@@Mr_Sovik The Enterprise's port and starboard phaser banks are directly mentioned in _Balance of Terror._ The aft phaser was mentioned in _Arena._ All of them are mentioned together in _The Paradise Syndrome,_ as phaser banks 1 thru 4. All in dialogue: none were seen firing due to budget limitations. The _Booklet of General Plans: USS Constitution Class_ shows the actual location of the phaser banks. *That book is absolute canon:* it is the original source of the canonical 'Constitution Class' designation (which was never said onscreen), and is the only officially endorsed blueprint for the Constitution Class that exists.
The Constitutions didn't have phaser arrays, but rather phaser banks, which is why their firing arcs are so limited. Same with the Excelsior. Not sure what AI Sulu was doing - lots of time in places between shots. Excelsior should dominate a fight against a pre-refit Constitution...
When we saw the TOS Defiant in Enterprise (In A Mirror Darkly), she had aft torpedoes as well as phasers. I think that they should have added that to the Enterprise. I THINK the Defiant in Enterprise had phasers on the dorsal saucer and not just their ventral side. I could be wrong though...I'd have to watch that episode again. It's cool the Excelsior is the NX version of the ship. I love that version of the ship. I know the NCC is nearly identical but some things were changed. The bridge, the impulse crystal, and the observation deck for the shuttlebay. I mean that's on top of the secondary hull sitting just forward of that alcove. We know that Sulu took command of the NCC version. I'm surprised the TOS Enterprise won. With the tech gap between the two the Excelsior should have won easily.
I don’t think it’s cannon, but I like the idea that excelsior was the answer to the Connie’s weaknesses, that large warp core is deep inside the ship vs. the refit its exposed on the neck… which I never imagined before the internet.
If you see that Lil bulb just above the hanger doors on the secondary hull. That's the rear phaser emitter. Whoever designed that didn't add it in as it should have.
You could win every time by staying inside of the Excelsior's torpedo envelope, which, because of how long the ship is, is rather roomy. They could never destroy you with phasers alone.
6:27 Is that a shuttlebay? I know the clamshell deal at the end of the secondary hull is a shuttlebay (and I want to say the two ports on the neck are bays for worker bees), but I'm not sure the open area on the bottom is another bay.
I guess I was figuring it was a dedicated cargo bay (IIRC, the Galaxy class has cargo bays in that part of its secondary hull, so I just figured that design feature started with the Excelsior).
This is one of the reasons why I like the original TOS enterprise vs the refit. It can really hold its own against a ship more advanced than it. Meanwhile the refit can barley take a hit from a MIRANDA without half of it blowing up. Even the NX-01 couldn’t take that much of a beating, so it really highlights just how robust the original constitution class could be.
@@RetroBadgerGaming oh definitely. Honestly I always imagined the constitution class refit as a semi failure as it didn’t really last too terribly long in service since the excelsior class came along very soon after. While the original constitution class went through a lot and kept going for a good long time. The refit is a good ship, but the original is the BEST ship.
Run this one back with you controlling the Excelsior. I have a feeling it might be a much shorter video because you'll actually shoot at the Connie.
Also, the original Constitution Class has port and starboard phasers, and they are *_on top_* of the saucer hull.
@@Mr_Sovik
The Enterprise's port and starboard phaser banks are directly mentioned in _Balance of Terror._ The aft phaser was mentioned in _Arena._ All of them are mentioned together in _The Paradise Syndrome,_ as phaser banks 1 thru 4. All in dialogue: none were seen firing due to budget limitations.
The _Booklet of General Plans: USS Constitution Class_ shows the actual location of the phaser banks. *That book is absolute canon:* it is the original source of the canonical 'Constitution Class' designation (which was never said onscreen), and is the only officially endorsed blueprint for the Constitution Class that exists.
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You're welcome, and thank you.
That was not a good battle. Excelsior should have been a lot more accurate with its fire.
I still want Excelsior vs Enterprise B
Excelsior will win, unless it's a Tuesday.
1:00 - You didn't take shield damage there because photon torpedoes have a small chance to bypass shields completely.
The Constitutions didn't have phaser arrays, but rather phaser banks, which is why their firing arcs are so limited.
Same with the Excelsior.
Not sure what AI Sulu was doing - lots of time in places between shots. Excelsior should dominate a fight against a pre-refit Constitution...
I'm interested in Kirk v Sulu with the ships from undiscovered country.
When we saw the TOS Defiant in Enterprise (In A Mirror Darkly), she had aft torpedoes as well as phasers. I think that they should have added that to the Enterprise. I THINK the Defiant in Enterprise had phasers on the dorsal saucer and not just their ventral side. I could be wrong though...I'd have to watch that episode again.
It's cool the Excelsior is the NX version of the ship. I love that version of the ship. I know the NCC is nearly identical but some things were changed. The bridge, the impulse crystal, and the observation deck for the shuttlebay. I mean that's on top of the secondary hull sitting just forward of that alcove. We know that Sulu took command of the NCC version.
I'm surprised the TOS Enterprise won. With the tech gap between the two the Excelsior should have won easily.
"Helllooooo."
"Oh my."
I don’t think it’s cannon, but I like the idea that excelsior was the answer to the Connie’s weaknesses, that large warp core is deep inside the ship vs. the refit its exposed on the neck… which I never imagined before the internet.
Also you have 2 Vulcans 1 on each ship Spock and Tuvok...hmm... Scotty is saying ''I'm giving it all she's got, captain! ''...!
Square torpedo? No no. Squarepedo
Sulu was probably too distracted making social media posts about how much he disliked working with Kirk.
The tense would add up in TWOK if the Reliant is an Excelsior. Imagine that kind of battle in that film.
8:58 Retro Badger, light the match!
Sulu had his pork sword out in his ready room and left a drunk tactical officer in charge ohhh my
Squeare torpedos.......the most deadliest torpedos in the Alpha Quadrant :)
Sulu was probably too busy drinking Vulcan tea to focus on combat. 🙂
There is also a tech strength difference... A true test would be enterprise refit vs excelsior
Agreed!
A tos constitution class from hell would be cool
If you see that Lil bulb just above the hanger doors on the secondary hull. That's the rear phaser emitter. Whoever designed that didn't add it in as it should have.
This will be the ultimate fight at their end: Shatner vs. Takei.
Enterprise vs. Reliant please.
That blue part on the bottom of the excelsior isnt the shuttle bay.. the shuttle bay is in the same spot as the connie.. look at it closer
You could win every time by staying inside of the Excelsior's torpedo envelope, which, because of how long the ship is, is rather roomy. They could never destroy you with phasers alone.
Can we see more of the custom bridges?
Sure! I’ll try and include more in future vids.
No weapons officer on the Excelsior until Tuesday?
Beginning to think that...
That Excelsior is piloted by storm troopers…
You should be using the film version of the Constitution Class... not the classic version. ;)
How about B5 vs Stargate?
SW vs BSG?
Stargate vs SW?
It always bothered me that this E never had aft weaponry.
Pretty sure canonically it has a torpedo launcher in the stern
@@doge_sevens yup, the constitution class Defiant fires aft torpedoes in the mirror universe Enterprise episodes.
Sulu: "We got this: Manual targeting only."
Gavin: "...Sir, are you sure th"
Sulu: "Manual Targeting Only!"
One ping only, please. 😛
but the Org. Enterprise did not have quantum torpedoes.
6:27 Is that a shuttlebay? I know the clamshell deal at the end of the secondary hull is a shuttlebay (and I want to say the two ports on the neck are bays for worker bees), but I'm not sure the open area on the bottom is another bay.
If it's not a Shuttle Bay, maybe it's some sort of exhaust vent?
I guess I was figuring it was a dedicated cargo bay (IIRC, the Galaxy class has cargo bays in that part of its secondary hull, so I just figured that design feature started with the Excelsior).
@@RetroBadgerGaming It has always been considered a cargo bay.
Did you say they surrendered, and you kept on killing them?
Sulu just couldn't kill his past self so in order to not cause a paradox future Sulu had to make a token effort but finally let his ship be destroyed.
Why the Excelsior always miss with his torpedoes
Phaser emitter
The similarities between Excelsior and Discovery are probably because they both took inspiration from the unused phase 2 design for the Enterprise.
I do not see any similarities, lol.
This is one of the reasons why I like the original TOS enterprise vs the refit. It can really hold its own against a ship more advanced than it. Meanwhile the refit can barley take a hit from a MIRANDA without half of it blowing up. Even the NX-01 couldn’t take that much of a beating, so it really highlights just how robust the original constitution class could be.
It sure went through a lot in the Original Series! Probably one of those ships where they say, “They don’t make em like they used too!”
@@RetroBadgerGaming oh definitely. Honestly I always imagined the constitution class refit as a semi failure as it didn’t really last too terribly long in service since the excelsior class came along very soon after. While the original constitution class went through a lot and kept going for a good long time. The refit is a good ship, but the original is the BEST ship.
Have you ever watched the UA-cam edit called the Wrath of Sulu? 🤣
Haha! Just watched it. So funny.
@@RetroBadgerGaming Are we firing torpedoes? 🤣🤣🤣
Nope. Excelsior never would face the original Enterprise.
the Excelsior threw the match
well this is totally unexpected. a ship that's 24-30 years behind in tech plus against a ship that outguns it 3:1, TOS connie wins?
like what lol
If anything the TOS Connie outgunned the Excelsior here
@@keyboardt8276 i'm talking in universe lore.