Why does James talk about the internet like he 's a boomer from the 50s? The man was born in the 80s and was a teenager when the internet was first introduced. I mean his lack of even the most mundane and basic computer and internet related tasks is just so freaking bizarre.
"I took a sip from a Pepsi for the first time the other day. It was pretty good. I can see why people enjoy it" (paraphrased) It's kinda spooky in a way, honestly. Like he doesn't actually leave his house or even spend any amount of time on the Internet. Neither touching grass nor being online. Just kinda existing in this world without actually doing so. Maybe his mind is shielding him from the vast majority of impulses to try something or experience something new, as a defense mechanism from when he was a kid and later the stuff from college.
Maybe you're right, he does come off as completely clueless. I went to school with autists, most of them lived in their own worlds, but they were usually highly gifted programmers. James is also autistic but seemingly lacks their extreme focus.
Over a decade ago they used to be tolerable and even somewhat enjoyable to watch, ever since they shilled for the Diablo "do you guys not have phones?" guy they've been incredibly insufferable
I stopped watching when Pat went after Jared because they had a business falling out in the past and he tried to link it to some much much much more serious accusations. Forget what you think of Jared, he just wanted to kick a guy when he was down with something totally unrelated because he doesn't like him. It was incredibly transparent and gross. I couldn't justify watching them anymore after that.
Among the UA-camrs I follow who are quitting, or at least dramatically changing how they use the platform, it seems like the common thread is that UA-cam isn't getting them any closer to where they thought UA-cam would get them. If you want to make indie films, for instance, UA-cam subscribers aren't the built-in audience you think they are.
I had an irl friend that was an early UA-camr, talking about 1 mil views = $3k. Then it turned into $1k. Then it further dropped, so he got hired as a brand manager for a lobbyist group.
If James was passionate about film making, he would've been talking naturally just like Scott and EJ were... or at least interested on the subject. Nothing... I felt bad for Scott, the guy had nothing to work with...
Hey guys! I love your content, always have, but I do want to be transparent with you all, because you took the time to include me in your video (which is awesome by the way!) My entire UA-cam career, was created during the worst part of my life. My daughter Aria was born, and a few days later, one of my mentors in the military, took his life. Death isn't necessarily something that is abstract in the armed forces, but this one shook me, far more than it should. It pushed me so far into a depression, that I lost touch with who I was as a person. So I decided to return to what made me happy growing up, and it was gaming. My wife actually inspired me to make videos, she knew that I was passionate about it, and I wasn't great at it in the beginning, and I'm still learning, but the whole process of making videos was interesting, and it paved the way for me exploring games from the 70s to now on Twitch, and I love it. For years, my only viewers were a few people on Twitch that supported me because, screw it why not, and my pops, who had cancer. Growing up, my dad was my biggest critic, and as an adult, he was my biggest fan. I used to be on camera all the time, in fact 80% of my videos have me on camera to some capacity, and that video with me holding the NES, I'm on camera for most of it, but when my dad died, I lost a fire to create something. So I decided one day to make a video that was derived from my rating system I used on games, and I generated 10 games to play, and 10 games to avoid, and next thing you know, I'm a UA-cam Partner. I decided to keep making them, because, they're fun, and I'm having fun, and in a world that is generally UNFUN, it's nice to just sit back and I don't know, make videos about something you're passionate about. If you ever want to interview me or shoot the breeze, I'm a stay at home dad where I'm 100% disabled thanks to Uncle Sam, and I'd love to discuss UA-cam Algorithms or really anything if given the chance. I certainly didn't expect to see myself in a video from y'all! I hope the new year treats you both well, and I'll be around if y'all ever want to chat! -Forte
Hey Forte! Oh wow, thanks for sharing that. I love knowing that art/UA-cam can be an outlet. That must've been a trip to just suddenly be a topic - the algorithm is definitely promoting you a lot, it's great. I've watched maybe 6 or 7 of your videos, it's a good vibe and I've gotten some good game recommendations from them. Jason, who's been on this show, really enjoys your content. Besides game reviews, what are you hoping to grow the channel into? And yes, let's please keep in touch - are you on Twitter/X?
I think the main impetus behind Pat's Charity Pastry Fraud video was that the Open Hands scandal has screwed over every other videogame charity event for the next few years. And Pat's worked with multiple. Nobody's gonna want to donate to these causes, even if they're absolutely legit ☹️
Yeah, the crying felt super forced to me. I never liked the channel, so there's that, but there was a distinct inauthenticity to that specific cry that made me purse my lips.
I’m walking around cleaning up my house listening as you guys started talking how people love to “hang out with others” hear them bullshitting while doing other things…. Haha. Great video guys, I do love listening to my fellow elder millennials talking about stuff I also like :)
His classic AVGN videos were very well done and he spent time recreating genuine reactions and memorizing lines to give authentic delivery. Now it's all written by Screenwave and he reads a teleprompter. You don't need charisma to make good content. The issue is he stopped doing what made it good in the first place and now a lot of us orbit just to see what happens to our decaying hero.
13:59 - This is so true. People want you to do one thing with one channel. They like having things on in the background. Of the several channels that I befriended over the past few years, the biggest success has been "I Finished a Video Game" with these 3-8 hour massive retrospectives essentially reading the snippets of multiple wikis for people to listen to in the background. I bet with this channel, specifically, the videos that churn out the most returning viewers are the ones covering AVGN stuff -- and this style of content here being similar is likely to attract more of that audience, whereas the MacNCheese videos the long-time fans will be into, but your newer audience probably won't care much about. For me, this UA-cam meta kind of sucks? I went the route of highly produced series that takes a ton of effort. But I'm looking to start a secondary channel where I can produce more low-effort content just talking freely like this. I still love high-production-value content, and I think it's a much more solid "evergreen" play for the long-term. But it's undeniable that this style of "bullshitting" content is easier to click as you state, and it helps grow a dedicated audience more rapidly that will tune in just to hear more "takes". Tracking my own habits, its 100% true. I don't have to pay attention so much. I can queue it up at work while I'm doing other things.
I don't mind Pat or Ian when their bits are paced well. The "Tales from the Game Store," ranch dressing story was funny enough and they eventually let that segment go. When Pat beats a dead horse week after week, droning on about TT or WATA, it's a bit much. Viewers know, it's a scam, and he's not saving some old grandma from investing in a junk product. He's making content and puffing up his ego because he was right and the Amico supporters or sealed collectors were wrong. Which I agree that those dummies who blindly supported TT after we had crowdfunding scams like Ouya and weird issues with the Chameleon are deserving of some ridicule, but Pat has an extremely long and vivid memory for grudges. Ego combined with pettiness and relentless "I told you so," made me give up watching anything Pat makes.
@@Weyland-Pergium You basically just summed up my opinion about Pat and Ian. I was subbed to Pat's channel for a bit, but after a while it just felt like Pat was really vindictive and petty. It's like he never learned the difference between punching up and piling on. I think that Ian is just stuck in the same mentality that he had in high school. He comes across as someone who got bullied a lot, and perhaps gained a really negative outlook on life and people in general as a result. I know this is just speculation, but from what I've watched Ian never really comes across as being a very happy person. Which, I think just adds to Pat's negativity. They always seem to be having the most fun when they're trashing someone or something. Were it just a "bit" I could get on board, but when it's who you really are I'd just assume spend my time watching something else.
Scott was asking those questions like a PR stunt, damage control... they were so specific to intentionally show James' alleged prowess in the technicalities at film making but... *nothing,* just dead air in James' head. I felt bad for Scott, he was trying to help James' image after the plagiarism/BTS stuff and to steer away from the cliché type of interview and maybe he thought his biggest influence was at the same frequency as him and no, James is gone... Worse: James' cuIt members kept criticizing Scott for "talking more than James" not realizing that if Scott didn't talk, the interview would've lasted five minutes with three of them in absolute silence... bunch of ignorants.
That fake Led Zeppelin poster behind James really bothers me 😂 They didn’t play a single show in 1974. I feel like old James would know that, he’s talked about their live recordings/bootlegs in the past.
Psssst! Don't tell the truth! Otherwise James will send Kieran with his club to you! Oh wait... Kieran's gone... I guess he'll send Justin and Big Ryan!
those band concert posters... the yellow "fake but look real" ones are so freakin lame. they sell those in the mall by me lol. also his 3 guitars in the back.... youd almost think this guys a professional.
I think one of the main reasons that the NES Punk videos are bad is that Pat ONLY speaks in that weird PSA voice. He's not my favorite content creator, but his non-punk content is fine.
It's puzzling because he obviously acts that way on purpose in his scripted videos. Someone must have told him it was funny so he ran with it. He's much more energetic and charismatic on the podcast and when unscripted. The Punk videos could be great if he acted more naturally.
I love throwing on the low effort videos of you guys talking when I'm at the office or lifting weights. I don't "think" of you guys as friends. I'm not insane. However, I do "feel" as if we're friends. By which I mean, listening to you guys in the background recreates many of the same sensations as just shooting the breeze with a couple pals - which makes demanding environments like the office or the gym less exhausting. It's basically friendship porn.
Mat Pat's a meme. "Did you know Tanukis aren't Racoon but rather Dooooooooooooooogggggs?" He made a weird shill video for Overwatch back in the day and Even Overwatch players were telling him he got most every point wrong. It was like Overwatch Vs TF2. It pissed both the TF2 and Overwatch communities off because so much of it was factual inaccurate.
i think these UA-camrs are being so melodramatic when it comes to quitting. it's like dude you're not going to be putting content on a website anymore, you're not dying lol
My favorite thing about Pat the NES Punk is that God has slowly turned him into gorgeous George, the guy that 4chan used to prank call that had a public access show 😂😂😂
I think it's a good sign that a large number of viewers aren't subscribed because you got more impressions. As someone who watches a lot of UA-cam it's very easy for UA-cam to recommend you a channel you aren't subscribed to and if they upload frequently you can forget that you aren't actually subscriber
I think the most complicated part of UA-cam retirement is that it is, in the most traditional sense, impossible. First, its not just UA-cam: it's brand deals, it's Patreon, it's secondary podcast channels, it's a consistent social media presence. To stop UA-cam entirely is to dismantle an entire infrastructure or, at the very least, give it away to others, and that both effects any future revenue gathered through any sort of compensatory deal as part of the transition and your lasting legacy in the face of new talent. What we are seeing is the first concentrated wave of people opting out, but as time continues and the whole ecosystem inevitably shifts, I'm curious what "retirement" looks like. There are no unions in the traditional sense (MCNs were the closest, but, c'mon) and there is no guaranteed pension for years of dedicated service. UA-cam as a company, even if you are the number one channel for years at a time, will never reward you with compensation if you decide to quit; they will never chip in to a 401k, they won't provide you with insurance, and your future earnings will be the returns on middling ad revenue for videos no longer suited for the current form of the shifting algorithm. You must provide all those resources yourself, which can be exhausting. People want to get in on video creation for many reasons (not least of which an honest, creative drive), but for the larger corporations, you might as well decide to spend your life as an independent contractor driving an Uber and delivering pizza. If younger generations are cynical about retiring now, wait until they make a modest living making content before quitting and having to find another job elsewhere because the career only lasted as long as they could sweat it out. They will be angry and they should be, because they were told by larger culture to invest themselves into something that will never actually respect them. And while they probably know that conceptually, that truth hits harder when middle age inevitably creeps up and the resources that a steady career should provide isn't as readily available to them. That's how you become Bimmy.
I got an AI scam for Fortnite V-Bucks as an Ad just now. I don't mind ads, but I feel UA-cam should make sure the ads are legitimate and not AI Ninja telling kids to go a totally not scam site for free stuff.
'we're just here to keep you company while you work, folks' suddenly looks up from working wondering if the 2 week old youtube video was made specifically in this moment....
Tom Scott isn't quitting UA-cam, just retiring from the weekly schedule and taking a sabbatical. He's already itching for new projects according to his newsletter.
MatPat has never come off as genuine. I scoff at anyone that cries about retiring on a mountain of cash. Linus Sebastian pulled this a few years ago, too. Though, I think his tears were real, I still don't get it. James retire? I honestly don't think he has the income to retire. Those Screenwave slobs aren't just sucking the life out of his channel, they're probably sucking in most of the revenue.
People who work on AI are trying to solve the "hallucination" problem. I've run into it when searching for movies I can't remember the title to (usually movies I only sort of remember from childhood). I'll put in the details I recall, and it will give me a title, release year, logline, cast list, etc. the actors, director, etc. will be real, but the rest of the information will be completely fake.
Love your guys content. I am a pretty big youtuber, down here in Chile tho, the third world. If you ever wanna talk about how Bimmy is perceived down here and other things, I’m more than down for it. I could even mail you some chilean boxed mac. Haha
I think a successful UA-camr career is like a good run as a professional athlete - after 10 or so successful years you should be set for life and able to happily retire unless you're an idiot and blew all your money on dumb decisions.
@@Shiresgammai I've wondered about that too, it's hard to know for sure because early UA-cam for many years basically didn't make much for you unless you had merch to tie in and sell separately (ad revenue of any kind didn't exist until December 2007 at the very earliest), then there was a period where ads alone were super profitable, then the first ad-pocalypse and the readjustment from that especially with whatever profanity rules incur limited monetization. Nowadays it's mostly about the promotion sponsors for a video but that really wasn't a thing until several years ago. He's also probably split some money with Mike as he was apparently solely running the UA-cam channel and monetization in the early days and then I think it's been rumored the current slob arrangement with screenwave is to take 30% and there's at least 1-3 employees dedicated to Cinemassacre. He also clearly hasn't taken every opportunity to make money like a lot of big UA-camrs who have very huge side businesses with merch and make millions a year just from that. Maybe I'm totally off base but I would guess James himself has probably made $5-10 million lifetime on HIS share of earnings from the whole of Cinemassacre. Money isn't everything and he clearly isn't very business oriented but if it's less than $3 million he should be embarrassed frankly, he's had every opportunity to succeed as an early successful UA-camr who retained a lot of steam in the era when UA-cam got really popular. P.s. jeez how did you manage to accidentally post the same comment 20 times hahaha congrats on cleaning that up
5-10 million? Good Lord. The man should be rich (if he was able to save up). His lifestyle however doesn't look like he's actually wealthy. No prob, lol. UA-cam had a malfunction and duplicated my commentary. Sorry for this! Didn't mean to spam your comment section!@@Kman21192
His reported net worth is less than a million dollars and I'm pretty sure he or someone related to the channel has admitted that he's a long way from being set for life.
It's really interesting watching completionists strategy with this whole thing. He's trying to play this off and resume uploads like nothing is wrong. Which has been hilarious to watch at how bad it's going. He really should have taken a longer break or done something different. Idk how you fix this but His whole comment section is nothing but people roasting him. The like to dislike ratio is crazy as well. Really interested to see if he's gonna beat this one .
Pat the punks video about jirard, was just based on his written response..... pat used to take donating to charity very seriously for many years, so he felt very raw about it..... I thought Pat's video was tacky, but that's just an explanation.
In regards to Pat, I feel the best thing, by far, he ever did in character was the NWC episode with James which makes me think that Pat probably would have had a better run if he were a sidekick or a recurring character instead of a lead because he is completely unfunny by himself. Plus in the past few years he looks less "punk" and more like a sad older millennial who never got married and is desperately clinging on to his 80s youth.
The Scott - James interview was impossible to get through for me, due to James being mono in the left speaker. It's so distracting, and you'd think it'd be an easy catch when it's getting edited.
I liked Scott's interview except for the part where the entire time it was a backhanded compliment a kind of felt like like it sounded like he wanted to have stuff to relate to James whisper also kind of sounds like he's bothering him about his production style
I've pretty much determined that UA-cam sucks now. It's nothing but cringe men who aren't funny, and clickbaity titles and thumbnails. I'm just over it. Present company excluded of course. Lol
I really enjoyed Pat the NES Punk episodes, but I know how bad they are. It adds to their charm. Then the podcast really demystified things for me. I really like the Pat NES Punk episodes, but not the podcast version of him. He's just really unlikable.
Mario RPG still feels for me like some kind of low point, in the video game culture. That people are showing excitement for yet another remake, and one that is of a game that came out on a recent mini console, to boot.
I don’t know, you guys have a lot of points in this video, I like your content so far. You are right, there are SO MANY big UA-camrs quitting and I have never heard of any of them apart from meat cannon/papa meat. Who are these other guys? I think it’s very coincidental that they are leaving right after the massive financial hit many UA-camrs were hit with due to the Invalid Views situation. So many years, so much money & it’s that easy to just walk away? No, something is not right. I think they saw how little money was coming in after the invalid views & instead of dying in front of our eyes, they just said “Buh-by” I strongly think this plays a big factor in some situations. About your last point regarding small channels? You guys have no idea how impossible it is to grow legitimately today. I’ve been doing it for 5 years & been monetized for 2 years now. Bro, I haven’t made 400$ yet. Why? Simple, The algorithm either won’t suggest the videos, or it rip suggest my gaming videos to muckbang or make up viewers this negatively ratioing my content as uninteresting and low survey scores. I have made dozens of friends on UA-cam that are like myself between 500-1500 subscribers, nobody wants to sub to a small channel. I have seen channels that have videos with 20k views 1000s of comments & likes, but they have less than 1000 subscribers. It’s sucks & it’s disheartening. I have a few videos that are in the 1000s and even 15k+ views but nobody subscribes. I have 300k views in the 5yrs I’ve been making content, it’s so hard and weird. I’m glad you guys, a good channel with actual content are striving. Keep it up. 🎉
Also Review Tech USA mentioned you guys on his stream today, which fits the theme of this video since he's officially announced he's retiring from making news content and focusing on bigger projects. Hopefully youtube's clipping system thing actually works right ua-cam.com/users/clipUgkxb-JZo6VAeUqhDrKIgSAHsfKznzSUAcQ7?si=z8b7ubWoftNZq-7O
I am definitely working or playing video games listening to shows like this. I do like watching more engaging content where I have to look at the screen for video editing… but not too much. Usually anime works because I can read and look away.
it's funny how much it takes nowadays for me to hit the subscribe or follow button. I've probably followed 8 or 9 new people on Twitter in the last 3 years. then I think back to 2013ish and how I could follow that many new people in an afternoon. hell if I think back even further to 2009 all it took on facebook was a simple word like "hamburger" for me to hit follow. God only knows how many things i 'liked' on my fb profile. now I could adopt a child from a war stricken country who cooks me the world's most incredible burger and films the whole process on his channel and maybe I'd think about hitting that bell
@@chemicaltrails4468 He hit up a streamer, made friends with her. Then insisted on buying her shoes and kept pressuring for feet pics She leaked the texts and he kept trying to role play with her and flirt. He had a gf at the time. It was all over twitter yesterday
Well, here's another thing, Chugga was definitely sniffing up the wrong tree. Anyone who is connected to certain video essayists will out someone. Hell, Quinten got outed by them and he wasn't even that bad compared to Chuggz. I used to watch the dude, but I drifted away. After years of not watching, I saw his statement online. Pretty wild.
I used to proudly admit to people that the only UA-camr I watch is James Rolfe. Now hes my ultimate shameful pleasure. Present day I proudly admit to watching you guys and the gay green haired emo musician dude.
I used to watch Pat the NES Punk quite regularly, but lost all interest after their Diablo Immortal video. I even came back just last year to see if they'd revised their opinion, and nope, they simply doubled down on it. - I wasn't that I was mad that someone had a different opinion, it's the fact that they were SO off the mark as to WHY everyone was pissed off and couldn't envisage for one second that they might actually have a bad take on it that drew me away.
That Fortefyre guy keeps getting recommended to me too. I can understand why people might not want to stick around because it feels pretty generic and overly covered territory, and his tales are pretty odd in a way that just isn’t very engaging .
@@Fortefyre Haven't seen or been recommended your videos. However, reading your comments here has made me want to check our your channel! I wish you all the best!
James is just a tired guy who worked into success adjacent to his dreams, tried to do something different that he actually dreamt about, failed, and now makes his money doing something he doesn't have any passion for anymore. It's a sad story of how society can flatten us and destroy our ability to actualize dreams we should never have. Leave him alone.
pretty soon we'll be down to only a mere few thousand channels that focus on retro video games
Who will be the brave soul to brand themselves the N-Gage Nerd?
@@joshtoten AVNG Angry Video Nerd Gage
There is an “inner circle” of UA-camrs that protect each other and promote from within. Don’t be told otherwise.
without a doubt.
Why does James talk about the internet like he 's a boomer from the 50s? The man was born in the 80s and was a teenager when the internet was first introduced. I mean his lack of even the most mundane and basic computer and internet related tasks is just so freaking bizarre.
"I took a sip from a Pepsi for the first time the other day. It was pretty good. I can see why people enjoy it" (paraphrased)
It's kinda spooky in a way, honestly. Like he doesn't actually leave his house or even spend any amount of time on the Internet. Neither touching grass nor being online. Just kinda existing in this world without actually doing so.
Maybe his mind is shielding him from the vast majority of impulses to try something or experience something new, as a defense mechanism from when he was a kid and later the stuff from college.
James is definitely a proto-boomer in thought-process and ego
Very sheltered growing up. When that happens you have most of your parents tastes imprinted on you.
10 years ago i would've agreed with you, but nowadays i think its pretty admirable and based that he's so removed from internet BS.
Maybe you're right, he does come off as completely clueless. I went to school with autists, most of them lived in their own worlds, but they were usually highly gifted programmers. James is also autistic but seemingly lacks their extreme focus.
Pat the NES punk and Ian are two of the most conceited people in retro gaming
Two of the grossest as well
Pat and his creature Ian are the most loathsome people. Ian especially is a very strange, very angry man. His tirades are always something to behold.
Over a decade ago they used to be tolerable and even somewhat enjoyable to watch, ever since they shilled for the Diablo "do you guys not have phones?" guy they've been incredibly insufferable
I stopped watching when Pat went after Jared because they had a business falling out in the past and he tried to link it to some much much much more serious accusations. Forget what you think of Jared, he just wanted to kick a guy when he was down with something totally unrelated because he doesn't like him. It was incredibly transparent and gross. I couldn't justify watching them anymore after that.
Their podcast ruined the Pat character for me.
Among the UA-camrs I follow who are quitting, or at least dramatically changing how they use the platform, it seems like the common thread is that UA-cam isn't getting them any closer to where they thought UA-cam would get them.
If you want to make indie films, for instance, UA-cam subscribers aren't the built-in audience you think they are.
I had an irl friend that was an early UA-camr, talking about 1 mil views = $3k. Then it turned into $1k. Then it further dropped, so he got hired as a brand manager for a lobbyist group.
“How do you send files to your editors, James?”
“Via internet”
I can now sleep again at night!
James' 3 go-to replies
Ummmm
Oh yeah yeah yeah
Oh yeah yeah
If James was passionate about film making, he would've been talking naturally just like Scott and EJ were... or at least interested on the subject.
Nothing... I felt bad for Scott, the guy had nothing to work with...
Coffeezilla said "if a youtuber announces he's quitting/retiring from youtube, they are using it for clicks and profit". LOL
I was thinking it's probably a policy change.
I love how you can pull up pretty much any episode of Rental Reviews and see a full list of “how not to make a UA-cam video” examples
Hey guys! I love your content, always have, but I do want to be transparent with you all, because you took the time to include me in your video (which is awesome by the way!)
My entire UA-cam career, was created during the worst part of my life. My daughter Aria was born, and a few days later, one of my mentors in the military, took his life. Death isn't necessarily something that is abstract in the armed forces, but this one shook me, far more than it should. It pushed me so far into a depression, that I lost touch with who I was as a person. So I decided to return to what made me happy growing up, and it was gaming. My wife actually inspired me to make videos, she knew that I was passionate about it, and I wasn't great at it in the beginning, and I'm still learning, but the whole process of making videos was interesting, and it paved the way for me exploring games from the 70s to now on Twitch, and I love it.
For years, my only viewers were a few people on Twitch that supported me because, screw it why not, and my pops, who had cancer. Growing up, my dad was my biggest critic, and as an adult, he was my biggest fan. I used to be on camera all the time, in fact 80% of my videos have me on camera to some capacity, and that video with me holding the NES, I'm on camera for most of it, but when my dad died, I lost a fire to create something. So I decided one day to make a video that was derived from my rating system I used on games, and I generated 10 games to play, and 10 games to avoid, and next thing you know, I'm a UA-cam Partner. I decided to keep making them, because, they're fun, and I'm having fun, and in a world that is generally UNFUN, it's nice to just sit back and I don't know, make videos about something you're passionate about.
If you ever want to interview me or shoot the breeze, I'm a stay at home dad where I'm 100% disabled thanks to Uncle Sam, and I'd love to discuss UA-cam Algorithms or really anything if given the chance. I certainly didn't expect to see myself in a video from y'all! I hope the new year treats you both well, and I'll be around if y'all ever want to chat!
-Forte
Hey Forte! Oh wow, thanks for sharing that. I love knowing that art/UA-cam can be an outlet. That must've been a trip to just suddenly be a topic - the algorithm is definitely promoting you a lot, it's great. I've watched maybe 6 or 7 of your videos, it's a good vibe and I've gotten some good game recommendations from them. Jason, who's been on this show, really enjoys your content. Besides game reviews, what are you hoping to grow the channel into? And yes, let's please keep in touch - are you on Twitter/X?
Wholesome ♥️
The Bimmy coverage is just never ending in blissful entertainment on here lol
I think the main impetus behind Pat's Charity Pastry Fraud video was that the Open Hands scandal has screwed over every other videogame charity event for the next few years. And Pat's worked with multiple. Nobody's gonna want to donate to these causes, even if they're absolutely legit ☹️
Exactly. Pat's video was so good.
Wacka woah. Hey hey.
I love how gamers are incapable of donating to charity on their own
Jirard can re-gain our trust by starting with shaving that filthy beard
I know plenty of people that associate beards with lying and or being a criminal.
But if he does that, dozens of homeless people will need to find new shelter!
"so we're just here to keep you company while you work folks" said Frankie, while I was in the middle of working
@16:30 james ::::: "oh, where would i be? Yeahhhh" LMAO
Yeaaaa
Yeah, the crying felt super forced to me. I never liked the channel, so there's that, but there was a distinct inauthenticity to that specific cry that made me purse my lips.
Matpat is a super fake anyway
@@raycerx87 I am pretty sure he was a theater guy, so... yeah.
@@GamerGarm Worse, a MUSICAL theatre guy.
I’m walking around cleaning up my house listening as you guys started talking how people love to “hang out with others” hear them bullshitting while doing other things…. Haha.
Great video guys, I do love listening to my fellow elder millennials talking about stuff I also like :)
Mattpat was a theater kid I'm pretty sure based on those tears.
Extreme theater kid. Down to how he still talks in the live videos, and projects his voice
The real reason hes leaving revealed soon. A nice cell next to Jared the subway guy
Those crocodile tears, man. Lol wow
@@Mike-qz4byyou made that up
@@Mike-qz4by I am glad I am not the only one who got that vibe from him. Dude seems sketchy as hell.
Bimmy wil never quit
He should but he won't do that
Unless mike isn't helping him anymore
Bimmy should just pass the torch to Cooper Folly already. I want to see some hardcore table action in the new episodes.
“UGH! UGH! UGH!”
Cooper the humping nerd @@Mona-the-Vampire
@@Mona-the-VampireAny mention of Cooper will never not be funny.
Matt Pat could be the star if a show called “UA-camrs I’ve never watched a single second of.”
How is James so uncharismatic and successful at the same time?
Early UA-cam nostalgia
@@bulb9970nah he was kinda grandfathered in
At one point he was kinda shy but likeable. Now he's kinda shy but also super awkward on top.
His classic AVGN videos were very well done and he spent time recreating genuine reactions and memorizing lines to give authentic delivery. Now it's all written by Screenwave and he reads a teleprompter. You don't need charisma to make good content. The issue is he stopped doing what made it good in the first place and now a lot of us orbit just to see what happens to our decaying hero.
There's an ass for every seat
13:59 - This is so true. People want you to do one thing with one channel. They like having things on in the background. Of the several channels that I befriended over the past few years, the biggest success has been "I Finished a Video Game" with these 3-8 hour massive retrospectives essentially reading the snippets of multiple wikis for people to listen to in the background. I bet with this channel, specifically, the videos that churn out the most returning viewers are the ones covering AVGN stuff -- and this style of content here being similar is likely to attract more of that audience, whereas the MacNCheese videos the long-time fans will be into, but your newer audience probably won't care much about.
For me, this UA-cam meta kind of sucks? I went the route of highly produced series that takes a ton of effort. But I'm looking to start a secondary channel where I can produce more low-effort content just talking freely like this. I still love high-production-value content, and I think it's a much more solid "evergreen" play for the long-term. But it's undeniable that this style of "bullshitting" content is easier to click as you state, and it helps grow a dedicated audience more rapidly that will tune in just to hear more "takes". Tracking my own habits, its 100% true. I don't have to pay attention so much. I can queue it up at work while I'm doing other things.
I don't understand how Pat got as big as he did, even with AVGN boosting his notoriety.
Pat was from a time when the scene was much less saturated.
I don't mind Pat or Ian when their bits are paced well. The "Tales from the Game Store," ranch dressing story was funny enough and they eventually let that segment go. When Pat beats a dead horse week after week, droning on about TT or WATA, it's a bit much. Viewers know, it's a scam, and he's not saving some old grandma from investing in a junk product. He's making content and puffing up his ego because he was right and the Amico supporters or sealed collectors were wrong. Which I agree that those dummies who blindly supported TT after we had crowdfunding scams like Ouya and weird issues with the Chameleon are deserving of some ridicule, but Pat has an extremely long and vivid memory for grudges. Ego combined with pettiness and relentless "I told you so," made me give up watching anything Pat makes.
@@Weyland-Pergium You basically just summed up my opinion about Pat and Ian. I was subbed to Pat's channel for a bit, but after a while it just felt like Pat was really vindictive and petty. It's like he never learned the difference between punching up and piling on. I think that Ian is just stuck in the same mentality that he had in high school. He comes across as someone who got bullied a lot, and perhaps gained a really negative outlook on life and people in general as a result. I know this is just speculation, but from what I've watched Ian never really comes across as being a very happy person. Which, I think just adds to Pat's negativity. They always seem to be having the most fun when they're trashing someone or something. Were it just a "bit" I could get on board, but when it's who you really are I'd just assume spend my time watching something else.
Scott was asking those questions like a PR stunt, damage control... they were so specific to intentionally show James' alleged prowess in the technicalities at film making but... *nothing,* just dead air in James' head.
I felt bad for Scott, he was trying to help James' image after the plagiarism/BTS stuff and to steer away from the cliché type of interview and maybe he thought his biggest influence was at the same frequency as him and no, James is gone...
Worse: James' cuIt members kept criticizing Scott for "talking more than James" not realizing that if Scott didn't talk, the interview would've lasted five minutes with three of them in absolute silence... bunch of ignorants.
That fake Led Zeppelin poster behind James really bothers me 😂 They didn’t play a single show in 1974. I feel like old James would know that, he’s talked about their live recordings/bootlegs in the past.
Psssst! Don't tell the truth! Otherwise James will send Kieran with his club to you! Oh wait... Kieran's gone... I guess he'll send Justin and Big Ryan!
There was NO TIME to get a legit poster. Do you want him to suffer?
@@GamerGarm HE HAS KIDS!
those band concert posters... the yellow "fake but look real" ones are so freakin lame. they sell those in the mall by me lol. also his 3 guitars in the back.... youd almost think this guys a professional.
I think one of the main reasons that the NES Punk videos are bad is that Pat ONLY speaks in that weird PSA voice. He's not my favorite content creator, but his non-punk content is fine.
It's puzzling because he obviously acts that way on purpose in his scripted videos. Someone must have told him it was funny so he ran with it. He's much more energetic and charismatic on the podcast and when unscripted. The Punk videos could be great if he acted more naturally.
EJ judging humor and hosts is funny in itself
Tell me about it
I love throwing on the low effort videos of you guys talking when I'm at the office or lifting weights. I don't "think" of you guys as friends. I'm not insane. However, I do "feel" as if we're friends. By which I mean, listening to you guys in the background recreates many of the same sensations as just shooting the breeze with a couple pals - which makes demanding environments like the office or the gym less exhausting. It's basically friendship porn.
Mat Pat's a meme.
"Did you know Tanukis aren't Racoon but rather Dooooooooooooooogggggs?"
He made a weird shill video for Overwatch back in the day and Even Overwatch players were telling him he got most every point wrong. It was like Overwatch Vs TF2. It pissed both the TF2 and Overwatch communities off because so much of it was factual inaccurate.
i think these UA-camrs are being so melodramatic when it comes to quitting. it's like dude you're not going to be putting content on a website anymore, you're not dying lol
My favorite thing about Pat the NES Punk is that God has slowly turned him into gorgeous George, the guy that 4chan used to prank call that had a public access show 😂😂😂
Were you going to cover Billy Mitchell’s score “reinstatement” eventually?
I think it's a good sign that a large number of viewers aren't subscribed because you got more impressions. As someone who watches a lot of UA-cam it's very easy for UA-cam to recommend you a channel you aren't subscribed to and if they upload frequently you can forget that you aren't actually subscriber
Jirad really thinks he can just avoid the criticism and backlash lol
I'm pretty sure he can.
@@Jeremo-FDyeah, his hardcore fans will put up their binders and noise cancelling headphones and praise the "good" Jirad has done all these years
James is a perfect manifestation of the dangers of SSRIs
Lmao what?? I don't remember him once ever saying he was taking SSRIs
I think the most complicated part of UA-cam retirement is that it is, in the most traditional sense, impossible. First, its not just UA-cam: it's brand deals, it's Patreon, it's secondary podcast channels, it's a consistent social media presence. To stop UA-cam entirely is to dismantle an entire infrastructure or, at the very least, give it away to others, and that both effects any future revenue gathered through any sort of compensatory deal as part of the transition and your lasting legacy in the face of new talent.
What we are seeing is the first concentrated wave of people opting out, but as time continues and the whole ecosystem inevitably shifts, I'm curious what "retirement" looks like. There are no unions in the traditional sense (MCNs were the closest, but, c'mon) and there is no guaranteed pension for years of dedicated service. UA-cam as a company, even if you are the number one channel for years at a time, will never reward you with compensation if you decide to quit; they will never chip in to a 401k, they won't provide you with insurance, and your future earnings will be the returns on middling ad revenue for videos no longer suited for the current form of the shifting algorithm. You must provide all those resources yourself, which can be exhausting. People want to get in on video creation for many reasons (not least of which an honest, creative drive), but for the larger corporations, you might as well decide to spend your life as an independent contractor driving an Uber and delivering pizza.
If younger generations are cynical about retiring now, wait until they make a modest living making content before quitting and having to find another job elsewhere because the career only lasted as long as they could sweat it out. They will be angry and they should be, because they were told by larger culture to invest themselves into something that will never actually respect them. And while they probably know that conceptually, that truth hits harder when middle age inevitably creeps up and the resources that a steady career should provide isn't as readily available to them.
That's how you become Bimmy.
Lots of people abandon their Patreons.
Came across a UA-camr recently who quit 7 years ago and still has 9 donors.
I got an AI scam for Fortnite V-Bucks as an Ad just now.
I don't mind ads, but I feel UA-cam should make sure the ads are legitimate and not AI Ninja telling kids to go a totally not scam site for free stuff.
You need to make this a regular segment, maybe like once per month. This was nice!
dunking on jirard, pat AND slot ham?? could this be your best video yet?
I'm not quitting, but I upload so rarely that you'd think I did
Now you guys got the twenty other interviews bimmy has done thru the last year to cover!
Tragedy + Time = Comedy
And a lot! of Italian pastries
'we're just here to keep you company while you work, folks' suddenly looks up from working wondering if the 2 week old youtube video was made specifically in this moment....
Tom Scott isn't quitting UA-cam, just retiring from the weekly schedule and taking a sabbatical. He's already itching for new projects according to his newsletter.
14:36 At least for me I always listen to your videos at work. You guys help make my day a bit more interesting
MatPat has never come off as genuine. I scoff at anyone that cries about retiring on a mountain of cash. Linus Sebastian pulled this a few years ago, too. Though, I think his tears were real, I still don't get it. James retire? I honestly don't think he has the income to retire. Those Screenwave slobs aren't just sucking the life out of his channel, they're probably sucking in most of the revenue.
People who work on AI are trying to solve the "hallucination" problem. I've run into it when searching for movies I can't remember the title to (usually movies I only sort of remember from childhood). I'll put in the details I recall, and it will give me a title, release year, logline, cast list, etc. the actors, director, etc. will be real, but the rest of the information will be completely fake.
Thank you to giving a shoutout to my buddy Fortefyre @19:08
Frankie not knowing who meat canyon is is a travesty. He would love those animations.
I need to name of the channel of the guy bashing on Jirard. His videos sound hilarious.
Here it is:
youtube.com/@5lotham?si=bBC08kGl3J25SXC6
Thank you. I love you forever now.@@RedCowArcade
Love your guys content. I am a pretty big youtuber, down here in Chile tho, the third world.
If you ever wanna talk about how Bimmy is perceived down here and other things, I’m more than down for it.
I could even mail you some chilean boxed mac. Haha
I think a successful UA-camr career is like a good run as a professional athlete - after 10 or so successful years you should be set for life and able to happily retire unless you're an idiot and blew all your money on dumb decisions.
I'm actually curious about this: how much money do you think did James earn from his UA-cam career so far?
"unless you're an idiot and blew all your money on dumb decisions."
So most Athletes then.
@@Shiresgammai I've wondered about that too, it's hard to know for sure because early UA-cam for many years basically didn't make much for you unless you had merch to tie in and sell separately (ad revenue of any kind didn't exist until December 2007 at the very earliest), then there was a period where ads alone were super profitable, then the first ad-pocalypse and the readjustment from that especially with whatever profanity rules incur limited monetization. Nowadays it's mostly about the promotion sponsors for a video but that really wasn't a thing until several years ago. He's also probably split some money with Mike as he was apparently solely running the UA-cam channel and monetization in the early days and then I think it's been rumored the current slob arrangement with screenwave is to take 30% and there's at least 1-3 employees dedicated to Cinemassacre.
He also clearly hasn't taken every opportunity to make money like a lot of big UA-camrs who have very huge side businesses with merch and make millions a year just from that.
Maybe I'm totally off base but I would guess James himself has probably made $5-10 million lifetime on HIS share of earnings from the whole of Cinemassacre. Money isn't everything and he clearly isn't very business oriented but if it's less than $3 million he should be embarrassed frankly, he's had every opportunity to succeed as an early successful UA-camr who retained a lot of steam in the era when UA-cam got really popular.
P.s. jeez how did you manage to accidentally post the same comment 20 times hahaha congrats on cleaning that up
5-10 million? Good Lord. The man should be rich (if he was able to save up). His lifestyle however doesn't look like he's actually wealthy.
No prob, lol. UA-cam had a malfunction and duplicated my commentary. Sorry for this! Didn't mean to spam your comment section!@@Kman21192
His reported net worth is less than a million dollars and I'm pretty sure he or someone related to the channel has admitted that he's a long way from being set for life.
Metal Slug sighting in the background! love it
It's really interesting watching completionists strategy with this whole thing. He's trying to play this off and resume uploads like nothing is wrong.
Which has been hilarious to watch at how bad it's going. He really should have taken a longer break or done something different. Idk how you fix this but His whole comment section is nothing but people roasting him. The like to dislike ratio is crazy as well. Really interested to see if he's gonna beat this one .
UA-cam had seriously gone downhill in the last 10 years.
That's funny because 10 years ago I was saying the same thing.
Pat the punks video about jirard, was just based on his written response..... pat used to take donating to charity very seriously for many years, so he felt very raw about it.....
I thought Pat's video was tacky, but that's just an explanation.
Everything Pat does is tacky, and slimy at the same time.
Ad revenue in January is the worst all year, so it makes sense for people to not even put forth any effort.
That Scott interview was recorded a long time ago too. Like a year ago long ago.
In regards to Pat, I feel the best thing, by far, he ever did in character was the NWC episode with James which makes me think that Pat probably would have had a better run if he were a sidekick or a recurring character instead of a lead because he is completely unfunny by himself. Plus in the past few years he looks less "punk" and more like a sad older millennial who never got married and is desperately clinging on to his 80s youth.
The Scott - James interview was impossible to get through for me, due to James being mono in the left speaker. It's so distracting, and you'd think it'd be an easy catch when it's getting edited.
I liked Scott's interview except for the part where the entire time it was a backhanded compliment a kind of felt like like it sounded like he wanted to have stuff to relate to James whisper also kind of sounds like he's bothering him about his production style
97% of that Tuber's videos are not subscribed? I assume that means people like what he's talking about to get fed into the algo and not him.
It's like that sometimes, but hey, some people stick around!
I've pretty much determined that UA-cam sucks now. It's nothing but cringe men who aren't funny, and clickbaity titles and thumbnails. I'm just over it. Present company excluded of course. Lol
I really enjoyed Pat the NES Punk episodes, but I know how bad they are. It adds to their charm. Then the podcast really demystified things for me. I really like the Pat NES Punk episodes, but not the podcast version of him. He's just really unlikable.
EJ hates lazy lips confirmed.
"the songs in this movie are amazing, there's one about friendship that's really great" - Jay Bauman.
My late grampa used to say there's an ass for every seat. I had forgotten that until you said it. Good memories.
The best ads I ever saw in videos were from EmpLemon. I love his videos.
Have you guys been following the new SideScrollers at all?
MatPat tends to be very sentimental, I'm not sure that he was just hamming it up for the cameras
Maybe so. But then, that’s a very dramatic person 🤣
He was a musical theater kid, he's always hammed it up and comes off as completely fake to me
Mario RPG still feels for me like some kind of low point, in the video game culture. That people are showing excitement for yet another remake, and one that is of a game that came out on a recent mini console, to boot.
And I will say, Scott's question came off weird, to me. Like, "If your life didn't turn out the way it was, how would it have turned out?"
Holy shit! Gitem on the red cow podcast!
This has inspired me to do my retirement video next week
i'm watching this video via "online"
Pat had a few good ones early but they are mostly rough. His adopted grandfather is the only saving grace.
I don't get the outrage over the Raid spot. Do people get this mad when NBC goes to commercial break or when news articles have ads on the page?
More Bimmy Content!!!!!!
Internet Historian does the absolute best ad reads. Emp Lemons are pretty darn funny too.
I don’t know, you guys have a lot of points in this video, I like your content so far. You are right, there are SO MANY big UA-camrs quitting and I have never heard of any of them apart from meat cannon/papa meat. Who are these other guys?
I think it’s very coincidental that they are leaving right after the massive financial hit many UA-camrs were hit with due to the Invalid Views situation. So many years, so much money & it’s that easy to just walk away? No, something is not right. I think they saw how little money was coming in after the invalid views & instead of dying in front of our eyes, they just said “Buh-by”
I strongly think this plays a big factor in some situations.
About your last point regarding small channels? You guys have no idea how impossible it is to grow legitimately today. I’ve been doing it for 5 years & been monetized for 2 years now. Bro, I haven’t made 400$ yet. Why? Simple, The algorithm either won’t suggest the videos, or it rip suggest my gaming videos to muckbang or make up viewers this negatively ratioing my content as uninteresting and low survey scores. I have made dozens of friends on UA-cam that are like myself between 500-1500 subscribers, nobody wants to sub to a small channel. I have seen channels that have videos with 20k views 1000s of comments & likes, but they have less than 1000 subscribers. It’s sucks & it’s disheartening. I have a few videos that are in the 1000s and even 15k+ views but nobody subscribes. I have 300k views in the 5yrs I’ve been making content, it’s so hard and weird.
I’m glad you guys, a good channel with actual content are striving. Keep it up. 🎉
Also Review Tech USA mentioned you guys on his stream today, which fits the theme of this video since he's officially announced he's retiring from making news content and focusing on bigger projects. Hopefully youtube's clipping system thing actually works right ua-cam.com/users/clipUgkxb-JZo6VAeUqhDrKIgSAHsfKznzSUAcQ7?si=z8b7ubWoftNZq-7O
Thanks for letting us know about this!
I am definitely working or playing video games listening to shows like this. I do like watching more engaging content where I have to look at the screen for video editing… but not too much. Usually anime works because I can read and look away.
it's funny how much it takes nowadays for me to hit the subscribe or follow button. I've probably followed 8 or 9 new people on Twitter in the last 3 years. then I think back to 2013ish and how I could follow that many new people in an afternoon. hell if I think back even further to 2009 all it took on facebook was a simple word like "hamburger" for me to hit follow. God only knows how many things i 'liked' on my fb profile. now I could adopt a child from a war stricken country who cooks me the world's most incredible burger and films the whole process on his channel and maybe I'd think about hitting that bell
“Maybe we can cover it all in one hit”
You guys JUST missed Chuggaconroy being a creepy foot fetish guy yesterday lmao
nothing wrong with feet brah
@@chemicaltrails4468 He hit up a streamer, made friends with her. Then insisted on buying her shoes and kept pressuring for feet pics
She leaked the texts and he kept trying to role play with her and flirt. He had a gf at the time. It was all over twitter yesterday
Well, here's another thing, Chugga was definitely sniffing up the wrong tree. Anyone who is connected to certain video essayists will out someone. Hell, Quinten got outed by them and he wasn't even that bad compared to Chuggz.
I used to watch the dude, but I drifted away. After years of not watching, I saw his statement online. Pretty wild.
I said it once. I’ll say it again DSPGaming will outlast Bimmy and Doug Waker on UA-cam.
Pigroach will never die 😂
That's kind of a boss move to just keep making content like that. I've never liked the dude but that alone just moved him up my list a bit. Lol
Hey Frankie are you a who are these podcasts fan? Seems like something youd enjoy. I think youd be great on there as well.
Yeah I’ve listened to them a few times! They should have me on ;)
Is there any update on the gaming historian's hiatus?
Pat had a gold mine in flea market madness but just bailed on it. The CU podcast was enjoyable only due to Ian but that's about it.
I used to proudly admit to people that the only UA-camr I watch is James Rolfe. Now hes my ultimate shameful pleasure. Present day I proudly admit to watching you guys and the gay green haired emo musician dude.
I used to watch Pat the NES Punk quite regularly, but lost all interest after their Diablo Immortal video. I even came back just last year to see if they'd revised their opinion, and nope, they simply doubled down on it. - I wasn't that I was mad that someone had a different opinion, it's the fact that they were SO off the mark as to WHY everyone was pissed off and couldn't envisage for one second that they might actually have a bad take on it that drew me away.
You guys are always plugging BoxMac! Fine I’ll give it a shot on the other channel! 😂
We need to keep EJ pure by keeping him away from Pat's mainline content.
If not for UA-cam Bimmy would still be doing wedding videos.
no surprise bimmy would want to act since he has such a hard time portraying his actual self.
How do yall feel about that one guy who does the retro game reviews I think he’s from Georgia and has like salt and pepper wavy hair
Wasn't MatPat an actor before his show? Wasn't Pat the NES Punk? Hasn't Punk said that he moved out to Cali to be an actor?
Yes mat is a big theater guy
Pat appeared on reality TV Pawn Stars, but I don't recall him being a formal actor.
Oh yeah Scotts lag was crazy. It was messing with me so hard I thought I was getting trolled.
About 30% of gaming channels I sub to now are because of you guys lmao
That Fortefyre guy keeps getting recommended to me too. I can understand why people might not want to stick around because it feels pretty generic and overly covered territory, and his tales are pretty odd in a way that just isn’t very engaging .
I try my best! I'll try to be more engaging in the future :) Thank you for taking the time to comment about this though, it helps me grow.
@@Fortefyre Haven't seen or been recommended your videos. However, reading your comments here has made me want to check our your channel! I wish you all the best!
James is just a tired guy who worked into success adjacent to his dreams, tried to do something different that he actually dreamt about, failed, and now makes his money doing something he doesn't have any passion for anymore. It's a sad story of how society can flatten us and destroy our ability to actualize dreams we should never have. Leave him alone.
What was the "tried to do something different" part that he failed at?
lol shout out to 5lotham!
Talking into a camera while Teary-eyed and emotional is pretty standard MatPat behavior.
Damn theater kids!