In every video I see of Patrick talking about his father he never calls him Dad. He always calls him Hemingway. Kinda shows how not being a great father can make a kid feel about you. To be fair, had Ernest had his kids around him more he may have not had the experiences in his life that helped give him the material he used to write.
Fitzgerald holds a rather significant place as far as the editorial advice (nearly all of which was taken, then later denied to have ever been given) by Hemingway.
@stevevandien my insults weren't thoughtless, I thought long and hard about how a man who reads Hemingway and uses the word ugly to describe the passages about scott and ford and stein. Ugly? bahahahaha, if you can't stomach it doll maybe you should stay away from his writing all together...go back and read the Chapter Birth of New School...you remind me of the gent who comes and interrupts Hem while he's writing....stay away from this cafe steve
@stevevandien steve look Im sorry for your trouble I sincerely am, but thats not what we are talking about and is not helping your argument. Cancer impacts all of us even if we don't have it someone close to us does or has had it and died. We all have our problems so don't think by telling me yours youre gonna change my mind. Petit papa facade is not the case here I am far from being as confident and whatever else Hemingway was...but its because of him...continued next post
Respond to this video...he wasn't mean to scott at all, in fact the first paragraph of the chapter scott fitz is the most amazing description of any writer that I have ever read. ok im lost here and am not focused on a point and that bothers me so I'm gonna stop and wait for a reply...
@stevevandien steve you seem like a good man and in no way have you insulted me you have been civil and true to your first comment that I disagreed with...but lets dog all that bull and actually get something out that means something....I stay true to my opinion that hemingway only glorified Scott and G. S. He did infact brutally "cut" Ford and Ford might have deserved it and he may have not, but thats how Hemingway felt at the time. Personally I would have been the same way toward Ford.
@stevevandien the man was cruel to waiters and I have no tolerance for that....Hemingway portrayed him as he was I believe and you know what you can't be friends or like everyone so why try.
@stevevandien very well. Hem writes nothing that is hurtful to fitz and if anything he speaks highly and with great affection for the man. Now as for Hem not having a career without these people is nonsense...the man would have kept at it because he was a man of conviction and he valued (keyword) writing. It gave him purpose you see? No day was wasted that was spent writing and I think thats how he was able to live...without anything to live for whats the reason. I have books and music...
@stevevandien Hemingway helped Stein more than she helped him because all she wanted was to be published and thought ford at the trans atlantic he did just that. Ford was himself an old wounded dog who was probably more willing to bite than bark, but never the less he did help Hem, but that doesn't mean he had to like him. Scott and Perkins is very interesting, I'm reading Scotts letters and many of them are to Perkins. I don't know how Hem met Perkins but if you say it was through Scott than...
@stevevandien so basically you think he was being harsh on them when in fact they had been great friends at one point....at least with stein and scott, and I don't think you took into account that he wrote this in the early 60's. He was like an old wounded dog then and his only kindness was to the craft which is his some of his best. Now I don't think he was mean to Scott so lets turn this around and actually get to the facts...im sorry we haven't sooner. Man im sick of running out of characters
@stevevandien that I have come to understand certain things about life and how best to go about getting the most out of it. I used to be a sweet guy when I was younger (im 27 hardly a young fella but I guess you have seen more days than I and I respect that and am open to your opinions as i am enjoying our back and forth) but things along the way have made me realized that life isn't all wine and roses and now I don't mind speaking my mind on things that I believe in.
@stevevandien and places and people that I love and they keep life worth living. I can only assume that you have such things in your life or you would have given up long ago. There is peppered through out his writing his belief on how to live and how to get the most out of it by how you value things...and I think he was as close as any man has ever come to understanding how one can get the most out of living.
In every video I see of Patrick talking about his father he never calls him Dad. He always calls him Hemingway. Kinda shows how not being a great father can make a kid feel about you. To be fair, had Ernest had his kids around him more he may have not had the experiences in his life that helped give him the material he used to write.
yeh but which is more valuable?
wow I'm the newest comment here,...I guess no one cares about literature anymore?
yes very true indeed.@@simplelife3575
Fitzgerald holds a rather significant place as far as the editorial advice (nearly all of which was taken, then later denied to have ever been given) by Hemingway.
at his worst he was a great writer, at his best...he WAS the best.
Vessels are afloat
Keeping their savoury course,
A moveable feast
@stevevandien my insults weren't thoughtless, I thought long and hard about how a man who reads Hemingway and uses the word ugly to describe the passages about scott and ford and stein. Ugly? bahahahaha, if you can't stomach it doll maybe you should stay away from his writing all together...go back and read the Chapter Birth of New School...you remind me of the gent who comes and interrupts Hem while he's writing....stay away from this cafe steve
@stevevandien steve look Im sorry for your trouble I sincerely am, but thats not what we are talking about and is not helping your argument. Cancer impacts all of us even if we don't have it someone close to us does or has had it and died. We all have our problems so don't think by telling me yours youre gonna change my mind. Petit papa facade is not the case here I am far from being as confident and whatever else Hemingway was...but its because of him...continued next post
Respond to this video...he wasn't mean to scott at all, in fact the first paragraph of the chapter scott fitz is the most amazing description of any writer that I have ever read. ok im lost here and am not focused on a point and that bothers me so I'm gonna stop and wait for a reply...
@stevevandien steve you seem like a good man and in no way have you insulted me you have been civil and true to your first comment that I disagreed with...but lets dog all that bull and actually get something out that means something....I stay true to my opinion that hemingway only glorified Scott and G. S. He did infact brutally "cut" Ford and Ford might have deserved it and he may have not, but thats how Hemingway felt at the time. Personally I would have been the same way toward Ford.
@stevevandien the man was cruel to waiters and I have no tolerance for that....Hemingway portrayed him as he was I believe and you know what you can't be friends or like everyone so why try.
Respond to this video...also when we are done lets delete all this garbage but lets let this back and forth run its course
@stevevandien very well. Hem writes nothing that is hurtful to fitz and if anything he speaks highly and with great affection for the man. Now as for Hem not having a career without these people is nonsense...the man would have kept at it because he was a man of conviction and he valued (keyword) writing. It gave him purpose you see? No day was wasted that was spent writing and I think thats how he was able to live...without anything to live for whats the reason. I have books and music...
@stevevandien Hemingway helped Stein more than she helped him because all she wanted was to be published and thought ford at the trans atlantic he did just that. Ford was himself an old wounded dog who was probably more willing to bite than bark, but never the less he did help Hem, but that doesn't mean he had to like him. Scott and Perkins is very interesting, I'm reading Scotts letters and many of them are to Perkins. I don't know how Hem met Perkins but if you say it was through Scott than...
@stevevandien so basically you think he was being harsh on them when in fact they had been great friends at one point....at least with stein and scott, and I don't think you took into account that he wrote this in the early 60's. He was like an old wounded dog then and his only kindness was to the craft which is his some of his best. Now I don't think he was mean to Scott so lets turn this around and actually get to the facts...im sorry we haven't sooner. Man im sick of running out of characters
@stevevandien that I have come to understand certain things about life and how best to go about getting the most out of it. I used to be a sweet guy when I was younger (im 27 hardly a young fella but I guess you have seen more days than I and I respect that and am open to your opinions as i am enjoying our back and forth) but things along the way have made me realized that life isn't all wine and roses and now I don't mind speaking my mind on things that I believe in.
@stevevandien and places and people that I love and they keep life worth living. I can only assume that you have such things in your life or you would have given up long ago. There is peppered through out his writing his belief on how to live and how to get the most out of it by how you value things...and I think he was as close as any man has ever come to understanding how one can get the most out of living.
I have heard there are thousands of pages that could be released.Give us more...please
Hemingway was a real man. He lived so many lives in his short life.
Exactly