You can also remove the spring loaded screw on the throttle governor (near where I have the wire). This also gives you the ability to somewhat bypass the governor, but you really have to twist the throttle grip a lot. The wire mod makes the range of movement much less, and more sensitive.
Mine is the 2020 2nd generation model. Full disc brakes. Paid $889.00 free ship & no tax. The frame is Machine MiG welded and is a beautiful piece of work. Mine runs great, rides great and I thoroughly enjoy my leisurely rides. I tweak it/once over weekly. Plan to remove Governor, smaller rear sprocket and some ThickSlick tires and blinkers/headlamp.
Flaming Lemon Bloody Yellow. That'll get ya noticed, mate, along with the people who went for the Exploding Fluorescent Chartreuse paint scheme. hahahahahaha
I removed the governor from the inside to keep all of the external linkages. I up jetted the carb 2 sizes. I also removed the head and ported polished and milled the head. Do not mill more than.0004. Clearance is tight.
I have the bike in Black. I had to take the tires loose and install baby powder in the wheels. Also make sure to turn the wheel and put it on its side to evenly distribute the baby powder and then are up sideways the wheel that is. Since doing this years ago my tubes and tires last for years. Before I knew of this I was having all kinds of tube and tire problems.
I rolled my throttle cable up in a little round circle put it in a go Joe hand cleaner plastic bottle soaked in new motor oil for days. WOW REALLY MADE THROTTLE SO EASY TO TURN AND LOOSEN THROTTLE LINKAGE NUT AND OIL TOO.
Great video, I'm planning on picking one of these up. What resources have you found on the engine? I would be interested in removing the internal governor as well. Also, if the engine goes would you replace it with the same one? If so where would you source one?
There's some videos on UA-cam on how to remove the internal governor. The engines are pretty cheap, I beleive even harbor and freight carries a similar one. You could easily get the identical engine or something even bigger
There's a 3 horsepower Lifan 80 cc that comes on the fat motobike. Lifan has a 3 horsepower the same physical size but it's a 100 CC. I guess it may have more torque. Lifan didn't seem to know when I called them. But my experience with car engines even with the same horsepower the bigger the engine the more torque in most cases. And the bigger the engine the more fuel it burns.
I did the governor pass upgrade I hit 32 mph on it really good smooth bike I had a 50cc engine on a vshape frame this is way better upgrade is the bike street legal and does it require using helmet?
Are you sure you aren't confusing the choke with the carb fuel switch? The switch on the side that says ON/OFF is the carb fuel line, the black lever at the top of the carb is the choke. It's easy to mix them up. I did too.
@@909cobra mine is the same.. Runs all day and good with the flap towards on switch it to off and it won't even start going and runs like ass I haven't figured it out either
They're all like that. I think in the factory in China somewhere they had a bunch of old stickers laying around from a different motor, and decided it was cheaper to use them rather than reprint new ones. Either that or on means the motor is on and not the choke is on.
You might want to take the air filter cover off and verify if the choke is on or off. Those choke stickers are cheesy I moved mine on top of the air cleaner housing.
The governor is there for legal reasons these can only go so fast before they loose their motorized bicycle classification and then they become classified as mopeds or scooters at least that's my states classification law not sure about yours. These engines are the same as entry level scooters use and can get speeds up to 40 mph but I wouldn't try it on this as it could be dangerous. Long story short the engine will not crap out on you but the chain is a concern other than that your good.
I'm a little confused, so by doing this you are getting the full power potential of the engine by bypassing the governor (which limits the throttle?). But by doing this are you idling at much higher rpms? Looking to get one of these and I would like to get the most power out of it as possible, what's you're top speed and cruising speed? Thanks
The idle remains the same, this just bypasses the whole external governor, so you get direct throttle control without the spring allowing the throttle to back out from the internal governor. Some people remove the internal governor, (have to open crankcase) and that gives you even more power. I might do that in the future but for now, 30mph is plenty fast
Top speed I've hit is about 30mph, but it's still being broken in so I don't go wide open throttle for too long. I cruise at about 20. It has a nice sound to it at cruising speed
Or put a 98cc coleman motor on it ,raise it an inch, and you'll have better torque, more power!, and not have to worry bout bike ,splitting in half, they advise not putting anything bigger than a 160 cc motor on these frames(aluminum) just giving ya heads up! Stay safe!
It is worth it because of the simplicity of design. Just be aware that it is mass production and there are various loose bolts and things. Lube the clutch right away. I barely rode mine 2 miles and it was was squawking.
Hay do you thank a Honda GL 120cc fit in its place have anyone did all the mods on this engine don't they sell a cam and lighter flywheel carb and exhaust kit for it
Don't know but I put like 5 mods in my wifes crf 100, now it's a crf 120. Much more lively but gets less mileage but I brought some back with a small rear sprocket. It was getting 120 miles on 1.4 gallons before all the mods.
Na bro, play with gearing and the throttle mine does High thirties on flat ground. Low forties downhill no bs using GPS as a speedometer. My wife followed me home one day because it got dark I was on the bike she was in the car. She was like holly Sh#@ you were doing almost 40 mph all the way home. 👍👍
yeah, where these motors lack in HP and RPM range, they make up in torque. A smaller gear on the rear wheel will get it moving right. They're geared conservatively from the factory for obvious reasons.
I pedal alot with engine off to get a work out. I always pedal with engine on and riding pretty slow. Riding slower in any gasoline engine gets better fuel mileage. I get about 140 - 170 miles to the gallon roughly! Gas tank is less than a gallon it's .70 of a gallon. The Phatmoto the best fuel mileage than anything I ever owned beside a non motor pedal bicycle, running or walking!!!
I would be curious to see if removing the governor gear really make it any faster then just bypassing it! I think putting a bigger carburetor would do more, but but I admit I don't know. All I know is I ride mine pretty much open throttle all the time. I can't kill it. Granted not the best sounding motor but it is pretty tough.
So far i just lubed the chain after fully breaking the motor in and a few shakedown runs. Lube the clutch or it will bite you. A little oil behind the sprocket every ride. 2 drops should suffice.
Short answer yes. But eventually you work out most of the Kinks. At first you're fixing it more than you're riding it. But eventually everything starts gel correctly. The biggest thing from me was getting the clutch to work correctly and getting all the tension and alignment right. The chains will start to stretch a little bit causing headaches.
Just took my bike out for the first time......no power no acceleration, has trouble even disengaging the clutch because the engine won't accelerate..acting likes it starving for gas, but gas is getting through to the carb. Any ideas anyone, this shouldn't be happening with brand new out of the box bike.
Great looking bike but I think I'll wait until they make their fuel injected version I hate dealing with carburetors and would prefer to pay more for it then they have to deal with one.
I got a 2020 Phatmoto all terrain it leaks gas between the carb and intake port, the bearings are shit brakes are shit it's basically an incindiary bomb diguised as a bicycle and my best advice is DO NOT BUY A PHATMOTO period full fucking stop.
I have a 2019 model bought it when they first come out. You do have to maintance and keep up on them. A motorcycle or ATV alot less maintance and repair. Depending on price and where you live would you sell it?
I have a 2023 Phatmoto Rover just got it about 6 days ago and i already had a leak from the fule line the first night I drove it so have to keep outside
@@Zx14rrrrrrrrrrr oh my God the forks that come with it or tiny little spring front end Forks it only has a disc brake on the front front and a pull lever on the back it's got stupid extra wide low handlebars the gas valves in the wrong spot the engine is kind of crappy. Crank arms are super weak the first time that the bike slightly fell over the crank arms bit the kickstand was all bent and didn't really work very good yeah I'm like there's more I'm sure that I can complain about this bike the frame is the best thing but they put the gas valve in the wrong spot
@@Zx14rrrrrrrrrrr I feel slightly ripped off figuring that I bought my bike in October and it cost a thousand bucks and then in December they were like $599 and the new model the 2020 was $699
@@Zx14rrrrrrrrrrr oh yeah the back tire had some like abrasion and when I was riding it from San Rafael to La it was wearing through the side of the tire and I thought I fixed it and I had to order couple tires and it kept eating holes in it and then the back bearings went out where the rear hub was that was just all all bad it was all bad I still have the frame and I have upgraded everything everything
You can also remove the spring loaded screw on the throttle governor (near where I have the wire). This also gives you the ability to somewhat bypass the governor, but you really have to twist the throttle grip a lot. The wire mod makes the range of movement much less, and more sensitive.
Mine is the 2020 2nd generation model. Full disc brakes. Paid $889.00 free ship & no tax. The frame is Machine MiG welded and is a beautiful piece of work. Mine runs great, rides great and I thoroughly enjoy my leisurely rides. I tweak it/once over weekly. Plan to remove Governor, smaller rear sprocket and some ThickSlick tires and blinkers/headlamp.
Flaming Lemon Bloody Yellow. That'll get ya noticed, mate, along with the people who went for the Exploding Fluorescent Chartreuse paint scheme. hahahahahaha
I removed the governor from the inside to keep all of the external linkages. I up jetted the carb 2 sizes. I also removed the head and ported polished and milled the head. Do not mill more than.0004. Clearance is tight.
I have the bike in Black. I had to take the tires loose and install baby powder in the wheels. Also make sure to turn the wheel and put it on its side to evenly distribute the baby powder and then are up sideways the wheel that is. Since doing this years ago my tubes and tires last for years. Before I knew of this I was having all kinds of tube and tire problems.
I rolled my throttle cable up in a little round circle put it in a go Joe hand cleaner plastic bottle soaked in new motor oil for days. WOW REALLY MADE THROTTLE SO EASY TO TURN AND LOOSEN THROTTLE LINKAGE NUT AND OIL TOO.
Thanks for the video. If you get a chance, it would be nice to see an update. I am curious how the Phatmoto has held up.
mine broke and realy pourly built maybe i should post more about my exp with bike
Yeah totally forgot to give an upload I'll probably do it sometime this week now that it's running
Still running strong here 💪
Thanks for info! I got 2 one yellow and one black. Yeah I'm buying fender's soon 😎😎👍👍
Cool that makes you twice the fool I am I only bought one.
@@thadnipper9411 whys he a fool theyre good bikes lol
I want to hear how loud the motor is.
Great video, I'm planning on picking one of these up. What resources have you found on the engine? I would be interested in removing the internal governor as well. Also, if the engine goes would you replace it with the same one? If so where would you source one?
There's some videos on UA-cam on how to remove the internal governor. The engines are pretty cheap, I beleive even harbor and freight carries a similar one. You could easily get the identical engine or something even bigger
@@TurokRC Is there a model number or name brand on the engine?
@Rational Dreamer ua-cam.com/video/uDhbB2ZsOD4/v-deo.html this is one video of a similar predator engine. It'd be the same process
@@northlander1948 it's a Lifan engine. Very well known and reliable engine company in Asia. Used in many scooters and motorcycles etc there.
There's a 3 horsepower Lifan 80 cc that comes on the fat motobike. Lifan has a 3 horsepower the same physical size but it's a 100 CC. I guess it may have more torque. Lifan didn't seem to know when I called them. But my experience with car engines even with the same horsepower the bigger the engine the more torque in most cases. And the bigger the engine the more fuel it burns.
I did the governor pass upgrade I hit 32 mph on it really good smooth bike I had a 50cc engine on a vshape frame this is way better upgrade is the bike street legal and does it require using helmet?
Nice looking bike bro
Good looking bike, great modification too, Mine is pretty fast too.
@Basil Carpenter jr Which video do you mean?
fast at 18 to 23mph .. lol
The stock small spring that came with mine sucks so I'll probably do the wire trick instead
these bikes, they have mudguards or lights? I would like to buy one but with light and fender caps (mudguards)
Bom dia, como foi feito o sistema "Jack shaft"?? Como ficou o eixo?
i have a question. my bike will only run with the choke on. what could it be. going to strip the carb this weekend??? need ideas.l
Are you sure you aren't confusing the choke with the carb fuel switch? The switch on the side that says ON/OFF is the carb fuel line, the black lever at the top of the carb is the choke. It's easy to mix them up. I did too.
@@TurokRC nope its the black lever that says choke near the air filter. when i switch it off and give it gas it stalls. im going to clean the carb,
@@909cobra mine is the same.. Runs all day and good with the flap towards on switch it to off and it won't even start going and runs like ass I haven't figured it out either
They're all like that. I think in the factory in China somewhere they had a bunch of old stickers laying around from a different motor, and decided it was cheaper to use them rather than reprint new ones. Either that or on means the motor is on and not the choke is on.
You might want to take the air filter cover off and verify if the choke is on or off. Those choke stickers are cheesy I moved mine on top of the air cleaner housing.
The governor is there for legal reasons these can only go so fast before they loose their motorized bicycle classification and then they become classified as mopeds or scooters at least that's my states classification law not sure about yours. These engines are the same as entry level scooters use and can get speeds up to 40 mph but I wouldn't try it on this as it could be dangerous. Long story short the engine will not crap out on you but the chain is a concern other than that your good.
Ziptie through Governor spring to prevent it stretching. Problem solved
I'm a little confused, so by doing this you are getting the full power potential of the engine by bypassing the governor (which limits the throttle?). But by doing this are you idling at much higher rpms? Looking to get one of these and I would like to get the most power out of it as possible, what's you're top speed and cruising speed? Thanks
The idle remains the same, this just bypasses the whole external governor, so you get direct throttle control without the spring allowing the throttle to back out from the internal governor. Some people remove the internal governor, (have to open crankcase) and that gives you even more power. I might do that in the future but for now, 30mph is plenty fast
Top speed I've hit is about 30mph, but it's still being broken in so I don't go wide open throttle for too long. I cruise at about 20. It has a nice sound to it at cruising speed
It just has more kick and and top speed around 32. Response is way better so if you ride in traffic it helps a bunch.
Or put a 98cc coleman motor on it ,raise it an inch, and you'll have better torque, more power!, and not have to worry bout bike ,splitting in half, they advise not putting anything bigger than a 160 cc motor on these frames(aluminum) just giving ya heads up! Stay safe!
How fast dose it go?
Bout 30
Still holding up good?
Yessir
thinking of buying one for 700 dollars is it worth it?
It is worth it because of the simplicity of design. Just be aware that it is mass production and there are various loose bolts and things. Lube the clutch right away. I barely rode mine 2 miles and it was was squawking.
@@shookydam23 how do you lube it?
Hay do you thank a Honda GL 120cc fit in its place have anyone did all the mods on this engine don't they sell a cam and lighter flywheel carb and exhaust kit for it
Don't know but I put like 5 mods in my wifes crf 100, now it's a crf 120. Much more lively but gets less mileage but I brought some back with a small rear sprocket. It was getting 120 miles on 1.4 gallons before all the mods.
Whats the top speed without governer
35ish
I'm making a video soon😂
Hey bro, how fast does it go now with the mod.? I saw that it was slower than most e-bikes in a vid. and totally dropped the idea of buying one.
It will go about 25-30mph
Na bro, play with gearing and the throttle mine does High thirties on flat ground. Low forties downhill no bs using GPS as a speedometer. My wife followed me home one day because it got dark I was on the bike she was in the car. She was like holly Sh#@ you were doing almost 40 mph all the way home. 👍👍
@@marcs4091 With what kind of modifications did you make?
yeah, where these motors lack in HP and RPM range, they make up in torque. A smaller gear on the rear wheel will get it moving right. They're geared conservatively from the factory for obvious reasons.
@@joeMW284 They went up a lot in price across the board!
where do you buy these engines I cannot find them anywhere
phatmoto website has em in stock
I will go to the website thanks a lot@@RayRayGaming-cr3rw
How long can u ride on a full tank.
I pedal alot with engine off to get a work out. I always pedal with engine on and riding pretty slow. Riding slower in any gasoline engine gets better fuel mileage. I get about 140 - 170 miles to the gallon roughly! Gas tank is less than a gallon it's .70 of a gallon. The Phatmoto the best fuel mileage than anything I ever owned beside a non motor pedal bicycle, running or walking!!!
just curious how heavy is this
Not sure of the exact weight, think it will be listed on their site. I can pick it up with both hands
I got a bike that will be this that doesn't take any gas at all
It still has the governor on it you need to remove it.
Do you mean the internal governor? I may do that at a later date, once it's broken in a bit more
I would be curious to see if removing the governor gear really make it any faster then just bypassing it! I think putting a bigger carburetor would do more, but but I admit I don't know. All I know is I ride mine pretty much open throttle all the time. I can't kill it. Granted not the best sounding motor but it is pretty tough.
I hit 32 mph on mine with the governor modification
do these bikes require a lot of maintenance?
Just like any gas bike, oil changes, tightening stuff, regular bike maintenence
4 stroke the best if you ride it lots 6months oil change or once a year little.
Use right fuel no need to use premium fuel
So far i just lubed the chain after fully breaking the motor in and a few shakedown runs. Lube the clutch or it will bite you. A little oil behind the sprocket every ride. 2 drops should suffice.
Short answer yes. But eventually you work out most of the Kinks. At first you're fixing it more than you're riding it. But eventually everything starts gel correctly. The biggest thing from me was getting the clutch to work correctly and getting all the tension and alignment right. The chains will start to stretch a little bit causing headaches.
shookydam23 What oil do you recommend? Thanks
Just took my bike out for the first time......no power no acceleration, has trouble even disengaging the clutch because the engine won't accelerate..acting likes it starving for gas, but gas is getting through to the carb. Any ideas anyone, this shouldn't be happening with brand new out of the box bike.
You may have the choke the wrong way
@@TurokRC No, I do understand the choke positions
um um um um um um ahhh ahhh.
Brasil?
80cc 😂 needs a 212 😎
Quién me podria vender un marco de esos para armar mi bicimotor
Great looking bike but I think I'll wait until they make their fuel injected version I hate dealing with carburetors and would prefer to pay more for it then they have to deal with one.
They wont make a fuel injection version bro, you must live in lala land
I got a 2020 Phatmoto all terrain it leaks gas between the carb and intake port, the bearings are shit brakes are shit it's basically an incindiary bomb diguised as a bicycle and my best advice is DO NOT BUY A PHATMOTO period full fucking stop.
I have a 2019 model bought it when they first come out. You do have to maintance and keep up on them. A motorcycle or ATV alot less maintance and repair. Depending on price and where you live would you sell it?
I have a 2023 Phatmoto Rover just got it about 6 days ago and i already had a leak from the fule line the first night I drove it so have to keep outside
Just a 79cc predator from harbor freight 100 dollars for that engine
And $300 for the frame. Paid $500 for it total. Perfect.
$380 for mine
this bike sucks i want a refund
Why
@@Zx14rrrrrrrrrrr oh my God the forks that come with it or tiny little spring front end Forks it only has a disc brake on the front front and a pull lever on the back it's got stupid extra wide low handlebars the gas valves in the wrong spot the engine is kind of crappy. Crank arms are super weak the first time that the bike slightly fell over the crank arms bit the kickstand was all bent and didn't really work very good yeah I'm like there's more I'm sure that I can complain about this bike the frame is the best thing but they put the gas valve in the wrong spot
@@Zx14rrrrrrrrrrr I feel slightly ripped off figuring that I bought my bike in October and it cost a thousand bucks and then in December they were like $599 and the new model the 2020 was $699
@@Zx14rrrrrrrrrrr oh yeah the back tire had some like abrasion and when I was riding it from San Rafael to La it was wearing through the side of the tire and I thought I fixed it and I had to order couple tires and it kept eating holes in it and then the back bearings went out where the rear hub was that was just all all bad it was all bad I still have the frame and I have upgraded everything everything
@@Zx14rrrrrrrrrrr he says it's quiet it is not quiet that is a loud bike