Historian Grills Destiny On His Politics And Process
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- Historian Dr David Miano grills Destiny on his information gathering process and politics...
Date: 11 Apr, 2022
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Strong recommend! I mostly watch for the debunks of all the BS lost technology/ancient aliens/spirit science channels. I have just as much fun watching him debunk those videos as I had watching them when I was younger.
Historically speaking...
Why is the rum always gone?
By-the-way liver is fucking delicious if you're not eating liver at least once a month you're missing out like let's not pretend like liver is the testicles or you know Cow asshole. Liver is good
Man, Woodysgamertag has really changed up his content since I last watched PKA
the face transplant didn't take to well after that paramotor accident
Ahhahah
Big ups pimps
RSK
I had a feeling DGG had some fellow PKA fans.
Good discussion. This guy asked Destiny really good questions
He even asked a question about asking questions 😳
This was a good look at "the man behind the curtain." A great explanation for his research process and thought process. Then an explanation on how people can fall into their own bias. This is the shit I signed up for.
"Historian Grills Destiny" We are uping our clickbaiting I see.
"Historian makes grilled cheese sandwich for Destiny". The click bait is blowing my mind.
"Historian CHOPS and SERVES up Destiny on a PLATTER" damn, August is really pushing it with the clickbait
It is pretty accurate though?
“Historian straps Destiny to a ROCKET and CATAPULTS him into the SUN”
@Tyler Jo why does he have a rocket on him if he is being catapulted?
HEY I LOVE THIS GUY its so weird seeing these two worlds collide what a crossover
Yeah same, the algorithm recently introduced me to his channel and he's great, really worth checking out!
Wait so we aren't arguing about trans athletes again?! I guess we've successfully beat that dead horse into oblivion
again
Thank fuck
@@oozePOP 20 times in like 2 months, same thing every time
It'll come back. Republicans are keeping trans people as part of their culture war and then we get bad leftie takes and the cycle never ends.
It's ironic because this will likely start it in the comments
I love this talk. Just a quick information packed talk where destiny doesn't have a complete understanding of the topics.
Stephen “It’s gonna depend” Bonell
OMG I was NOT expecting my favorite ancient aliens debunking archeologist to collab with Destiny of all people. I’m saving this for my commute tomorrow, I hope it’s good 😊
Have a great commute buddy :D
Your commute is going to be enjoyable :)
He debunks the ancient lost high technology crowd, interviews historians and archeologists, and makes videos on specific site, objects and events as well as the historical method. Super chill dude :)
He does that? Thatd be interesting I'll have to check that out. Also OP this conversation was nothing but pleasant, I think you'll enjoy
@@ecta9604 Sounds like soy to me.
I saw no "grilling" in this video August. Still great video as usual though.
I’m so mad that so many people kept me from watching Destiny. It’s so refreshing to see someone who’s thought procedure align with my own.
I LOVE this guy interviewing you, and love the conversation you’ve managed to establish out of his questions.
this was a really great convo! I will definitely check this guy out
Had subbed to world of antiquity a while back was glad to see this conversation. Went very well.
at 25:35 destiny explains exactly why I usually only watch his debates halfway through before I give up on learning anything and have to turn it off.
My favorite example of someone taking data from a study and reinterpreting it happened with destiny debating vegan gains. The paper claimed that a vegan diet showed no significant benefits over baseline but VG knew better because something something null something confidence interval.
Hahaha I remember that
Yeah "crossing the null" or whatever he was on about
That's why I hate when any sources call themselves "unbiased". That likely just means that they're blind to their biases and can't admit them.
That would only be true in the context of instinct. Implicit bias is impossible to avoid when you're being reactive. Implicit bias is "intuition" which happens in your brain before reason does. That said, a person can absolutely remove bias from their rationale. We can absolutely be objective in our analyses. It's also a good goal.
@@BiggestDataBoy "That said, a person can absolutely remove bias from their rationale. We can absolutely be objective in our analyses. It's also a good goal."
This is a bit of a misnomer. You cannot be "objective" in sense that you 'remove all forms of bias from your rationale'. You can be close to such a state but that aspect is something that is biased in and of itself. You would have to be truly "removed" from our observable reality to be 100% 'unbiased' or 'objective'.
If implicit bias is an intuition that happens before you can reasonably assess something, you cannot remove that bias because you base your reasoning off of that foundational aspect of your knowledge.
Banned
When a source labels themselves as unbiased it hopefully means they don't have an interest in the matter. If a crash happens and you witnessed it and were giving a description of events and you didn't know anyone involved in it you would be an (more) unbiased source vs those who were friends with either of those involved. That's why unbiased third party is a term often used. I understand this is often not the case for self described unbiased sources.
I think this cuts both ways. It's foolish to say you're unbiased, but I also think it's foolish to say that you're aware of all your biases.
My brother in Zeus you gotta come back shit’s getting weird over on the sub
Sussy korean youtube video
Great conversation, it's nice to be introduced to channels like his.
When Destiny talks about keeping the ideas away from your identity (play games not a 'gamer', play music, not a 'musician'), it feels like he's so close to demonstrating the issue with the wave of gender-identity stuff we've seen. These people have attached themselves to a theory that they will defend because they've attached their worth to an idea.
Very true
Whats wrong with that being your identity if thats your choice?
@@BenReillySpydr1962 Did you watch the video? Because Destiny clearly says a reason why.
It reminds me of a video I watched years ago that delved into arguing some religious people.
It said much the same when you attack thier beliefs they feel as if you are attacking them personally because they are so intertwined with their belief and manifestation of God.
Not all religious people feel this way but I think it demonstrates the merging of yourself with ideology and the defense mechanism that arise when that ideology is under scrutiny.
The funny thing is most of these people that identify as whatever are atheist themselves.
I noticed years ago during the "atheist plus" movement that dogma doesn't need to be tied to any gods to flourish.
@@Daniel-ih4zh Doesnt that depend on the category? What is an identity? What should be one? Should we have no identity at all?
Someone needs to educate this dude in how the pyramids were landing platforms for alien motherships.... sheesh I thought everybody knew
What's with the audio on this one?
Sounds very echo-y
More specifically it sounds good when the guy on the right talks but it sounds like Destiny's audio is doubled up.
The power-couple I never knew I needed, but holy shit why not. My two favorite youtubers.
I love the flat earth thing. I've used a similar argument irl. Although the world is obviously not a flat plane people have insanely strong emotional biases against flat earth. You would never expect it either. It's not really a contentious issue in our society.
It is though. It’s part of the way that people use the internet to create their own truths. And if everyone has their own truth. Then the actual truth means nothing
I genuinely believe that Flat Earth is just a representation of the enemy. It'll take gives people an excuse to be smug and Superior even though they might not have any other sort of accolades or Bona fides in any other part of their lives. It's like a I may be a dumb assholes who barely graduated high school but at least I can make fun of those flat earthers
if you were into this talk, eristocracy did a good interview with this guy a while back. she is a fair bit more engaged with historical topics than destiny so they were able to get a bit more into specifics about history than in this conversation iirc.
Thank you
Can't find anything on UA-cam, you have a link or something?
@@tarkus9820 ua-cam.com/video/5ck9Dca3_IU/v-deo.html
@@tarkus9820 I just typed in Eristocracy Dr. David Miano on the search and it came up
Really enjoyed this conversation when it took place, glad it finally got an upload. WoA asks really great questions and I always appreciate a fruitful discussion with an educated individual.
I started watching World of Antiquity and it’s scratching my Lindybeige itch.
Ooooh 2 of my favorite content creators
This is how I first heard of Destiny but on the World of Antiquity channel
Fun conversation - extremely leading questions the way they were formulated, but still, fun.
The title: Destiny gets GRILLED...
Me: Ah ok so an amicable conversation.
Steve just jumps around like it's minecraft sometimes 😅
17:18 Extremely important question and the best answer to it. Jordan Peterson calls this being ideologically possessed. It is one of the worst things you can allow happen to you as a human being.
The saddest and most ironic thing about this topic is that Peterson himself is ideologically possessed.
@@MemaK124 Haha that's true. One of the things that drove me away from his content.
@Sam Farza Homie he thought putting a plus sized model on Sports illustrated was "Authoritarian Tolerance". He's just dogmatically anti-whatever he perceives as "woke". Also you can have a ridiculous ideology and still have "cordial conversations" and be "friendly" with people. I don't really understand what you're trying to get at there.
@Sam Farza You can have friendly conversations with people you disagree with and be ideologically possessed at the same time. Being ideologically blind is about an inability to process and engage with information about a given subject honestly. Doing so would fundamentally bring the possessed's worldview into question, something which is very uncomfortable and hard to do.
Just watch some of Peterson's PragerU videos and tell he isn't possessed by the ideology of the status quo and personal responsibility in its purest form. His distilled claim is basically give up on trying to change the system, instead focus on tangible changes in your personal life - set your life in order, clean your room etc. Only once you've overcome your personal chaos, can you turn your eye to society's problems. Which is great advice for some people but becomes laughable if you take a more systemic approach. Imagine saying this during slavery in the US or the women's suffrage movement. "Set your life in order first, then try to change society" But what if your life is in disorder exactly because of society and its systems of oppression? Personal responsibility can only go so far.
Another example is his total disdain for Postmodern Neo-Marxist (whatever that means lol). He almost never engages with this subject honestly or competently. Peterson clearly hasn't read Marx besides The Communist Manifesto, which is a pamphlet not an academic text. He doesn't understand Foucault and Derrida. He constantly spouts conspiracy theories about covert Marxists turning into postmodernists and the Frankfurt school etc. These examples create two possibilities - either Peterson is ideologically motivated to misrepresent/not engage with these ideas or he is just stupid. I think the former is more likely. Peterson has a PhD after all.
@@MemaK124 nah
Amazing crossover
This guy picked some great questions!
22:27 On the “we were kings” afrocentric view of history, Its very prominent on History UA-cam Comments. I will say while there is some merit, like Nubian Kings ruled Egypt for many years. Egyptians in general are more middle eastern looking according to roman depictions of Egyptians. Afrocentrist historians go way overboard and actually end up appropriating other cultures like native Americans.
Yeah afro centrist (in america it's mostly hotepian) do exist more on the conspiracy side of history than the reality side.
They are literally just like the ancient alien theorist/historic occultists. I stumbled across a youtube channel that has a large following and talks about the secret history of "insert race" and how they really spawned from golden haired gods than ran atlantis. The niddy gritty of his belief sounds almost identical to the yakub stuff I heard from people in my old neighborhood.
Its not prominent at all. I see We Wuz Kangz more than that. Its on videos about African history in general. Also Egypt was ruled over Nubia for like 500 years Egyptians and Nubians mixed quite heavily in the South. They were priests and nobles and even a elite force called the medjay. Egypt is on a north south gradient.
Great point about this vid to that was talked about is to research both sides of a talking point and seeing if it’s strong and for different stances to be supported too if they stand with you’re personal views even if it is unpopular with you’re group/people.
I can't tell if this is one of the most fascinating and awesome interviews I've ever seen Steven do or if I'm just way higher than I thought.
Everytime i listen to him calmly talk to an educated person while stoned I feel like I'm discovering the holy grail
The wildlife in Elden Ring is the most deadly foe.
the title is not even an exaggeration, its flat out fake lol
More of this please this is so soothing
Destiny is who Dave Rubin and Tim Pool could only dream of becoming. Man is consistent with his positions and yet is fair with his understanding of those he holds biases against. Man doesn’t go cons just cuz ppl call him fashy or right wing. How refreshing. Steven Bonnell is a rare gem 😁 I simp
What is it that Tim pool and Dave Rubin want to be
wow great video steven 💙 proud of ya
Subbed to World of Antiquity, seems like a cool guy
I would like to hear his thoughts on Gobekli Tepe. A megalithic structure 6000 years older than Stonehenge that adequately challenges the current theory of human civilization history.
44:57 Lmao Nice
I think everything depends.
“Be aware of your biases” destiny
“All doctor Malone did was write a book report” also destiny lol
HOLY SHIT, I LOVE this crossover
great chat!
My source is that i made it the fuck up! Gigachad
Great questions.
This guy was great
Learning from the past sometimes becomes a playbook.
I think this guy was referring to Graham Hancock when talking about people who say archeologists are preserving current teachings due to the need for power
This guy is pretty cool
can someone link the timestamps where this guy "grills destiny"?
Have you not noticed that nearly every single title is hyperbolic?
I just don't really see how destiny's engagement with information is fundamentally different than what he's describing as passive learning or how his platform is any different than edutainment.. how is it possible to be actively learning when you're discussing a new topic every two weeks?
refreshing. nice guy thanks.
What a delightful conversation.
A linguist recently said, "someone needs to teach him that "super" does not mean "very"
Oh shoot I went to scf that's wild and I don't remember him when I was there.
48:00 i think that when someone semplifies something to someone else who knows more on that subject the semplification can pass as a bit 'misleading' for lack of a better term, like something's missing that can bring misunderstanding
If you want to understand stats for research papers look into what a power analysis is and what p values mean and what a false discovery rate is. Most of the other stats stuff is insanely hard and probably not worth it.
Can you review rose wrists video on Lauren Southern
Was this already uploaded once? Am I tripping
I've never seen it before and I've been following for a while
Destiny bestowing wisdom like a level-11 bard.
Destiny talking about all meat diets and how you have to eat other cuts like liver
Liver king: 👍💪
Attorney Tomstiny over here;
"It depends"
I feel like I have seen this whole convo before.
Destiny has asked several people if they've ever heard of a Just So Story, and no one's ever heard of them. I find that both amazing and sad.
Seems this guy knows what they are, but not the name.
@@sedftnio Yeah, but I would expect anyone who's gone to college to have read the Just So Stories. Or at least heard of it enough to immediately recognize the phrase. Maybe I'm just dating myself. 🤷
@@kevindavis3234 Why would every college student have read Kipling? Every English major, maybe.
@@axoltl1 I don't know. I might be totally wrong on this. I guess I have this list in my head of "essential" books that just about everyone has read - or at least heard of and maybe planned on reading someday. I think Kipling's big three (Kim, The Jungle Book, and Just So Stories) are probably on that list. Or at least two of them.
But, again, my perception might not match reality. 🤷
Destiny is the only person I know who uses this phrase to describe the concept.
Not sure I understand this distain for Rogan, lol. I know he doesn’t get everything right but his podcast as exposed the world to a lot of great things. That’s how I first learned about Jamal Kashoggi, The info behind the algorithm, the true tragedy occurring in N. Korea. I feel like he at least goes into things in good faith if nothing else. Adults should do their own research after he presents it.
Destiny can be contrarian a lot. Bashing famous people automatically. Like rogan or peterson
@@cosettapessa6417 - Ah gotcha - that makes sense
Wisecrack explained what Rogan is.
Ill give it a shot. I don't subscribe to this theory but I think I understand the reasonable version of why rogan ought be considered a problem.
What you say is largely true. Over the years Rogan has brought a ton of people on from all walks of life and barring the topics he feels very strongly on like marijuana or mma/sports he will approach the topic very openly, and doesn't try to fight his guests on all too many issues. Because he treats these guests largely the same it can give the illusion that the guests are similarly reasonable. If the listeners are approaching the content non critically, and feel the guests are similarly reasonable they are then vulnerable to the bad ideas of some of his guests, and rogan by not pushing back and platforming these ideas, he is viewed as tacitly endorsing them.
Additionally the anti rogan sentiment is largely correct when saying the deplatforming of extremism makes it harder for those bad ideas to spread.
Unfortunately its not clear what happens to an bad ideology left devoid of its access to new people. Why hold moderate positions that could be appealing to someone not within your fold, if you cant reach those people any more.
@@BenReillySpydr1962 I just watched the video but I found his point about contradictions disingenuous. Things were changing daily in regard to the pandemic and as we learned more he adjusts. That’s one of the things I like about him, he’s willing to challenge his own ideas and reach his own conclusion and expose people to different ideas.
He’s also way over analyzing it. I watch the show because he’s approaching things with and often has entertaining and/or interesting guests on. That’s also why the other ppl I know watch it. Not just bc he’s “anti-establishment”. I really don’t care about that part. He’s just searching for some sort of truth is a sea of bullshit - is it perfect, no but the that’s not the point.
I also read a few to the top comments and they make good points about other ways the guy doing the video was incorrect or misunderstanding.
Frankly, I’ve been watching the show for years and I’m a fan of comedy. It’s quite clear “Wisecrack” reached his conclusion based on the articles he’s read and not approaching it objectivity.
i made a whole buisness site with SSL ceritificate and domain for one LIGMA jok once but it was glorious.
Any1 can give me the time stamp for when they talk about “were ancient Egyptians black?”
Around 23:00 though they dont actually anwser it. The anwser is some of them.
LOL. You are almost exactly like me Destiny. I also genuinely want and try as hard as I can to be correct about every single thing that has any meaning or value. What I don't want to be right on is useless stuff like when was some historical person born. There is far too much information of that sort in the world and it simply doesn't do any good to anyone.
When did this happen??
First week of april i think
11th of April
idk if august still edits these but destiny's audio is a bit janky and cam quality low
Bruh, that dude totally be lookin like Adam Sandler.
Best video in a loooooong while 👍👍👍👍👍
wait, so wikipedia articles are not enough?
wow. what a nice cute conversation that wasn't interrupted by mr. girl's stupidity. nice
no bloodsport :(
look mr. so-called "historian" i've WATCHED Stargate. i know some shit.
Take a shot everytime you hear "It Depends." Let me know when you wake up.
I remember seeing this guy in a Mr. Beat video (Yes BEAT, not Beast). Strange crossover but good stuff!
Im a big fan of Mr. Beat too
@@steveng6704 Good! He makes good stuff.
beware scam title, no grilling took place in this video X:
You should talk to Mr Beat!
What's with your echo?
Guestiny
Is Destiny actually playing that in the background?? I can't even talk unintelligibly while gaming. The second something challenging happens I just stop mid sentence.
Content still really good but these titles and the into part of the video is just a crazy wrong way to put the conversation.
Those were softball questions Shirley
This guy sounds so much like Adam Savage from mythbusters
I’ll debate destiny that morality is objective.
obamna
@@atriiio4244 LULW HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA MY FUCKING SIDES
@@atriiio4244 solid take
morality itself is objeective or that there are objective moralities?
Platonic, deontological or teleological?
"grills" ?
i turned the video on and the first thing i see are 2 destinys
Anyone hearing an echo?
I got really excited to see his channel since I love history but he is just a tiktoker who is debunking other tiktokers. Really disappointed
It looks like mr beast stayed in school 😂
Where is my GOD!!!! DESTINY?!?!