Shin doesn't act like she can do everything better than Luke, Anakin, Yoda, etc... Rey didn't suffer, she didn't struggle. Even Yoda struggled. Also, Shin's definitely a Hati...
Being abandoned as a child by their parents on a desert planet, and left with some weird junkyard dealer is no walk in the park. There was a lot of potential to develop Rey after TFA, but it was largely wasted in TLJ & RoS
@@sascharai1335 And right after that she beat the chosen one's grandson in combat while using a lightsaber for the first time. She should've been further developed, yes. In the next movie she should've already been stronger than Palpatine and Yoda and in Ep9 annihilated entire plantes like Valkorion in Old Republic.
@@AGamarraI can’t tell if you’re joking, the 8th movie of Star Wars is the worst piece of Star Wars content on earth, Rey hasn’t even suffered compared to so many other characters.
And even then there are more experienced opponents she can't overcome due to her still being young and not near her prime. She's strong and skilled but not absurdly so, she can still grow and learn, as it should be.
Yeah, Rey was a fucking "Mary Sue". How does one of the largest storytelling corporations on earth fall into writing a Mary Sue? They deserve every word of criticism they receive.
@@citizen_wayne Luke's entire training was off screen besides him running around carrying Yoda on his back, and trying to raise an X Wing out of some water. I remember when I saw those movies as a child(born in 1982) and wondering how the hell Luke got so strong, why was he suddenly called a Jedi. No explanation for his power change was ever given. Rey literally had the same damn training montage as Luke.
*What I like about Shin is that, you see her questioning the Dark Side, in her eyes. Whenever Baylan gives her an order, or basically, almost every time he speaks to her, you see in her eyes she's questioning him. Also, she always makes sure the NightSisters never leave her sight. Her eyes lock in on them, with a not-so-subtle look of terror in them. Like, when she found out Morgan is a NigthtSister, Side-Eye City!* 👀😳
She is literally acting just with her eyes, she doesn't need to do anything else. 🙂 And yes, I think that most of people understend her character in a wrong way, after episode 6, I see that she is not evil, she is just confusing because she thinks that she is and is not a jedi in the same time, Baylan speaks in riddles to her and and she is confused. When he was talking about other jedi trained after order 66, she didn't look evil, she was just curious like if she wanted to meet other people similar to her. Maybe we are wrong and we see something what is not there, but I think Baylan is more evil from these two because he is constantly speaking about some codex and jedi ways, while his actions says something different, he will do something stupid. And Shin was very surprised when blue Elon Musk ordered them to chase Sabine after Baylan gave her his word. Her face expression was like "so, I can't trust you anymore"
Nope, she couldn't trust him anymore. He abandoned her to go off and do his thing. Then Thrawn and Morgan decice to screw her too, marooning her on Peridia. If I were her I would want some payback on Morgan and Thrawn. Maybe she goes back with Ahsoka and makes a deal with the republic. She helps defeat Thrawn in exchange for a pardon. @@Pidalin
The mistake with Rey is that she hasn’t got a dishonest or traumatic bone in her body. She gets abandoned on a planet all alone by her parents and somehow she grows up fully understanding that and waiting for them to come back. There’s no way a child abandoned like that grows up the way Rey turns out. You learn to fend for yourself, you care only about yourself and the emotional scars of abandonment will do the exact opposite of what we actually got. If Abrams focused the story on that, the abandonment she got, being forced to fend for herself, having a chip on her shoulder about her parents that Snoke would then attempt to turn into hatred would make her temptation towards the dark side so much more interesting. That’s the huge screw up with Rey’s character. To this day I am just so angry over this massive missed opportunity. The setup was perfect, but they completely floundered it with making Rey a perfect, albeit naive little angel, despite the childhood abandonment that would have scarred any of us as children, regardless of whether or not it was for a good intention.
Actually ezra is a good example of being abandoned by your parents. When we find Ezra, he is a self serving thief. And later he is very traumatized by being abandoned by his parents.
Baylan & Shin are no doubt, the show steelers of the Ahsoka series. Shin is my fav., of all the characters. She's relatable, mysterious, unique, intriguing, dark, charismatic, smart, honorable, loyal, ambitious, sexy without trying to be, yet, there's an expression of innocence & curiosity that's displayed on her face & eyes whenever, challenged by Baylan, Morgan, Thrawn, & Ahsoka, that shows her vulnerability, she's also conflicted & flawed which makes her more so interesting. We are longing to know more of this enigma, of a woman. Unlike Ahsoka Shin has a steady & subtle character development, going on in the series, i could see Shin in a spin-off show of her own, if done right. And let's just say, Ivanna Sakhno is a natural with the lightsaber, better than Rosario Dawson. These attributes are what makes Shin so likeable, more so than Rey Palpatine.
When A Sensei is in training or amidst A lesson session with any student, is that teacher out to kill them or assessing their skill & competency?what can hinder a dancer more than wearing a mask or a large headpeice to throw off their choreographic movements wich slows their pacing, unbalances their steps & keep it all together so that it can maintain some viable sense of beleivability.Thats entertainment & these people are working hard to make you believe that this could be real.They all do a fine job.
Totally shipping Shin and Sabine. Also, read the fanfiction "Storms of the eye", and you'll see the potential this shipping, Shin's character, and the Ahsoka storyline has in general.
I have always said Rey needed to embrace the Palpatine name! Even Leila said don’t be afraid of who you are! And what does she do, I’m a Skywalker?… missed opportunity.
Respectfully, which "she" are we referring to? Sorry if I misused the quotations, but at the same time it mentions this blonde Sith lady I've never seen before, but then when I watch the video it's about why Rey isn't well received.
Ok, and thank you. Also, and maybe this has absolutely nothing to do with anything, but she looks exactly how Sia looked in the A.M.V. Chandelier. @@Darth_Arashi
Shin is liked because she is a more believable character. She is introduced as a fully trained padawan of Baylan's and it shows in her battle scenes with Sabine, a person struggling with jedi training. Rey is an untrained force user who picks up a lightsaber for the very first time and totally dominates a fully trained Jedi Knight who just destroyed her fully trained stormtrooper friend in a lightsaber battle. And she can use force lightning when she gets angry an ability Anikin didn't ever have.
Just one thing: Anakin had Force Lightning but due to his suit he cannot ever used it because Palpatine designed the Darth Vader suit to be incompatible with that ability so If Vader used it he would die!
Shin is what you would expect from a formally-trained Padwan of her age. Her powers aren't over-the-top and work without her even knowing what she's doing. She's *skilled* because her Master was an actual Jedi Knight who (gasp!) spent time training her. It's the same reason people relate to Ahsoka and Ezra. They didn't just get introduced and immediately upstage more experienced Force users with their awesomeness. We saw them *learning* from their Masters just as we see Shin as a young, but developing, (Dark) Jedi who has *earned* her abilities.
Anakin never had force lightning because that's a sith force ability AND by the time Anakin became a sith both arms were severed severing his ability to use force lightning
@@robertblake7824 i swear I am going to go to search for that Star Wars Theory Video that explains why Darth Vader had Force Lightning and even used a Rare Variant of it named Force Kinetite, old a minute!
The thing that bugs me about Rey is that while barely realizing she even had any connection to the force and having zero training, she was able to use the force to easily escape captivity from a fortified enemy base and then stand toe to toe with Kylo Ren (who had decades of training) in a lightsabet duel.
You nailed it. When you compare that to Luke... "SHE" is the best ever... SHE is so much better, SHE can beat a sith lord with almost no training because HE just isn't the natural that SHE is. Now compare this to the other drivel coming out of Disney and you can see they're no longer interested in telling good stories.
@@drewhubbard9214same happened to indiana Jones, out of nowhere comes a stupid short haired female character that all of a sudden does everything better.
You could make Shin Hati a Sith or a Jedi and it would work just as well either way. The only thing that'd work for rey Palpatine is to axe the character for good. Shin Hati has development, character, we can SEE she's been trained in the Jedi arts enough to be a threat with a lightsabre, she is fallible, isn't the focus of every scene she's in (forced or otherwise) and doesn't seem to know everything. Now try and apply any of those to Kathleen Kennedy's little self insert.
What if She Hulk style, Rey penetrated the 4th wall and slaughtered Kennedy and all the Woketards at a Woketard Circle Jerk? We could even do an Amazon crossover with those LOTR Butchers! Then both companies would announce their firings and that Critical Drinker is now head of all production for both companies!
Thing is Shin is fighting within her weight class. Shes not beating or challenging Ahsoka. Luke in a New Hope didnt even use a lightsaber much less fight Vader. Ray goes from not knowing anything to beating Kylo Ren who has over two decades more experience.
Yeah. But the Ahsoka is the classic soap opera plot armor writing, where characters make irrational decisions, which hurts the plot, compared to Andor, where almost all characters make rational decisions, and the good guys are also doing shady stuff, even if it just hurts them deep inside to have to do so. If I were Ahsoka, I would've called Luke immediately once I learned of the two jedi having freed Morgan, so they could be taken care of quickly, instead Ahsoka taking her time, and trusting Sabine to help her out with anything more than unlocking the map, when she knows Sabine doesn't follow orders. Also, when Sabine had finished recovering in the hospital, I would've locked her up, and even had her stand trial, for her stealing the map, and losing it to the enemy, so she can learn that her actions have consequences.
@ncard00 To be fair it was a task Asohka would be equipped to handle. Granted I understand them not going the Luke route. Unfortunately a lot of Disney Star Wars rely on OG characters in cameos. Mandalorian was good on its own. Boba Fett was so bad they relied on Dinn again but also Bane. Kenobi was purely about OG characters ruined by Reva. Asohka already used Anakin.
I kinda feel bad for Shin. She got a raw deal. Her master lead her along his agenda, ordered her to do almost all the work, and then abandoned her on the Peridia wasteland. Then, Thrawn and Morgan that brought her to this, marooned her there. If she surrendered to Ahsoka and somehow got back to her galaxy, she is a criminal in the republic. She would be facing a lot of jail time for her actions. I can imagine her going back with Ahsoka and making a deal with the republic. She helps to defeat Thrawn in exchange for a pardon. I think she was too much in shock to consider all that in the moment right after the troopers abandoned her. I think her approaching the raiders at the end of episode 8 like she did was her trying to make the best of a terrible situation.
I'd still love to see Baylan and Shin in a tales of the jedi season, to learn more about their motivations, especially Shin's, if she's just following Baylan cause she was left all alone, and had nobody, or if she actually has some motivations herself, besides helping Baylan fullfill his goals.
Hot, doesn't talk much, hangs out with a middle aged man, calls him master... I mean that's one angry demographic won over already. semi-jokes aside, she's coded ASD (focused on special interest, loyal, social deficits, low emotional affect), that's another demographic won over. (calm down, I'm 50, and autistic) She's iconic. Star Wars needed a new icon. Agree with most of the points in the video.
I was hoping that was a full joke and not a semi because…yeah. As a girl her age with autism I still have to get used to the rationale of the male demo liking her. Jokes are lined with truth and it’s informed by simple objectification. It’s a neutral thing in media at this point and I’m not gonna be the finger wagging person saying you can’t find a character attractive, but it just feels so idk…unrewarding? I have similar sentiments with any gender being simped to the point you feel like they just watch things to leer and the story doesn’t matter. I love flawed and normal female characters that don’t dunk on being a woman and acting like a overpowered stoic blob that ‘takes care of business.’ Just trying to be adjacent with the men and put down other women for not being super badass like them. I notice that’s the way writers handle girls in recent times. It is patronizing. We don’t want to humiliate a woman on screen by seeing her fail or struggle. We don’t want to show her have a temper because jerks will call her annoying. She has to be perfect and empowering. In other words: boring. People like her because she’s not boring and she has charisma and if the writers are doing their job there are proper stakes to make watching her intriguing. Relating to characters goals, fears, failures, conflicts, choices, quirks etc are the trappings of liking a character in a meaningful way.
Because she is earning her skill and Rey went from what's the force to master in 3seconds. I like Rey but they really should have developed her character more.
Even without the whole "Palpatine/Skywalker" finale, I think people didn't sit well with Rey because she WASN'T part of the Skywalker dynasty. Say what you will, but the entire franchise up until Rey showed up circled around Anakin & his children. If they made it so she was a bastard child of Luke or Leia due to some one-night-stand or even the offspring from Padme's body doubles, her immense power and natural skill would make sense because it keeps it within the family. The fact that she was supposedly a child from some "nobody" made it acceptable because that was still a possibility, because it had the possibility of being the offspring of some hiding Jedi. That too would mean it was connected to Anakin's past as a member of the Jedi Order. Simply put, Star Wars Fans wanted Luke's successor to be connected to the family history in some fashion. In the end, that's what we got, but the idea that she just so happened to be Palpatine's granddaughter truly felt like a cop-out excuse that didn't belong in the script. Shin Hati, however, is not only brand new, but has the a Master who was a Jedi, embraces the Dark Side, uses a red(dish) saber, connects the show to the animated series (Clone Wars & Rebels) and uses both dark and light abilities with ease. She's basically what Ahsoka could have been if she had stayed, and fell along side with Anakin. That alone connects her more to the Skywalker family & to Ahsoka personally than Rey could offer.
Which is why Ahsoka should train Shin. It does ‘rhyme’ with Ahsokas story, she abandoned her master, now Baylan is abandoning Shin though I believe he’s protecting her in doing so. Nevertheless, it just makes sense.
Compare Rey's struggle with Luke's. Rey barely had to overcome anything relative to Luke. She just could use the force and a lightsaber because she's just "that good." It's not interesting. Luke... Wow... He went through a lot. He struggled. He overcame. He EARNED it. Rey - not nearly as much.
Yes! on all points especially Anakin being the core character of the entire saga. Leaving him out and having Rey be a Palpatine was what I call a betrayal of the audience and to the story overall.
Baylan and Shin remind me more of Qui gon and Obi Won. Shin shows respect to her teacher despite her apparent inner questioning of his motivation. That is respect. Rey showed reverence for no one really..
Something I loved about both Shin and Baylen (and actually about the whole show) was that it felt almost like from legends. I can't tell why or how but every time they appeared on the screen i had that same feeling about SW as i had when i was reading Thrawns trilogy or New jedi order.
@@marty.m2933 yeah I got that vibe too I thoroughly enjoyed their characters. I’ve made many other videos like this one so if you want feel free to browse my channel.
The funny part with more fans apparently liking Shin over Rey, is that viewing nu.bers for Ahsoka aren't even really high. Conversely, the ST obviously played in theaters and such. Yet more people liking Shin points to a conclusion that very view people out of the much larger number of people seeing the ST liked Rey.
Yeah, but those fewer fans are all the more hardcore ones, compared to many casual fans watching the movies, so you can't take their opinion as seriously as the opinions of those who know star wars far better.
I think the key part of Shin's appeal is that we *don't* know who or what she is. The fans know who Ahsoka is, and that she's got impenetrable plot armor. Sabine the same (who apparently can't be killed with a lightsaber!), and Hera. There's no indication that we'll see any of these three do anything truly unexpected or self-destructive. But Shin is a complete unknown, and it can be hoped she'll have a good antagonist arc (a slender hope, given the quality of the writing, but some hope nontheless). She could become a true villain, she could turn, she could double-cross. She doesn't seem to be all in with Thrawn & the Pips, either. IMO, she's got the best saber technique in the whole show, except maybe her master. That helps a lot too... ...if only lightsabers through the torso actually hurt people...
I was thinking, Abeloth, and after seeing a fan edit of her turning into Abeloth, I'm even more convinced, with Baylan also standing by the statues of the Mortis gods at the end.
We like characters because they're in conflict with a villain, with the world, with themselves. Anakin is amazing because we see the conflict within him. Superman is great, because there is conflict between him doing what's right and what he can. Kylo Ren is great because there is conflict withing him. Goku is great because he is constant conflict with people stronger than him. Rey doesn't have conflict. Everything she does happens directly and without pushback. She beats her enemies without issues, masters the Force easily, performs engineering without a hitch, makes friends without effort. It's just not engaging to watch characters who don't have problems. Hell, even Gojo (JJK) is in conflict with the world as he doesn't understand it because of his power. Rey could've gone down that road as well, at least. Shin Hati fails. Her conflict is within herself and with heroes. She actually goes through a journey. Rey is in one.
Anakin is stupid and selfish, choosing one person over the entire galaxy, giving into those primitive humans emotions that are love, depending on outside infuence to be happy, and wanting justice in a broken system he can't fix, the republic and the jedi. He should've just left with Ahsoka and Padme to the outer rim, instead of both him and Padme being so naive, and thinking they were actually making a difference.
She's the best character in the show. Everyone is bland but her. At the beginning wen she crouches and darts forward, she played that well. Best actress on the show for sure... She's actually interesting
Shin has so much potential. I pray we see more of her. Did anyone else preorder her Black Series Figure? By the way, Yes, you’re correct. Rey is NOT a Skywalker, she is a Palpatine. With that said, Palpatine defeated the Skywalkers. Sad but harsh truth.
stunning eyes and looks she throws, does not talk much but listens and obeys orders even if got her doubts, knows got flaws and works on them....and the actress is cute too although those moles all over her left side should be taken care of.... reminds me of ella newton, even if stoic and calm, doing nothing somehow achieves to be INTENSE and a scene stealer....
shes more well received because shes not a mary sue. she didnt pick up her power at a 7/11 and became a master overnight. shes a regular padawan whos on a career change
Rey is a literal Mary Sue, she feels more like a blank slate character from a video game than an actual character. Bro they barely scratched the surface of Shin and Baylan and they are already a much more intriguing and compelling characters than probably pretty much anyone in the new trilogy. The impatient student and a malevolent master, these are great classic archetypes and they are delivered very well. Also Rey is a Karen, meanwhile Shin is an unstable goth gf which is just plain a superior combo.
Because she's not a mary sue she doesn't act like she can do everything nor can she while she is skilled she has been beaten and is flawed and struggles and tries, all of that makes her more relatable. You also question her dark side as she almost falls more into the realm of a grey jedi then an actual sith or dark sider. Unlike Rey who can do anything at any time without rhyme or reason which makes it hard to relate to her as a character and it also makes her a mary sue who has no trouble or struggles and will defeat everything in her path first try because "reasons". That's bad character design. Part of what made Luke such a great character was that he failed and he came back from it stronger and even anakin that literal chosen one of the force itself and the most powerful jedi with the greatest potential failed and didn't know how to do stuff.
Bro I can tell you right now the reason she's so well received is because she's basically a Star Wars goth GF and you KNOW that that's like the zoomer Achillies heel (myself included to a degree). I haven't watched the show, but I know I'm right.
random thought: if rey turned to the darkside and fully embrace Sidious legacy that could have been the greatest plot twist we could have seen and maybe a good villain for future film while not destroying everything of what have been done before, but yeah it make no sense and thanks i'm not a scenarist
She doesn't need to speak in order to portray her character, she radiates subtle power, intrigue, poise, mystery, and unlike the Inquisitor in Kenobi, she can be vulnerable and question her master and Morgan's and Thrawn's motives. Her grim silence speaks volumes. Plus, neither her or Baylan wield the dark side throughout season 1. No yellow-red Sith eyes, no philosophizing about the dark side or anger and fear, no Force lightning, etc.
like what? She's just emo, doing Baylan's bidding, and can't even beat Sabine due to stupid writing and plot armor, a quick force choke would end their fight quickly. Unless she becomes Abeloth or something, there's nothing inetersting about her.
Because Shin is an intriguing character who also doesn't succeed at everything she tries. She's basically a Dark Jedi Padawan who is uncertain about her future, but is still competent thanks to extensive training by her Master Baylan. She's not riding the Destiny Freeway that allows her to lift piles of boulders or shoot down transports with Force Lightning without even trying. Wherever she came from, she's clearly more concerned with her future than her past (e.g. no whining about her parents). We, the audience, have no idea what her future holds either because, again, she's not riding the Destiny Freeway. So we want to see what happens because she's interesting and her future is unclear.
Except the thing with Anakin is that the entire Star Wars universe doesn't necessarily "revolve" around him or any decision that he makes per say nor should any vast fictional universe EVER revolve around just one character either for that matter. Also, even with his high midichlorian count and vast potential, Yoda still had *centuries* worth of knowledge and experience on young Skywalker so technically, Yoda was *still* far more powerful than Anakin and there have also been some Jedi out there have actually proven to be either on or even *above* Anakin's level as well so as powerful as Anakin was, he was never *that* powerful really.
Shin is morally grey trained by a master and is not at her full potential yet Rey defeats Ren the first time she picks up a lightsaber uses the force like a master and had zero training this is why she isnt liked
What helps about Shin is that the lady can actually act unlike Daisy Ridley. You also have Shin being vulnerable. She has flaws. Rey doesn’t display flaws. Which makes her an unbelievable and not someone that you can connect with. Also, one thing that hurt Rey was Kylo Ren. He was the one with the inner turmoil, he was the character that people could connect with
Just an example between many others, but the fact than Shin rely on Baylan and seeks advises and other things from him makes her character more real and genuine. It doesn't make her weak either, she's pretty bad-ass in her way, when she's fighting we understand that she has been trained very intensively. Rey as you said never seems to struggle, she's just the best at anything she's doing, (the best mechanic, the best pilot, the best Jedi, etc...) her character feels too unrealistic, she doesn't have any flaws (which is highly improbable for a human). And no, it's not just "because she's a girl" or anything like this, if she was a well written character thing would have been different. And the character of Shin is another perfect argument to prove this.
Because Shin isn't a poorly written Mary Sue who's somehow "knows the Force" because 'ShE's a PalPaTiNe' (somehow). Shin has dimensions/layers to her character. Rey is a crappy "self-insert fanfiction" fantasy for a certain producer.
Making a character struggle is not easy, the interesting aspect that "hooks" fans can be described as someone who is walking on a string, taking questionable decisions while trying to be truly good. That is what makes a rich and complex character.
You're right. Luke became arrogant in episode 5 too. He tought with his minimum jedi training he could save his friends, but he was defeated by Vader, lost his hand and his friend was frozen into carbonita and delivered to another villain.
Shin Hati is trained for a long time already by a well respected Sith, She did not just pulled out everything from her "Magic". And even for the fact that being well trained she was still not above everything she faces. Her fight scenes feel more real because it feels like she is giving everything into it and not just facing issues and fights like walking into a park after all even being well trained she is still a rookie, and hence she is not invincible to Jedis with experience, hence unlike Rei she still could receive injuries or being defeated. Shi also have a more likeable personality, Unlike All about myself Mary Sues she is not talking back and being respectfull to her superiors in command, even if she is pointing out a mistake to one his own superiors or intent talk to them in a more "inrespectfull" manner she is still watching not making it personal or not to use a very bad manner. Which is so far living up even against her own enemies. And overall one of the most prominent difficulties beetwen the two is that Shin Hati has an inner struggle, She is not feeling herself better than the others and not runned by hate or a leading ideology. During the shown she asked Baylan I believe multiple times about "What would happen if we are achieving our goal? What change it would make?". She is following Baylan and the team out of respect and because he is her master, But she can't really see the goal the team is after, and as such she can't really place their actions as "good or bad" on the route. Which is visibly struggling her. On the other hand Rey always felt herself above the others, more superior, more right. She never really struggled on moral rights, she was just doing what she wanted to, and always felt herself above the others.
I like the New Girl shin better than I like, Ray , I know why she was actually trained. And she's a bad a**, too, oh, not to mention she was trained!!!.lol
'cause she as hot as melted iron, dude. No, wait. That's why _I_ like her. 😂 Nah, but seriously, most of Shin Hati and Baylan Skoll's appeal is the mistery. We don't know much about their quest through the entire season, and that draws a lot of attention. There's also the actor's... well... acting. In a series with mostly poor writing and bad direction, those two played their characters perfectly. Everything, every gesture in Baylan's character says "agenda". Everything in Shin's character says "wounded warrior". And both characters are very much competent. Maybe Shin isn't as skilled as Ahsoka, but she's definitely good. And Baylan is a monster. (And he's also played almost as a "sorta-evil" knight. A perfect gentleman. Far from the clichés and pollitical innuendos Hollywood produces nowadays.) Then there's also the context. They really shine in the mostly average production that is the Ahsoka series so far. But the danger to all of this, is that revealing the mistery can end up proving disappointing if it doesn't live up to the hype. (That, and Ray Stevenson unfortunately passing away. 💔)
@@Darth_Arashi her hair was a slightly more yellow blonde, but same haircut (without the little braid), she had a couple of tattoos and had a kid so she always had that bags under her eyes tired look. but wow was she fun on her nights off
cause she feels like a character for a start, full name, clearly trained for at least several years, not uber perfect at whatever she needs to do in the moment with no training shes a logical extension to the lore rather than "lolz im here now"
I agree 200% I’m not gonna lie I’ve made so many better videos now on similar subjects so feel free to check those out as well. I also have a video dropping here in the next few hours.
Because despite being fully trained she (Shin Hati) is not a Mary Sue? I've nothing against the actress... the actress is great. it's about her character. Rey seems to be the typical Mary Sue from a poor Star Trek fanfiction.
i dont think its that Rey didn't suffer. rather, it's because we didnt see her struggle too much internally with her morality. a hard life can very easily lead people down dark paths, but with Rey that never seemed possible. she was just too good, too pure
She looks relatable honestly doesn't just use force powers that takes people decades sometimes their entire life to figure out and treat it like it's nothing. Basically doesn't seem like a Mary Sue. Ahsoka is same way and why I like her over their mary sue.
Shin: A trained "sith" padawan by an experienced Ex-Jedi master. You can believe she still have a long way to complete. (Old school training)😮 Rey: One abandoned girl who dominates all Jedi Knight level skills at first try with zero/self training. Writters didn't know how to fix her broken power so you are forced to believe all she did was because she's a Palpatine 😂.
I’ve been through not having a father around, it is hard to accept your last name when your father isn’t around. So, somebody like me could actually relate to Rey in that manner. It takes a long time to accept a last name of someone who never cared about you. Her natural abilities relating to being a Palpatine make sense. From that perspective, I’ll admit I have no understanding of because I have no natural abilities whatsoever. However, in life I have seen many people who do. I guess I’m just defending Rey’s character for now. I have nothing against Shin’s. I’m excited to see her character development.
Interesting mystery and we know who trained her and she is not trying to BE anything or anyone beyond who she is. Great character we want to see more of and we know her future is still uncertain light, dark, grey etc..This is maybe what Rey should have been. Someone tell JJ and Kathleen K. this is how you write a new compelling character....
One of the big failings with Rey is that "You are whatever you say you are" silliness. You don't get to take the name of an established family you aren't part of unless they adopt you. Rey was already disliked as a Mary Sue character, but this was a further woke insanity that viewers immediately rejected.
I don't know where they came up with the word, nor do I claim that the word actually originates from my country. But "Hati" in Indonesian language means "heart". Make that what you will.
Ray should have just stuck with Ray and not adopted the Skywalker name. I can see why she did not want to be a Palpatine. Plus Shin is way more of a badass than Ray could ever be.
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Shin doesn't act like she can do everything better than Luke, Anakin, Yoda, etc... Rey didn't suffer, she didn't struggle. Even Yoda struggled. Also, Shin's definitely a Hati...
Shin didn't steal someone's last name.
Rey suffer in Episode 8. That is whay Episode 8 is good and for many other reasons.
Being abandoned as a child by their parents on a desert planet, and left with some weird junkyard dealer is no walk in the park.
There was a lot of potential to develop Rey after TFA, but it was largely wasted in TLJ & RoS
@@sascharai1335 And right after that she beat the chosen one's grandson in combat while using a lightsaber for the first time. She should've been further developed, yes. In the next movie she should've already been stronger than Palpatine and Yoda and in Ep9 annihilated entire plantes like Valkorion in Old Republic.
@@AGamarraI can’t tell if you’re joking, the 8th movie of Star Wars is the worst piece of Star Wars content on earth, Rey hasn’t even suffered compared to so many other characters.
Well, because unlike Rey, Shin is a FULLY TRAINED Force user. Shit didn't just happen for her.
And even then there are more experienced opponents she can't overcome due to her still being young and not near her prime. She's strong and skilled but not absurdly so, she can still grow and learn, as it should be.
Yeah, Rey was a fucking "Mary Sue". How does one of the largest storytelling corporations on earth fall into writing a Mary Sue? They deserve every word of criticism they receive.
Totally shipping Shin and Sabine. And a fan made and edit of Shin turning into Abeloth, incredibly horrifying...
@@citizen_wayne I have seen some fans speculate Rey was actually Abeloth in disguise (or at least an avatar of hers)! 🤣🤣🤣
@@citizen_wayne Luke's entire training was off screen besides him running around carrying Yoda on his back, and trying to raise an X Wing out of some water. I remember when I saw those movies as a child(born in 1982) and wondering how the hell Luke got so strong, why was he suddenly called a Jedi. No explanation for his power change was ever given. Rey literally had the same damn training montage as Luke.
*What I like about Shin is that, you see her questioning the Dark Side, in her eyes. Whenever Baylan gives her an order, or basically, almost every time he speaks to her, you see in her eyes she's questioning him. Also, she always makes sure the NightSisters never leave her sight. Her eyes lock in on them, with a not-so-subtle look of terror in them. Like, when she found out Morgan is a NigthtSister, Side-Eye City!* 👀😳
I think she is at that crossroads like Anikin and Luke had with being trained as a Jedi and tempted by the dark side.
She is literally acting just with her eyes, she doesn't need to do anything else. 🙂
And yes, I think that most of people understend her character in a wrong way, after episode 6, I see that she is not evil, she is just confusing because she thinks that she is and is not a jedi in the same time, Baylan speaks in riddles to her and and she is confused. When he was talking about other jedi trained after order 66, she didn't look evil, she was just curious like if she wanted to meet other people similar to her. Maybe we are wrong and we see something what is not there, but I think Baylan is more evil from these two because he is constantly speaking about some codex and jedi ways, while his actions says something different, he will do something stupid. And Shin was very surprised when blue Elon Musk ordered them to chase Sabine after Baylan gave her his word. Her face expression was like "so, I can't trust you anymore"
She was getting tired of doing almost all the work with no help from Baylan. "You're not going to help?'
Nope, she couldn't trust him anymore. He abandoned her to go off and do his thing. Then Thrawn and Morgan decice to screw her too, marooning her on Peridia. If I were her I would want some payback on Morgan and Thrawn. Maybe she goes back with Ahsoka and makes a deal with the republic. She helps defeat Thrawn in exchange for a pardon. @@Pidalin
@@pamaxwell1 DAMN good point, as well! *"So, I'm just doing ALL the heavy lifting, huh?"* lol
The mistake with Rey is that she hasn’t got a dishonest or traumatic bone in her body.
She gets abandoned on a planet all alone by her parents and somehow she grows up fully understanding that and waiting for them to come back. There’s no way a child abandoned like that grows up the way Rey turns out. You learn to fend for yourself, you care only about yourself and the emotional scars of abandonment will do the exact opposite of what we actually got.
If Abrams focused the story on that, the abandonment she got, being forced to fend for herself, having a chip on her shoulder about her parents that Snoke would then attempt to turn into hatred would make her temptation towards the dark side so much more interesting.
That’s the huge screw up with Rey’s character. To this day I am just so angry over this massive missed opportunity. The setup was perfect, but they completely floundered it with making Rey a perfect, albeit naive little angel, despite the childhood abandonment that would have scarred any of us as children, regardless of whether or not it was for a good intention.
Actually ezra is a good example of being abandoned by your parents. When we find Ezra, he is a self serving thief. And later he is very traumatized by being abandoned by his parents.
She just doesn't feel like a real person. As you said, her personality is at odds with her own character's backstory.
Shin Hati struggling and losing and try is more related
Yeah I can’t wait to see her development as a character continue on.
@@Darth_Arashi honestly she's a hottie like 7 of 9
@@neomatrix4412😂😂 that too but ever since I was a kid watching sky high I had a crush on Mary Elizabeth Winstead. 😂
Baylan & Shin are no doubt, the show steelers of the Ahsoka series. Shin is my fav., of all the characters. She's relatable, mysterious, unique, intriguing, dark, charismatic, smart, honorable, loyal, ambitious, sexy without trying to be, yet, there's an expression of innocence & curiosity that's displayed on her face & eyes whenever, challenged by Baylan, Morgan, Thrawn, & Ahsoka, that shows her vulnerability, she's also conflicted & flawed which makes her more so interesting. We are longing to know more of this enigma, of a woman. Unlike Ahsoka Shin has a steady & subtle character development, going on in the series, i could see Shin in a spin-off show of her own, if done right. And let's just say, Ivanna Sakhno is a natural with the lightsaber, better than Rosario Dawson. These attributes are what makes Shin so likeable, more so than Rey Palpatine.
When A Sensei is in training or amidst A lesson session with any student, is that teacher out to kill them or assessing their skill & competency?what can hinder a dancer more than wearing a mask or a large headpeice to throw off their choreographic movements wich slows their pacing, unbalances their steps & keep it all together so that it can maintain some viable sense of beleivability.Thats entertainment & these people are working hard to make you believe that this could be real.They all do a fine job.
Totally shipping Shin and Sabine. Also, read the fanfiction "Storms of the eye", and you'll see the potential this shipping, Shin's character, and the Ahsoka storyline has in general.
I have always said Rey needed to embrace the Palpatine name! Even Leila said don’t be afraid of who you are! And what does she do, I’m a Skywalker?… missed opportunity.
And identity theft.
@@Psyfi85and probably fraud
Well, for one she shows what she is through actions.
That’s very true I was thinking that while rewatching a few episodes.
Respectfully, which "she" are we referring to? Sorry if I misused the quotations, but at the same time it mentions this blonde Sith lady I've never seen before, but then when I watch the video it's about why Rey isn't well received.
@@michaelmonarch4692Shin is who I was referring too.
Ok, and thank you. Also, and maybe this has absolutely nothing to do with anything, but she looks exactly how Sia looked in the A.M.V. Chandelier. @@Darth_Arashi
Shin is liked because she is a more believable character. She is introduced as a fully trained padawan of Baylan's and it shows in her battle scenes with Sabine, a person struggling with jedi training. Rey is an untrained force user who picks up a lightsaber for the very first time and totally dominates a fully trained Jedi Knight who just destroyed her fully trained stormtrooper friend in a lightsaber battle. And she can use force lightning when she gets angry an ability Anikin didn't ever have.
Just one thing: Anakin had Force Lightning but due to his suit he cannot ever used it because Palpatine designed the Darth Vader suit to be incompatible with that ability so If Vader used it he would die!
@@lilebo_off which means he didn't have it. If you can't use it, what's the point of saying you have it if it can kill you.
Shin is what you would expect from a formally-trained Padwan of her age. Her powers aren't over-the-top and work without her even knowing what she's doing. She's *skilled* because her Master was an actual Jedi Knight who (gasp!) spent time training her. It's the same reason people relate to Ahsoka and Ezra. They didn't just get introduced and immediately upstage more experienced Force users with their awesomeness. We saw them *learning* from their Masters just as we see Shin as a young, but developing, (Dark) Jedi who has *earned* her abilities.
Anakin never had force lightning because that's a sith force ability AND by the time Anakin became a sith both arms were severed severing his ability to use force lightning
@@robertblake7824 i swear I am going to go to search for that Star Wars Theory Video that explains why Darth Vader had Force Lightning and even used a Rare Variant of it named Force Kinetite, old a minute!
The thing that bugs me about Rey is that while barely realizing she even had any connection to the force and having zero training, she was able to use the force to easily escape captivity from a fortified enemy base and then stand toe to toe with Kylo Ren (who had decades of training) in a lightsabet duel.
You nailed it. When you compare that to Luke... "SHE" is the best ever... SHE is so much better, SHE can beat a sith lord with almost no training because HE just isn't the natural that SHE is. Now compare this to the other drivel coming out of Disney and you can see they're no longer interested in telling good stories.
@@drewhubbard9214same happened to indiana Jones, out of nowhere comes a stupid short haired female character that all of a sudden does everything better.
You could make Shin Hati a Sith or a Jedi and it would work just as well either way. The only thing that'd work for rey Palpatine is to axe the character for good.
Shin Hati has development, character, we can SEE she's been trained in the Jedi arts enough to be a threat with a lightsabre, she is fallible, isn't the focus of every scene she's in (forced or otherwise) and doesn't seem to know everything. Now try and apply any of those to Kathleen Kennedy's little self insert.
What if She Hulk style, Rey penetrated the 4th wall and slaughtered Kennedy and all the Woketards at a Woketard Circle Jerk? We could even do an Amazon crossover with those LOTR Butchers! Then both companies would announce their firings and that Critical Drinker is now head of all production for both companies!
I would have happier with "I'm Rey, just Rey"
Just Rey was still not a very good character.
Thing is Shin is fighting within her weight class. Shes not beating or challenging Ahsoka. Luke in a New Hope didnt even use a lightsaber much less fight Vader. Ray goes from not knowing anything to beating Kylo Ren who has over two decades more experience.
True
Yeah. But the Ahsoka is the classic soap opera plot armor writing, where characters make irrational decisions, which hurts the plot, compared to Andor, where almost all characters make rational decisions, and the good guys are also doing shady stuff, even if it just hurts them deep inside to have to do so. If I were Ahsoka, I would've called Luke immediately once I learned of the two jedi having freed Morgan, so they could be taken care of quickly, instead Ahsoka taking her time, and trusting Sabine to help her out with anything more than unlocking the map, when she knows Sabine doesn't follow orders. Also, when Sabine had finished recovering in the hospital, I would've locked her up, and even had her stand trial, for her stealing the map, and losing it to the enemy, so she can learn that her actions have consequences.
@ncard00 To be fair it was a task Asohka would be equipped to handle. Granted I understand them not going the Luke route. Unfortunately a lot of Disney Star Wars rely on OG characters in cameos. Mandalorian was good on its own. Boba Fett was so bad they relied on Dinn again but also Bane. Kenobi was purely about OG characters ruined by Reva. Asohka already used Anakin.
I kinda feel bad for Shin. She got a raw deal. Her master lead her along his agenda, ordered her to do almost all the work, and then abandoned her on the Peridia wasteland. Then, Thrawn and Morgan that brought her to this, marooned her there. If she surrendered to Ahsoka and somehow got back to her galaxy, she is a criminal in the republic. She would be facing a lot of jail time for her actions. I can imagine her going back with Ahsoka and making a deal with the republic. She helps to defeat Thrawn in exchange for a pardon. I think she was too much in shock to consider all that in the moment right after the troopers abandoned her. I think her approaching the raiders at the end of episode 8 like she did was her trying to make the best of a terrible situation.
I'd still love to see Baylan and Shin in a tales of the jedi season, to learn more about their motivations, especially Shin's, if she's just following Baylan cause she was left all alone, and had nobody, or if she actually has some motivations herself, besides helping Baylan fullfill his goals.
Hot, doesn't talk much, hangs out with a middle aged man, calls him master... I mean that's one angry demographic won over already.
semi-jokes aside, she's coded ASD (focused on special interest, loyal, social deficits, low emotional affect), that's another demographic won over.
(calm down, I'm 50, and autistic)
She's iconic. Star Wars needed a new icon. Agree with most of the points in the video.
calm down, I'm 50, and autistic) 1973
I was hoping that was a full joke and not a semi because…yeah.
As a girl her age with autism I still have to get used to the rationale of the male demo liking her.
Jokes are lined with truth and it’s informed by simple objectification. It’s a neutral thing in media at this point and I’m not gonna be the finger wagging person saying you can’t find a character attractive, but it just feels so idk…unrewarding?
I have similar sentiments with any gender being simped to the point you feel like they just watch things to leer and the story doesn’t matter.
I love flawed and normal female characters that don’t dunk on being a woman and acting like a overpowered stoic blob that ‘takes care of business.’ Just trying to be adjacent with the men and put down other women for not being super badass like them. I notice that’s the way writers handle girls in recent times. It is patronizing. We don’t want to humiliate a woman on screen by seeing her fail or struggle. We don’t want to show her have a temper because jerks will call her annoying. She has to be perfect and empowering. In other words: boring.
People like her because she’s not boring and she has charisma and if the writers are doing their job there are proper stakes to make watching her intriguing.
Relating to characters goals, fears, failures, conflicts, choices, quirks etc are the trappings of liking a character in a meaningful way.
I'd much rather have a Shin Hati movie than see Rey Palpatine ever again
Totally agree
me to
Because she is earning her skill and Rey went from what's the force to master in 3seconds. I like Rey but they really should have developed her character more.
I agree with you 100% I have 3 videos planned on sequels characters and another one releasing tonight or tomorrow on Baylan Skoll. So stay tuned!
Even without the whole "Palpatine/Skywalker" finale, I think people didn't sit well with Rey because she WASN'T part of the Skywalker dynasty. Say what you will, but the entire franchise up until Rey showed up circled around Anakin & his children. If they made it so she was a bastard child of Luke or Leia due to some one-night-stand or even the offspring from Padme's body doubles, her immense power and natural skill would make sense because it keeps it within the family. The fact that she was supposedly a child from some "nobody" made it acceptable because that was still a possibility, because it had the possibility of being the offspring of some hiding Jedi. That too would mean it was connected to Anakin's past as a member of the Jedi Order. Simply put, Star Wars Fans wanted Luke's successor to be connected to the family history in some fashion. In the end, that's what we got, but the idea that she just so happened to be Palpatine's granddaughter truly felt like a cop-out excuse that didn't belong in the script.
Shin Hati, however, is not only brand new, but has the a Master who was a Jedi, embraces the Dark Side, uses a red(dish) saber, connects the show to the animated series (Clone Wars & Rebels) and uses both dark and light abilities with ease. She's basically what Ahsoka could have been if she had stayed, and fell along side with Anakin. That alone connects her more to the Skywalker family & to Ahsoka personally than Rey could offer.
Which is why Ahsoka should train Shin. It does ‘rhyme’ with Ahsokas story, she abandoned her master, now Baylan is abandoning Shin though I believe he’s protecting her in doing so. Nevertheless, it just makes sense.
Compare Rey's struggle with Luke's. Rey barely had to overcome anything relative to Luke. She just could use the force and a lightsaber because she's just "that good." It's not interesting. Luke... Wow... He went through a lot. He struggled. He overcame. He EARNED it. Rey - not nearly as much.
Yes! on all points especially Anakin being the core character of the entire saga. Leaving him out and having Rey be a Palpatine was what I call a betrayal of the audience and to the story overall.
@@drewhubbard9214 This clip basically summarizes everything abt your comment.
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Baylan and Shin remind me more of Qui gon and Obi Won. Shin shows respect to her teacher despite her apparent inner questioning of his motivation. That is respect. Rey showed reverence for no one really..
Shin Hati is a hottie. Simple.
Hottie Shin Hati!
That as well but she's mysterious and she, herself, is indecisive to be a Jedi or Sith.
People like Shin, because of the way she is written. Shin and Baylon are the most interesting characters on Ahsoka.
Shin says only few sentences in whole show and all of them are important and give us a lot of informations
Something I loved about both Shin and Baylen (and actually about the whole show) was that it felt almost like from legends. I can't tell why or how but every time they appeared on the screen i had that same feeling about SW as i had when i was reading Thrawns trilogy or New jedi order.
@@marty.m2933 yeah I got that vibe too I thoroughly enjoyed their characters. I’ve made many other videos like this one so if you want feel free to browse my channel.
The funny part with more fans apparently liking Shin over Rey, is that viewing nu.bers for Ahsoka aren't even really high. Conversely, the ST obviously played in theaters and such. Yet more people liking Shin points to a conclusion that very view people out of the much larger number of people seeing the ST liked Rey.
Yeah, but those fewer fans are all the more hardcore ones, compared to many casual fans watching the movies, so you can't take their opinion as seriously as the opinions of those who know star wars far better.
I think the key part of Shin's appeal is that we *don't* know who or what she is. The fans know who Ahsoka is, and that she's got impenetrable plot armor. Sabine the same (who apparently can't be killed with a lightsaber!), and Hera. There's no indication that we'll see any of these three do anything truly unexpected or self-destructive. But Shin is a complete unknown, and it can be hoped she'll have a good antagonist arc (a slender hope, given the quality of the writing, but some hope nontheless). She could become a true villain, she could turn, she could double-cross. She doesn't seem to be all in with Thrawn & the Pips, either.
IMO, she's got the best saber technique in the whole show, except maybe her master. That helps a lot too... ...if only lightsabers through the torso actually hurt people...
The moment I saw Shin in the first episode, I thought it was Darth Zannah...
The only difference being that she doesn't have a twin bladed lightsabre. If we saw her using Sith Sorcery, well...
I was thinking, Abeloth, and after seeing a fan edit of her turning into Abeloth, I'm even more convinced, with Baylan also standing by the statues of the Mortis gods at the end.
We like characters because they're in conflict with a villain, with the world, with themselves.
Anakin is amazing because we see the conflict within him. Superman is great, because there is conflict between him doing what's right and what he can. Kylo Ren is great because there is conflict withing him. Goku is great because he is constant conflict with people stronger than him.
Rey doesn't have conflict. Everything she does happens directly and without pushback. She beats her enemies without issues, masters the Force easily, performs engineering without a hitch, makes friends without effort. It's just not engaging to watch characters who don't have problems.
Hell, even Gojo (JJK) is in conflict with the world as he doesn't understand it because of his power. Rey could've gone down that road as well, at least.
Shin Hati fails. Her conflict is within herself and with heroes. She actually goes through a journey. Rey is in one.
Anakin is stupid and selfish, choosing one person over the entire galaxy, giving into those primitive humans emotions that are love, depending on outside infuence to be happy, and wanting justice in a broken system he can't fix, the republic and the jedi. He should've just left with Ahsoka and Padme to the outer rim, instead of both him and Padme being so naive, and thinking they were actually making a difference.
I can feel a force disturbance when even a game character got way more depth and development in 2 games than a main protagonist throughout 3 movies.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 this comment got me man.
Baylan and Shin were such a cool duo. Easily my favorite characters in the entire series.
She's the best character in the show. Everyone is bland but her. At the beginning wen she crouches and darts forward, she played that well. Best actress on the show for sure... She's actually interesting
shes not a mary sue and is more relatable. shes got that anakin-like conflict in her face
Because she's pretty. And she hasn't tried telling us how liberal she is yet.
Watching Baylan n Shin play throughout the series is so awesome too see bc of the dynamics and how a real master n their pupil are suppose to act.
Shin has so much potential. I pray we see more of her.
Did anyone else preorder her Black Series Figure?
By the way, Yes, you’re correct. Rey is NOT a Skywalker, she is a Palpatine. With that said, Palpatine defeated the Skywalkers. Sad but harsh truth.
Star wars has become more depressing.
stunning eyes and looks she throws, does not talk much but listens and obeys orders even if got her doubts, knows got flaws and works on them....and the actress is cute too although those moles all over her left side should be taken care of.... reminds me of ella newton, even if stoic and calm, doing nothing somehow achieves to be INTENSE and a scene stealer....
i) She's trained to earn her skill
ii) She's not yet as powerful as a full Jedi
It's simple why Shin is so much better than Rey, she is a well thought character and wasn't written to be a feminist icon.
Lol. You act like the last us a bad thing.
With the simple fact that she isn't a Mary sue.
shes more well received because shes not a mary sue. she didnt pick up her power at a 7/11 and became a master overnight. shes a regular padawan whos on a career change
Rey is a literal Mary Sue, she feels more like a blank slate character from a video game than an actual character. Bro they barely scratched the surface of Shin and Baylan and they are already a much more intriguing and compelling characters than probably pretty much anyone in the new trilogy. The impatient student and a malevolent master, these are great classic archetypes and they are delivered very well. Also Rey is a Karen, meanwhile Shin is an unstable goth gf which is just plain a superior combo.
Because she's not a mary sue she doesn't act like she can do everything nor can she while she is skilled she has been beaten and is flawed and struggles and tries, all of that makes her more relatable. You also question her dark side as she almost falls more into the realm of a grey jedi then an actual sith or dark sider.
Unlike Rey who can do anything at any time without rhyme or reason which makes it hard to relate to her as a character and it also makes her a mary sue who has no trouble or struggles and will defeat everything in her path first try because "reasons". That's bad character design.
Part of what made Luke such a great character was that he failed and he came back from it stronger and even anakin that literal chosen one of the force itself and the most powerful jedi with the greatest potential failed and didn't know how to do stuff.
I liked Rey for about 15 minutes when they introduced her.
I don't even remember if I liked her or not 😀
Shin also looks like Lana Beniko from SWTOR which is an extra win. Plus she is just cool, blonde edgy waifu, let's goooooo!
Honestly. Rey's such a low bar it isn't hard to be better than her.
Because she has a good master and not forcing her character
Bro I can tell you right now the reason she's so well received is because she's basically a Star Wars goth GF and you KNOW that that's like the zoomer Achillies heel (myself included to a degree).
I haven't watched the show, but I know I'm right.
Because Rey's characterization sucks more than a Saigon bar girl in 1969.
😂😂😂 that’s a great joke but call me an idiot I hope her character can be redeemed
Mysterious characters are always likeable due to the ability to theorize so much about them.
Rey doesn't even fight like a Jedi she fights like a Sith and she doesn't even act like a Jedi either I don't even know what she is
Something about her... she creeps me the fuck out. I like that.
And rey is a palpatine! New trilogy sucked so bad.
It’s because she doesn’t blink she just stares into your soul. 😂
random thought: if rey turned to the darkside and fully embrace Sidious legacy that could have been the greatest plot twist we could have seen and maybe a good villain for future film while not destroying everything of what have been done before, but yeah it make no sense and thanks i'm not a scenarist
Because she is not a Mary Sue
She doesn't need to speak in order to portray her character, she radiates subtle power, intrigue, poise, mystery, and unlike the Inquisitor in Kenobi, she can be vulnerable and question her master and Morgan's and Thrawn's motives. Her grim silence speaks volumes. Plus, neither her or Baylan wield the dark side throughout season 1. No yellow-red Sith eyes, no philosophizing about the dark side or anger and fear, no Force lightning, etc.
@@sithari518 I agree this video is really old I’ve since made better videos since then feel free to check them out.
She has a personality, her own goals, she has potential, a dope character design, and... yeah. Sums it up pretty well, I'd say.
like what? She's just emo, doing Baylan's bidding, and can't even beat Sabine due to stupid writing and plot armor, a quick force choke would end their fight quickly. Unless she becomes Abeloth or something, there's nothing inetersting about her.
Because Shin is an intriguing character who also doesn't succeed at everything she tries. She's basically a Dark Jedi Padawan who is uncertain about her future, but is still competent thanks to extensive training by her Master Baylan. She's not riding the Destiny Freeway that allows her to lift piles of boulders or shoot down transports with Force Lightning without even trying. Wherever she came from, she's clearly more concerned with her future than her past (e.g. no whining about her parents). We, the audience, have no idea what her future holds either because, again, she's not riding the Destiny Freeway. So we want to see what happens because she's interesting and her future is unclear.
Shin is awesome and just has this great stare, a great look. She is also fairly powerful and mysterious.
fans like her more than Ray because she Shin doesn't talk too much and knows her place. It also helps that she is more attractive than Ray
Except the thing with Anakin is that the entire Star Wars universe doesn't necessarily "revolve" around him or any decision that he makes per say nor should any vast fictional universe EVER revolve around just one character either for that matter. Also, even with his high midichlorian count and vast potential, Yoda still had *centuries* worth of knowledge and experience on young Skywalker so technically, Yoda was *still* far more powerful than Anakin and there have also been some Jedi out there have actually proven to be either on or even *above* Anakin's level as well so as powerful as Anakin was, he was never *that* powerful really.
Shin is morally grey trained by a master and is not at her full potential yet
Rey defeats Ren the first time she picks up a lightsaber uses the force like a master and had zero training this is why she isnt liked
Shin is for the most part a blank canvas, we don't really know much about her to hate plus side characters are not held to same scrutiny as main
I am curious myself to see where shin's character arc will go.
What helps about Shin is that the lady can actually act unlike Daisy Ridley. You also have Shin being vulnerable. She has flaws. Rey doesn’t display flaws. Which makes her an unbelievable and not someone that you can connect with. Also, one thing that hurt Rey was Kylo Ren. He was the one with the inner turmoil, he was the character that people could connect with
its odd that people forget it doesnt matter how good your idea is if the execution is terrible
Trust me, Sabine is not well received as a Jedi. It's a stupid retcon. She was enough as a mando. She didn't need the Force.
NOBODY ASKED
There is a teory that Shin Hati is the New Mara Jade
Shin Hati is perfect example of a very soft warm wifely
Just an example between many others, but the fact than Shin rely on Baylan and seeks advises and other things from him makes her character more real and genuine. It doesn't make her weak either, she's pretty bad-ass in her way, when she's fighting we understand that she has been trained very intensively.
Rey as you said never seems to struggle, she's just the best at anything she's doing, (the best mechanic, the best pilot, the best Jedi, etc...) her character feels too unrealistic, she doesn't have any flaws (which is highly improbable for a human).
And no, it's not just "because she's a girl" or anything like this, if she was a well written character thing would have been different.
And the character of Shin is another perfect argument to prove this.
Moar like Shin Hottie
If they try to make three more Rey movies I will serious have to intervene
Shin isnt a mary sue, Rey is.
Sucker punch girl is younger and cuter than Rey thats all.
Its a chick fight show and she fills the role of the little cute one.
Because Shin isn't a poorly written Mary Sue who's somehow "knows the Force" because 'ShE's a PalPaTiNe' (somehow). Shin has dimensions/layers to her character. Rey is a crappy "self-insert fanfiction" fantasy for a certain producer.
@@sonar357 I agree, I’ve made plenty of videos since this one talking in even deeper depth. Check some out if you’d like.
Shin Hati more like Shin Hottie🔥
Making a character struggle is not easy, the interesting aspect that "hooks" fans can be described as someone who is walking on a string, taking questionable decisions while trying to be truly good. That is what makes a rich and complex character.
Ray being a Skywalker because she FEELS that way reminds me of some certain ideology
Everytime Shin Hati is on the screen I'll play Sia songs everytime.
She's a side character nerfed by Baylan and she doesn't get to talk much. I sure hope the fragile egos don't fall apart over this one.
She's also a total babe
😂😂😂 If that’s the case I got a message for you in my second most recent video within the first 1 minute of the video.
Oh man; thanks for the laughs! That part about Rey making "three more movies"? That's gold, Jerry! Gold!
Shin’s a bad ass! No words need to be spoken. She’s true Sith and only the Sith deal in absolute.
Rey was arrogant, but didnt get punished for it. It wasnt shown as her critical flaw or anything.
Bad writing.
You're right. Luke became arrogant in episode 5 too. He tought with his minimum jedi training he could save his friends, but he was defeated by Vader, lost his hand and his friend was frozen into carbonita and delivered to another villain.
Shin Hati is trained for a long time already by a well respected Sith, She did not just pulled out everything from her "Magic". And even for the fact that being well trained she was still not above everything she faces. Her fight scenes feel more real because it feels like she is giving everything into it and not just facing issues and fights like walking into a park after all even being well trained she is still a rookie, and hence she is not invincible to Jedis with experience, hence unlike Rei she still could receive injuries or being defeated.
Shi also have a more likeable personality, Unlike All about myself Mary Sues she is not talking back and being respectfull to her superiors in command, even if she is pointing out a mistake to one his own superiors or intent talk to them in a more "inrespectfull" manner she is still watching not making it personal or not to use a very bad manner. Which is so far living up even against her own enemies.
And overall one of the most prominent difficulties beetwen the two is that Shin Hati has an inner struggle, She is not feeling herself better than the others and not runned by hate or a leading ideology. During the shown she asked Baylan I believe multiple times about "What would happen if we are achieving our goal? What change it would make?". She is following Baylan and the team out of respect and because he is her master, But she can't really see the goal the team is after, and as such she can't really place their actions as "good or bad" on the route. Which is visibly struggling her.
On the other hand Rey always felt herself above the others, more superior, more right. She never really struggled on moral rights, she was just doing what she wanted to, and always felt herself above the others.
I agree
I like the New Girl shin better than I like, Ray , I know why she was actually trained. And she's a bad a**, too, oh, not to mention she was trained!!!.lol
Good dialog along with originality and complexity. Ambition and skill through practice, i could go on....Thats the difference
'cause she as hot as melted iron, dude. No, wait. That's why _I_ like her. 😂
Nah, but seriously, most of Shin Hati and Baylan Skoll's appeal is the mistery. We don't know much about their quest through the entire season, and that draws a lot of attention.
There's also the actor's... well... acting. In a series with mostly poor writing and bad direction, those two played their characters perfectly. Everything, every gesture in Baylan's character says "agenda". Everything in Shin's character says "wounded warrior". And both characters are very much competent. Maybe Shin isn't as skilled as Ahsoka, but she's definitely good. And Baylan is a monster. (And he's also played almost as a "sorta-evil" knight. A perfect gentleman. Far from the clichés and pollitical innuendos Hollywood produces nowadays.)
Then there's also the context. They really shine in the mostly average production that is the Ahsoka series so far.
But the danger to all of this, is that revealing the mistery can end up proving disappointing if it doesn't live up to the hype. (That, and Ray Stevenson unfortunately passing away. 💔)
season 1 is over and Shin Hati is more well received by fans than Rey
Shin reminds me of a crazy bartender i dated back around 2001
I want to know more now I’m intrigued. 😂
@@Darth_Arashi her hair was a slightly more yellow blonde, but same haircut (without the little braid), she had a couple of tattoos and had a kid so she always had that bags under her eyes tired look. but wow was she fun on her nights off
cause she feels like a character for a start, full name, clearly trained for at least several years, not uber perfect at whatever she needs to do in the moment with no training
shes a logical extension to the lore rather than "lolz im here now"
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Because despite being fully trained she (Shin Hati) is not a Mary Sue?
I've nothing against the actress... the actress is great. it's about her character.
Rey seems to be the typical Mary Sue from a poor Star Trek fanfiction.
I agree
I am not going to waste my time watching more Rey movies
i dont think its that Rey didn't suffer. rather, it's because we didnt see her struggle too much internally with her morality. a hard life can very easily lead people down dark paths, but with Rey that never seemed possible. she was just too good, too pure
She looks relatable honestly doesn't just use force powers that takes people decades sometimes their entire life to figure out and treat it like it's nothing. Basically doesn't seem like a Mary Sue. Ahsoka is same way and why I like her over their mary sue.
Shin:
A trained "sith" padawan by an experienced Ex-Jedi master. You can believe she still have a long way to complete. (Old school training)😮
Rey:
One abandoned girl who dominates all Jedi Knight level skills at first try with zero/self training. Writters didn't know how to fix her broken power so you are forced to believe all she did was because she's a Palpatine 😂.
Because shin is hot
Can’t be the only reason. 😂😂
Couldn’t agree more with you here.
I’ve been through not having a father around, it is hard to accept your last name when your father isn’t around. So, somebody like me could actually relate to Rey in that manner. It takes a long time to accept a last name of someone who never cared about you. Her natural abilities relating to being a Palpatine make sense. From that perspective, I’ll admit I have no understanding of because I have no natural abilities whatsoever. However, in life I have seen many people who do. I guess I’m just defending Rey’s character for now. I have nothing against Shin’s. I’m excited to see her character development.
@@LifetimeBelowPoverty I understand man, check out all my other content as well. I’ve done way better explanations than I did here.
Interesting mystery and we know who trained her and she is not trying to BE anything or anyone beyond who she is. Great character we want to see more of and we know her future is still uncertain light, dark, grey etc..This is maybe what Rey should have been. Someone tell JJ and Kathleen K. this is how you write a new compelling character....
One of the big failings with Rey is that "You are whatever you say you are" silliness. You don't get to take the name of an established family you aren't part of unless they adopt you.
Rey was already disliked as a Mary Sue character, but this was a further woke insanity that viewers immediately rejected.
I don't know where they came up with the word, nor do I claim that the word actually originates from my country. But "Hati" in Indonesian language means "heart". Make that what you will.
She has training from a powerful Jedi, so it is believeable she can use a lightsaber and use the force with skill. Plus, she has those wild eyes!
Ray should have just stuck with Ray and not adopted the Skywalker name. I can see why she did not want to be a Palpatine. Plus Shin is way more of a badass than Ray could ever be.