Björk has no time for your sexism bullshit 1994
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- Опубліковано 24 лис 2024
- A recently resurfaced clip of 90s Björk talking about gender stereotyping is still pertinent today.
The interview, which first aired in February 1994 by Spain TV, features the star talking passionately about the issue, following the release of her second album, the appropriately-titled, Debut.
"Men: They can be silly, fat, funny, intelligent, hard-core, sensual, philosophical," says 90s Björk. "But with women they always have to be feminine. Feminine, feminine."
the words "hard core" have never sounded so delightful.
I miss how she rolled her r's before her English became more fluent. It sounded so nice.
hart korr
She sings it pretty awesome too. Especially in "Big Time Sensuality" when she goes down a note but up an octave. It's such a simple yet offbeat effect that my brain is still trying to sort it out a quarter of a century later.
Sound interesting! Somehow I cant hear the effect. In what minute does it happen?
0:09
She is telling people to become more than a general existence of gender. To be a character of creation and expression. To be complicated and free in action and to share it with everyone as she has done with her art. That is the influence I feel from this wonderful lady.
Beautifully said.
@@enricovankeeken1624 what,
It's about being authentic yet not losing your own talent.
I hate that women are always expected to be sexy if they're gonna get much public recognition even for their intellectual accomplishments.
@@Pleasestoptalkingthanks are you stupid
Back in the day when you weren't accused of being a "sjw" for saying something even remotely progressive...
Edit: This thread proves my point beautifully. Anyone today says something like this, they'll get dragged by the internet and lumped into the sjw category. But because this is Bjork and this was recorded in the 90s, suddenly it's "profound" and "progressive". If a young person says this today, they get labeled as
"white knight" (for guys)
"simp" (for guys)
"man hater" (with no evidence to back this claim)
"basic"
"hysterical"
"delusional women who makes things up" (classic gaslighting)
"sjw"
"land whale"
"feminazi"
"libtard"
"whiny"
"someone who bases their whole identity around being a woman because they speak out about women's rights" (even if there's typically no actual evidence to back that claim either)
"woke"
I'm sure Bjork got hate for being a feminist too back in the day, but she doesn't anymore because she's been in the industry for a while and is therefore now well respected by most. If someone like Billie Eilish says something feminist like this, she's made fun of by many, but then 20-30 years from now, people will look back and say, "Omg this is so profound." but then look down at younger artists from the future for doing the same, thus the cycle continues. It's a pattern and y'all don't want to admit that it's true.
Edit: Five years later, and y'all are still proving my point. Can't resist, huh? Keep drinking the Kool aid.
That's because back then, this was actually an issue. Now, feminists are just obnoxious whiney bitches that harrass people. Women have more rights now than ever before.
Tom Foolery it’s still an issue; women have the same rights legally but not societally. Radical feminism is giving actual feminism a bad rep; please try to understand.
No, there's a HUGE difference. She's saying here that she wants people to be seen as individuals first and foremost. Today's SJWs treat everyone as if their skin color/gender is the most important thing for how you perceive them. It's a really sick attitude, it's divisive and it's why people hate it.
Tom Foolery wow
Because this was perfectly reasonable and well put back then. Nowadays sjws get offended over ANYTHING and want to limit the speech of others because it *may* offend someone, that isn't even them. Policing what the others can say. Getting offended in behalf of others. And most importantly, considering all opinions BUT those from white cis males. Isn't that a little sexist and racist?
That rolled r in "hardcore" is just so pleasing to listen to.
I love that idea. "1, 2, 3: they are who there are, and 10. They happen to women." Like theres so much before their gender that makes them who they are. Powerful stuff.
This is what we need in so many areas - gender, race, sexuality, creed.
we are all the same, we are concious all if us.
@@stephenr80 *and i dÍsagree.*
Thinking that gender isn't one of the main factors in who a person is is insane.
@@jasonmaguire7552Actually, no, thinking that someone's gender isn't an essential part of their identity as a human isn't recognized as a mental illness or any form of clinical insanity within officially accepted medical textbooks. Do you have any sources on that claim, or as you just being emotional, Jason?
My kind of woman.
you're my, my, my, my kind of woman
-mac
my, oh my, what a girl
and I'm down on my hands and knees, begging you please baby~
Show me your world 🎶
Ohh brother, sweetheart
I agree with the main message though we cannot deny, that men are expected to be masculine and mocked for showing feminine traits as well. what we also have to bear in mind is that this was 23 years ago
Juraj Jakubec very true, basically i believe femininity itself is shamed, and since people believe girls are meant to be inherently feminine that's why the same people don't approve of masculine females
Femininity isn't shamed, it's shamed in men because a feminine man is seen as a useless man and even a burden to society because of it. A woman is seen as fully human and as a female just for existing. A man must become a real man, and earn his humanity.
I have seen feminine men become socially discarded because no one wants to associate with them. Many of them have to live at the margins of society and what people think is respectable. Its a real shame because feminine men, and I have befriended them, have shown me grace, sweetness, and a side to life I had never known existed. People in society are too preoccupied with having a marriage and a family that anyone who falls outside of that they look at with fear and contempt. However I befriended those men when I was a single woman and I talk with them as much as I can, usually every day.
Pituzer- holy shit, you hit the nail on the head. Though I think the bullying and shit talking applies to a larger age group, as there are immature and ignorant people even as full-grown adults.
I'm a woman too, so I understand the bullshit you can get from others about body hair. ;)
..It's not the opinion of others that matters.... What's actually important is how much time we have left to live on Earth. Will you spend the rest of your days in acceptance of who you truly are regardless of the norms others set for you, or will you continue bending over backwards and pretend to be what you're not to please a bunch of twats?
P.S. I never knew some men could be so stupid though. Wtf?? But all around, there are idiots in both sexes.
This is true... i'm not a man that expresses a lot of masculinity, never been interested in 'guy' things, and so i don't have any guy friends.
The way she says Bullshit is just....*chef's kiss* 🤌🤌
filoshofical
MechanischeAppelsien hey man i miss papa franku
her accent sound so hardcore and sweet * - *
Thats a French pastry inspector!
Intellijar
@@leonoir That's the Eyeshlantik ackshent
Such an inspiring human
I would dispute the point that she is human. Have you seen the cover to Vulnicura? The things she’s been wearing lately on her face? I think she’s a gorgeous, brilliant, musically talented alien who has made earth her home. 😂
I just did, and WOW! I have a huge cock!
BEING that is.😉😂😎🙏💕
*Woman
@@marieellet2424Do you really need to get that specific? It's almost like saying "She's an inspiring Homo Sapien." Lol.
She's so.....so.......un freakin believably cute!!
And smart.
I think I love her.
Bryce she said it in 94 only one in your list was around then
Bryce your dumb. all women are policed and harassed stop being ignorant
Just don't shoot yourself over her.
You missed her point din't you?
+Skosh Tolsen Get a fucking grip and stop cherry picking things to find fault with. He complimented someone he admires. Now go find some dip for that chip on your shoulder and let people be pleasant without dragging some agenda into it.
One of the most unique music artists of our time. Beautiful voice, beautiful songs and she is also a great actor. Loved her in "Dancer In The Dark".
And just a wee bit of a space cadet.
I liked her in The Northman as the witch.
what was the name of the song that played at the end ?
@ChessmindedThinker She's not gone, you know. She's still alive, and unless there's something I don't know about, still making music. She isn't in her 20s anymore, she isn't still with the Sugarcubes. She isn't five anymore, still only being known by Iceland. She is in her 50s, if not 60s. She's mature. And she certainly writes her own songs. I thought that was a well-known fact. Besides, if you want to deny it, then look at her music videos. If not music videos, costumes and outfits. If not any of those, that's denial, my friend.
i love her
SAME.
Why is this bullshit, though?
hey there shelly
Or that its used by both the right AND the left. Like snowflake and safe space. I cringe every time I see a leftist use those words unironically
MrBadApple999 There are touchy hypersensitive people all across the political spectrum though, 'snowflake' applies to them all.
Can't get enough of the way she says "philosophical"
It sounded almost Spanish to me
Some Greeks pronounce it like that lol.
@@gnas1897"Some"?
They all do. She pronounced it perfectly! ❤
@@gnas1897 philosophy, philisophi-cal
@@qwopiretyu I'm mostly talking about the dragged S
I've never seen a video of her before, only heard her music, but damn she's an awesome person
ua-cam.com/video/SNQtQWjX-sA/v-deo.htmlsi=4o2lje6POodj6DEf Bjork dismantles a TV.
You seem to know her entire personality after watching a 50 second clip.
@@BalboaBagginsAre you implying that...there's so much more to a person than their views on gender?
Jk. I think she sounds awesome because she believes there's so much more to a person than their gender, and that women should be able to feel the freedom to show this in how they present themselves just as much as men do.
She is really so intelligent and frank with her feelings and opinions.
I want to sample that tongue-rolling "hallrd-colllre" 😁
Fucking lol
"feelosahfeecahl"
beingsshepherd one of my favorites is in the video when she talks about her new mutual core app and she goes mutual cortrtrtrrr
When she peaks English she sounds like a South African
+beingsshepherd Good lord I hope your avatar is satire.
Never has “This is bullshit” sounded more delightful.
Everything Bjork says sounds delightful, something about her voice.
This is bullshit! I did not hit her, it’s not true! It’s bullshit! I did not hit her! I did not!
i think you can feel pride in your gender but as she says, there’s a person in there first and foremost and expressing that personhood is what makes you special, it’s YOU not your gender or sexuality or race, it’s your spirit, your qualia, your soul
EDIT: I HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE GIFT OF A SPOTLIGHT, BEHOLD MY GLORY YOU PEASANTS!!!!!! (jokes aside, it's neat to see some really cool conversations being had beneath this comment. if only youtube had warned me instead of just letting me come across my 9 month old comment because i got recommended this video again, thanks youtube!)
I always find it odd when people feel pride for non-achievements.
@@zendakk I think its more so what it might represent. You might have been born a man, which is inherently something born to be strong, to protect, to be stoic, or you might have been born a woman, something inherently empathetic, nurturing, and elegant. Its not something you achieved, but it is what you are, and living up to that standard is something to be proud of. I didn't earn it, but I am proud to be an good example of what it is. That's why people say "man up", because being a man is more than just existing.
@@ugne6144 I get what you're saying but I think we should (and can) exceed the stereotypes. For example, cultivating empathy and a few other "typical feminine" qualities did nothing but good for me as a man.
@@zendakk I wholeheartedly agree that men should have empathy. But I think those things are more learned than built in. My sister is naturally empathetic for example, but I have to make a conscious decision to be so. Its not just a stereotype, its a built in function for each gender. It becomes a stereotype when it happens a lot, and it happens a lot because it is inherent.
Humans are about 15% dimorphic from what I recall (dimorphic referring to sexual dimorphism, the differences between the males and females of a species), which is not a lot, but enough for there to be some differences. We are sort of riding a little off of the middle, where we aren't exactly the same, but the differences outside of physical ones are a lot more nuanced, and people can often swing between them. Those differences, however, are very real.
@@zendakk EXACTLY.
"Yes, they happen to be women in the same way you happen to be Spanish and I happen to be Icelandic" I love how she points out these traits in comparison to gender because they show so well how little the body you were born in says about who you are as a person. Imagine if we'd tell people with blue eyes they can never be anything else, like rockstars or politicians, because all they'll ever be is people with blue eyes and others will never look beyond that. Sounds ridiculous right?
incel
Nobody stops anybody to be anything. There is tons of feminine men and masculine women. Her problem is that she want to still be attractive ignoring those patterns, and she could, but just to a few because most love either femininity and masculinity as traits in their partners and associates. In any LGBTQ bar we can find people who act as they want, nobody has a problem with it in 2023
@@cristianproust lol what? She never mentioned attraction at all. She's talking about societal expectations and the desire to be free of those social burdens. I think you just heard the word "feminine" and assumed she was talking about attraction. Pretty interesting that that's immediately where your mind went, don't you think?
@@cristianproust "nobody has a problem with it in 2023" surely doesn't apply to the guys in my neighbourhood that stabbed a gay couple, the guys that scold at me and harass me in online games as soon as they realize I'm a woman, the parents that won't let their daughters play with certain toys or wear certain clothes because "it's for boys", the countless men that still say women belong in the kitchen... the list goes on. Your opinion comes from a privileged male perspective and it shows
@@CitizenVan 😂😂There is no expectation. Many lesbians are pretty masculine and don't care because they don't need men being attracted to them.
She is only complaining that she would lose power over men the moment she starts acting non feminine.
When she is so used to a privilege treatment the moment she is treated as "one of the guys" which is neutral, she does not like it.
Losing privilege feels like discrimination, nobody expect anything from anybody, it is always a choice. Accept reality because it will never change LOL
Sometimes I hate how much I agree with Björk on everything
Well I love it
@@crustpunkjesuschrist hello comrade
Nark ppl who use the phrase SJW completely unironically to try and bring somebody down for having an opinion which differs from theirs are so fucking stupid
@@nicolausteslaus fuck off idiot
If you're as cute as she is, you could pretty much say anything and I'd agree with it.
Friend: What game difficulty do you want it on?
Björk: 0:09
*Hardt Khor*
🤣
thx for the replay
I can totally imagine Björk being a gamer. Even at 56 lol
lmfao
Very thought provoking. She's not trying to put gender out of the equation. But rather trying to bring about the content of a character first. Brilliantly said by her!
Nobody is obliged to do anything. In any LGBTQ bar we can find masculine women and feminine men, and nobody has a problem with it. For the rest, people act a certain way and they label themselves. They enforce femininity because men find it attractive, otherwise they can act as they want. But they can't have their cake and eat it
Yea but gender is an integral part of the character upon which the character is judged. Imagine a man and a woman which do the exact same thing. Are you gonna really judge their character first, based on what they do, and then look at what gender they are? Imagine person 1 and person 2 walk outside at night and they are approached by a mugger. Person 1 hides behind person 2 and person 2 deals with the mugger, either calmly deescalates or punches the mugger out cold.
Case A:
Person 1 = woman -> appropriate reaction, what was she supposed to do?
Person 2 = man -> appropriate reaction, brave, calm, took control of the situation and protected the woman
Case B:
Person 1 = man -> complete coward, hid behind the woman and put the woman in more danger, poor excuse of a man
Person 2 = woman -> incredibly impressive, would have never expected that
So you see, your gender is intertwined with who you are, what you can do and what is expected of you, and you cannot judge a person as a human and abstract their gender out of it. It's not that you're this character and then you just happen to be a woman or a man. No, you are a woman or a man and upon that, the quality of your character is determined based on gender specific criteria.
Yeah but in the video she's stating that men can be anything, but women can't. I understand that this was probably filmed quite a long time ago, when women were still more looked as housewives and men as the providers. The funny thing is nowadays men are more judged by women, then women are by men in the Western countries. Kind of strange how things went upside down. If today a man would state the same thing, he would be laughed at. This just shows that the people who have more power can set the rules of what is acceptable and what isn't.
@@jaqen7122 this is true. The tables flipped complete 180 degrees. Now, women can be anything, and men are scrutinized. Hence all the "patriarchy" talk and men turning into women.
@@jaqen7122 you missed the point which is surprising considering it's clearly laid out. She's not talking and housewives, just about how men have any sort of character, can be funny, fat, philosophical but women are reduced down to femininity. And things never went upside down, men spend their time judging women, just look at all the popular "alpha male" and redpill content.
She spoke some truth right there! ❤
This is why I roll my eyes when people make fun of quirky women. That they’re doing it for male validation. Please. And when a man acts a certain way, who’s he doing that for? Women are dimensional humans too
All I know is that in this day and age. At least where I live. Women can do whatever they like. Both good and bad. I do like that women at least where I'm from can be whoever they want to be. I don't know what it's like in Europe. But it sorta sounds like they're behind the times. Assuming this video is not very old
@@frogman72davitto94There is still a lot of abuse, prejudice and pressure that is against women in the US too.. But to be honest,as long as we won't value relationships as we should, like having a good family and a certain view of how one should grow up, women will never be seen as needing to be respected as much as men, in my opinion. Because this is where women, by default, are really important, needed, and excell.
@@mariec7092 but women dont care about being respect even half as much as a man does! A woman wants to be loved & adored, first and foremost! Respect is reserved to those people who DO things! Its an extrinsic value, and since men are expected to DO things to earn respect, it makes sense. Women want to be appreciated simply for being, whether they do anything or not. LOVE is the vehicle of expression for intrinsic value. There is a huge chasm between the two! They are not the same! The only reason why women say they want respect, is because they know men value it and women SEEK everyone's approval, especially men's!
@@inconnu4961 Why is a 23 years-old virgin trying to tell me what I think ?
@@frogman72davitto94 If by "behind the times" you mean not having that "line of milions" of US bimbo girls that demand a tall, fit, tann, inteligent, sweet, and very rich man, because they are women, therefore they deserve the best because of their gender. Every man beneath that, got no chance and its a poor bastard.
Or having a judicial system giving half of the man's work and income, if not more, to the woman just because someone said so.
Then yes, we are behind times and we are happy about it.
The problem with these discourses about men and women is that they tend to generalize too much. Especially when women talking about men. Not every man is a bastard, not every man is good looking with lots of women after him, living like a playboy at his 30, 40, 50 yo, not every man is strong, good at sports, knows how to hunt or knows mechanic. Not every man have followed his dreams, not every man is happy with the person he is. Not every man have the strengh to change that. Not every man lives thinking "I'm a man, I'm superior to women and I must know certain things and acted a certain way".
Some women don't want to be labeled to a role and one dimension yet they insist on portray men that same unique way. Its pathetic.
They always talk about society and the evil men demanding more from them, when in fact there is nothing more demanding to women than other women.
Women: "we want to live our lives the way we want"
Some woman: "I wanto to be a wife and take care of my family"
Women: "Booh, this poor woman is in pain and deserves to be free from the male tyran"
It always frustrated me that people like Kate Bush were trying to be weird and unique but all the men talk about is how attractive she is.
kate bush is such a legend who deserves better
Weird and unique is attractive
ThisCreepingLife that's not where most of it came from, unfortunately. Men aren't looking at photos of her dressed as a bat and saying it's attractive. They're saying the photos of her nipples showing through her shirt are attractive.
I like both Bjork and Kate Bush
@@Fitzroyfallz well maybe that's because men love titties?
Man I wish more people thought like this. There's so much drama in society based around race and gender, when in reality we just "happen" to be born this way. What we should be defining ourselves and others by is the way we live our lives and the things we do.
They overlap a fair bit! Thats where the stereotypes come from
It's hard though, when even in some pretty developed countries, like the US, you still have a very large segment of the population pushing gender norms that men are the primary breadwinners and women are responsible for homemaking and child-rearing. Putting a big emphasis on woman as people who must prioritize motherhood, caring for their husband, and working house chores as their personality. This I think is what Bjork is referring too, a lot of people have expectations of woman, and if they don't show this conservative femininity of being cute, looking for a husband, but not acting sexually before their marriage, only doing so to have kids and be a mother, and then spending their time caring for their husband and children, then they will be judged harshly for it. And like I said, this is still true of a really large number of people who will have this judgement, and criticize, and call them name, etc., if they don't fall in that mold.
When, you could be all these things, but like Bjork said, that could be number 10, and you are so much more, but a large number of people only care that you are that one thing.
yeah well men are the only ones creating and perpetuating the ''drama''
the drama happening in society doesn't have to do with race and gender but with power: who has it wants to keep it.
@@didibus Ha! A significant part of the population would criticize a woman if she decided to indulge in that sort of conservative lifestyle too... In any case, is that the big deal with sexism? People who criticize other people? How dreadful! The thing is, there's no systemic, institutional or legislative actions designed to favor men over women (an undefinable concept if you accept the gender theory btw); in fact it's the other way around. There's special protection and countless exclusive opportunities and spaces available for women.
Thank you algorithm
Ive always loved her energy
Bjork is a legend. We all know it, but it's worth reaffirming.
Nah, just a narcissistic child who made really, really boring pretentious music. She doesn't hold a candle to any major male musician of her generation.
God, I just love how she rolls her "R"s!
It's crazy how the Icelandic accent sounds Welch sometimes
Probably mostly because of a few consonants they have in common that are unusual in other languages (at least English)
1. [Voiceless alveolar trill]
Icelandic: [hr]afn
Welsh: [rh]ydd
2. [Alveolar lateral fricative]
Icelandic: hei[l]t
Welsh: [ll]a[ll]
3. [Voiceless alveolar nasal]
Icelandic: [hn]ífur
Welsh: (fy) [nh]ad
@@Hwyadylaw Since you seem to be quite informed in this, is there a similar explanation to why I think she sounds like a Spanish talking in English?
@@JaviRP97
I'm not as knowledgeable in Spanish-accented Engish, and the similarities are a bit subtler so I would have to do a bit of research to come to a conclusion, as there are many many aspects to consider.
A good starting point might be comparing the vowels. I'll link three vowel charts for Icelandic, (European) Spanish and (Californian) English.
Icelandic: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Icelandic_vowel_chart.svg
Spanish: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spanish_vowel_chart.svg
English: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:California_English_vowel_chart.svg
The points represent where in the mouth you put your tongue to make the sound.
@@Hwyadylaw Thank you so much! I don't know why I've been notified today when your response is from a week ago.
@@Hwyadylaw Shoutout to you, a drop of knowledge in the sea of comments!
Love it. We are NOT defined by our gender or skin color, but rather WHO we ARE.... never forget this....
Forget what?
@@Pinhead101That we are much more than our superficial characteristics....
Me, with a pale skin like a ghost, and XY chromosome, which makes a man, literally defines my person. Wtf are you on about, its like youre standing infront of a tree and say its a rock. Its delusional as hell.
Actually, we are. And always will be. It's better to accept this and transcend it, than to continue to believe in an ideal that will never materialize.
@@thegrandpencil4374As long as you believe this, you will not only be ignorant, but will be bitter for all time....
“I like women who can be characters” is a hard line for this time period.
Yeah. A woman putting herself out there and falling down was laughed at and soap boxed on "this is why women cannot, should not, prevented, etc...!"
Man doing the same? Cheered, defended, and laughed at. Then everyone moves on expecting he will get up and continue on.
@@MizushimeeeI think you've got that backwards, mate. Woke writers seem entirely unable to write female characters. The best they do is caricature.
I like women who can make me sandwiches.
@@cugeltheclever3766 You'll be out of luck. They like men who use all verbs.
And for most men they are a hard pass
A lot of the men in the comments purposefully misunderstanding what she’s saying lmao
Yea
Thats too often the reaction
She probably could have presented her point in a better way. She Is stating that people should just be themselves and not to be judge for it. But as long as we live in society, there are always going to be expectation for how we should act, from both ganders!
Is there anyone that isn't in love with Bjork?? 😍
Me. Also my friend thinks she's "mousey-looking," whatever that means, but it's not good whatever it is.
Me. I'm asexual. My friends laugh at me but its ok
I bet you want to cuddle her though - right?
Not at all, I find the very notion of physical contact to be repulsive
Gary Baldy u can love someone and be asexual
Björk's comments on gender stereotyping from the 1994 interview still resonate today, highlighting the enduring challenges and expectations placed on women in society. Her words emphasize the restrictive nature of the feminine stereotype, contrasting it with the diverse range of qualities and characteristics allowed for men.
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@@xe666 Why is that funny?
@@ZalemMoon The idea that men are allowed a more diverse range of qualities and characteristics then women in todays society is laughable.
Yes, I never liked the mediocrity of men's qualities, real men gotta man up, must be the breadwinner, must be stoic, must be protective, must be honorable, respectful, accepting, selfless, embrace hardship, be up for any challenge, be ready to confront any danger.
Men are weak.
Its not about being allowed or not allowed lol thats just how the gender roles play out naturally women should be feminine but anyway, whats stopping a women in todays age from having any quality or characteristic they want? enlighten me? absolutely nothing. @@xe666
We seriously need to see people as people and look past other labels can’t believe this world
No we need to take those labels into account to counteract the discrimination they face from discriminatory systems and bigotry.
@@qdpqbp 💀
As a mom of 2 boys and 2 girls I think about this clip all the time
u go girl !!!
You can tell Bjork is being honest here and she is not trying to force other people with her ideologies but to think about themselves as an individual that makes us very unique with our past (possibly reincarnated) and how we are connected in every aspects of our life. In another words, don't waste your time fighting your own sex or other peoples sex since we are human beings at the end of the day.
Sometimes I remember some intelligent thing she has said in interviews.
I hope both your sons and your daughters are successful at whatever they decide to be.
Poor boys, if you think they have no problems....
I love not only how amazing Bjork and her work is but also how comments on her videos are nice and interesting as well. Humanity can be delightful!
It is hard to beileve that, in all these years, nearly nothing has changed. This is still a "hot take" to some in our society.
Nothing has changed because there was no issue in the first place; women back then could be whatever they wanted. Who was prohibiting them from becoming musicians, philosophers, and even "fat," like, really? Were chubby women dating less than chubby guys? (I highly doubt it.) The thing is, the most representative people in the majority of fields are generally men, and that's still the case. Is it due to a societal or institutional advantage, or does this have its roots somewhere else? That's what people will keep (forever) arguing about.
No one prohibits women from being themselves, they just dislike they don't get the same attention as feminine women. Well, surprise, fat, ugly, lazy, poor, nerd and many other types of men don't get attention either, but I don't see them complaining about it and screaming sexism.
"nearly nothing has changed" not surprising to hear that. Feminists could get 100% of their wishes fulfilled and they'd still claim they're being oppressed like in the dark ages. Not the most observant bunch.
"Nothing has changed because there was no issue in the first place; women back then could be whatever they wanted"
You're joking right? Women face so much scrutiny in the work force it's insane. And let's not start at the countries where women still can't get an education. @@AA-lz4wq
It's been 25 years and nothing has changed.
Everythings changed, I found this frankly irrelevant, the internet, and the 'progressiveness' of modern media has made women ( and men)of every description loved for a myriad of reasons. A basic example would be ellen degeneres, shes famous worldwide and loved foremost for her comedy. Where as shes saying thats basically not possible
@@Grugyn As a woman, I personally found this highly relatable. I think there should be a distinction between men and women in the media, and "normal" men and women. For a lot of women and men in the media, the qualities Björk enumerated are acceptable, and even encouraged in a lot of cases. I, on the other hand, a "normal", non-rich, non-famous, non-exceptionally good-looking woman, have been criticised for being "too passionate" about what I love, too "intellectual" (I'm in research, so of course I am), and I've been dismissed as an airhead because I'm hyper sometimes. I constantly have to prove myself or fit a certain image in order to be respected or heard. I try not to be too much of this, or too much of that. Also, I'm French and Russian, and views differ depending on culture. French people generally don't pressure you too much about being masculine or feminine, but Russians are a whole other story. My family doesn't care about my credentials or what I've achieved all that much, they just keep pestering me about not being dainty or feminine enough (one of my grandaunts literally told me once "Happy birthday, I wish for you to be happy and more feminine!" even though I'm not anything close to masculine. Just an example among many others). In their eyes, no matter what I do, I always have to be what they consider as "feminine". Then you've got "real Russian men", who are supposed to be "very masculine" and well-off (a pressure for an overwhelming number of men), but they can still get away with a lot of things: be fat, ugly, intelligent, obsessed, sensual, nerdy, class clowns, brutal, and many other things. Women in Russia can't even remotely be a little "rough around the edges".
What I'm trying to say is that people in the media are exceptions. People in the media aren't representative, and views of femininity or masculinity can be pretty different depending on where you live. So no, in my case at least, barely anything has changed. Sorry for the long reply.
@Mark Donald What did you get bullied for, if that's not a secret of course? Where are you from? Björk is only generalizing, obviously not everything she says here is true for everyone. Narrow-minded perceptions of masculinity and femininity suck for everyone though.
@Mark Donald I mean maybe, some would argue theres no male body positivity because theres no need for it, some guys are overweight thats fine, a lot of which kind of just suit it and would look weird skinny. But for me I see people like rich lux lets say, hes in the beauty field, which is female centric. He doesnt meet 'beauty standards' and yet hes got a large following for just being who he is. Which is why i think everythings changed. 25 years ago he'd probably get abused in the street every time he left the house, now people like him are celebrated. But for the other stuff if people are being mean about you for just being funny etc. then they're probably just envious you can be just that, and yourself, people who have nothing and are insecure want to drag others down to their level. For those handful of bitches theres a whole world out there of people who would love you for you
@@RhythmAddictedState Eesh, sorry to hear that, but from the 'grand' in the aunt, im guessing its just the older generation, things wont have changed in the last 25 years for them because they themselves haven't changed. But as you said maybe a culture thing, I know very little about russia or russians, but my brief encounters are rarely good, insanely toxic in my experience. (This is through video games so every one is toxic, but 'cyka blyat' became a meme its that common). But I guess it can be universal the whole 'so I just got a job at the biggest company in the world' 'yes, but when are you having kids' kind of thing.Which sucks, but again thats the older generation, theres rarely going to be people nowadays who wont be impressed by your passion, credentials and energy. I mean I for one would be, im a passionless, unqualified mope haha
i love her voice so much oh my GoDFFdddddd
Me too
I love how her 'r' sounds like she is purring when she talks, cat-like.
Huh…so men in the comments in an attempt to be “kind” are somehow making Björk’s words about themselves or masculinity. Some men are missing the message entirely and are complimenting her on a superficial level. Just say “damn she’s right” and keep it moving. Listen to and respect women. Don’t let your gaze get in the way of the message. Again, respect women.
Respect men you man hating simp.
Missing the point again. They never said they hate Men, all they said that almost every guy in the comments are missing the point (which is true). And what’s to respect about men in this comment section?
Yeah, as if women respect Channing Tatum, Chris Hemsworth, Brad Pitt and any other hunk for their acting abilities and personalities.
exactly this, like,, are you guys really that incapable of empathizing with women,,
@@beckaroo_buck most women are incapable of empathizing with men. So whats your point ? Besides showing off your hypocritical narcissism ?
So true. Sex and gender shouldn't be the first thing to notice. What should be the priority is merit and intention. Björk, you're the fucking best.
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Such truth, expressed in such clear way. Bjork forever.
This woman shows her intelligence in the way she speaks, damn
"this is bullshit." - Bjork
i fucking love her
This woman created an entire vocal genre
what?
No she didn't. She didn't invent singing. There were actually many singers in existence before her.
@@duffman18do you know what the term genre means?
@@4zafincapparently not
It's like if I told them that Muhammad Ali invented the Rope-a-dope, this person would say "no he didn't invent boxing. There have been many boxers before Muhammad Ali"
What vocal genre did she create? How do you know tribal peoples weren't doing what she did eons ago?
When she said "Hard core" that was so cool.
this woman is some kind of political genius - a superior intellect worthy of more than only musicianship.
This aged like wine
You mean milk.
Most comments are actually nice WTF is going on !!!!
Fegeleiin, some people are nice. The ones that listen to Bjork are one way of determining this.
Because everyone loves Bjork.
Nah its actually like 50% ugly in here lol
Oh wait this comment was 2 years ago...makes sense.
@@adaharrisonn I feel like I've seen you somewhere....
@@curseofvenus I comment a lot on videos.
I see a lot of people in the comments claiming that men have it worse than women, or viceversa, and, while I could reply to one of them, I prefer to do a more general statement, so, here's my not very well informed opinion on the matter:
Your pain doesn't have to be worse than everybody else's in order to be valid, it isn't a competence, there is millions of people on the planet, enough to work on all societal problems at once, there is no need to prioritize, so, there is no need to know who suffers more, if it makes people feel bad, it is important, and it should be addressed.
With this in mind, yes, both genders have and continue to suffer societal norms, with women being robbed of being anything but a sort of decorative piece for men, and men being robbed of any and all emotional tools for dealing with any kind of emotional pain, and both of these problems have to go away.
But, now, I totally understand why men feel the need for stating the pain of manhood in a feminist video, or, I think I do, after all, all the media's attention is centered around the pain of womanhood, isn't it? It makes sense that men feel left out and ignored, nobody goes to the street to march about those kind of things.
But, actually, they do.
The main problem about being a man is that those emotional tools are seen as feminine, women things, so, we as alpha males can't use them, but, there is a group fighting against what a male is supposed to be, and, altough their cause is not about men in general, it is the attention and fighting that a lot of men feel nonexistant.
I'm talking about the male section of the LGBTQ+ community, because, just stop and think about it, while of course a significant part of this group is not feminine, the group as a whole are seen as such, and, a lot of those people show themselves proudly as feminine, as people with actual feelings, and, by doing that, they are indeed changing the "fact" that men can't cry, and that men have to be strong at all moments.
So, by being themselves, and fighting for their rights, the community is also making a point about manhood and getting society to be open to emotions, coming from all genders.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Now, again, this is only mi not very well informed opinion, I'm not a very political person, I may be misunderstanding something, but, thanks for reading, and, sorry for any mistakes, as english is not my native language.
Have a nice life, bye.
I'm a streetwalking cheetah with a heart full of napalm
I'm a runaway son of the nuclear A bomb
I am the world's forgotten boy
The one who searches and destroys
Honey gotta help me please
Somebody gotta save my soul
Baby detonate for me
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I agree
i couldn't agree more, we have different problems but they come from the same source
This is a very limited, juvenile, modern perspective. men's problems are not that they "lack emotional tools" - whatever that means. Men's problems are that we do almost all of the hardest labor in society (infrastructure, industry, labor, construction) - representing the vast majority of workplace fatalities and injuries - and most of them are paid shit for it - Men are 3x as likely to be homeless as women - and many working class men with full time jobs still end up homeless. Worker safety, more democratic workplaces/co-ops, and appropriate pay for the working man are what men need.
Commercial fishermen often work 16 hours a day in brutal conditions, are more than 30x as likely to be killed on the job and are paid pennies for it.
Yes, I replayed her saying "bullshit" a dozen times... it was cute how she said it.
I could listen to Björk all day.
"Intelition" 👀 sounded so fancy
I've never knew anything abt this lady but I love her mind! It's 2023 and it's so actual! Women are told by self-proclaimed gurus to abandon themselves, shrink and be submissive/feminine. Being feminine is good and we should enjoy ours sensuality but it shouldn't be our whole personality and end goal.
I was myself trapped in the "good girl" mindset and it's so traumatizing! Women need to embrace themselves fully, not only what society find attractive
I hate the kind of videos that talk about how to be a feminine woman, they often just tell you to suppress your personality and be submissive, or to put on an act and be and dress as stereotypically feminine as possible even if you yourself are not.
They basically want you to be a shallow, dishonest, incomplete version of yourself, they never directly say this but they act like unless you already are very feminine to begin with, being your real self will make you too masculine and will scare men away. It’s like they think all men are emotionally fragile children who can’t handle a woman who shows even a little bit of individuality and it makes less feminine women feel like there’s something wrong with them and that they have to define themselves purely on whether or not they can attract a man.
Hearing their advice makes me very uncomfortable because it’s like they’re saying I’m not good enough as I am, but I don’t want to put on an act, I’d rather be rejected for who I really am than be accepted for being someone I’m not.
@@gryffindorftw6198 WOW exactly!!! You explained this so well!
I don't have much to add, except that my childhood abuse made me shy, quiet and shadow of my real self. The last years I work on my nervous system, social anxiety and realize my real, vibrant, confident self exists, it's just hidden behind many defense mechanisms.
Those "channels" make me so uncomfortable bc they basically tell me to stay traumatized and shrink myself more than I already do. They don't care about CPTSD, only about views.
If I am supposed to "submit" to a man, I'll happily stay single forever. I've supressed myself enough in my childhood/young adulthood.
Thank you for reading my comment and so well articulated feedback ❤
Adding to my previous comments, I've realized the reason why women are expected to not have a personality, is bc. if you are aware of your individuality, you naturally become selective of who you want to date/marry. You look for people with similar values and tastes. So naturally you gonna reject men who don't meet your criteria.
It's a threat to patriarchy that looks at humans as biological organisms, without any uniqueness.
Woman who doesn't have clear likes and dislikes, is expected to accept any man who looks at her.
But being opposite gender isn't enough to have fullfiling relationship. Ofc patriarchy doesn't care about it, it only cares about procreation and keeping the genetic line, not your wellbeing.
Men and women who embrace their uniqueness create a hell of problems for opressive systems who can't control them anymore.
Agree
What's your body count🎉
SAY IT LOUDER😭❤
Her voice is always music.
Amen
The way she says hardcore is way too adorable.
this comment section just proves her point
you mean how its about half in half people worshiping her and others providing counters?
I’ve loved Bjork and her music since I was 14. I’m now 45. Her music is incredible and her philosophy and authenticity is the core of that magic✨💫💕👏🏽
0:24 Zizek inside her awakens
clarse😂
😄
I’m also INTELLIJARR and I never make a big deal out of it.
I replayed her saying "hahhrrdcohhrrrre" like 6 times
basically she said "I want awesome characters in movies and shows, that happen to be female, without that being the entire point behind their character"
and we all can agree with that more than ever..these recent years been tough for female characters...
consoom digital media
How is she so articulate in second language? Intelligent person.
Her accent reminds of Slavoj Zizek. It needs more "and so on" more sniff and "ideology" and "utopia".
😂😂😂😂
Don't read the new comments unless you want to see "wimmin complain too much, wimmin need to act like wimmins!"
I could’ve used this comment like 20 ago
This is the way forward. Make gender matter LESS. not MORE. This is an insight we have stupidly cast aside as our gender politics just focus more and more on the difference between genders.
Her voice is so soothing and pretty!!!
Goddamnit. She's done it again. UGH!!! #nailedit
#shedidit23yearsago
It takes strength and courage to be who you are. There aren't many people in general that are doing this. That is why both men and women can have seemingly good arguments like this, while not really seeing the bigger picture. These are human struggles, not gender struggles.
Never heard of her but my heart jumped at this video.
She's got some really good songs. Hope in the 3 years since this comment you've checked out some of her music.
wise as fuck, björk is a treasure
Not really
@@Walter-white891 I mean don't blame her, she was a product of her time
So to all the people who are butthurt by what she said, you're nitpicking and ignoring the main message that people just don't want to be discriminated or pressured to act like someone they're not because of their sex or gender. WE ALL WANT TO SAME THING, STOP SHITTING ON EACH OTHER.
Bjork was positively radiant in the 90s
GODDESS OF MUSIC 🎶
*crappy music
Bayview Finch, you can have your opinions. But nobody is going to acknowledge them, unless you can also get a dedicated page on Wikipedia of all the awards and nominations you have received. Fuck, even I would never be able do that.
*crappy music that earned her 115 fucking awards. What did you accomplish, bayview
Graduated high school with honours, university with honours, speak English and Japanese, licenced pilot, had sex with a lady with large breasts, ... The list goes on and on. Anyway, lots of crappy music gets awards. Most people have no taste. Last time I looked around, the average person wasn't too bright. I'm pretty sure I could find some popular music that you think is crap.
BayviewFinch I don't know what you smoke that causes you to think Björk makes shitty music, but I want some of it. I mean, I'm usually very critical of music but her album Post easily is one of my favorites. Whatever, though. You can have your opinions, especially if you've actually sat down and tried to listen Björk to see what you thought. So what music do you like?
björk is fucking based holy
0:09 you're welcome
This is powerful stuff. Feminism shouldn't just be about being a woman, that's too reductive. Feminism should be about being whatever the fuck you want to be, as a woman.
My heart drops when she speaks godamn.
Never heard the word "hardcore" roll off the tongue quite like that.
wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ahead of her time, i think she came from the fucking future, honestly.
Byork broke the mold with her autism
She sounds exactly how she sings. She got the facts down.
I love Bjork so much. How can a person be such a great role model and artist at the same time.
“Harrrt korrrr”
Sweet, caring, intelligent, incisive, nurturing, cherished, lovable, delightful, daughter, lover, mother...
Is this gender studies?
No, this is Patrick. Actually kind of, yes. Sadly.
Yep, she pretty much sums up the gender stereotypes and how that smothers the creativity in each individual. Women suffer from that the most. But men are not safe from it either. Especially if they show anything remotely connected with emotion or femininity, immediately the mainstream calls them weak and all kinds of crap - which is what women are "suppose to be", which then is used against them (women) when they want to break out of the mold created by mainstream society.
@ayeb0ss By other men. Since school I've noticed how men are always peer pressuring each other into masculinity when in groups. Show any trace of personality and you're immediately "gay".
It's stupid to state that women suffer from this the most. Men in Western countries are shamed on daily basic, even if they are not the problem for the current situation.
the problem is that her music is to good for the radio to play and the radio has to play the most obnoxious songs from the 80s
Bjork cannot stop winning
Women are expected to be feminine to the exact same degree that men are expected to be masculine. The grass isn't greener on the other side.
Except stereotypically masculine traits are praised, and feminine traits are frowned upon. Masculinity is good, femininity is bad. That's the root cause of homophobia, even if a certain gay man isn't feminine at all, just the implication of a possibility that he might be playing the feminine role in bed is horrific enough. Homophobes have an obsession with gay sex, they need to know what this gay man is doing in bed, in specific detail, before they can judge whether he's worthy of acceptance or not. I pity those who think this way, because clearly they've never experienced pegging, which is a shame.
Meanwhile we have the double standards of women being assertive, ambitious, passionate, and being called a bitch for having those masculine traits. Women can't raise their voices, can't have strong opinions. And of course men can't be feminine too, but a feminine woman has to be meek and weak and that's humiliation enough. A masculine man is respected, a feminine woman is barely tolerated and her place in society is of servitude. You still don't see how men have it better?
@@Mia199603 Masculine traits are praised _in men._ Feminine traits are not. Feminine traits are praised _in women._ Masculine traits are not. At the core of homophobia is the notion that a homosexual man has abandoned his manhood. Even a straight man who is raped by another man gets this stigma, because a man is supposed to be a man - and someone made him his bitch - bluntly put.
In general terms, no matter what the gender roles are, a man is supposed to be manly, and a woman supposed to be womanly. Only a man is ever derided for being feminine - a woman never is. Likewise, "butch" is hardly considered a compliment for a _woman._
You say these things yourself, in your second paragraph, which actually defeats your first paragraph. Yet women have much more leeway for being masculine, than the other way around. This is because a masculine woman is merely _unattractive,_ generally speaking, whereas a feminine man is both _unattractive_ and _pathetic_ - according to _both_ sexes.
And don't give me this crap about "women can't raise their voices". Complete and utter nonsense. Women DO raise their voices. Sure, they may be regarded as bitchy, but so what? Men who act the same way are regarded as assholes. Don't tell me that every man who raised his voice and threw his weight about made you think "what a hunk of a man!" More often than not, you've probably been thinking, "what a dick", or "what a jerk" or something similar. Note that such slurs are usually gendered: women are bitches, men are dicks and assholes. Both sexes can be cunts. In sum, there are no more insults specific for women than there are for men.
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@@Mia199603 And no, men don't have it better. Men just have it different. There is no 3rd party giving privileges anyways, so that you can even think about injustice. Men go to wars, men are expected to defend the women. Men have insane expectations of them and societal pressures you cannot even fathom. I know your petty brain loves unauthentic online npc statistics. What about men unlifing themselves more than women? How can you argue that their life is easier? It's not just numbers on the paper, there's a reason for it. Also your brainwashing ideology tells you that a man and a woman are just social constructs. So the whole topic is irrelevant then? Every liberal sjw pulls the woman card very quickly when she needs it, but "supports non-binary gender ideology". We have a word for people like you. NPCs
29 years later, how's that feminism going for you?
_"Women and children can be careless, not men"_
Don Corleone
i like that
i really dislike that we always put ourselves in catogories
i dont care about gender, sexuality, skin colour or whatever, i would like to care about you, not these things
omg the music clip at the end
what song is that
@@455batuhan One Day Bjork
shes talking about females for all the confused crazies out there