Some notes: 1. I apologize for the audio issues. I know at times it sounds like the audio is rattling. That's because I was talking way too closely to the microphone lol 2. I should point out that the reason Couch was forced to retire early was because of a shoulder injury. It became a nagging problem, and he was never the same player as a result. I glossed over that in the video. 3. Tim Couch actually got booed on week 5 2002, not week 4 like it says in the video. 4. I know the Gardocki clip has nothing to do with Tim Couch, but I thought I'd throw it in here anyway because it's a classic moment.
Fish King He could have been incredible. He did as good as humanly possible in his situation. Poor guy got his ass whooped every game because of that terrible offensive line.
We here in Cleveland have had so many bad QBS since 1999. Couch was a decent QB that got the short end of the stick. He is the only QB to lead the Browns to the playoffs. Him and Derek Anderson are the only ones with winning seasons in 2002 and 2007.
I grew up near Cleveland and played high school football there. I saw that game where some of the fans were cheering that he was injured and remembered feeling embarrassed and ashamed that they would do that. Tim had every right to be angry and I wouldn't blame him one bit if he hated Cleveland as a result. The fact that he doesn't is a testament to his character. The majority of us appreciated him for the efforts, respected him for getting up and dusting himself off after every pounding and wished he had more support from his teammates. I hope all is well with him and his family.
He averaged 12.8 TD passes a year, and 13.4 INT's a year in 5 years with the Browns, with 64 TD passes and 67 INT's. He averaged 2,226 pass yards a year for a career total of 11,131 pass yards. He set lots of national high school records at Leslie County High School in Hyden, Kentucky. He had the most completions (872), passing yardage (12,104), touchdown passes (132), and passing percentage for a season (75.1). He averaged 36 points a game in high school with a total of 3,023 points scored.
Very well made video. I love your music choices and editing. Btw I pretty much feel similar about Tim Couch and his legacy. When I think of busts I think of Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell. Tim actually had success in this league and could complete a forward pass.
To this day, 1 of my favorite Cleveland Browns players ever. He was put into an awful nearly impossible situation. When he cried, it made me appreciate him more. Where others saw weakness, I saw hurt and frustration from a player that have his all to a bad team.
The problem with Tim was he was too good and hyped out of college. If he would have went late in the first round and went to a team good team with a good O line, had a couple years to develop he could have been one of the greats. Instead he got hammered and beaten, leading to frustration and lack of confidence. He was a competitor and fighter. That should be respected.
Well done, dog! This video was right on point and much-needed! Yeah, while he wasn't the franchise QB we were looking for, he was the what if QB Browns fans still talk about 15 years after his last game with Cleveland! I can't wait for your Baker Mayfield retrospective in about 10-12 years! 😤 Go Browns!
He reminds me so much of Will Levis on the this Kentucky team in 2022. Although they look like a good solid team, they beat themselves to lose the first game of the season at Ole Miss and become 4-1, and will probably lose a couple more when they definitely shouldn't; all while Levis is pegged to be a top-ranked NFL draft pick. If only he had an O-Line to make him look like the star he his.
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Tim Couch was a good Qb for us during those “Glory Years” they were good times for sure and he will never be forgotten at the 1st Browns QB to do it since our return! Browns look great tonight though Baker went right down the field against the Redskins ! WOOF WOOF WOOF ! Go Browns !
Good video. Put a lot of things in perspective. No one was going to win in that town during that time. I don’t know how a pro player goes back out on a field in front of fans that cheered him being injured no matter how much money he got. That’s really despicable. Couch did always battle his ass off.
Thanks for the memories , bad offensive line and bad coaching : not his fault : I was at the game that the fans booed him. I was horrified. I knew then the fan base had changed. I missed the old stadium the old rules of the stadium. the old smelly bathrooms. the giant urinal where 10 people could piss at the same time. no cell phones. win or lose it was always a good time and we knew how to cheer and respect our team. and we were loud and rude to the opposing team. thanks again great vid
Matt Ryan once said Tim Couch was one of his favorite players. It makes me sad that Matt's legacy will go down like Tim Couch. A successful QB who had so many memorable moments but was on a team with no consistency and a horrid defense..
@@lil_keybo You didn't and the thing is Couch's case also involves lack of receiving targets and pass protection. Matt Ryan at least got to have that for the most part.
@iamhungey12345 so what you're saying is Tim Couch always had an excellent defense to compliment the offense and the browns were consistently good when he was there?
If Tim couch were drafted in 2020 he would be highly successful with the talent that the Browns have on the team currently. I always enjoyed watching Tim play I wish him all the best and love and happiness. Go Browns!!!!
I agree!!! I always will love Tim for the sacrifice he made for a “ new” team. I will always remember him for bringing football back to Cleveland no matter the record or stats! Great memories especially the Hail Mary against the saints! Just good memories with him!!
Very nice. I wish you had gone deeper into that 2003 game vs the Rams, That was one of the most inspired games we had played, we had no business even being close in that game and we made it very close. I remember Tim Couch both as being someone we always hoped could be better, but also someone who we were happy was at least good enough to give us a chance most of the time. When we were frustrated at him, we knew at the same time it was also him that made us hopeful enough to win. He was the girlfriend that would drive you crazy but always keep you hanging on. Judging from what has happened since, those almost seem like the best of years. We were scrappy at wide receiver and Tim Couch was often frustrating, but there seemed to be a lot of fight in those teams. A lot of that had to do with Butch Davis I think.
They really were the best of years, sadly. The Browns were still a revered franchise because all the losing hadn't happened yet. I wish Al Lerner survived. He told Butch Davis he was going to give him 10 years to get it turned around. While that may be an exaggeration, I really think he would've given him a long time and we would be better off today. Butch was a fine coach, just a terrible talent evaluator. Al probably would've talked some sense into Butch and had him relinquish GM duties.
@@RamenRobbie From what I remember after Davis left, he said he really couldn't handle the stress. He said he had panic attacks while working in his office. Jeff Garcia also made comments after leaving about the negativity of the environment. It seems the media/fans/ownership really can become an undefeatable three-headed monster to players and coaches. Who do you like for HC Ramen? Are you more happy or disappointed that there is going to be HC/GM turnover?
@@max-ru6cz For HC, I don't know who I want. There are so many options out there, some of which I know nothing about, like the 49ers DC. I really wanted Bruce Arians last year. I can't believe they didn't even interview him. At first I was very upset about John Dorsey getting fired, but things I've been reading lead me to believe the move was necessary. Apparently he was a control freak and he only hired Freddie because he knew he could control him. That's a fireable offense because you're jeopardizing the teams success just so you can be in control. Of course I'm upset there's going to be more turnover but I think it had to be done.
@@RamenRobbie It sounds like we have been on the same journey in learning about the Dorsey firing. If anything, it sounds like they figured out a key problem that caused the entire Kitchens debacle. I'm glad they are trying to get everybody on the same page rather than trying to cram pieces together that wouldn't fit. Here's to next year!
@@max-ru6cz It's all just a shame. I was hoping Dorsey would learn from his mistakes in KC, but he didn't, and in the end he couldn't get out of his own way. Sad. That front office of Dorsey, Wolf, and Highsmith had a lot of promise. I thought for sure we'd be on the Steelers and Ravens level in another year or two. Oh well. Cheers to next year, as you said.
Great video man. I remember the gardocki/porter play and wouldnt ya know he would go on to punt for the steelers a few years later lol Another thing I realized recently is after Holcombs performance in 2002 playoffs the steelers were so impressed they hired Arians away from us 😅😭
Having gone to high school at Leslie County High with Tim and playing basketball with him, I'd like to say he was a great athlete on the court and the field. Playing on the next level at UK he had a really good college career but going to the Browns as a new expansion team they didn't have it together. I feel that his pro career was shortened because he didn't have the protection he needed as a QB and the result of this is many sacks and injuries not to mention this beat down his confidence as a great QB. If he had been selected by anyone besides the Browns he would have had a great pro career as say Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Might have even had a championship ring.
I hate these teams who always say “we’re going to let him sit behind a veteran and learn for a year”. It always ends with the rookie being named the starter by week 5. It’s especially fucking stupid to do it when your team sucks and you have a Swiss cheese offensive line.
While I have never been a Couch fan I have appreciated his commentary during the Browns' preseason games. I wanted the team to draft Donovan McNabb. Tim threw beautiful deep passes but his intermediate passes needed improvement. I recently found out that he was injured during his senior year at Kentucky. The team failed to build a competent offensive line in front of Tim. In addition, Tim needed a capable offensive to direct his career. The lack of a solid offensive line kept Bernie Kosar from winning a Super Bowl. However, both quarterbacks are first rate people who have special place in the heart of Cleveland fans.
Funny, I'm an Eagles fan and I wanted Philly to draft Tim Couch lol. (Imagine how that would've worked out? McNabb in Cleveland and Couch in Philly) I always thought highly of Couch, and agree he was just thrown to the wolves. He could've been so much more on a better team or in a better situation. Even if he were allowed to sit the whole first year out behind Detmer, I think that would've done him a lot of good. Wasted potential. Sad.
No, You were not the first to make a video on Tim Couch. I found one a couple months ago. It was not as good or detailed. An it was done by a non Browns fan. I was really wanting a good detailed Tim Couch video. I had been looking for one for awhile. An you nailed it!
I would not call him a bust. Also he retired because of a shoulder injury. An I think that shoulder injury started one of the first years in the NFL. I still very much love Tim Couch. He was the first QB I saw play for the Browns in my life.
I'm actually from Leslie county. My high school makes the biggest deal out of him. He was actually friends with my father. Found him in an old yearbook
22:00 Born and raised in Seattle. I unfortunately remember when Couch got injured on this play. I felt so bad for him. He got hit high and low on that play, but that just showed the ongoing issue: He didn't have the offensive line to protect him.
Had he had an Oline and not gotten injured he would’ve been great. He had that clutch ness in him. Glad to see he and the Browns mended fences last year and that he does more pre season games. Baker is going to be the guy that pulls us out of this funk!
He had franchise QB potential he was just misused in a bad situation on a bad team...Tim had come out of college without reading a playbook he needed to be on a stable franchise with stablilty top to bottom and a secure coaching staff to grow and groom him have 1 year learn the offense take that year in the draft to build an offensive around him its clear he was never confident or comfortable....if he goes to Philly in that draft instead of McNabb with Reid there HE leads them to 4 straight NFC Championship games
I don't know if Tim would've been a great QB under any circumstance; I personally see him as more of an Alex Smith, a guy you can win with but not elite. But he was a legit NFL QB and his character was impeccable: he was tough, worked hard, and always represented the team and the city with class. He didn't win a ton of games, but he led the Browns to wins in some games they had no business winning. I think he's more appreciated in Cleveland now than when he played, and he should be.
He had a lot of potential coming out of Kentucky. Unfortunately the Browns shattered his confidence to the point his own fans cheered him while he was HURT.
Being from Philadelphia, I'm an Eagles fan. I wanted the Eagles to pick Couch that year, instead Philly went with McNabb and the rest is history. But I secretly root for Cleveland all the time. The team has a rich history, i love rooting for the underdog and honestly, I really love the ugly ass uniforms lol. I was always a fan of Tim Couch. He didn't get a fair shot. And I firmly believe, even if Tom Brady went to the Browns during that time, I really do think he would've never lasted in the league. Couch WAS a good qb, that just never received a fair shot. Great video Robbie.
Tim really never had a chance, but he did have his moments. I wanted to draft Ricky Williams, but who am I? I was always on Couch's side during the QB conflict. Holcomb couldn't even throw the ball 50 yards in warm-ups before the game. The big game vs the steelers in the playoffs Holcomb had was in very sloppy mud where DBs absolutely could not cover. Machine gun Maddax had 383 that game too if my memory serves. Couch was an unfinished story IMO and injury really ended his NFL career. He is a rich man and married a playboy centerfold, so it certainly didn't go that bad for him. Davis did build the Browns to a playoff team, but he also destroyed that team by creating the QB conflict.
@NBA Live 2001 The entire Browns road would have been different though. He might have retired to smoke weed sooner if he was with the Browns though : )
Imagine in todays NFL never drafting an OL before the 4th round while having a franchise QB and an expansion team, then blame the QB for sucking or being injured
The Browns made 32 draft selections in Couch’s first 3 years in the NFL. 2 of those 32 picks were used on offensive linemen, one in the 6th round and one in the 7th. It’s amazing that Couch didn’t get fucking killed
Tim Couch was the last Browns QB to win in Pittsburgh, and the only one to put up a respectable record against them. He could play. For all the shit Browns fans give their team since their return, the Butch Davis Browns were an under appreciated and gritty team that was competitive. They didn’t win, but they were not a National embarrassment. The dude was a completely mismanaged talent surrounded by a crappy team, just like the majority of Browns QB’s since 1999. It wasn’t his fault at all, and I just feel bad for him.
Cleveland Browns leaving Cleveland was one of the first moves that made me shake my head in disgust about sports I've only visited Cleveland but I can tell that they are very passionate and they live and die every Sunday around their team just like the other mistake on the lake the Buffalo Bills my hometown born and raised I could not imagine our team ever being taken away from us we are probably is closed Has any team is to a franchise and I know Cleveland was as well I think we Embrace their fans that next season to come to Rich Stadium and celebrate with us is honorary Buffalo Bills fans yet where your Browns gear and you get just as much respect I just cannot believe that Cleveland football team was taken away I know how that must feel be the same if the bills left town
I was born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up. I think that he could have been solid, if he had a better team behind him. Expansion teams almost always start way behind the 8-Ball.
I can't see calling a quarterback a bust when you're drafted by an expansion team. I thought in 2003 he should have been the starter. He was given a raw deal that year.
Tim Couch and David Carr always get the bust label. Unfairly imo. I’ve always wondered how things would’ve turned out if McNabb went to Cleveland and Couch went to Philadelphia.
Tim had one receiver while he was in Cleveland, Kevin Johnson. Other than that he was throwing to a bunch of rocks. He had countless interceptions that were a result of good passes bouncing of those rocks.
Great Video...reminds me of David Carr. All the skills and ability in the world but was on the Wrong team . The Texans O - Line was notoriously bad. Carr got sacked 76 times one season! And they never had a good Run game which is a good tool for a good offense. But it starts in the trenches! That O - Line is the foundation from which you build and execute the rest of the offense. Derek Carr would show flashes of his cannon arm the few times he played as a backup the rest of his career with the Panthers, 49ers and the Giants..... the latter of which he played like 5 or 6 seasons as a backup. Fun fact in 2006 Carr's last year with Houston he had a completion percentage of 68%! That's impressive. 04' was his best year statistically.....getting sacked 50 times and hurried another 100 🤦♂️
A lot of would be great quarterbacks just went to the wrong place at the wrong time. If you stick Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers in Tim Couch’s situation they don’t turn out the same way. A lot more than talent of the player goes into making them a great quarterback a lot has to go right for you in terms of your development.
11:35 I hate that the fans did that. Smh Browns fans at they're most pethetic. The football gods were not happy so they made the Browns the terrible laughing stock of the NFL for the next 18 years. Haha That's Karma for ya.
It used to really annoy me that one of the biggest complaints about Couch was that "he can't throw downfield." He needed at least a few seconds for his receivers to GET downfield! A great talent in an impossible situation. Best fans in America? I have found that in Ohio, the fans can be amongst the most hateful and vindictive.
Props Browns NFL rooting for them to win minus North. I’m 49ers fan had Garcia 4 year run drought till 2010. Alex, Collin & Jimmy but they went 2 SBs lost crushing fashion. But Brown loyalty is epic congrats on playoffs finally 2020.
I was so mad the Browns didn't take Donovan McNabb or Ricky Williams Couch wasn't a bust at all .. Couch was better than Baker Mayfield yes if Couch had Chubb Obj Landry Hunt etc he would have rings yes I said it ..
Man they had Kevin Johnson that wide receiver out of Syracuse who was so secretly underrated imagine how he would have been with another team in the NFL who had their act together at the time offensive line quarterback that guy was great on a bad Cleveland team just being rebuilt you don't hear a lot of people talk about him
Johnson got cut in 03 and never caught on with another team. He went to Jacksonville, who at the time had their shit together but he could never get the reps again. I thought he was a great possession receiver and did great for the Browns. One of the best new Browns players.
@@MikeBrown-go1pc yeah he went to Jacksonville because they had those receivers they drafted Matt Jones that big kid who should have been a tight end wait for University of Washington I think I forgot his name? And they still had Jimmy Smith and I want to say? So he was buried on the depth chart
@@MikeBrown-go1pc I always root for the Browns is my second-favorite team being born and raised in Buffalo we feel your pain so I was rooting for you guys you guys I don't think I've ever had a wide receiver that was an All-Star? Josh Gordon showed flashes mixed with weed Smoke the kids are drafted from Michigan who is escaping my name right now was okay I thought you guys always drafted pretty good who drafted that Center out of Michigan in 03 Jeff fine is your Cornerstone for that offense of line was a good move Joe Thomas even Joe Haden was a good pic you guys drafted that McCutchen cornerback out of USC that one year there's didn't draft many busts you needed a quarterback so will you grab Brady Quinn but it made sense at the time he was the only one out there your front office didn't make many personal mistakes
I think Brady Quinn had too big of biceps to throw accurate. He gets the all-time QB award for most shreded biceps, but was a horrible NFL QB for some reason. Horrible. Braylon Edwards is the guy out of Michigan. He had to have made the pro bowl in 2007. He broke the Browns rec TD record with like 16 that year. After that he could never catch a football again. Strangest thing... He could only catch impossible balls after 2007, but would drop every 12 yard out that hit him in the hands. Must have been mental...
Tim was really hurt by the "fans". Screw the Browns! I hope they continue to lose forever ! I am from KY. Right next to where Tim grew up . He is still a legend here!
Tim’s checkdown tendencies came from being in the Air Raid offense at Kentucky. Being thrown into an expansion team with no O-line…probably made it worse
TC was not a bust...injuries to key players and no power running to equate for in that hell power running division...Eddie George, Jerone Bettis/ Bam Morris, Fred Taylor/ James Stewart Jamal Lewis/ Priest Holmes/ Corey Dillon...Cleveland had no power running...although Cleveland could've gotten Santana Moss, Andre Johnson, Ed Reed, Clinton Portius...but all they got was William Green, Northcutt, and Kevin Johnson...
Some notes:
1. I apologize for the audio issues. I know at times it sounds like the audio is rattling. That's because I was talking way too closely to the microphone lol
2. I should point out that the reason Couch was forced to retire early was because of a shoulder injury. It became a nagging problem, and he was never the same player as a result. I glossed over that in the video.
3. Tim Couch actually got booed on week 5 2002, not week 4 like it says in the video.
4. I know the Gardocki clip has nothing to do with Tim Couch, but I thought I'd throw it in here anyway because it's a classic moment.
How long did it take to make this vid
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I'm loving this Expansion Browns content!
Awesome video man really good job
I feel bad for Tim. Wrong place at the wrong time, but I agree I appreciate all he gave us.
I actually went to the same high school he went to. My dad was his friend I found a year book with Tim Couch in it.
Fish King He could have been incredible. He did as good as humanly possible in his situation. Poor guy got his ass whooped every game because of that terrible offensive line.
@@appalachianmenace69420 That’s awesome
Tim was fun to watch. Maybe middle of the road. But he was a competitor on a rough team. I always enjoyed hes fight.
Tim looks great and looks as if can still play the game.
Tim couch was a real deal, a real talent. The problem is no rookie QB should start an expansion team let alone the Cleveland Browns.
Not his fault. He didn't have much help.
Right, NO Oline what so ever
Mans is my cousin
We here in Cleveland have had so many bad QBS since 1999. Couch was a decent QB that got the short end of the stick. He is the only QB to lead the Browns to the playoffs. Him and Derek Anderson are the only ones with winning seasons in 2002 and 2007.
He sucked.
@@joshcouch2602 dude thats my cousin tf
I grew up near Cleveland and played high school football there. I saw that game where some of the fans were cheering that he was injured and remembered feeling embarrassed and ashamed that they would do that. Tim had every right to be angry and I wouldn't blame him one bit if he hated Cleveland as a result. The fact that he doesn't is a testament to his character. The majority of us appreciated him for the efforts, respected him for getting up and dusting himself off after every pounding and wished he had more support from his teammates. I hope all is well with him and his family.
He averaged 12.8 TD passes a year, and 13.4 INT's a year in 5 years with the Browns, with 64 TD passes and 67 INT's. He averaged 2,226 pass yards a year for a career total of 11,131 pass yards. He set lots of national high school records at Leslie County High School in Hyden, Kentucky. He had the most completions (872), passing yardage (12,104), touchdown passes (132), and passing percentage for a season (75.1). He averaged 36 points a game in high school with a total of 3,023 points scored.
Thank you for doing this. Tim is a good guy that didn't deserve the hate he received.
Very well made video. I love your music choices and editing. Btw I pretty much feel similar about Tim Couch and his legacy. When I think of busts I think of Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell. Tim actually had success in this league and could complete a forward pass.
To this day, 1 of my favorite Cleveland Browns players ever. He was put into an awful nearly impossible situation. When he cried, it made me appreciate him more. Where others saw weakness, I saw hurt and frustration from a player that have his all to a bad team.
tim couch is from my county and is my cousin lol, this is one of the best vids ive seen in a while, keep up the hard work
@i_Plagues hes not your dad lmao
Kissing cousin
This is one of the best UA-cam videos I've seen in quite a long time. Keep up the great work 👍👍
The problem with Tim was he was too good and hyped out of college. If he would have went late in the first round and went to a team good team with a good O line, had a couple years to develop he could have been one of the greats. Instead he got hammered and beaten, leading to frustration and lack of confidence. He was a competitor and fighter. That should be respected.
Well done, dog! This video was right on point and much-needed! Yeah, while he wasn't the franchise QB we were looking for, he was the what if QB Browns fans still talk about 15 years after his last game with Cleveland! I can't wait for your Baker Mayfield retrospective in about 10-12 years! 😤
Go Browns!
Boy did that baker mayfield comment age like fine wine lol
He reminds me so much of Will Levis on the this Kentucky team in 2022. Although they look like a good solid team, they beat themselves to lose the first game of the season at Ole Miss and become 4-1, and will probably lose a couple more when they definitely shouldn't; all while Levis is pegged to be a top-ranked NFL draft pick. If only he had an O-Line to make him look like the star he his.
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Tim Couch was a good Qb for us during those “Glory Years” they were good times for sure and he will never be forgotten at the 1st Browns QB to do it since our return! Browns look great tonight though Baker went right down the field against the Redskins ! WOOF WOOF WOOF ! Go Browns !
Great video, man! Sorry to hear about your grandmother’s passing.
Good video. Put a lot of things in perspective. No one was going to win in that town during that time. I don’t know how a pro player goes back out on a field in front of fans that cheered him being injured no matter how much money he got. That’s really despicable. Couch did always battle his ass off.
Thanks for the memories , bad offensive line and bad coaching : not his fault : I was at the game that the fans booed him. I was horrified. I knew then the fan base had changed. I missed the old stadium the old rules of the stadium. the old smelly bathrooms. the giant urinal where 10 people could piss at the same time. no cell phones. win or lose it was always a good time and we knew how to cheer and respect our team. and we were loud and rude to the opposing team. thanks again great vid
Tim couch you're truly a one dream wonder for the Cleveland Browns.
Matt Ryan once said Tim Couch was one of his favorite players. It makes me sad that Matt's legacy will go down like Tim Couch. A successful QB who had so many memorable moments but was on a team with no consistency and a horrid defense..
Matt Ryan's situation doesn't come close to Couch's.
@iamhungey12345 did I say that? I'm pretty sure I stated the one reason that their careers are similar.
@@lil_keybo You didn't and the thing is Couch's case also involves lack of receiving targets and pass protection. Matt Ryan at least got to have that for the most part.
@iamhungey12345 so what you're saying is Tim Couch always had an excellent defense to compliment the offense and the browns were consistently good when he was there?
@@lil_keybo Where in my post did I say that? Way to put words in my post when you claimed Ryan's situation was anywhere near comparable to Couch's.
I maintain that Couch was the best qb the browns drafted after their return to the nfl.Baker is too young to say hes better yet, but he will be.
Salvation Sal Gaming baker is overrated
project awesome get out of here
Pretty sure it’s safe to say Baker is better now
@@projectawesome5675 LMAO says the OSU fan.. What a joke
@@cancelanime1507 He had better situation than Couch though.
If Tim couch were drafted in 2020 he would be highly successful with the talent that the Browns have on the team currently. I always enjoyed watching Tim play I wish him all the best and love and happiness. Go Browns!!!!
I agree!!! I always will love Tim for the sacrifice he made for a “ new” team. I will always remember him for bringing football back to Cleveland no matter the record or stats! Great memories especially the Hail Mary against the saints! Just good memories with him!!
Very nice. I wish you had gone deeper into that 2003 game vs the Rams, That was one of the most inspired games we had played, we had no business even being close in that game and we made it very close.
I remember Tim Couch both as being someone we always hoped could be better, but also someone who we were happy was at least good enough to give us a chance most of the time. When we were frustrated at him, we knew at the same time it was also him that made us hopeful enough to win. He was the girlfriend that would drive you crazy but always keep you hanging on.
Judging from what has happened since, those almost seem like the best of years. We were scrappy at wide receiver and Tim Couch was often frustrating, but there seemed to be a lot of fight in those teams. A lot of that had to do with Butch Davis I think.
They really were the best of years, sadly. The Browns were still a revered franchise because all the losing hadn't happened yet. I wish Al Lerner survived. He told Butch Davis he was going to give him 10 years to get it turned around. While that may be an exaggeration, I really think he would've given him a long time and we would be better off today. Butch was a fine coach, just a terrible talent evaluator. Al probably would've talked some sense into Butch and had him relinquish GM duties.
@@RamenRobbie
From what I remember after Davis left, he said he really couldn't handle the stress. He said he had panic attacks while working in his office. Jeff Garcia also made comments after leaving about the negativity of the environment. It seems the media/fans/ownership really can become an undefeatable three-headed monster to players and coaches.
Who do you like for HC Ramen? Are you more happy or disappointed that there is going to be HC/GM turnover?
@@max-ru6cz For HC, I don't know who I want. There are so many options out there, some of which I know nothing about, like the 49ers DC. I really wanted Bruce Arians last year. I can't believe they didn't even interview him. At first I was very upset about John Dorsey getting fired, but things I've been reading lead me to believe the move was necessary. Apparently he was a control freak and he only hired Freddie because he knew he could control him. That's a fireable offense because you're jeopardizing the teams success just so you can be in control. Of course I'm upset there's going to be more turnover but I think it had to be done.
@@RamenRobbie It sounds like we have been on the same journey in learning about the Dorsey firing. If anything, it sounds like they figured out a key problem that caused the entire Kitchens debacle. I'm glad they are trying to get everybody on the same page rather than trying to cram pieces together that wouldn't fit. Here's to next year!
@@max-ru6cz It's all just a shame. I was hoping Dorsey would learn from his mistakes in KC, but he didn't, and in the end he couldn't get out of his own way. Sad. That front office of Dorsey, Wolf, and Highsmith had a lot of promise. I thought for sure we'd be on the Steelers and Ravens level in another year or two. Oh well. Cheers to next year, as you said.
I grew up with Couch, he'll always be my favorite.
I’m not a browns fan , but your content is amazing, keep working hard bro
Logan Toth same here. Not a browns fan but Tim Couch really got me cheering for him and the browns.
Great video man.
I remember the gardocki/porter play and wouldnt ya know he would go on to punt for the steelers a few years later lol
Another thing I realized recently is after Holcombs performance in 2002 playoffs the steelers were so impressed they hired Arians away from us 😅😭
Having gone to high school at Leslie County High with Tim and playing basketball with him, I'd like to say he was a great athlete on the court and the field. Playing on the next level at UK he had a really good college career but going to the Browns as a new expansion team they didn't have it together. I feel that his pro career was shortened because he didn't have the protection he needed as a QB and the result of this is many sacks and injuries not to mention this beat down his confidence as a great QB. If he had been selected by anyone besides the Browns he would have had a great pro career as say Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Might have even had a championship ring.
Love this content man, keep it up
I hate these teams who always say “we’re going to let him sit behind a veteran and learn for a year”. It always ends with the rookie being named the starter by week 5. It’s especially fucking stupid to do it when your team sucks and you have a Swiss cheese offensive line.
While I have never been a Couch fan I have appreciated his commentary during the Browns' preseason games. I wanted the team to draft Donovan McNabb. Tim threw beautiful deep passes but his intermediate passes needed improvement. I recently found out that he was injured during his senior year at Kentucky. The team failed to build a competent offensive line in front of Tim. In addition, Tim needed a capable offensive to direct his career. The lack of a solid offensive line kept Bernie Kosar from winning a Super Bowl. However, both quarterbacks are first rate people who have special place in the heart of Cleveland fans.
Funny, I'm an Eagles fan and I wanted Philly to draft Tim Couch lol. (Imagine how that would've worked out? McNabb in Cleveland and Couch in Philly) I always thought highly of Couch, and agree he was just thrown to the wolves. He could've been so much more on a better team or in a better situation. Even if he were allowed to sit the whole first year out behind Detmer, I think that would've done him a lot of good. Wasted potential. Sad.
No, You were not the first to make a video on Tim Couch. I found one a couple months ago. It was not as good or detailed. An it was done by a non Browns fan. I was really wanting a good detailed Tim Couch video. I had been looking for one for awhile. An you nailed it!
I would not call him a bust. Also he retired because of a shoulder injury. An I think that shoulder injury started one of the first years in the NFL. I still very much love Tim Couch. He was the first QB I saw play for the Browns in my life.
Not a bust at all. If Couch goes to the Eagles instead of McNabb, their careers are entirely different.
I'm actually from Leslie county. My high school makes the biggest deal out of him. He was actually friends with my father. Found him in an old yearbook
22:00 Born and raised in Seattle. I unfortunately remember when Couch got injured on this play. I felt so bad for him. He got hit high and low on that play, but that just showed the ongoing issue: He didn't have the offensive line to protect him.
i just found this channel, and i like the video topics. keep up the good work and never stop getting better !
Had he had an Oline and not gotten injured he would’ve been great. He had that clutch ness in him. Glad to see he and the Browns mended fences last year and that he does more pre season games. Baker is going to be the guy that pulls us out of this funk!
He joined an expansion franchise and was thrown in as starter way too early. This “bust” talk is ridiculous.
He had franchise QB potential he was just misused in a bad situation on a bad team...Tim had come out of college without reading a playbook he needed to be on a stable franchise with stablilty top to bottom and a secure coaching staff to grow and groom him have 1 year learn the offense take that year in the draft to build an offensive around him its clear he was never confident or comfortable....if he goes to Philly in that draft instead of McNabb with Reid there HE leads them to 4 straight NFC Championship games
Dare I say Couch would've led the team to 4 consecutive Super Bowl appearances...
@@trevonpernell0814 I mean that’s a bit of stretch but I do think he would have been one of the leagues best if he had a better situation
@@cancelanime1507 Definitely. If he had a Bruce Arians or Andy Reid as his head coach, he would've done wonders in the NFL.
12:37 how
Ikr
He could have been so good
Again a great video.
Appreciate all the work. Found my home fir my Browns fix
Baker started all 16 games this past year, but he also had his sophomore slump, so there's that.
I don't know if Tim would've been a great QB under any circumstance; I personally see him as more of an Alex Smith, a guy you can win with but not elite. But he was a legit NFL QB and his character was impeccable: he was tough, worked hard, and always represented the team and the city with class. He didn't win a ton of games, but he led the Browns to wins in some games they had no business winning. I think he's more appreciated in Cleveland now than when he played, and he should be.
Tim Couch had the same issue as David Carr being drafted by an expansion team.
He had a lot of potential coming out of Kentucky. Unfortunately the Browns shattered his confidence to the point his own fans cheered him while he was HURT.
Money isn't everything, but I hope at the very least, he earned a lot of money, because of the physical and fan abuse he endured.
RIP YOUR GRADMOTHER i know how it fells man RIP
Being from Philadelphia, I'm an Eagles fan. I wanted the Eagles to pick Couch that year, instead Philly went with McNabb and the rest is history. But I secretly root for Cleveland all the time. The team has a rich history, i love rooting for the underdog and honestly, I really love the ugly ass uniforms lol. I was always a fan of Tim Couch. He didn't get a fair shot. And I firmly believe, even if Tom Brady went to the Browns during that time, I really do think he would've never lasted in the league. Couch WAS a good qb, that just never received a fair shot. Great video Robbie.
Great vid as usual
I remember my heart sinking when he was drafted to the Browns. He deserved a better cast around him.
Tim really never had a chance, but he did have his moments. I wanted to draft Ricky Williams, but who am I? I was always on Couch's side during the QB conflict. Holcomb couldn't even throw the ball 50 yards in warm-ups before the game. The big game vs the steelers in the playoffs Holcomb had was in very sloppy mud where DBs absolutely could not cover. Machine gun Maddax had 383 that game too if my memory serves.
Couch was an unfinished story IMO and injury really ended his NFL career. He is a rich man and married a playboy centerfold, so it certainly didn't go that bad for him. Davis did build the Browns to a playoff team, but he also destroyed that team by creating the QB conflict.
Imagine Ricky Williams retiring from the Browns in his prime to smoke weed in Australia. I probably would have never done a weed :0
@NBA Live 2001 The entire Browns road would have been different though. He might have retired to smoke weed sooner if he was with the Browns though : )
The first of many air raid offense quarterbacks to have it rough at the next level
Imagine in todays NFL never drafting an OL before the 4th round while having a franchise QB and an expansion team, then blame the QB for sucking or being injured
The Browns made 32 draft selections in Couch’s first 3 years in the NFL.
2 of those 32 picks were used on offensive linemen, one in the 6th round and one in the 7th.
It’s amazing that Couch didn’t get fucking killed
He was thrown into an impossible situation. Not many rookie QBs would have been successful in that situation.
Tim Couch was the last Browns QB to win in Pittsburgh, and the only one to put up a respectable record against them. He could play. For all the shit Browns fans give their team since their return, the Butch Davis Browns were an under appreciated and gritty team that was competitive. They didn’t win, but they were not a National embarrassment.
The dude was a completely mismanaged talent surrounded by a crappy team, just like the majority of Browns QB’s since 1999. It wasn’t his fault at all, and I just feel bad for him.
Tim couch looks like ryan tanahill mispelled
thanks show is video of the Browns.
Not even Tom Brady could win in Cleveland.
@A Fridge Too Far exactly
Only Baker Mayfield
@@cancelanime1507 and derek anderson
(For like 1 year lol)
love your channel bro, keep it up. go browns
Cleveland Browns leaving Cleveland was one of the first moves that made me shake my head in disgust about sports I've only visited Cleveland but I can tell that they are very passionate and they live and die every Sunday around their team just like the other mistake on the lake the Buffalo Bills my hometown born and raised I could not imagine our team ever being taken away from us we are probably is closed Has any team is to a franchise and I know Cleveland was as well I think we Embrace their fans that next season to come to Rich Stadium and celebrate with us is honorary Buffalo Bills fans yet where your Browns gear and you get just as much respect I just cannot believe that Cleveland football team was taken away I know how that must feel be the same if the bills left town
Shiddd browns,oilers,sonics all was triflin for leaving lol tho I'm from kc and I'm still salty our team left to go to Sacramento of all places
Best 2-14 team ever🏈
3:54, That titans player just darted himself in the air 😂
Glad we have these uniforms back...
Go Browns!!!
I was born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up. I think that he could have been solid, if he had a better team behind him. Expansion teams almost always start way behind the 8-Ball.
I thought I was the only one who thought Couch wasn't that bad until I saw this video
I can't see calling a quarterback a bust when you're drafted by an expansion team. I thought in 2003 he should have been the starter. He was given a raw deal that year.
Tim Couch and David Carr always get the bust label. Unfairly imo. I’ve always wondered how things would’ve turned out if McNabb went to Cleveland and Couch went to Philadelphia.
great video
I’m a die hard Browns fan Couch wasn’t a bust, they fed him to the wolves and never recovered from it, not his fault...
Great vid
He got a bad rap, the O line Sucked, he was always on his back.
Tim had one receiver while he was in Cleveland, Kevin Johnson. Other than that he was throwing to a bunch of rocks. He had countless interceptions that were a result of good passes bouncing of those rocks.
Cleveland already dealt their Kevin Johnson away to Phoenix in the 80s
Couch was one of the decent QBs of the early 2000s.
He beat Pitts more than once...those are browny points...
Great Video...reminds me of David Carr. All the skills and ability in the world but was on the Wrong team . The Texans O - Line was notoriously bad. Carr got sacked 76 times one season! And they never had a good Run game which is a good tool for a good offense. But it starts in the trenches! That O - Line is the foundation from which you build and execute the rest of the offense. Derek Carr would show flashes of his cannon arm the few times he played as a backup the rest of his career with the Panthers, 49ers and the Giants..... the latter of which he played like 5 or 6 seasons as a backup. Fun fact in 2006 Carr's last year with Houston he had a completion percentage of 68%! That's impressive. 04' was his best year statistically.....getting sacked 50 times and hurried another 100 🤦♂️
A lot of would be great quarterbacks just went to the wrong place at the wrong time. If you stick Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers in Tim Couch’s situation they don’t turn out the same way. A lot more than talent of the player goes into making them a great quarterback a lot has to go right for you in terms of your development.
Being the Qb Of 1st year expansion is ROUGH
Tim Couch did the best with what the Browns gave him.
Imagine if Tim Couch was here today. KC would not have a prayer.
2:37 watching this on the day the NFL did away with preseason overtime games.
Now you have Baker Mayfield going for 11-3 on a Monday Night.
11:35 I hate that the fans did that. Smh Browns fans at they're most pethetic. The football gods were not happy so they made the Browns the terrible laughing stock of the NFL for the next 18 years. Haha That's Karma for ya.
Good vid
It used to really annoy me that one of the biggest complaints about Couch was that "he can't throw downfield."
He needed at least a few seconds for his receivers to GET downfield!
A great talent in an impossible situation. Best fans in America? I have found that in Ohio, the fans can be amongst the most hateful and vindictive.
Props Browns NFL rooting for them to win minus North. I’m 49ers fan had Garcia 4 year run drought till 2010. Alex, Collin & Jimmy but they went 2 SBs lost crushing fashion. But Brown loyalty is epic congrats on playoffs finally 2020.
He's not a bust. The team ruined his potential.
I was so mad the Browns didn't take Donovan McNabb or Ricky Williams
Couch wasn't a bust at all ..
Couch was better than Baker Mayfield yes if Couch had Chubb Obj Landry Hunt etc he would have rings yes I said it ..
Man they had Kevin Johnson that wide receiver out of Syracuse who was so secretly underrated imagine how he would have been with another team in the NFL who had their act together at the time offensive line quarterback that guy was great on a bad Cleveland team just being rebuilt you don't hear a lot of people talk about him
Johnson got cut in 03 and never caught on with another team. He went to Jacksonville, who at the time had their shit together but he could never get the reps again. I thought he was a great possession receiver and did great for the Browns. One of the best new Browns players.
@@MikeBrown-go1pc yeah he went to Jacksonville because they had those receivers they drafted Matt Jones that big kid who should have been a tight end wait for University of Washington I think I forgot his name? And they still had Jimmy Smith and I want to say? So he was buried on the depth chart
@@MikeBrown-go1pc I always root for the Browns is my second-favorite team being born and raised in Buffalo we feel your pain so I was rooting for you guys you guys I don't think I've ever had a wide receiver that was an All-Star? Josh Gordon showed flashes mixed with weed Smoke the kids are drafted from Michigan who is escaping my name right now was okay I thought you guys always drafted pretty good who drafted that Center out of Michigan in 03 Jeff fine is your Cornerstone for that offense of line was a good move Joe Thomas even Joe Haden was a good pic you guys drafted that McCutchen cornerback out of USC that one year there's didn't draft many busts you needed a quarterback so will you grab Brady Quinn but it made sense at the time he was the only one out there your front office didn't make many personal mistakes
I think Brady Quinn had too big of biceps to throw accurate. He gets the all-time QB award for most shreded biceps, but was a horrible NFL QB for some reason. Horrible. Braylon Edwards is the guy out of Michigan. He had to have made the pro bowl in 2007. He broke the Browns rec TD record with like 16 that year. After that he could never catch a football again. Strangest thing... He could only catch impossible balls after 2007, but would drop every 12 yard out that hit him in the hands. Must have been mental...
Tim was really hurt by the "fans". Screw the Browns! I hope they continue to lose forever ! I am from KY. Right next to where Tim grew up . He is still a legend here!
Tim’s checkdown tendencies came from being in the Air Raid offense at Kentucky. Being thrown into an expansion team with no O-line…probably made it worse
9:10 - why does this recording look like 1970's quality? I have recordings from that era that look much more clear.
do they do this on purpose?
It's because most highlights from that era are VHS rips. Only the NFL has the HD master tapes of older games.
@@RamenRobbie - thanks for the reply my dude!
Im really shocked he came to work in the city, fir the Browns... Must be the 💰
Hell of a quarterback
David carr and tim couch have the same exact story in the nfl
This is great! How long did it take to put together?!
TC was not a bust...injuries to key players and no power running to equate for in that hell power running division...Eddie George, Jerone Bettis/ Bam Morris, Fred Taylor/ James Stewart Jamal Lewis/ Priest Holmes/ Corey Dillon...Cleveland had no power running...although Cleveland could've gotten Santana Moss, Andre Johnson, Ed Reed, Clinton Portius...but all they got was William Green, Northcutt, and Kevin Johnson...