wes cecil is GOATed imo - I keep coming back to his lectures so often over this past decade, what an incredible service this channel is, long live curiosity and thx u wes!
Thank you, again, Professor Wes Cecil for your lectures. I am listening to this one again on New Years Eve. I wanted to wish you a Happy New Year 2024.
What a treasure you are in my life. Wow! I listen to your lectures over and over. You are “just the best.” Philosophy wise, an unsound statement but yet somehow also so true! Go figure.
This was absolutely not a topic I thought Wes would bring up. Of course he is able to handle it with the deftness and depth of insight that he brings to every topic. Yet another slam dunk!
You’ve spoken elsewhere about the myth of race, and a dimension I thought you would include here is the use of ethno-religious tropes, and not only by demagogues, in populist politics. Milei targeted Black Argentines, denying their membership in the national identity. In Donald Trump’s third campaign he is talking about “poisoning the blood.” I also think of Erdoğan’s project in Turkey and Islamic identity, the dispute over Ukrainian identity as presented by leaders in Russia and Ukraine, etc. These appeals are effective and seem highly relevant to this discussion. It’s not just economic and political discontent.
Thanks yet again Wes. Mark Blythe gave a stellar lecture in this similiar vein several years ago. The subject/title of the lecture, "Why do people vote against their own best interest?", was predetermined by the institution he was visiting. Starting the lecture, he states the idea is completely bullshit, then factually demonstrates how US conomic and political populism has worked within the context of the last 100 years to present day. Happy New Year to you!
Thank you for a this - living in the UK I can confirm that Brexit was totally bone-headed and as far as I know the first time that a Country has voluntarily signed an agreement to put sanctions on itself.
I feel that people fall for demagogs because our modern age problems seem too big for us to manage so they fall for these strong men that projec themselves as something different, as if we could just evade our problems with strong direction. no one wants to accept reality and do what we have to do, accept our part in all that is going on. I am Argentinin. the people carring our flags, defending our freedoms, are useless and run on hate and always project us as victims of the world, most people lost everything these past years, you cannot do anything, you work and work and work and study and lose everything all the time. so people want everything to burn and start again. I am looking, from abroad, in horror.
Why? Debt burdens. That's why. Look up ratios of a) home prices to median wages and b) car prices to median wages. Also read a summary of medical debts. Now you all know why.
Publicly stigmatize and brand these voters! This is a winning strategy! The times of reeducation are over! Btw.: Vlad Vexler is my go to place when discussing decline of the democracies.
I personally think democracy is too fundamentally flawed to be saved. We have to be able to come up with a better alternative. Even if all of the population was extremely intelligent and educated , there still remains the problem of too much information. Suppose I am a clerk or engineer, to be politically informed as well as educated enough to vote for my interest I would have to invest a proffesional amount of time. Not all of us can do that and even people in relevant proffesions can't do that. If I am an economist then I know little about sociology or strategy etc... It seems to me that after 2 millenia we must carefully consider new alternatives.
This is the point of representative democracy as opposed to direct democracy. Since the Enlightenment revolutions, it's been regarded as impractical both in logistics and technical knowledge for most people to have collective final say on individual state policies. Representatives are supposed to represent their voters, but they are also supposed to make sure the nation can function simultaneously. In Athenian democracy only Patricians could vote, and they were just 10% of the population. For them, political involvement was a legal requirement that was almost a full-time affair. This way, they wouldn't be incompetent and they would each have an actively invested interest. The reason they could pull this off was because of slavery and the subordination of each Patricians family. So the Patricians were able to spend a great deal of time focused on state craft and representing the interests of themselves and their families.
@@robertdicke7249 And even the Athenian democracy's merit is debatable. Today representative democracy doesn't pick out competent representatives with vested interest but rather populists to various degree whose job is to get elected again. I still think we should start to converge on a better solution even though I can't say what it would be like exactly.
wes cecil is GOATed imo - I keep coming back to his lectures so often over this past decade, what an incredible service this channel is, long live curiosity and thx u wes!
also long live critical thinking
Glad you're covering the trivium, I've been devouring everything trivium on UA-cam lately. Stoked!
Thank you, again, Professor Wes Cecil for your lectures.
I am listening to this one again on New Years Eve.
I wanted to wish you a Happy New Year 2024.
What a treasure you are in my life. Wow! I listen to your lectures over and over. You are “just the best.” Philosophy wise, an unsound statement but yet somehow also so true! Go figure.
Very insightful video, thank you so much!
Always glad to see new videos from you pop up in the feed.
A fantastic analysis. Thank you.
This was absolutely not a topic I thought Wes would bring up. Of course he is able to handle it with the deftness and depth of insight that he brings to every topic. Yet another slam dunk!
Thank you, Wes.
Wes is awesome
You’ve spoken elsewhere about the myth of race, and a dimension I thought you would include here is the use of ethno-religious tropes, and not only by demagogues, in populist politics. Milei targeted Black Argentines, denying their membership in the national identity. In Donald Trump’s third campaign he is talking about “poisoning the blood.” I also think of Erdoğan’s project in Turkey and Islamic identity, the dispute over Ukrainian identity as presented by leaders in Russia and Ukraine, etc. These appeals are effective and seem highly relevant to this discussion. It’s not just economic and political discontent.
‘Myth.’
@@Interlocutor67 Correct, myth.
@@donthasselthehoff5753, Race and ethnicity aren’t ’myths.’
Thanks yet again Wes.
Mark Blythe gave a stellar lecture in this similiar vein several years ago. The subject/title of the lecture, "Why do people vote against their own best interest?", was predetermined by the institution he was visiting. Starting the lecture, he states the idea is completely bullshit, then factually demonstrates how US conomic and political populism has worked within the context of the last 100 years to present day.
Happy New Year to you!
This video should be mandatory viewing before voting in 2024
Thanks Wes
Thank you for a this - living in the UK I can confirm that Brexit was totally bone-headed and as far as I know the first time that a Country has voluntarily signed an agreement to put sanctions on itself.
Good analysis from inside the cave, is still from inside the cave.
I feel that people fall for demagogs because our modern age problems seem too big for us to manage so they fall for these strong men that projec themselves as something different, as if we could just evade our problems with strong direction. no one wants to accept reality and do what we have to do, accept our part in all that is going on. I am Argentinin. the people carring our flags, defending our freedoms, are useless and run on hate and always project us as victims of the world, most people lost everything these past years, you cannot do anything, you work and work and work and study and lose everything all the time. so people want everything to burn and start again. I am looking, from abroad, in horror.
Reminds me of the piece 'Understanding the Reactionary outlook' on Merrion West
You explained well. Can't really get to the bottom without drawing upon the traditions of democratic socialism. Otherwise it's apolitical floundering.
I'm on it.
Comment for algorithm.
were in the civilizational cycle, its a natural process.
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Why? Debt burdens. That's why. Look up ratios of a) home prices to median wages and b) car prices to median wages. Also read a summary of medical debts. Now you all know why.
2020 cv 19 was mutualised debt of 2008 GFC put into the global public purse. Very clever debt survival of structural economic engineering
Publicly stigmatize and brand these voters! This is a winning strategy! The times of reeducation are over! Btw.: Vlad Vexler is my go to place when discussing decline of the democracies.
Populism comes when elitism has failed
Which then cycles and repeats… Welcome to the conversation.
president camacho disproves of this message
I personally think democracy is too fundamentally flawed to be saved. We have to be able to come up with a better alternative. Even if all of the population was extremely intelligent and educated , there still remains the problem of too much information. Suppose I am a clerk or engineer, to be politically informed as well as educated enough to vote for my interest I would have to invest a proffesional amount of time. Not all of us can do that and even people in relevant proffesions can't do that. If I am an economist then I know little about sociology or strategy etc...
It seems to me that after 2 millenia we must carefully consider new alternatives.
This is the point of representative democracy as opposed to direct democracy. Since the Enlightenment revolutions, it's been regarded as impractical both in logistics and technical knowledge for most people to have collective final say on individual state policies. Representatives are supposed to represent their voters, but they are also supposed to make sure the nation can function simultaneously.
In Athenian democracy only Patricians could vote, and they were just 10% of the population. For them, political involvement was a legal requirement that was almost a full-time affair. This way, they wouldn't be incompetent and they would each have an actively invested interest. The reason they could pull this off was because of slavery and the subordination of each Patricians family. So the Patricians were able to spend a great deal of time focused on state craft and representing the interests of themselves and their families.
@@robertdicke7249 And even the Athenian democracy's merit is debatable. Today representative democracy doesn't pick out competent representatives with vested interest but rather populists to various degree whose job is to get elected again. I still think we should start to converge on a better solution even though I can't say what it would be like exactly.
Bathroom quality
Thanks Wes your lectures are much appreciated i have listened to everyone 🫱🏾🫲🏼