Jomox Mbase11 : still good after 10 years ? (Free Kick Samples)
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- I finally decided to get my hand on the Mbase11. Jomox is very known for having super punchy kick and making high quality analog drums. I wanted to try and see if they are up to their reputation.
This is machine is 10 years old but you can still grab one nowadays, so is it still sounding good ? Is it worth it to spend that much money just to create kick ?
Let's find out.
⌚ Timeline:
00:00 Intro
02:18 Review & Tutorial
12:31 With Effect Comparison
14:19 Secret Tips I do
15:43 old but gold ?
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Thank you again for more free kicks, great demo!
My pleasure!
Helpful demonstration! I just recently bought one, since I was always curious about having that JoMoX kick in my toolbox, hehe. I mean, editing is pretty straight forward, BUT... as you mentionend, its a tad tedious with these two knobs and I immediately thought about putting a controller map together in TouchOSC for iPad. Another thing that confused me was that when you're not quick enough during the store-routine, the MBase _recalls_ that preset instead of writing what you dialled in into that slot. Really annoying since what you did is basically gone. Maybe I did use it wrong, dunno.
What I like is that the MBase jumps to the specific parameter when you change its value from the external controller.
I just found your channel after looking for Kick Lancet videos around here. I did not eben know that the Kick Lancet existed some minutes ago, hehe. Kinda like the East German version. And they're reasonable priced, so I'll get that too I guess. Being East German, that seems like a mandatory thing, hehe. And why not have both? I am looking to expand my kick drum palette, with these specialists joining my 808 and 909. So mimicking these classics is not what I expect from both the MBase and Kick Lancet.
Thanks for these helpful videos!
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INSAAAANE! 😃 thanks a lot for the effect chain! And video about mbase. Bought it yesterday! It’s so great. Just can get creative now with sounds! I was always imprisoned by searching for kicks somehow…. But now I’m freeeeeee🤯
thank a lot, have fun !
are you still happy with it ?
@@DeepPAUSE Yes! Its for me still a go to for Kicks. But I now also have the Syntakt. But those jomox Kicks are just great. But I reduced the effect chain to minimum. Just using EQ from Farbfilter and the Maag EQ4 and from time to time API 2500 mono Comp to mix down the kicks.
Thanks for the cool samples
My pleasure !
nice man great ideas with the mbase thx
Thanks, glad you liked it !
Definitely my favorite Kick to use in dawless. Great video
thanks ! yeah I think it's my favourite for kick too, shame its not 1 knob per function, it would have been perfect !
@@audioreakt Oh yeah... your little controller and labels is a really hands on way of shaping it. the tap tap tap tap of trying to dial it all in.. is maybe great for a robot who doesnt need to remember what they were hearing. imagine a 303 with buttons to control freq and res. The Cirklon sequencer is the closest thing I can manipulate 5 track values at once.. So I have to pick wisely
Cool Intro/Track
...and Tutorial, of course😎
thanks !
OLD but GOLD . Plenty of great 10 years old gear can be described as it is ! The problem is that most of people are hypnotized by the marketing power and the vibe of over consuming .
In this way the brother , Jomox mbrane is also an insane module !
yeah true, I've been hunting a tanzbar for months...
Jomox has some of the the best kicks in the game for me, especially the 999 and Mbase11.
Can't agree more, that punch is crazy !
love the way you've got the functions/CCs written up on the beatstep! is it washi tape you've used? really interested and would love a link if you know where you picked up - hard to get tape that's the right size, easily removable etc
I probably get it from amazon, look for some " PVC electrical tape 15mm width", don't go cheap as you will get shitty tape that doesn't stick
@@audioreakt amazing, thanks for quick response: hard to get the balance of size, stickiness but also ability to remove!
ahhh that’s so cool how you use the beatstep
thanks mate !
Impressive Tutorial! I own both, the MBase11 and the beatstep, but I did not make a connection via MIDI… I use the Arturia Adapter, which is as I believe a MIDI Type B (I also tried MIDI Type A cables).
Idk I was using usb for the midi
This is the uber-909 in a box :) perfect way to begin with your kick
Yes indeed, it got a nice punch!
Great demo! I've seen also your Vermona Kick Lancet demo, which one you prefer between the Mbase and the Kick Lancet?
For the sound Mbase, for the fun/easy to use Vernona, but vermona sound good too
@@audioreakt I thought the same, the Vermona sounds classy but the Jomox more powerful in general
Check also the jomox have a eurorack version with more knob I think , might be worth it to have a look
@@audioreakt Saw it, I don't have an Eurorack system and I have no interest in starting one. I'm ok with the function selection buttons, it's got to be easier than a DX7 or stuff like that
Best analog kick ever ❤
yeah jomox kick are something haha !
I had an mbase 01 but it had an unstable pitch. there was a fix for it but it didn't resolve on my mbase. but maybe I keep my eyes open on the 2nd hand market because the mbase 11 is fat!.
Thanks for the samples and explanation I'm going to experiment with it. 👊🏻👍🏻
yeah it's really fat ! you're welcome !
Do you save this setting for the beat step I have mbase11 and I love but this makes life a bit easier great work!,,,
yes with arturia you can save you midi configuration with the midi center plugin
Great video! How are you sending MIDI to your MBase? I just bought a MIDI interface but it still won’t accept MIDI from Ableton but I can trigger from my Digitone.
I use a beatstep connected via usb through ableton, and send midi from ableton to the mbase..just realise that I might have been able to control the mbasee in midi out of the beatstep directly...
@@audioreakt hi it would be great if you explained this properly. I'm intrigued. Thanks
There is also a modular version now! I recommend pairing it with a FaderFox because editing on this machine and a single knob is pure torture. With external controller it is the best on the market as far as Kick-Generator in retail go
Yeah I saw but I don't own modular (yet haha) so I went for the box. Yeah without a controller it's really frustating, it break all the experience.
@@audioreakt I am scared to go modular, cause it is a money-pit.. but if i go i will go with EricaSynths stuff. Their "Bassdrum" module is killer, too. // PS: You can make great kicks with virtually any semi-modular synth. Just needs a triangle OSC and 2 envelope generators. One for VCA, as per default, and the other for PITCH to tweak the attack phase.. The Minibrute has a secondary AD envelope, i think. Short decay for the pitch and it should be perfect. :)
Sounds great, better than the lancet I think. Wonder how it compares to the elektron rytm kicks. I bet the analog heat or the oto boum would be a nice companion to these boxes
Yeah I slightly prefer this one too. And to compare with the elektron, tough one, I would say the rytm but you have overdrive and filter so it's unfair.. yeah I might do a comparaison video !
That would be very interesting to hear how they compare.
I am looking for a sequencer for my MBase11, how did you configure the BeatStep potentiometers (in Arturia Control Center) with the MBase sound control options?
yes I used the midi control center of arturia to set the cc manually
Hi!
Great demo!
Can u change presets over midi cc?
I don't know to be honest
Hey man, how can i set up the individual knobs with the individual parameters of the mbase? And can i configurate more than one mashine /synth at the same time with only one beatstep/beatstep pro?
depedn your midi controller but if you are using a beatstep, you have a midi editor and you can match the midi channel and CC on the knob to the corresponding parameter on the Mbase11, you need to check the Midi implementation on the Mbase manual to know how to set it. Same you can control different synth with the same midi controller, just assign different midi chanel (synth 1 = midi channel 1 ; synth2 = midi channel 2), make sure on your synth your set the right midi channel too.
MBase 11 is a great machine, but it needs heavy compression to get the Amplitude Envelope right. I use a combination of SPL Transient Designer and FMR Audio RNC 1773 which make it a super expensive analog kick. If only Jomox could add Sustain parameter to the envelope it would be much better Kick synth. The ability to play in semitones is great and super-fast to tune your kick to the track's root note.
yeah but it's crazy how the machine become a supermonster once you put effect on his ass, it completly transform it !
What about a simple gate effect?
How would you compare the Jomox to the Analog Rytm kicks? Does the functionaility overlap or do you get vastly different kicks out of both machines? Thanks : ))
On the rytm you got many sound engines, plus drive and filter, so maybe you got more choices . But Both machine are great,and sound really really good (and kind of different one from another ). I liked them both and it's very hard to pick up a favourite between this two to be honest...
Rytm sounds like trash. The kicks are noisy, flat, not really tweakable. I sold mine. Jomox kicks are on another level, harmonically. Maybe the Rytm kicks are good for washed out, compressed lo-fi type of stuff.
Love to push the Mbase through my Analog Heat to get some of the deepest kicks possible
that sounds like a good combo indeed !
Thanks for the nice advice. Espacilly the integration of an extern midi controller. My only question is: when I use my controller the midi light at the MBase goes on - but you don't see the cc parameter like at your demonstration. is there a special think that I doesn't see?
I don't know, maybe you are still in another menu
I bought a Jomox Mbase 11 and I was wondering which could be a use case scenario for the Midi OUT connection.
I have connected the Jomox to my Elektron Cycles through MIDI IN so that I can use the step sequencer of the Elektron, but I can't figure out how can I Use the Midi OUT of the Jomox.
I am not sure as I never try but I would say if you have a midi chain, let's say with your cycles you want to control your jomox but also another drum module, you will plug the cycle to jonox in, and jonox out to the other drum module . This way you can sequence the other drum module with the cycles, (using different midi channel for exemple) ... And you can chain like this mutliple machine
Hello thanks for the video. How can i map my beatstep with every single parameter of the Jomox? Thanks
you need to use the arturia midi center and create a new template. check on the jomox manual the midi implementation and copy it to the midi center. Like decay will be cc100, pitch cc101 etc assign that in the midi center and it shgould work
What combination would you recommend for getting some crazy hardcore/gabba drum in hardware?
I don't know to be honest not supper familiar with the genre
This thing is epic but from my experiences with it, if you want a super-consistent kick drum, you need to sample it… when triggered multiple times, there can be some variance between hits
Yeah I always sample it anyway, I often do sessions where I just create kick.
Interesting, it can also be an advantage if you want an analog evolving sound
Just sold mine! Haha, maybe your video helped me shift it. Sounds massive, but I couldn't stand the interface (controlling it over midi didn't appeal to me as I'm trying to build a live jamming set up, so less is more)
ha yes for a live set up oriented jam/improvisation it's not the best for sure...
@@audioreakt Gonna combine it with my Electra One:)
Still the best kick I'd say. After buying a modbase MK2, I don't want to turn on my Rytm anymore.
you might have just puish me to get one, it's been on my whishing list for long but never got one because already got the mbase, but the fact that the modbase is more hand on sound better to use... rytm is pretty cool though too
@@audioreakt yes, they sound identical but the modbase Is super hands on.
I was exageratin, I love the rytm and the possibility It offers, I Just find the jomox sound superior overall compared to the rytm Analog engines.
Hey ! Thank you
Did you noticed that the pitch tracking function (by semitone) doesn't track well ? Also it deactivate the ability to tune your kick.
It's a shame, in a live set environement, but in the studio I guess it's not that important if you use it to craft samples
never used in a live set... so never noticed, in the studio it's perfect indeed
I just bought one of these to replace my broken vermona.
what happen to your vermona, this stuff are build like a tank ?
What arturia is it?
Great sound
thanks, it the beatstep
Great Video !!!! everything work accept the pitch, it keeps revert back to the original . Do you know how i can slave this problem ?? Thanks
check if you don't have another controller sending message to the same CC
@@audioreaktwould you have a video explaining this? I’m having the same issue with my mbase 01, which is triggered by the kick drum on my mfb.
Can this BeatStep play 64-step sequences (4 sequences of 16 steps)?
mmm I don't use the beatstep that miuch anymore, I dont remember if it can do 64 steps... check the product spec you might find it quick.
How did you map your controller with the mbase?
with arturia midi center and the mbase manual for midi cc
Is it worth it without the beatstep? Or is it too much programming, whats your experience? The Vermona Lancet has a knob for each function for example, JMT VDR-1 is also looking good, no screens just knobs
to be honest without a controller you gonna be fustrated. Because like I said in the video they are some parameter that need to be adjust together to really enjoy the full potential of the machine... And yes the vermona is better to play with as it's one knob per function and the knob feel good too, so the user experience is much better. The last one you said, I was looking for it too, but haven't seen any proiper demo with people making kick, more like making synth/bass sound or weird percussion. I will have a second look..
Do you think the Volca Kick is a worthy alternative?
I have the volca kick. The mbase sounds better and has more options if we talking about sound design, but the volca kick is fine and half the price so yea it’s a choise
@@Youtubbbev thanks for answering. I don't have the volca kick so I cannot compare unfortunately...
Definitely check out some of the tricked out Volca Kick vids on here. It’s definitely no slouch. I love mine. I’m sure I’d love this MBase11 too 🙄
i have both volca kick and mbase11 and they both sound great but different at the same time. I could say that the volca kick is more fun to play by its own because of the sequencer tricks. It has some interesting features like the motion sequence, bend reverse and slides, also you can store 16 patterns that include all the parameters state. You can also make 303-like basslines! (beacause of the accents and the slides) Apart from that, the kicks sound loud and fat only when the Drive knob is a bit high, which introduces some overdrive (not bad distorting though). That means that you can't really make a clean long-decay 808 kick that is also loud. But for 909 kick it's totally great and punchy. Great also for hardcore - tekno kicks. For me the main drawback is that it doesn't receive velocity data, which is a shame.
The Mbase11 has a more "metal-like" sound, it sounds clean and punchy, as we heard in the video, it always cuts through the mix and with some effects it really shines. I think the most interesting feature is the LFO feature, you can create many unusual kicks. The main drawback is that you need an external midi controller to properly use it in a live situation, as you can't control more than one function at a time. But if you play using a preset that you made before it's ok.
When i want a warm, overdriven kick, i use the volca. When i want a colder bassy and puchy kick i use the mbase11 :)
How did you map the controls to the Keystep?? Is it difficult
yeah you have to use the arturia midi center and map maually each knob to the right cc. you can find the cc list on the jomox manual at the end...
@@audioreakt Ty for your time brother
The volca kick is a pretty flexible comparison.
I need to get my hand on one
What makes a kick sound outdated? Can you tell the difference between a sine wave from 2010 and 2020? This thing still rocks, imho.
i don;t know how to explain it, but for exemple making kick with the jmox or with Kick2 its two differnt way. The jomox is more analog punchy raw style of kick which in most case will need some processing on depending the style of music you do. Where for exemple when you use vst like Kick2 or punchbox somehow it feel the kick are more modern, maybe the layering and process fx that are incluning int the vst deos that. Idk but my point was if you are looking for modern sounding kick ( = process/layered kick), you might be disappointing in that type of machine because you will need extra work to make it feat your track.
@@audioreakt Good explanation. I see what you mean and agree that processing is definitely required to stand out in a current House or Techno mix. With EQ, some light compression as well as a subtle dash of distortion, I manage to create House Kicks that live up to today's "standards" without the need to layer it. The attack noise of the MBase is basically already the top layer that cuts through the mix. I have also used Kick 2 and Punchbox. To me, Kick 2 has proven to be the best VST for fast, professional results: in no time, you get a great kick sound ready for use in a modern track without any further external processing. However, keep in mind that aside from layers (which is nothing new) even the plugins feature a heavy internal processing chain.
I don't know what to think. I mean I hear something like Metrum plugin, and it can just do so much more, or Sonic Academy Kick 2.. I don't think this one is worth it for DAW users, but possibly for live use.
true, you will also need to process it anyway. but if you do industrial/raw techno and will disttort your kick a lot, I feel analog kick machine react better to saturation/distortion.. it doesn't mean you cannot make great raw techno/industrial kick with metrum or kick2 but I find it easier with a machine like that
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Yes the Jomox is my favorite kick drum a demo of the eurorack module ua-cam.com/video/sjl6rq6q2-Y/v-deo.html
Yes I am aware of, other people mentioned it already, but I am trying to avoid the modular pitfall ...for now...haha
Still good? Haven’t the samples decayed? I’m sure the sounds are past their use by date aren’t they?..
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there is no "use by date " on the box 🤷♂️
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