Does the $950 Okki Nokki One clean records better than the $250 Squeaky Clean Mk3?
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
- I really hate snaps/crackles/pops (the sounds, not the cereal), when I’m listening to my records.
I’m on a mission to find the best way to clean my records, and along the way, I want to share the different tools that I’m using.
I recently picked up the new Okki Nokki One vacuum record cleaning system, and I wanted to compare to another vacuum record cleaner that I have, the Squeaky Clean Mk3.
This isn’t meant to be a definitive overview of each cleaner, instead, I wanted to see what difference, if any, there is between the two when it comes to a simple cleaning.
This isn’t my normal cleaning regimen, but I wanted to keep the comparison simple and apples-to-apples.
For this comparison, I made a batch of the London Jazz Collector formula to use.
Thanks for watching!
Hello, Hello Fidelity! I'm Nick, the guy who created the Squeaky Clean MK3 and I would love to share this video if it's ok with you. Very fair review of my system and everyone should know that I include the wetting agent to make a gallon of the London Jazz Collector formula from drugstore quality water and alcohol. I agree the household shop-vac is loud, you can also use it to clean your car or your cat's litter box when you're not cleaning records (try that with a Okki Nokki )
Hi Nick, so glad you came across my video! I'd be more than happy for you to share it :)
Little amount of water you're sucking off you would be alright to just use your house vacuum cleaner what is in this formula you talk about
I’ve had and used my Squeaky clean for years and I’m very happy with it. I guess I’m accustomed to using shop vacs around the house and used to the noise. Plus most probably play their records louder LOL
I thought I was the only one who looked at these cleaning devices with full platters and thought, "Isn't the newly cleaned side going to pick up crud from the platter which was just touching the side that has not yet been cleaned?" It's great to see someone else thought the same thing!
Thank you for posting this video, you did a great job. Very thorough.
Looking forward to more videos
Thanks for taking the time and effort for testing, Hope you will get more subs.
Good Concept.. Great Video. all the best...
Good luck with your channel. I like the way you set up the comparison.
Thank you!
Brilliant, a true comparison, this video is 10/10 the best video I’ve seen in cleaning records with different methods!
On second thoughts where’s that CD 😂😂😂
Thanks for the encouragement, Mike! Glad you liked the comparison!
I own the Squeaky Clean Mk3 since a year and a half. not looking back. Your video shows all the information that I would have like to know before buying (I also use Ear Muff). Keep doing similar video! :) you are doing an excellent job ! :)
Thank you for the kind comment!
Thank you for this video!
Hi, Fidelity,
Thanks for the fair and straightforward review. I was able to get a used MK III off ebay for a really good price and am looking forward to using it. Glad to see that it should my limited needs. Its turntable works much more smoothly it is oiled a bit underneath where the ball bearings are...it really does help.
Thanks again for an honest and comprehensible review!
Good effort. Thank you.
Good Video continue the Good work
Squeaky Clean MK III FTW!
Thank you for this great video!!
I have a very simple set up similar to MK and tried L'Art du Son cleaner concentrate and I use a small microfiber brush going back and forth ,rinse with distilled water ,vacuum dry and the sound results are great .. I have not used many different brands of fluid but I think the L'Art du Son cleaning fluid made the big difference and maybe you should give that brand a try ...
Great video. I have owned an Okki Nokki machine for several years, and I find that the goat hair brushes do a great job at spreading fluid onto the record; they don't do a great job of scrubbing the record. I have found that using a cleaning pad such as the one sold by Mofi performs better with scrubbing. I also do a quick rinse with distilled water after to clean away any of the cleaning solution that might have been left behind. I really enjoyed your video!
Very good video! I think cleaning records really make a difference and are important to the enjoyment of listening to them ☺.
I like your testing procedure here, trying to keep things as equivalent as possible. For what it's worth, I have found that circular agitation/scrubbing does help a bit to flush the fluids into the grooves better. The Liquinox dilution, Ilfotol dilution, and 2 rinse passes, each cleaning stage with at least 1 minute of agitation (more for really nasty records) is a huge win. I stopped using my DIY ultrasonic setup when it proved to simply be faster and more effective to use these solutions on the Okki Nokki directly. One other nice thing about the Ilfotol solution is reduced static charge build-up from vacuuming.
Ah cool, will try the circular agitation scrubbing method next time!
Well done! I would add that it's good to use a soft brush to dry wipe away dust on the lp before wet washing.
Great video - I'd like to see more about the equipment in the background! I have an SL10 in my collection but that's nothing compared to your Technics setup!
The SL-10 is a great turntable, and I want to keep my records clean so that I don't prematurely wear out the 310MC cartridge! (But in the video I was using an Audio Technica cartridge since I knew I'd be playing dirty records...)
Hi. Just watched your video which I found very informative. I really liked your straight forward presentation which I feel provides a fair comparison. Have you tried the Pro-Ject vc-e cleaning machine which is similar to the okki nokki but significantly cheaper (here in the UK anyway)?
The Project machine is half the price of the okkinokki, way better built (full aluminium-Body) and better looking...
One thing missing? I feel the technique of "how" you scrub the records makes all the difference I feel you must scrub with the brush much longer IMO and bristles should go against the grooves so as to scoop out debris and suspend in the solution. I have done similar tests and tests with ultrasonic record cleaners and now just use a nitty gritty vacuum record cleaner. I use a self made record solution with 2% denatured alcohol, 7% surfactant (rinse agent or wetting agent for dishwashers) and 5% industrial photography detergent with the remaining being distilled water without minerals. After scrubbing one record twice on both sides I use distilled water with 1% surfactant to rinse the grooves then vacuum and air dry. This is a technique I've found works well and under microscope leaves near zero residue. Also I would have you check out level 42's debut album.....excellent!
Great video! I'm curious if the solution has an impact on how much gunk is removed from the grooves. I have the squeaky clean and use a mixture of Groovinator solution mixed with distilled water but it's a hassle to store and handle. Looking for a more handy (and quiet!) solution hahaha. It seem like the Okki Nokki One is quieter than the Squeaky Clean. Am I right?
The Okki Nokki One is *much* quieter than the Stinger Vac I use with the SqueakyClean. I always wear ear protection with the SqueakyClean, whereas with the Okki I usually skip wearing ear protection.
About the solution, and what does the best job getting dirt out of the grooves, there is a really detailed manual on record cleaning, Google for "Precision Aqueous Cleaning of Vinyl Records 3rd edition"
I have an older Okki Nokki (the better German-built ones with the metal vacuum tube). I previously used a KAB EV-1 manual RCM very much like the Squeaky Clean, but with the vacuum nozzle on the underside. Both machines are equally effective, but the Okki Nokki is a *LOT* more enjoyable and less tedious to use. I have also used ultrasonic cleaning which can also be helpful for grit, but ultimately what makes the most difference is the cleaning solution, agitation, and time. The "Precision Aqueous Cleaning of Vinyl Records 3rd edition" suggestion is spot on, but the easiest summary would be to get Ilfotol, mix 10ml of it into 1 liter of distilled water, use that as a cleaning solution, then do one or two passes of distilled water rinse and vacuum (it MUST be rinsed). That alone is more effective than any pre-mixed solution that I used previously, as well as more effective than ultrasonic alone. Better pre-cleaning would be a similar dilution of Liquinox (10ml to 1 liter water), then clean with the Ilfotol dilution, then rinse. It's tedious (making motorized RCMs like the Okki Nokki a real benefit), but it works extremely well.
Wow the SL-10, SL-7 and SL-5 on that rack
Nice video. I had a Project machine but it leaked on me then they gave me an up grade but that started sounding louder then a jet taking off so they gave me another one and on the third machine it was still did the same. So I ended up buying a VPI machine. I really liked the project machine only because the it grabbed just on the label like yours!! Unfortunately my VPI machine does not do that & that's a nice feature to have.. As a machinist I tried the mount the other clamp on there so it could just grab on the label but the shaft on the motor was not high enough for the clamp to grab..
I have project machine. Didn't leak. Mine isn't that loud..no more louder than vac cleaner. I actually have a sofa behind machine so this dedens sound maybe. I got machine tho..on black Friday price..470aus. It's totally effective..but it was a bargain price.
@@yorkemar Well Lots of luck with your machine!! My 3 machines failed!! I was sorry about that & was pissed! Remember to keep your motor dry & let it run for a bit after you clean each record.
@pdrummer davis sorry about that. Maybe warranty?. Hoping mine will last ling enough so all re ords are done. It's on about #400..have 500.
My question is, except for proving a base and a brush, how different is the Squeaky Clean from the Vinyl Vac? It seems to me to be essentially the same thing. Yes, it’s nice that SC provides those extras that the VV doesn’t. But is that worth the large price difference?
Thank you for posting this video. It’s good to see how different products compare with one another!!!
Reviews for the Vinyl Vac indicate the cleaning pads are pretty terrible - just 2 rubber pads cheaply glued to a cheap PVC pipe. 3D printed is definitely gonna be higher quality than that drilled PVC. Buy once cry once!
Ive cleaned records before,I use washing up liquid and a soft cloth and worm water,Give it wash and rinse with a soft cloth,Record comes up very clean,Allmost brand new again and play pefectly well
Could you please tell us the magnification factor of the microscope you used and maybe also its model / manufacturer?
really good and informative video...
what i dont like about the washing maschines...expensive for that i have to do most steps manually...and way too loud. i use a Knossi ( all manual but silent.´)
Some audiophiles will really go to insane lengths for a truncated frequency response, 50dB dynamic range and inner groove distortion
I can clean one of those newfangled Compact Discs with my shirt ($5) :)
Can anyone tell me the brand and model of that digital zoom you used?
Hi, Hello Fidelity! What is the name of the microscope?
Does it clean better than the $79 pro ject spin clean?
Did you follow the instructions on, among other things, how long you should Clean on each side of the disc
I love woman with a scientific mind and who uses the word perpendicular. He He, Sweet bottom. Thanks for the informative review.
why didn't you use the brush that comes with the Okki Nokki? In my experience it cleans better if you apply some downforce on the brush
HI, very nice review, subscribed. I used the Okki Nokki One for three years now with an exeptional effectivness in cleaning records and i have some suggestions for you: 1) use the large platter, 2) the most important thing is how to use the brush: you have been too gentle; push the brush with a certain (good) pressure against the record (this is why you need the larger platter) and keep it firm until you feel the friction force of the record, wich tries to bring your brush away. And don't worry, you'll not damage your record, you're only cleaning in in depth. 3)Very important: before putting the fluid on the record, do a dry pass with the vacuum on it, to suck away all the dust (it does it). Happy cleaning ! 😁
Is your record player of such quality that you can determine whether the sound quality is better, if there is more or less detail in the sound, etc. the liquid you use when cleaning can also affect the sound. That's what is said
Would you mind kindly you do a similar microscope review on Pro Ject VC E record cleaning Machine
Hi, could you tell me the brand and the model of that microscope? Where can I buy it?
This is the brand + model of the microscope I used: Andonstar ADSM301. However, I purchased it a couple of years ago and so I am guessing there's probably newer/better models out now!
so to get this perfectly clear: both machines with their outrageous prices do not clean your records! i am cleaning the record. so all i need is a good cleaning solution, a brush and a shopvac with a 3d printed nozzle with another brush.
I have a KLaudio LP200. Ultrasonic cleaners are the only ones that get deep into the groove.
Only distilled water. Brilliant sounding, no static or dust
The Oreck spin clean - not bad for the price for surficial cleaning
What are those like 6 grand?
The common factor is both have solutions that suck. :)
Forget the squeaky clean way too troublesome not to mention how loud it is. The Okki Okki one is stress free, that means it a pleasure to use unlike the other “one” 😅
Best clean is a manual step like this then into an ultrasonic machine.
Okki sound more open after cleaning.
I bet you can get better results using distilled water, ph neutral soap and cotton or fiber rags..
Remove static before and after washing the specs you see could be held there from static!
She’s cleaning a 12” record on a 7” adapter on the okki nokki?
Dawn soap and water and datavac duster to blow the water off.....
you are so scientific, Lady !
...and gorgeous !
That squeaky clean thing looks like it should cost under 100 dollars. I guess anything to do with high fidelity multiplies the price.
It is 135 USD and honestly comparing with other options dollar for dollar a great deal.
If a cleaning liquid comes with a cleaning product, it should be considered part of the product. And the product must be the same as a normal customer can buy
VPI Cyclone and never looked back
The price for the squeaky clean is ridiculous for what it is imo.
Hell yeah, better buy a ProJect VC-E2 or VC-S3 over them both.
Just think about being a band, selling two records, which are bought to test cleaning maschines…
Use eye enzyme contact cleaner better you could mix 30% alcohol if needed
Charge it with your credit card that’s it lol 😂
I am very sorry, but, although the squeaky-clean is quite a good idea,, but for 250 dollars, I can get an Ultrasonic cleaner for 4 Records at once! And there is no comparison between ultrasonic cleaning and a vacuum cleaner! Sorry, but more than 50,- is not a reasonable price, and this product sadly will disappear from the market at 250D... I know how much work it is to come from the idea to a sellable product, but there is also the thing of diminishing returns of a product. And here, the summit is estimated at 50 bucks...
I agree. I'm not going to work as hard as that and spend as much time as that on each and every LP I have. That's ridiculous for the less than stellar results. I'll will however spend a few more dollars above the Squeaky Clean machine's going price and get something ultrasonic. A little more money gets you a LOT more in cleanliness and ease of use.
To me it's worth it just to not have to turn that damn wheel by hand. I would pay for the okki nokki
I have cleaned some thousands of LP's with cold water, dish washing liquid (not the cream Ivory type) and a cotton ball, then rinse with cold water, stand on towel to air dry. Try this before blowing money on the next "it" cleaning device. If you have good quality public drinking water, you do not need distilled water.
For that amount you can buy an ultrasonic cleaner
Use a surfactant on the record... The cleaning fluid is beading up.. Preventing the cleaner getting into the Grove.. Hence dust left... Waste of time.. Clean the record properly. Dabbing it is not enuff
The cleaning fluid she is using has a surfactant in it unless it was mistakenly left out.
Okki Nokki's are ~500 dollars... damn u guys got scammed in CA
Not scammed. It's called the currency exchange rate. Guess you flunked world economics in school, huh? The Canadian $$ does not equal the US $$. Just like an Australian $$. The Canadian and Aussie bucks are close to par but both are between 25-30% less value than the US $.
I like your accent
Both of the presented products are a total waste of money. A Knosti Disco Antistat costs approx EUR 60,- and cleans just as good. I’ve been using mine for over 15 years and have never been dissapointed.
$950 for a Okki Nokki?! LOL! You can get a Pro-Ject for about $500! SMH!
No disrespect but don’t compare okki nokki to that monstrosity. There’s been a lot though put into the nokki nokki it’s noise level is actually manageable.
She;a got a great future behind her 🍑
Waste of money........
Hello pointless record cleaning when you can just stick a CD in and press play!!
Really, do you want a shop-vac sitting amidst your audio gear? The finer systems at least can be placed comfortably.