Hey guys, i got the drain soul info wrong on this one. U pull ur pet back so improved soul drain triggers, not missing out on a soul shard. Sorry about that, misread during my research.
But that's the least of the problems this guide has, as warlock pets and respective leveling strategies turned out to be completely wrong on private servers. So much so people are now pushing for succubus/imp as your leveling pet
Putting 4/5 into improved corruption is actually pretty awesome in pvp because people think you’re casting fear - but it’s not and it goes so fast that people always miss their kick or silence and waste their cooldown
His Voidwalker juggling of 3 mobs tactic is also pretty wrong. He obviously does not do that. He would be out of mana and the VW would lose threat pretty fast.
@@Steve-kn2dd And also if killing same lvl mobs the void can lose hp or die fast, even chainpulling single mobs cant give him enough time to regen and then must heal him constantly.
this video is based on information from private servers which was discovered to be completely wrong in beta. build is not going to work, same with strategies etc.
It's because he is so misinformed when it comes to this class, it makes me cringe everytime he gives bad info in his vids, sad part is the brainless masses take that misinformation and don't think twice.
Just started your vid and already am disliking what you are showing. Drain soul is usless while leveling. But even more Void Walker cannot hold aggro like it does on Private as it does 75% less damage. You will die often if you try for the build you showed. Try Dive's Drain tanking or Staysafe's builds.
It's funny to see a voidwalker keep aggro from 4 dots+wand or even on 2 mobs with 2 siphon lifes lol, that was definitely not the case in Vanilla. So many people are going for Demo/DS in their leveling spec ignoring Dark Pact because content creaters tell them to, it's hilarious how awful that advice is.
Was looking for this comment cause I knew something was off. The dive tanking guide looked really good. Not trusting this youtuber from what I have seen on his videos
What's the point of Drain tanking if you have to drink every few mobs. Did you watch the speed runs with people who used it? I'll go with VW if I see that it can't hold agro at all I will switch to succubus + wanding. Specing drain life before at least 30 or more like 38 makes no sense
you do, just not for the reason he said. while you will get a soul shard just for having it active.getting the killing blow with DS is still important to trigger your improved drain soul talent and get that 100% mana regen to maintain sustainability
improved drain soul sucks. have fun deleting soul shards from your bag one by one for eternity lulz. locks are plenty mana efficient with a decent wand and improved life tap
There's a good argument that the drain soul talent simply isn't worth it. The effect only lasts 10 second, and casting drain soul triggers the 5 second rule, so for the half of the duration you just get your normal mana regen just like if you wanded the mob to death, so you're left with another 5 seconds of double mana regen. Which isn't bad, I'll admit, but probably not worth the 2 talent points, especially since warlocks are very sustainable anyway.
Great video dude! 10:30 I recommend the Nercosis warlock add-on. You can have that alert you when you enter shadow trance. Plus it's just a great add-on over all, with a lot of cool little features for warlocks.
Void walker leveling is a private server thing. A lot of things wrong with this video to name them all that comes from the private server scene. I would recommend you do more research before putting out a guide like this. Look up Dives leveling guide and even staysafe has a decent warlock guide for using the imp. Unfortunately, people will be surprised how bad the void walker is during launch.
I don't think that was even a private server thing, I leveled a lock in lightshope and iirc as long as the mob had the drain soul dot on it when it died, I would get a ss.
Voidwalker is significantly weaker on Classic than it is on Private Servers, primarily because it does significantly less damage in Classic, meaning the threat it generates is less, thus limiting the amount of damage you can do before you end up just tanking the mob yourself while your pet hits it like a wet noodles. The consensus is starting to shift to just use your Imp until you get the Succubus with her spells disabled and just Drain (Life) Tank as it ends up being way more efficent than using void walker as you end up having a lot less downtime in the long run, and you're not having to constantly just stand around and do nothing while your pet generates enough threat to actually contribute. Dive (well known Private Server warlock, and one of the folks who does a lot of the theory crafting on the Classic Warlock Discord) made a reddit post during the Classic BETA regarding this, I strongly suggest people check it out, while void walker still works, it is no longer the defacto choice for leveling. If you search "Reddit Dive Drain Tanking Classc" it should be the top result.
@@zepho100 Yeah, Nylo linked the guide and the talents are in there but at any rate, there's two schools of thought with a little aside for optional stuff. Primarily you either take Improved Imp early and take an early respec (around level 24ish) or you skip it entierly and just rush straight into your main leveling build. Eitherway, the recommended path is to stay almost exclusively in Affliction till you get Dark Pact and use your succubus (with auto-casts turn off) as a mana battery, meaning you have less downtime drinking for mana, because you can just Tap + Drain life + Steal your pets mana to sustain yourself. I strongly, strongly, suggest you read Dive's thoughts on it, and make the decision yourself as to how exactly you want to go about it, but the talents I use based off the talents recommended in the guide are (Roughly) as follows: *_With Improved Imp:_* Improved Corruption 2/5> Improved Imp 3/3 > Improved Corruption 5/5 > Suppression 3/5 > Improved Lifetap 2/2 > Improved Healthstone 2/2 or Demonic Embrace 2/5 > Respec *_Without Imp (Or after respec):_* Improved Corruption 5/5 > Suppression 3/5 > Improved Life Tap 2/2 > Fel Concentration 5/5 (Reduces pushback during Drain Life) > Grim Reach 2/2 > Amplify Curse > Improved Drain Life 2/5 > Siphon Life 1/1 > Improved Drain Life 5/5 > Curse of Exhaustion 1/1 or Nightfall 1/2, your choice you need an extra point somewhere, I take Exhaustion > Shadow Mastery 5/5 > Dark Pact 1/1 > (Optional, but strongly recommended) Improved Healthstone 2/2 > (Optional, but strongly recommended) Demonic Embrace 5/5 *_and from this point forth the talents don't have an incredibly large impact on the general efficency of the build, so it's entirely up to you where you spend the rest of your points, I personally go_* 2/2 Nightfall > 4/5 Fel Intellect (so my Succubus has more mana for me to steal) > Fel Domination > 5/5 Fel Intellect > 4/4 Improved Curse of Exhaustion > Improved Curse of Agony 1/3 (But you're 60 here, so you just respec to your level 60 Spec) *_Alternatively you can go_* Cataclysm 5/5 > Bane 5/5 > Shadowburn 1/1 > Nightfall 2/2 (and again you're 60, so you can just go respec to your 60 spec) *_Or just about any other combination, it's entirely at your discretion, shadowburn can be useful for PvP engagements as it gives this build a little bit of burst it otherwise lacks, but Fel Domination gives you quick access to your Void Walker for Sacrifice for much of the same reason of making you harder to kill in PvP, but still has uses in general questing allowing you to shield yourself and escape a hairy situation and an otherwise rather long, umounted run back to your corpse that's quite common in the higher level zones._*
I main warlock back in wow vanilla and this was the build I used, and it was because I quickly found that the Voidwalker was useless at tanking. As soon as you did some dmg, you ended up tanking instead so I was forced to spec into drain life just to survive. But as a good benefit, you dont have to hold back. Open up with Agony, Corruption, Immolate and drain life. By the time the dots run low or out, the mob is dead, you have almost full HP, half mana bar. You life-tap 2x and moved on. If HP gets too low, bandage up and move on.
Bro. Pretty sure the Drain Soul Talent to get crazy regen is what requires the killing blow. The soul shard is 100% as long as it dies while you are channeling. Otherwise decent vid!
Usually love your videos Chunk...but this is not a rly good guide for warlock sorry. This is too much from a private server POV. You have 4 days to make it right! Make it 3 videos!
yeah Kargoz videos are also made from a private server pov and that's why all his videos that he put a lot of time doing should be remade but he won't do that, people who have adapted their guides for classic knows their stuff and that's why all Kargoz's guides need to be criticized because many of them rely on private server bugs
I did a respec at level 36 to try and follow this and my survivability went out the window. I followed the order suggested in the video and would really recommend putting points in demo first. I would pump up demonic embrace and improved voidwalker first and then go back into affliction. This way your vw wont lose threat as often with all the dots you are putting on your targets. Aside from that, love the build so far.
Is it just me or does the voidwalker never aggro like it does in this video. I switched to succubus because I would get aggro for just putting 2 DoTs on a mob...
yeah VW taunt is pretty weak, and warlocks dont even cause much threat... imo let ur voidwalker get a few hits... apply dots between first and second taunt, then life tap, drain life or whatever you do
Anyone using this to prep for BC as Horde with a new Lock, here is a friendly reminder that Blood Fury Orc racial changes to cover spells as well as melee when Burning Crusade launches. Be sure to consider this change when choosing your path if you feel it is for you.
@@WayneRogersOutdoors Yeah, I think the mix up is improved drain soul -- if the pet gets the blow, you don't get the mana regen boost. Poop talent if you ask me anyway.
@@zepho100 Its pretty decent, 100% increased mana regeneration for the duration. Its equivalent to using 1 more dot every mob. obviously its down to how much spirit you got.
I wish I could make up my mind. Do I level a hunter again and relive my first WoW experience? Alliance locks seem a bit weak due to WotF, but they still look fun. Maybe a rogue. Maybe a mage. Maybe a paladin, actually. Maybe I should quit my job and move back into my parents' basement.
With my experience, Blackbone Wand will stay with you for a very long time. Since it's shadow damage, all of the Shadow Wrath equipment you carry will add to it as well.
If you are trying to figure our how he put the keybinds for his Attack/Follow commands for his pet it goes as follows: On the KeyBindings Menu: For Pet Attack go to Targeting and set the tab for Pet Attack to the Mouse Wheel Up. For Pet Follow: There is NO tab that actually says, "Pet Follow". Go to the first Action Tab and look for Pet Action Button 2. Setting this tab to Mouse Wheel Down will command your pet to Follow. This rose my blood pressure a bit trying to figure this out.
Dude youre warlocking wrong. 1. No demon armor up. Lost health gain. 2. Full health and low mana. Lost health gain from both demon armor and siphon life. 3. Casting shadowbolt ever. Not mana cost efficient. 4. Improved drain soul. On average youre not going to use more than 2-3 shards per hour while leveling, anything more is just wasted bagspace and you will in the long run be wasting hours destroying shards. And now were on the topic of soulshards, dump the shard bag. That bagslot could be a mooncloth bag with 16 slots. Manage your shards right and they will never take up more than 2-3 bagspace. Every warlock in vanilla knew this. Its like page 1 out of the warlock playbook.
For improved drain soul killing blow proc I wouldn't use a /follow macro. Better to just get a habit of manually hit follow if the pet is attacking your drain soul target. Reason is if you are doing a multi mob pull. If the pet is attacking a different target it will stop that once you drain soul on the target it wasn't even attacking in the first place if drain soul also trigger /follow. Guess you can have two keybinds for drain soul to counter this, one normal and one macro but seems a hassle. It's not hard to just manually /follow or send pet to another target before you are about to drain soul.
I’d also say in a PvP server, you are going to find more benefit in utilizing life drain over your wand, especially at higher levels. Utilizing drain life is pretty much the same speed as using the wand, but keeps you at full life and mana, you also save time having to not bandage. The build highlighted is definitely focused on some one off beneficial scenarios, but for overall more speed, doing 5/5 supp and 5/5 improved DL over Drain Soul and fel intellect 5/5 is gonna give you more results. If you are leveling your warlock to 60 as a second character, it’s also worth investing in the Shadoweave set from Shadow tailoring which will also stack on your Drain Life, making it far superior to wanting as well. Otherwise this is a very helpful guide about some of the great nuances of the warlock.
Yo man, this guide isn't worth the time mainly because the Voidwalker doesn't hold agro in classic compared to Pservers. Check out Dives drain tanking guide using the succubus cause it will be a better leveling build and more fun. Also join the classic wow discord, lots of great info there!
Here is the issue with Orc Vs Undead. Undead has higher base INT which is nice but what really matters is in PVE in Dungeons/Raids many bosses have some kind of fear which can be negated by WOTF which means lots of time an Orc Warlock is feared the Undead Warlock can turn around and do Damage. Stuns are also an issue in Raids but most if played correctly can be avoided and your 25% stun isn't going to be a huge factor. In PVP I think its no contest though, screw rogues. Plus Horde Warlocks are bigger since Alliance Lacks WOTF.
Instead of using 2 binds for "pet attack" and "follow" use this macro: /petfollow [@pettarget,exists] /petattack [@pettarget,noexists] END Press it once and it will send your pet to attack your current target. Click it again to make it follow you, or alternatively, send it to a new target that you are currently targeting. Tested it on the stress server, should work come live classic.
Sorry, but I've mained a warlock since 2004, & Drain Soul doesn't care at all who or what gets the killing blow. If I'm draining soul when the mob dies, I get a soul shard, period, no exceptions. Further, Improved Drain Soul is completely irrelevant to this issue, as I am always 0/2 in that talent -- I don't use it at all -- and what I said before is still true. (And yes, I do have a 60 warlock in Classic, so this isn't just a misremembered long ago past.) This is just some incorrect warlock mythology. I don't mean to be rude, but it's just wrong.
I highly recommend not going straight for shadow master because you will sacrifice way too much survivaibility and as you mentioned locks dont have much defense/escape early on especially if not orc. You should start by picking up improved corruption, suppression amplify curse and improved life tap (8-11 points depending on preference). then switching over to demo picking up improved HP, health stone, void sac, fel dom, and master summoner (17 points). After master summoner you go back to affliction tree picking up the rest of your important talents and getting shadow mastery. The reason for this is that getting shadow mastery early and talents like improved CoA don't scale as well be cause you have low level abilities. Getting all the survival talents and having master summoner at level 37 is huge in your defense and lasts all the way to 60. if you do it the other way and get SM first then you get your best defense skill at level 56 and use it for only 4 levels before respeccing. Also when you delay the SM talent you will end up getting it right around the time you start collecting spell damage gear (lvl 51-56) and it scale with your high ranking spells
Alliance warlock looks like the opposit of fun in pvp. Same could be said about priest I guess. Shamans and billions of undead on horde side gonna make ur fear look useless.
I love your video's, with that said, Life drain is the worst thing you can use for leveling, it's so slow at killing, Use SB/WAND. Also, Siphon life is a waste of time. Easier to dot dot SB wand wand, Lifetap when you need Mana. Never be at full health, if your at full health, your doing something wrong!
This is wrong, drain life at rank 4+ which is unlocked at 38 is significantly stronger than wands. Siphon life being bad is also misinformation, on short fights it is less effective but longer fights 18+ seconds it is very strong as life=mana as a warlock and more mana=more combat uptime. There's plenty of research on both these.
Would recommend anyone playing warlock to check out drain tanking and whatever else is available on erik the warlocks channel. He could use a popularity bump.
Choosing a race based on the racial skills is one of the worst mistakes you can make. Only recommended for the hardcore min-maxers and people who dont give a damn about looks.
Yeah, I know orc is just better with their stun resist, but I just can't stand the looks of orcs. My first character I originally made in vanilla back in 2005 was undead, and my main has ever since been undead, so without question I'm definitely going undead again. And yeah like you said, racial skills will hardly matter to casual gamers, like I'm not planning on going for r14. I love the look of gear and seeing it on my character, one of the reasons I always hated gnome, because you need to either have your camera really zoomed in to see your gear or zoomed out and your gnome would look like a little ant on your screen.
@@Xanthira222 if you like the looks, go for it. but if not, you will just suffer. and then you say, well at least I have my stun resistence, only to find out you still get owned by dudes who just have better gear and skill then you. "But at the same gear.." you say? Well have fun waiting for that situation.
I normally like your videos but here your in very deep water. The info you provide is straight out not accurate. It's based on private servers which has been proven not working in classic. You should take the video down, make new research based on classic, and upload a new video
Just adding to what others have already said. Based on the beta, Voidwalker is NOT the pet to use for leveling like on private servers. It is unable to generate more threat than you so it will constantly lose aggro. Use Succubus ASAP and spec for Drain Tanking (also Imp potentially has more DPS so it might be the more viable option for speed levelers). This is the current theorized meta for Classic Warlock leveling. You have wonderful content, but the game is not yet out and new things are constantly being discovered that change aspects of every class. As a content creator I think it would be far more valuable to hold off on making guides until the game is out and its meta is formed. Your content is good, you don't need to be the "first" to get views. Be the most accurate, the community will appreciate you more for it.
@@mikekelly1957 I'm no Lock guru but dont really think the timing matters. Its more a case of whether your pet has enough aggro on the mobs or not. If you using void and give him enough time to round up 3+ mobs and get hes aoe taunt off once or twice u should be ok i think. Single target obviously no issue, SL to ur hearts content :) What some other players also mentioned about the void not being that great for vanilla leveling and rather taking other pet for dps it would also play a role in SL as u might get healing aggro sooner if not using void. Just something to bear in mind. I dont really care that much as I will just dot the S##t out of everything and hope to see another day LOL
If you want to level Warlock like a beast, you spec drain tank build. Hands down it's the most efficient way to level, zero downtime once you get dark pact. Use succubus instead of void Walker, she'll save your life from those pesky rogue gankers and she does decent damage.
Awesome bro! Both videos, I’ve leveled to 60 twice on Elysium and lightshope with a priest, loved playing shadow but it’s like a ret pally coming to a raid. Decided I would level a warlock first and your two videos are everything I need, you defiantly did the Vanilla community a solid 🤙 thank you!
Why not get corruption and lifetap, then go down the demo tree to get DS, then you don't have to worry about pet in dungeons and groups Void will also do more damage and have better threat
at 7:45 you mention as a warlock if your pet gets last hit while draining soul you WILL NOT get a soul shard. and this is not true. for Drain Soul the target just needs to die while you are conencted with the spell drain soul and you WILL be rewarded a soulshard every single time. BUT if you have the talent "Improved drain soul" in the Affliction spec, you DO require to have the last hit via DoT, or direct dmg. but if your pet DOES get the last hit you WILL get a soulshard but you WILL NOT get the "Improved Drain Soul" Talent proc. For the talent you need the last hit. but great vid. i genuinely learned a lot :D ty keep it up (This macro is still usefull for getting this talent to proc, but IF you DONT use this talent its not neccesarry for getting shards) btw you should put atleast 1 point in the talent because its worth it if you go by it anyway just for the ending "50% mana regen during casting at all times" it isnt connected to the buff it just enables mana regen if im correct.
I was on the fence of trying to figure out which one I wanted to level as my main in classic. Back in the vanilla days, I was a DPS warrior. So obviously as that was my first love? I wanted to play it again. I main a Warlock in current retail. So I was having problems figuring out which one I wanted to play. This video helped me decide that gonna main a lock in classic. Great video! :)
drain soul is too slow(they die faster with drain life). Just focus on maxing fel concentration, drain life and dark pact and you have nonstop grinding... Also scrap that VW and use succubus instead for fast leveling. VW is "old style", which only beginners use, because it "feels safer". Also, don't waste your mana on fears(even downranked ones), or you'll end up drinking almost all than time. With good tank built you never have to stop drinking and you kill them much faster with succu. Also let that succu take some damage, it will heal much faster than you do, once combat is over. If it seems to take too much damage, just funnel it while it is already running to next enemy. The trick is to keep sending succu ahead well on time, so it makes 1-2 hits on enemy, before your dots tick. By keeping max distance you can drain them, while they run from succu, to you. This tactic is specially good after levels 38-40+, where you get upgraded drain life and dark pact. Respec to SM/DS in 60, and sacrifice your VW instead of succubus, when you already have good gear. You will have 15% less damage, but you will get crazy amount of health from VW sacrifice and you never have to stop drinking (ticks +100-120 health every 4 sec). With this tactic you can also solo bosses in mara/DME easily. PS. When using succubus, disable soothing kiss, so that it keeps aggro a bit longer, and you can kill them faster, without aggroing too early. Also disable invisibility so that they attack succu earlier. Then also disable lash of pain in level 40, when you get dark pact, so that you get max mana from succubus. I have leveled 4 warlocks to 60 and found this to be the fastest way. PS. before getting succu, just go with imp. VW is only good, if you try to solo some kind of high level elite, which is not fearable. In that case you can dot very slowly and funnel VW.... until it loses aggro or is dying, then you have to sacrifice it and try to nuke the elite. Sometimes it is possible to just kill elite with very slow dots and constant funnel.... but in normal grinding and gameplay it's too slow progress and doesn't have enough aggro, even in demo spec. multiple enemy dotting is not a good method, since you end up always drinking, and you don't really kill them that much faster to make it worth it. You kill 3 mobs one by one faster with succu+draining, than you do by multidotting and drinking.
I have +90~ shadow dmg now and im level 40, sb definitely is worth using once per mob. Its dmg per mana effeciency surpasses immolate if you have additional sp. Also worth mentioning, sl is way too weak (atleast earlier ranks and without sp) , and costs too much mana to be used on every mob
So many things wrong with this video. Undead warlock is better for premade PVP ( The only thing that really matters) and most world PVP encounters. Improved drain soul is a noob trap, it's a bad, clumsy mechanic that actually slows down your leveling speed rather than speed it up. Leveling with a void walker is a private server meme, it's bad even with 3/3 improved voidwalker. The most optimal way to level a warlock has been known for 14 years...drain tanking with succubus or imp as a mana battery. Imps are super squishly unlike on private servers, you don't want him to tank at all. It has also been proving killing one mob at a time is more efficient than trying to juggle multiple mobs. At level 30 you will switch from wanding to drain life(unless you have an insane BoE wand). YOU NEVER USE SIPHON LIFE; siphon life needs to tick for 90% of its duration for it to be mana worthy to use, that is never going to be the case.
Shadow Priest is one of the harder matchups for Warlock, and their Fear cannot be dispelled by the felhunter. As you don't wanna run PvP trinket as Warlock, WotF is really good vs Spriest. Orc still best though.
Grim thought. Will more RL deaths effect the classic servers after a while then before? A lot of the people who are playing now will be the same as before but now older with more health problems.
Did you actually try "slowing down" the video to see talents taken? Ridiculous at .25 speed even, and the top area was so dark couldn't see the name of the Talent. Also not sure if you clicked them in the order you took them. Usually your videos aren't this lazy. (Perhaps replaying it with your slowing down advice is warranted).It would be fine if I had the trees memorized, but unfortunately I do not....
idk where people have found that if you are channeling drain soul, and don't get killing blow you don't receive soul shard. I have literally NEVER not gotten a shard while using that ability(plenty of times where pets or others could have gotten killing blow).
The only think I would disagree with here is getting Nighfall. Whilst this great at 60 and raiding, whilst levelling its wasted skill points. It simply doesn't proc enough, or procs when mobs about to die and other pointless random times when u won't use it, so it's poor. You ard better putting the points into something else.
Immolate is not worth casting in your normal rotation after level 30 or so. The only time I cast Immolate is when I'm locked out of shadow. And you never cast spells at full health. You should Life Tap far more than he does in this video. All of drain life and siphon life casts are going to waste because he's at full health and depleting mana.
I wonder how many affliction warlocks leveling up progress you messed up... Guys don't listen to this guy, hes talent choices and the order are totally messed up... You would never put 5 points into Improved Corruption, cause of GLOBAL COOLDOWN. The second you use a instant spell you can't use another spell for 1,5 seconds cause of GCD. So max you will put into it while leveling is 1 point. Also you would not put 2 points into improved soul, cause barely any warlock got spirit and why get mana back while you can just mana tap and then life drain... I will tell you guys how to talent an affliction warlock and the order. This is only for when leveling!!! 1 point improved corruption 5 point supression 4 points improved drain life 5 points fel concentration 2 points nightfall 1 point improved drain life 2 points improved curse of agony 1 point siphon life 1 point improved curse of agony 1 point amplify curse 2 point improved tap life 5 point shadow mastery Then time to go demology 5 points demonic embrace 2 points improved healthstone 2 points improved health funnel 1 point improved voidwalker 1 point fel domination 4 point fel stamina 2 point master summoner 2 points improved voidwalker 1 point fel stamina 1 point demonic sacrifice This is only for when leveling!!!
Jonas Huovila honestly on corruption it’s better to make it instant cast so you can cast while running for kiting and it won’t get interrupted from attacks or spell locks
@@frieza4079 No.......Just NO..... First of all if we got 2 locks, both will put 1 point into Corruption at lv 10. Now both got 1,6 second cast on it while global cooldown is 1,5 seconds. At level 11 one will put second point into corruption saving merely ONLY 0,1 second time on corruption since he can't remove the global cooldown. Second warlock at lv 11 will put 1 point into Suppression so now Soul Drain + Corruption + Curse of Agony all 3 have 2% less chance to get resisted... At level 12 one will put third point into corruption and now hes cast will be 1,2 seconds but still global is 1,5 second so this warlock will have to wait 0,3 seconds after casting corruption to even cast new spell so this warlock has wasted a point for nothing. Second warlock at lv 12 will put second point into suppression so now Soul Drain + Corruption + Curse of Agony all 3 have 4% less chance to get resisted... Lets skip 13 At 14 both warlocks will get Drain life at this point on warlock will have 5 points into corruption and only 2 of those points will be any useful. Other warlock will have 1 point into corruption and 4 points into Suppression so 8% less chance hes Drain Soul + Drain Life + Corruption + Curse of Agony has chance to get resisted. If Drain Life gets resisted they might die, but this will help out with this. Same goes with Drain Soul if it gets resisted in bad timing warlock might not get soul shards. Also every spell that gets resisted is a spell that costed mana and did 0 dmg... On top of that the warlock who filled Corruption warlock now has to put 5 points into Suppression while other one can put 4 points into Improved Drain Life and 1 point into Fel Concentration increasing hes chances to survive.
something you mentioned made me think of an addon that would be great if someone created. Just like there are addons to show +health for shields. there should be one that shows -health for your dots.
I haven't even reached 60 yet. I have 2 chars a lvl 27 hunter and 27 pally and im bored.. I just can't find a class that I can enjoy but warlock looks fun... I'm gonna try it let's hope I can reach 60
Buy all your skills folks. Don't think you need curse of reck? Try preloading a fear on a healing mob. With reck up it's an insta fear/interupt on other curse application.
one piece of advice on here is incorrect. When using drain soul it doesn't matter what kills the mob, as long as you are still channeling you get the soul shard. I guess you don't actually play a warlock or you would know this.
wand stats are super cheap ...disenchant and lowlevel green which goes between 1-2 gold for a chance of getting a essence (ench 7 items get the essence at nr 8 ) ...so i guess super cheap is kind of bullshit
Sorry but i must say not good leveling guide to follow and if you gonna play solo you must go demonology very early.Suggest if anyone looking for useful warlock guide check IamAlive.
Is it true that if the pet kills the mob, drain soul doesn't get the soul shard? Because I never call back the pet, but I still always get the soul shard. Or is it just the coincidence that my pet never gets the last hit?
I find the narration too frantic, not just this creator but some others too. Appreciate the work that goes into these videos but they are actually kinda stressful to listen too. Just my opinion!
Pets are not what make locks great at leveling it's dark pact and life tap, being a caster who never stops to drink is OP and slept on by most average locks
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Hey guys, i got the drain soul info wrong on this one. U pull ur pet back so improved soul drain triggers, not missing out on a soul shard. Sorry about that, misread during my research.
I'll tell you even more my man Punkrat, you don't need to pull your pet back to trigger imp. drain soul. It was a private server bug:))
But that's the least of the problems this guide has, as warlock pets and respective leveling strategies turned out to be completely wrong on private servers. So much so people are now pushing for succubus/imp as your leveling pet
Sorry I missed this edit bud, I'll delete my comment. 👍
@@nurmikoil1103 Is that true ? On retail it procs even if pet kills it ?
@@evoknz in classic, yes sir
On private servers the imp has alot more hp than in classic. Pulling with imp will most likely kill your imp (atleast early levels).
Yep, my imp died a lot during stress test and I only made it to lvl 5..
@@dubious6718 yup imp cant tank more than 2 hits
Putting 4/5 into improved corruption is actually pretty awesome in pvp because people think you’re casting fear - but it’s not and it goes so fast that people always miss their kick or silence and waste their cooldown
TIP: Never stay at FULL hp as he does in the video, lifetap to regenerate mana before reaching 100% hp.
yeah i was pulling my hair seeing him cast dots and staying at 100% hp.
His Voidwalker juggling of 3 mobs tactic is also pretty wrong. He obviously does not do that. He would be out of mana and the VW would lose threat pretty fast.
@@Steve-kn2dd lol
@@Steve-kn2dd And also if killing same lvl mobs the void can lose hp or die fast, even chainpulling single mobs cant give him enough time to regen and then must heal him constantly.
Rogues: YES PLEASE
I don't think you realize how inconvenient speeding up the talent tree is, that's like one of the most important parts of the video.
Just pause it and slow it down...
if you use your < and > keys or , and . then you can slow it down to watch frame by frame. Which is honestly the speed you need to slow it down to
A good idea might have been to do the tree as he was explaining the benefits of each talent, would've drawn it out
Don't even use this build. I'll send you the best one to go with, starting in affliction.
I agree, this build isn't that great. I love rolling affliction
is this footage from a privat4e server necause during beta my imp had 30 hp and got 2-3 shot
Yeah this is private server footage. Don't have your imp tank on live & your voidwalker won't pull as much threat on live
Normally I like Punkrat videos a lot. Seems like a very likable guy. There is so much wrong with this video it is painful to watch.
Like what for example? An explanation for us mere mortal would be appreciated
Is it painful STEVE? Take a pill.
this video is based on information from private servers which was discovered to be completely wrong in beta. build is not going to work, same with strategies etc.
It's because he is so misinformed when it comes to this class, it makes me cringe everytime he gives bad info in his vids, sad part is the brainless masses take that misinformation and don't think twice.
Just started your vid and already am disliking what you are showing. Drain soul is usless while leveling. But even more Void Walker cannot hold aggro like it does on Private as it does 75% less damage. You will die often if you try for the build you showed.
Try Dive's Drain tanking or Staysafe's builds.
Use succ after 20
It's funny to see a voidwalker keep aggro from 4 dots+wand or even on 2 mobs with 2 siphon lifes lol, that was definitely not the case in Vanilla. So many people are going for Demo/DS in their leveling spec ignoring Dark Pact because content creaters tell them to, it's hilarious how awful that advice is.
I agree. Anyone interested in leveling and playing a warlock. Join the warlock discord
Was looking for this comment cause I knew something was off. The dive tanking guide looked really good. Not trusting this youtuber from what I have seen on his videos
What's the point of Drain tanking if you have to drink every few mobs. Did you watch the speed runs with people who used it? I'll go with VW if I see that it can't hold agro at all I will switch to succubus + wanding. Specing drain life before at least 30 or more like 38 makes no sense
you actually do not need to get the killing blow on drain soul it just has to be up when the mob dies. :/
You don't need it for the shard ,you DO need it for the talent proc
you do, just not for the reason he said. while you will get a soul shard just for having it active.getting the killing blow with DS is still important to trigger your improved drain soul talent and get that 100% mana regen to maintain sustainability
improved drain soul sucks. have fun deleting soul shards from your bag one by one for eternity lulz. locks are plenty mana efficient with a decent wand and improved life tap
There's a good argument that the drain soul talent simply isn't worth it. The effect only lasts 10 second, and casting drain soul triggers the 5 second rule, so for the half of the duration you just get your normal mana regen just like if you wanded the mob to death, so you're left with another 5 seconds of double mana regen. Which isn't bad, I'll admit, but probably not worth the 2 talent points, especially since warlocks are very sustainable anyway.
@@dimentoid606 Honestly yeah as long as you manage your life you can manage your mana, just use Drain Life, Siphon Life and Soul Tap to keep sustained
Great video dude!
10:30 I recommend the Nercosis warlock add-on. You can have that alert you when you enter shadow trance. Plus it's just a great add-on over all, with a lot of cool little features for warlocks.
Punkrat: Perception good for warlock in pvp.
Felhunter: ???
Void walker leveling is a private server thing. A lot of things wrong with this video to name them all that comes from the private server scene. I would recommend you do more research before putting out a guide like this. Look up Dives leveling guide and even staysafe has a decent warlock guide for using the imp. Unfortunately, people will be surprised how bad the void walker is during launch.
I wish content creators would stop hyping up my favorite class lol. Now there's gonna be so many of them running around.
Not really, checkout the community surveys on Reddit.
@@savagecarnivore4699 do u have an link for chars made surveys?
There were already a lot of locks in classic you special unique unicorn
@metalfaust19 i agree back at least on my server there was pretty much no warlocks. it might change but back then they where rare.
No one is hyping up my pally class lol
The thing about not getting soul shards if you don't land the killing blow is only a private server thing. You won't need that macro
I don't think that was even a private server thing, I leveled a lock in lightshope and iirc as long as the mob had the drain soul dot on it when it died, I would get a ss.
it's not about the soul shard it's about getting the improved drain soul proc.
Voidwalker is significantly weaker on Classic than it is on Private Servers, primarily because it does significantly less damage in Classic, meaning the threat it generates is less, thus limiting the amount of damage you can do before you end up just tanking the mob yourself while your pet hits it like a wet noodles.
The consensus is starting to shift to just use your Imp until you get the Succubus with her spells disabled and just Drain (Life) Tank as it ends up being way more efficent than using void walker as you end up having a lot less downtime in the long run, and you're not having to constantly just stand around and do nothing while your pet generates enough threat to actually contribute.
Dive (well known Private Server warlock, and one of the folks who does a lot of the theory crafting on the Classic Warlock Discord) made a reddit post during the Classic BETA regarding this, I strongly suggest people check it out, while void walker still works, it is no longer the defacto choice for leveling. If you search "Reddit Dive Drain Tanking Classc" it should be the top result.
Exactly this. More people need to be aware of this imho. Voidwalker is quite a lot weaker in Classic compared to private servers.
Makes sense, I leveled with my Succubus around 45+ when I was SL. What talents was Dive recommending?
@@zepho100 Here's the guide: drive.google.com/file/d/1qdUs229_XvkR1NCeTrJkybL5BDXGIh7q/view
@@zepho100 Yeah, Nylo linked the guide and the talents are in there but at any rate, there's two schools of thought with a little aside for optional stuff. Primarily you either take Improved Imp early and take an early respec (around level 24ish) or you skip it entierly and just rush straight into your main leveling build. Eitherway, the recommended path is to stay almost exclusively in Affliction till you get Dark Pact and use your succubus (with auto-casts turn off) as a mana battery, meaning you have less downtime drinking for mana, because you can just Tap + Drain life + Steal your pets mana to sustain yourself. I strongly, strongly, suggest you read Dive's thoughts on it, and make the decision yourself as to how exactly you want to go about it, but the talents I use based off the talents recommended in the guide are (Roughly) as follows:
*_With Improved Imp:_*
Improved Corruption 2/5> Improved Imp 3/3 > Improved Corruption 5/5 > Suppression 3/5 > Improved Lifetap 2/2 > Improved Healthstone 2/2 or Demonic Embrace 2/5 > Respec
*_Without Imp (Or after respec):_*
Improved Corruption 5/5 > Suppression 3/5 > Improved Life Tap 2/2 > Fel Concentration 5/5 (Reduces pushback during Drain Life) > Grim Reach 2/2 > Amplify Curse > Improved Drain Life 2/5 > Siphon Life 1/1 > Improved Drain Life 5/5 > Curse of Exhaustion 1/1 or Nightfall 1/2, your choice you need an extra point somewhere, I take Exhaustion > Shadow Mastery 5/5 > Dark Pact 1/1 > (Optional, but strongly recommended) Improved Healthstone 2/2 > (Optional, but strongly recommended) Demonic Embrace 5/5
*_and from this point forth the talents don't have an incredibly large impact on the general efficency of the build, so it's entirely up to you where you spend the rest of your points, I personally go_*
2/2 Nightfall > 4/5 Fel Intellect (so my Succubus has more mana for me to steal) > Fel Domination > 5/5 Fel Intellect > 4/4 Improved Curse of Exhaustion > Improved Curse of Agony 1/3 (But you're 60 here, so you just respec to your level 60 Spec)
*_Alternatively you can go_*
Cataclysm 5/5 > Bane 5/5 > Shadowburn 1/1 > Nightfall 2/2 (and again you're 60, so you can just go respec to your 60 spec)
*_Or just about any other combination, it's entirely at your discretion, shadowburn can be useful for PvP engagements as it gives this build a little bit of burst it otherwise lacks, but Fel Domination gives you quick access to your Void Walker for Sacrifice for much of the same reason of making you harder to kill in PvP, but still has uses in general questing allowing you to shield yourself and escape a hairy situation and an otherwise rather long, umounted run back to your corpse that's quite common in the higher level zones._*
I main warlock back in wow vanilla and this was the build I used, and it was because I quickly found that the Voidwalker was useless at tanking. As soon as you did some dmg, you ended up tanking instead so I was forced to spec into drain life just to survive. But as a good benefit, you dont have to hold back. Open up with Agony, Corruption, Immolate and drain life. By the time the dots run low or out, the mob is dead, you have almost full HP, half mana bar. You life-tap 2x and moved on. If HP gets too low, bandage up and move on.
Bro. Pretty sure the Drain Soul Talent to get crazy regen is what requires the killing blow. The soul shard is 100% as long as it dies while you are channeling. Otherwise decent vid!
Usually love your videos Chunk...but this is not a rly good guide for warlock sorry. This is too much from a private server POV. You have 4 days to make it right! Make it 3 videos!
yeah Kargoz videos are also made from a private server pov and that's why all his videos that he put a lot of time doing should be remade but he won't do that, people who have adapted their guides for classic knows their stuff and that's why all Kargoz's guides need to be criticized because many of them rely on private server bugs
@@FreedomFighter08 right on brother
I did a respec at level 36 to try and follow this and my survivability went out the window. I followed the order suggested in the video and would really recommend putting points in demo first. I would pump up demonic embrace and improved voidwalker first and then go back into affliction. This way your vw wont lose threat as often with all the dots you are putting on your targets. Aside from that, love the build so far.
Is it just me or does the voidwalker never aggro like it does in this video. I switched to succubus because I would get aggro for just putting 2 DoTs on a mob...
That's why I think it's better to go for Improved Voidwalker by level 22.
Consider buying grimoires to level up its taunt
@@Menaceirl ofc i did that.
@@aMilling Was responding to the original commenter
yeah VW taunt is pretty weak, and warlocks dont even cause much threat... imo let ur voidwalker get a few hits... apply dots between first and second taunt, then life tap, drain life or whatever you do
Anyone using this to prep for BC as Horde with a new Lock, here is a friendly reminder that Blood Fury Orc racial changes to cover spells as well as melee when Burning Crusade launches. Be sure to consider this change when choosing your path if you feel it is for you.
Train the reclessness(rank1only), bloody useful in a packed houses, castles etc..
I think you still get the soul shard, even if the pet gets the killing blow?
Yes, all that matters is that you are casting Drain Soul when the mob dies.
@@WayneRogersOutdoors Yeah, I think the mix up is improved drain soul -- if the pet gets the blow, you don't get the mana regen boost. Poop talent if you ask me anyway.
@@zepho100 Its pretty decent, 100% increased mana regeneration for the duration. Its equivalent to using 1 more dot every mob. obviously its down to how much spirit you got.
I wish I could make up my mind. Do I level a hunter again and relive my first WoW experience? Alliance locks seem a bit weak due to WotF, but they still look fun. Maybe a rogue. Maybe a mage. Maybe a paladin, actually.
Maybe I should quit my job and move back into my parents' basement.
Cannibalize: The lore-friendly version of teabagging
A tea bagging that their friends can watch while they rot to dots
With my experience, Blackbone Wand will stay with you for a very long time. Since it's shadow damage, all of the Shadow Wrath equipment you carry will add to it as well.
"Don't buy all the abilities and save your gold!"
*shows clip of Warlock only buying some skills but has over 1000g in their bag*
pffffffft XD
Very helpful!!! Thank you!!!
If you are trying to figure our how he put the keybinds for his Attack/Follow commands for his pet it goes as follows:
On the KeyBindings Menu:
For Pet Attack go to Targeting and set the tab for Pet Attack to the Mouse Wheel Up.
For Pet Follow: There is NO tab that actually says, "Pet Follow". Go to the first Action Tab and look for Pet Action Button 2. Setting this tab to Mouse Wheel Down will command your pet to Follow.
This rose my blood pressure a bit trying to figure this out.
Dude youre warlocking wrong.
1. No demon armor up. Lost health gain.
2. Full health and low mana. Lost health gain from both demon armor and siphon life.
3. Casting shadowbolt ever. Not mana cost efficient.
4. Improved drain soul. On average youre not going to use more than 2-3 shards per hour while leveling, anything more is just wasted bagspace and you will in the long run be wasting hours destroying shards. And now were on the topic of soulshards, dump the shard bag. That bagslot could be a mooncloth bag with 16 slots. Manage your shards right and they will never take up more than 2-3 bagspace.
Every warlock in vanilla knew this. Its like page 1 out of the warlock playbook.
How about you shut up? You are starting to PISS me off.
Good info but I would personally disagree on Affliction for leveling, it's excellent for end game content but demonology makes solo questing SO easy.
Good intro to spec to get you interested. Now forget everything he said and go read Dive's Drain Tanking Guide.
lol you are making all these warlock videos. U playin a warrior or something?
For improved drain soul killing blow proc I wouldn't use a /follow macro. Better to just get a habit of manually hit follow if the pet is attacking your drain soul target. Reason is if you are doing a multi mob pull. If the pet is attacking a different target it will stop that once you drain soul on the target it wasn't even attacking in the first place if drain soul also trigger /follow.
Guess you can have two keybinds for drain soul to counter this, one normal and one macro but seems a hassle. It's not hard to just manually /follow or send pet to another target before you are about to drain soul.
Ya thats how i did it jn the video. But many ppl are lazy and dont wanna micro their pet so i added it
I’d also say in a PvP server, you are going to find more benefit in utilizing life drain over your wand, especially at higher levels. Utilizing drain life is pretty much the same speed as using the wand, but keeps you at full life and mana, you also save time having to not bandage. The build highlighted is definitely focused on some one off beneficial scenarios, but for overall more speed, doing 5/5 supp and 5/5 improved DL over Drain Soul and fel intellect 5/5 is gonna give you more results. If you are leveling your warlock to 60 as a second character, it’s also worth investing in the Shadoweave set from Shadow tailoring which will also stack on your Drain Life, making it far superior to wanting as well. Otherwise this is a very helpful guide about some of the great nuances of the warlock.
Yo man, this guide isn't worth the time mainly because the Voidwalker doesn't hold agro in classic compared to Pservers. Check out Dives drain tanking guide using the succubus cause it will be a better leveling build and more fun. Also join the classic wow discord, lots of great info there!
Also void is okay, but it doesn’t have a true taunt and you’ll pull aggro off it a lot - even with improved void.
Here is the issue with Orc Vs Undead. Undead has higher base INT which is nice but what really matters is in PVE in Dungeons/Raids many bosses have some kind of fear which can be negated by WOTF which means lots of time an Orc Warlock is feared the Undead Warlock can turn around and do Damage. Stuns are also an issue in Raids but most if played correctly can be avoided and your 25% stun isn't going to be a huge factor. In PVP I think its no contest though, screw rogues. Plus Horde Warlocks are bigger since Alliance Lacks WOTF.
Instead of using 2 binds for "pet attack" and "follow" use this macro:
/petfollow [@pettarget,exists]
/petattack [@pettarget,noexists]
END
Press it once and it will send your pet to attack your current target. Click it again to make it follow you, or alternatively, send it to a new target that you are currently targeting.
Tested it on the stress server, should work come live classic.
Sorry, but I've mained a warlock since 2004, & Drain Soul doesn't care at all who or what gets the killing blow. If I'm draining soul when the mob dies, I get a soul shard, period, no exceptions. Further, Improved Drain Soul is completely irrelevant to this issue, as I am always 0/2 in that talent -- I don't use it at all -- and what I said before is still true. (And yes, I do have a 60 warlock in Classic, so this isn't just a misremembered long ago past.) This is just some incorrect warlock mythology. I don't mean to be rude, but it's just wrong.
One of your better videos imo. Great job. I’m rolling lock retail launch. Good luck champ.
I highly recommend not going straight for shadow master because you will sacrifice way too much survivaibility and as you mentioned locks dont have much defense/escape early on especially if not orc. You should start by picking up improved corruption, suppression amplify curse and improved life tap (8-11 points depending on preference). then switching over to demo picking up improved HP, health stone, void sac, fel dom, and master summoner (17 points). After master summoner you go back to affliction tree picking up the rest of your important talents and getting shadow mastery. The reason for this is that getting shadow mastery early and talents like improved CoA don't scale as well be cause you have low level abilities. Getting all the survival talents and having master summoner at level 37 is huge in your defense and lasts all the way to 60. if you do it the other way and get SM first then you get your best defense skill at level 56 and use it for only 4 levels before respeccing. Also when you delay the SM talent you will end up getting it right around the time you start collecting spell damage gear (lvl 51-56) and it scale with your high ranking spells
I agree on this!
Alliance warlock looks like the opposit of fun in pvp. Same could be said about priest I guess. Shamans and billions of undead on horde side gonna make ur fear look useless.
I love your video's, with that said, Life drain is the worst thing you can use for leveling, it's so slow at killing, Use SB/WAND. Also, Siphon life is a waste of time. Easier to dot dot SB wand wand, Lifetap when you need Mana. Never be at full health, if your at full health, your doing something wrong!
This is wrong, drain life at rank 4+ which is unlocked at 38 is significantly stronger than wands. Siphon life being bad is also misinformation, on short fights it is less effective but longer fights 18+ seconds it is very strong as life=mana as a warlock and more mana=more combat uptime. There's plenty of research on both these.
@@thstealx5230 Only thing drain life is good for is getting life back when your in trouble, not to kill with, it's slow and ineffective.
I'm sick of all these leveling guides. Tell me how to play in low level content.
Hands down the best wow content creator 👏
Sadly (improved)Voidwalker was and is completely useless in Vanilla/Classic. This only worked on private servers.
Would recommend anyone playing warlock to check out drain tanking and whatever else is available on erik the warlocks channel. He could use a popularity bump.
Choosing a race based on the racial skills is one of the worst mistakes you can make. Only recommended for the hardcore min-maxers and people who dont give a damn about looks.
Not really on a PvP server. Stun resist or the ability to remove snares is extreamly helpful and very hard to pass up.
Yeah, I know orc is just better with their stun resist, but I just can't stand the looks of orcs. My first character I originally made in vanilla back in 2005 was undead, and my main has ever since been undead, so without question I'm definitely going undead again. And yeah like you said, racial skills will hardly matter to casual gamers, like I'm not planning on going for r14. I love the look of gear and seeing it on my character, one of the reasons I always hated gnome, because you need to either have your camera really zoomed in to see your gear or zoomed out and your gnome would look like a little ant on your screen.
@@Xanthira222 if you like the looks, go for it. but if not, you will just suffer. and then you say, well at least I have my stun resistence, only to find out you still get owned by dudes who just have better gear and skill then you. "But at the same gear.." you say? Well have fun waiting for that situation.
@@jamessunderland4609 resisting a stun from a rogue as an orc warlock can literally change the entire fight in a huge way.
@@Xanthira222 Call me if you won because of that serveral times, i give you a "who the fuck cares award" right away.
9:45: Isn't it better to bandage yourself and let voidwalker apply Consume Shadows in the same time?
Yes, lol this guide is pretty meh
Ty so much:D just the vid i was looking for
I normally like your videos but here your in very deep water. The info you provide is straight out not accurate. It's based on private servers which has been proven not working in classic. You should take the video down, make new research based on classic, and upload a new video
what's the point of him making a video on a topic that he doesn't know anything about
Just adding to what others have already said. Based on the beta, Voidwalker is NOT the pet to use for leveling like on private servers. It is unable to generate more threat than you so it will constantly lose aggro. Use Succubus ASAP and spec for Drain Tanking (also Imp potentially has more DPS so it might be the more viable option for speed levelers). This is the current theorized meta for Classic Warlock leveling.
You have wonderful content, but the game is not yet out and new things are constantly being discovered that change aspects of every class. As a content creator I think it would be far more valuable to hold off on making guides until the game is out and its meta is formed. Your content is good, you don't need to be the "first" to get views. Be the most accurate, the community will appreciate you more for it.
Orc has good style as a warrior. But for everybody else: Undead ftw.
FYI Siphon life causes healing aggro
So should you Life Tap only at full health? Thus the amount healed is minimal. Sorry I meant Siphon Life.
@@mikekelly1957 I'm no Lock guru but dont really think the timing matters. Its more a case of whether your pet has enough aggro on the mobs or not. If you using void and give him enough time to round up 3+ mobs and get hes aoe taunt off once or twice u should be ok i think. Single target obviously no issue, SL to ur hearts content :) What some other players also mentioned about the void not being that great for vanilla leveling and rather taking other pet for dps it would also play a role in SL as u might get healing aggro sooner if not using void. Just something to bear in mind. I dont really care that much as I will just dot the S##t out of everything and hope to see another day LOL
@@Reaperx81 Thanks for the well-written response! Cheers!
Thanks for mouse scroll tip for the pet. Never thought of that
Then how will I zoom out and in my own character?
Your discord is awesome, lots of spicy memes.
If you want to level Warlock like a beast, you spec drain tank build. Hands down it's the most efficient way to level, zero downtime once you get dark pact. Use succubus instead of void Walker, she'll save your life from those pesky rogue gankers and she does decent damage.
Awesome bro! Both videos, I’ve leveled to 60 twice on Elysium and lightshope with a priest, loved playing shadow but it’s like a ret pally coming to a raid. Decided I would level a warlock first and your two videos are everything I need, you defiantly did the Vanilla community a solid 🤙 thank you!
Why not get corruption and lifetap, then go down the demo tree to get DS, then you don't have to worry about pet in dungeons and groups
Void will also do more damage and have better threat
4 days 0.0
I'm gonna give it a week. Get my toon in a rested area and then wait till it calms down just a little.
What about cookies wand? That thing rapes at low levels. Especially with world buffs.
at 7:45 you mention as a warlock if your pet gets last hit while draining soul you WILL NOT get a soul shard. and this is not true. for Drain Soul the target just needs to die while you are conencted with the spell drain soul and you WILL be rewarded a soulshard every single time. BUT if you have the talent "Improved drain soul" in the Affliction spec, you DO require to have the last hit via DoT, or direct dmg. but if your pet DOES get the last hit you WILL get a soulshard but you WILL NOT get the "Improved Drain Soul" Talent proc. For the talent you need the last hit. but great vid. i genuinely learned a lot :D ty keep it up (This macro is still usefull for getting this talent to proc, but IF you DONT use this talent its not neccesarry for getting shards) btw you should put atleast 1 point in the talent because its worth it if you go by it anyway just for the ending "50% mana regen during casting at all times" it isnt connected to the buff it just enables mana regen if im correct.
Exactly
I was on the fence of trying to figure out which one I wanted to level as my main in classic. Back in the vanilla days, I was a DPS warrior. So obviously as that was my first love? I wanted to play it again. I main a Warlock in current retail. So I was having problems figuring out which one I wanted to play. This video helped me decide that gonna main a lock in classic. Great video! :)
drain soul is too slow(they die faster with drain life). Just focus on maxing fel concentration, drain life and dark pact and you have nonstop grinding... Also scrap that VW and use succubus instead for fast leveling. VW is "old style", which only beginners use, because it "feels safer". Also, don't waste your mana on fears(even downranked ones), or you'll end up drinking almost all than time. With good tank built you never have to stop drinking and you kill them much faster with succu. Also let that succu take some damage, it will heal much faster than you do, once combat is over. If it seems to take too much damage, just funnel it while it is already running to next enemy. The trick is to keep sending succu ahead well on time, so it makes 1-2 hits on enemy, before your dots tick. By keeping max distance you can drain them, while they run from succu, to you. This tactic is specially good after levels 38-40+, where you get upgraded drain life and dark pact. Respec to SM/DS in 60, and sacrifice your VW instead of succubus, when you already have good gear. You will have 15% less damage, but you will get crazy amount of health from VW sacrifice and you never have to stop drinking (ticks +100-120 health every 4 sec). With this tactic you can also solo bosses in mara/DME easily. PS. When using succubus, disable soothing kiss, so that it keeps aggro a bit longer, and you can kill them faster, without aggroing too early. Also disable invisibility so that they attack succu earlier. Then also disable lash of pain in level 40, when you get dark pact, so that you get max mana from succubus. I have leveled 4 warlocks to 60 and found this to be the fastest way. PS. before getting succu, just go with imp. VW is only good, if you try to solo some kind of high level elite, which is not fearable. In that case you can dot very slowly and funnel VW.... until it loses aggro or is dying, then you have to sacrifice it and try to nuke the elite. Sometimes it is possible to just kill elite with very slow dots and constant funnel.... but in normal grinding and gameplay it's too slow progress and doesn't have enough aggro, even in demo spec. multiple enemy dotting is not a good method, since you end up always drinking, and you don't really kill them that much faster to make it worth it. You kill 3 mobs one by one faster with succu+draining, than you do by multidotting and drinking.
Which do y’all think is better PVE wise, affliction or destro
Destro because of 150% crit bonus but it needs hit rating.
I dunno why, but I never thought of having scroll-up/scoll-down for the attack/return commands!
You don't want your imp to tank at all in Classic, it dies in 2-3 hits most of the time due to improper scaling on pservs.
Such a good key bind suggestion holy shit im talkin genius lvl macros here ppl
Ive decided to level with imp until void walker gets aoe taunt and extra threat talent its pretty annoying always pulling agro
302 gold at lvl 30 with no bags! how about you let us in on ur secret gold farming methods ;)
I'm glad someone else noticed this lol
Chunkrat selling that thicc booty at the docks
@@spectralimages8961 😂😂🤣🤣
Ppl on private servers buy gold alot
who am I kidding, I would spend gold on that Chunkrat tail
Your videos are awesome. I was planning on making a warlock as my first toon. So this is incredibly helpful.
I'm not impressed that I saw a leveling service as an ad on this video. The company was called legion farm. :-( overall I love your videos
Ditto
Lock power lets go lads.
yo guys punkrawihnothervido
that scroll mouse command insight was epic!
I have +90~ shadow dmg now and im level 40, sb definitely is worth using once per mob. Its dmg per mana effeciency surpasses immolate if you have additional sp. Also worth mentioning, sl is way too weak (atleast earlier ranks and without sp) , and costs too much mana to be used on every mob
So many things wrong with this video. Undead warlock is better for premade PVP ( The only thing that really matters) and most world PVP encounters. Improved drain soul is a noob trap, it's a bad, clumsy mechanic that actually slows down your leveling speed rather than speed it up. Leveling with a void walker is a private server meme, it's bad even with 3/3 improved voidwalker. The most optimal way to level a warlock has been known for 14 years...drain tanking with succubus or imp as a mana battery. Imps are super squishly unlike on private servers, you don't want him to tank at all. It has also been proving killing one mob at a time is more efficient than trying to juggle multiple mobs. At level 30 you will switch from wanding to drain life(unless you have an insane BoE wand). YOU NEVER USE SIPHON LIFE; siphon life needs to tick for 90% of its duration for it to be mana worthy to use, that is never going to be the case.
Shadow priest guide man!!!!! Great guides bro
Shadow Priest is one of the harder matchups for Warlock, and their Fear cannot be dispelled by the felhunter. As you don't wanna run PvP trinket as Warlock, WotF is really good vs Spriest. Orc still best though.
Also works against warriors intimidating shout.
@@MrPiikkipallo Yeah that too!
Priest fear is magic, it CAN be dispelled by the Felhunter. Never keep the Felhunter next to you if you're fighting a priest.
@@SilverforceX No that's wrong. Priest Fear is NOT magic. That's why I pointed out that WotF is really good vs Spriest
Grim thought. Will more RL deaths effect the classic servers after a while then before? A lot of the people who are playing now will be the same as before but now older with more health problems.
Good more funerals to raid.
Did you actually try "slowing down" the video to see talents taken? Ridiculous at .25 speed even, and the top area was so dark couldn't see the name of the Talent. Also not sure if you clicked them in the order you took them. Usually your videos aren't this lazy. (Perhaps replaying it with your slowing down advice is warranted).It would be fine if I had the trees memorized, but unfortunately I do not....
idk where people have found that if you are channeling drain soul, and don't get killing blow you don't receive soul shard. I have literally NEVER not gotten a shard while using that ability(plenty of times where pets or others could have gotten killing blow).
The only think I would disagree with here is getting Nighfall. Whilst this great at 60 and raiding, whilst levelling its wasted skill points. It simply doesn't proc enough, or procs when mobs about to die and other pointless random times when u won't use it, so it's poor. You ard better putting the points into something else.
Immolate is not worth casting in your normal rotation after level 30 or so. The only time I cast Immolate is when I'm locked out of shadow.
And you never cast spells at full health. You should Life Tap far more than he does in this video. All of drain life and siphon life casts are going to waste because he's at full health and depleting mana.
I wonder how many affliction warlocks leveling up progress you messed up...
Guys don't listen to this guy, hes talent choices and the order are totally messed up...
You would never put 5 points into Improved Corruption, cause of GLOBAL COOLDOWN. The second you use a instant spell you can't use another spell for 1,5 seconds cause of GCD. So max you will put into it while leveling is 1 point.
Also you would not put 2 points into improved soul, cause barely any warlock got spirit and why get mana back while you can just mana tap and then life drain...
I will tell you guys how to talent an affliction warlock and the order.
This is only for when leveling!!!
1 point improved corruption
5 point supression
4 points improved drain life
5 points fel concentration
2 points nightfall
1 point improved drain life
2 points improved curse of agony
1 point siphon life
1 point improved curse of agony
1 point amplify curse
2 point improved tap life
5 point shadow mastery
Then time to go demology
5 points demonic embrace
2 points improved healthstone
2 points improved health funnel
1 point improved voidwalker
1 point fel domination
4 point fel stamina
2 point master summoner
2 points improved voidwalker
1 point fel stamina
1 point demonic sacrifice
This is only for when leveling!!!
Jonas Huovila honestly on corruption it’s better to make it instant cast so you can cast while running for kiting and it won’t get interrupted from attacks or spell locks
@@frieza4079 No.......Just NO.....
First of all if we got 2 locks, both will put 1 point into Corruption at lv 10. Now both got 1,6 second cast on it while global cooldown is 1,5 seconds.
At level 11 one will put second point into corruption saving merely ONLY 0,1 second time on corruption since he can't remove the global cooldown.
Second warlock at lv 11 will put 1 point into Suppression so now Soul Drain + Corruption + Curse of Agony all 3 have 2% less chance to get resisted...
At level 12 one will put third point into corruption and now hes cast will be 1,2 seconds but still global is 1,5 second so this warlock will have to wait 0,3 seconds after casting corruption to even cast new spell so this warlock has wasted a point for nothing.
Second warlock at lv 12 will put second point into suppression so now Soul Drain + Corruption + Curse of Agony all 3 have 4% less chance to get resisted...
Lets skip 13
At 14 both warlocks will get Drain life at this point on warlock will have 5 points into corruption and only 2 of those points will be any useful.
Other warlock will have 1 point into corruption and 4 points into Suppression so 8% less chance hes Drain Soul + Drain Life + Corruption + Curse of Agony has chance to get resisted.
If Drain Life gets resisted they might die, but this will help out with this. Same goes with Drain Soul if it gets resisted in bad timing warlock might not get soul shards. Also every spell that gets resisted is a spell that costed mana and did 0 dmg...
On top of that the warlock who filled Corruption warlock now has to put 5 points into Suppression while other one can put 4 points into Improved Drain Life and 1 point into Fel Concentration increasing hes chances to survive.
something you mentioned made me think of an addon that would be great if someone created. Just like there are addons to show +health for shields. there should be one that shows -health for your dots.
Fabulous idea. I hope someone does it!
I haven't even reached 60 yet. I have 2 chars a lvl 27 hunter and 27 pally and im bored.. I just can't find a class that I can enjoy but warlock looks fun... I'm gonna try it let's hope I can reach 60
Buy all your skills folks. Don't think you need curse of reck? Try preloading a fear on a healing mob. With reck up it's an insta fear/interupt on other curse application.
one piece of advice on here is incorrect. When using drain soul it doesn't matter what kills the mob, as long as you are still channeling you get the soul shard. I guess you don't actually play a warlock or you would know this.
"They've got it all" Gets ganked by rogues and just pops instantly lol
my voidwalker isnt holding aggro at all, and i skilled early in improved voidwalker.. is there something i can do about it?
Nope, my VW is consistently doing 50% less damage than his is and that was with Unholy Power. Somehow along the way I think warlocks had VW nerfed.
Orc all the way! Setting on go Monday!
If only they didn't look so ugly ;(
wand stats are super cheap ...disenchant and lowlevel green which goes between 1-2 gold for a chance of getting a essence (ench 7 items get the essence at nr 8 ) ...so i guess super cheap is kind of bullshit
"Dont overkill targets" ...casts immolate at 50% HP. =)
Sorry but i must say not good leveling guide to follow and if you gonna play solo you must go demonology very early.Suggest if anyone looking for useful warlock guide check IamAlive.
Is it true that if the pet kills the mob, drain soul doesn't get the soul shard? Because I never call back the pet, but I still always get the soul shard. Or is it just the coincidence that my pet never gets the last hit?
I find the narration too frantic, not just this creator but some others too. Appreciate the work that goes into these videos but they are actually kinda stressful to listen too. Just my opinion!
Anyone else find it annoying to have to go back and slow down the video to watch prob the most important part of leveling ...TALENTS!
hey what should i do to get nightfall procs to appear, i always miss them because of small icon on top right corner
just listen for the sound queue, it sounds like a whooshing shadowbolt
When your lvling, you might as well take dark pact at 40... you can just respec at 60. Would be a bit silly to not just grab that.
Pets are not what make locks great at leveling it's dark pact and life tap, being a caster who never stops to drink is OP and slept on by most average locks