FR he was definitely made to be the good guy at first Elsa was supposed to be the villain originally, but they changed it midway through the movie because "let it go" was great For me, the worst scene with him is when he smiles under the boat. Nobody except the audience can see him. This would be a great place to put an evil grin, but no. They chose to make him genuinely smile. There is literally nothing bad that he does in the beginning of the movie. He even tells Elsa not to kill a guard (which would have helped him if she did, because he could declare that she's evil and put her in jail for a legitimate crime, because I don't think he knew that Anna was sick at that point) He's the reason that I have trouble having fun rewatching Frozen
Yes, exactly. Especially with his gentle smile to himself after the first meeting with Anna. I'd never heard anyone claim Hans was "obvious" before this video. Everyone I'd heard before were in agreement with the "out of character" viewpoint.
Hans turns out to be a villian did came out of nowhere. Seriously, in more than half of the movie we never saw him plotting to take over the throne or any sign that he never loves Anna. His actions earlier even contradicted with his intention as specifically when he order the guards NOT to kill Elsa when they came to her ice castle. To those who said Hans is the villain was obvious, pls go watch Film Theory, they explained it pretty well
Hans is written this way, because the story was changed during production. Elsa was supposed to be the bad guy. The twist with Hans was added later. I think Hans is a bad twist villain, because it came out of nowhere. It was played for a shock factor, then good storytelling. I think a good twist villain should suprise you by the first time watching it, but by the second time you see these obvious hints. With Hans you wonder why he is written so unnessecary sympathetic or you are "finding" clues for his villainy that are not there.
Yeah and it definitely shows. Hans doesn't do anything evil prior to the twist. He wanted to marry Anna so he could secure himself a position of power. Okay. At best it makes him shallow and ambitious, like most aristocrats in the 17th century. He takes charge as regent and hands out blankets and food to the starving people. Okay. He did it to serve his own interests, but at least someone is doing something productive. In the ice palace, he saves Elsa's life. Okay. He may have done because he doesn't think killing her will end the winter but that doesn't change the fact that she's alive BECAUSE OF HIM. He then imprisons Elsa in a cell because she is unstable and dangerous, even if she doesn't intend to be. Okay. Reasonable. He peacefully asks her to end the winter and she bemoans that she can't and asks to run away. Okay. Hans is running out of options, the queen refuses to be of any help, and the people are going to start starving and dying. Seriously, who is the villain here? Then the twist happens and now Hans is another needlessly cruel, generic villain who delivers a cringe-inducing monologue to a dying girl about how he's going to steal the throne and kill her sister blah blah blah. Ah yes, a "realistic" and "subversive" villain who possesses absolutely zero nuance whatsoever.
I'm still in the camp that the Hans twist was out of the blue, mostly because he had a genuine smile of enamourment after meeting her rather than something smaller so while I would have felt that him not being endgame was expected and he did seem more morally grey, him being a full-on villain in the last act did feel inconsistant.
Yeah, that look on his face at the end of his first scene made his sudden shift to "It's All About Me" mentality seem too jarring to really believe. And the potential argument being the possible foreshadowing the twist could ever have is how the characters responds to Anna getting engaged to Hans, a guy she just met in one day. But even then, that was just Elsa & Kristoff speaking out common sense than hinting anything of what Hans was up to. That said, I still enjoy the film, tho.
Morally gray Hans would have been awesome. Instead of wanting to kill Elsa for power, he could have tried to kill her because he wanted to save Arendale and Anna. But no, disney really wanted to go hard for some cheap twist that makes less sense the more you rewatch it.
the problem is not that he is predictable is the complete opposite, it is obvious that the decision to make him the villain was made at the last minute his actions do not make sense with his "intentions"
To have a successful twist, you need to be able to find the subtle clues leading to it. Hans doesn't do that. Frozen was only enjoyable the first viewing for me because of Hans. Knowing Hans was the bad guy made his actions/dialogue confusing and nonsensical to me. He felt like two different characters.
I think a twist villain should have 3 main qualities: 1. Presence: This is something that all villains need but is something twist villains often struggle with. Most twist villains feel weak because they were not powerful enough to be obviously evil and have to operate in the shadow. When they are revealed to be the villain the film is almost over, leaving no time to establish their presence and thus feel incredibly underpowered in the final confrontation. 2. Rewatch value: A twist villain should make viewers want to watch the same movie again. The person watching the movie again should now see the signs and draw satisfaction from the clever lines of dialogue. 3. Reward: Set up enough clues for the nature of your twist villain to give the members of the audience who pay close enough attention the feeling of triumph of being right all along. Based on these criteria Prince Hans is a bad twist villain. He is decently threatening but not even professional writers and directors predict him as a twist villain and there are no clues to reward a second viewing either. Saying that Hans is bad because he was obvious is straight up wrong, although I haven't seen anyone who has seen that film make that argument anyway.
Man, Frozen is so nostalgic. There was such a cosiness and comfort to that film experience. The scenes between Hans and Anna, and all scenes in the palace really, were magical before the twist. I miss the days I watched that film as a kid.
When i rewatch the movie, I just skip the scene with Hans' twist because his monologue is so cringe-inducing and he literally uses "no you" as a comeback. He is arguably the worst part of the film for me.
Honestly it would have been 10 times better if Hans did kiss Anna, and it didn't work anyways because it isn't true love (because they literally just met). It could still serve the purpose of rejecting the ideas of old Disney movies about love at first sight, while still making more sense. Plus, it would make Anna realize that maybe Elsa knew more about love than she gave her credit for, since she was the one who told her that you can't love someone you just met. And they could have had Weaselton trying to kill Elsa, and Anna sacrificing herself for her and all, so... it really baffles me that they didn't go for this way more logical option.
The main issue is that there were NO hints of him being evil. Twists work when the reaction is "I should have known!" rather than "wait, what?" It has to make sense in hindsight, but Hans does NOT. There is zero hints at him being evil, in fact, it doesn't even make sense because if he wanted Elsa dead, why would he save Elsa in the ice castle? In terms of writing, he's a failure of a twist villain. I think people are just realizing with time that "hey... this twist kinda sucked and came out of nowhere."
It was neither telegraphed nor obvious. In fact, Hans acts like he's lovestruck even when noone watches him - like in the beginning after he fell in the water and looks at Anna leaving. So, my complaint is more that they are so desperate to hide the twist that they are lying to the audience to achieve it - which is bad style in my book.
Tbf i wouldnt say that Prince Hans is obvious. I think peoples big complaints about it is a lot of his actions not making sense in retrospect. A good twist will have actions making sense in retrospect. Think about how turbo convinced ralph to break penelope's cart. That seemed like a good deed at the time, but later it still makes sense in regards to the twist. Hans does a lot of stuff that doesnt make sense regarding the twist. Like, why did he save Elsa, when he really wants to kill her. Theres a lot of stuff that just doesnt make much sense in retrospect, which i think a lot of people just didnt like. Also, this is just my personal opinion, but i just cant take the dude seriously as a villain. His design just doesnt work as a villain, imo.
I mean didn’t he have the princes guard with him? killing your future wife’s sister would make it impossible to get upon the throne cuz he would be hated! When an opportunity arose to get everything without prerequisites and getting the throne quicker then expected? He took it. He was an arse but a smart one at that.
@@siyaamhussain6180 Yeah he needed to secure his relationship with Anna before ending Elsa. If he didn't protect Elsa at that moment then Anna becomes queen, yes, but with her new responsibilities it would be very possible that they would postpone the wedding or cancel it.
Ultimately, writing plot twists comes down to managing your audiences expectations. To this end, there are 2 ways a plot twist can fail and they both are a result in failing to manage the expectations. First, the twist could be too predictable (which happens when you use the same twist multiple times, the shock factor wears off), second, the twist could be insufficiently foreshadowed and seemingly comes out of nowhere. The latter, in my opinion, is why Hans fails, not as a villain, but as a twist. Where's the foreshadowing? As much as you could say the other characters, primarily Elsa and Kristoff, are criticising Anna for her decision, that's nothing we haven't seen before (The Little Mermaid, for example).
For me personally Hans' villain twist came out of no where. He has a genuine smile towards Anna at the beginning of the movie absolutely no one was looking and there was no need to keep up appearances, he needs Elsa to die to get her kingdom but he saves her? On top of all that theres no narrative foreshadowing for the twist at all. The writers either decided to make him the villain last minute and didnt want to go back to re write anything or they wanted artificially make the twist more shocking by making Hans act out of character and just makes the reveal feel cheap and unearned. Also I dont know how exactly to say this but I wish Smarty Pants would stop using rotten tomatoes or imdb scores as the definitive, object testament to a movies and if you hear alot of negative buzz on social media all those critiques are "wrong" or "just hating" or whatever. Thats not how those platforms work or how they were intended to be used. No ones wrong here just state your opinion, why you disagree with others opinions and move on. Constantly using your positive reviews to say " The critics were wrong" is just corny
There was a hint that Hans is not that good. But it was just one and basically at the end of story also not very noticible. When he seemingly saves Elsa from being shot he first looks at the goon who is about to shoot then he quickly looks up to the chandelier and then aims guys weapon on that chandelier while still looking at it I might add. So he was planning to kill Elsa with that chandelier and making it look like he was trying to save her.
Hmm, never actually thought about that one. Hans would've looked less bad or not bad at all by the townsfolks' perception if it really was just an accident.
that part was so silly. if he wanted her dead, he could've just stood back and watched as the goon fires the shot and kills Elsa. He literally had only SECONDS to act and plenty of witnesses could attest to this, so nobody would've blamed him if that happened. Anyway, why would they blame Hans? From the POV of a Arendale citizen, the queen abandoned them and froze their kingdom and left them to starve and freeze. Also, before Hans storms the palace, he was already a hero: he was placed in charge as regent and used that power to hand out blankets/food and arranged a search party to look for Anna.
i dont really think hans was a bad character i think he was a bad twist, with no clues to being a villain due to a change in Elsa character and disney writting itself to a corner if hans would had kiss anna it wouldnt had work because they wanted elsa and anna to have a sisterly love thats why olaf sacrificing for anna didnt help, hans was turned into a villain to have someone attacking elsa so anna could sacrifice herself
The problem was that it came out of nowhere so it made no sense. A better Hans villain twist could've been that he tried to save ana with a true love's kiss, it wouldn't work, Ana would notice that she doesn't love him and tell him. After that he would argue with her because he think he is entitled to have ana because of all he did for her and because he is obsessed with her after that "love is an open door" song. Then after that, lock her in the room and tell her something like "It's that curse that your sister put on you that is making you think you don't love me, that's it! Maybe there is another way to break it. I know how to fix this, how to fix us." He then goes to elsa and tell her that she is killing her sister and that because of that he needs to kill her and still have that sister saves sister moment anyway. He would be more like an insane kind of villain but it would make a bit more sense with how he was acting in the movie towards her and with that message of "you can't just marry someone you just met".
I think its also the fact that compared to someone like Turbo (one of the most, if not the most loved twist-villian) he doesnt seem like an actually threat. They should have planned him to be a villain from the start and make him seem threatening, I mean yeah he was so willing to kill both Anna and Elsa but they should of maybe added a scene where he tried to sway the villagers against Elsa or something, maybe did a bit more when he lied about Elsa killing Anna. Like Turbo not only fooled everybody, but he also actually took over a kingdom and ruled it for who knows how long! He was a threat even before his true self was shown.
I still remember my first time watching Frozen and I was shocked when Hans turned out to be a villain. Maybe I was too dumb to see it coming since I was 12 when this movie came out. I thought his motivation made sense, his character arc was all on point, and Disney didn't make it super obvious on the first watch that he would be the bad guy in the end. But after you watch it over hundreds of times, you can spot little details in 'Love Is An Open Door' that he would betray Anna later and be the villain. I think Hans is still one of the best villains in terms of character even if most people think he's not.
We need to remember the actual obvious fact about these Disney villain twist tropes being that they're aimed at a young children audience: to young kids, the Hans twist was not coming or predictable, and certainly not "obvious", whatsoever, particularly to myself when I was a young boy. The Humpty Dumpty twist in Puss & Boots hit me hard as a kid - I was not expecting it in the slightest and I felt so betrayed and heartbroken about it. If a film achieves this impact on their target audience, then the story technique - in this case, a trope aimed at a children's audience - works and has achieved its goal, no? I assumed this was the truly obvious point. I think it is clear that people calling the Hans twist "obvious" are stating as such through a teenage or adult lens when watching Frozen.
Even as an adult when I rewatch the film for myself I'm always blindsided by Hans becoming the villain of the story. For me it's not foreshadowed at all, even though I know the twist is coming. Edit:Grammar mistake
I would argue that with Humpty Dumpty, his betrayal and other twist do make more sense than Han’s. When he and Puss meet up again after all those years, Puss’s first reaction is to not trust Humpty, which tells the audience that character is a bit shifty. Then the flashback reinforced that idea as it showed that Humpty did have a complicated past, though our sympathies are still a bit short since he is the reason Puss is on the run. So already we have a character that could end up being an ally or an enemy. When Humpty betrays Puss after the heist, the audience is shocked because it seemed like the two were reconciling but it didn’t come out of nowhere. The final twist with Humpty saving the town with Puss is another twist that also makes sense because the story flowed based on who the characters were and what they would reasonably do. The Han’s twist is more like if Donkey would betray Shrek to Lord Farquad or the Fairy Godmother instead of staying beside his best friend. One could go back to find ‘hints’ if one wanted to, but it would be a total whiplash to the audience and would not make any sense.
He and Magnifico are both written similarly, and both are unnecessary villains, since the Duke could've taken Hans' role and Magnifico was sympathetic (and had a point).
Its amazing, ten years later and Disney pulls the same stunt they used on Hans on Magnifico and to the surprise of no one, everybody hated it. Hans and Magnifico could've been complicated, sympathetic, morally ambiguous characters but writing those type of characters convincingly isn't easy and its just soooo much easier to flip the switch and make them evil last minute.
@@Nopeasaurus Well, they do have the same writer--but with Magnifico, it isn't Jennifer Lee's fault; it was confirmed that Magnifico was originally a good king while Amaya was the sole villain (guessing it was before the evil couple idea), so it's likely that villain Magnifico was an exec idea, explaining his final depiction having sympathetic elements.
It is clear that people calling the Hans twist "obvious" are stating as such through a teenage or adult lens when watching Frozen, without acknowledging the fact that this twist wasn't intended to have an impact on them, but the children target audience (and if you watch this film with children, you will notice that the child did not see this twist as "obvious.")
I watched Frozen when I was 13 and I did expect Hans to be secretly evil. Mainly because I knew from marketing that Kristoff was the love interest, so Hans felt like a weird loose end lol.
I feel like the internet making this twist villain toxicity was not good for fans of this film. After watching this video, I no longer have to feel bad for feeling that moment of betrayal when I first saw frozen seeing hans reveal himself.
Didn't any one pick up the part in the song where him and Anna didn't say the same line when they should have one said sandwiches and the other said sentences back when i watch it it made Hans seem suspicious to me since most duets are perfectly synchronized take sleeping bueaty once upon a dream for example so it was foreshadowed it was just very settle Foreshadowing and after we watching it before frozen 2 I noticed Han constantly looking at anna as if he was trying to read her facial cues which is something that a manipulator does they study the slight facial cue to figure out what to say to get what they want i believe he was a great villain for the time
lets also not forget that in the beginning, they intended on making an evil ice queen story and not a sisterly misunderstanding. they mightve intended that hans be the actual love interest until they changed their plans about him. just a theory of mine for that though. because he did look at anna lovingly after their first encounter
I mean, I first saw the movie in theaters with no knowledge of it other than "Let it go" being more popular than breathing. And I didn't see that twist coming at all. I expected them to instead try to push, "Oh the kiss didn't work because Anna doesn't actually love Hans anymore but loves Kristoff". I think people are looking back on this the same way we look back on Darth Vader being Anakin/Luke's father. Yeah we know that NOW but it was a pretty big twist back when it first happened.
I totally agree with you! Hans was an amazing twist villain and he was the first one Disney had done so it hit even harder when he was revealed to be the villain of the story. The only people who could predict on the first watch that Hans would be the villain are people who had already seen other Disney movies with the same trope.
@@usernotfound_____yet You're right, my mistake. Hans was the Disney twist villain to popularize the trope, but King Candy was the first Disney twist villain and he was way better written than Hans, especially since the writing for Frozen as a whole wasn't the best given that the storyline was drastically rewritten so many times. I mainly love Hans as a twist villain because the idea of a handsome, seemingly kind prince secretly being the villain is very intriguing to me, but I will admit that it definitely could have been executed better.
My view on this was but why? Let the kids have their fairytales. Let the heroes be the heroes, let the villains be the villains. It’s fine. They’ll grow up, they’ll meet a Hans at some point anyway, and find out the truth about Santa too. But let them have their fairytales.
Back in 2014, my coworker told me about watching Frozen with her friend, and her friend had never seen the movie before. While watching “Love Is An Open Door”, the friend said “He’s totally going to be the villain, isn’t he?” My coworker was shocked and asked why she thought that. The friend’s response “There was no way he was going to say “sandwiches”. He’s lying. He’s deceiving her. I don’t know why, but I don’t like it.” I was flabbergasted. I was shocked by the twist on my first viewing. But he still felt like a flat character. He didn’t get enough screen time as the real focus of the film was the sisters. And given that the original concept was for Elsa to be the antagonist (prior to corporate meddling), I think it was very unlikely that he was going to become a fully fleshed out villain. That being said, I still found the film enjoyable. And that’s ultimately what matters in determining any piece of media’s success; how does it make the audience feel? Frozen isn’t the greatest film objectively. But there’s a reason why so many people love it and why it’s one of the most successful films in the studio’s back log.
Hans is a horrible twist Villain BECAUSE he's NOT obvious. He smiles he's sweet and I was cheering on for him and Anna. The Duke of weasleton should've been the Villain.
I remember going to see it in theaters when I was a kid(7) I did not see the twist coming whatsoever. Tbh even as a kid I didn’t understand why he was the villain out of nowhere because he had done so much that showed no villain traits
As Anna got closer to Kristof I wondered where does that leave Hans in all this. I though they'd do some love triangle and whoever she didn't pick be a future villian. But the reveal was a different approach ya know?
I agree with this video I feel like people are just saying it’s obvious because they already watched it or wasn’t familiar with Disney movies and thought him not getting enough screen time was suspicious I’ll it was not obvious at all besides the kissing scene and the little comments about him having a lot of brothers you would have never guessed he was the bad guy at the time (I don’t think it was forced not having evidence isn’t a bad thing it’s a lots of real people who act nice but randomly snaps and acts like a complete different person and it was no red flags )
100% agree! I remember seeing this movie when it came out and thinking that maybe Hans would be the perfect prince for Anna until the end where he can't accept Elsa's powers. Anna would choose to stand with her sister over her love interest and that would be the 'twist'. Kind of a statement on why you shouldn't rush a relationship and why getting to know someone first is important. The twist that he was just an outright bad guy did genuinely surprise me at the time.
As much as I find the first Frozen pretty meh, but I agree that Hans being a Twist Villain was pretty good. My mom and I were pretty surprised that plot twist when we first saw that movie in theaters.
Hm, fair and valid points and opinions, i get where you’re coming from. However, I am more of the consensus that Hans’ plan didn’t really make logical sense and that he’s a Twist Villain just for the sake of a Twist Villain.
I remember when the movie came out everyone was so shocked when Hans turned out to be evil. No one expected it and it was a huge plot twist at the time. Everyone was gobsmacked and I loved it. This movie was all about sisterly love which also wasn't really portrayed that much prior to this film. And the fact that an act of true love could be Anna saving her sister was also a huge plot twist. Since Anna was with Krsitoff for the second half of the movie I think it was assumed that he would have something to do with it. But the fact that it was Anna who took the action, which saved herself out of the love she had for her sister was masterfully done and completely out of the box thinking for the time.
I liked the twist (or the idea of it anyway) because it makes the movie's themes more nuanced. At first, it seems like the message is going to be "don't be afraid of your emotions" but Ana's story makes the case that being led by your feelings is dangerous too. Disney movies historically have elevated emotion over reason, so that's refreshing. But I sadly have to agree with another UA-camr, Cellspex, that Ana's fake chemistry with Hans is better than her real chemistry with Kristoff.
What should have happened Option one: Anna wants a prince she falls in love with a raindeer loving adventure guy Elsa is the adventure ice queen she falls in love with a prince The weasel ton guy tries to take over ardendell because he does not trust Elsa cause her ice power or Anna because of her foolishness duke tried to take over Elsa shoots ice duke blocks it with a sheld it hits Anna she freezes Elsa is destracted duke tries to kill her hans pushes him out of the way they fight Elsa hugs Anna healing her Elsa shoots the duke freezing him kristoff kisses Anna hans kisses Elsa Anna Elsa fixes winter they leave the statue in an ally they forgot about it the statue starts to melt because of the heat setting up the sequel He tries to take them over Elsa shoots ice duke blocks it with a s
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Prince Li Shang, Princess Fa Mulan, Prince Naveen, Princess Tiana, Prince Flynn Rider, Princess Rapunzel, Varian, Cassandra, Maui, Queen Moana Waialiki, Hiccup Haddock, Princess Merida, Kristoff Bjorgman, Queen Anna, Jack Frost, Princess Elsa, Jin, Yi, Connor, Ruby Gillman, Starboy, Princess Asha, Mateo, Queen Elena, Prince Desmond, Princess Amber, Prince James, Princess Isabel, Prince Hugo, Princess Sofia, The Futuristic Four, Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Namaari, The Other Six Princesses of The Kingdom of Atlantica and Melody, but actually, Melody is The First and Only that she is not a True Official Disney Princess, because Melody made her debut in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea and it is also because she is The First and Only Daughter of an Official Disney Princess, but Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Dulcinea, The Three Diablos, Goldilocks, The Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, The Children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, The Children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and The Others also need Melody's help to protect and save all The Multiverse, especially Their Kingdom of Far Far Away away from Rumpelstiltskin, Death, all The Official Villains of Disney and all The Official Villains of DreamWorks, because Melody is The Daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, but also The Death of Queen Lillian, because since her husband named King Harold passed away in the movie of Shrek 3, she has felt heartbroken and that caused her own death in her Kingdom of Far Far Away, and all The Inhabitants of The Kingdom of Far Far Away are saddened by The Death of Queen Lillian, because now she is with her husband named King Harold in heaven, and now they have lost their queen, that means now The Kingdom of Far Far Away needs a new queen and King Artie said that his love interest, 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Waialiki gets too close to Maui when it comes to true love, she gets very nervous with him, while which in the case of Princess Merida is also the same, because whenever Princess Merida gets too close to Hiccup Haddock when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous with him, in the case of Princess Tiffany it is also the same, because whenever Princess Tiffany gets too close to Prince Lancelot when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, and in the case of Princess Guinevere too, because every time Princess Guinevere gets too close to King Artie when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, but luckily for them, Princess Fiona will help Queen Moana Waialiki to win The Heart of Maui, also Princess Merida to win The Heart of Hiccup Haddock, also Princess Tiffany to win The Heart of Prince Lancelot and also Princess Guinevere to win The Heart of King Artie, and I also want that Jack Frost will be Princess Elsa's love interest and boyfriend and Varian will be Cassandra's love interest and boyfriend, because Jack Frost leaves fall in love with Princess Elsa, but he doesn't know how to tell her his feelings and how to win her heart, because every time Jack Frost gets too close to Princess Elsa when it comes to true love, he gets very nervous with her, because Varian leaves fall in love with Cassandra, but he doesn't know how to tell her his feelings and how to win her heart, because every time Varian gets too close to Cassandra when it comes to true love, he gets very nervous with her, but fortunately for they, Shrek will help Jack Frost to win The Heart of Princess Elsa and also Varian to win The Heart of Cassandra, except Goldilocks, Namaari, Princess Raya and Princess Mirabel Madrigal, because now they will be The Only Official Disney Princesses who do not need to have love interests and who can remain single forever, and also the same for Melody, The Daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, because like her new adoptive aunts Goldilocks, Namaari, Princess Raya and Princess Mirabel Madrigal, she doesn't need a love interest either, but also The Rivalry of King Artie and Queen Anna because they both want to compete in a challenge to see who is The Best Ruler of a Kingdom, because both want to do what is best for Their Own Kingdom, because King Artie wants to do the best for his Kingdom of Far Far Away because now he is The New King of Far Far Away and Queen Anna wants to do the best for her Kingdom of Arendelle because now she is The New Queen of Arendelle, but at the end, King Artie and Queen Anna become best friends in the world, because at the end, they both learned from their mistakes that they have made since their challenge to compete to see who is the best ruler of a Kingdom, and that at the end, King Artie and Princess Guinevere see their first true love kiss and that they become a romantic couple, just like Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany, and also that at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, Shrek becomes The New Leader of The Official Disney Princes and Maui, Hiccup Haddock, Kristoff Bjorgman, Jack Frost, Varian, Jin, Connor, The Baker, Starboy, Mateo, Prince Desmond, Prince James, Prince Hugo, Prince Lancelot and King Artie become The New Official Members of The Official Disney Princes, while Princess Fiona becomes The New Leader of The Official Disney Princesses and Queen Anna, Princess Elsa, Cassandra, Yi, Ruby Gillman, Anastasia Tremaine, Princess Asha, Queen Elena, Princess Amber, Princess Isabel, Princess Sofia, Goldilocks, Namaari, The Other Six Princesses of The Kingdom of Atlantica, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Princess Tiffany and Princess Guinevere become The New Official Members of The Official Disney Princesses and that one day, Princess Tiffany will be The Wife of Prince Lancelot and that they have a family in the future, and that also Princess Guinevere is The Wife of King Artie, that they also have a family and that she becomes The New Queen of Far Far Away in The Future.
My problem with Hans was that his villainy seemed like a sloppy afterthought...like they forgot that the movie needed a villain, so they just appointed him as the bad guy. His villainy was just illogical! He already had Anna in the bag. His only real obstacle to the throne was Elsa. He could have stayed with Anna and figured out a way to take Elsa out. There was NO POINT in him rejecting Anna as she was a Princess of Erandor (sp). And like you said, he DID save Elsa, which ALSO MADE NO SENSE!! He could have let the guards kill her on their own, but for whatever reason, he called them off, only to attempt to end her by his own hands at the end of the movie!! It was just comically absurd! Ugh!!! Like I said, I think they forgot that they needed a villain and they also needed a way for Anna to end up with Kristoff. Honestly, they could have just gone the route that Dreamworks did with their movie, Sinbad. I don't remember the names of the characters, but the lady in the movie was engaged to the gentleman that was Sinbad's best friend from his childhood. Sinbad and the lady go on a trip to save the gentleman from execution and fall in love along the way. In order for the lady and Sinbad to be together, the gentleman just proved he was one of the best characters in the movie and told her that he just wanted her to be happy and let her go. Hans could have been THAT hero, but instead he became the nonsensical villain!! SMH.
I think it's ""obvious"" because I knew people who see it when it cames out, before even the new movies. There is two major clues : 1) Esla warning about don't trust people you just met too early 2) Anna love story with Kristoff. It's actually when I heard people heard "the other prince is the vilain". Because yes, if Kristoff is ultimately the lover for Anna, whar would happen with Hans. a) He would say : "I love you, so I want you to live a life of hapiness" , while being sad in the inside b) Also falling in love with an another woman. I remember that reviwers were even disappointed by the twist, because it was OBVIOUS Hans would be with Elsa. Even accusinf to add a twist ending for the sake of it. Also, review who came out just after tge films in 2013 c) He's the vilain. I suppose maybe some of these people may have thought he would become jealous of Kristoff and TURN into a vilain. Like a Gaston, but actually smart and nice in the beginning. Or simply because most Disney have antagonists, and at this moment of the movie, we only have arguably Elsa as an unwilling antagonist (but I see her more like a secondary protagonist) and the Duke of Weselton as a clear secondary antagonist, which despite his stubbornness, is against Elsa for the sake of protecting the population in his own mind. So the most probable guy for True Evil could only filled by Hans. But yeah, like I said there are clues. Not giveaway. So it's not that it is obvious. So now I just write this, yeah, Hans is a pretty good twist vilain, for there are clues, not like other twist who comes from nowhere
I remember it coming out, it was a big twist. Even the marketing, you'd go through the cinema and there was posters like he was the new Prince, or at least a brother figure. Looking back though I wish they'd made subtle hints to his true nature, so you can watch again and have that "oh" moment. He's played too straight until the twist there's no rewatchability in the story. Luckily the songs make up for it lol
I'm still in the camp the trolls did something to make Hans sudden change. Nothing about the twist was predictable as he did seem genuine. The trolls literally sang about if they got rid of Hans, Anna could marry Kirstof like they want. They even have the magic to do it as they altered Anna's memeoy and during the explanation of Elsa's magic they scare her despite just saying fear would make it worse. That would explain Han's sudden heel turn as it happens right after Anna and Kirstof came back to the kingdom. As he could have let the guard kill Elsa when the guard had the shot but didn't. If we go he was a villain the whole time with his goal was to be king then it wouldn't make sense for him to kill Anna nor Elsa. Elsa left so she wasn't in charge, Anna put Hans in charge, so if Hans just kept the act he would have been king. He kisses Anna and kiss failed, its not his fault it failed and he wouldn't been seen by the public as evil. Heck, Anna could go to Elsa and the pair could mend their relationship which did undo the curse and Anna and Hans could marry. While showing Hans alone plotting with no one around to sell the wolf in sheep's clothing point to the audience similar to how they did in the Little Marmaid with Vannassa who was actually Urslaa. Even have it close with Elsa not finding out until it was almost too late and she has to save Anna. As Hans and Anna are in a relationship to get to know each other to point of marrying. It's almost too late as Anna would technically be queen since Elsa leaving was her giving up the throne. With Hans marrying Anna, he gets to be king, and could have plan to kill Anna right after they marry. The Evil Queen style with a poison drink during the party. Elsa would have to work to show Hans true colors before the kiss.
I feel like he definitely wasn't obvious, but that in itself is the issue. He kind of felt shoe-horned in in a way, like that one scene where he smiles up at her from under the boat gave ppl the impression that he was genuine from the get-go, and then was suddenly made into a villain because plot. The only set up was him being the youngest of a lot of brothers, without much else, so I think the general vibe is that just because you don't expect someone to be the villain doesn't inherently make them a good twist. A good twist is like King Candy, where the twist wasn't even that he was a villain but from where he was from. Also, I think in comparison to Scar, the movie wasn't afraid to let the audience in on his villainy, but Hans was just kind of a guy and then made into somehow crazy evil at the very end, the whiplash may be what makes people feel he's too 2D
the only reason i thought hans was going to be the villain was just "ive seen enough stories. it's gotta be him" early into "love is an open door" and kristoff being anna's travel partner instead of hans added fuel to that. i didnt see promotional material or the snow queen, it was just experience with twist villains. it doesnt help that i played pokemon x and y or pokemon mystery dungeon explorers before watching
I think it would have been better if Hans' villainous breakdown was triggered because the true love kiss didn't work. Like, he knows he fills the prince charming role and thinks he deserves to marry Ana, but because he doesn't truly love her the kiss doesn't work. So he goes out to kill Elsa and take over by force.
Bruh i was a preteen when this came out 👵even i didn't saw it comming that he would have been a villain i thought he and Anna both realized they actually didn't love eachother and just had butterflies
I dont think I have ever seen anyone's criticism of Hans be "oh, well he was just too obviously a villain so it was boring", they just dont feel satisfied with the way he is in the story.
I think people are looking at this with too much retrospective. Back in 2013, this twist was FIRE, me and every other little girl in the theater felt cheated.
My opinion is that he was a good twist villain because at first i thought it was gonna be the love at first sight thing and then Kristoff showed up and i thought she was gonna choose Kristoff over Hans but to show that his motives were very different was a good twist especially because it was out if no where and for me thats how twists work, they shouldn't be predictable and his motives make sense, he wants to be King but because he has a crap load of brothers he can't inherit the throne therefore he was gonna marry into the throne somewhere else, he even said he originally was gonna try and marry Elsa but quickly saw that wouldn't go for it and decided Anna was easier prey
Hans may not be the most deep or complex villain but he is still better than the horrible villains we get now and I would do anything to get back villains like him
If hans were not meant to be the twist villain, they could use the duke of weaseltown to be the clear villain. And let hans kiss anna but it didn't work bc the kiss isn't truelove or maybe proves that sometimes a true love kiss isn't the solution. And then let anna realize that she's in love with kristoff and vice versa. But then she sees the duke trying to kill elsa and then she rushes to protect her sister like how the story went.
Even if his motifs are solid... For me his villainy came out of nowhere! I prefer the twist villain formula with some foreshadowing cause a second watch can make it much more enjoyable, as you can try to pick up certain moments you didn't notice before. If you talk about twist... I prefer Atlantis cause it's even more than just one but all.
At this point I think people just wanna have a problem with this guy. If he is not too predictable, then he is not forshadowed enough and it's a last minute add to the plot. Like, he servers his purpose, he works as a bad guy, he does serve the plot as the creators intended, he is an interesting character, he just isn't popular or "iconic" and that shouldn't be that big of a deal. The intention of the final product is to tell a story about sisterly love, not about manipulative romantic relationships. He is not the main guy and that's ok. He is a plot device, just like all the other villains, but in this case the actual protagonists happen to be interesting enough to not be overshadowed by their villain.
I think a better villain for the first Frozen movie would've been the Duke. We legit see him be an antagonist rather then Hans. He had more foreshadowing than Hans. The problem with Hans is it is out of nowhere. He and Anna hut it off in the movie and prior to his twist, he has been shown to be a good guy. Unlike the Duke he has no slip ups in his nice persona cluing us into the fact that he might be a bad gut, or the antagonist of the film. Plus when he is revealed(out of nowhere) in that iconic scene we have like less than 20 minutes left of the film. Making his screen presence as a villain underwhelming. John Silver, Rorck(from Atlantis. Sorry if I spelled in his name incorrectly), and King Candy are all way better Disney Twist Villains. They have screen presence, we see hints and clues that there might be something more nearfarious going on with them, and best of all the reveal doesn't come out of nowhere. You believe the twist and the movies that they star in are better on rewatch because we can follow the twist. Everytime I rewatch Frozen the Hans twist always comes out of nowhere, no matter how hard I look for hints and clues to point to the twist. It doesn't feel gratifying to watch him assume the villain role unlike the three I mentioned. Because it comes out of nowhere.
I'll be honest I've never seen the Hans twist be described as "obvious". I'm not super into disney discourse stuff but the main complaint I've seen is that it comes out of nowhere and doesn't make a lot of sense for his character.
Im not going to lie, I was pissed when I originally watched the movie because I literally saw no signs. No ticks. Nothing to suggest he was a bad guy. To me it was annoying copout and I would have liked at least ONE semi-obvious sign! A smirk when her backs turned! Hesitation to save Elsa! Instead it felt like he did all the right things and in the end just changed... because? Like he wasnt set up to take over the kingdom? He wasnt in such a high position with the people of the city to incite a revolution? So was his whole plan to just wait? He couldnt have seen the whole freezing heart thing coming. I was just confused and honestly angry that the plot didnt connect at all. Looking back i still dont see signs.
Hans would have worked as a twist villain if his scene where he meets Anna ended after he fell in the water, before he popped back up with that dopey smile.
It's been confirmed there were several rewrites up until the end of development, he wasn't even supposed to be a twist villain. I don't mind, but they needed some sort of foreshadowing, even if not obvious. It came out of nowhere because it was never even hinted at, and that's bad writing.
I think the only thing that can somewhat hint at Han’s being shady is the fact that he claimed one of own brothers tried pretending he didn’t exist for the past 4 years. That’s sounds more like disownment rather than your average sibling teasing. Kinda makes one wonder what Han’s did because you gotta be pretty shitty brother if your own sibling would rather pretend you don’t exist.
Hans in once upon a time is BEST VILLAIN!😀 He live action one is BEST 😃😃😃 In animation one so NOT!!! BOTH Robin Hood & Beauty and the Beast! Robin said: Hey! Mary, we we're kids. Let's get married 😮 and also Belle said: He Handsome alright, rude and Continued 😮 disney! DID BEFORE THEY'RE DID IT!!! Animation Hans beat up more 12 brothers, and he's dad too.....🤕🤕🤕
You forgot one element “ remembrance”. The more classical villains like maleficent, Jafar, evil queen, scar and Carella are all rememberable characters because you know what they want. Heck even so more modern villains like Oogie boogie, mother Gothel, Mr. Waternoose, and syndrome are all rememberable villains too. Prince Hans on the other hand is not that rememberable and Plus Gustan is it better subverted Prince Charming
he was meh. like he felt bland in both roles. this could have been fixed with a little animation however. his expressions before the switch was pretty much plain cookie prince whom is wholesome. like simple tweaks to his physical behavior to show ever so slightly he is struggling to play a role would have made him better. maybe a slight smile when he talks to elsa or have his eyes dulled when he is dealing with those he plots to kill. simple things, just small, and it wouldn't be so jarring. if they are gonna have him go full evil, at least let him look like he is enjoying himself.
Hans was not obvious, but it was a poor writing choice and didn't make sense as soon as you thought even a little bit about it after you got out of the theater seeing Frozen.
Every Disney villain from the 1930s to the early 2000s yes they were all obvious villains. But Hans was obvious bull sh##t! I don't even like frozen that much. Even I'll say he's the reason Disney keeps recycling the twist villain throp so much.
It's weird because for me your point in this video is not relevant.. 😅 For me the twist just came of nowhere. And his action before the twist didn't make sense.. Why he did not killed Elsa in the Ice Castle, ect ect..
My brother in Christ, YOU are the revisionist! He was neither well written OR obvious as a villain! Unless they secretly remade it and only gave you and your subscribers copies of the remake he was a trash villain who came out of nowhere. That being said I root for him when ever my brother puts on Frozen.
YOUR WRONG and I can explain exactly why! I mean the prince here wanted to marry into the royal family in less than 1 day more like 12 hrs or less! and that right there is a big red flag right off the bat! I mean come on!, there’s no longer development between the prince and princess and don't act like the one song was the end all be all to explain anything! and also I don't know even his body language was off and not natural at all!; like for example prince Eric even though he very much wanted to marry Ariel as soon as he could find her, his body language was more natural and not tense or rushed or anything!, he didn’t sit quite or idling in the background at all!, unlike Hans!
He wasn't obvious in the slightest. If anything it came out of nowhere
FR he was definitely made to be the good guy at first
Elsa was supposed to be the villain originally, but they changed it midway through the movie because "let it go" was great
For me, the worst scene with him is when he smiles under the boat. Nobody except the audience can see him. This would be a great place to put an evil grin, but no. They chose to make him genuinely smile. There is literally nothing bad that he does in the beginning of the movie. He even tells Elsa not to kill a guard (which would have helped him if she did, because he could declare that she's evil and put her in jail for a legitimate crime, because I don't think he knew that Anna was sick at that point)
He's the reason that I have trouble having fun rewatching Frozen
Fr tho! I thought that Anna was just going to choose christoff over him and not that he would be a villain
Yes, exactly. Especially with his gentle smile to himself after the first meeting with Anna.
I'd never heard anyone claim Hans was "obvious" before this video. Everyone I'd heard before were in agreement with the "out of character" viewpoint.
Hans turns out to be a villian did came out of nowhere. Seriously, in more than half of the movie we never saw him plotting to take over the throne or any sign that he never loves Anna. His actions earlier even contradicted with his intention as specifically when he order the guards NOT to kill Elsa when they came to her ice castle.
To those who said Hans is the villain was obvious, pls go watch Film Theory, they explained it pretty well
Hans is written this way, because the story was changed during production. Elsa was supposed to be the bad guy. The twist with Hans was added later. I think Hans is a bad twist villain, because it came out of nowhere. It was played for a shock factor, then good storytelling.
I think a good twist villain should suprise you by the first time watching it, but by the second time you see these obvious hints. With Hans you wonder why he is written so unnessecary sympathetic or you are "finding" clues for his villainy that are not there.
Exactly!
Do you have a source on that?
@@GachaAracne Behind the scenes are on YT
Yeah and it definitely shows. Hans doesn't do anything evil prior to the twist. He wanted to marry Anna so he could secure himself a position of power. Okay. At best it makes him shallow and ambitious, like most aristocrats in the 17th century. He takes charge as regent and hands out blankets and food to the starving people. Okay. He did it to serve his own interests, but at least someone is doing something productive. In the ice palace, he saves Elsa's life. Okay. He may have done because he doesn't think killing her will end the winter but that doesn't change the fact that she's alive BECAUSE OF HIM. He then imprisons Elsa in a cell because she is unstable and dangerous, even if she doesn't intend to be. Okay. Reasonable. He peacefully asks her to end the winter and she bemoans that she can't and asks to run away. Okay. Hans is running out of options, the queen refuses to be of any help, and the people are going to start starving and dying. Seriously, who is the villain here?
Then the twist happens and now Hans is another needlessly cruel, generic villain who delivers a cringe-inducing monologue to a dying girl about how he's going to steal the throne and kill her sister blah blah blah. Ah yes, a "realistic" and "subversive" villain who possesses absolutely zero nuance whatsoever.
People went from “Hans is such a masterpiece of a villainy in Disney.” To “He’s literally the worst villain of all time.”
I think it is clear that people calling the Hans twist "obvious" are stating as such through a teenage or adult lens when watching Frozen.
@@Wackaz I watched it when I was six so obviously I was like “So this is what watching Game of Thrones is like.”
Yea
The only stand out thing about Hans is that his Darkness manifested in an Ice wolf heartless in KH 3. Also Sora and friends never interact with Hans.
Since when have people claimed Zthe twist was obvious? I’ve only ever seen people complain that it makes no sense
I'm still in the camp that the Hans twist was out of the blue, mostly because he had a genuine smile of enamourment after meeting her rather than something smaller so while I would have felt that him not being endgame was expected and he did seem more morally grey, him being a full-on villain in the last act did feel inconsistant.
Yeah, that look on his face at the end of his first scene made his sudden shift to "It's All About Me" mentality seem too jarring to really believe. And the potential argument being the possible foreshadowing the twist could ever have is how the characters responds to Anna getting engaged to Hans, a guy she just met in one day. But even then, that was just Elsa & Kristoff speaking out common sense than hinting anything of what Hans was up to.
That said, I still enjoy the film, tho.
I guess the smile was "wow this is so easy, I totally have this in the bag" and it's on the audience for missing the vibe the smile was going for
Morally gray Hans would have been awesome. Instead of wanting to kill Elsa for power, he could have tried to kill her because he wanted to save Arendale and Anna. But no, disney really wanted to go hard for some cheap twist that makes less sense the more you rewatch it.
the problem is not that he is predictable is the complete opposite, it is obvious that the decision to make him the villain was made at the last minute his actions do not make sense with his "intentions"
Yeah
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Was he in promotion material with heroes?
This
To have a successful twist, you need to be able to find the subtle clues leading to it. Hans doesn't do that. Frozen was only enjoyable the first viewing for me because of Hans. Knowing Hans was the bad guy made his actions/dialogue confusing and nonsensical to me. He felt like two different characters.
I think a twist villain should have 3 main qualities:
1. Presence: This is something that all villains need but is something twist villains often struggle with. Most twist villains feel weak because they were not powerful enough to be obviously evil and have to operate in the shadow. When they are revealed to be the villain the film is almost over, leaving no time to establish their presence and thus feel incredibly underpowered in the final confrontation.
2. Rewatch value: A twist villain should make viewers want to watch the same movie again. The person watching the movie again should now see the signs and draw satisfaction from the clever lines of dialogue.
3. Reward: Set up enough clues for the nature of your twist villain to give the members of the audience who pay close enough attention the feeling of triumph of being right all along.
Based on these criteria Prince Hans is a bad twist villain. He is decently threatening but not even professional writers and directors predict him as a twist villain and there are no clues to reward a second viewing either.
Saying that Hans is bad because he was obvious is straight up wrong, although I haven't seen anyone who has seen that film make that argument anyway.
Man, Frozen is so nostalgic. There was such a cosiness and comfort to that film experience. The scenes between Hans and Anna, and all scenes in the palace really, were magical before the twist. I miss the days I watched that film as a kid.
True, today i cant watch it without over thinking about everything
When i rewatch the movie, I just skip the scene with Hans' twist because his monologue is so cringe-inducing and he literally uses "no you" as a comeback. He is arguably the worst part of the film for me.
Honestly it would have been 10 times better if Hans did kiss Anna, and it didn't work anyways because it isn't true love (because they literally just met). It could still serve the purpose of rejecting the ideas of old Disney movies about love at first sight, while still making more sense. Plus, it would make Anna realize that maybe Elsa knew more about love than she gave her credit for, since she was the one who told her that you can't love someone you just met. And they could have had Weaselton trying to kill Elsa, and Anna sacrificing herself for her and all, so... it really baffles me that they didn't go for this way more logical option.
Seconded!!
I hate what they did with Hans because his and Anna’s duet song is so cute. I don’t have a problem with the twist villain but this one annoyed me lol.
The main issue is that there were NO hints of him being evil. Twists work when the reaction is "I should have known!" rather than "wait, what?" It has to make sense in hindsight, but Hans does NOT. There is zero hints at him being evil, in fact, it doesn't even make sense because if he wanted Elsa dead, why would he save Elsa in the ice castle?
In terms of writing, he's a failure of a twist villain. I think people are just realizing with time that "hey... this twist kinda sucked and came out of nowhere."
It was neither telegraphed nor obvious. In fact, Hans acts like he's lovestruck even when noone watches him - like in the beginning after he fell in the water and looks at Anna leaving. So, my complaint is more that they are so desperate to hide the twist that they are lying to the audience to achieve it - which is bad style in my book.
Tbf i wouldnt say that Prince Hans is obvious. I think peoples big complaints about it is a lot of his actions not making sense in retrospect.
A good twist will have actions making sense in retrospect. Think about how turbo convinced ralph to break penelope's cart. That seemed like a good deed at the time, but later it still makes sense in regards to the twist.
Hans does a lot of stuff that doesnt make sense regarding the twist. Like, why did he save Elsa, when he really wants to kill her.
Theres a lot of stuff that just doesnt make much sense in retrospect, which i think a lot of people just didnt like.
Also, this is just my personal opinion, but i just cant take the dude seriously as a villain. His design just doesnt work as a villain, imo.
I mean didn’t he have the princes guard with him? killing your future wife’s sister would make it impossible to get upon the throne cuz he would be hated! When an opportunity arose to get everything without prerequisites and getting the throne quicker then expected? He took it. He was an arse but a smart one at that.
@@siyaamhussain6180 Yeah he needed to secure his relationship with Anna before ending Elsa. If he didn't protect Elsa at that moment then Anna becomes queen, yes, but with her new responsibilities it would be very possible that they would postpone the wedding or cancel it.
whoever says Hans is an obvious twist villain is crazy if anything his main problem is that there's no hint he's the villain
Who has ever accused Prince Hans of being obvious? I’ve only ever seen people complain about how the twist makes no sense.
Ultimately, writing plot twists comes down to managing your audiences expectations. To this end, there are 2 ways a plot twist can fail and they both are a result in failing to manage the expectations. First, the twist could be too predictable (which happens when you use the same twist multiple times, the shock factor wears off), second, the twist could be insufficiently foreshadowed and seemingly comes out of nowhere. The latter, in my opinion, is why Hans fails, not as a villain, but as a twist. Where's the foreshadowing? As much as you could say the other characters, primarily Elsa and Kristoff, are criticising Anna for her decision, that's nothing we haven't seen before (The Little Mermaid, for example).
i mean to be fair, in love is an open door, hans never sings about loving anna, he sings about loving how he found his own place
@@oceanamelodies8062 Not really cause place means belongingness (given the context ppl, kingdom & romance).
For me personally Hans' villain twist came out of no where. He has a genuine smile towards Anna at the beginning of the movie absolutely no one was looking and there was no need to keep up appearances, he needs Elsa to die to get her kingdom but he saves her? On top of all that theres no narrative foreshadowing for the twist at all. The writers either decided to make him the villain last minute and didnt want to go back to re write anything or they wanted artificially make the twist more shocking by making Hans act out of character and just makes the reveal feel cheap and unearned.
Also I dont know how exactly to say this but I wish Smarty Pants would stop using rotten tomatoes or imdb scores as the definitive, object testament to a movies and if you hear alot of negative buzz on social media all those critiques are "wrong" or "just hating" or whatever. Thats not how those platforms work or how they were intended to be used. No ones wrong here just state your opinion, why you disagree with others opinions and move on. Constantly using your positive reviews to say " The critics were wrong" is just corny
Hans? An obvious twist? Not even close. Sure, it was foreshadowed. But it was so subtle it’s barely noticeable, even on a rewatch.
There was a hint that Hans is not that good. But it was just one and basically at the end of story also not very noticible.
When he seemingly saves Elsa from being shot he first looks at the goon who is about to shoot then he quickly looks up to the chandelier and then aims guys weapon on that chandelier while still looking at it I might add. So he was planning to kill Elsa with that chandelier and making it look like he was trying to save her.
Hmm, never actually thought about that one. Hans would've looked less bad or not bad at all by the townsfolks' perception if it really was just an accident.
that part was so silly. if he wanted her dead, he could've just stood back and watched as the goon fires the shot and kills Elsa. He literally had only SECONDS to act and plenty of witnesses could attest to this, so nobody would've blamed him if that happened. Anyway, why would they blame Hans? From the POV of a Arendale citizen, the queen abandoned them and froze their kingdom and left them to starve and freeze. Also, before Hans storms the palace, he was already a hero: he was placed in charge as regent and used that power to hand out blankets/food and arranged a search party to look for Anna.
i dont really think hans was a bad character i think he was a bad twist, with no clues to being a villain due to a change in Elsa character and disney writting itself to a corner if hans would had kiss anna it wouldnt had work because they wanted elsa and anna to have a sisterly love thats why olaf sacrificing for anna didnt help, hans was turned into a villain to have someone attacking elsa so anna could sacrifice herself
The problem was that it came out of nowhere so it made no sense. A better Hans villain twist could've been that he tried to save ana with a true love's kiss, it wouldn't work, Ana would notice that she doesn't love him and tell him. After that he would argue with her because he think he is entitled to have ana because of all he did for her and because he is obsessed with her after that "love is an open door" song. Then after that, lock her in the room and tell her something like "It's that curse that your sister put on you that is making you think you don't love me, that's it! Maybe there is another way to break it. I know how to fix this, how to fix us." He then goes to elsa and tell her that she is killing her sister and that because of that he needs to kill her and still have that sister saves sister moment anyway. He would be more like an insane kind of villain but it would make a bit more sense with how he was acting in the movie towards her and with that message of "you can't just marry someone you just met".
That would make much more internal sense!
I think its also the fact that compared to someone like Turbo (one of the most, if not the most loved twist-villian) he doesnt seem like an actually threat. They should have planned him to be a villain from the start and make him seem threatening, I mean yeah he was so willing to kill both Anna and Elsa but they should of maybe added a scene where he tried to sway the villagers against Elsa or something, maybe did a bit more when he lied about Elsa killing Anna. Like Turbo not only fooled everybody, but he also actually took over a kingdom and ruled it for who knows how long! He was a threat even before his true self was shown.
I still remember my first time watching Frozen and I was shocked when Hans turned out to be a villain. Maybe I was too dumb to see it coming since I was 12 when this movie came out. I thought his motivation made sense, his character arc was all on point, and Disney didn't make it super obvious on the first watch that he would be the bad guy in the end. But after you watch it over hundreds of times, you can spot little details in 'Love Is An Open Door' that he would betray Anna later and be the villain.
I think Hans is still one of the best villains in terms of character even if most people think he's not.
His motivation, which was to marry Anna and take the throne, made sense but his method and execution did not.
I think King Candy mastered the "twist villain" trope
I agree he was the best out of all of them
The Humpty Dumpty twist in Puss & Boots hit me hard as a kid - I felt so betrayed and heartbroken about it.
@@WackazSame!
We need to remember the actual obvious fact about these Disney villain twist tropes being that they're aimed at a young children audience: to young kids, the Hans twist was not coming or predictable, and certainly not "obvious", whatsoever, particularly to myself when I was a young boy. The Humpty Dumpty twist in Puss & Boots hit me hard as a kid - I was not expecting it in the slightest and I felt so betrayed and heartbroken about it. If a film achieves this impact on their target audience, then the story technique - in this case, a trope aimed at a children's audience - works and has achieved its goal, no? I assumed this was the truly obvious point. I think it is clear that people calling the Hans twist "obvious" are stating as such through a teenage or adult lens when watching Frozen.
Even as an adult when I rewatch the film for myself I'm always blindsided by Hans becoming the villain of the story. For me it's not foreshadowed at all, even though I know the twist is coming.
Edit:Grammar mistake
I would argue that with Humpty Dumpty, his betrayal and other twist do make more sense than Han’s. When he and Puss meet up again after all those years, Puss’s first reaction is to not trust Humpty, which tells the audience that character is a bit shifty. Then the flashback reinforced that idea as it showed that Humpty did have a complicated past, though our sympathies are still a bit short since he is the reason Puss is on the run.
So already we have a character that could end up being an ally or an enemy.
When Humpty betrays Puss after the heist, the audience is shocked because it seemed like the two were reconciling but it didn’t come out of nowhere. The final twist with Humpty saving the town with Puss is another twist that also makes sense because the story flowed based on who the characters were and what they would reasonably do.
The Han’s twist is more like if Donkey would betray Shrek to Lord Farquad or the Fairy Godmother instead of staying beside his best friend. One could go back to find ‘hints’ if one wanted to, but it would be a total whiplash to the audience and would not make any sense.
He and Magnifico are both written similarly, and both are unnecessary villains, since the Duke could've taken Hans' role and Magnifico was sympathetic (and had a point).
Its amazing, ten years later and Disney pulls the same stunt they used on Hans on Magnifico and to the surprise of no one, everybody hated it. Hans and Magnifico could've been complicated, sympathetic, morally ambiguous characters but writing those type of characters convincingly isn't easy and its just soooo much easier to flip the switch and make them evil last minute.
@@Nopeasaurus Well, they do have the same writer--but with Magnifico, it isn't Jennifer Lee's fault; it was confirmed that Magnifico was originally a good king while Amaya was the sole villain (guessing it was before the evil couple idea), so it's likely that villain Magnifico was an exec idea, explaining his final depiction having sympathetic elements.
It is clear that people calling the Hans twist "obvious" are stating as such through a teenage or adult lens when watching Frozen, without acknowledging the fact that this twist wasn't intended to have an impact on them, but the children target audience (and if you watch this film with children, you will notice that the child did not see this twist as "obvious.")
I never saw it as obvious, even in retrospect. It was a good twist, albeit an unnecessary one.
I watched Frozen when I was 13 and I did expect Hans to be secretly evil. Mainly because I knew from marketing that Kristoff was the love interest, so Hans felt like a weird loose end lol.
True I was 4 when it came out I didn’t see the twist either
I feel like the internet making this twist villain toxicity was not good for fans of this film. After watching this video, I no longer have to feel bad for feeling that moment of betrayal when I first saw frozen seeing hans reveal himself.
Do any of the people complaining about how "obvious" Hans was know that there are still folks claiming that the trolls are the true villain?
Didn't any one pick up the part in the song where him and Anna didn't say the same line when they should have one said sandwiches and the other said sentences back when i watch it it made Hans seem suspicious to me since most duets are perfectly synchronized take sleeping bueaty once upon a dream for example so it was foreshadowed it was just very settle Foreshadowing and after we watching it before frozen 2 I noticed Han constantly looking at anna as if he was trying to read her facial cues which is something that a manipulator does they study the slight facial cue to figure out what to say to get what they want i believe he was a great villain for the time
Still bummed out that this twist reveal was spoiled for me before I saw the movie. I saw it a few months late, so it was apparently hard to avoid!
lets also not forget that in the beginning, they intended on making an evil ice queen story and not a sisterly misunderstanding. they mightve intended that hans be the actual love interest until they changed their plans about him. just a theory of mine for that though. because he did look at anna lovingly after their first encounter
I mean, I first saw the movie in theaters with no knowledge of it other than "Let it go" being more popular than breathing. And I didn't see that twist coming at all. I expected them to instead try to push, "Oh the kiss didn't work because Anna doesn't actually love Hans anymore but loves Kristoff".
I think people are looking back on this the same way we look back on Darth Vader being Anakin/Luke's father. Yeah we know that NOW but it was a pretty big twist back when it first happened.
I totally agree with you! Hans was an amazing twist villain and he was the first one Disney had done so it hit even harder when he was revealed to be the villain of the story. The only people who could predict on the first watch that Hans would be the villain are people who had already seen other Disney movies with the same trope.
Iirc King candy is the first twist villain disney made and unlike Hans he was actually well written
@@usernotfound_____yet You're right, my mistake. Hans was the Disney twist villain to popularize the trope, but King Candy was the first Disney twist villain and he was way better written than Hans, especially since the writing for Frozen as a whole wasn't the best given that the storyline was drastically rewritten so many times. I mainly love Hans as a twist villain because the idea of a handsome, seemingly kind prince secretly being the villain is very intriguing to me, but I will admit that it definitely could have been executed better.
@_Ms.Sakura totally agree, although I would've loved it if Hans was a grey character cuz we don't get a lot of them as opposed to fully evil ones.
Love him or hate him, you can’t deny that Hans started a new era of Disney villains
My view on this was but why? Let the kids have their fairytales. Let the heroes be the heroes, let the villains be the villains. It’s fine. They’ll grow up, they’ll meet a Hans at some point anyway, and find out the truth about Santa too. But let them have their fairytales.
Back in 2014, my coworker told me about watching Frozen with her friend, and her friend had never seen the movie before.
While watching “Love Is An Open Door”, the friend said “He’s totally going to be the villain, isn’t he?” My coworker was shocked and asked why she thought that. The friend’s response “There was no way he was going to say “sandwiches”. He’s lying. He’s deceiving her. I don’t know why, but I don’t like it.”
I was flabbergasted. I was shocked by the twist on my first viewing. But he still felt like a flat character. He didn’t get enough screen time as the real focus of the film was the sisters. And given that the original concept was for Elsa to be the antagonist (prior to corporate meddling), I think it was very unlikely that he was going to become a fully fleshed out villain.
That being said, I still found the film enjoyable. And that’s ultimately what matters in determining any piece of media’s success; how does it make the audience feel? Frozen isn’t the greatest film objectively. But there’s a reason why so many people love it and why it’s one of the most successful films in the studio’s back log.
Hans is a horrible twist Villain BECAUSE he's NOT obvious. He smiles he's sweet and I was cheering on for him and Anna. The Duke of weasleton should've been the Villain.
Yeah he was pretty sus
I remember going to see it in theaters when I was a kid(7) I did not see the twist coming whatsoever. Tbh even as a kid I didn’t understand why he was the villain out of nowhere because he had done so much that showed no villain traits
As Anna got closer to Kristof I wondered where does that leave Hans in all this. I though they'd do some love triangle and whoever she didn't pick be a future villian. But the reveal was a different approach ya know?
I agree with this video I feel like people are just saying it’s obvious because they already watched it or wasn’t familiar with Disney movies and thought him not getting enough screen time was suspicious I’ll it was not obvious at all besides the kissing scene and the little comments about him having a lot of brothers you would have never guessed he was the bad guy at the time (I don’t think it was forced not having evidence isn’t a bad thing it’s a lots of real people who act nice but randomly snaps and acts like a complete different person and it was no red flags )
100% agree! I remember seeing this movie when it came out and thinking that maybe Hans would be the perfect prince for Anna until the end where he can't accept Elsa's powers. Anna would choose to stand with her sister over her love interest and that would be the 'twist'. Kind of a statement on why you shouldn't rush a relationship and why getting to know someone first is important. The twist that he was just an outright bad guy did genuinely surprise me at the time.
I always liked the twist. I feel like ppl blame hans for Disney doing more twist villains and thats why they dont like him 😂
Tbf a lot of people CLEARLY state that they don't like him cuz the twist came out of nowhere and the "hints" were so subtles they seem unintentional.
As much as I find the first Frozen pretty meh, but I agree that Hans being a Twist Villain was pretty good. My mom and I were pretty surprised that plot twist when we first saw that movie in theaters.
Hm, fair and valid points and opinions, i get where you’re coming from.
However, I am more of the consensus that Hans’ plan didn’t really make logical sense and that he’s a Twist Villain just for the sake of a Twist Villain.
I remember when the movie came out everyone was so shocked when Hans turned out to be evil. No one expected it and it was a huge plot twist at the time. Everyone was gobsmacked and I loved it. This movie was all about sisterly love which also wasn't really portrayed that much prior to this film. And the fact that an act of true love could be Anna saving her sister was also a huge plot twist. Since Anna was with Krsitoff for the second half of the movie I think it was assumed that he would have something to do with it. But the fact that it was Anna who took the action, which saved herself out of the love she had for her sister was masterfully done and completely out of the box thinking for the time.
I liked the twist (or the idea of it anyway) because it makes the movie's themes more nuanced. At first, it seems like the message is going to be "don't be afraid of your emotions" but Ana's story makes the case that being led by your feelings is dangerous too. Disney movies historically have elevated emotion over reason, so that's refreshing. But I sadly have to agree with another UA-camr, Cellspex, that Ana's fake chemistry with Hans is better than her real chemistry with Kristoff.
What should have happened
Option one: Anna wants a prince she falls in love with a raindeer loving adventure guy Elsa is the adventure ice queen she falls in love with a prince
The weasel ton guy tries to take over ardendell because he does not trust Elsa cause her ice power or Anna because of her foolishness duke tried to take over Elsa shoots ice duke blocks it with a sheld it hits Anna she freezes Elsa is destracted duke tries to kill her hans pushes him out of the way they fight Elsa hugs Anna healing her Elsa shoots the duke freezing him kristoff kisses Anna hans kisses Elsa Anna Elsa fixes winter they leave the statue in an ally they forgot about it the statue starts to melt because of the heat setting up the sequel
He tries to take them over Elsa shoots ice duke blocks it with a s
I just hope that in the movie of Shrek 5, once Disney buys DreamWorks, all The Official Disney Princes and all The Official Disney Princesses appear, especially the most important character in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea, Melody, The Daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, with her best friends Tip, Dash, Kiera and Catalina, and besides, they will be the new main characters of the movie of Shrek 5 so that they help Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Dulcinea, The Three Diablos, Goldilocks, The Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, The Children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, The Children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and The Others to defeat Rumpelstiltskin, Death, Drizella Tremaine, all The Official Villains of Disney and all The Official Villains of DreamWorks, as Queen Grimhilde, Lady Tremaine, Captain Hook, Hades, Maleficent, Cruella de Vil, Marina del Rey, Ursula, Gaston LeGume, Jafar, John Ratcliffe, Shan Yu, Yzma, Dr. Facilier, Zhan Tiri, Judge Claude Frollo, Mother Gothel, Tamatoa, Drago Bludvist, Grimmel The Grisly, Mor'du, King Runeard, Prince Hans, Pitch Black, Dr. Zara, Queen Nerissa, King Magnifico, Rapunzel (Shrek) and Morgana, and to prevent Rumpelstiltskin, Death, all The Official Villains of Disney and all The Official Villains of DreamWorks from ruling and destroying all The Multiverse Forever, especially The Kingdom of Far Far Away, Shrek along with his wife named Princess Fiona will need help from their new friends which are all The Official Disney Princes and all The Official Disney Princesses, as Prince Florian, Princess Snow White, Prince Charming, Princess Cinderella, The Baker, Anastasia Tremaine, Prince Philip, Princess Aurora, Prince Eric, Princess Ariel, Prince Adam, Princess Belle, Prince Aladdin, Princess Jasmine, Prince John Smith, Princess Pocahontas, Prince Li Shang, Princess Fa Mulan, Prince Naveen, Princess Tiana, Prince Flynn Rider, Princess Rapunzel, Varian, Cassandra, Maui, Queen Moana Waialiki, Hiccup Haddock, Princess Merida, Kristoff Bjorgman, Queen Anna, Jack Frost, Princess Elsa, Jin, Yi, Connor, Ruby Gillman, Starboy, Princess Asha, Mateo, Queen Elena, Prince Desmond, Princess Amber, Prince James, Princess Isabel, Prince Hugo, Princess Sofia, The Futuristic Four, Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Namaari, The Other Six Princesses of The Kingdom of Atlantica and Melody, but actually, Melody is The First and Only that she is not a True Official Disney Princess, because Melody made her debut in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea and it is also because she is The First and Only Daughter of an Official Disney Princess, but Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Dulcinea, The Three Diablos, Goldilocks, The Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, The Children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, The Children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and The Others also need Melody's help to protect and save all The Multiverse, especially Their Kingdom of Far Far Away away from Rumpelstiltskin, Death, all The Official Villains of Disney and all The Official Villains of DreamWorks, because Melody is The Daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, but also The Death of Queen Lillian, because since her husband named King Harold passed away in the movie of Shrek 3, she has felt heartbroken and that caused her own death in her Kingdom of Far Far Away, and all The Inhabitants of The Kingdom of Far Far Away are saddened by The Death of Queen Lillian, because now she is with her husband named King Harold in heaven, and now they have lost their queen, that means now The Kingdom of Far Far Away needs a new queen and King Artie said that his love interest, girlfriend, fiancée and former classmate from Worcestershire school called Princess Guinevere would be the one to be The New Queen of Far Far Away, so King Artie decided to return to his old school called Worcestershire along with Shrek, with his older cousin Princess Fiona, with Donkey, with Dragon, with Puss in Boots, with Kitty Softpaws, with Perrito, with Dulcinea, with The Three Diablos, with Goldilocks, with The Three Bears, with The Children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, with The Children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and with the Others to meet again with their friends from their school who are actually Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany and his love interest, girlfriend and fiancée Princess Guinevere to take them back to his Kingdom of Far Far Away, and also The Romance of all The Official Disney Princes and all The Official Disney Princesses, especially The Romance of Maui and Queen Moana Waialiki, The Romance of Hiccup Haddock and Princess Merida, The Romance of Jack Frost and Princess Elsa, The Romance of Varian and Cassandra, The Romance of Starboy and Princess Asha, The Romance of Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany and The Romance of King Artie and Princess Guinevere, because I think that Maui will be Queen Moana Waialiki's love interest, boyfriend and fiancé, while Hiccup Haddock will be Princess Merida's love interest and boyfriend, Princess Tiffany will be Prince Lancelot's love interest, girlfriend and fiancée and Princess Guinevere will be King Artie's love interest, girlfriend and fiancée, because Queen Moana Waialiki is going to fall in love with Maui, Princess Merida is going to fall in love Hiccup Haddock, Princess Tiffany is going to fall in love with Prince Lancelot and Princess Guinevere is going to fall in love with King Artie, but they don't know how to tell them their feelings towards them and neither how to win their hearts, because every time Queen Moana Waialiki gets too close to Maui when it comes to true love, she gets very nervous with him, while which in the case of Princess Merida is also the same, because whenever Princess Merida gets too close to Hiccup Haddock when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous with him, in the case of Princess Tiffany it is also the same, because whenever Princess Tiffany gets too close to Prince Lancelot when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, and in the case of Princess Guinevere too, because every time Princess Guinevere gets too close to King Artie when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, but luckily for them, Princess Fiona will help Queen Moana Waialiki to win The Heart of Maui, also Princess Merida to win The Heart of Hiccup Haddock, also Princess Tiffany to win The Heart of Prince Lancelot and also Princess Guinevere to win The Heart of King Artie, and I also want that Jack Frost will be Princess Elsa's love interest and boyfriend and Varian will be Cassandra's love interest and boyfriend, because Jack Frost leaves fall in love with Princess Elsa, but he doesn't know how to tell her his feelings and how to win her heart, because every time Jack Frost gets too close to Princess Elsa when it comes to true love, he gets very nervous with her, because Varian leaves fall in love with Cassandra, but he doesn't know how to tell her his feelings and how to win her heart, because every time Varian gets too close to Cassandra when it comes to true love, he gets very nervous with her, but fortunately for they, Shrek will help Jack Frost to win The Heart of Princess Elsa and also Varian to win The Heart of Cassandra, except Goldilocks, Namaari, Princess Raya and Princess Mirabel Madrigal, because now they will be The Only Official Disney Princesses who do not need to have love interests and who can remain single forever, and also the same for Melody, The Daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, because like her new adoptive aunts Goldilocks, Namaari, Princess Raya and Princess Mirabel Madrigal, she doesn't need a love interest either, but also The Rivalry of King Artie and Queen Anna because they both want to compete in a challenge to see who is The Best Ruler of a Kingdom, because both want to do what is best for Their Own Kingdom, because King Artie wants to do the best for his Kingdom of Far Far Away because now he is The New King of Far Far Away and Queen Anna wants to do the best for her Kingdom of Arendelle because now she is The New Queen of Arendelle, but at the end, King Artie and Queen Anna become best friends in the world, because at the end, they both learned from their mistakes that they have made since their challenge to compete to see who is the best ruler of a Kingdom, and that at the end, King Artie and Princess Guinevere see their first true love kiss and that they become a romantic couple, just like Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany, and also that at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, Shrek becomes The New Leader of The Official Disney Princes and Maui, Hiccup Haddock, Kristoff Bjorgman, Jack Frost, Varian, Jin, Connor, The Baker, Starboy, Mateo, Prince Desmond, Prince James, Prince Hugo, Prince Lancelot and King Artie become The New Official Members of The Official Disney Princes, while Princess Fiona becomes The New Leader of The Official Disney Princesses and Queen Anna, Princess Elsa, Cassandra, Yi, Ruby Gillman, Anastasia Tremaine, Princess Asha, Queen Elena, Princess Amber, Princess Isabel, Princess Sofia, Goldilocks, Namaari, The Other Six Princesses of The Kingdom of Atlantica, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Princess Tiffany and Princess Guinevere become The New Official Members of The Official Disney Princesses and that one day, Princess Tiffany will be The Wife of Prince Lancelot and that they have a family in the future, and that also Princess Guinevere is The Wife of King Artie, that they also have a family and that she becomes The New Queen of Far Far Away in The Future.
My problem with Hans was that his villainy seemed like a sloppy afterthought...like they forgot that the movie needed a villain, so they just appointed him as the bad guy. His villainy was just illogical! He already had Anna in the bag. His only real obstacle to the throne was Elsa. He could have stayed with Anna and figured out a way to take Elsa out. There was NO POINT in him rejecting Anna as she was a Princess of Erandor (sp). And like you said, he DID save Elsa, which ALSO MADE NO SENSE!! He could have let the guards kill her on their own, but for whatever reason, he called them off, only to attempt to end her by his own hands at the end of the movie!! It was just comically absurd! Ugh!!! Like I said, I think they forgot that they needed a villain and they also needed a way for Anna to end up with Kristoff.
Honestly, they could have just gone the route that Dreamworks did with their movie, Sinbad. I don't remember the names of the characters, but the lady in the movie was engaged to the gentleman that was Sinbad's best friend from his childhood. Sinbad and the lady go on a trip to save the gentleman from execution and fall in love along the way. In order for the lady and Sinbad to be together, the gentleman just proved he was one of the best characters in the movie and told her that he just wanted her to be happy and let her go. Hans could have been THAT hero, but instead he became the nonsensical villain!!
SMH.
I think it's ""obvious"" because I knew people who see it when it cames out, before even the new movies.
There is two major clues :
1) Esla warning about don't trust people you just met too early
2) Anna love story with Kristoff. It's actually when I heard people heard "the other prince is the vilain". Because yes, if Kristoff is ultimately the lover for Anna, whar would happen with Hans.
a) He would say : "I love you, so I want you to live a life of hapiness" , while being sad in the inside
b) Also falling in love with an another woman. I remember that reviwers were even disappointed by the twist, because it was OBVIOUS Hans would be with Elsa. Even accusinf to add a twist ending for the sake of it. Also, review who came out just after tge films in 2013
c) He's the vilain. I suppose maybe some of these people may have thought he would become jealous of Kristoff and TURN into a vilain. Like a Gaston, but actually smart and nice in the beginning. Or simply because most Disney have antagonists, and at this moment of the movie, we only have arguably Elsa as an unwilling antagonist (but I see her more like a secondary protagonist) and the Duke of Weselton as a clear secondary antagonist, which despite his stubbornness, is against Elsa for the sake of protecting the population in his own mind. So the most probable guy for True Evil could only filled by Hans.
But yeah, like I said there are clues. Not giveaway. So it's not that it is obvious. So now I just write this, yeah, Hans is a pretty good twist vilain, for there are clues, not like other twist who comes from nowhere
I remember it coming out, it was a big twist. Even the marketing, you'd go through the cinema and there was posters like he was the new Prince, or at least a brother figure. Looking back though I wish they'd made subtle hints to his true nature, so you can watch again and have that "oh" moment. He's played too straight until the twist there's no rewatchability in the story. Luckily the songs make up for it lol
I'm still in the camp the trolls did something to make Hans sudden change. Nothing about the twist was predictable as he did seem genuine. The trolls literally sang about if they got rid of Hans, Anna could marry Kirstof like they want. They even have the magic to do it as they altered Anna's memeoy and during the explanation of Elsa's magic they scare her despite just saying fear would make it worse. That would explain Han's sudden heel turn as it happens right after Anna and Kirstof came back to the kingdom. As he could have let the guard kill Elsa when the guard had the shot but didn't.
If we go he was a villain the whole time with his goal was to be king then it wouldn't make sense for him to kill Anna nor Elsa. Elsa left so she wasn't in charge, Anna put Hans in charge, so if Hans just kept the act he would have been king. He kisses Anna and kiss failed, its not his fault it failed and he wouldn't been seen by the public as evil. Heck, Anna could go to Elsa and the pair could mend their relationship which did undo the curse and Anna and Hans could marry. While showing Hans alone plotting with no one around to sell the wolf in sheep's clothing point to the audience similar to how they did in the Little Marmaid with Vannassa who was actually Urslaa. Even have it close with Elsa not finding out until it was almost too late and she has to save Anna. As Hans and Anna are in a relationship to get to know each other to point of marrying. It's almost too late as Anna would technically be queen since Elsa leaving was her giving up the throne. With Hans marrying Anna, he gets to be king, and could have plan to kill Anna right after they marry. The Evil Queen style with a poison drink during the party. Elsa would have to work to show Hans true colors before the kiss.
I was nine and loved every minute of this movie I think people are bored and angry nowadays so things aren't appreciated as they were before.
I feel like he definitely wasn't obvious, but that in itself is the issue. He kind of felt shoe-horned in in a way, like that one scene where he smiles up at her from under the boat gave ppl the impression that he was genuine from the get-go, and then was suddenly made into a villain because plot. The only set up was him being the youngest of a lot of brothers, without much else, so I think the general vibe is that just because you don't expect someone to be the villain doesn't inherently make them a good twist. A good twist is like King Candy, where the twist wasn't even that he was a villain but from where he was from. Also, I think in comparison to Scar, the movie wasn't afraid to let the audience in on his villainy, but Hans was just kind of a guy and then made into somehow crazy evil at the very end, the whiplash may be what makes people feel he's too 2D
the only reason i thought hans was going to be the villain was just "ive seen enough stories. it's gotta be him" early into "love is an open door" and kristoff being anna's travel partner instead of hans added fuel to that. i didnt see promotional material or the snow queen, it was just experience with twist villains. it doesnt help that i played pokemon x and y or pokemon mystery dungeon explorers before watching
He’s obvious NOW because it was beautifully foreshadowed
I think it would have been better if Hans' villainous breakdown was triggered because the true love kiss didn't work. Like, he knows he fills the prince charming role and thinks he deserves to marry Ana, but because he doesn't truly love her the kiss doesn't work. So he goes out to kill Elsa and take over by force.
Bruh i was a preteen when this came out 👵even i didn't saw it comming that he would have been a villain i thought he and Anna both realized they actually didn't love eachother and just had butterflies
I dont think I have ever seen anyone's criticism of Hans be "oh, well he was just too obviously a villain so it was boring", they just dont feel satisfied with the way he is in the story.
I think people are looking at this with too much retrospective. Back in 2013, this twist was FIRE, me and every other little girl in the theater felt cheated.
My opinion is that he was a good twist villain because at first i thought it was gonna be the love at first sight thing and then Kristoff showed up and i thought she was gonna choose Kristoff over Hans but to show that his motives were very different was a good twist especially because it was out if no where and for me thats how twists work, they shouldn't be predictable and his motives make sense, he wants to be King but because he has a crap load of brothers he can't inherit the throne therefore he was gonna marry into the throne somewhere else, he even said he originally was gonna try and marry Elsa but quickly saw that wouldn't go for it and decided Anna was easier prey
I didn’t see the big twist at the time either and I was 17 at the time.
There's a theory that Hans was being mind controlled by the trolls which is why his character suddenly shifted.
Hans may not be the most deep or complex villain but he is still better than the horrible villains we get now and I would do anything to get back villains like him
Don't tell the fanfic writers. That's the best line yet
If hans were not meant to be the twist villain, they could use the duke of weaseltown to be the clear villain. And let hans kiss anna but it didn't work bc the kiss isn't truelove or maybe proves that sometimes a true love kiss isn't the solution. And then let anna realize that she's in love with kristoff and vice versa. But then she sees the duke trying to kill elsa and then she rushes to protect her sister like how the story went.
Even if his motifs are solid... For me his villainy came out of nowhere!
I prefer the twist villain formula with some foreshadowing cause a second watch can make it much more enjoyable, as you can try to pick up certain moments you didn't notice before.
If you talk about twist... I prefer Atlantis cause it's even more than just one but all.
At this point I think people just wanna have a problem with this guy. If he is not too predictable, then he is not forshadowed enough and it's a last minute add to the plot. Like, he servers his purpose, he works as a bad guy, he does serve the plot as the creators intended, he is an interesting character, he just isn't popular or "iconic" and that shouldn't be that big of a deal. The intention of the final product is to tell a story about sisterly love, not about manipulative romantic relationships. He is not the main guy and that's ok. He is a plot device, just like all the other villains, but in this case the actual protagonists happen to be interesting enough to not be overshadowed by their villain.
I think a better villain for the first Frozen movie would've been the Duke. We legit see him be an antagonist rather then Hans. He had more foreshadowing than Hans. The problem with Hans is it is out of nowhere. He and Anna hut it off in the movie and prior to his twist, he has been shown to be a good guy. Unlike the Duke he has no slip ups in his nice persona cluing us into the fact that he might be a bad gut, or the antagonist of the film. Plus when he is revealed(out of nowhere) in that iconic scene we have like less than 20 minutes left of the film. Making his screen presence as a villain underwhelming. John Silver, Rorck(from Atlantis. Sorry if I spelled in his name incorrectly), and King Candy are all way better Disney Twist Villains. They have screen presence, we see hints and clues that there might be something more nearfarious going on with them, and best of all the reveal doesn't come out of nowhere. You believe the twist and the movies that they star in are better on rewatch because we can follow the twist. Everytime I rewatch Frozen the Hans twist always comes out of nowhere, no matter how hard I look for hints and clues to point to the twist. It doesn't feel gratifying to watch him assume the villain role unlike the three I mentioned. Because it comes out of nowhere.
I'll be honest I've never seen the Hans twist be described as "obvious". I'm not super into disney discourse stuff but the main complaint I've seen is that it comes out of nowhere and doesn't make a lot of sense for his character.
Im not going to lie, I was pissed when I originally watched the movie because I literally saw no signs. No ticks. Nothing to suggest he was a bad guy. To me it was annoying copout and I would have liked at least ONE semi-obvious sign! A smirk when her backs turned! Hesitation to save Elsa! Instead it felt like he did all the right things and in the end just changed... because? Like he wasnt set up to take over the kingdom? He wasnt in such a high position with the people of the city to incite a revolution? So was his whole plan to just wait? He couldnt have seen the whole freezing heart thing coming. I was just confused and honestly angry that the plot didnt connect at all. Looking back i still dont see signs.
Hans would have worked as a twist villain if his scene where he meets Anna ended after he fell in the water, before he popped back up with that dopey smile.
Indeed. Would've made it look less jarring in hindsight.
The twist caught me so off guard as a kid
It's been confirmed there were several rewrites up until the end of development, he wasn't even supposed to be a twist villain. I don't mind, but they needed some sort of foreshadowing, even if not obvious. It came out of nowhere because it was never even hinted at, and that's bad writing.
Na you are wrong
I think the only thing that can somewhat hint at Han’s being shady is the fact that he claimed one of own brothers tried pretending he didn’t exist for the past 4 years. That’s sounds more like disownment rather than your average sibling teasing. Kinda makes one wonder what Han’s did because you gotta be pretty shitty brother if your own sibling would rather pretend you don’t exist.
Hans in once upon a time is BEST VILLAIN!😀 He live action one is BEST 😃😃😃 In animation one so NOT!!! BOTH Robin Hood & Beauty and the Beast! Robin said: Hey! Mary, we we're kids. Let's get married 😮 and also Belle said: He Handsome alright, rude and Continued 😮 disney! DID BEFORE THEY'RE DID IT!!! Animation Hans beat up more 12 brothers, and he's dad too.....🤕🤕🤕
9:44 respectfully no he pulled it up if he wanted her dead aim down.
You forgot one element “ remembrance”. The more classical villains like maleficent, Jafar, evil queen, scar and Carella are all rememberable characters because you know what they want. Heck even so more modern villains like Oogie boogie, mother Gothel, Mr. Waternoose, and syndrome are all rememberable villains too. Prince Hans on the other hand is not that rememberable and Plus Gustan is it better subverted Prince Charming
he was meh. like he felt bland in both roles. this could have been fixed with a little animation however. his expressions before the switch was pretty much plain cookie prince whom is wholesome. like simple tweaks to his physical behavior to show ever so slightly he is struggling to play a role would have made him better. maybe a slight smile when he talks to elsa or have his eyes dulled when he is dealing with those he plots to kill. simple things, just small, and it wouldn't be so jarring. if they are gonna have him go full evil, at least let him look like he is enjoying himself.
Hans was not obvious, but it was a poor writing choice and didn't make sense as soon as you thought even a little bit about it after you got out of the theater seeing Frozen.
Every Disney villain from the 1930s to the early 2000s yes they were all obvious villains. But Hans was obvious bull sh##t! I don't even like frozen that much. Even I'll say he's the reason Disney keeps recycling the twist villain throp so much.
It's weird because for me your point in this video is not relevant.. 😅
For me the twist just came of nowhere. And his action before the twist didn't make sense.. Why he did not killed Elsa in the Ice Castle, ect ect..
My brother in Christ, YOU are the revisionist! He was neither well written OR obvious as a villain! Unless they secretly remade it and only gave you and your subscribers copies of the remake he was a trash villain who came out of nowhere. That being said I root for him when ever my brother puts on Frozen.
YOUR WRONG and I can explain exactly why! I mean the prince here wanted to marry into the royal family in less than 1 day more like 12 hrs or less! and that right there is a big red flag right off the bat! I mean come on!, there’s no longer development between the prince and princess and don't act like the one song was the end all be all to explain anything! and also I don't know even his body language was off and not natural at all!; like for example prince Eric even though he very much wanted to marry Ariel as soon as he could find her, his body language was more natural and not tense or rushed or anything!, he didn’t sit quite or idling in the background at all!, unlike Hans!
Keep bashing Snow White… a film made for adults during the Great Depression. Pathetic.