Honestly, to me it mostly feels like she was brought up to the end of S1 standards, but everybody else also either got slapped on the wrist to be toned down to the rest of the cast or brought up pretty far beyond what they were. A lot of the Manon changes kind of just come across as what Manon was supposed to be like originally but Capcom was terrified of letting a snowballing grappler have remotely decent tools outside of her grab. Like sure, now Manon has a modicum of combo potential but her damage outside of 3+ medals is still absolutely below average. I would personally *gladly* take a hit to the damage of the command grab to just increase her overall damage.
@@NhemLee I mean yeah, us grappler players see the big AWOOGA damage and it immediately secretes dopamine like drilling for oil in Texas. But personally I'd take high damage, but a bit lower damage on 5 medals for access to damage in more avenues. Like, even Zangief has more access to combos now in Season 2 and he has no medal system to think about as well and then they have the gall to make him have a slightly better drive rush on top of that.
I been using her since Season 2 patch and im having a blast, her preasure is nice she has good normals to keep the oponent at bay, and she forces to make hard decisions, +1 on block and then its time to guess, and when she gets a punish counter she can do some good damage and as you get more medals the tides turns heavily in your favor. I really like her
Not much to discuss. It’s nice that it does more damage but the properties are still the same. Still easy to avoid and combo scaling still hurts its overall use (even at 5 medals).
Stil considered one of her “buffs.” Helps to close out a match in round 3 if to have the medals. And no, it’s not easy to avoid as a combo of ender. How are you using it?
@@christophercornacchio9679 it lacks Gief’s instant activation which pretty much forces you to use it in a scaled combo. If you’re tricky MAYBE you can land it raw but it’s way more difficult than it needs to be. She has no way to intimidate with it because you can just jump.
@@saltysteved3831 It's still an invinsible reversal. The opponent has to explicitly bait it all the time which leaves their pressure full of gaps, that's the intimidation factor.
What about the level 3 super damage buff? She can now do much more damage on average for her level 3 depending on her medal level. (Still slightly less than Zangief's level 3 though)
No, copyright issue. Dictator is also very likely yet you have his tracks, same with other DLC characters. So . . . would make zero sense to pull out her song for "that" reason.
@@DeeTek08 unless they make spin faster and fully projectile invicible even during the follow ups then sure. But i think if they made it kinda like anji's spin and it just goes through everything (not frame 1 invuln) and kept it the same speed it'd have way better utility. The low hurtbox on the od is obnoxious against juris fireball.
Elena's theme is not in the pack because she might come as season 2 DLC. Her theme may come as one of the battlepass rewards for her
Hmmm 🕵️🔍
This dude be noticing.
I heard it was licensing issues with that "beats in my head" sample
Isn't rashids theme available to purchase even though it was in his pass though?
this theme is only good with that looping headache lyric removed
It's theorized Elena's 3rd strike theme isn’t in because of the sample used.
Her second impact theme is better anyway
4:03 yea the music change is actually the best buff for Manon
Honestly, to me it mostly feels like she was brought up to the end of S1 standards, but everybody else also either got slapped on the wrist to be toned down to the rest of the cast or brought up pretty far beyond what they were. A lot of the Manon changes kind of just come across as what Manon was supposed to be like originally but Capcom was terrified of letting a snowballing grappler have remotely decent tools outside of her grab. Like sure, now Manon has a modicum of combo potential but her damage outside of 3+ medals is still absolutely below average. I would personally *gladly* take a hit to the damage of the command grab to just increase her overall damage.
nah man the threat of a nuke grab is too funny. i like it as is
@@NhemLee I mean yeah, us grappler players see the big AWOOGA damage and it immediately secretes dopamine like drilling for oil in Texas. But personally I'd take high damage, but a bit lower damage on 5 medals for access to damage in more avenues. Like, even Zangief has more access to combos now in Season 2 and he has no medal system to think about as well and then they have the gall to make him have a slightly better drive rush on top of that.
I been using her since Season 2 patch and im having a blast, her preasure is nice she has good normals to keep the oponent at bay, and she forces to make hard decisions, +1 on block and then its time to guess, and when she gets a punish counter she can do some good damage and as you get more medals the tides turns heavily in your favor. I really like her
Nice to see the positive response. Other areas she could certainly be buffed, but real combo routes and pressure are now a thing!
The intro goes crazyyyyyyyyyyy 😤😤😤😤🙏🙏🙏🙏🔥🔥🔥🔥
I can see you buying and using the Laura&Poison theme, Idom.
Thought you found the combo increase utility for the 3HK.
Yo Idom, if you just dash after 214mk and do 4hp, you get your meaty.
The pull-ins and combo consistency buffs seem like they'll add up more than you'd think
b+mk>mk is also relevant if you delay it after DI crumple I think
No discussion on her super 3 getting stronger based on the medals she has?
Not much to discuss. It’s nice that it does more damage but the properties are still the same. Still easy to avoid and combo scaling still hurts its overall use (even at 5 medals).
Stil considered one of her “buffs.” Helps to close out a match in round 3 if to have the medals. And no, it’s not easy to avoid as a combo of ender. How are you using it?
@@christophercornacchio9679 it lacks Gief’s instant activation which pretty much forces you to use it in a scaled combo. If you’re tricky MAYBE you can land it raw but it’s way more difficult than it needs to be. She has no way to intimidate with it because you can just jump.
@@saltysteved3831 It's still an invinsible reversal. The opponent has to explicitly bait it all the time which leaves their pressure full of gaps, that's the intimidation factor.
What about the level 3 super damage buff? She can now do much more damage on average for her level 3 depending on her medal level. (Still slightly less than Zangief's level 3 though)
Looks like I’m going back to Manon. 🎉
Manon getting a buff is always a relief.
I really need to get better at reacting to counter hits
You can do antiair/ground bounce 4MK,MK into her qcf+P for free medaille
Elena's theme isn't there because she's a season 2 DLC character (already leaked).
No, copyright issue. Dictator is also very likely yet you have his tracks, same with other DLC characters. So . . . would make zero sense to pull out her song for "that" reason.
My cousin said Sodom and Rufus are going to be Season 2 DLC so those are leaked as well.
Let's go Idom !!!
I feel like her drive rush might be holding her back A bit 😅
what about the chain lights into 214 LK knockdown
name of the intro song?
Idom should try Aki. She is so many buffs that she can be a possible T0 character now
Chill
"T0" lol
Manon is top 5.
Tbh in a vacum these changes are deff not as impactfull as I liked them to be. At worst now she deff low midtier.
she's never going to be S tier. she doesn't play SF6.
@@DeeTek08 unless they make spin faster and fully projectile invicible even during the follow ups then sure. But i think if they made it kinda like anji's spin and it just goes through everything (not frame 1 invuln) and kept it the same speed it'd have way better utility. The low hurtbox on the od is obnoxious against juris fireball.
Manon makes no difference unless you change character like luke,blanka,guile,ryu,Ken,Akuma,Cammy,Kimberly,chun li and manon is consider low tier
60 seconds and no views? You're the one that needs buffs
I laughed way harder than I should have at your comment 😂
That was wild but I'm WEAK! 😂😂😂
Dayum 😂😂
Ok now this is a good roast
holy shit
Slow ahh vid