The eyebrow windows were for improved visibility during tight turns. They were a pain when not in use as they allowed lots of sunlight in to the cockpit, so much so, that pilots would cover them up with charts and checklists! They were removed eventually due to improvements with systems like TCAS, and to reduce the amount of maintenance required for the aircraft.
Why don't Boeing just install a shade? You know, like a shade slider that the passenger windows get. That way pilots can just open and close the eyebrow windows when needed.
@@NeoKingArthur There would be nothing stopping them from a technical standpoint, however, it's not a feature that's in high demand anymore so I doubt that there would be a financial argument for Boeing to provide the option. In many cases, aircraft manufactured with the eyebrow windows have had them removed, indicating that operators would rather not have to deal with their issues.
Back in the day, they were called "vision-in-a-turn" windows. They were particularly useful when the PF was turning toward the side opposite of his own side in the cockpit (capt doing a right turn, or copilot doing a left turn), when the ground is all one could really see when looking out over the other pilot's side window, because the airplane is banked. The eyebrow windows helped the pilots look "up" and see the horizon in the direction the airplane was going during a turn.
Ah, the Olympic Airways. Brings me back some childhood memories. Although they have never operated the 737-700, they have operated the 732, 733 and 734. They were also pretty loyal Boeing customers, as they have flown the 707, 717, 720, 727 and 747, along with some A300s and A340s. I mean the attention to detail is almost mindblowing, as the pretend registration of this aircraft (SX-BZB) corresponds with the company's pattern. They used SX-Axx for single engined aircraft, SX-Bxx for two engined, SX-Cxx for three engined and SX-Dxx for four engined aircraft. The only exceptions were found at the 747s, whose registrations were SX-OAA to SX-OAE, as those were the initials of Olympic Airways and also the company founder's Onassis Aristotelis.
To get the gear lever to work with the TCA quadrant levers, change the "Gear Up" bind to activate with the same button used for "Gear Down" but make sure to change the input type from "On press" (which is the default) to "On release" for the gear up. The logic being that with gear up, there is no longer a constant button press command going to the sim telling it to raise the gear. The gear will then go up when you release the button (i.e. lifting the lever up) for gear down. This then allows you to click the gear to "off" on the flight deck (and click back to "up" when on approach) For the throttles, use the same 0-100% axes as for FBW, but change the neutral point to around 55-60%. This should give you full reverse action on the same axis.
It's the same with the Honeycomb Bravo Quadrant, setting the gear lever as 'on release' rather than 'on press'. This is also the reason for the 'I am not sure what that rumble noise is' mentioned in the video @32:52. I used to have that rumble noise until I fixed the gear lever mapping. In my case I also had nose wheel failure to extend when coming into land on most flights. When that happened I had to open the access flap on the floor between the 2 pilots, behind the pedestal, and pull the middle red handle to manually drop the nose gear. Be aware on mapping the gear lever, that even though you map the buttons to 'on release', there is EVERY chance that when you validate it, it actually resets to 'on press'. So you need to go back into the setting and reselect 'on release'. You should be good to go now.
But the TCA throttle quadrant doesn't have a "gear down" button. The gear lever is a switch that registers as a button being held down when it is on the up position.
There's actually a TOGA switch worked into the MCP, under the course selector bug, to the left of the captain's flight director switch, and right next to the little screw on the bottom left there... instead of fidgeting around to get the right camera view to press it on the throttle quadrant... makes it easier and more convenient on take off! try it next time! can't wait for streams with this plane.
@@johnknapp952 well if you watched the video, you would have see him fidgeting for the switch on the throttles, so I just wanted to point it out incase he didn't know.
I'd love to see you try a challenge stream with this. Crank up the PMDG random system failures with no limit and see if you can get the plane back to the ground safely.
Great review. One note on this and your other Boeing videos: Vapp should be Vref+5, plus wind corrections, not Vref, as you have it. You notice your pitch is a tad high on the approach as a result of not adding the 5kts.
Thanks for watching and for the info! Glad you enjoyed it, I’ll take that into account for future videos (although in my next video I do the same as this but it is already filmed ;) )
@@320SimPilot It’s one of those Boeingisms. Imagine the fun, though, of Ye Olde Days, when you’d have to worry about switching from one AT regime to another; or toggling ALT-Hold on and off. Mode confusion is bad enough now. (Then again, the danger was more explicit then. Now, it’s merely insidious.) You do a good job of talking viewers through such things. So does V1, who shares with you the A320 habit of flaring too high in the squat, unlovely 73-must be nice up there on those taller Airbus landing gear. :)
I hate to sound negative but PMDG are just not bringing anything new to the simulation landscape. It's the same old (good) thing but nothing innovative. It's a big yawn fest for me and I am going to wait until they start doing new stuff.
That was one of the best reviews on any aircraft I have seen. Whilst we have the PMDG 737 on other flight sims, you managed to review it as a new aircraft on a new platform. Well done, I learnt a bit today and will practice the lessons you have passed on. Thank you mate.
Cracking video as ever @320 Sim Pilot, many thanks! PMDG have done an amazing job and it will hopefully only get better. We are so lucky to have all of these great sims at the moment! Thanks again 👍
I really like the addon, the fast trim sound bug needs to be fixed soon though, not sure how that was missed/fixed before release. I also hope to have a EFB and a working cockpit door and windows soon :D
Agreed on the trim bug, kind of makes it confusing at times thinking you might have a runaway trim at times. They did says the EFB is being worked on, so hopefully it can come very soon
@@pilot.sergio4 yeah everytime as soon as you take of its very immersion breaking. Yup all in works, just hope we get them soo. Ive kind of started using the FO's CDU as EFB for now lol
@@ElitistMagi also the other thing for me is I fly with a Xbox controller and every time when I try to taxi with rudders, the rudder snaps to neutral when I full deflect left or right. When I try to use like 50 or 75% of rudder it twitches back and forth making taxing uneasy. I posted on the forums but no acknowledgement from PMDG yet.
Thanks for watching David, glad you liked it! Yes it has very good climb performance but I am using TOGA thrust instead of the usual de rate, plus a low weight in order to be able to land back again immediately, so I imagine it’s pretty realistic for the -700!
@@320SimPilot Thanks for that, makes sense now you've explained. I've flown on all kinds over the years and noticed some marked differences on take off particularly. Delta 767.... slow spool up and long run before lifting off. A330.... slow spool up also but very planted if you know what I mean. Ryanair 737-800.... Fast and furious lol. Easyjet A319/A320 (not sure if A320N or not).... best of all, powerful and smooth. The most noticeable difference to me between a Boeing and an Airbus is an Airbus FEELS smoother. Don't know if the wings are made to a higher quality but there's a definite difference in ride. Like a Ford Fiesta vs. Mercedes. Anyway, thanks again, maybe one day I'll be a passenger of yours and I'll think..... hang on, I know that voice! lol. Best - David
@@DavidValentine2017 bus is fly by wire, so computer is making lots of little adjustments, although the Boeing has a similar "control wheel steering" option, it is rarely used.
Honestly I'm surprised that they modeled Air Starts. As it's not something you think about doing in a sim since unless you say otherwise you APU works perfectly. Gotta try it when I learn more of this Aircraft lol.
Come on Mr pilot, there is a trade in resolution that PMDG had to consider,,,otherwise you would be complaining now about FPS...it is pretty narcissistic (well i don't mean that..but since was the word that came to my head i wil not delete it) , not even a perfectionist would call out these 0.001% of details that aren't 100% perfect as you move the camera so close that will fill up your screen, as a pilot myself i just take all my hats off including my baldness to PMDG for the perfection on detail...surely i will not be droning at full screen the landing lights or the engine cone. i just have to thank PMDG for doing something that i own now for a lifetime for a price of a pair of shoes. I have no words to say how exited i really am to have this aircraft on my library. Aside that i have to say I'm your fan, and you have taught me a lot on the airbus, and for that i will take my hat once again to you. Sorry my English, Portuguese Pilot and Musician here, keep the good videos!
Thanks for sharing! Indeed I couldn't help but point them out but hopefully my overall impression shown in the video is that this is an excellent add on. I even specify that you are unlikely to notice these things without a drone, so I do agree with you. Thanks for watching and for your comment!
Pmdg attention to detail is second to none, really is. Been using PMDG in FSX days. Look forward to 737max when it arrives in FS2020.. It will be great when they integrate the EFB..FYI Asobo plan the release the weather API to 3rd party plane developers in SU10.. Planned release anyway..
@@Flightsimmovies sure will Mate. Robert from PMDG in a interview few weeks ago. Said "all 737 variants will be developing including the Max." The Max will be the last variant to develop due to cockpit layout being very different.. Probably won't see that till end of the year..
Thanks for watching! I mention this in the video, sadly my Airbus TCA gear selector interferes with it so would not allow me to select it off. I’ll adjust the bindings for future streams!
@@320SimPilot I bound my TCA to have it toggle the gear on the switch. That way, I'll just flick it up and then down to toggle the gear state and use the mouse to select OFF. It also solved a weird bug where the plane would make strange sounds whenever I right click to look around with the default binding and gear selected up. Hopefully, I can find a more elegant solution, but it is hard since the hardware switch registers a constant button push on the gear up position.
Great video as always! I think that pmdg should have brought the 737 to xplane. Msfs feels more like a game than a simulator. (I have no idea how a real aiplane handles by the way don't shoot me)
I mean PMDG themselves stated that MSFS has a bright future and the handling in the sim are even more realistic than any other sim they have developed on. They also already stated that we wont see a X-Plane release anytime at all or any future products for who knows why. This is all coming from them, a lot of people call this sim a “game” but it’s mainly because Asobo doesn’t put out study level aircrafts and many 3rd party devs are still getting some of the quirks figured out. However as you can see, the SDK is maturing even more and still has a bit to go, but if PMDG and Just Flight including Leonardo can bring their previous fully functional study level aircrafts already, then you can’t knock this one out. Having flown the 172 all my training so far, the new CFD system they brought out bring the flying of the 172 pretty close to how a real world one flies so physics are improving and I see more improvements coming soon as this sim has 8 more years of support coming up.
737 no doubt, but don't forget PMDG plans on releasing the -8 -9 and -6 at later points, so you can always wait until then... the leonardo is a good plane systems wise, but no way compares to the visuals of the PMDG (and PMDG said they will be continued work on the textures that are not up to par just yet. happy flying.
Ended up buying this aircraft after watching this video, so excited to learn it. I hope we can get some detailed tutorials or learn by watching some streams
The eyebrow windows were for improved visibility during tight turns. They were a pain when not in use as they allowed lots of sunlight in to the cockpit, so much so, that pilots would cover them up with charts and checklists! They were removed eventually due to improvements with systems like TCAS, and to reduce the amount of maintenance required for the aircraft.
Why don't Boeing just install a shade? You know, like a shade slider that the passenger windows get. That way pilots can just open and close the eyebrow windows when needed.
@@NeoKingArthur There would be nothing stopping them from a technical standpoint, however, it's not a feature that's in high demand anymore so I doubt that there would be a financial argument for Boeing to provide the option. In many cases, aircraft manufactured with the eyebrow windows have had them removed, indicating that operators would rather not have to deal with their issues.
Back in the day, they were called "vision-in-a-turn" windows. They were particularly useful when the PF was turning toward the side opposite of his own side in the cockpit (capt doing a right turn, or copilot doing a left turn), when the ground is all one could really see when looking out over the other pilot's side window, because the airplane is banked. The eyebrow windows helped the pilots look "up" and see the horizon in the direction the airplane was going during a turn.
Nobody uses dome lights for takeoff.
Ah, the Olympic Airways. Brings me back some childhood memories. Although they have never operated the 737-700, they have operated the 732, 733 and 734. They were also pretty loyal Boeing customers, as they have flown the 707, 717, 720, 727 and 747, along with some A300s and A340s. I mean the attention to detail is almost mindblowing, as the pretend registration of this aircraft (SX-BZB) corresponds with the company's pattern. They used SX-Axx for single engined aircraft, SX-Bxx for two engined, SX-Cxx for three engined and SX-Dxx for four engined aircraft. The only exceptions were found at the 747s, whose registrations were SX-OAA to SX-OAE, as those were the initials of Olympic Airways and also the company founder's Onassis Aristotelis.
To get the gear lever to work with the TCA quadrant levers, change the "Gear Up" bind to activate with the same button used for "Gear Down" but make sure to change the input type from "On press" (which is the default) to "On release" for the gear up. The logic being that with gear up, there is no longer a constant button press command going to the sim telling it to raise the gear. The gear will then go up when you release the button (i.e. lifting the lever up) for gear down. This then allows you to click the gear to "off" on the flight deck (and click back to "up" when on approach)
For the throttles, use the same 0-100% axes as for FBW, but change the neutral point to around 55-60%. This should give you full reverse action on the same axis.
It's the same with the Honeycomb Bravo Quadrant, setting the gear lever as 'on release' rather than 'on press'. This is also the reason for the 'I am not sure what that rumble noise is' mentioned in the video @32:52. I used to have that rumble noise until I fixed the gear lever mapping. In my case I also had nose wheel failure to extend when coming into land on most flights. When that happened I had to open the access flap on the floor between the 2 pilots, behind the pedestal, and pull the middle red handle to manually drop the nose gear.
Be aware on mapping the gear lever, that even though you map the buttons to 'on release', there is EVERY chance that when you validate it, it actually resets to 'on press'. So you need to go back into the setting and reselect 'on release'. You should be good to go now.
But the TCA throttle quadrant doesn't have a "gear down" button. The gear lever is a switch that registers as a button being held down when it is on the up position.
There's actually a TOGA switch worked into the MCP, under the course selector bug, to the left of the captain's flight director switch, and right next to the little screw on the bottom left there... instead of fidgeting around to get the right camera view to press it on the throttle quadrant... makes it easier and more convenient on take off! try it next time! can't wait for streams with this plane.
Yes that shortcut has been there for many many years and should be well known.
@@johnknapp952 well if you watched the video, you would have see him fidgeting for the switch on the throttles, so I just wanted to point it out incase he didn't know.
@@johnknapp952 Yeah but he's an Airbus pilot ....... 😜
I'd love to see you try a challenge stream with this. Crank up the PMDG random system failures with no limit and see if you can get the plane back to the ground safely.
I literally cannot wait for your fenix video 🔥🔥
Great review. One note on this and your other Boeing videos: Vapp should be Vref+5, plus wind corrections, not Vref, as you have it. You notice your pitch is a tad high on the approach as a result of not adding the 5kts.
Thanks for watching and for the info! Glad you enjoyed it, I’ll take that into account for future videos (although in my next video I do the same as this but it is already filmed ;) )
@@320SimPilot It’s one of those Boeingisms. Imagine the fun, though, of Ye Olde Days, when you’d have to worry about switching from one AT regime to another; or toggling ALT-Hold on and off. Mode confusion is bad enough now. (Then again, the danger was more explicit then. Now, it’s merely insidious.)
You do a good job of talking viewers through such things.
So does V1, who shares with you the A320 habit of flaring too high in the squat, unlovely 73-must be nice up there on those taller Airbus landing gear. :)
I am waiting for the -800, thanks for the review
I'm so happy with the PMDG 737-700. The best $70 I've spent!
The flight model still needs some tweaking and feels a bit too stable, but it's nice to have a decent module or 2 at long last for FS2020
The systems, textures and model are nice! But man, the sounds are splendid. That FMC is oddly satisfying
The zibo 737 sounds are quite a bit better
I hate to sound negative but PMDG are just not bringing anything new to the simulation landscape. It's the same old (good) thing but nothing innovative. It's a big yawn fest for me and I am going to wait until they start doing new stuff.
Great video! So glad I found your channel. When in drone view, how do you move around so fluidly?
Xbox controller and showcase camera mode 👌 at least that's how I do it.
* on PC, that's all I use the controller for
Hey cap, great video! I think the weather radar data from asobo has been confirmed to become available in sim update 10!
08:08 - That was a temporary static port, used in new in new models before instruments are calibrated for the ports in their proper locations.
That was one of the best reviews on any aircraft I have seen. Whilst we have the PMDG 737 on other flight sims, you managed to review it as a new aircraft on a new platform. Well done, I learnt a bit today and will practice the lessons you have passed on. Thank you mate.
Incredibly kind, thank you! Glad you enjoyed it and I hope you enjoy the 737!
I could watch your videos and listen to you all day long, massive thanks for this it really helps
I can't decide to buy pmdg 737 800 or A320 Fenix till pmdg 777 comes out...
Cracking video as ever @320 Sim Pilot, many thanks! PMDG have done an amazing job and it will hopefully only get better. We are so lucky to have all of these great sims at the moment! Thanks again 👍
I have the PMDG 737-900, and the FBW A320NX. Anyone recommend one over the other to learn on first?
:)
Too bad the Great Olympic Airlines is not there anymore... Used to do xatlantic flights too... A340's
thks for the vid ! 'Houston, we have lift off' (5000 feet per minute) : - ) .... nice way to keep the passengers in their seat !
I start my new job on monday, chauffering flight crew between heathrow and gatwick in an executive coach 😁
Good luck with the new job! Thanks for watching
@@320SimPilot thanks!
You can also press toga on the screw in the autopilot.
Now for the 747 and the 777 😁i've loved this aircraft since FSX days
Finally is here! Is here!!
I really like the addon, the fast trim sound bug needs to be fixed soon though, not sure how that was missed/fixed before release.
I also hope to have a EFB and a working cockpit door and windows soon :D
Agreed on the trim bug, kind of makes it confusing at times thinking you might have a runaway trim at times. They did says the EFB is being worked on, so hopefully it can come very soon
Would love to have the windows open! A great perk of a front seat on these machines. Thanks for watching as ever!
@@pilot.sergio4 yeah everytime as soon as you take of its very immersion breaking. Yup all in works, just hope we get them soo. Ive kind of started using the FO's CDU as EFB for now lol
@@ElitistMagi also the other thing for me is I fly with a Xbox controller and every time when I try to taxi with rudders, the rudder snaps to neutral when I full deflect left or right. When I try to use like 50 or 75% of rudder it twitches back and forth making taxing uneasy. I posted on the forums but no acknowledgement from PMDG yet.
@@320SimPilot I know! Coming from the Maddog I was actually pretty bummed about not being open the Windows and the cockpit door haha
i do hope they fix radar for weather sometime soon
Wow, very powerful climb even at 20 degrees. Wonder how true to life that is... Thanks for the vid, as ever, thoroughly enjoyable and informative
Thanks for watching David, glad you liked it! Yes it has very good climb performance but I am using TOGA thrust instead of the usual de rate, plus a low weight in order to be able to land back again immediately, so I imagine it’s pretty realistic for the -700!
@@320SimPilot Thanks for that, makes sense now you've explained. I've flown on all kinds over the years and noticed some marked differences on take off particularly. Delta 767.... slow spool up and long run before lifting off. A330.... slow spool up also but very planted if you know what I mean. Ryanair 737-800.... Fast and furious lol. Easyjet A319/A320 (not sure if A320N or not).... best of all, powerful and smooth. The most noticeable difference to me between a Boeing and an Airbus is an Airbus FEELS smoother. Don't know if the wings are made to a higher quality but there's a definite difference in ride. Like a Ford Fiesta vs. Mercedes. Anyway, thanks again, maybe one day I'll be a passenger of yours and I'll think..... hang on, I know that voice! lol. Best - David
@@DavidValentine2017 bus is fly by wire, so computer is making lots of little adjustments, although the Boeing has a similar "control wheel steering" option, it is rarely used.
Thanks for the video as ever @320 Sim Pilot 🙂
You’re welcome Haden and of course thanks for watching!
Honestly I'm surprised that they modeled Air Starts. As it's not something you think about doing in a sim since unless you say otherwise you APU works perfectly. Gotta try it when I learn more of this Aircraft lol.
Nice landing as always! Those spoilers and wings look amazing. Looking forward for the A32NX wing textures update in progress by FBW.
Come on Mr pilot, there is a trade in resolution that PMDG had to consider,,,otherwise you would be complaining now about FPS...it is pretty narcissistic (well i don't mean that..but since was the word that came to my head i wil not delete it) , not even a perfectionist would call out these 0.001% of details that aren't 100% perfect as you move the camera so close that will fill up your screen, as a pilot myself i just take all my hats off including my baldness to PMDG for the perfection on detail...surely i will not be droning at full screen the landing lights or the engine cone. i just have to thank PMDG for doing something that i own now for a lifetime for a price of a pair of shoes. I have no words to say how exited i really am to have this aircraft on my library. Aside that i have to say I'm your fan, and you have taught me a lot on the airbus, and for that i will take my hat once again to you. Sorry my English, Portuguese Pilot and Musician here, keep the good videos!
Thanks for sharing! Indeed I couldn't help but point them out but hopefully my overall impression shown in the video is that this is an excellent add on. I even specify that you are unlikely to notice these things without a drone, so I do agree with you. Thanks for watching and for your comment!
Also please do tell me how you get your replay camera angles after landing...thank you.
I have bookmarked this for future reference.
Thanks for stopping by!
I kinda like the lack of EFB. I hope that if they add it, they allow disabling it.
Thanks , the best review so far, not too short , not long but showing everything that would matter initially!
That’s my lunch time video sorted! Thanks as always 320.
Thank you. Looking forward to lots more. Was hoping that you would do tutorials on the 737. Great news.
Out of interest, what controller do you use to control your drone movements...the way the views translate are very smooth?
Why you approach at the Vref speed??? You should add some wind correction speed. At least 5 knots.
Well he is an Airbus pilot and that is done automatically for you. You fly at VAPP speed and don’t have to manually add on 5 knots
Thank you for the video, this really interests me. Long time no see, greetings
The eyebrow windows were used in the past to get a better directional view when the aircraft banks. This add-on is really great
At night, the cockpit is just beautiful.
Feels like 50 years older than an A320
8:08 Pssst! That cone on the tail is a camera. 😉
So excited for this to come out on Xbox
That was pure butter...
Pmdg attention to detail is second to none, really is. Been using PMDG in FSX days. Look forward to 737max when it arrives in FS2020.. It will be great when they integrate the EFB..FYI Asobo plan the release the weather API to 3rd party plane developers in SU10.. Planned release anyway..
wait.They will release max as well?
@@Flightsimmovies sure will Mate. Robert from PMDG in a interview few weeks ago. Said "all 737 variants will be developing including the Max." The Max will be the last variant to develop due to cockpit layout being very different.. Probably won't see that till end of the year..
737 SimPilot ??????
Love the livery!
I guess you should have placed the landing gear handle in the OFF position (it's in the checklist). But a nice video anyway :)
Thanks for watching! I mention this in the video, sadly my Airbus TCA gear selector interferes with it so would not allow me to select it off. I’ll adjust the bindings for future streams!
@@320SimPilot I see. Many great videos on your channel, I'm sure there will be many more worth watching! :)
@@320SimPilot I bound my TCA to have it toggle the gear on the switch. That way, I'll just flick it up and then down to toggle the gear state and use the mouse to select OFF. It also solved a weird bug where the plane would make strange sounds whenever I right click to look around with the default binding and gear selected up.
Hopefully, I can find a more elegant solution, but it is hard since the hardware switch registers a constant button push on the gear up position.
Never thought I would be saying this but this looks of lower quality than Fenix.
Great video as always! I think that pmdg should have brought the 737 to xplane. Msfs feels more like a game than a simulator. (I have no idea how a real aiplane handles by the way don't shoot me)
I mean PMDG themselves stated that MSFS has a bright future and the handling in the sim are even more realistic than any other sim they have developed on. They also already stated that we wont see a X-Plane release anytime at all or any future products for who knows why. This is all coming from them, a lot of people call this sim a “game” but it’s mainly because Asobo doesn’t put out study level aircrafts and many 3rd party devs are still getting some of the quirks figured out.
However as you can see, the SDK is maturing even more and still has a bit to go, but if PMDG and Just Flight including Leonardo can bring their previous fully functional study level aircrafts already, then you can’t knock this one out. Having flown the 172 all my training so far, the new CFD system they brought out bring the flying of the 172 pretty close to how a real world one flies so physics are improving and I see more improvements coming soon as this sim has 8 more years of support coming up.
Trying to decide between this and the md80
737 no doubt, but don't forget PMDG plans on releasing the -8 -9 and -6 at later points, so you can always wait until then... the leonardo is a good plane systems wise, but no way compares to the visuals of the PMDG (and PMDG said they will be continued work on the textures that are not up to par just yet. happy flying.
Ended up buying this aircraft after watching this video, so excited to learn it. I hope we can get some detailed tutorials or learn by watching some streams
Maddog flys better than this. Its a little overpriced but true to reality
Has it realistic physics?
Nope real life has it.
Misleading
Correct. Too much nit-picking from you.