I've been a yacht captain for 45 years and TOTALLY agree w/you about that rudder angle indicator. That style always frustrated me. It should present as the rudder relates to the hull. The indicator on this vid seems to have been invented by a lubber. Also agree with you about having a bigger "throw" with the controls. Love your channel.
It’s interesting to hear your comparison of an older tug compared to a new tug. Your industry is similar with the trucking industry. Most guys like to have modern conveniences in the amenities but really wish when it came to design and engine specs that the company would bring in the people who operate the equipment and ask them to help with specifications of the new equipment. Love the channel
When I was in maintenance dept in an air separation plant , we went from preventative maintenance to a predictive maintenance system. Much more efficient.
Liked seeing the old style again! I like the new too but it was a treat! Very impressed with how clean everything is. 👍🏻 The duct tape on the speaker tho… 😂😂😂
I’m an old school guy as well, we had hydraulic controls that had a good throw. I could tap in and out to “finesse” to the dock or going in slip.the electronic are either in or out of gear.and I don’t like what happens when the electronics fail either. Good video Captain! Cool back story
Being from Louisiana- and having worked with the shipyard that built the "old" 4200s- I was admittedly biased watching this. But it seems like my bias was mostly justified. I will say that the Louisiana shipyard has a huge amount of experience engineering and building wire boats, so I think your theory on that is spot on. Great video showing how even minor differences can make a boat more or less comfortable to run!
Thank you for the comparison! I have taken notes for the day when I buy my own tug! Hopefully by then, I'll be able to afford the fuel (and everything else)! lol
Thanks so much 😊❤ for the walk through and your personal feelings on control YES, you as a Captain are so right about the stern control house being on PORT Side of vessel 😊 you, my friend, being able to see side of TUG is so important A big yes on counter TOPs to hard a surface ( for what you brilliantly pointing) The company must get captain involved with design. 😊❤ just my humble opinion
Hi Captain Tim! Good luck on your temporary duty boat. I'm with you on the Rudder Angle Indicator, it is more intuitive to show the rudder indicator as a trailing pointer rather than a leading pointer, to mimmick the actualy rudder itself. The Granite counter top means is you drop a plate or cup on it, the item will break on impact (just like you said). I wonder if Kort Nozzles can be retrofitted? CUOTO
Thank you very much for watching and supporting the channels Mellissa. I believe they can, but probably won't be on this boat as it mostly does bunker work in the harbor. CUOTO
I recognized the tool box in the wheelhouse of that boat I was actually on her a year ago for my first mate trainee trip I like the design of the older 4200s with the dog house location and the wheels and kort nozzles but I do like how the mates room and chiefs room are bigger vs the older 4200s I’ve always said the new 4200s are just a 3000 with bigger engines and a double drum winch
Thank you! Really enjoyed this video! I totally agree with you on the rudder indicator- this doesn't make sense at all.. Listening while you were talking, I had the feeling that the engines were revving higher and making more noise than on the older boat.. It might have been a coincidence (due to the operation), or is that also because of the less effective wheels?
Thank you very much for watching Magnus. I think it was just because I was walking around with the camera while Luke was running the boat. The engines should turn at the same rate as the other boat. CUOTO
Just got back from Castine where I saw Two Brats at Sea marching on the field for the Regimental Induction Ceremony… I’ll send you some pics… anyways, it’s cool to see an inside view of different tugs plying the waters of the best harbor in the world! 😁 #CUOTO
Thank you very much for watching and supporting the channels since the beginning Ian. For those that don't know, Ian, a Patron, sent his two kids to Maine Maritime Academy and they are both doing extremely well. (I like to think I had something to do with their choices). CUOTO
I they took the $$ they spent on the granite they could engineer a Dog house that could slide on a track under it from Port to Starboard side or vice versa. I’d hate to slip or fall & plant my forehead into granite. Thanks for the tour Tim.
Awesome vid as always, Tim. Yea, very often it's the littlest things that can make or break equipment, and I'm surprised nobody has a dual-doghouse boat (I've never seen one, maybe there is, or maybe that would take up too much space) it was cool to see the differences though. Thanks for always thinking of ways to new make content, and I'll C U Next Tuesday #CUOTO
😂😂😂😂 10 points Casey! I too have never seen a double doghouse. But I suspect it has to do with the cost of doubling all the controls. Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
Tim, a round shoplifting mirror on a post for the bad side will let the wire guy see it. ;) since they are convex the mirror will push the wind around itself when under way. #CUOTO
#52 Thank You, Tim. I enjoyed the tour and comparason of tugs. I wonder how much a valve job on that tug cost? Also, every morning I and three other deck hands would wash and brush the decks on the Coal Fired Rail Ferries. Coal dust everywhere! The six life boats were covered with strongbacks and canvas to keep the soot out.
Thank you for the candid look at the boat. Hope your owners are not displeased with the short comings discussed. I was in medical device design for centuries and top of the design inputs was VOC. Voice of Customer. Seems like no one asked or cared so the design went ahead with personal preferences or ‘new’ ideas. Oh well. Take care. CUOTO
Thank you for watching. First of all, these are just my opinions. Second, I do not carry any influence in the design or appointments of new tug builds. I am just one of many guys that run one of many boats within the company. The only contact I have with the higher ups is when I do something wrong. 😂 CUOTO
Hope I didn’t offend with my somewhat sharp comments about the design. It was not my intention. Just morning ramblings from an old grumpy man. Cheers. CUOTO
Thank you very much for watching. I think (but I don't know) that they have rudders and flanking rudders. The different size handles are to distinguish between the two. CUOTO
Hi Tim, another great video. Only speaking of non ducted wheels my own take is that outboard turning wheels seem to be more efficient in a straight line pull, whereas inboard wheels seem to walk better. I am an old guy, so back in the day it seemed like supply boats were almost always inboard turning as there was more of a need to walk. Bow thrusters were of course a game changer when it came to lateral movement, but they tended to be noisy and would invariably wake the Old Man up!! +1 on the offset doghouse
I don't know if you can comment on my question, if you can't or don't want to, i get it. Was the port strike by the ILA noticeable on the traffic of the ships coming in and out?
Nice walk around. Now I understand the why from your company's aspect. Makes sense and that you have a work around. When you say "Port Nozzle" is that the same as "Shrouded Propellers" ?
Hey Capt. I hope you get well soon Love your videos Honestly I loved the other version Made me feel like I was in the wheel house too with Dalton and Keith planking each other 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Cuotos
Thanks for another interesting video, Tim! It sounds like the designers at the yard didn’t ask the crews what they wanted and gave them what they thought was wanted. There is a big difference! Fuel efficiency and environmental impact are the drivers for most new builds these days, not just for tugs, but in all forms of transport. Are the new 4200’s still CAT3516 engined? Seems odd going back to an open prop design when this is less efficient than in props in a Kort. Maybe its a cost thing? Hope you get better from your cold soon. Caribbean sunshine might help with that! And some cocktails! Best wishes to you from across the Pond 🇬🇧
Thank you for watching Darren. A lot to unpack here.... The yard builds what the company orders. They are 3516s. Open wheel vs Cort Nozzle are for function, not efficiency alone. An open wheel boat should maneuver much better than a nozzle boat and cruise lite tug faster. Yes. I am not enjoying the change of seasons. 😂 CUOTO
Most go fast boats have inboard turning wheels because it provides more stern lift which provides more speed. Sport fishing boats have outboard turning wheels which provide much better maneuverability especially around the dock or in close quarters. I would think tugs would be that way also. Was surprised by this. I really enjoy videos. Thanks.
Thank you for watching David. The old onboard or out board turning prop debate. (A little more PC than what what it used to be called) For a long time, I was in the outboard camp. But then someone had me actually draw out on paper how I saw the effects of propwalk and how onboard vs outboard turning wheels would be helped in a walking scenario. I have been on team inbound ever since the exercise. CUOTO
This is fascinating. There’s a principle called ‘User Centred Design’, which is what it says. In ways you point out clearly this tug hasn’t been user-centred-designed nearly as well, point by point. As a complete non tugboat skipper(!) the things that bother me most are the rudder angle indicator orientated forwards rather than backwards, the central location of the dog house (very much contrary to user experience) and the absence of ducts on the screws.
@@TimBatSea The funniest design errors I’ve heard of is an afterburner that was a hundred times too big because the designer got all the decimal places two places further to the right than they should have been (made from an especially ordered large billet of titanium…. And a water tower which would have had the right margin of safety IF the designer had remembered to account for the weight of the water it was meant to hold!
It's the little things that add up to being a big thing. Sounds like the designer of the Florida boats needs a ride along on a wire tow. At the very least he would add some video equipment to give the views you need. Some of the newer semi trucks are doing away with the big rear view mirrors and replacing them with cameras and monitors... so what is the driver to do when they fail?
Another question I have. With the (AC) heat pump being exposed to SALT Do you find that the units corroded more over time. I'm just asking. I noticed the loud hailer being just duct taped to railing. Why is it not on a clamp with Bolts to railings
The AC units all seem to die at about the 10 year mark. Then they put another one on and we are good for another ten years. I too qas wondering what the story was with the loud hailer. My guess would be that someone knocked it off it's bracket and duck taped it to fix it right later. CUOTO
Thank you, Capt for another great video and for thinking of us! Could you talk about calculating the Bollard Pull and the difference if any between this new tug and your old tug? Thank you, Capt Tim
Thank you for watching George. I used to deck on a few tugs from the 50s and 70s and they had boilers. But all the tugs in this fleet have regular electric HVAC for heat and dual water heaters for hot water. CUOTO
Could Tim be suffering from the "Ford Factor" You have an old Ford, but you save up and get a new Ford because it's got all those new features, but after a while you wish you had your old Ford back.
I love the older mechanical diesel engines in trucks and boats the emd Detroit Cat Cummins the engineers have totally destroyed a extremely reliable Mill and turned it into a pile of crap people design these boats that never been on the water or piloted a boat pretty cool though thank you Tim COUTO
Thank you very much for watching Mathew. Most of the tigs I worked on before coming to this company were older than I am and you learn to love them too. CUOTO
You're correct about naval architects not having work experience at sea. Even in machine shops operator input is not sought. Yes, that dog house arrangement is awful. Better to have one eye than to be blind. It's aesthetically pleasing, it's centered. Kort vs open...Right vs left hand props. I ran quad crew boats. Outers out, inners in. One time a replacement prop was installed. A left or right was installed on opposite engine.😮😂😮
I thought they would have done the engine when it was in dry dock ? I bet that new one is burning less fuel because the wheels aren’t doing as much work! You said it only backs out at knot compared to 4, that’s a lot of energy not being used by the wheels! Does do about the same speed at the same rpm as the old one? COUTO!
Those drive selectors are going to cause some real damage. If you can't feel the transmission and swells are slapping it will happen it's just a matter of time.
Thank you very much for watching Mark. Like anything, I believe you get used to them. Some boats have had them for many years without a problem. But boy, I sure miss our old ones. CUOTO
Diesel Engine Sales Company (DESCO) built the world’s absolute best wooden shrimp boats in St Augustine, FL on the San Sebastian River from 1944 to 1985. We just lost Dora F in Brunswick, GA due to Hurricane Helene damage and capsizing this month. She was the second oldest DESCO working shrimp boat on the East Coast. She was delivered to the new owners in 1955. Our hearts are saddened 💔
Top end rebuild liner kit pistons ring sets piston pins gaskets etc my buddy Anthony is a diesel mechanic I’ve helped him do top ends in frames Tim is that engine a Cat 3516
To me it dosn't make any kind of sence to opt kort nozzles out, because they give that extra power you sometimes need, and you can usually do manuvering with less power, so you have reserve if you need it, and boy do we need it sometimes with a cruiseship on the hook, this year we have had record many cruiseships in Nuuk harbour, our cruiseship season is short about 2½ months, most of them can dock without help, they only need help with the lines, the pier at the cruise terminal is about 310 feet, witch is a little shorter than the 700-1000 foot long cruiseship.
Thank you for watching. I don't know that I can agree. We rarely use full power towing or pushing underway. But we are almost always hooked up when maneuvering a loaded barge. Open wheel boats usually walk and maneuver much better than nozzle boats. CUOTO
@@TimBatSea i forgot to mention we have a 185Kw bowthruster too, and we use a lot of power when handling cruiseships, when we maneuver with our barge we usually do it with main engine in idle, we only use more power if the barge is fully loaded.
There you go, when you retire you can come back as a design consultant. 😂😂 All you need is to be 25 miles away from home base and carry a brief case of 🎉😂🎉😂
Sounds like the new boats are designed by people who are college grads first and mariners second vs the old boats designed by mariners first and college grads second.
*"The AI"* (Artificial Intelligence) is going to absolutely stun this particular industry in the changes it brings as as the name suggests "intelligent" meaning anticipatory so should you have "routine"(obviously nothing routine about tug boat WORK) but yes "routine" everyday work these machines once properly situated and effecting will in fact "learn" just as part of that routine which will seem pretty creepy actually as suddenly with no new inputs said machine will start doing something new. The most straightforward manifestation would be clearing the head house of near all electronics...maybe a screen and some type of steering matter. Might see a second control station located top deck appear as well to vastly improve visibility when maneuvering or even underway actually. I doubt there will be pure play battery electric tugs as imminent everywhere but clearly this will be en route as well as they have no dwell time once operational and will be crazy quiet as well. Instant torque possibly jet drives instead of screw type propeller expect a lot of changes now that the Tesla Semi Truck is in full runrate production and all that comes with that. Definitely not the end of the internal combustion engine but is the end of the internal combustion engine for Class A Truck Driving so might want to buy a Day Cab before all that starts to wind down #tesla_semi #optimus_robot crazy amazing changes for real #starship 😊😊
Thank you for watching George. I don't know that I share your opinion. I am sure automation is coming. But it'll have to get shipping done right before it comes to tugboats. I'll be long gone before that happens. 😂 CUOTO
Newer is never better, you sure in the h*ll don't want to be on a 40-50 year old tug those are old school lol. Never really heard of outer rotating wheels? must be for prop wash its not scouring the bottom in shallow water. No nozzles either ya you'd notice the difference in snort. The local tow boat company they had a new boat built it has granite counter tops the crew didn't like them they were slippery and ya dishes broke. The tug has been sold off to another company.
Tim, old buddy, I can't finish this one. Camera work like a drunken epileptic. Swinging wildly around, especially while showing the controls, out the window, terrible technique. You've done better than this vertigo inducing amateur night in Dixie.
As an old guy, I appreciate the beautiful woodwork, and I'm glad to see that it's still valued.
Me too! Thank you for watching Mack. CUOTO
I've been a yacht captain for 45 years and TOTALLY agree w/you about that rudder angle indicator. That style always frustrated me. It should present as the rudder relates to the hull. The indicator on this vid seems to have been invented by a lubber. Also agree with you about having a bigger "throw" with the controls. Love your channel.
Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
It’s interesting to hear your comparison of an older tug compared to a new tug. Your industry is similar with the trucking industry. Most guys like to have modern conveniences in the amenities but really wish when it came to design and engine specs that the company would bring in the people who operate the equipment and ask them to help with specifications of the new equipment. Love the channel
True! Thank you very much for watching Donald. CUOTO
When I was in maintenance dept in an air separation plant , we went from preventative maintenance to a predictive maintenance system. Much more efficient.
Thank you for watching and welcome to the channel. CUOTO
I fully understand and agree with your lament about this newer tug!
😂😂😂 Thank you very much for watching. It's a great boat. It's just not "our boat". 😂 CUOTO
Always a fascinating lesson. Many thanks Cap'n Tim. Shared both channels. Blessings. Sherry 🥰🙏🛥⛵
Thank you very much for watching and sharing both channels Sherry! CUOTO
I never fail.. To learn something. Thanks bro. Another great video.
That's fantastic John! Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
Great stuff! Many thanks. It's those little details that are so fascinating.
Thank you for watching. I appreciate your feedback. CUOTO
Liked seeing the old style again! I like the new too but it was a treat! Very impressed with how clean everything is. 👍🏻 The duct tape on the speaker tho… 😂😂😂
Right? (see comment before yours). Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
Always a great tour !
Thanks Capt !!!
Thank you very much for watching Charles. CUOTO
I’m an old school guy as well, we had hydraulic controls that had a good throw. I could tap in and out to “finesse” to the dock or going in slip.the electronic are either in or out of gear.and I don’t like what happens when the electronics fail either. Good video Captain! Cool back story
Thank you very much for watching Wayne. CUOTO
Hello tim thanks for the tour , l guess we get attached to things after a while and new things botter us . CUOTO
Never found that to be true for the first two marriages. 😂 Just kidding. Thank you very much for watching Denis. CUOTO
@@TimBatSea l would say that the heart has a reason that reason ignores. 🤔
👍✅ Tks Tim, always something new and interesting👏
Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
Thank you for another Great video. Cheers
Thank you for watching Steven. CUOTO
Being from Louisiana- and having worked with the shipyard that built the "old" 4200s- I was admittedly biased watching this. But it seems like my bias was mostly justified.
I will say that the Louisiana shipyard has a huge amount of experience engineering and building wire boats, so I think your theory on that is spot on.
Great video showing how even minor differences can make a boat more or less comfortable to run!
Thank you for watching and welcome to the channel. They sure do make great boats there. CUOTO
Thanks Tim, really like the boat tours!
Thank you very much for watching Terry. CUOTO
Thanks for the tour, and for the insights only a hands-on person would have. I'm with you on the granite counter tops in the galley.
Thank you for watching Ralph. CUOTO
Thank you for the comparison! I have taken notes for the day when I buy my own tug! Hopefully by then, I'll be able to afford the fuel (and everything else)! lol
Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
Very interesting video! Thanks for the tour, Tim! You've earned a can of sardines!!
😂😂😂😂 Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
Thanks Cap’n.
Thank you for watching Doc. CUOTO
Thanks so much 😊❤ for the walk through and your personal feelings on control
YES, you as a Captain are so right about the stern control house being on PORT
Side of vessel 😊 you, my friend, being able to see side of TUG is so important
A big yes on counter TOPs to hard a surface ( for what you brilliantly pointing)
The company must get captain involved with design. 😊❤ just my humble opinion
Thank you very much for watching. They still are wonderful boats to live and work on. CUOTO
Hi Captain Tim!
Good luck on your temporary duty boat.
I'm with you on the Rudder Angle Indicator, it is more intuitive to show the rudder indicator as a trailing pointer rather than a leading pointer, to mimmick the actualy rudder itself.
The Granite counter top means is you drop a plate or cup on it, the item will break on impact (just like you said).
I wonder if Kort Nozzles can be retrofitted?
CUOTO
Thank you very much for watching and supporting the channels Mellissa. I believe they can, but probably won't be on this boat as it mostly does bunker work in the harbor. CUOTO
Tim ... You feel the need for speed ... not on the tug though but with "Starlink"!!!
Another educational / interesting video ... Stay safe ... CUOTO
Oh yes. We (I am) are missing our StarLink on our boat. Thank you very much for watching George. CUOTO
I recognized the tool box in the wheelhouse of that boat I was actually on her a year ago for my first mate trainee trip I like the design of the older 4200s with the dog house location and the wheels and kort nozzles but I do like how the mates room and chiefs room are bigger vs the older 4200s I’ve always said the new 4200s are just a 3000 with bigger engines and a double drum winch
😂😂😂😂 Very true. Thank you very much for watching Matthew. CUOTO
Thanks captain!
Thank you for watching. CUOTO
Thank you! Really enjoyed this video! I totally agree with you on the rudder indicator- this doesn't make sense at all.. Listening while you were talking, I had the feeling that the engines were revving higher and making more noise than on the older boat.. It might have been a coincidence (due to the operation), or is that also because of the less effective wheels?
Thank you very much for watching Magnus. I think it was just because I was walking around with the camera while Luke was running the boat. The engines should turn at the same rate as the other boat. CUOTO
Another top notch video. The older tugs ave some very impressive wood work
Agreed! Thank you very much for watching Chucky. CUOTO
Just got back from Castine where I saw Two Brats at Sea marching on the field for the Regimental Induction Ceremony… I’ll send you some pics… anyways, it’s cool to see an inside view of different tugs plying the waters of the best harbor in the world! 😁 #CUOTO
Thank you very much for watching and supporting the channels since the beginning Ian. For those that don't know, Ian, a Patron, sent his two kids to Maine Maritime Academy and they are both doing extremely well. (I like to think I had something to do with their choices). CUOTO
I they took the $$ they spent on the granite they could engineer a Dog house that could slide on a track under it from Port to Starboard side or vice versa. I’d hate to slip or fall & plant my forehead into granite. Thanks for the tour Tim.
Thank you very much for watching John. CUOTO
Thx for the vid Capt.
Thank you for watching. CUOTO
Awesome vid as always, Tim. Yea, very often it's the littlest things that can make or break equipment, and I'm surprised nobody has a dual-doghouse boat (I've never seen one, maybe there is, or maybe that would take up too much space) it was cool to see the differences though. Thanks for always thinking of ways to new make content, and I'll C U Next Tuesday #CUOTO
😂😂😂😂 10 points Casey! I too have never seen a double doghouse. But I suspect it has to do with the cost of doubling all the controls. Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
Tim, a round shoplifting mirror on a post for the bad side will let the wire guy see it. ;)
since they are convex the mirror will push the wind around itself when under way.
#CUOTO
Thank you for watching. I think there might be a few reasons why we don't see mirrors on ocean going tugs. 😂 CUOTO
Nice to have more usable power than you need rather than less
Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
Hey that was okay! Thanks.
Thank you very much for watching John. CUOTO
Old vss New - the new propulsion systems is what has changed the industry
Thank you for watching Frank. I am not sure about that. (Open wheels have been around forever. Cort Nozzle boats are relatively new) CUOTO
#52 Thank You, Tim. I enjoyed the tour and comparason of tugs. I wonder how much a valve job on that tug cost? Also, every morning I and three other deck hands would wash and brush the decks on the Coal Fired Rail Ferries. Coal dust everywhere! The six life boats were covered with strongbacks and canvas to keep the soot out.
Thank you very much for watching. I know they budget almost half a mil, but that includes things like heat exchangers too. CUOTO
Thanks for the video Capt Tim! What engines do the new 4200 have vs your 4200?
Thank you for watching Roger. They both use Caterpillar 3516s. But the new ones have higher emission standards and different software. CUOTO
Thank you for the candid look at the boat. Hope your owners are not displeased with the short comings discussed. I was in medical device design for centuries and top of the design inputs was VOC. Voice of Customer. Seems like no one asked or cared so the design went ahead with personal preferences or ‘new’ ideas. Oh well. Take care. CUOTO
Thank you for watching. First of all, these are just my opinions. Second, I do not carry any influence in the design or appointments of new tug builds. I am just one of many guys that run one of many boats within the company. The only contact I have with the higher ups is when I do something wrong. 😂 CUOTO
Hope I didn’t offend with my somewhat sharp comments about the design. It was not my intention. Just morning ramblings from an old grumpy man. Cheers. CUOTO
@@ejharrop1416 😂😂😂 No offence taken here. We are all grumpy old men on a Tugboat. 😂 CUOTO
Hi Tim! Good to see you again. Thanks for the comparo.
Don't river tugs have a long "tiller" for steering?
Thank you very much for watching. I think (but I don't know) that they have rudders and flanking rudders. The different size handles are to distinguish between the two. CUOTO
Hi Tim, another great video. Only speaking of non ducted wheels my own take is that outboard turning wheels seem to be more efficient in a straight line pull, whereas inboard wheels seem to walk better. I am an old guy, so back in the day it seemed like supply boats were almost always inboard turning as there was more of a need to walk. Bow thrusters were of course a game changer when it came to lateral movement, but they tended to be noisy and would invariably wake the Old Man up!! +1 on the offset doghouse
Thank you very much for watching Paco. I think we are in 💯 agreement. Yes. Walking is better on onboard turning wheels. CUOTO
Good rant Tim! Sad to say that engineers don't have tine for the experience that people that actually have to work with mess that is manufactured.
Thank you for watching Richard. 😂 CUOTO
I don't know if you can comment on my question, if you can't or don't want to, i get it. Was the port strike by the ILA noticeable on the traffic of the ships coming in and out?
Thank you for watching Nicholas. I was not at work until it was over, so I really couldn't say. CUOTO
interesting video thank you Tim
Thank you for watching James. CUOTO
your welcome Tim
Nice walk around. Now I understand the why from your company's aspect. Makes sense and that you have a work around. When you say "Port Nozzle" is that the same as "Shrouded Propellers" ?
"Cort Nozzle". Thank you very much for watching. Yes. Like an airplane wing rolled around the propeller. CUOTO
Hey Capt. I hope you get well soon
Love your videos
Honestly I loved the other version
Made me feel like I was in the wheel house too with Dalton and Keith planking each other 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cuotos
😂😂😂 Thank you very much for watching Al. CUOTO
Thanks for another interesting video, Tim!
It sounds like the designers at the yard didn’t ask the crews what they wanted and gave them what they thought was wanted. There is a big difference!
Fuel efficiency and environmental impact are the drivers for most new builds these days, not just for tugs, but in all forms of transport.
Are the new 4200’s still CAT3516 engined?
Seems odd going back to an open prop design when this is less efficient than in props in a Kort.
Maybe its a cost thing?
Hope you get better from your cold soon. Caribbean sunshine might help with that! And some cocktails!
Best wishes to you from across the Pond 🇬🇧
Thank you for watching Darren. A lot to unpack here....
The yard builds what the company orders.
They are 3516s.
Open wheel vs Cort Nozzle are for function, not efficiency alone. An open wheel boat should maneuver much better than a nozzle boat and cruise lite tug faster.
Yes. I am not enjoying the change of seasons. 😂 CUOTO
Another great tutorial Cap'n. Just out of curiosity, are there any tugs that use azipods?
Thank you very much for watching John. Yes. Those are tractor tugs and are usually only used for ship assistance because of their added expense. CUOTO
Most go fast boats have inboard turning wheels because it provides more stern lift which provides more speed. Sport fishing boats have outboard turning wheels which provide much better maneuverability especially around the dock or in close quarters. I would think tugs would be that way also. Was surprised by this. I really enjoy videos. Thanks.
Thank you for watching David. The old onboard or out board turning prop debate. (A little more PC than what what it used to be called) For a long time, I was in the outboard camp. But then someone had me actually draw out on paper how I saw the effects of propwalk and how onboard vs outboard turning wheels would be helped in a walking scenario. I have been on team inbound ever since the exercise. CUOTO
This is fascinating. There’s a principle called ‘User Centred Design’, which is what it says. In ways you point out clearly this tug hasn’t been user-centred-designed nearly as well, point by point.
As a complete non tugboat skipper(!) the things that bother me most are the rudder angle indicator orientated forwards rather than backwards, the central location of the dog house (very much contrary to user experience) and the absence of ducts on the screws.
Thank you very much for watching Stephen. CUOTO
@@TimBatSea The funniest design errors I’ve heard of is an afterburner that was a hundred times too big because the designer got all the decimal places two places further to the right than they should have been (made from an especially ordered large billet of titanium…. And a water tower which would have had the right margin of safety IF the designer had remembered to account for the weight of the water it was meant to hold!
@@stephensmith799 😂😂😂 Thank you very much for watching Stephen. CUOTO
I'll take function over form everyday of the week! Much to the annoyance of my stylish wife. Thanks again Tim. CUOTO
💯 😂 Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
It's the little things that add up to being a big thing. Sounds like the designer of the Florida boats needs a ride along on a wire tow. At the very least he would add some video equipment to give the views you need. Some of the newer semi trucks are doing away with the big rear view mirrors and replacing them with cameras and monitors... so what is the driver to do when they fail?
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Good video Tim,
Very enjoyable!
Thank you very much for watching John. CUOTO
@TimBatSea I really enjoy your thoughts on handling the tug and barge.
@@sallyb3 Thank you very much John. CUOTO
The "Tug Mars" which I have worked on, had a doghouse on both port and starboard.
It must have been from Mars, because I've never seen a double doghouse before. 😂 😂 😂 Thank you very much for watching Gary. CUOTO
Another question I have. With the (AC) heat pump being exposed to SALT
Do you find that the units corroded more over time. I'm just asking. I noticed the loud hailer being just duct taped to railing. Why is it not on a clamp with Bolts to railings
The AC units all seem to die at about the 10 year mark. Then they put another one on and we are good for another ten years. I too qas wondering what the story was with the loud hailer. My guess would be that someone knocked it off it's bracket and duck taped it to fix it right later. CUOTO
fun job
Thank you for watching. CUOTO
Noisier than I imagined
Thank you for watching and welcome to the channel Karl. CUOTO
Thanks for the tour ... Be safe !
Thank you for supporting the channels Jack! CUOTO
Thank you, Capt for another great video and for thinking of us! Could you talk about calculating the Bollard Pull and the difference if any between this new tug and your old tug? Thank you, Capt Tim
Thank you for watching. I'm not sure what the exact bollard pull tonnage is, but this boat has a lot less than our regular boat. CUOTO
@@TimBatSea thank you for responding Capt Tim, CUOTO
Question! For heating. Do tug boats have boilers for hot water and heat. I don’t think you get it off the engines. Thank you! Regards George 😅
Thank you for watching George. I used to deck on a few tugs from the 50s and 70s and they had boilers. But all the tugs in this fleet have regular electric HVAC for heat and dual water heaters for hot water. CUOTO
Cool info.
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Could Tim be suffering from the "Ford Factor" You have an old Ford, but you save up and get a new Ford because it's got all those new features, but after a while you wish you had your old Ford back.
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The one that runs
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I agree on the RAI.
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I will admit some of the newer tugs look pretty cool. C Tractors are a breeze to operate
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great videos!!, sad you have place a disclaimer...
Thank you for watching. It's a small price to be allowed to film. CUOTO
Hi Tim,
Any idea how many engine hours between rebuilds?
Cheers
That's engineer stuff. 😂 I'd guess 15k hours but I could be way off. Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
I think he said on the 3000 he was on that they did the heads at around 6000hrs full rebuild at 12k. About 5 years and 10years.
@@markpontes4457 That sounds right. CUOTO
I love the older mechanical diesel engines in trucks and boats the emd Detroit Cat Cummins the engineers have totally destroyed a extremely reliable Mill and turned it into a pile of crap people design these boats that never been on the water or piloted a boat pretty cool though thank you Tim COUTO
Thank you very much for watching Eddie. CUOTO
New vs old video title is sure to get a lot of views and comments from old farts with bad memories that forgot how crappy things were in the past! 😂
Thank you very much for watching Mathew. Most of the tigs I worked on before coming to this company were older than I am and you learn to love them too. CUOTO
Does the new boat use def fluid like the newer trucks?
Thank you for watching Walter. No. But we have to run marine diesel ultra liw sulfur fuel. CUOTO
That rudder indicator deal messed me up the moment you said it lmao that would bother me
Thank you for watching and welcome to the channel. CUOTO
You're correct about naval architects not having work experience at sea. Even in machine shops operator input is not sought.
Yes, that dog house arrangement is awful. Better to have one eye than to be blind. It's aesthetically pleasing, it's centered. Kort vs open...Right vs left hand props. I ran quad crew boats. Outers out, inners in. One time a replacement prop was installed. A left or right was installed
on opposite engine.😮😂😮
😂😂😂😂 The thing must have done circles. 😂 Thank you very much for watching. To be fair, the yard builds what the customer asks for. CUOTO
I thought they would have done the engine when it was in dry dock ? I bet that new one is burning less fuel because the wheels aren’t doing as much work! You said it only backs out at knot compared to 4, that’s a lot of energy not being used by the wheels! Does do about the same speed at the same rpm as the old one? COUTO!
I think you may be on to something. Thank you very much for watching Mark. CUOTO
Hate it when landlubber designers think the rudder is at the front between those whirly things for frothing the water latte.
😂😂😂 Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
Those drive selectors are going to cause some real damage. If you can't feel the transmission and swells are slapping it will happen it's just a matter of time.
Thank you very much for watching Mark. Like anything, I believe you get used to them. Some boats have had them for many years without a problem. But boy, I sure miss our old ones. CUOTO
Tim you mentioned you burn 125 gal of fuel per hour is that totally or each engine and the generator included
Thank you for watching Ed. That is each main engine at full load. CUOTO
Wow
Tim out of the manny u tubers you are the few that answer our comments
Any chance the newer boats were built in Panama City, Fl. ( mu hometown) Eastern Shipbuilding is well known in the industry.
No chance. East coast near St Augustine. Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
Diesel Engine Sales Company (DESCO) built the world’s absolute best wooden shrimp boats in St Augustine, FL on the San Sebastian River from 1944 to 1985. We just lost Dora F in Brunswick, GA due to Hurricane Helene damage and capsizing this month. She was the second oldest DESCO working shrimp boat on the East Coast. She was delivered to the new owners in 1955. Our hearts are saddened 💔
What is an open wheel?
Thank you very much for watching. An open wheel is just a regular propeller without a shroud or nozzle around it. CUOTO
Wood with fiddles is customary, isn't it?
You would think so? 😂 Thank you for watching. CUOTO
Top end rebuild liner kit pistons ring sets piston pins gaskets etc my buddy Anthony is a diesel mechanic I’ve helped him do top ends in frames Tim is that engine a Cat 3516
They sure are Eddie. Thank you for watching and supporting the channels. CUOTO
Engineers should either be promoted from the ranks or be forced to spend time in the job.
Thank you for watching William. I really don't think this is an engineering problem. The shipyard builds what the customer orders. CUOTO
But does it have that "new boat smell"? ;)
"Oh, it definitely has a smell". 😂 😂 😂 Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
You sound like me when I have to rent a car. Even if it is the same model it has differences.
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Crazy after hearing how much fuel you burn I don’t complain any more lil lots of laughts
Thank you for watching Ed. CUOTO
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To me it dosn't make any kind of sence to opt kort nozzles out, because they give that extra power you sometimes need, and you can usually do manuvering with less power, so you have reserve if you need it, and boy do we need it sometimes with a cruiseship on the hook, this year we have had record many cruiseships in Nuuk harbour, our cruiseship season is short about 2½ months, most of them can dock without help, they only need help with the lines, the pier at the cruise terminal is about 310 feet, witch is a little shorter than the 700-1000 foot long cruiseship.
Thank you for watching. I don't know that I can agree. We rarely use full power towing or pushing underway. But we are almost always hooked up when maneuvering a loaded barge. Open wheel boats usually walk and maneuver much better than nozzle boats. CUOTO
@@TimBatSea i forgot to mention we have a 185Kw bowthruster too, and we use a lot of power when handling cruiseships, when we maneuver with our barge we usually do it with main engine in idle, we only use more power if the barge is fully loaded.
@@karstenburanaphim5009 That makes sense. We don't have any thrusters so we have to do everything with the mains. CUOTO
There you go, when you retire you can come back as a design consultant. 😂😂 All you need is to be 25 miles away from home base and carry a brief case of 🎉😂🎉😂
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CUOTO!
Thank you for watching Lester. CUOTO
Sounds like the new boats are designed by people who are college grads first and mariners second vs the old boats designed by mariners first and college grads second.
Thank you for watching William. I'm not sure. 😂 But I like the way you think. CUOTO
Exactly right. Before designing a tugboat, shadow a skipper for at least six months.
@@stephensmith799 Thank you very much Stephen. CUOTO
*"The AI"* (Artificial Intelligence) is going to absolutely stun this particular industry in the changes it brings as as the name suggests "intelligent" meaning anticipatory so should you have "routine"(obviously nothing routine about tug boat WORK) but yes "routine" everyday work these machines once properly situated and effecting will in fact "learn" just as part of that routine which will seem pretty creepy actually as suddenly with no new inputs said machine will start doing something new. The most straightforward manifestation would be clearing the head house of near all electronics...maybe a screen and some type of steering matter. Might see a second control station located top deck appear as well to vastly improve visibility when maneuvering or even underway actually. I doubt there will be pure play battery electric tugs as imminent everywhere but clearly this will be en route as well as they have no dwell time once operational and will be crazy quiet as well. Instant torque possibly jet drives instead of screw type propeller expect a lot of changes now that the Tesla Semi Truck is in full runrate production and all that comes with that. Definitely not the end of the internal combustion engine but is the end of the internal combustion engine for Class A Truck Driving so might want to buy a Day Cab before all that starts to wind down #tesla_semi #optimus_robot crazy amazing changes for real #starship 😊😊
Thank you for watching George. I don't know that I share your opinion. I am sure automation is coming. But it'll have to get shipping done right before it comes to tugboats. I'll be long gone before that happens. 😂 CUOTO
Newer's not always better🥴✌
Agreed. Thank you for watching. CUOTO
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too many tug boats is what causes sea rise 😁
😂😂😂😂😂😂 10 points Garth! Thank you for watching. CUOTO
Newer is never better, you sure in the h*ll don't want to be on a 40-50 year old tug those are old school lol. Never really heard of outer rotating wheels? must be for prop wash its not scouring the bottom in shallow water. No nozzles either ya you'd notice the difference in snort. The local tow boat company they had a new boat built it has granite counter tops the crew didn't like them they were slippery and ya dishes broke. The tug has been sold off to another company.
Thank you for watching. The older tugs seemed to not rust like the newer ones do too. Must be different steel. CUOTO
@@TimBatSea Chinese made steel all the steel mills left North America 🤨
Tim, old buddy, I can't finish this one. Camera work like a drunken epileptic. Swinging wildly around, especially while showing the controls, out the window, terrible technique. You've done better than this vertigo inducing amateur night in Dixie.
Thank you for trying to watch? 😂 CUOTO
Holy crap man. Anything else you want to complain about? Adjust and move on.
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A few simple audio tricks would save this bit from being the genuine annoyance it truly is.
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