Size 5 Reed Challenge feat. Saxologic!

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    What is the strongest reed you've ever played on? I found a box of size 5 reeds and challenged Saxologic (aka Nathan Graybeal) to see if he (and I) could play it, or make any sound at all. Hope you enjoy our struggle!
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 154

  • @Saxologic
    @Saxologic 2 роки тому +259

    Not sure what was more crazy, the reed strength or playing next to you, but I enjoyed both! Thanks for the visit, you’re welcome anytime!

    • @DavePollack
      @DavePollack  2 роки тому +28

      Thanks so much for doing this! You killed it 💪

    • @marcogue_
      @marcogue_ 2 роки тому +3

      The emotion of Nathan was evident🤣

    • @chelseabaratz
      @chelseabaratz 2 роки тому +4

      You sound great playing a size 5 🥴

    • @fish8life
      @fish8life 6 місяців тому

      Bruh in 8th grade I played 3.5s lol

    • @fish8life
      @fish8life 6 місяців тому

      And also 4s

  • @TWO20
    @TWO20 2 роки тому +33

    Now a size 1 Rico blue box dipped in hot sauce

  • @jamescronin1486
    @jamescronin1486 2 роки тому +81

    You know these two are amazing players as it only took them a little bit of time to adjust to the super hard reeds. Using harder reeds might be something to try in practice sessions to build strength and stamina, what do you think about this?

    • @DavePollack
      @DavePollack  2 роки тому +26

      That would work for air support, but it would mess up the embouchure. I play VERY loose and relaxed, and that doesn’t work on these strong reeds

    • @jamescronin1486
      @jamescronin1486 2 роки тому

      @@DavePollack Good point! Thank you.

    • @TriggeringOpinionsandFacts
      @TriggeringOpinionsandFacts 2 роки тому

      @@DavePollack do you think practicing on/off at high reed strength would help ? Like say a one month high strength month followed by a month on your comfortable strength so as to retain the strength gains but not stray far from your embouchures comfort zone ?

    • @simonedefouw6523
      @simonedefouw6523 2 роки тому +1

      I play clarinet and started playing on stronger reeds. Not really to build strength and stamina. Rather to train myself to always have a quick and strong airstream. Something I struggled with for years. This methode really worked for me, but like Dave said it can mess up your embouchure. So be careful :)

    • @drewsillytoo
      @drewsillytoo Рік тому +1

      you should always perform what you practice. same set up for both

  • @FoolishFrankie
    @FoolishFrankie 2 роки тому +35

    I thought this was a Bay Sessions video at first cause of Dave's shirt😂 Great video as always, you guys would sound incredible on a piece of mulch!

    • @abedinsubashi
      @abedinsubashi 2 роки тому +3

      I think we’re now obligated to try size 5 reeds for tiktok 😂

    • @DavePollack
      @DavePollack  2 роки тому +7

      Hah! I mean it could have been - it was 85 in Miami!!

  • @10MFAN
    @10MFAN 2 роки тому +49

    Two of my favorites blowing their brains out! It’s not easy playing on a reed that size!

  • @oscargill423
    @oscargill423 2 роки тому +8

    I was expecting a lot more figuring out embouchure and tone... turns out being good at sax also means being able to adapt to any reed size.

  • @rosstones1
    @rosstones1 2 роки тому +10

    You guys sound pretty good on those pieces of lumber. Bravo.

  • @jontonkin6291
    @jontonkin6291 9 місяців тому +1

    i use a 18 star link....with a size 10 reed on my tenor....works for me...

  • @DavePollack
    @DavePollack  2 роки тому +9

    What's the strongest size reed you've ever tried?? Also, discover how you can improvise beautiful melodic lines over any song with this FREE masterclass:
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    • @bobpremecz5429
      @bobpremecz5429 2 роки тому +1

      4 or was it a 2x4? Can't remember after blacking out...

    • @jackcraven7979
      @jackcraven7979 2 роки тому

      3.5 for classical & 3.0 for jodyjazz jet 5

    • @jamesjefferson8353
      @jamesjefferson8353 2 роки тому

      4

    • @Xavia_Dimoff
      @Xavia_Dimoff 2 роки тому +1

      I play exclusively on V16 strength 5's on my tenor Otto Link

    • @camthesaxman3387
      @camthesaxman3387 Рік тому

      I got a box of blue Vandoren strength 3 reeds, but one of them was a 4 for whatever reason. I struggled to get a sound out of it.

  • @tanksama27
    @tanksama27 2 роки тому +5

    two guys in a room with mark vi’s.

  • @dominicmanzella5493
    @dominicmanzella5493 2 роки тому +9

    Ooh nice, that song is in a minority of songs that I rarely hear but really love 😏

  • @grantkoeller8911
    @grantkoeller8911 2 роки тому +8

    Rigotti gold reeds are some of the finest reeds ever made! Incredible quality and workmanship! These give Vandoren Java green box a run for the money!!

  • @francistaylor5097
    @francistaylor5097 2 роки тому +8

    Size 5 with chilli sauce has to be tried

  • @prestonrcasey
    @prestonrcasey 2 роки тому +3

    I literally had a Home Depot lumber ad before watching this. Very appropriate timing

  • @goddepersonno3782
    @goddepersonno3782 2 роки тому +6

    I see some small hints of Saxologic's editing finesse in this video
    curious if you allowed him to edit his own segments, or whether you had a crack at the saxologic video style
    either way, great video and great playing

  • @SaxPedalGuy
    @SaxPedalGuy 2 роки тому +5

    Surprised y'all didn't do Take 5!

  • @AcevedoDMA
    @AcevedoDMA 2 роки тому +5

    Both sounded killer.

  • @HylianAlph
    @HylianAlph 2 роки тому +4

    I thought they were hardnesses not sizes

    • @DavePollack
      @DavePollack  2 роки тому +3

      That's what we mean when say "size" - it's commonly used (as is strength)

  • @tcrjazz
    @tcrjazz 2 роки тому +4

    I used to like to blow 4½ and have tried 5s but that was a long time ago. I've backed way off to 2s on my tenor and 3s on alto.

    • @jackcraven7979
      @jackcraven7979 2 роки тому +2

      No reason to play harder if it's too much I still use 3.0 on jazz narrow tip short face mouthpiece

  • @bernarddaigle2830
    @bernarddaigle2830 2 роки тому +1

    Pet peeve : it's reed strength, not size.

  • @brandonfu3753
    @brandonfu3753 2 роки тому +4

    dave would make a size 1 flavored reed and a size 15 tree trunk sound good 😏

  • @Xavia_Dimoff
    @Xavia_Dimoff 2 роки тому +1

    Challenge? I don't buy anything but 5s on my Otto link.

  • @grantkoeller8911
    @grantkoeller8911 2 роки тому +3

    Bird played on hard reeds, the story was that he would take a nickel and burn it harder with a match.

  • @jaydayoungansnippets310
    @jaydayoungansnippets310 2 роки тому +3

    is 2:15 some type of scale? that sounded so cool😂 i want to learn it

  • @denote8299
    @denote8299 2 роки тому +2

    A challenge that never crossed my mind. The highest I play is strength 4 of blue Vandoren on sopranino/yanagisawa 5 tip. I usually struggle with strength 4 on alto/tenor so I never considered buying 5 over the years. Amazing, you guys blowing away just like that on first trial! Anyway, if you jazz-tigers (copyright) can't, who can? lol

  • @kalas856
    @kalas856 2 роки тому +5

    This video is 5:55 using size 5 reeds…

  • @joe2santos
    @joe2santos Рік тому

    I use Rico Royal 4's & 5's. Grover Washington used 4's & 5's , but not bc Grover used them, but because they work for me

  • @grantkoeller8911
    @grantkoeller8911 2 роки тому +5

    Hard reeds require more air and chop's of steel.

    • @jackcraven7979
      @jackcraven7979 2 роки тому

      I prefer soft reed narrow tip for ease of control on jazz mouthpiece

    • @grantkoeller8911
      @grantkoeller8911 2 роки тому

      @@jackcraven7979 soft reed with a narrow tip opening are the sound of a 5th grade beginner.

    • @jackcraven7979
      @jackcraven7979 2 роки тому

      @@grantkoeller8911 sure sure dude I play jody jazz jet 5 it sounds great to me

    • @grantkoeller8911
      @grantkoeller8911 2 роки тому

      @@jackcraven7979 Jody jazz jet 5 ( .070") is not small tip, it is way larger than Yamaha 4C ( .063")

    • @grantkoeller8911
      @grantkoeller8911 2 роки тому

      Bird played hard reeds and about a 70 tip....

  • @bodhidavis8400
    @bodhidavis8400 2 роки тому +1

    i have no idea why but i got a lee knoitz vibe from the sound of the 5 reed

  • @mich2962
    @mich2962 9 місяців тому

    gerry mulligan was known for playing size 5 reeds

  • @Matalyb
    @Matalyb 2 роки тому +2

    Dave sounds like Dick Oatts. You are Amazing guys !

  • @ernoe303
    @ernoe303 2 роки тому +3

    I haven't heard that tune for so long, that I even forgot it's name. Anyone?

    • @FoolishFrankie
      @FoolishFrankie 2 роки тому +3

      I think it's Minority, Gigi Gryce maybe?

    • @ernoe303
      @ernoe303 2 роки тому +1

      @@FoolishFrankie Thank you! That's the one.

  • @lukas85as
    @lukas85as 2 роки тому

    what song did you play?

  • @Frygonz
    @Frygonz 2 роки тому

    Surprised sound even came out.

  • @norabiddogz8673
    @norabiddogz8673 2 роки тому +2

    The reason Nathan seemed so much more at home with the reed is because he's secretly a descendent of Charlie Parker. Don't tell him I exposed him though. Love you Nathan! Great improv from the both of you.

    • @yourofficalnetwork01
      @yourofficalnetwork01 2 місяці тому

      actually, nathans mouthpiece has a bigger tip opening than daves, so it only makes sense.

  • @DashCamSamVids
    @DashCamSamVids 2 роки тому +3

    Hearts for the outro spaz!!!!

  • @brandonmusko9352
    @brandonmusko9352 2 роки тому +3

    Y’all sound great on those reeds!

  • @Balmyflavour-2
    @Balmyflavour-2 2 роки тому

    I have a 3.5 vandoran reed

  • @brianmatthews232
    @brianmatthews232 2 роки тому +2

    wow you both sound great playing together :-D

  • @gormauslander
    @gormauslander Рік тому

    What does reed strength change?

  • @zqa12swx
    @zqa12swx 2 роки тому +1

    I have a box of vintage brown box Rico 5s. Glad to see hard reeds get proper representation

  • @camthesaxman3387
    @camthesaxman3387 Рік тому

    This would give me a hernia.

  • @aidanknox2430
    @aidanknox2430 2 роки тому

    reed strength not size lol

  • @masapell
    @masapell 2 роки тому +1

    You two could have played on a wet sock and it would have sounded great! As always, a joy to watch. Love to both!

  • @chelseabaratz
    @chelseabaratz 2 роки тому +2

    Holy cow 😂 popsicle stick challenge! Not all size fives are the same, it had to be Rigotti on top of everything.

    • @jec0435
      @jec0435 2 роки тому

      "Popsicle stick" lol Love it. :)

    • @DavePollack
      @DavePollack  2 роки тому

      Hah! They were the only ones i could get shipped to me in time for my flight…i couldn’t imagine a 5 in some other brands

  • @rickyhoward8025
    @rickyhoward8025 2 роки тому +1

    You guys are amazing!!! I would have definitely blown a head gasket😂😂😂

  • @christophbrylka6256
    @christophbrylka6256 2 роки тому +1

    The Rigotti reeds are softer than other reeds however 5 is still pretty strong. I play a 4 with low effort but on a small tip opening. @Nathan, I bet you will keep playing Rigotti 5 from now on. Well done!

    • @jackcraven7979
      @jackcraven7979 2 роки тому

      Rico orange are pretty soft but cheaper than vandoren & I go through 2 reeds a week

  • @martyg374
    @martyg374 2 роки тому

    Small tip opening equals stiffer reed to me. Wide opening is softer reed. I have played 5s on clarinet :)

  • @nairdazitro7460
    @nairdazitro7460 2 роки тому +1

    I think it depends of the tip opening, a 5 reed on a 9* mouthpiece must be completely impossible to blow

    • @TWO20
      @TWO20 2 роки тому +2

      Ask Stan Getz, he did it for most of his career XD

  • @kevinnguyen4123
    @kevinnguyen4123 2 роки тому +1

    Once i've seen a guy playing on a size 5 reed with a 10* tipopening 🤯

  • @mechwarrior5727
    @mechwarrior5727 2 роки тому

    Someone I know plays on a plastic 6 reed for tenor, blows my mind

  • @jimmyvonesh3188
    @jimmyvonesh3188 2 роки тому

    It's a "number 5" reed, not "size 5".
    ...you're welcome
    - Mr. Knowitall.
    Good video though !

  • @streamsniper146
    @streamsniper146 2 роки тому +1

    Am I the only who realized the video is 5:55 😂

  • @donl9571
    @donl9571 2 роки тому +4

    Dave, you have a lot of younger players watching your channel. You probably should have added a caveat that playing harder reeds does not mean one is a better player and using them before you're ready can lead to embouchure problems.

  • @sharatssaxophone
    @sharatssaxophone Рік тому

    I played on 5s with a Sigurd Rascher mouthpiece on alto when I was in high school.. (not with any other kind of mouthpiece...)

  • @pukalo
    @pukalo Рік тому

    I haven't played on them, but Vandoren's "Black Master Traditional" clarinet reeds come in strengths as high as 6+.

  • @XIIMonkeysMusicGroup
    @XIIMonkeysMusicGroup 2 роки тому

    What tip openings are you 2 on? And lay length? I play a medium lay with a .086 tip on Alto. No way a 5 would even speak on my setup!

  • @JohnResciniti
    @JohnResciniti 2 роки тому

    When I left HS to go to Hofstra U as a music major (bari sax), I thought big numbers meant better all the way around. Played on rico royal 5 reeds for half of my college days. This was back in the late 80s/early 90s so the internets hadn't made researching this stuff easy. Met with my former HS director in 90 or 91 who guided me to to synthetic reeds. Bari was just getting going and I still swear by them. But his words were "switch to Bari reeds and go softer than you think". They only had S, M, and H at the time so I bought an S and an M and settled on the S which lasted me for many years. Still use them, and switch back and forth between various Bari reeds and various mouthpieces depending on my mood and the setting in which I'm playing. @Saxologic, I have to thank you for turning this old guy on to the Syos peeps. I have a few MPs from them on all my saxes and clarinets. Still not completely sold on them, and go back to my trusty Meyer, Berg/Larsen, and other MPs, but really appreciate their stuff, and especially LOVE O-rings instead of cork on my clarinet MPs. I swear, clarinets need to be made with o-ring tenons instead of cork, from now on!

  • @squiddyjamzzz
    @squiddyjamzzz 2 роки тому +5

    saxologic really
    falling in love with that tenor sax

    • @DavePollack
      @DavePollack  2 роки тому +4

      …alto

    • @squiddyjamzzz
      @squiddyjamzzz 2 роки тому +8

      @@DavePollack thanks for the correction. now i have to delete my comment lol. his sax neck seemed long but i was 2 blunts deep when i watched

    • @solar8314
      @solar8314 8 місяців тому +1

      @@squiddyjamzzzLMAO

  • @cardboardmusic
    @cardboardmusic 2 роки тому

    Nice to hear you all battling away with a 5 reed, but how big/open are your mouthpieces?
    I started off playing harder reads in my 30s because I read so much about players using them, so I thought I'd try that set up. I seem to remember that Joe Lovano was also playing a very open mouthpiece and hard reed (as an example). I played a Vandoren classic 4 on an Otto Link 9* for years (although I kept some softer reads in my case if needed), it was fine up until my late 40s when I started to find getting longer phrases. Nowadays I have a much smaller tip/opening 7* and a Vandoren Classic 3, which is easier if I don't have time to practice and keep my emboucher in shape (which was also a problem).

  • @elliottbritt3937
    @elliottbritt3937 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you Dave!!

  • @ketong71
    @ketong71 2 роки тому

    You should do this challenge again, but in Smooth Jazz mode. 😛

  • @blizxengd9861
    @blizxengd9861 2 роки тому

    It sounded really weird at first because they had the technical skill and competency of a trained musician, but with that breathy and weak tone middle schoolers get.

  • @quick2613
    @quick2613 2 роки тому

    I think the Rigotti is thiner than their number on it. ther 3.5 is like 3 on v16 (or even maybe 2.5.) And I conclude that this reeds is life less, than other reeds after several months of using, yes they have beautiful sond and good vibration, but they lives not so long(

  • @bxsoup
    @bxsoup 2 роки тому

    It’s the mouthpiece(s) . Different tip openings & different mouthpieces are more reed friendly .

  • @EvanTateMusic
    @EvanTateMusic 2 роки тому

    It's been said that Michael Brecker had played on a La Voz "Extra Hard" reed. That may have been a 5, if the story is true.

  • @ainazarov3851
    @ainazarov3851 Рік тому

    What the tune????

    • @zqa12swx
      @zqa12swx Рік тому

      Minority - Gigi Gryce

  • @Nathan_cedeno
    @Nathan_cedeno 2 роки тому +1

    What was the tune that they played?

  • @claudemiropacheco
    @claudemiropacheco 2 роки тому

    Depending on the mouthpiece tip size, the challenge is not the same unless you guys are playing on the very similar mouthpieces. I usually play size 3/3.5 on my Joddy Jazz but I can't even sound a single note with the same reed on my Yanagisawa. But regardless, you guys nailed playing together. Big fan of both :)

  • @gusmarrero
    @gusmarrero 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome video!!!!! Fun!

  • @carlpolke5530
    @carlpolke5530 2 роки тому

    Be good to know what mouthpiece/setup you guys were both using in this vid!

  • @itwasntme4931
    @itwasntme4931 2 роки тому

    Next time try size 5 reeds on a Bari sax, that will be fun

  • @BillColeExperience
    @BillColeExperience 2 роки тому

    Never heard the term "size" attributed to a reed

  • @etowahjazz
    @etowahjazz 2 роки тому +1

    Both you guys are awesome.

  • @DynamixWarePro
    @DynamixWarePro 2 роки тому

    I don't remember who it was but there was a sax player who played on size 6 Rico reeds and had to have them custom made as no reed maker makes them at that strength. Due to physical reasons, I can't play on harder reeds beyond a Legere Signature 3 on Alto and a 2.75 Legere European Cut clarinet reed on my Soprano Selmer S80 D (not sure what the equivalent soprano sax reed is).

  • @lafayettegunterjr2967
    @lafayettegunterjr2967 2 роки тому +1

    I never tried a 5 before it looks brutal to play lol

  • @vladimirstryukov1326
    @vladimirstryukov1326 2 роки тому

    You guys are awesome! I'm just interested? why there are any reap practical reasons for using that hard reeds

  • @elliottbritt3937
    @elliottbritt3937 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you dave!

  • @probablynoturdad
    @probablynoturdad 2 роки тому

    Such awesome playing. Good, clean studs slaying big stiff reeds. Thats solid content.

  • @danielguo6153
    @danielguo6153 2 роки тому

    This is the best you've ever sounded Mr. Pollack:)

  • @ricardoparedes3656
    @ricardoparedes3656 2 роки тому

    Yo saxologic sounds so damn good.

  • @lejazz6938
    @lejazz6938 2 роки тому

    Love you guys, you both play so beautiful!!

  • @DaleFedele
    @DaleFedele 2 роки тому

    Several orchestral clarinetists with top jobs play Vandoren 5 and 5+, but they work them down. I think if every reed player had a micrometer and measured every reed in their reed cases, just one time, the world would be a better place.

    • @DavePollack
      @DavePollack  2 роки тому

      😂 oh man…i’ve NEVER clipped/trimmed/sanded/etc. a reed down in my life…i couldn’t imagine doing that. Slap new reed on…works? Great. Doesn’t? Bye bye

    • @DaleFedele
      @DaleFedele 2 роки тому

      @@DavePollack As Joe Allard said, "Everything you do to the horn to make it sing, you do to the reed."

    • @DaleFedele
      @DaleFedele 2 роки тому

      @@DavePollack I despair at the institutions and profiteering that can be avoided simply by a collective understanding of making this tool work for the player.

  • @Kirktracy
    @Kirktracy 2 роки тому

    Grey video, guys!

  • @DionteGeorgeMusic
    @DionteGeorgeMusic 2 роки тому

    In Freshman year of my undergrad my teacher at the time had me play on size 5 vandoren blue boxes on my classical set up for the next year and a half. For my jazz set up, the hardest reeds I'm currently playing on now are V12's size 3.

    • @keananok
      @keananok 2 роки тому +1

      There must’ve been absolutely no life in your sound. Dark as hell lmao.

    • @DionteGeorgeMusic
      @DionteGeorgeMusic 2 роки тому

      @@keananok eh at first yeah.😅 Eventually I adjusted an it helped with my air support so I ain't trippin about it

  • @orzanoap
    @orzanoap 2 роки тому

    What tip opening on the mouthpieces were you using?

    • @jeffmill
      @jeffmill 2 роки тому +2

      Asking the real questions. Size 5 with a small tip opening isn't bad. Try a size 5 with an Otto Link 10* mouthpiece sometime :-)

    • @DavePollack
      @DavePollack  2 роки тому

      I use a 5 - no idea what Nathan uses

  • @gipstetz6720
    @gipstetz6720 2 роки тому +1

    Loved it. Lots of fun guys.

  • @OneVideoGamePlease
    @OneVideoGamePlease 2 роки тому

    So that’s actually a STRENGTH 5 red. It’s a size Alto.