your work.
Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, thank you! ❤
The tech does look like a lot of fun to play with. I saw your teaser and have been eagerly looking forward to playing with it. Cheers!
I love the new guardian ancestry, but I hadn't yet found a build that convinced me. This one looks super solid and fun. I'll try it!
I think your elemental relic auras are overestimated a bit due to aura effect on the passive tree and/or gear (if you have any) applying to them when it shouldn't. I recommend creating a new PoB with only lvl 27 wrath, hatred, anger auras and export it as a support PoB and import this PoB in the "party" tab of your main build PoB.
it has been modified in the pobs to be a support aura from a party member.
you should submit this one to build of the week! a lot of cool mechanics and intricate parts
i sent it to ggg, we'll see what they say!
I started crafting the gear for this build (around 50div so far) after your teaser vid because I enjoy LS but haven't played it in afew leagues. I made the character yesterday and it is pretty strong so far in low red maps. One complaint which you did mention in this vid is the amount of buttons is too much for me to feel good. I have almost stopped summoning Sentinel of Radiance except for bosses and I have completely removed self cast curse and withering steps. If the Sentinel of Radiance was auto cast like the Elemental Relics this build would be S tier in my books, still very fun to play tho!
Currently farming on my league start fire trap/frostblink build to get currency to get this put together. I'm so excited.
No let up in work/family stuff so I feel like a guy standing in the rain looking at stuff in a shop display I can't afford watching this vid. Man, this build looks fun. POE looks fun. Games look fun. Can't wait till I get some good game time again.
Sub, love the content a lot man, genuinely look forward to the builds you create, looking forward to running this beast! Thank you again!
I wish there was a step by step crafting guide for the gear for this build for idiots like me. Crafting in this game is overwhelming. That would help out newer players cuz I've only been playing for a month. When you describe crafting in the video, you're spitballing and I don't even understand half the terms. And I've watched crafting videos of yours and holy crap. It's overwhelming.
Okay guys, I've got the info everyone wants. Dated 09-22-23, buying everything at the auction house, it cost me about 58 divines. I didn't have enough currency to do the "final" build. My weapon isn't great, I don't have the synthesis ring (none on the market), my chest isn't double corrupted. As for the rest, I've got everything I need. I've also bought some slightly overpriced items, like the helmet for 8div and the boots for 10div. Gems are also a bit expensive, like 17div for the whole set. It's possible to reduce the build cost to 40-45div (without bis weapon, chest and ring) if you craft some items yourself. Otherwise for the final build with all "bis" item, cost might go over 120div.
I haven't had a chance to test the build in action yet, but I'll update once I have.
Lots of the prices going back down already, just checked this morning. Much is opportunistic people trying to exploit the market which is always temporary.
I league started poison Molten Strike Trickster, it's been really fun. Hitting 70+ times a second (low estimate) gives some fun opportunities for things you might normally not use.
I guess I have you to thank for my starter pneumatic dagger with mediocre damage rolls and no attack speed suddenly being worth multiple divs lol
I love this build, defeated Maven and Sirus for the first time with it. I'm pretty bummed it's gone in a week, but just gotta make the most of it while it lasts :)
With the acendency and khao,'s gloves, you can get the node from revcovery mastery to still benefit from the 100% life regen. Unless that was a bug
It does work but we don't scale it enough to be worth unfortunately, I tested it and we get a little bump every 4 seconds but it's not enough for 4 passive points sadly.
@@subtractem I see yeah the passive tree seems quite tight. Anyways I've been anciously waiting for the video to drop and im super excited. Thank you for your hard work!
@@subtractem4 passives isn’t worth a whole potion slot? Couldn’t you drop the life flask?
With the mastery I'm currently getting 210 life as a chunk every 4 seconds. That does not replace a life flask at all.
Just a clarification on mechanics, you step back a bit from the target you get:
Your projectiles hit.
Your extra strike's melee hits.
Your projectiles return and hit.
Your extra strike's projectiles return and hit.
20% of your projectiles return and hit
20% of your extra strike's projectiles return and hit.
So, 4.4. I've tested this out with self poison on Kuduku, I'm certain of the 4. I'm not certain of the 0.4 as I don't have an anomalous returning projectiles support. Without the step back(this part really bugs me about lightning strike) you don't get the extra strike, so in that case it would be 2.2. I can't think of a scenario with 3.2.
wasn't the double hit removed when LS lost all its projectiles?
@@stephanosphilippides6380 Nope. I've tested it this patch(3.22).
I tested this extensively with self poison in pvp yesterday, it's 3.2. there was not a single scenario where i hit 4 poisons using superior returning projectiles, i hit 4 once in a while with anomalous.
i tried all positions and scenarios.
@@subtractem I'm honestly not sure what's going on here. Are there different rules in PvP wrt projectiles?
I just tested vs Kuduku. If I hug him, I get 2 stacks of poison. 1 on the initial melee hit, 1 on the return projectile.
If I step back about 10 units, I get 4 stacks of poison. 2 on the initial hits(my projectiles, extra strike's melee) and 2 on the return(my projectiles, extra strike's projectiles).
@@dethwing6 just did some more science, figured it out (we're idiots). the person i was testing on had some block and soul of lunaris and it threw off our results. you are correct! the average is 4.2 poisons per attack which is INSANE. thanks for the knowledge friend!
so quinn pulled the ole 'copy my homework but dont make it obvious' strat. classic
did he?
Loving the build showcase, thanks Sub ! Quick question, can u Watcher's eye any of the auras the ascendancy gives ? Hatred / wrath / Anger ?
Sorry if you talked abt it during the video, watched it twice, might have missed it lol not the best multitasker
totally can! watcher's eye only says "affected" by so they'll all work. those relics are awesome!
What a fun concept, I'm glad you got to take it so far! It looks extremely well-rounded, whereas some of the builds I've seen are 50M dps glass canons lol.
I have the Pathfinder version of this but honestly I really love guardian too maybe I'll have something to do this weekend😊
I always love ur guides and vids. I only play tanky Builds so this looks very interesting. Can it be played in SSF? Please answer ❤
unwavering crusade is just op. I played a cold divine ire inq with unwavering crusades and it was more than double damage. btw, have you considered elementalist for a build like this? golem pack, shaper of storms and primal aegis could work imo. could even utilize stuff like olesyas delight
Hey! Love this build and the mecanic.
Can you tell me an ideia of budget for the entry and end game build?
I'll not do this league I guess (maybe at the end, to practice and test)... but maybe for the next league, if we do not have much changes.
Superb stuff (as usual)
as someone pointed out in the messages . Its in discord which i downloaded and i deleted my comments cause it felt very very ignorant
Hey Subtractem, hope you're doing well.
I havent had the time to catch up onto your stream lately so I dont know if you have talked about this, but I'm thinking on leagus stsrting Poision LS Guardian using Fated End to make up for the dmg nerf (fix) and maybe Beacons of Madness + Vaal Rebuke to get online early.
Any idea at all if itll be viable? Tyvm, love your content.
very cool new build! poison 😮
when you had the time also care about slow POErs with frost blink + FT would love an update + POB 🙌
There's lots of end game pobs out there. I fully covered the fire trap progression last league especially. What exactly are you looking for?
@@subtractem which ones do you recommend?
can you paste some POBs here that you think pushes late game according to your build or close?
Nice build! I miss my poison light strike assassin now
yeah will take a lot of rethinking to figure out the new version of it.
Might choose this as test build #5 for the league. It seems that the ascendancy levels well enough.
Gonna try this build now ill start a templar today
One awesome human being bought all the blizzard crowns with ls +2. They're 6 divines now. Thanks for the build though, looks awesome.
Oof. Hate when people do that. Can totally play without a blizzard crown, though!
@@subtractem thank you for the response! While I have you, better to go blizz crown, or enchant to start?
blizz crown is better damage, enchant is better clear. can always pay a lab runner to get the enchant later or go for it yourself if you want.
@@subtractem Thanks kindly for your time, much appreciated!
Warning! Dont do what I just did and use an eldrich ichor or ember on your blizzard crown. It removes the flat added cold damage. Now all those crowns are like 8 divs.... I want to cry.
Pob timeless jewel finder works pretty well too. Odd that you grab the two passives on the bottom of the timeless for 6 points when there's 3 passives in range that take only 2 each to reach.
The 2 pointers are low value for the build. the 10% life one is ok but the others do little to nothing.
@@subtractem I didn't mean on that particular jewel. But I suppose sometimes you have to take what you can get with timeless jewels. And even when you find something perfect like 116940 it's unlikely to even exist.
As soon as I saw the title I thought “oh of course that makes so much sense” though it looks like you’re not keeping up the relics well in the simulacrum - they die too quickly.
Have you thought about how this build could be improved using the new 'all damage can poison' tincture? Coming from a person on a leaguestart/ssf budget :)
Hi Subtractem,
The build looks awesome! This is an annoying question I am sure but, I have been farming for my first mageblood this league and am almost there. Would a mageblood add much value here? Any off the top changes you would need to make to fit it besides potentially different flask rolls to cover the res loss from stygian?
I ask mostly from a "for-fun" perspective, not necessarily min maxing further.
You'd go for a res flask yeah, possibly just a suffix for res would be enough. The armor and attack speed that you'd get would be huge. Would definitely level up the build.
Great build, thanks. Do you know if the auras from the relics count as being "from your skills"?
I don't believe they do so you can't juice them up further.
The build looks interesting. I'm going to try this out in standard soon, since i don't think I'll get time to make another build this league. That character name on this video though had me rofl 😅
Unfortunately build is dead in a week, or at least reduced to semi-playable. The returning projectiles are going to be "Fixed" and will do less damage with both hits and afflictions next league.
You must know when you manual curse an enemy with anomalous despair and then hit them your despair on hit ring, the despair on hit overwrites the manual cast every time so what is the point?
that's for a fated end swap for bossing damage, the footage was cut from this because im going to make a specific video on it today.
love the build so far, but i have a small struggel what tattoo do you youse to get unwavering stance to the right side of the tree :D
12:41 Is there some reason not to use Arcanist Brand instead of Bane for hexes? You don't lose any curse effect so more damage, and it keeps it on one button. With that much damage you only really need it for single-target anyways.
You can, I find it slow and clunky though. Also, I missed one thing I meant to mention: you can toss on a Fated End ring which makes your curses MUCH stronger and Bane actually gives you more uptime of higher damage because of the less curse effect initially.
Which two build makers did you collaborate with?
Nick_Tator was the big idea guy and Palsteron gave me optimizations as well as the Kaom's Spirit tech.
Thanks! Would love to learn a bit more about build making. Great work, as usual.
How would you league start towards this? Literally only spec in Super Sayan? What about up to it? Is there a vod of your gameplay? Tyvm for the content.
Also, any idea how this build compares to Tuna's build? Faster, Tankier, more dmg etc?
I ran Absolution and just took minion nodes. It was insanely strong through the campaign. I made a video on it last week.
I looked at Tuna's build this morning. His is insanely tanky but lower damage for the investment (this version does 3x the damage against Ubers). If you want pure defense and speed I think PF is safer but if you want higher damage ceiling and (assuming no economy shenanigans) a cheaper setup I think this version wins in that regard.
@@subtractem Hey, thank you for the honest reply, I figured just as much.
I hope you delve further into this build, in case there is anything else to develop (maybe a league start guide, even if it's small 😁). Cya!
@@cgt6611 If tattoos stay in the game there's a good chance I league start Guardian. You can't league start this build though, it's too complicated. I'll likely start Absolution/Dominating Blow and switch when I gather the pieces.
Oh I'm league starting super sayan anyway, unless our boi gets nerfed. I really hope tattoos stay around as well. they're sooo enabling for many builds.
Waiting to see your guide!@@subtractem
Neato build. Got the gear and just entering maps. So far so good. But how do you cast Malevolence? Seems like ES isn't enough (PoB gives the same warning too).
With lepers alms you'll have plenty, to use with a dawn breaker you need to link malev with divergent inspiration
Ah I see....thanks for the reply! Much appreciated @@subtractem
Great video.
The less/reduced projectile damage not affecting poison is a known thing. Go look at all the poison spark builds over the years and they consistently skip the repeater/streamlined type of cluster jewels which are normally great for spark builds, specifically because projectile damage does not effect poison directly.
Correct, the wording on return projectiles is a bit unique however. It specifically says "projectiles deal less damage" instead of "less projectile damage" which, to me, could possibly mean that the damage they inflict is less than specific projectile damage. It's just an interesting wording that means I wouldn't be surprised if it did end up being a bug.
@@subtractem True, but the key part is that poisons aren't "inheriting" any projectile damage scaling regardless so it only impacts the base damage of the hit poison is scaling from. So it does have an effect but a much smaller one relatively.
I knew it for things like lmp/gmp but the wording of return projectiles and temp chains nerf this league made me think they were hitting poison specifically. Great to know its not a thing , i would be more inclined to use it with a molten strike poison build which is what i believe i used when i ran something similar a few leagues ago
hey subtractem do u think this build is still susceptible in affliction league? because they fixed returning projectiles poison chance. also tattoos will be very expensive.
Tattoos are gone and the build likely lost about 25-40% damage in this state. Possible to fix it but haven't thought through it yet.
just when i rolled my spark into guardian skele mages now i want to re roll it again lol
Is this build still viable in 3.23?
What is the best way to craft the despair on hit ring? I've tried using awakener's orb several times but end with terrible rings. Sorry if this was covered and I missed it.
What hideout map are you using? How do you have the see through ground?
As a person who has been trying and failing to do a tanky build: can this tank the Uber shaper slam? If not, what does it need to do it? Thank you :)
i like you video, because you make me want to stop playing, you are such in another level.... for a player like me with 1 yeah experience.... its mindblowing.
great build guide for all levels, one thing i think the pathfinder version does better is the physical max hit taken, which is very important for bossing
besides very big slams we have enough phys max hit to even sustain through eater's shotgun tentacles. there's enough here for ubers, not sure what else you need.
Hey, in the PoB it shows on the high-end build total count of hits to be 4 and in the config there's +6% more damage from anom projectiles. But after running some math on the discord we came to calculation of 6 projectiles, each with 20% to return --> 74% to gain an extra hit. So that would mean that the total damage would be 3.74 in the counts, but since that only takes integers, we just assumed a 25% more damage modifier and leave the count to 3.
Would it be possible to explain how you end up with count = 4 and then still the additional 6% more modifier? In all my tests I've never seen the projectiles return again after the bonus return from anomalous (and I've tested this quite a bit).
Discussion was held in your discord, feel free to pitch in there as well, just trying to understand the extact numbers :D
It hits 4.2 times, I tested this extensively in PvP.
1. The initial melee hit
2. Additional melee hit with +1 target
3. Projectile out
4. Projectile in
5. Anomalous for 20% of an additional projectile
@@subtractem ah yeah the +1 strike is added there. Btw isn't it then 4.74 since you have 6 projectiles, each with 20% chance to return (but only 1 hit counts), so that's 26% chance all don't return, so total hits ends up being 4.74, or count=4, and 18.5% more dmg modifier.
Hello,
This build looks great and I definitly want to get into it. I've opened the PoB however, and don't understand where all the resistances are coming from? Because on the gear is almost only chaos resistance. I don't find it on the tree either, so I'm very confused about that. Because I cannot everything be from purity of elements, can it?
Look in the config notes. The gear has no suffixes, you can get the res easily from there.
Was looking for a new build (to me) and this is it, level 70 so far but think I'm missing something.
Kaom's Spirit gloves appear to break Time of Need life regen.
I have Berserk on CWDT + Kaom's gloves and this works great but now Time of Need no longer pops life regen every 4 seconds. If this is as intended, is ToN even required or it to replenish Rage only now?
Sorry if this is a stupid question :) Admittedly I'm not at red maps yet and have a few pieces of gear to go.
Thanks!
read what kaom's spirit does
Only at 7:00 but wanna ask before I forget, what would you say the intro budget for this is?
I've been getting annoyed with my Boneshatter Jugg and the won't hit bug that's never fixed and looking for another melee and this looks very fun
You mean when you're like on top of an enemy you can't hit em? I'm having that problem with boneshatter too. Stacking +1 weapon range best QoL I've found. I use 5
I really don't like saying specific numbers but I'll say "less than 30 divines" you should have a pretty nice feeling build but it will take more to really pop off. The problem is I've already seen people buying up the items for the build for price fixing so talking about prices at all is impossible. :(
@@kylebusc3624 yea I've got some weapon range but it still happens, especially with mobs that jump inside you. Really drives me nuts.
@@subtractem that's understandable, I don't expect you to be perfect on the projection. I just wanted an idea of what I was looking at.
NVFM it works for ruthless XD
Let me guess... A divine budget? How could anyone outside hc ssf or just ssf ever build something this cool is beyond me. I wish the sc game's build diversity and viability was present in other mods just scaled down in damage.
Gonna play this. Any idea if 100% deli is possible? Also, why no Nimis?
100% deli is totally possible, pretty much if a build can do wave 30 simu (which i show in the intro) it can do 100% deli.
nimis doesn't feel that good for LS, especially with a lower projectile count. it's really easy to miss with it and the ring itself has very bad stats on it. it can be used but i dont recommend it.
I know what I'm doing this weekend
How would the pathfinder version work, is there a guide or pob i can follow?
I love this build, but I have a problem. Sometimes monsters slain me frecuently in maps t14. I'm using the entry level build and I dont find the problem. Any suggestion? Thanks for advance.
armour 16000
phys dmg reduction 67%
Spell dmg supp chance 58%
Supp spell dmg prev 53%
resistances: > 76%
How much life do you have? Perfectly rolled dawnbreaker? I would advise joining discord and asking in the build channel for help.
@@subtractem dawnbreaker almost perfect. Life 3600.
guessing this build works with Molten strike without much or any change?
How does the dagger work? I assume we still need to get 100% chance to poison with attacks so wouldn’t that make LS poison regardless if you’re using the dagger or not. Might be a stupid question
The dagger makes all damage with it poison, meaning you can poison with elemental damage, that's the upside of the dagger, you still need chance to poison of course.
thank you very much, 3k hours and im still learning lol@@carlosrojas1012
what do you think we could replace kaoms gauntlets with for 3.23?
This build got super nerfed by the Return Proj change. I'll have to think through all the implications of the changes.
@@subtractem yeah Kaoms ontop of return proj is rough. Would love to see you re-visit it and come up with a solution. Warlord Mark CoC to replace rage somehow? Not sure how you go about getting the return proj back in a good spot. I saw Tuna has a pathfinder version that maybe could help ?
Would be cool to see league start version for 3.23
Not a league start build but I'm probably planning on league starting guardian into it. Going to start testing that soon.
Heya, one question you can kill every uberboss?
Easily.
So I got together the starter version and I don't know what im doing wrong but I am not leeching at all from hitting mobs . Really confused here
You need a life gain on hit ring ideally. Can also use alternate quality blood rage.
I wonder if LS or Molten Strike would be better for this type of build
I tried Ms first. It felt awful for mapping. Likely better single target but the clear was unplayable. Vaal LS is too good.
ty for the insight, I've been playing Guardian MS since league launch, so was interested in some new variation. Will try this out.@@subtractem
If I were to make this in standard console, which I mostly play, would I just be able to use mageblood? Or is a stygian or something better?
Mageblood solves your res for free, yes you can do that.
@@subtractem sweet, thank ya. Been wanting to mess with new guardian and I've been using coc fr for the past several leagues in Standard, this looks like a good change of pace :D won't have tattoos but I'll find other ways to improve the build
@@subtractem ''for free'' yeah lol, free mageblood, maybe if you're Allie 🤣🤣
what's the red space floor effect? I have the divergence one but not the one you use in the middle :p
that's just the Corruption environment effect over Divergence
Has anyone compared (loreweave + Dawnbreaker + Eternal Damnation) to (Fouth Vow + Divine Flesh + Saffrel's Frame)? I've been running the latter combo this league and especially if you're not using ES as a main defensive layer it seems like it should be stronger than Loreweave + DB + ED, but I would love to know if anyone has first hand experience with this.
Guys I have a realy wierd question, I was using divergent vaal lightning strike for a while and when I pressed the button my character was casting the skill normaly. I have switched to anomalous version and now when I press the button my character moves to cursor THAN casts the skill. Is it normal?
You have to select attack without moving
@@subtractem Damn I didn't even know there is an option for it, also thank you for the guide, this is probably the most complex build I have ever played, even a casual player like me is doing 23M dps atm.
All of the poison LS builds look so cool, I don't know which one to go for
5 leagues ago i played an assassin version, long before the poison buffs, using same dagger + inpuslas chest body armor... it was so fun
Could you explain the mechanic behind having 3 lvl 27 auras for free?, or how does the guardian achieve this, ty.
It is in the video, whole section on it.
@@subtractem I was jumping on it and couldnt find it. Ill check better sorry.
Also gratz on the video, I love to make mf builds with different skills and was thinking of working on different ascendacies. The life regen is ridiculous and Ill take inspiration from this.
Gl!
Edit: its in the build theory section in detail?, if not I cant find it.
it's at 9:00
Thank you. I cant access the game right now, do you know how they interact with Sublime vision?, do you become "immune" to gaining the aura from the minions?, if lets say you have haste sublime.
how do we get unwavering stance on the node? do we just spam makanui keystone tattoo and hope we get it?
that's how i got it yeah, even better for most scenarios would be lethe shade but i didn't hit it in 20 tattoos.
Is there aby chance for auto-summoning the sentinel od radiance?
No sadly. You can make him last longer with minion duration but that's it.
which pantheon to take guys?
is 200 div enough for the endgame version ? and how to level it thx in advance
200 is more than plenty. Around 100 you should be incredibly strong.
is there a leveling guide ?
@@subtractem
a leveling guide for this build doesnt make sense
the relic auras don't count your aura effectiveness from like say sovereignty. So the auras aren't doing as much as you think they are.
We've fixed the pobs so the auras are external, that's all sorted now.
Why not sniper mark ? It doesnt work with returning projectiles ?
would only do on hit damage, not poison
@@subtractem Oh okay, thx !
First!? Early showcase looking good! I run it on pathfinder
450div is it possible to build this build?
*thumbs up*
how do u recover life? my life leech is not strong enough to recover life
life gain on hit ring
Are you immune stun ? And how if yes ?
For the entry level version you can use a Flask Craft + Boot Enchant + Brine King, later on you can spam tattoos and aim for Unwavering Stance.
@@subtractem Oh i didn't see your Tatoo Unwavering Stance, good job!
doesn't the unwavering stance notable overwrite spell suppression entirely?
Not at all
@@subtractem is that a bug in pob then or am i missing something
@@adriancorkerball4464 My suppression doesn't change at all when I click it in PoB. you may have to update to the latest version.
@@subtractem You are spot on, you do God's work, the only slight is that you have to deal with idiots like me, the build is awesome
what skills to use while leveling
Absolution is the easiest guardian leveling
Why do you have a cwdt setup with a lvl 1 cwdt and a berserk lvl 20. I dont understand
Berserk is on left click. It's separate.
@@subtractem I feel so dumb lmao. Thanks
Can i use the same gear and just play it on pathfinder?
I checked out the PF version this morning and, while there's a some overlap, they're actually fairly different builds.
@@subtractem I tried to build the pf one and idk it doesn’t feel good. I made a mistake lol
how does he have the clock? ive seen someone else with it whats the mtx called?
timekeeper's map device, in the current mystery box
@@subtractem thank you!
Any ideas on how to transfer to this build from the levelling guardian build? What items u need to get the ball rolling? Would it be the chest, amulet, shield and dagger?
there are Keystone tattoos, so you CAN get Resolute Technique
Elle overload might have an issue with that.
as said above, i dont want RT because of EO
hi sorry is there a pob for this build that im missing somewhere
Discord pob channel. It helps me organize and maintain them in a central place.
Awesome thank you @@subtractem