Girl, you forgot another important detail. At the end of the episode "Timetagger" Lila babysits Alya's twin sisters and Nino's little brother Chris. Notice how Lila and Chris were getting along and by the end of the episode, Chris was blushing because of how cool he thought Lila was. Do you not see the connection between Lila and Chris? If she were really Manon she would know what Chris's interests were when they were young and she used that to her advantage! And if it wasn't obvious enough, akumatized older Chirs was the one who revealed to us for the first time that the Butterfly Miraculous had a different holder, and the episode featured the two spending time together like that was a clue!
@@SweetHeartRose to be fair i feel it was more of a clue that lila was the next hawkmoth then that she was connected to manon though. The idea she would know what he likes because she was manon is interesting though
I just believe Lila's/Cerise/Iris' wish is simply that Marinette never became Ladybug I think that explains why the Bunnixes vanish despite being in the burrow because if Marinette doesn't become Ladybug they don't become Bunnix and the chaos goes on
I think Lila keeps Nadia’s picture is because maybe she wants to take revenge on her mother of neglecting her and not allowing Manon to keep the doll that Marinette allowed her to keep for the day.
@@lapoguidelli7677 ya and even if she rly is Italian 🇮🇹, we do not know who her father is let alone know his nationality. Maybe he is Italian 🇮🇹 or she is adopted. She keeps lying about who she is so we don’t even know what is the truth from her.
Wait, so what's up with "Lila's" mothers???? Are they foster moms and she's just been passed around by the foster care???? I've always confused by her moms.
adding to this too, Nino's little brother was a time traveling akumatized victim at one point and he and Manon are close in age and friends. So her asking him to take her back in time wouldn't be too far a stretch
You Know i also think that they Give some subtle hints about Lila being Manon in S5. In Illusion, Plagg Said She and Adrien became virtual PUPPETS, After being digitalized in the Alliance Rings. In Protection, Kagami told Lila that She won't use her against Marinette again saying She (Kagami) Is not a PUPPET. The Puppeteer, Lila manipulating people?
@@polishalastor142 Well for all we would know, lila might have also lied about her nationality, and kids skins tend to grow lighter when their older, this is because when their younger, their constantly tanned by the sun due to constant exposure.
@@Christian_H3rnand3z Alec a tv presenter and Natja Shamack friend Could be a Donor Manon have the same skin as him Some women raised Kids alone ,are single Moms
Manon and Lila’s facial features don’t look similar at all though? I doubt that a child’s face would change THAT much. Lila’s eyes are much sharper while manon’s are round.
1. Dude, If season 6 brings Lila back and has her babysitting Manon, this theory is out. 2. I always thought Lila or whoever the f**k she is anymore, froze Nooroo, because she was already pissed off about her plan failing, that she didn't want the kwami to add the fuel to the fire with his relief of losing.
Also the fact that in the VERY first episode, they chose to show Manon. Like they could have introduced ANY character to show in the first episode. But they chose to show her dispite there being so many other characters they could have introduced who seem to be more important than manon
Personally, I believe that Lila/Cerise/whoever she is, is actually a grown woman in like her late 30s who only pretends to be a teenager. You know '''SPOILERS AHEAD''' Like how Esther was revealed to be a 30 year old woman in Orphan
Yeah, I could see it. I'm thirty years old myself but some people thinks I'm not even 18 sometimes, I think I could legit go to my old high school and mingle with the students à la 21 Jump Street and I would fit right in. XD
@@Karomix3 I mean I could see it as well. I'm in my 30s as well, but people think I look like I'm in my teens or 20's. So I could pull off being a senior at least in high school and no one would think twice. Actually there is a real life news video where a mom pretended to be her daughter one day for school as they look so much a like. She wore a mask, did makeup and dressed like her daughter and no one suspected a thing until she posted it on social media. So if a real life mom can look like her daughter and act like her daughter in high school, what's to say a fictional character couldn't.
@@UrSammich Indeed. Right now Lila could be pretty much anything, a teenager, an adult passing as one, an alien, a sentimonster, something else, but a time traveler I feel it doesn't stick.
I think she is 6, 7 years older than Marinette and is her half sister sharing their mother, Sabine's uncle Wang said she changed her name from Shabine when she moved to Paris. Why? I think it was to hide from the father of her baby and to keep her baby from finding her after giving her up when she grew up. Jealousy because her mother gave her up and Marinette got to know and be loved by her mother is enough to hate her and direct revenge on her On Tom and Sabine's 20th anniversary Marinette was 14 that would make Layla/Cerise 21 - 22 years old
@@Karomix3 me too, I would tease my sister who was 2 years older than me when her friends thought I was her daughter and my younger sisters - people thought they were my mother
I still don't know Lila/Cerise's goal, reason to changes appearence back in Season five or why she wanted both Ladybug & Cat Noir's Miraculous but I am definately right that she will become the next Hawkmoth in the upcoming Season six now that Gabriel Agrest is gone forever.
I don't think that Lila/Cerise is Manon from the future, because they have different skin colours/tones and facial features. For instance: Manon has a darker skin tone and her eyes are round, while Lila/Cerise is lighter skinned than Manon and her eyes are sharper.
I think that this theory makes sense even because in miracolus the always, expecially in the first seasons makes different characters identical only changing the colors and they were mostly background characters we never knew quite nothing about, but i noticed they also made some manon "clones" and i ask myself why do this with a caracther who wasn't just a background character but for some time had a quite relevance in the story and some of them even got the same color scheme of some of lyla false identities so i think that maybe they are trying to tell us something, but that's just an ipotesis i may be wrong but i don't know i tougth it could have some kind of relevance.
Only one clone has similar colors to Lila's identity, this purple one looks like Marinette + this could be a hint that Lila is a clone of SCP Manon, SCP clones are monsters that want to replace the lives of those who "clone" I don't know how to explain it but there are stories about it on YT I think this theory makes more sense when it comes to Lila's character because Lila is a psychopath why would Manon be a psychopath and so smart?SCP clone is logical that he would be a psychopath only, Lila may want to be Manon because her clone is that she is a psychopath and even a sociopath if she was an SCP clone and that is why she is so smart although I have There are other theories about who Lila is and I think they are more interesting but I think this is okay imo
Is everyone forgetting that Lila tried to befriend Marinette in Chameleon she started to have a grudge against her because Mari showed her true opinion about Lila
If they are really related, I would be happier if they were cousins or distant relatives rather than Marinette and Lila being half-siblings. We know very little about Marinette's family and relatives anyway.
@Wayward_Insomniac So, the theory is that they have the same dad. Marinette's dad supposedly had a relationship with whoever gave birth to Lila. So, they could be the same age and still be half-siblings. If it was the same mom, THEN it would be impossible.
All i know is since I've become obsessed with figuring out who lila is, I've adopted her and become the general of her mom army. For real though i do think the lila minon theory is really compelling. I'll need to look into it more and see what connections i can find.
@SkyThePastelAlien i have a 3 part over analysis on tumblr where i spent way too much time overanalyzing everything about lila and what she says and does. It truly is unhinged 😂
@@polishalastor142 while i do agree that i don't think manon and lila ate the same person, i think the possibility is still intriguing. As for her being italian, manon may be half italian. We don't know who her father is. Or even lila may be lying about being italian at all. The most evidence we have that she is is her word as well as her names. She always seems to have an italian last name, so this does suggest she is at least part italian, but even then we can't say for sure yet. As for skin tones, there isn't much of a difference in skin tones, but it is notable enough that it may disprove the lila-manon thing altogether. At the same time they may not have initially planned on having a connection between lila and manon. If we are going to apply real life logic, lila might just not get as much sun. I know i had darker skin when i was a kid because i spent so much time outside, but now I'm pretty pale. That being said, this is a cartoon so id assume to keep things simpler, they'd want to make sure if someone is the same character but younger, they'd have the same skin color, so i don't know.
I didn't see the photo of Manon in the movie Facial features don't drastically change from child to adult, there is still some resemblance, people recognize me from second grade And Lyla/Cerise's eyes look like Kagami's she at least has a Japanese mother or father, Manon doesn't look oriental
I think it would be kind of a stretch to say Lila used the Rabbit Hole since we know Akumatized Powers can include Time Travel like Time Tagger from the future and Lila in the London Special well two powers in one also being Invisibility. While we knew she happened to be at the right place at the right time to get the Butterfly Miraculous, I just wonder how she figured out how EXACTLY where Ladybug was going to be at the events directly at the end Season 5 with her sudden and quick knowledge of the rest of that day. That is MAYBE the only issue I have with the Special
@@SetoShadowVT at the very least, we know she was aware that gabriel was hawkmoth. In the season 5 finale we also see her walk into the agreste mansion while hawkmoth and ladybug are fighting, where she sees the gaping hole leading to Gabe's secret lair. Id say she probably just went down after ladybug left
3:37 Mayura and Rena Rouge does the same thing 4:11 Adrien is in the center, and Nadia is the journalist so Lila could’ve just use those photos Natalie sent her to send those to Nadia
I'm not trying to say that your theory is wrong but the skin tones I think they're different maybe it's very different for them to be the same person but I enjoyed the theory
We see Manon for the first time in the first episode of season 1, and we see Lila for the first time in the last episode of season 1. We see Lila at the end of the season for the first time, but we've already seen her in the first episode... As Thomas/Jeremy said (I can't remember who said it, bruh), the real villain has always been there...
You said Lyla and Manon never appear together in an episode TimeTagger she babysat Manon, Chris, and the twins, and you said Manon has been forgotten indicating sense Puppeteer? Manon was in Puppeteer 2, Manon, Chris and the twins were in Simpleman, no little kids were in Season 5
Even if it was Manon, It would have to mean that Lila/Cerise/Iris would have the clock/rabbit miraculous. If that's the case then why hasn't she used it up till now or that Bunnix hasn't picked up on it? Unless this is a Manon from an alt universe or timeline where she wished for something only to be stuck in the universe we see now. Then her reason for being the new Hawk Moth would be that she simply wants to maybe undue her wish or wish for something new as a result. To me the theory still doesn't add up like how Felix and Adrien are sentimonsters. It just seems like bad writing. Although proposed theory, Lila/Cerise/Iris would be a older sister to Manon who was forgotten about or erased, but when she tried to get back with her family they just couldn't or didn't believe it. Hence why she needs to be the center of attention. She uses others and goes under different identities to survive, but always keeps a close track on her biological family. It doesn't completely make sense either, but it's an idea.
Chloe deserves another chance to do good in future seasons as Queen Bee. We need to convince Jeremy Zag to take over from thomas astruc to fix and change Chloe Bourgeois' redemption!
Iirc that's what already happened; she's based on a irl bully Thomas knew, but the other writers developed the character into near redemtion so Thomas got butt hurt about it and un-did it and said she stays bad bcos i said so.
Lila can be monos sister who was given to adoption so she mite be angry at mano and hate marionette because mano like marinelle even if she was mano she would figure out that that marionette is ladybug because she figured out Gabriel s identity
This might actually be true because where did lila get the time machine watch she used in the london special 🤔 unless she used it in the future to come back to the past
I just don't want Manon to be Lila because she is a sweet little girl and Marinette and the others are at least trying to be a better influence on her. Lilia's only defining characteristic is that everything about her is a lie! We're even left confused on her actual age is! Her first lies were to become popular, then to get a date with Adrien. If she's not a minor, this is some dangerous territory!
Pathetic liar Mythomania also know as Pathological lying Definitely Not the same person Manon is French 🇫🇷 Lila is Italian 🇮🇹 Manon skin tone is Darker
It would make sense that Manon is Lila bc in Time Tagger - almost all the akumatized villains are the kids she grew up with - Chris and Aliyah's siblings.
Just lock up Lila in prison for life and take every single miraculous from her and cut her off from all of everything that kept giving her power and all. Lock her up. No trial, no publicity, no bail, no bond, no parole, nothing. Everyone wants her gone for good. After locking her up for good. Treat her like an animal. Everything is Lila's fault. All her actions are her own fault. Marinette is not to blame for any of it.
@@jonathanzigterman2379 While I agree with you. I do believe both of them are equally bad people. But I guess the reason why Lila is worse is because Chloe finally got her comeuppance while Lila may have had her true nature exposed. She ran off to avoid getting in trouble like a cowardly little witch she is. And people are still waiting to see if she'll be in prison now that her true nature is exposed.
I wonder if Lila was once given the Ladybug miraculous and if that's why she's in this time period trying to get it back. There was an old episode when Master Fu said he got it wrong but he would not make the mistake again right before giving the miraculous to Marinette. I always wondered who that person was. Maybe it was Lila. She seemed to already know about miraculous, even the fake one she said belonged to her grandmother. I feel like she always knew that Gabriel was Hawkmoth and she used Adrien to get to him. It was always a part of her plan. The Manon theory works until you get to Simpleman where she actually helped Ladybug defeat the villain. I'm not sure about that one. 🤔 It is strange that her and Lila are never in the same episodes together.
@@sandrawilliams302 in regards to master fu saying that, i actually have a different theory. I think it was tomoe tsurugi. I cant remember why i think this at the moment, but if i remember right, there was some interesting evidence. For one she was aware of the miraculous and she told gabe about them.
@@mk-sh6iy you know, I thought about it being Mrs. Tsurgi as well but after Lila became the new Hawkmoth, I was just trying to figure out why she would want or know anything about the miraculous. Mrs. Tsurgi makes so much more sense and we never found out what her and Gabriel were really up to. What was their true plan?
my theory is lila is manon from the future and something got messed up in time and it sent lila to her past her i think her wish was to take the rabbit miraculous from the other times to be able to stop marinette from ruining her chances with adrien and steal the butterfly miraculous from gabriel when he first became hawkmoth so marinette would gave never became ladybug she would then be able to steal all miraculous from master fu
@@polishalastor142 yeah but you also forget to mention about the fact that her names Lila, Cerise and Iris are based on plants: Lila is based on flowers called lilas. Cerise means cherry in french which is based on cherry blossoms. Iris is based on flowers with the same name.
Lila is orphan. Her parets don want have her becuz she lies evryone and hurt feelings. She hate Marinette, but donnt know the phoenix can make her lost evryfing.
How do Lila and Manon exist in the same universe then?If Lila travelled through time how did she?More over maybe the picture of Nadia ressembled something else?How do Lila and Manon simultaneously exist if they are the same person?I personally think that this theory of Lila being Manon can not be real.If it is then how do they simultaneously exist?🤨🤔🧐😮🙊
My 3 theories of Lila: 1. Lila could be Manon from the future. But the motive I do not know her motive if that the case. 2. Lila could be Marinette older half-sister that Marinette doesn't know about. Lila was living with her biological father.Take Chloe mother we don't know what she been doing in NYC.But when Zoey was introduced as Chloe half-sister it does hint that what Audrey been doing the whole time giving birth to Zoey and raising her.A strong hint that Chloe Mother prefer Zoey over Chloe over time. So Lila must think that Sabine giving birth to Marinette that she completeely forgotten her and wanted revenge. 3. Lila could be an adult once a celebrity but now she is a has-been just wanted revenge.
Marinette mom Sabine in Chinese Lila is Italian 🇮🇹 , even her False identities refer to Italian flag I heard a Theory that's Tom Marinette father is Lila Father
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First of all I call bullshit , second of all I’m like 98% positive that pic of maroon is from an episode in the first season, ain’t no GODDAMN WAY! they planned all this from the jump y’all are crazy
I think that Lila might have a condition which leads her to have multiple personalities by the way, there is a real condition that lets people have more than one personality maybe Lila has this and because she learned to be very intimidating and is great at lying she can pull this off. She has multiple identities she has a plan. We only know a part of it, which is well making sure Marinette‘s life is ruined. But I don’t think that’s her full plan because no one would need multiple identities to ruin someone’s life. She must be thinking to do something way. Worse. As soon as she got the butterfly miraculous. We knew that she wanted ladybug and cat noir’s miraculous but why does she need them? She definitely knows that combining these two jewelry will make a wish. And even if she was a kid I think it would be the other way around maybe Lila being the kid ( sorry I don’t know how to spell the kids name ) because think about it how can she change bodies that easily? Even if Lila‘s hand was smaller in one scene. Maybe she’s not even human. Because if she can change bodies that easily, then she can’t be human. She can be a Santa monster. Maybe made by the peacock miraculous or a miraculous from another miraculous box. 📦 maybe one master fo made a mistake when he was younger accidentally created something much bigger maybe he accidentally made Lila it’s impossible. She’s human because the woman can literally change bodies into a kid. Plus, how does she know Marinette in the beginning she must have seen her success or was jealous of her or Marinette has something she needs. Plus, Lila only only lied about Marinette to try and ruin her life, but how does she even know Marinette? The first day of school we realize that Lila doesn’t like Mariette. It means Lila definitely knows her and plus. Marinette babysits the kid. A.k.a. Lila in our theory. Lila must want something very big or she might need something very big. Her plan must have took her years to prepare. She must’ve done some research about the miraculous to know so much about it. We all know she wants something, but what? A part of her plan was to ruin Marinette‘s life and turn everyone against Marinette, but that failed because in one episode they call Lila admitting everything. When they were telling Sabrina to hand over the proof. So yea ….
Nah this don't make sense she could be either manoon lost sister you know her Older sister that i don't know given up for adoption because the mother that was young didn't wanted to ruined her careers as a news reporter but gets more angry and gets pregnant again by giving birth to mannon which made her more angry being forgotten
Also Lila/Iris/Cerise never had a love intrest in Adrien, she just wanted to keep Adrien Marinette away from eachother so that she (Manon) could get more time with Marinette insteas of having Marinette just not caring about her and drooling over Adrien
@polishalastor142 maybe she could paint herself like Michel Jackson. And about the countries, have You ever heard about a Child being born on a different country then their parents? And we don't know where her father is from.
I understand what you said but Manon had a better relationship with Marinette, every time she comes out in the end. I think Lila is Manon but the one in the multiverse but multiverse Manon could've had a worser relationship with Marinette because the Multiverse Marinette was her past self or like Shadybug, her villain identity, so Manon plotted Revenge on all Marinettes ' but also the little girl could be like a thief or gangster, too!
just noticed this but if you look at the before and after transformation of lila from the butterfly kwami at the beginning of the video she doesn't have a chest but after she detransforms she does. Is this something else that is fake? all the other miraculous holders haven't had any changes to their body at all just the hair
Actually when I sold the first scene of London Paris special I saw that Laila has the bag of Maria shamak I think she is I think she is Manan you are right but I haven't question how did she become so big like how man on was so small how to become so big
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Girl, you forgot another important detail. At the end of the episode "Timetagger" Lila babysits Alya's twin sisters and Nino's little brother Chris. Notice how Lila and Chris were getting along and by the end of the episode, Chris was blushing because of how cool he thought Lila was. Do you not see the connection between Lila and Chris? If she were really Manon she would know what Chris's interests were when they were young and she used that to her advantage! And if it wasn't obvious enough, akumatized older Chirs was the one who revealed to us for the first time that the Butterfly Miraculous had a different holder, and the episode featured the two spending time together like that was a clue!
In a cut scene he also said "the new hawkmoth is a woman. She's the woman I love."
In her past video on this theory, she brought this up
Manon skin is Darker
@@SweetHeartRose to be fair i feel it was more of a clue that lila was the next hawkmoth then that she was connected to manon though. The idea she would know what he likes because she was manon is interesting though
Little kids being darker than when they're older is possible. More running around in the sun
.@@polishalastor142
I just believe Lila's/Cerise/Iris' wish is simply that Marinette never became Ladybug
I think that explains why the Bunnixes vanish despite being in the burrow because if Marinette doesn't become Ladybug they don't become Bunnix and the chaos goes on
That can be a possibility 🤔
exactly, there was a video about that actually
Maybe she wished that all Miraculous didn't exist.
That's Marinette wouldnt exist
isn’t her miraculous an heirloom? Ladybug didn’t give her it
I think Lila keeps Nadia’s picture is because maybe she wants to take revenge on her mother of neglecting her and not allowing Manon to keep the doll that Marinette allowed her to keep for the day.
@@Y0utub32 if that the case, than that's the dumbest reason i've Ever heard
@ well that’s what I think so…
Lila is Italian 🇮🇹
Nadya is French 🇫🇷
@@polishalastor142 Lila lied even about her name and appearance.
What assure us She didn't lied about her ethnicity also
@@lapoguidelli7677 ya and even if she rly is Italian 🇮🇹, we do not know who her father is let alone know his nationality. Maybe he is Italian 🇮🇹 or she is adopted. She keeps lying about who she is so we don’t even know what is the truth from her.
Wait, so what's up with "Lila's" mothers???? Are they foster moms and she's just been passed around by the foster care???? I've always confused by her moms.
She is an Orphan
Also she Had Few fake /False identities
@@polishalastor142 So she made each of them think she's a long lost daughter or something????
Yes @@Christian_H3rnand3z
@@Christian_H3rnand3zexactly
adding to this too, Nino's little brother was a time traveling akumatized victim at one point and he and Manon are close in age and friends. So her asking him to take her back in time wouldn't be too far a stretch
Everything is possible in Miraculous
manon has a diffrint skin tone to Cerise/Lila
that would be crazy. and it wouldn't make any sense
You Know i also think that they Give some subtle hints about Lila being Manon in S5.
In Illusion, Plagg Said She and Adrien became virtual PUPPETS, After being digitalized in the Alliance Rings.
In Protection, Kagami told Lila that She won't use her against Marinette again saying She (Kagami) Is not a PUPPET.
The Puppeteer, Lila manipulating people?
That's interesting. Both used the same word.
They arent the same person
Manon is French 🇫🇷
Lila is Italian 🇮🇹
Also Manon skin is Darker
@@polishalastor142 Well for all we would know, lila might have also lied about her nationality, and kids skins tend to grow lighter when their older, this is because when their younger, their constantly tanned by the sun due to constant exposure.
manon has a diffrint skin tone to Cerise/Lila
@@sunomnchom9871 Even Lila False identities refer to Italian flag 🇮🇹
Lila Rossi -Red
Cerise Bianka -White
Iris Verdi -Green
*Now I can't unsee the theory of "Lila" and Manon being sisters.* 🤯
Manon is French 🇫🇷
Lila is Italian 🇮🇹
@@polishalastor142 Yeah but have we ever seen either of their fathers????
Nah more like The same person theory
@@Christian_H3rnand3z Alec a tv presenter and Natja Shamack friend Could be a Donor
Manon have the same skin as him
Some women raised Kids alone ,are single Moms
@@Cubicnoir Theory
Manon skin tone is Darker
Manon and Lila’s facial features don’t look similar at all though? I doubt that a child’s face would change THAT much. Lila’s eyes are much sharper while manon’s are round.
Also skin tone
Manon skin tone is Darker
Skin tone doesn't change that much during maturation
Imagine it from this theory like that:
Manon we know:*is too much in the sun in offscreen time*
Lie-la:*less in the sun in offscreen time*
1. Dude, If season 6 brings Lila back and has her babysitting Manon, this theory is out.
2. I always thought Lila or whoever the f**k she is anymore, froze Nooroo, because she was already pissed off about
her plan failing, that she didn't want the kwami to add the fuel to the fire with his relief of losing.
I don't think Lilia is Mano from the future as Lila wouldn't of been shocked that Nooro came out of Hawk Moths brooch in the first place.
If Manon is Lila in the future this is basically the story of Reverse Flash If you remove the fanboy part.
Manon is French 🇫🇷
Lila is Italian 🇮🇹
Manon skin is Darker
They arent the same person
Also the fact that in the VERY first episode, they chose to show Manon. Like they could have introduced ANY character to show in the first episode. But they chose to show her dispite there being so many other characters they could have introduced who seem to be more important than manon
I think that decision was Thomas saying that Manon was more important than she seemed
Personally, I believe that Lila/Cerise/whoever she is, is actually a grown woman in like her late 30s who only pretends to be a teenager.
You know
'''SPOILERS AHEAD'''
Like how Esther was revealed to be a 30 year old woman in Orphan
Yeah, I could see it. I'm thirty years old myself but some people thinks I'm not even 18 sometimes, I think I could legit go to my old high school and mingle with the students à la 21 Jump Street and I would fit right in. XD
@@Karomix3 I mean I could see it as well. I'm in my 30s as well, but people think I look like I'm in my teens or 20's. So I could pull off being a senior at least in high school and no one would think twice. Actually there is a real life news video where a mom pretended to be her daughter one day for school as they look so much a like. She wore a mask, did makeup and dressed like her daughter and no one suspected a thing until she posted it on social media. So if a real life mom can look like her daughter and act like her daughter in high school, what's to say a fictional character couldn't.
@@UrSammich Indeed. Right now Lila could be pretty much anything, a teenager, an adult passing as one, an alien, a sentimonster, something else, but a time traveler I feel it doesn't stick.
I think she is 6, 7 years older than Marinette and is her half sister sharing their mother, Sabine's uncle Wang said she changed her name from Shabine when she moved to Paris. Why? I think it was to hide from the father of her baby and to keep her baby from finding her after giving her up when she grew up. Jealousy because her mother gave her up and Marinette got to know and be loved by her mother is enough to hate her and direct revenge on her
On Tom and Sabine's 20th anniversary Marinette was 14 that would make Layla/Cerise 21 - 22 years old
@@Karomix3 me too, I would tease my sister who was 2 years older than me when her friends thought I was her daughter and my younger sisters - people thought they were my mother
Theory: what if every time we see Lila with a different mom, its actually another universe?
Also Manon wasn't shown to be babysitted in Timetagger
I still don't know Lila/Cerise's goal, reason to changes appearence back in Season five or why she wanted both Ladybug & Cat Noir's Miraculous but I am definately right that she will become the next Hawkmoth in the upcoming Season six now that Gabriel Agrest is gone forever.
I don't think that Lila/Cerise is Manon from the future, because they have different skin colours/tones and facial features. For instance: Manon has a darker skin tone and her eyes are round, while Lila/Cerise is lighter skinned than Manon and her eyes are sharper.
That's Right 😉
I HATE LIE-LA 😭😭
Her name is not lila. Actually I wonder if she has a name of her own?
@@ionutalexandru9710 l still call her Lie-la. 😭
@@Mitsuri-san647 fun fact: Lie-La has the word "Lie" which is a reference to the fact that Lila is lying to everyone.
But you don't hate monon right? Even though Lila and her might be the same person
Same
You forget this show literally has so many plot holes and the creator just comes up with his own rules
Arg... Why thomas, why?
There are also the two Manon clones. The blonde blue eyed Manon and the black haired brown eyed Manon.
I think that this theory makes sense even because in miracolus the always, expecially in the first seasons makes different characters identical only changing the colors and they were mostly background characters we never knew quite nothing about, but i noticed they also made some manon "clones" and i ask myself why do this with a caracther who wasn't just a background character but for some time had a quite relevance in the story and some of them even got the same color scheme of some of lyla false identities so i think that maybe they are trying to tell us something, but that's just an ipotesis i may be wrong but i don't know i tougth it could have some kind of relevance.
Only one clone has similar colors to Lila's identity, this purple one looks like Marinette + this could be a hint that Lila is a clone of SCP Manon, SCP clones are monsters that want to replace the lives of those who "clone" I don't know how to explain it but there are stories about it on YT I think this theory makes more sense when it comes to Lila's character because Lila is a psychopath why would Manon be a psychopath and so smart?SCP clone is logical that he would be a psychopath only, Lila may want to be Manon because her clone is that she is a psychopath and even a sociopath if she was an SCP clone and that is why she is so smart although I have There are other theories about who Lila is and I think they are more interesting but I think this is okay imo
Only a Theory
Manon is French 🇫🇷
Lila is Italian 🇮🇹
Akso Manon skin is Darker
In Animaestro manon clone with Blight skin and 👱 hair
@@polishalastor142 well yes😭 this why this theory doesn't makes sense
Technically Lila and Manon both appeared in "Kwamibuster" and "Gamer 2.0.".
Time travel
Manon is French 🇫🇷 , Lila is Italian @@portalpony9412
Lila is Pathological liar
Manon skin is Darker
They arent the same person
@@polishalastor142 Manon she can't have grown so fast in a year, since she goes to the same class as Marinette, it's humanly impossible.
@@Lele-1208 the theory Is that Lila its Manon from the future
@@portalpony9412 that's impossible becuse wouldn't the time line be all messed up and Lila voice would be backwards just like chat noir
Lila’s mum in Heroes Day looked like a future version of Nadia
Is everyone forgetting that Lila tried to befriend Marinette in Chameleon she started to have a grudge against her because Mari showed her true opinion about Lila
Pathological liar Lila/ Cerise
I heard she is Reformable instead of Chloe
@@MajarahArxias people forget a lot about lila unfortunately. They get too stuck on hating her. Real shame tbh. Shes a very compelling character.
Yeah. It was only after Lila/Cerise realized "cr@p this one has a functioning brain" that she put Mari on her vendetta list
She only wanted to keep Marinette silent, not look for a genuine friendship
There's also the theory that she's Marinette's half-sister.
I actually would love this theory
If they are really related, I would be happier if they were cousins or distant relatives rather than Marinette and Lila being half-siblings. We know very little about Marinette's family and relatives anyway.
Curious. How would that work though? Lila and Mari are the same age soo…
@Wayward_Insomniac So, the theory is that they have the same dad. Marinette's dad supposedly had a relationship with whoever gave birth to Lila. So, they could be the same age and still be half-siblings. If it was the same mom, THEN it would be impossible.
You are using a theory that I co-created.
All i know is since I've become obsessed with figuring out who lila is, I've adopted her and become the general of her mom army.
For real though i do think the lila minon theory is really compelling. I'll need to look into it more and see what connections i can find.
There are alot. I have everything written down trying t[ figure it out too. Remembering Thomas said "we already told you but you didn't listen"
@SkyThePastelAlien i have a 3 part over analysis on tumblr where i spent way too much time overanalyzing everything about lila and what she says and does. It truly is unhinged 😂
Manon is French 🇫🇷
Lila is Italian 🇮🇹 and Pathological liar
Manon skin is Darker
They Arent the same person !
@@polishalastor142 while i do agree that i don't think manon and lila ate the same person, i think the possibility is still intriguing. As for her being italian, manon may be half italian. We don't know who her father is. Or even lila may be lying about being italian at all. The most evidence we have that she is is her word as well as her names. She always seems to have an italian last name, so this does suggest she is at least part italian, but even then we can't say for sure yet. As for skin tones, there isn't much of a difference in skin tones, but it is notable enough that it may disprove the lila-manon thing altogether. At the same time they may not have initially planned on having a connection between lila and manon. If we are going to apply real life logic, lila might just not get as much sun. I know i had darker skin when i was a kid because i spent so much time outside, but now I'm pretty pale. That being said, this is a cartoon so id assume to keep things simpler, they'd want to make sure if someone is the same character but younger, they'd have the same skin color, so i don't know.
I do think the Supreme is Master Fu, because he entrusted the miraculous to Marinette and Adrien and he's the last guardian
The thing is even if Manon has those 3 flowers, she doesn't have just 3 but 5 identites shown so far
I didn't see the photo of Manon in the movie
Facial features don't drastically change from child to adult, there is still some resemblance, people recognize me from second grade
And Lyla/Cerise's eyes look like Kagami's she at least has a Japanese mother or father, Manon doesn't look oriental
My theory was what if she is manon older sister that was given to a orphanage because her mother wasn’t ready to raise a child
I think it would be kind of a stretch to say Lila used the Rabbit Hole since we know Akumatized Powers can include Time Travel like Time Tagger from the future and Lila in the London Special well two powers in one also being Invisibility. While we knew she happened to be at the right place at the right time to get the Butterfly Miraculous, I just wonder how she figured out how EXACTLY where Ladybug was going to be at the events directly at the end Season 5 with her sudden and quick knowledge of the rest of that day. That is MAYBE the only issue I have with the Special
@@SetoShadowVT at the very least, we know she was aware that gabriel was hawkmoth. In the season 5 finale we also see her walk into the agreste mansion while hawkmoth and ladybug are fighting, where she sees the gaping hole leading to Gabe's secret lair. Id say she probably just went down after ladybug left
She figured out that battle is going on in agreste mansion because she knew Monarch is Gabriel agreste, It's not that hard 😒
Bro, lots of ppl think that the overall theory is ridiculous and fake.
It kind of makes it creepy though if she tried to get with Adriene even though she was a child when she first met him.
3:37 Mayura and Rena Rouge does the same thing
4:11 Adrien is in the center, and Nadia is the journalist so Lila could’ve just use those photos Natalie sent her to send those to Nadia
Mayura and Rena does the same thing? Wtf this even mean?
@ Rena can speak through her illusions and Mayura can speak through the senti monsters
I'm not trying to say that your theory is wrong but the skin tones I think they're different maybe it's very different for them to be the same person but I enjoyed the theory
Yeah
Manon skin is Darker
We see Manon for the first time in the first episode of season 1, and we see Lila for the first time in the last episode of season 1. We see Lila at the end of the season for the first time, but we've already seen her in the first episode... As Thomas/Jeremy said (I can't remember who said it, bruh), the real villain has always been there...
You said Lyla and Manon never appear together in an episode TimeTagger she babysat Manon, Chris, and the twins, and you said Manon has been forgotten indicating sense Puppeteer? Manon was in Puppeteer 2, Manon, Chris and the twins were in Simpleman, no little kids were in Season 5
Cerise is Manon, is completely stupid, because in this case, how she arrived in this timeline without Butterfly or Rabiit Miraculous power?
Exactly
that's what we are gonna know maybe she's stuck in time because of smth happen we just have to wait and know
Nah she can use the butterfly miraculous to give herself the power to travel in the past
@@toybonnie6857 Okay, but in this case, she should have the Butterfly Miraculous of her timeline. Except if the heroes have success to recover it.
@@chrysalis4mlb By Time Tagger Maybe
Maybe her multiple disguises are her cover as an agent for a secret organization and she was only testing the heroic characters. It can be anything.
Also she is Older Than she looks (19 -21)
Omg I believe this you convinced me this is amazing
Even if it was Manon, It would have to mean that Lila/Cerise/Iris would have the clock/rabbit miraculous. If that's the case then why hasn't she used it up till now or that Bunnix hasn't picked up on it? Unless this is a Manon from an alt universe or timeline where she wished for something only to be stuck in the universe we see now. Then her reason for being the new Hawk Moth would be that she simply wants to maybe undue her wish or wish for something new as a result. To me the theory still doesn't add up like how Felix and Adrien are sentimonsters. It just seems like bad writing.
Although proposed theory, Lila/Cerise/Iris would be a older sister to Manon who was forgotten about or erased, but when she tried to get back with her family they just couldn't or didn't believe it. Hence why she needs to be the center of attention. She uses others and goes under different identities to survive, but always keeps a close track on her biological family. It doesn't completely make sense either, but it's an idea.
Maybe she somehow managed to time travel without getting caught?
@@UrSammich i like your theory that she's a forgotten sister
Lila is an Orphan propably
Chloe deserves another chance to do good in future seasons as Queen Bee. We need to convince Jeremy Zag to take over from thomas astruc to fix and change Chloe Bourgeois' redemption!
Too late for Chloe redemption
Iirc that's what already happened; she's based on a irl bully Thomas knew, but the other writers developed the character into near redemtion so Thomas got butt hurt about it and un-did it and said she stays bad bcos i said so.
Plus if u saw the heroes day episode, one of her mums looks like Nadia
Lila can be monos sister who was given to adoption so she mite be angry at mano and hate marionette because mano like marinelle even if she was mano she would figure out that that marionette is ladybug because she figured out Gabriel s identity
iris isn't the one in recreation (edna mode) but the one in london special
This might actually be true because where did lila get the time machine watch she used in the london special 🤔 unless she used it in the future to come back to the past
Maybe they are sisters and Nadia must have gave her to adoption
They must be related, yes. But at this point i think Manon is Lila from the future
I just don't want Manon to be Lila because she is a sweet little girl and Marinette and the others are at least trying to be a better influence on her. Lilia's only defining characteristic is that everything about her is a lie! We're even left confused on her actual age is! Her first lies were to become popular, then to get a date with Adrien. If she's not a minor, this is some dangerous territory!
Pathetic liar
Mythomania also know as Pathological lying
Definitely Not the same person
Manon is French 🇫🇷
Lila is Italian 🇮🇹
Manon skin tone is Darker
I heard Lila/ Cerise/Iris is Older Than she looks (19- 21 Years old)
It would make sense that Manon is Lila bc in Time Tagger - almost all the akumatized villains are the kids she grew up with - Chris and Aliyah's siblings.
Just lock up Lila in prison for life and take every single miraculous from her and cut her off from all of everything that kept giving her power and all. Lock her up. No trial, no publicity, no bail, no bond, no parole, nothing. Everyone wants her gone for good. After locking her up for good. Treat her like an animal. Everything is Lila's fault. All her actions are her own fault. Marinette is not to blame for any of it.
Exactly. Lila is worse than Chloé
@@jonathanzigterman2379 While I agree with you. I do believe both of them are equally bad people. But I guess the reason why Lila is worse is because Chloe finally got her comeuppance while Lila may have had her true nature exposed. She ran off to avoid getting in trouble like a cowardly little witch she is. And people are still waiting to see if she'll be in prison now that her true nature is exposed.
I wonder if Lila was once given the Ladybug miraculous and if that's why she's in this time period trying to get it back. There was an old episode when Master Fu said he got it wrong but he would not make the mistake again right before giving the miraculous to Marinette. I always wondered who that person was. Maybe it was Lila. She seemed to already know about miraculous, even the fake one she said belonged to her grandmother. I feel like she always knew that Gabriel was Hawkmoth and she used Adrien to get to him. It was always a part of her plan. The Manon theory works until you get to Simpleman where she actually helped Ladybug defeat the villain. I'm not sure about that one. 🤔 It is strange that her and Lila are never in the same episodes together.
100 years ago Master Fu lost 2 Miraculous - Buttefly 🦋 Miraculous and Peacock 🦚 Miraculous
@@sandrawilliams302 in regards to master fu saying that, i actually have a different theory. I think it was tomoe tsurugi. I cant remember why i think this at the moment, but if i remember right, there was some interesting evidence. For one she was aware of the miraculous and she told gabe about them.
@@mk-sh6iy you know, I thought about it being Mrs. Tsurgi as well but after Lila became the new Hawkmoth, I was just trying to figure out why she would want or know anything about the miraculous. Mrs. Tsurgi makes so much more sense and we never found out what her and Gabriel were really up to. What was their true plan?
my theory is lila is manon from the future and something got messed up in time and it sent lila to her past her i think her wish was to take the rabbit miraculous from the other times to be able to stop marinette from ruining her chances with adrien and steal the butterfly miraculous from gabriel when he first became hawkmoth so marinette would gave never became ladybug she would then be able to steal all miraculous from master fu
How did Lila know Gabriel’s identity
Good question 🤔
Maybe 🤔
She is from Future
LIE-LA is literally the worst character in the show.
Yeah
She is
𝑰 𝟏𝟎𝟎% 𝒂𝒈𝒓𝒆𝒆 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉 𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒔
I think this theory couldn't be true because how did Cerise just time travel from the future to the past, she couldn't do that.
There have been time traveling Akumas.
I kinda of agree since Lila appear at the end of season 1 and timetager was in season 3 where we meet Buninx
Manon is French 🇫🇷
Lila is Italian 🇮🇹,her false identities Represents Italian flag color palette
@@changtrakuldadawongpuapan7004Bunnix
@@polishalastor142 yeah
but you also forget to mention about the fact that her names Lila, Cerise and Iris are based on plants:
Lila is based on flowers called lilas.
Cerise means cherry in french which is based on cherry blossoms.
Iris is based on flowers with the same name.
Lila is orphan.
Her parets don want have her becuz she lies evryone and hurt feelings.
She hate Marinette, but donnt know the phoenix can make her lost evryfing.
I believe lila is manoon big sister and nadia first child
Who knows 🤔
Everyone is possible in Miraculous Ladybug
That would be better than this dumb theory
@FJay-g6r Lila is Italian 🇮🇹
Manon is French 🇫🇷
Manon skin is Darker
Definitely Not the same person
How do Lila and Manon exist in the same universe then?If Lila travelled through time how did she?More over maybe the picture of Nadia ressembled something else?How do Lila and Manon simultaneously exist if they are the same person?I personally think that this theory of Lila being Manon can not be real.If it is then how do they simultaneously exist?🤨🤔🧐😮🙊
I wanted to see Lila's entire backstory.
Lila And Manon Are The Same Person That Is Crazy But It Makes So Much Sense
There should be Lila/Cerise/ whatever her other name is for her story in season 6 & what is Lila's plans for season 6 through 8
Pupetear: Controls Heros And Villains With Their Dolls
Volpina: Controls Illusions And Controls Others
Me: Yeah They Are The Same Person It’s True
They arent the same person
Manon skin is Darker
My 3 theories of Lila:
1. Lila could be Manon from the future. But the motive I do not know her motive if that the case.
2. Lila could be Marinette older half-sister that Marinette doesn't know about. Lila was living with her biological father.Take Chloe mother we don't know what she been doing in NYC.But when Zoey was introduced as Chloe half-sister it does hint that what Audrey been doing the whole time giving birth to Zoey and raising her.A strong hint that Chloe Mother prefer Zoey over Chloe over time. So Lila must think that Sabine giving birth to Marinette that she completeely forgotten her and wanted revenge.
3. Lila could be an adult once a celebrity but now she is a has-been just wanted revenge.
Marinette mom Sabine in Chinese
Lila is Italian 🇮🇹 , even her False identities refer to Italian flag
I heard a Theory that's Tom Marinette father is Lila Father
Zoé
Wow I love your voice. You should try doing voice acting.
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Girl where do you get miraculous season 6
First of all I call bullshit , second of all I’m like 98% positive that pic of maroon is from an episode in the first season, ain’t no GODDAMN WAY! they planned all this from the jump y’all are crazy
Manon
Lila's eye color and Manoon's eye color are identical. What if Manoon has the ability to alter her size and age appearances?
I think that Lila might have a condition which leads her to have multiple personalities by the way, there is a real condition that lets people have more than one personality maybe Lila has this and because she learned to be very intimidating and is great at lying she can pull this off. She has multiple identities she has a plan. We only know a part of it, which is well making sure Marinette‘s life is ruined. But I don’t think that’s her full plan because no one would need multiple identities to ruin someone’s life. She must be thinking to do something way. Worse. As soon as she got the butterfly miraculous. We knew that she wanted ladybug and cat noir’s miraculous but why does she need them? She definitely knows that combining these two jewelry will make a wish. And even if she was a kid I think it would be the other way around maybe Lila being the kid ( sorry I don’t know how to spell the kids name ) because think about it how can she change bodies that easily? Even if Lila‘s hand was smaller in one scene. Maybe she’s not even human. Because if she can change bodies that easily, then she can’t be human. She can be a Santa monster. Maybe made by the peacock miraculous or a miraculous from another miraculous box. 📦 maybe one master fo made a mistake when he was younger accidentally created something much bigger maybe he accidentally made Lila it’s impossible. She’s human because the woman can literally change bodies into a kid. Plus, how does she know Marinette in the beginning she must have seen her success or was jealous of her or Marinette has something she needs. Plus, Lila only only lied about Marinette to try and ruin her life, but how does she even know Marinette? The first day of school we realize that Lila doesn’t like Mariette. It means Lila definitely knows her and plus. Marinette babysits the kid. A.k.a. Lila in our theory. Lila must want something very big or she might need something very big. Her plan must have took her years to prepare. She must’ve done some research about the miraculous to know so much about it. We all know she wants something, but what? A part of her plan was to ruin Marinette‘s life and turn everyone against Marinette, but that failed because in one episode they call Lila admitting everything. When they were telling Sabrina to hand over the proof. So yea ….
Mythomania also know as Pathological lying
She is Pathological liar
Manon
Sent are Only Adrien, Felix and Kagami
Only one Peacock 🦚 Miraculous exist
She lying not Only about Marinette
Or, she's Manon's older Sister. Abadan by her mother and wants the life that was taken, then neglected by her new family as well.
I hate lila
I just really wish that they were just put her to go to jail for life all of the manipulation and the identity theft
Nah this don't make sense she could be either manoon lost sister you know her Older sister that i don't know given up for adoption because the mother that was young didn't wanted to ruined her careers as a news reporter but gets more angry and gets pregnant again by giving birth to mannon which made her more angry being forgotten
I'd prefer that twist
Also Lila/Iris/Cerise never had a love intrest in Adrien, she just wanted to keep Adrien Marinette away from eachother so that she (Manon) could get more time with Marinette insteas of having Marinette just not caring about her and drooling over Adrien
Manon is French 🇫🇷
Lila is Italian 🇮🇹
Also Manon skin is Darker
Definitely they are not the same person
@polishalastor142 maybe she could paint herself like Michel Jackson. And about the countries, have You ever heard about a Child being born on a different country then their parents? And we don't know where her father is from.
@OrangeM_42 Alec a tv presenter was propably a donor
He as Manon mom Nadja friend
@@polishalastor142 we don't know
@OrangeM_42 Manon and Alec have The same skin tone/color
I though They are ,they Could be related
Wouldn’t bunnix know and put her back in her timeline
@@ItzGabe1 not if it was necessary for her to be there for the timeline to run like normal
@ that is a good point
I love your sprite, it is so cute
I think Lyla is her own character and isn’t connected to Manon
Yeah propably
Manon have Dark skin
They arent the same person
Is she even a teenager? Or in her 20s?
19 - 21 Years old
She Could be Older Than she looks
*Is ToonTime! an AI because her voice sure sounds like it*
Still think that the new Hawkmoth is actually the Supreme that appeared and replaced lila at the end of Season 5!
I understand what you said but Manon had a better relationship with Marinette, every time she comes out in the end.
I think Lila is Manon but the one in the multiverse but multiverse Manon could've had a worser relationship with Marinette because the Multiverse Marinette was her past self or like Shadybug, her villain identity, so Manon plotted Revenge on all Marinettes ' but also the little girl could be like a thief or gangster, too!
Crazy 😮
Only a Theory
Sorry, not buying this.
just noticed this but if you look at the before and after transformation of lila from the butterfly kwami at the beginning of the video she doesn't have a chest but after she detransforms she does. Is this something else that is fake? all the other miraculous holders haven't had any changes to their body at all just the hair
It would be crazy if they were actually siblings
Oh no
Not that
Screams Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Lila And Manon Are The Same Person Aaaaaaaa How Didn’t Know About This I’m The Biggest Fan Of The Show
Some Flowers In Manon’s Outfit Are Lila Iris And Cherry Blosoms
Actually when I sold the first scene of London Paris special I saw that Laila has the bag of Maria shamak I think she is I think she is Manan you are right but I haven't question how did she become so big like how man on was so small how to become so big
How did she know the secret identities of the people who have the miraculous but they were revealed in the future. that proves it. SERIOUSLY lila
7:27 they do see each other at the same time
I really like lila 😂😂
Lila is the real child of Gabriel and Amilie ,
But in one episode we saw lila mom and she called her my lila's name lila
Its one of her False identities
She have 3 Moms
I Should Have Known About This I’m The Biggest Fan Of This Show
no i am
Her False identities Represents 🇮🇹
😮
I think 5hat Manon and Marinette had something else happen than made manon mad at her
yeah exactly as i thought but that thing has to be not only big but like catastrophic
4:55 And that Nadia's hair may have been dyed purple
Nadja
6:31 Marinette Suprised Face N No It Can’t B Be Manon And Lila A Are The Same Person
Or maybe lila is manon from the future
2:05 yes