Probably the best review I've seen of this car. Love your demeanor, not basically yelling everything like some others, lol. And your knowledge of the vehicle is great. Sub'd. I have no idea how anyone in the world could find the looks of this car conroversial. It looks a million times better than the previous gen.
I'm looking to buy 1 within the next few weeks, just 1 Honda dealer here in Jamaica 🇯🇲. Estimated price = >$70k. I knw its ridiculous but fell madly in love with the FL5 the 1st time I saw it ❤
I have had my FL5 for 3 months now and I love it. I do not daily drive it, but if I go more than a few days I will start to miss it. Honda really hit a home run with this car. I originally bought it to flip(due to the price I bought it for), but I have convinced myself to keep it now.
The FL5 is a return to form. The FK8 was more of an evolution of the FN2 and FK2. I also have an FL5, I think they took inspiration from the EK9, FD2, and Accord Type R (Euro R).
I have a ‘22 SI and the backseat unlock thing ur talking about is a setting you can change. You can also set the car to auto lock when you walk away from it, or not allow locking at all when you’ve stepped out of the car but the key is still inside (so you can’t lock your keys inside on accident!)
Thanks! I finally figured out how to configure the rear door locks through the keyless access settings. All 4 doors now unlock when I unlock the driver's door.
u could customize how the doors get opened and locked in the infotainment system under "vehicle settings". there is the walk-away auto lock which i think is very nice, auto door lock when the car goes exceed 10mph, and definitely opens the other 3 doors when the driver's door is unlocked, etc. just play with the infotainment system a bit then u will figure it out!
Thank you! Prior to the video, I looked at the door locks and windows settings but didn't find a setting there for unlocking the rear doors. I later went to the keyless entry settings and found the setting for unlocking all doors from the driver's door.
The new civic type R is definitely one of the better “new” cars in this price range today in my opinion. But I would have definitely kept that S2000 CR. That one will likely go higher in value and there’s literally no car like it.
I think you can program the rear doors to open when touching the fronts after doing a certain combination on the key. If I had to do that to my Lexus, I'm pretty sure it'll work the same way with any brand.
Thanks for the comment! Prior to the video I had only looked at the windows and lock setting. However, I've since looked at the keyless access setting and found the option to unlock all doors using keyless access on the driver's door.
Love the new type r the way it comes from factory. I wouldn't change a thing. I purchased a 22 wrx about a year ago and love it. As soon as it's paid off. Type R is next in the fleet.
I agree! The FL5 is great from the factory. I parked next to 2 modded FL5s this weekend and was still happy with my car in stock form. I love that Honda put 265 wide tires on a 9.5" wide wheel.
If I were Honda, I’d make the center screen wayy smaller-a basic strip, Kinda like in the Ferrari passenger side display. No unnecessary graphics. And add a hybrid R setting. With suspension in comfort and everything else in R.
@@genetung8590 there is an individual setting that allows configuring of suspension, engine, engine sound, steering, rev match, etc., independently. It is great - I have mine set as you describe: +R for everything except suspension.
Awesome video good sir! I traded my Sonic Gray Pearl 2019 fk8 4 months ago and bought a black FL5! I was fortunate to get my FL5 at msrp! I like my FL5 quite a bit more! I bought my fk8 new 2019! I had a lot of time to drive it and from personal experience I loved the fk8 but would never go back! Both great cars but the FL5 is so much more refined and over all quality is a good bit better!! Keep up the amazing content and congratulations on the FL5! Have a great weekend!🚙👍🏼😀
Really great video! Currently waiting for mine up here in Canada - and it’ll actually be both my first manual transmission and enthusiast car. Always enjoy these kinds of ownership videos; would love to hear more thoughts on it from you once more time has passed.
Thanks for the feedback! It's great to hear that you have a Type R coming! The manual transmission in the Type R is really easy to use - I think you'll really enjoy it.
"Hot Import Nights", good times man, good times. I too had an S2000 (02), I believe it was the best car I ever had. Regrets till this day that I got rid of it. If I had the extra disposable income, I would of gotten a Type-R too. I have a 2020 STI and gonna keep it since there is no more STI's. Good luck with the R, and don't sell it, it might be one of the last years.
The AP1 S2k is a gem! My old 2004 STI was one of my favorite cars - it was fast and very mechanical. I still keep an eye out for STI hatches. Great to hear about your 2020 STI - indeed, that should be a keeper!
You truly have a dream collection right now, I'm happy that you finally got yourself a Type R. I'm on the fence about changing my order to a manual M2 rather than an auto. What are your thoughts on how the transmission feels compared to the Type R
Thanks, Ethan! The manual transmission in the Type R is smoother and easier to drive than the manual transmission in the M2. I still can't get a smooth 1-2 shift in the M2, lol. Also, the shifter engagement in the M2 is not as positive - it doesn't go into gear as easily. I still like the manual in the M2, but I prefer the manual in the Type R.
Nice on having both. I have a 911.2 c4s for the weekends and am considering the type r as my daily. Great review. As someone from NJ I know exactly where these roads are lol.
Thanks! I think the Type R would compliment your 991.2 c4s nicely! I have a 997.2 c4s and am finding the Type R to be a lot of fun (in addition to being practical).
@@haochen5973 I've never driven a 718 Spyder but I have driven a 981 Cayman GT4 - the shifter in the Type R is lighter but I think it is just as satisfying.
I like cars in all price ranges. When I put a deposit on this car, I was thinking it would be my new daily driver. However, the plaid has been so good as a daily that I don't think this will replace it for that purpose. Yes, for now this will be another weekend toy.
Nice video. As for the front door being the only one to open with the keyless entry, you should definitely be able to change that in setttings as I did with my 2018 accord. Unless they took out that option from the settings, go and check in the vehicle settings 🙂
Thanks! I finally figured out how to set up the keyless entry so that all doors unlock when unlocking the drivers door. In my haste, I had only checked the locks and windows setting. I found the keyless access setup setting today and was able to adjust it from there.
Nice review! I saw that you drove past my office right in the beginning on Marlton Pike East. Awesome to watch a local reviewer, maybe we can meet up someday as I am thinking of getting a CTR down the road!
Thanks! I plan to bring the Type R to the cars and coffee at Miller's Ale House in Mount Laurel next Saturday, May 27th, as long as it is not raining. If you are available, let's meet there.
@TingTingMelody Here is a link to the High Octane South Jersey Facebook page: facebook.com/HighOctaneSouthJersey?mibextid=ZbWKwL Note: they no longer post the location...folks meet at the parking lot outside of Miller's Ale House in Mount Laurel between 8:30 AM and 10 AM.
I would honestly buy one if they were sold at or slightly under msrp like cars used to be sold at before. I won't pay a penny less over msrp though. I guess ill never own one then..
I look forward to when the car market in general goes back to the way it used to be. If it does, these should be available for MSRP after a year or two.
@Chris Simmons it's going to feel like a long weekend...jk. I'm not sure if I'll track this car as I'm currently looking at something more track focused. However, I think the Type R would be a lot of fun on the track - it is a point and shoot type of car and feels quick. Do you plan to track yours?
Thank you! I've since figured out how to get the rear door to unlock along with the driver's door. It was under the keyless entry setting. Prior to making the video, I had only looked under the doors and locks setting.
I had one on order, but i cancelled it because i thought it was overpriced at $72600 when i only paid 56k for my gr yaris rallye/circuit. Those are Australian prices.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee It's very good on a mountain road. It's a lot lighter than the corolla and in Australia our gr Yaris has a little more power and torque than other markets, with 200kw and 370nm. So the Yaris is a little quicker than the Corolla.
This was by far my favorite review of the FL5 Type R yet. I have a modified and tuned FK8 but if I could own both I would. I am adding the G87 M2 manual to the garage next year. Great video I really enjoyed it man. much love and Blessings #SkyLyfeProjects
Thank you for the feedback! Great to hear about your FK8 and your plan to get a G87 M2! The M2 and Type R are different animals - each great in their own way. I plan to post a comparison video of my FL5 and G87 next week.
The more i look at the new type r the more it resembles a accord the type s has more fk8 looks to it looks more racing than this fl5 it just doesn’t say anything to bland
I see your point. I think the 10th generation Civic's styling is more aggressive and bold in general. I personally prefer the styling of the 11th generation Civic, which is probably why I find the FL5 Type R styling so appealing, even if it is less aggressive and bold than the FK8.
I think the FK8 was great if you wanted the car to look like it had a body kit straight out of factory. The FL5 is definitely a return to form to how Type Rs used to be made.
Nice! What colors are you getting? I really like the GR86 - I was trying to get an anniversary edition without a markup, but that was a no go. I plan to pick up a GR86 at some point or get a manual transmission Supra.
I am open to white/black/blue for the type r. In the list at msrp dealer but that took a lot of work to find one and be on the list. Leading more towards the white or blue if my time comes. G87 was a lot easier to find one at msrp. You got the s58 from the m2 so gr86 would be a better fit I think but supra is such a good choice as well
I get paying the MSRP or a few grand over, but with the way the dealerships are marking these Honda's up I am passing hard on the 2023 Type-R at $10k or more. I have heard stories of folks getting them at $7k or more as a "Deal". There is no "Deal" when you pay anything over MSRP. I don't care how in demand they are, MSRP is there to protect you as the buyer from the dealerships charging whatever they want. So, for me, I prefer to wait till they have them sitting on the lot at MSRP, then I will buy one. It's a car for goodness sake, in a year or so they will be back down below MSRP new, and everyone that bought now will take a $20k loss on your purchase.
Lol no. You will never own one with this mindset. Used FK8s are going for MORE than their MSRP these days. So there goes your logic regarding buying a used one for less than sticker in a year or two. Better wake up quick and get used to the markup era.
@@GinNBoost The Honda dealer I went to in Michigan wanted a $15,000 markup, so I got in on the Type S presale. I’m only paying MSRP so a much nicer car with a better sound system, a better exhaust system, and a head-up display for less money. I believe the Type S goes on sale on June 19.
Hey Joe as a daily. Would you take your Model S Plaid or the type r?I’ve been thinking about selling my FL5 and getting a Plaid. I’d like to hear your opinion. Loving the videos. Keep them coming. Thanks
Thanks! I drive a lot: 300 - 500 miles a week and also do short trips (less than 2 miles) to drop off an pick up my kids from school. For what I do and because I have the option to charge at home, I prefer the Plaid as my daily (more comfortable, faster off the line, no need to warm up, ability to heat up the car and cool it down remotely, FSD, great audio system, ventilated seats, etc.). When I bought the Type R, I had intended for it to eventually replace the Plaid as I typically don't hold onto cars for more than 2 years and figured it would be a good, special feeling daily that wouldn't depreciate much. The Type R wins in 3 categories: fun factor, lower depreciation, and the cool factor. If I didn't have the Plaid, I think I'd be happy with the Type R. However, at this point, I would not replace the Plaid with a Type R or Integra Type S.
@@TheLifeofJoeLeeThank you for the reply. I also have a long commute. About 120miles daily. I have solar panels and just had an EV charging station installed just in case. So charging should be fairly cheap. I like the idea of no oil changes since I’m currently having to do one every couple months. You just convinced me to go Plaid. Thank you brother!
How does this compare to the new integra. The integra felt like i wasnt even shifting it was almost to smooth. I prefer the bite of the clutch when your going from 2-3 but it was kind of under powered but im use to v-8s. Fun car regardless but it’s definitely more luxury orientated.
@@danny30canes Thanks! I don't know how I missed that setting initially, LOL. I had only checked the locks and windows setting. All doors now unlock when unlocking the driver's door.
Congratulations on your amazing car. Top Gear car of the year, hot hatch of the year and Mr Chris Harris favourite of the year and do drifting with it like with new NSX he also loved too as a Porsche owner and driver of cars dumb reviewers dream of.
When you compare everything (performance, driving, price, etc) which one do you choose? Bmw m2 or civic type r? I'm also considering these two. Nice video and thank you.
Have you tried double tap (around 5 seconds from the first tap) on the keyless entry of the car to unlock all the doors? I noticed quite few new cars have that feature. I believe the feature is also available in regular civics.
Thanks for the comment! I finally figured out how to set up the keyless entry so that all doors unlock when unlocking the drivers door. In my haste, I had only checked the locks and windows setting. I found the keyless access setup setting today and was able to adjust it from there.
Thanks! Yes, I still have the plaid and the 911. The plaid is usually in the garage. I'll be posting an update on the plaid in a few weeks and video on the 911 after that.
@@woochoi2639 Yes, the depreciation on the plaid is terrible - I didn't anticipate the price cuts from Tesla, lol. I have close to 30k miles on mine. I thought about selling mine before the value tanks more but it has been such a good daily driver for me. What car did you trade your plaid for?
Yes, there was a recall for that. Only a subset of VINs were affected. My car was not within the VIN range. Fortunately, I haven't noticed any noise from the seat.
Great video! if you were to compare your 2023 M2 to your CTR, how would you rate the road noise problem for both? I currently drive 330 Msport but looking to buy either M2 or CTR. I used to own a Civic Si but that thing was loud on highway! I love how quiet my 330 is so I would want something at that level with manual transmission
Thanks! I'm in the process of making a comparison video of the M2 and Type R. I'll add this to the list of things to cover. Note: I don't think the road noise in either car is bad, but I'll measure the noise level of each on the highway with them in the most comfortable settings.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Very curious to see this comparison. I have a F87 OG M2 and contemplating going with the Acura Type S as I want to get back in a 4-door as I have 2 kids. I don't love the look of the new M2 but it definitely seems way more capable than my F87. Specced the way I would want it puts the G87 a little out of my price range. I really want a G80 but that isn't in the cards for the same reason. The FL5 or Integra Type S look like they would be a good fit but I am leaning to the Acura for a few reasons.
@Bazgab I finished filming the FL5 - G87 comparison video yesterday and hope to release it before the weekend. If you can get an Integra Type S at MSRP or close to MSRP, I think you'll be happy with it considering the cost savings relative to the G87. The FL5 has a fun factor and special quality to it that doesn't show in the data.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee looking forward to watching your new video! I put down a deposit to get in line for M2 allocation but it’s refundable. As far as I am concerned it will be very hard to get Type S at msrp given it’s impossible to get Type R at TypeS msrp lol
There is a module behind the glovebox that can be disconnected to disable the Active Sound Control. Personally, I think it sounds good and would only disable it if I got an aftermarket exhaust as the car is too quiet for me in comfort and sport mode.
That is similar to what my local dealer has been asking for their FL5 Type Rs ($63k USD) - way too much. I was fortunate to find a nearby dealer that doesn't charge ADMs.
Thanks! I prefer the looks of the FL5, but I've gotten quite a bit of feedback from folks who prefer the looks of the FK8. The FK8 styling is certainly distinctive.
If I could do my car purchases over again, I would have kept my 2004 WRX STI. That was a special car to me at that time in my life (25 years old) - it was the first car that I took to the track, it was a lot of fun, I think they still look good, and it could have supported me into my current life stage. I'd have so much more money now if I held off on the 20+ car purchases that I've made since selling it for a B6 Audi S4, lol. If I had to choose from the cars that I currently own, I'd choose the Model S Plaid. It does the daily duty better than any car that I've owned and has essentially broken my need for speed. If you had to pick one car to own, what would it be?
Do you wish you spent half the amount on the Subaru RS and got AWD? at 74 inches wide, these cars are bigger than I like. I prefer my Volvo V50 which is fast enough for me to have fun for under $2000.
I wasn't in the market for an AWD car (I have a few AWD cars as well) but I agree that you can have a similar fun factor for less money, especially if buying used. I really wanted to experience a Civic Type R and really like the FL5 body style.
I owned a 2004 STI - that was one of my favorite cars. It was the first car that I took to the track. The last STI that I drove was a 2011 as I was in the market for a hatch several years ago. I don't have experience with the newer STIs, however, they use the same EJ25 engine so I suppose the power would feel the same. From what I remember of it, I think the 2004 STI felt more raw - that car had fairly solid bushings. The 2011 was a bit softer and I'd say the Type R is comparable. The STI shifter is very mechanical and bit notchier than the Type R's shifter. Despite one being AWD and the other FWD, I think the fun factor of both cars is similar.
I think it's the wide angle of the camera that is causing that. If you see in person, it looks like a Civic Sport Touring with a spoiler. Pretty boring looking for most people, I think it looks really nice compared to the last generation. More Suttle and fitting of its performance.
front looks like an accord, back lights looks ugly.... honda shouldn't extend the line that connects the two back lights... they should've keep them separate, looks more clean that way
I did not pay a markup but had to purchase ~$3500 in accessories which included the all weather trunk mat, wheel locks, exterior and interior protection package, etc.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee that’s a fantastic deal. Mind telling me which dealer and if there’s a long waiting list? Also, curious to hear your thoughts on this vs the M2 as I’m cross shopping the two.
I had to purchase around $3k in accessories and protection packages, which I still consider to be a good deal compared to the market adjustments that I see on Facebook and forums.
@@Alex_Fung It is pricey but I consider that to be within the price range for an OEM quality carbon fiber spoiler. A carbon fiber spoiler can be had for much cheaper but I've seen a lot of variation in quality (fit an finish) that is representative of the market price.
The M4 Competition X drive is a nice car. Having had the M2 for 2 months now - I'm finding that it isn't missing any features that my old F80 M3 had (the G87 M2 has Heads Up Display). I'd have a hard time justifying the $18k difference in MSRPs. However, I understand if folks are looking for X-drive, the M2 wouldn't even be in consideration. Also, the styling is a bit polarizing. I have 2 AWD cars so I was specifically looking for a RWD car when I purchased the M2.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee I had the M3 comp x drive, and it's a ballistic missile with incredible traction. But not agile and fun like the M2 must be. If you do a manual M4 (rwd), it's still about $18k more than an M2 with some options. I do like the full merino leather as opposed to the vernasca, but the longer wheelbase means it's less agile.
I have driven Accords for over 20 year's, and I really like the Type-R. Won't pay the $20k over MSRP BS. I plan to pick one of these up in a few years. Once the "New" wears off of them and the prices take a nosedive. We are a year out from a much more normal car market, and these cars will be two or three deep at the dealerships for MSRP. That's when I will go get one, for a real deal.
theres more to it than just speed. While honda isnt know for their speed or AWD, it makes up for in handling which can be fun in its own for track use. its not a drag race car by any means.
There are good options in this price category. A V8 will sound better and have more HP, but it will weigh more. The Type R feels light to me, which is one factor that makes it fun. A 2023 Mustang GT weighs 540 lbs more than the Type R. With that said, I'm eyeing the Lexus LC 500, which has a V8 - however, it is a heavy car. I don't think it will have the fun factor of the Type R, but it has other qualities.
Regardless of whether you like the FL5, I think it is wise to keep your S2000 - I regret selling mine back in the day. They are different animals. The FL5 can do daily driver duty well, is easier to drive, and can serve as someone's only car. Despite putting down over 320 whp and 330 wtq, it seems to manage the power well.
What MY2023 car would you choose? In the US market, I think the $44.5k USD MSRP is appropriate given the competition amongst new cars. I wouldn't pay a dealer market adjustment. We don't have the GR Yaris here and the GR Corollas are selling in the same price range.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee I'd take the i30n sedan (Elantra n) and put the money into good use. Performance is basically the same. I30n sedan is 56k AuD , huge savings and the gap between them both isn't anywhere near the cost difference
@@mharro88 That is a compelling option. The MSRP for the Elantra N in the US is about $9k less than the Civic Type R's MSRP. I couldn't get behind the styling (subjective), but I agree that it is a much better value.
It’s expensive but definitely not overrated. I got mine last weekend and I love it. I like the i30n (hatch) and agree performance wise the Hyundai is better value. However good thing doesn’t always have a good value and in fact most Honda classic cars are well above their class average price when released and they still hold their value well in the last few decades. Whether your like or can afford is personal choice but it is not overrated and plenty people are on the waiting list to get one.
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It’s actually refreshing to see someone review and drive this type of car like a normal person would in a day to day setting.
I like that you’re not aggressively “slamming into gears” like other youtubers do. You let the gearbox take its time when shifting
Powershifting should be done when you wanna race but I agree 😂
Probably the best review I've seen of this car. Love your demeanor, not basically yelling everything like some others, lol. And your knowledge of the vehicle is great. Sub'd.
I have no idea how anyone in the world could find the looks of this car conroversial. It looks a million times better than the previous gen.
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You can also press the unlock button on key fob twice.
I know nothing about cars but love watching the videos!
Thanks, Chris!
I'm looking to buy 1 within the next few weeks, just 1 Honda dealer here in Jamaica 🇯🇲. Estimated price = >$70k. I knw its ridiculous but fell madly in love with the FL5 the 1st time I saw it ❤
I have had my FL5 for 3 months now and I love it. I do not daily drive it, but if I go more than a few days I will start to miss it. Honda really hit a home run with this car. I originally bought it to flip(due to the price I bought it for), but I have convinced myself to keep it now.
Great to hear about your FL5!
The FL5 is a return to form. The FK8 was more of an evolution of the FN2 and FK2. I also have an FL5, I think they took inspiration from the EK9, FD2, and Accord Type R (Euro R).
Congrats i got a 17 fk8 sence new 6 years and still loving it 👍
Super nice review! As a teenager I can't afford one of these but I love watching videos about em.
Thanks for the comment! Stay tuned for more videos.
I have a ‘22 SI and the backseat unlock thing ur talking about is a setting you can change. You can also set the car to auto lock when you walk away from it, or not allow locking at all when you’ve stepped out of the car but the key is still inside (so you can’t lock your keys inside on accident!)
Thanks! I finally figured out how to configure the rear door locks through the keyless access settings. All 4 doors now unlock when I unlock the driver's door.
u could customize how the doors get opened and locked in the infotainment system under "vehicle settings". there is the walk-away auto lock which i think is very nice, auto door lock when the car goes exceed 10mph, and definitely opens the other 3 doors when the driver's door is unlocked, etc. just play with the infotainment system a bit then u will figure it out!
Thank you! Prior to the video, I looked at the door locks and windows settings but didn't find a setting there for unlocking the rear doors. I later went to the keyless entry settings and found the setting for unlocking all doors from the driver's door.
The new civic type R is definitely one of the better “new” cars in this price range today in my opinion. But I would have definitely kept that S2000 CR. That one will likely go higher in value and there’s literally no car like it.
In hindsight I wish I had kept the S2000 CR. I sold it back in 2014.
I think you can program the rear doors to open when touching the fronts after doing a certain combination on the key. If I had to do that to my Lexus, I'm pretty sure it'll work the same way with any brand.
Thanks for the comment! Prior to the video I had only looked at the windows and lock setting. However, I've since looked at the keyless access setting and found the option to unlock all doors using keyless access on the driver's door.
Great review Joe. The mode comparison was helpful. Glad you are liking the CTR!
Thank you!
Love the new type r the way it comes from factory. I wouldn't change a thing. I purchased a 22 wrx about a year ago and love it. As soon as it's paid off. Type R is next in the fleet.
I agree! The FL5 is great from the factory. I parked next to 2 modded FL5s this weekend and was still happy with my car in stock form. I love that Honda put 265 wide tires on a 9.5" wide wheel.
If I were Honda, I’d make the center screen wayy smaller-a basic strip, Kinda like in the Ferrari passenger side display. No unnecessary graphics. And add a hybrid R setting. With suspension in comfort and everything else in R.
@@genetung8590 there is an individual setting that allows configuring of suspension, engine, engine sound, steering, rev match, etc., independently. It is great - I have mine set as you describe: +R for everything except suspension.
Can't wait for your review and comparison with the ITS!
Awesome video good sir! I traded my Sonic Gray Pearl 2019 fk8 4 months ago and bought a black FL5! I was fortunate to get my FL5 at msrp! I like my FL5 quite a bit more! I bought my fk8 new 2019! I had a lot of time to drive it and from personal experience I loved the fk8 but would never go back! Both great cars but the FL5 is so much more refined and over all quality is a good bit better!! Keep up the amazing content and congratulations on the FL5! Have a great weekend!🚙👍🏼😀
Shaun, would you mind to share which state and where to get FL5 at msrp? markup in socal is crazy!
Thank you! Great to hear your perspective as an FK8 owner that switched to the FL5! I hope you have a great weekend too!
Really great video! Currently waiting for mine up here in Canada - and it’ll actually be both my first manual transmission and enthusiast car. Always enjoy these kinds of ownership videos; would love to hear more thoughts on it from you once more time has passed.
Thanks for the feedback! It's great to hear that you have a Type R coming! The manual transmission in the Type R is really easy to use - I think you'll really enjoy it.
Styling wise this FL5 Civic Type-R reminds me of the original DC2 Integra Type-R (Japanese spec)
what do i gotta do to be able to afford a type R and a M2 at the same time
Nice channel and two awesome hard to get cars. How lucky are you!
Thank you! I didn't anticipate having the opportunity to take delivery of these cars only 2 weeks apart - it worked out well.
"Hot Import Nights", good times man, good times. I too had an S2000 (02), I believe it was the best car I ever had. Regrets till this day that I got rid of it. If I had the extra disposable income, I would of gotten a Type-R too. I have a 2020 STI and gonna keep it since there is no more STI's. Good luck with the R, and don't sell it, it might be one of the last years.
The AP1 S2k is a gem! My old 2004 STI was one of my favorite cars - it was fast and very mechanical. I still keep an eye out for STI hatches. Great to hear about your 2020 STI - indeed, that should be a keeper!
You truly have a dream collection right now, I'm happy that you finally got yourself a Type R. I'm on the fence about changing my order to a manual M2 rather than an auto. What are your thoughts on how the transmission feels compared to the Type R
Thanks, Ethan! The manual transmission in the Type R is smoother and easier to drive than the manual transmission in the M2. I still can't get a smooth 1-2 shift in the M2, lol. Also, the shifter engagement in the M2 is not as positive - it doesn't go into gear as easily. I still like the manual in the M2, but I prefer the manual in the Type R.
You can change the settings to the car where all doors unlock and not just the drivers door
Thank you - I'll take a closer look at the settings.
Sweet ride! Nice review, I’d definitely love to have one in the garage 🏎️🏎️🏎️
Nice on having both. I have a 911.2 c4s for the weekends and am considering the type r as my daily. Great review. As someone from NJ I know exactly where these roads are lol.
Thanks! I think the Type R would compliment your 991.2 c4s nicely! I have a 997.2 c4s and am finding the Type R to be a lot of fun (in addition to being practical).
I’ll be interested to drive one to see how it compares to the manual on my previous 718 Spyder.
@@haochen5973 I've never driven a 718 Spyder but I have driven a 981 Cayman GT4 - the shifter in the Type R is lighter but I think it is just as satisfying.
I’ve got the same car arriving in 2 weeks. Can’t wait
Nice! I'm happy for you - congrats!
Wow, I wouldn’t have guessed you to buy this after having owned so many exotic and fun cars. Pretty cool, I guess this will be another weekend toy
I like cars in all price ranges. When I put a deposit on this car, I was thinking it would be my new daily driver. However, the plaid has been so good as a daily that I don't think this will replace it for that purpose. Yes, for now this will be another weekend toy.
Nice video. As for the front door being the only one to open with the keyless entry, you should definitely be able to change that in setttings as I did with my 2018 accord. Unless they took out that option from the settings, go and check in the vehicle settings 🙂
Thanks! I finally figured out how to set up the keyless entry so that all doors unlock when unlocking the drivers door. In my haste, I had only checked the locks and windows setting. I found the keyless access setup setting today and was able to adjust it from there.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Awesome!! Yea that used to annoy me also lol.
Nice review! I saw that you drove past my office right in the beginning on Marlton Pike East. Awesome to watch a local reviewer, maybe we can meet up someday as I am thinking of getting a CTR down the road!
Thanks! I plan to bring the Type R to the cars and coffee at Miller's Ale House in Mount Laurel next Saturday, May 27th, as long as it is not raining. If you are available, let's meet there.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Is there a FB page to follow? I will def try to make it!
@TingTingMelody Here is a link to the High Octane South Jersey Facebook page: facebook.com/HighOctaneSouthJersey?mibextid=ZbWKwL
Note: they no longer post the location...folks meet at the parking lot outside of Miller's Ale House in Mount Laurel between 8:30 AM and 10 AM.
Very nice! Great line up!
Thanks!
I would honestly buy one if they were sold at or slightly under msrp like cars used to be sold at before. I won't pay a penny less over msrp though. I guess ill never own one then..
I look forward to when the car market in general goes back to the way it used to be. If it does, these should be available for MSRP after a year or two.
The rear driver side door unlock should be in the settings. I have an FL5 and don’t have that issue.
Thanks to the help of folks in the comments section, I figured it out - the setting was under the keyless entry, not locks and windows.
Congrats…I just scored my CW Type R Saturday. It’s killing me that I can’t drive it as I am having PPF & ceramic coating installed.
Congrats! It's great to hear that you got a Type R! When will you get the car back?
@@TheLifeofJoeLee I should have it back Monday. Do you intend to track your CTR?
@Chris Simmons it's going to feel like a long weekend...jk. I'm not sure if I'll track this car as I'm currently looking at something more track focused. However, I think the Type R would be a lot of fun on the track - it is a point and shoot type of car and feels quick. Do you plan to track yours?
Love this car. Fk8 is way too overstyled for me. Cant take anyone who drives one serious. They look goofy as hell
I think the auto unlock rear doors is a setting
Thank you! I've since figured out how to get the rear door to unlock along with the driver's door. It was under the keyless entry setting. Prior to making the video, I had only looked under the doors and locks setting.
I had one on order, but i cancelled it because i thought it was overpriced at $72600 when i only paid 56k for my gr yaris rallye/circuit. Those are Australian prices.
How do you like the GR Yaris? We don't have that here in the US. We have the GR Corolla which is closer in price to the Civic Type R.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee It's very good on a mountain road. It's a lot lighter than the corolla and in Australia our gr Yaris has a little more power and torque than other markets, with 200kw and 370nm. So the Yaris is a little quicker than the Corolla.
56 for the most cheap ecobox toyota makes no way and 3 cilinders 😂
@@opadilla123 What are you talking about you troll?
Looks like your driver seat needs the recall fix for the weld issue, stay safe and great review!
Thanks! My car was produced after the ones that require the recall, so as far as I'm aware, my seat is ok as is.
@The Life of Joe That's great to hear, maybe it was my phone moving lol. Glad you're enjoying the car!
This was by far my favorite review of the FL5 Type R yet. I have a modified and tuned FK8 but if I could own both I would. I am adding the G87 M2 manual to the garage next year. Great video I really enjoyed it man. much love and Blessings #SkyLyfeProjects
Thank you for the feedback! Great to hear about your FK8 and your plan to get a G87 M2! The M2 and Type R are different animals - each great in their own way. I plan to post a comparison video of my FL5 and G87 next week.
The more i look at the new type r the more it resembles a accord the type s has more fk8 looks to it looks more racing than this fl5 it just doesn’t say anything to bland
I see your point. I think the 10th generation Civic's styling is more aggressive and bold in general. I personally prefer the styling of the 11th generation Civic, which is probably why I find the FL5 Type R styling so appealing, even if it is less aggressive and bold than the FK8.
I think the FK8 was great if you wanted the car to look like it had a body kit straight out of factory. The FL5 is definitely a return to form to how Type Rs used to be made.
i want type r over m2 all day and i think the fk8 type r lookled good also like u said blue and black r best colors tho
It's no S2000 - but it's still a great car for the platform.
Congrats again man. Can tell that transmission is a gem.
Thanks!
Man you got exactly what I ordered and waiting for, g87 and fl5. You just need gr86 to complete it
Nice! What colors are you getting? I really like the GR86 - I was trying to get an anniversary edition without a markup, but that was a no go. I plan to pick up a GR86 at some point or get a manual transmission Supra.
I am open to white/black/blue for the type r. In the list at msrp dealer but that took a lot of work to find one and be on the list. Leading more towards the white or blue if my time comes. G87 was a lot easier to find one at msrp. You got the s58 from the m2 so gr86 would be a better fit I think but supra is such a good choice as well
@@GSTRification I was on the fence between boost blue and championship white for the Type R. That's great that you are getting both cars at MSRP!
Yea not planning on paying over sticker for any car. Looking forward to your comparison videos
I get paying the MSRP or a few grand over, but with the way the dealerships are marking these Honda's up I am passing hard on the 2023 Type-R at $10k or more. I have heard stories of folks getting them at $7k or more as a "Deal". There is no "Deal" when you pay anything over MSRP. I don't care how in demand they are, MSRP is there to protect you as the buyer from the dealerships charging whatever they want. So, for me, I prefer to wait till they have them sitting on the lot at MSRP, then I will buy one. It's a car for goodness sake, in a year or so they will be back down below MSRP new, and everyone that bought now will take a $20k loss on your purchase.
Lol no. You will never own one with this mindset. Used FK8s are going for MORE than their MSRP these days. So there goes your logic regarding buying a used one for less than sticker in a year or two. Better wake up quick and get used to the markup era.
@@GinNBoost The Honda dealer I went to in Michigan wanted a $15,000 markup, so I got in on the Type S presale. I’m only paying MSRP so a much nicer car with a better sound system, a better exhaust system, and a head-up display for less money. I believe the Type S goes on sale on June 19.
Hey Joe as a daily. Would you take your Model S Plaid or the type r?I’ve been thinking about selling my FL5 and getting a Plaid. I’d like to hear your opinion. Loving the videos. Keep them coming. Thanks
Thanks! I drive a lot: 300 - 500 miles a week and also do short trips (less than 2 miles) to drop off an pick up my kids from school. For what I do and because I have the option to charge at home, I prefer the Plaid as my daily (more comfortable, faster off the line, no need to warm up, ability to heat up the car and cool it down remotely, FSD, great audio system, ventilated seats, etc.). When I bought the Type R, I had intended for it to eventually replace the Plaid as I typically don't hold onto cars for more than 2 years and figured it would be a good, special feeling daily that wouldn't depreciate much. The Type R wins in 3 categories: fun factor, lower depreciation, and the cool factor. If I didn't have the Plaid, I think I'd be happy with the Type R. However, at this point, I would not replace the Plaid with a Type R or Integra Type S.
@@TheLifeofJoeLeeThank you for the reply. I also have a long commute. About 120miles daily. I have solar panels and just had an EV charging station installed just in case. So charging should be fairly cheap. I like the idea of no oil changes since I’m currently having to do one every couple months. You just convinced me to go Plaid. Thank you brother!
Philly here, also 2023 CW owner :)
Hi Benny, it is great to meet you! Great to hear about your CW FL5!
How does this compare to the new integra. The integra felt like i wasnt even shifting it was almost to smooth. I prefer the bite of the clutch when your going from 2-3 but it was kind of under powered but im use to v-8s. Fun car regardless but it’s definitely more luxury orientated.
You can fix the unlock in settings for all doors
Thank you! I'll take a closer look at the door lock settings tomorrow. I don't know how I missed that.
Of courses, vehicle settings, then keyless access setup and then select all doors that’s how it is for the 23 si I’m sure it’s the same
@@danny30canes Thanks! I don't know how I missed that setting initially, LOL. I had only checked the locks and windows setting. All doors now unlock when unlocking the driver's door.
The car is way over dampened and too bouncy in R mode, let’s not fool yourself or the viewers
Congratulations on your amazing car. Top Gear car of the year, hot hatch of the year and Mr Chris Harris favourite of the year and do drifting with it like with new NSX he also loved too as a Porsche owner and driver of cars dumb reviewers dream of.
Thank you!
you want to take out the fake engine noise I believe the box is behind the glove box
Random, but you look like Song Joong-Ki, a Korean actor lol. Nice car btw!
Thanks!
When you compare everything (performance, driving, price, etc) which one do you choose? Bmw m2 or civic type r? I'm also considering these two. Nice video and thank you.
Thanks for the question! I plan to make a video over the weekend covering this. Stay tuned!
Have you tried double tap (around 5 seconds from the first tap) on the keyless entry of the car to unlock all the doors? I noticed quite few new cars have that feature. I believe the feature is also available in regular civics.
Thanks for the comment! I finally figured out how to set up the keyless entry so that all doors unlock when unlocking the drivers door. In my haste, I had only checked the locks and windows setting. I found the keyless access setup setting today and was able to adjust it from there.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee it can be set up on the infotainment system right? Haha. Have a good drive!
@@anassyazwi1779 indeed, it can be set up in the infotainment system. I hope you have a great weekend!
Sweet car man. You have great taste! Do you still own either of the Porshes or the plaid?
Thanks! Yes, I still have the plaid and the 911. The plaid is usually in the garage. I'll be posting an update on the plaid in a few weeks and video on the 911 after that.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Plaid depreciation has got to be brutal. I just traded mine in at $85K, bought at $140K. 15K miles. Never doing that again.
@@woochoi2639 Yes, the depreciation on the plaid is terrible - I didn't anticipate the price cuts from Tesla, lol. I have close to 30k miles on mine. I thought about selling mine before the value tanks more but it has been such a good daily driver for me. What car did you trade your plaid for?
wasnt there a recall for the seats being unproperly welded making that awful creaking noise? crazy for it to come out of factory like that.
Yes, there was a recall for that. Only a subset of VINs were affected. My car was not within the VIN range. Fortunately, I haven't noticed any noise from the seat.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee have you experiencedany 2nd gear grind and or 4th gear lockout that plagued the fk8?
@@cloud-ny5ux I haven't experienced either of those in the FL5. Thus far, I haven't experienced any unusual behavior with this transmission.
Great video! if you were to compare your 2023 M2 to your CTR, how would you rate the road noise problem for both? I currently drive 330 Msport but looking to buy either M2 or CTR. I used to own a Civic Si but that thing was loud on highway! I love how quiet my 330 is so I would want something at that level with manual transmission
Thanks! I'm in the process of making a comparison video of the M2 and Type R. I'll add this to the list of things to cover. Note: I don't think the road noise in either car is bad, but I'll measure the noise level of each on the highway with them in the most comfortable settings.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Very curious to see this comparison. I have a F87 OG M2 and contemplating going with the Acura Type S as I want to get back in a 4-door as I have 2 kids. I don't love the look of the new M2 but it definitely seems way more capable than my F87.
Specced the way I would want it puts the G87 a little out of my price range. I really want a G80 but that isn't in the cards for the same reason. The FL5 or Integra Type S look like they would be a good fit but I am leaning to the Acura for a few reasons.
@Bazgab I finished filming the FL5 - G87 comparison video yesterday and hope to release it before the weekend. If you can get an Integra Type S at MSRP or close to MSRP, I think you'll be happy with it considering the cost savings relative to the G87. The FL5 has a fun factor and special quality to it that doesn't show in the data.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee looking forward to watching your new video! I put down a deposit to get in line for M2 allocation but it’s refundable. As far as I am concerned it will be very hard to get Type S at msrp given it’s impossible to get Type R at TypeS msrp lol
Curious. A lot of reviewers hate the fake pumped in engine noise. Is there a way to remove/deactivate it similar to Bimmercode, but on Honda?
There is a module behind the glovebox that can be disconnected to disable the Active Sound Control. Personally, I think it sounds good and would only disable it if I got an aftermarket exhaust as the car is too quiet for me in comfort and sport mode.
If you care you can buy the spare tire kit from Honda.
the markups around me are insance, they cost 89000 CAD!!!! that price is not for civic anymore
That is similar to what my local dealer has been asking for their FL5 Type Rs ($63k USD) - way too much. I was fortunate to find a nearby dealer that doesn't charge ADMs.
Lol imagine spending 90 grand on a ugly ass civic
@@danielzychniewicz2633 ugly? Yet here you are.
@@pinoyozzyworld cause this car came up in my feed. Why would I search this when I can search something nice looking.
6 months later, civic type R sold, bought integra, sold integra, buys the new next gen tlx type s.
Integra Type S...maybe.
Nice Type-R - the FK8 looks better but this one has a better sound system and a nicer infotainment screen.
Thanks! I prefer the looks of the FL5, but I've gotten quite a bit of feedback from folks who prefer the looks of the FK8. The FK8 styling is certainly distinctive.
FK8 looks like a transformer. Lol cope harder
dam im jealous u got the m2 now type r and have the porsche
I feel pretty lucky to have all these cars at the same time. I'll be making a video on the 911 soon - hopefully within a month.
Keep the Porsche
If you had to have just one car out of all owned/ previously owned ..what would it be?
If I could do my car purchases over again, I would have kept my 2004 WRX STI. That was a special car to me at that time in my life (25 years old) - it was the first car that I took to the track, it was a lot of fun, I think they still look good, and it could have supported me into my current life stage. I'd have so much more money now if I held off on the 20+ car purchases that I've made since selling it for a B6 Audi S4, lol. If I had to choose from the cars that I currently own, I'd choose the Model S Plaid. It does the daily duty better than any car that I've owned and has essentially broken my need for speed. If you had to pick one car to own, what would it be?
Is your driver seat squeaky? Some owners have the problem.
Thus far, I haven't noticed any squeaks from the seats. I drove the car quite a bit this weekend and listened closely for squeaks.
Do you wish you spent half the amount on the Subaru RS and got AWD? at 74 inches wide, these cars are bigger than I like. I prefer my Volvo V50 which is fast enough for me to have fun for under $2000.
I wasn't in the market for an AWD car (I have a few AWD cars as well) but I agree that you can have a similar fun factor for less money, especially if buying used. I really wanted to experience a Civic Type R and really like the FL5 body style.
we have the same sunglasses, green with brown lens. Polarized??
Nice! You have great taste 😉! Yes, they are polarized.
You ever owned a n Sti? If so how does this compare?
I owned a 2004 STI - that was one of my favorite cars. It was the first car that I took to the track. The last STI that I drove was a 2011 as I was in the market for a hatch several years ago. I don't have experience with the newer STIs, however, they use the same EJ25 engine so I suppose the power would feel the same. From what I remember of it, I think the 2004 STI felt more raw - that car had fairly solid bushings. The 2011 was a bit softer and I'd say the Type R is comparable. The STI shifter is very mechanical and bit notchier than the Type R's shifter. Despite one being AWD and the other FWD, I think the fun factor of both cars is similar.
The rear looks nice but the front looks too long.
I think it's the wide angle of the camera that is causing that. If you see in person, it looks like a Civic Sport Touring with a spoiler. Pretty boring looking for most people, I think it looks really nice compared to the last generation. More Suttle and fitting of its performance.
front looks like an accord, back lights looks ugly.... honda shouldn't extend the line that connects the two back lights... they should've keep them separate, looks more clean that way
I personally like the styling of the car. The Integra Type S has the back lights separated. What do you think of the styling of the Integra Type S?
the taillights are my favorite part of the 11th gen hatchback, u have some weird opinions man
What did you pay? Any markup?
I did not pay a markup but had to purchase ~$3500 in accessories which included the all weather trunk mat, wheel locks, exterior and interior protection package, etc.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee that’s a fantastic deal. Mind telling me which dealer and if there’s a long waiting list? Also, curious to hear your thoughts on this vs the M2 as I’m cross shopping the two.
@@atl_e I bought the car from Honda of Turnersville in Turnersville, NJ. I worked with Tee - the order and purchase process was easy.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee just reached out, they only sell locally and I’m in Atlanta 😢
@@atl_e Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear that it did not work out with Turnersville.
Im looking for one right now. Did you pay over msrp and how much.
I had to purchase around $3k in accessories and protection packages, which I still consider to be a good deal compared to the market adjustments that I see on Facebook and forums.
@TheLifeofJoeLee That's a good deal
The best I've gotten so far is 5k over on a Sonic Grey on the eastcoast.
Thank you for your Response.
@@hitman6191 are you in NJ? If so, I'll connect you with the dealership that I bought my car from. They only sell locally.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Nope, I'm in Southern California.
The markups here in San Diego all want 20k over and will not budge.
Im from Nj. can you connect me?
@@TheLifeofJoeLee
Is the wing carbon fibre?
No, the wing on my car is not carbon fiber. Honda offers it as an option for ~$2100.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee dang that's pricey is that normal price for a carbon wing?
@@Alex_Fung It is pricey but I consider that to be within the price range for an OEM quality carbon fiber spoiler. A carbon fiber spoiler can be had for much cheaper but I've seen a lot of variation in quality (fit an finish) that is representative of the market price.
did you pay a markup?
I had to purchase ~$3500 in accessories and packages, but there was no ADM.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Not a bad deal there.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Nice purchase! Which dealer is this if you don't mind? Thanks!
I would have purchased the BMW m4 competition x drive.
The M4 Competition X drive is a nice car. Having had the M2 for 2 months now - I'm finding that it isn't missing any features that my old F80 M3 had (the G87 M2 has Heads Up Display). I'd have a hard time justifying the $18k difference in MSRPs. However, I understand if folks are looking for X-drive, the M2 wouldn't even be in consideration. Also, the styling is a bit polarizing. I have 2 AWD cars so I was specifically looking for a RWD car when I purchased the M2.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee I had the M3 comp x drive, and it's a ballistic missile with incredible traction. But not agile and fun like the M2 must be. If you do a manual M4 (rwd), it's still about $18k more than an M2 with some options. I do like the full merino leather as opposed to the vernasca, but the longer wheelbase means it's less agile.
How much dealer mark up did you pay?
I had to purchase ~$3500 in accessories and packages but did not have to pay a dealer market adjustment.
idk the new type r looks more like and accord r way too plain and boring looking...
I have driven Accords for over 20 year's, and I really like the Type-R. Won't pay the $20k over MSRP BS. I plan to pick one of these up in a few years. Once the "New" wears off of them and the prices take a nosedive. We are a year out from a much more normal car market, and these cars will be two or three deep at the dealerships for MSRP. That's when I will go get one, for a real deal.
Maybe it is because I'm old, but I like the relatively subtle styling (subtle compared to the FK8).
Did you pay any mark up?
I did not pay a market adjustment but paid $3500 for accessories and protection packages.
I wouldn't buy for that price. I'd rather buy a V8.
theres more to it than just speed. While honda isnt know for their speed or AWD, it makes up for in handling which can be fun in its own for track use. its not a drag race car by any means.
There are good options in this price category. A V8 will sound better and have more HP, but it will weigh more. The Type R feels light to me, which is one factor that makes it fun. A 2023 Mustang GT weighs 540 lbs more than the Type R. With that said, I'm eyeing the Lexus LC 500, which has a V8 - however, it is a heavy car. I don't think it will have the fun factor of the Type R, but it has other qualities.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee that’s awesome, the Lexus lc500 are are and sharp. Great touring beast.
A front wheel drive 300+ hp car? Haha, I'll keep my S2000 thank you.
Regardless of whether you like the FL5, I think it is wise to keep your S2000 - I regret selling mine back in the day. They are different animals. The FL5 can do daily driver duty well, is easier to drive, and can serve as someone's only car. Despite putting down over 320 whp and 330 wtq, it seems to manage the power well.
you have too much money, or a lot of debt
Its the most overrated car of the year. Its not worth 72k aud
What MY2023 car would you choose? In the US market, I think the $44.5k USD MSRP is appropriate given the competition amongst new cars. I wouldn't pay a dealer market adjustment. We don't have the GR Yaris here and the GR Corollas are selling in the same price range.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee I'd take the i30n sedan (Elantra n) and put the money into good use.
Performance is basically the same.
I30n sedan is 56k AuD , huge savings and the gap between them both isn't anywhere near the cost difference
@@mharro88 That is a compelling option. The MSRP for the Elantra N in the US is about $9k less than the Civic Type R's MSRP. I couldn't get behind the styling (subjective), but I agree that it is a much better value.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee yeah the styling is something else.
It’s expensive but definitely not overrated. I got mine last weekend and I love it. I like the i30n (hatch) and agree performance wise the Hyundai is better value. However good thing doesn’t always have a good value and in fact most Honda classic cars are well above their class average price when released and they still hold their value well in the last few decades. Whether your like or can afford is personal choice but it is not overrated and plenty people are on the waiting list to get one.
its in the setting to open all the doors
Thanks! I found the setting under keyless access - initially, I had only looked under windows and locks.