LEAGUE OF LEGENDS WAVE MANAGEMENT - FULL INDEPTH GUIDE

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  • Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
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    0:00 Intro
    0:19 How To Control Waves
    2:24 When and Why To Control Waves
    2:30 Slow Pushing
    5:19 Fast Pushing
    7:16 Freezing
    10:32 Wave in the Middle
    14:20 Specific Openers and Timings
    14:31 3 Wave Crash
    15:45 2 Wave Crash
    16:46 Cheater Recall
    17:41 Letting the Wave Push
    18:29 Freezing at Level 1
    19:32 Freezing for Ganks
    19:55 Fast Pushing Cannon Waves
    20:30 Freeze into Base
    22:22 Teleport vs No Teleport
    23:18 Most Common Mistakes
    26:22 Outro
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  • @ShokLeague
    @ShokLeague  Рік тому +20

    Coaching available here! metafy.gg/@shok

    • @isaacweber242
      @isaacweber242 Рік тому +1

      shok thank you for the lessons. as a new player it's really hard to pick up all the strategies in league. it definitely makes it easier with your guides👍

  • @raijinnski
    @raijinnski Рік тому +268

    Babe! wakeup! We'll be late for our wave management lesson with shok

  • @Bartzol
    @Bartzol Рік тому +208

    Hands down, this is the best wave control guide I've ever seen. The only thing that I missed in here is the advantage of diving with a big wave to increase the probability of a successful dive and to deny a huge amount of creeps.
    All of your guides are so condensed and straight to the point while taken many factors into account. I love it!

    • @vinaayagamkarunagaran3439
      @vinaayagamkarunagaran3439 Рік тому +5

      yeah, i am low elo and just learning viktor and whenever i play him, i just lose cause i either die 1 vs 1 or get camped, after this guide, i just freeze the wave in front of my tower and scaled to late game, plus with viktor's great waveclear, i can punish roams by simply pinging and turning that freeze into a fast push, ended up even getting a quadra at that game

    • @Zwagfan1
      @Zwagfan1 9 місяців тому

      Not anymore

  • @noitsbecky1795
    @noitsbecky1795 Рік тому +76

    i genuinely believe shok makes the best, most in-depth guides for league beginners. cannot even begin to express how helpful your channel has been for me as somebody new to the game. this is literally the first time i’ve ever heard somebody take the time to explain in clear steps how to set up a freeze, not just a quick definition of what a freeze is. the extra time and effort put into these videos is very much appreciated

  • @asluckdespairs
    @asluckdespairs Рік тому +19

    I absolutely love that you make real educational videos.
    Most "guides" are just gameplay montages with no commentary.
    Or just basic twitch stream comments while playing.
    Real guides are rare and so appreciated by new players coming into to the game

  • @user-vc2ou7ff2n
    @user-vc2ou7ff2n Рік тому +10

    Honestly, I love these types of vids covering contents that usually develop over time. As a new player, I love seeing these and hope I can get more of these in the future. Thanks for the great content Shok!

  • @ryzeonline
    @ryzeonline Рік тому +16

    Your content puts so many others to shame, wow. Clear, concise, high-value, zero fluff, thank you.

  • @acrasis
    @acrasis Рік тому +8

    Shok, I am a jungler learning wave states so I can improve my jungling over all and eventually climb to diamond. Your guides have given great insight and an amazing starting point for that. Your advice and invaluable information is helping more than just laners, and I can’t thank you enough for that bro.

  • @pizza7368
    @pizza7368 Рік тому +4

    thank you very much! I really hope your content gets more credit, you really deserve it

  • @oui2826
    @oui2826 Рік тому +3

    I just subbed. You're extremely underrated. Hope you get the recognition you deserve

  • @dragoblade2124
    @dragoblade2124 Рік тому +3

    Thanks Shok for this guide, I’m quite new to league and this is going to really help me with my laning.

  • @faloughasch9239
    @faloughasch9239 Рік тому +4

    Just found this because I was depressed that my performance on talon (My one trick who I LOVE playing) was absolutely abysmal recently and was recommended wave management tips from a plat/diamond friend. I saw your playlist talking about mid fundamentals, and after watching this specific video I think I know what I'll be doing for the next 6 or 7 hours

  • @tavla123
    @tavla123 9 місяців тому

    I love this channel, definitely the most useful and understandable videos out of all the league guide channels

  • @kesselexpress
    @kesselexpress Рік тому +8

    when you caught sylas trying to cheese you at 22:14 he has the best emote in response

  • @SkarM_x
    @SkarM_x Рік тому +1

    Happy you're back! Love your content.

  • @jimrueger2998
    @jimrueger2998 Рік тому +4

    This channel deserves more attention.

  • @gimlythegod1843
    @gimlythegod1843 Рік тому +3

    Amazing video! Keep up the top tier content:D

  • @tiagohass875
    @tiagohass875 Рік тому +2

    Your thumbnails are mad good, they def stand out, feels almost official

  • @playerjohn0
    @playerjohn0 Рік тому +7

    this is honestly the best league video of all. wave control is by far the most important concept in the game and the way you teach it is clear and precise.

  • @wildhunter27
    @wildhunter27 6 місяців тому +1

    I´ve found some very good playstyles that I would have never thougt about before. Your a real help. Thank You!!!

  • @Jompa10
    @Jompa10 Рік тому +2

    I absolutely love your videos! This are the most useful LOL videos!

  • @tiyanamae6255
    @tiyanamae6255 Рік тому +1

    Amazing guide as always

  • @wanderingphy313
    @wanderingphy313 Рік тому +2

    Wow that was probably one of the best guide about wave control I’ve ever watched. I’m relatively high elo master 400LP so I know about most of these strats but sometimes just not sure how to execute them properly and when to execute them. Awesome guide!

  • @KiraLOLGaming
    @KiraLOLGaming Рік тому +1

    the best coach on UA-cam is back !! nice !

  • @SeloTSM
    @SeloTSM Рік тому +2

    22:19 Sylas emote only confirms Shok's commentary at this point :D

  • @KevinGenus
    @KevinGenus Рік тому +2

    Dude... thank you. THANK YOU.

  • @christoffer3719
    @christoffer3719 Рік тому +1

    Love the guides bro

  • @aemi_sa
    @aemi_sa Рік тому +2

    so many comments already! love your indepth guides thanks papo shok

  • @dipbar1824
    @dipbar1824 Рік тому

    Great stuff dude!

  • @FallenAngful
    @FallenAngful Рік тому +1

    i really appreciate your effort, ty

  • @MrPainwind
    @MrPainwind 7 місяців тому +1

    I've finally understood something about the whole Minion waves control management.
    This may explain why I tend to lose when I play MID...
    Anyway, thanks for the clear explanation

  • @trueagentt
    @trueagentt 7 місяців тому +1

    Great Guide.

  • @FrodosBeutel
    @FrodosBeutel Рік тому +6

    As Mordekaiser Main i start freezing since min 1 and never stop, even against equal opponents. The outcome of the 1v1 doesn't depend that much on who has a minion advantage, it's more if i hit my q+e. If an equally strong opponent engages and i miss my Q+E, even a big minion advantage won't help. Under tower i can just try to hit my E over and over again till i find a good engage and also poke safely under tower with my Q. So against stronger opponents i need to freeze anyway to no get run down, against equal opponents i freeze and against weaker i will freeze too. Against ranged i freeze anyway to run them down.

  • @OrlandoDelgadilloLuna
    @OrlandoDelgadilloLuna Рік тому +1

    I think the best skill is to know when to do each of this wave control techniques. But that is something you learn by playing and OBSERVING the effects of what you decided to do.

  • @Sway22
    @Sway22 6 місяців тому +2

    I was hardstuck silver for years now but this season finally got out of it and even reached plat. I never understood wave control and now finally decided to learn it :D And this is a great guide!

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  6 місяців тому

      Cheers homie and congrats on plat!

  • @PTMTTR
    @PTMTTR Рік тому +2

    great video!

  • @eternalblue4660
    @eternalblue4660 Рік тому +1

    Someone else comment/reply if I am wrong or would like to add anything I am missing but I am new to LoL and mid in general and have had success with this method (mainly early game):
    Slow push and look for short trades to gain HP advantage
    Once you have established a creep and HP advantage the lane is yours
    Crash on 3rd wave (cannon) but don't base right away
    Poke enemy under turret as much as possible for another couple seconds
    Now they hopefully have lower HP than before and you base
    They have to either stay in lane with lower HP and crash the waves to your turret which is unlikely because it was cannon wave and its early game so they are relatively weak at clearing and you pressured them a lot under their own turret, so you should be able to come back to the lane in time before they even crash if they do decide this and just bully them off the wave/lane now and establish a freeze or a neutral wave state since you came back to lane with full HP and better tempo.
    If they match your base timing they lose a lot of minions because now your minions are dying near their side of the lane and the wave will slow push out to you anyway because you crashed it earlier. So their next wave reinforcements meet closer to their side of the lane and because there are more of them, they kill your minions faster denying the enemy laner all that CS
    If they try to stay and crash you can freeze and that is good and so is the neutral wave state because you have slight item advantage AND you are making your opponent step up more into the lane to farm which leaves them susceptible to ganks as this video entailed. If they push out only one wave and are late to recall the wave should be in a neutral wave state then which is also favorable.
    This will of course not work for all champs, I have had huge success doing this though with Swain personally as he is the only mid laner I know right now and am playing, looking to try to learn Viktor and other champs so I have a pocket pick if needed. As I said feel free anyone to add to this, I am still a novice to the game and started earlier this year and have maybe 60 mid lane games total. Thanks for the video!

  • @laurentiuflorin6001
    @laurentiuflorin6001 Рік тому +1

    Ive started playing league 2-3 months ago and im searching for good videos about wave management.hope this one helps

  • @akazai6739
    @akazai6739 Рік тому +1

    Thank you ♥️

  • @torvusdog7647
    @torvusdog7647 Рік тому +2

    Just finished your vision video and started implementing it. It has helped me tremendously. And now you post this? It feels like I should be paying for these videos. Thanks Shok once again!

  • @nichtmenke9219
    @nichtmenke9219 Рік тому +1

    I needed way too long to find this channel

  • @huerohx
    @huerohx Рік тому +3

    great video as always Shok. Will you make a general items guide in the future?

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  Рік тому +1

      I think so, it might be something I do at the start of the next season though because most likely the items will all change again

  • @jacekstankiewicz1594
    @jacekstankiewicz1594 Рік тому +2

    Time to learn this 😎 got up to d2 as sona with 0 knowledge about wave management time to learn

  • @Darrentime
    @Darrentime Рік тому +1

    You are my fave leauge youtuber!

  • @archer5907
    @archer5907 Рік тому +2

    Wow, freezing into base surprised me i really didn't know that 🤯

  • @alexgag1117
    @alexgag1117 Рік тому +1

    Thanks!

  • @iliyx
    @iliyx 3 місяці тому +5

    my bronze head hurts

  • @poetry6744
    @poetry6744 Рік тому

    TY BROSKI

  • @diptube6563
    @diptube6563 Рік тому +4

    Honestly I think a connection should have been made between sustainability and freezing. Champions with inherent healing or life steal are significantly better at freezing, cuz the enemy will have difficulty poking you down

  • @Scott-is7sc
    @Scott-is7sc Рік тому +1

    Ayyy wave management I needed this haha,
    -Fizz Student

  • @thiamond3
    @thiamond3 7 місяців тому +1

    13:55 good summary

  • @mrgamingpanda16
    @mrgamingpanda16 Рік тому +1

    i actually got absolutely rolled by a smurf leblanc and zac while i was playing viktor. I had flashbacks when you did that.

  • @ryanthayer2965
    @ryanthayer2965 5 місяців тому +1

    So to summarize, sometimes its good to push the lane, sometimes its not. Unless you know the distance from the earths moon to any of saturn's moons, you will still be clueless. Thanks for trying!

  • @gauthierhuguelet7010
    @gauthierhuguelet7010 5 місяців тому +2

    nice guide btw i find it rly funny how you close your eyes every 2 secondes as you speak

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  4 місяці тому +1

      Too busy seeing the future

    • @gauthierhuguelet7010
      @gauthierhuguelet7010 4 місяці тому

      @@ShokLeague ooh that's what it is it makes sense now

  • @coldsoggynoodles9108
    @coldsoggynoodles9108 Рік тому +1

    helpful comment

  • @valentinodisiervi6054
    @valentinodisiervi6054 Рік тому +1

    My date says she is bored, but I learned so much. Thanks

  • @Atomcodes_16
    @Atomcodes_16 Рік тому +3

    Could you maybe make a Tutorial on what makes a good Team comp and how to play different strategies, because I don't know any good ones that work?

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  Рік тому +1

      I think it doesn't matter a huge amount, but I should make a video on it.

  • @Name-ox2mq
    @Name-ox2mq Рік тому +1

    This is quality

  • @andrewsih874
    @andrewsih874 Рік тому +1

    Great video! Are you going to stream again anytime soon?

  • @OkIPullUp.
    @OkIPullUp. Рік тому +3

    Great videos, too many videos are way to specific about the match up and few of them actually talk about the basic fundamentals that apply to all champions.

  • @tevinrauner4934
    @tevinrauner4934 Рік тому +1

    minion genie right here👌👌

  • @bugrahancakmak4390
    @bugrahancakmak4390 Рік тому +3

    When trying to freeze or slow push, do you try to kill cannon minion if it's available?

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  Рік тому +1

      Yes I normally do because the cannon pushes faster than you would like so it makes it both harder to freeze and harder to slowpush

  • @sneakyFN
    @sneakyFN Рік тому +2

    hey, really learnt something new from this video, but I have a question, how Corki could "counter" that "strat" ? 18:51

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  Рік тому +1

      He shouldn't hit the wave at all and just play to last hit, then I will draw creep aggro when I Q him and it will push to him so he can farm safely

    • @sneakyFN
      @sneakyFN Рік тому

      @@ShokLeague ty mate !

  • @koiiev9413
    @koiiev9413 11 місяців тому

    17:50 in this scenario, how is syndra supposed to stop yone from trimming the wave?

  • @jgmain4591
    @jgmain4591 Рік тому +1

    Hey shok what champions do u like to play the most, what do u play the most, what did u main, and do u have any tip for a mir laner

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  Рік тому

      Favorite champions are probably LB/Cassio, most played of all time I think is Cass > Syndra > Ori, I've mained most champs at some point though. Biggest tip for mid laners are to work on your laning phase and to have a good blind pick

  • @ldalexandrite
    @ldalexandrite 7 місяців тому +1

    Such a good guide thank you!! I have a question: I believe I totally understand why this lane state is beneficial for you here 21:10. But why is it awkward for Vex to base here 22:47 ? Is it because there are less minions and it’s technically not a freeze or is it because you have tp and you can easily come back and crash it? Or is it both?

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  7 місяців тому +1

      Basically the wave is too big for him to push and crash without me TPing back, but also too close to his tower to recall without having it crash under his tower. So TLDR he can't recall without losing something so he's gonna stay in lane, which means i can TP back and use my item advantage

    • @ldalexandrite
      @ldalexandrite 7 місяців тому

      @@ShokLeague oooh I see, a solid lose-lose situation for her, thanks to the tp advantage as the section indicates ofc. Idk why I thought she could somehow match your tp tempo to stop that wave crash 😅 I gotta start being more conscious on that. _Thank you for answering!_ And again, for such practical guide ❤️

  • @setoe1886
    @setoe1886 Рік тому +1

    I'm always scared to back with the tp+freeze combo if my jungler isnt dead lol

  • @gentlemattman
    @gentlemattman Рік тому +2

    Me: "Mom!!!!! Shok uploaded a new In-Depth guide!"
    Mom: *Hits the air siren button in our house* "Epic"
    Me: *Grabs the popcorn and a notepad* "Let's watch this masterpiece"

  • @vienguo
    @vienguo Рік тому +2

    when doing a 3 wave crash do we crash ASAP or do we aim for a 3:15 crash?

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  Рік тому

      Depends what you want, the longer you can drag it out the better for harassing your opponent, but it will take longer to ward or use the priority for something

  • @xawrkoa2141
    @xawrkoa2141 Рік тому +1

    Do you think ahri will be nerfed soon? I've felt like I havent wanted to practice her because i've been expecting nerfs for months, but they never seem to arrive.

  • @mrpinkmaster
    @mrpinkmaster 3 місяці тому +1

    I really like your voice 😅

  • @doomkingraye7692
    @doomkingraye7692 Рік тому +3

    It's 7 am almost (EU central)
    I should go to bed
    Shok uploads
    Guess I won't sleep today

    • @NGaming2017
      @NGaming2017 Рік тому +2

      Guess you gotta watch the video 300 times to absorb it all in too

  • @ryes5
    @ryes5 7 місяців тому +1

    Can someone explain what it means when you say a wave crash? I understand it kind of, but nobody really explains what a wave crash is. And when you say 3 or 4 wave crash, what does that mean?

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  7 місяців тому

      Just pushing a wave under tower (crashing) and then it'll bounce back to you. 3 or 4 wave crash means which wave you'll crash it on e.g. the first wave of the game is wave 1. So a 3 wave crash is to have the wave push under tower at wave number 3

    • @ryes5
      @ryes5 7 місяців тому

      Thank you for that explanation!@@ShokLeague

  • @francesco1320
    @francesco1320 Рік тому +1

    i'm sorry, a off topic question: is for you possible hit diamond/master from a bad pc with 60 fps and good ping? main mid

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  Рік тому +1

      I think so yes. Unless you lag so much that teamfights are unplayable, and even then it might still be possible if you split push instead.

    • @francesco1320
      @francesco1320 Рік тому +1

      @@ShokLeague thanks man, for the answer and for your videos

  • @kubaslajchrt2174
    @kubaslajchrt2174 Рік тому +1

    How big should be the minnion advantage in freezing at mid

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  Рік тому

      3 more creeps than yours is normally fine, it can be less or more depending on how strong you are and if you can hold the wave or not

    • @kubaslajchrt2174
      @kubaslajchrt2174 Рік тому

      Thx

  • @chickenoodle3397
    @chickenoodle3397 Рік тому +2

    Any ex-autoshovers???

  • @denistennisdenis7646
    @denistennisdenis7646 Рік тому +1

    1:07 why does the opponent try to stop you crashing the wave?

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  Рік тому +1

      If you crash 3 waves you can roam, base, get deep wards etc. If they stop me from crashing the wave it will be frozen outside their tower, I will be very gankable and unable to trade or base.

  • @wondr0us929
    @wondr0us929 Рік тому +2

    open stream sometimes man

  • @thesilverfootball
    @thesilverfootball Рік тому +1

    Could you go more in depth about how to improve outside of playing? I’ve heard you talk about trying to avoid mindlessly spamming games but I also know I need to get a ton of games in if I ever want to hit diamond. How do I get that balance between learning and practicing

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  Рік тому +2

      Yeah really good question, imo it's not so much about setting an exact amount of say e.g. for every 3 games played watch 1 vod. It's more about making sure you're actually taking away things from the games. If you aren't learning from your games maybe you need to review your own games or watch someone else to get an idea of what they do that you don't.
      Basically, if you feel like you're just queueing up, autopiloting and playing somewhat mindlessly then you should probably watch some vods (either your own or others) and identify some things you can focus on when you play your next games.

    • @thesilverfootball
      @thesilverfootball Рік тому +1

      @@ShokLeague thanks for responding this helps a lot and I will be reviewing lots today hopefully improving lots too

  • @TBgraculus
    @TBgraculus Рік тому +2

    hey shok, how do you cheater without losing 3+ minions?

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  Рік тому +1

      Just have to be able to clear the wave faster so that you can base quicker. Either build up more minions, use more mana on the wave or play a champ with more waveclear.

  • @elbendero6369
    @elbendero6369 7 місяців тому +2

    Kindred adc with riven supp? 21:17

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  7 місяців тому

      lmao I don't remember this game I wonder who won

  • @ioanborbely2839
    @ioanborbely2839 11 місяців тому +1

    i play himerdingher ,how to slow push?:

    • @OmniRich
      @OmniRich 2 місяці тому

      😂😂😂

  • @novullera7179
    @novullera7179 Рік тому +3

  • @Its_mr_chickens
    @Its_mr_chickens 18 днів тому +1

    why do u call them creeps?

    • @ShokLeague
      @ShokLeague  18 днів тому

      Just another word for them

  • @chasehall7223
    @chasehall7223 10 місяців тому +1

    Bro blinks at 0.5 speed 😕

  • @5t.8bby26
    @5t.8bby26 Рік тому +1

    Kuality kontent

  • @kristianhalbavy5254
    @kristianhalbavy5254 Рік тому

    Great guide but in my pisslow elo these monkeys dont even know that freezing exists so i cant predict what theyll do😂

  • @chrisf1922
    @chrisf1922 Рік тому +2

    shok mate u should start an onlyfans

  • @soulshock210
    @soulshock210 Рік тому

    Being a dota player these are basic tips n techniques