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Gracie Vs. Kimura Mini-Documentary
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- Опубліковано 3 бер 2012
- See more at www.rootsoffight.com
This film pays tribute to the epic grappling match between Gracie family patriarch and father of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Helio Gracie and legendary Japanese judoka Masahiko Kimura on October 23rd 1951.
Prior to the match, Kimura, considered at the time to be the greatest judoka in the world, boasted that he would "finish the fight with the first grip." Kimura used his significant weight advantage to repeatedly throw the smaller Gracie, but could not finish him. In the thirteenth minute of the match, Kimura secured an ude garami shoulder lock. Gracie refused to submit but his corner, realizing the only possible outcome, threw in the towel and forfeited the match. Today, in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu the ude garami is simply known as the Kimura.
"He knew he was going to lose in front of his whole country, but he still engaged," says Rener Gracie. "And that's the definition of a warrior. That's the definition of a fighter. That's the definition of a modern-day samurai."
Roots of Fight commemorates Gracie vs. Kimura through the release of a short documentary with the story of the historic match recounted by Helio's grandson, Rener Gracie and footage of the match itself.
CORRECTIONS:
1. There were 20,000 occupants, NOT 200,000.
2. The weight difference was closer to 10 lbs, NOT 80 lbs:
Hélio was recorded as “6'0" and 176 pounds”
Kimura was “5'6" and approximately 185 pounds”
(Source: Jonathan Snowden, Total MMA)
3. The claim that “If Hélio could last 3 minutes without giving up, he should be declared the winner.” has never been verified as an actual quote of Kimura's.
Much love to Rener, but I prefer fact over embellishment.
darkominem they are clearly the same height in this video?
They dont talk about how Helio had brought a coffin in the stadium for Kimura though. So why did he bring a coffin for Kimura if he thought he was going to lose.
Why is it that even today the Gracies always refer to both Kimura and Maeda as Jui Jitsu fighters when it is undisputed that they were both Judokas from the Kodakan (i.e. the 'Mecca' of Judo in Japan). Yes, from 1882 to around the very ealry 1920's Judo was sometimes interchangeably termed as Kano Jiu Jitsu after its founder Jigoro Kano, but SINCE THEN HAS ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN AS JUDO. The ffectiveness of Judo from which BJJ originates, is so, so clear to see in the Hleio vs Kimura fight. If the fight ring floor was a real solid surface rather than a conveniently highly padded, soft surface, then Helio would have been TKO'd (or seriously maimed / killed!) in the first 30 seconds of this fight due to the throws of Kimura. Today, the Gracies (with the help of many others!) modified aspects of Kodakan Judo newaza to create what we know as BJJ today. BJJ, is a great, effective ground fighting sport/ martial art, no doubt about that. However it is disappointing and quite franky annoying that today the Gracies still push their "BJJ is superior to everything" propaganda and lack humilty, sincerity and ultimately respect for the true origins of modern BJJ.
why does rener keep on spreading such lies?
Great history and Awesome shirt! Love Roots of Fights!!
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Post 2 of 2 - Helio: If Kimura had continued to choke me, I would have died for sure. But since I didn't give up, Kimura let go of the choke and went into the next technique. Being released from the choke and the pain from the next technique revived me and I continued to fight. Kimura went to his grave without ever knowing the fact that I was finished. If possible, I wish I could have talked about the fight with him and let him know about it.
Source Kakuto Striking Spirit: Published May 1, 2002
Kimura was a Judo champion, the term Judo was widely accepted in Japan by then. There was also at this point not a "World Jiu Jitsu or Judo" championship anywhere in the world. Kimura was the All Japan Champion. He was about 5'6 and 85kg, and according to his memories of the fight, Helio was about 80kg. I would say about 15 lbs would have been the maximal difference. Judging from the video alone Helio looks to be about the same size as Royce who was about 170-180lbs.
Can we get some insight on Carlson Gracie in the next video? Perhaps maybe Vitor Belfort as well? I know he's not as high ranked as others but he is still very active today in the ring.
My guess is that it's because of the same reason that the Gracie's called their art JJ and not Gracie Judo.
Before the term Judo became as widely used as it is today, a lot of people referred to Kano's art as simply his style of JJ.
Either way Kimura, had his amazing Judo background. This man was built like a tree trunk. If you have ever tussled with a good Judoka, than you know these guys are very hard to move. Also Unlike what I could see from Gracie, Kimura branched out more, and was much more willing to learn and add new techniques. Even if that wasn't the reason of his victory, the experience was.
kimura was a judoka. helio fought to a draw with Kato, then cheated in a rematch which enraged Kimura, who proceeded to knock out Helio in 30 seconds, the fight continued with the punishment.
One other thing...the Gracies keep referring to Kimura as a 'jiu-jitsu' fighter - and that's sorta true, but not all styles of 'jiu-jitsu' are the same. What style did Kimura represent? Kano-ryu jujutsu - better known to the world as JUDO. It was the great Kimura-sensei, arguably the greatest JUDO practitioner who ever lived (and maybe 20 lbs heavier at most, not 80) who defeated Helio Gracie on that legendary night in Brazil. Let's be honest.
You can really see the resemblance between Helio and Ralek in the image at 0:06 seconds in.
@Sn9per also , Masahiko Kimura was a Judoka not a jiujitsu fighter .
None of the Gracies ever bring up how they were shitty to Oswaldo Fadda either, or how Helio was extremely misogynistic. I always want to bring this up to Rener on twitter, but I don't want criticize his grandfather to him.
1. 80lbs difference is bullshit.
2. kimura could have literally killed Gracie early in the fight but Gracie didn't tap out so kimura released him. So you would admire Gracie who didnt want to quit, but also kimura who didnt want to kill a man just so show how much better he was.
3. Kimura will never get a fair shout, even though we know he is the real legend. Quiet japanese man, he isn't going to have generations of japanese family spouting off on youtube and such. humble people.
if helio were in fact 80lbs lighter then he was heavy as a fucking 7th grader?
@disgustika well said
Umm. Helio admitted later that he actually passed out from being smothered in the first round, and that Kimura let him out. I am pretty sure he also lost in the first round and it didn't last ten minutes. Leave it to the Gracies to turn getting completely dominated into a marketing win.
80lbs, please! What a Gracie lie. Also, helio had a coffin for kimura brought in when he arrived so don't say he didn't think he would win.
it was actually 11 pounds. helio wayed 176 and kimura weighed 187.
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Even not knowing the facts, you can tell Kimura is more than 15lbs heavier. Look at their frames!
how do you know this?
Bas Rutten brought me here
Post 1 of 2 - Helio: ... I was taken into the ground, and I got choked at first. It was difficult to breathe. I felt it working enough so I was wondering if I should tap as I promised Carlos. Well, this is what I've never told anybody before. It seems I went unconscious while I was thinking about what to do [give up or not].
Source Kakuto Striking Spirit: Published May 1, 2002
If they were really so shitty to Oswaldo Fadda then why did Oswaldo's brother name his son after Helio? They might not have been firendly to begin with but from what I've read it sounds like they ended up respecting each other
maybe he meant to say 18
I don't like the fact that it's not mentioned that Helio Gracie specifically had set up heavy padding under floor so that he couldn't be knocked out by throws, I mean that's total bullshit and completely cheap, fight would've been won in less than a minute. And the 80 pound weight advantage, yeh, if you believe that than you shouldn't even have a say in this fight. Kimura was better than Helio in multiples.
@Sn9per lol they say 80 pounds cuz they wanna make an excuse to why a brasil guy lost to a japanese fighter
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(Ju)do, (Ju)jitsu... you must understand japanese a little to understand the answer to your question. "JU" means supple or soft, JITSU means art or science, DO means way of life (same character as the chinese Tao). All who practice Judo are studying Jujitsu. Judo was called Kano Jujitsu when it was founded and not referred to judo until after WW2. Judo is a combo of a handful of styles of jujitsu.
So he is very correct in calling him a jujitsu fighter.
Renner lied his ass off in this video
@osyfeet same XD
plus Kimura was a Judoka. On a second thought, in my experience at least in judo countires, jiu-jitsu fighter are almost always failed judokas. Nevertheless, Helio was a great one.
But 80 pounds sounds so dramatic.
Who would have wanted to watch Kimura fight Gracie if ,Kato had beatin him? When you are traveling the world challenging local fighters to make money. 2 fights are better than 1. Helio also wasn't the frail old man they pretend he was, there are lots of shots of him looking very fit with a lean muscular build. They act like he was as frail as Stephen Hawkings.
I hate the gracie mindset, always making excuses: He was 80 pounds heavier, his cornermen threw the towel, he knew he was going to lose, he was the real winner if he went more than 3 rounds. One of the reasons I refuse to study Gracie JJ is this superiority complex and exaggerations they have is so obvious. To the Gracies, everything ever existed is because of them.
What kills me about Renner and Helios side of the family is they don't practice the 12 commandments of BJJ, which was created by Carlos Gracie and is built from Japanese Values. Most important, always be humble, always celebrate in others victories, among many others. Renner is way too into the great Gracie's this and that, which goes against Carlos, who started BJJ after being taught by the Japanese Mitsuyo. Also if your all about warriors and champion's and proving Bjj, why don't you compete in any top competitions like some of the other Gracie's? Too proud to lose is my guess.
SAKURABA.
80 pounds my ass
the gracies love to play up there shit. no offense to the gracies, but they were simply an evolution of a style that was already in place.
gracies like to act like they invented modern day jiu jitsu. im sorry, you guys improved upon a system that had already been put in place...Japanese jitsu. and now we are seeing ggracie submissions fall out of favor among top fighters
the gracies cant accept this, they want to keep believing that gracie JJ will be the end all style of fighting for ever.
Gracie exaggeration as usual ...
Muhammad Ali brought me here..
if u do the math, that's roughly 40lbs, not 80lbs as Rener said. Petty exaggeration like this spoils the story. Helio's small frame and the 40 plus pounds difference were enough to prove how much of a man he was. Much respect for the Grand Master, Helio Gracie.