Making Mohg Matter, Mohg's Lore post Elden Ring DLC
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- Here's my two cents on how Shadow of the Erdtree changed Mohg's lore so much more than just 'him beating the alligation'.
The DLC almost had me pull out my sociology degree to do some proper analysis but I had too many thoughts that I just needed to get out somewhere so here it is.
The clips were all screenrecorded from my PS5 thus the quality
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"I swear it. Lord Mohg will have his dignity." - Ansbach, and now us all
Friendship with mogh haters ended. Friendship with mogh understanders started
Nah you don't speak for all
@@cosseybomb charmed behavior
Let's not downplay Ansbach's loyalty to Mohg, he didn't JUST try to fight an Empyrean, he challenged a whole ass GOD and his lord alongside you JUST for his lord's dignity
And not JUST a pureblood knight but the CAPTAIN of the pureblood knights (I forgot to mention that in the video) Ansbach might be one of my favourite fromsoft npcs ever
@@Paspayait’s also said by Leda he managed to deal significant damage to Miquellas flesh, which is the coolest shit ever
Almost like that’s how a cult works
@@Tokyoprism By that logic a good chunk of the worlds militaries are cults, risking death for the honor of one’s country
"Ahh, I can see it, clear as day! The coming of my verdict! NOT GUUUUILTYYYYY!"
Can't wait for Turnabout Mohgwyn in the next Ace Attorney game
Out of all characters in the entire game, the most reasonable man worked for Mohg.
Sometimes you just gotta BLOOOD FOR THE BLOOOD GOD ya know
@@pieV3000 and maybe some skulls for the skull throne.
@@pieV3000 40k?
@@pieV3000 "We all have blood, so we're basically the same."
@@elconflictivo7099Bro Khorne is in Fantasy too 😂
A couple extra points I want to make:
Morgott obviously was aware of Mohg, considering they were brothers that grew up in the same sewer, but he famously *doesn't* declare Mohg a "willful traitor" when you fight him. And the choice of words means he could feel that Mohg couldn't be a "traitor" because he never was in a position to swear loyalty to the Golden Order in the first place... or it could be because Mohg's actions are not WILLFUL in the first place.
There's also the popular theory that Mohg and Morgott set aside their differences to set up a layered defense against anyone reaching the Three Fingers, since Morgott's life force preserves a barrier and Mohg has an illusion of himself there if anyone gets past it. Considering Morgott's unflinching loyalty to the Golden Order, it really says something if the two did find common ground and act for the collective wellbeing of everyone in the Lands Between.
Lastly, it's very damning that Miquella's plan explicitly *required* that Mohg die to serve as a vessel for Radahn's soul. And I'm personally of the belief that, due to that need, Miquella intentionally had Mohg be as horrible and monstrous as possible to make him as many enemies in the Lands Between as possible in the hopes that someone would eventually kill him.
ohhh that's a good point, Miquella laying out bait to make sure people would come for Mohg is really interesting. The formless Mother definitely had some part to play but the whole drenching Miquellas cocoon in blood thing probably wasn't just random either.
As for the illusion I find both interpretations come with interesting implications, either Mohg and Morgott worked together which I would love to see because as you said it would diviate from Morgotts main 'thing' of being extremely loyal to the golden order. Or Morgott created the Illusion of Mohg, which is why it's called Mohg the Omen and not Lord of Blood, but that would Imply that Morgott has at least seen Mohg in his full Lord of Blood Attire with spear and everything.
(I know that it's most likely because it's a reused asset but it's still fun to think about it like this)
@@Paspaya The Mohg illusion is probably not Morgott's though, simply because all of Morgott's illusory selves you can fight don't spawn if you skip them and kill his real elf first.
Unless he was really banking as much of his illusion/projection power into that one.
If you are implying that Miquella was the instigator of Mohgs banishment to the sewers, then that raises some interesting questions.
Pretty sure he doesn't site Mohg during his intro cutscene because Mohg was not among those sitting at the side of the Elden Lord and the base of the Erdtree. Mohg was not among those who were supposed to watch over the throne.
@@dearcastiel4667Even so, established council or not, it would be a little strange for Morgott not to add a couple chairs for himself and his brother. It’s not like anyone in the Lleyndell public would know, it doesn’t really seem like anyone’s aware of what takes place on the Elden Throne platform.
Maybe Morgott decided he would just stand instead. And made the same choice for his brother in his absence, lol.
the craziest thing about Ansbach is that he actually came close to beating Miquella, he was actually able to wound him before his heart was stolen
He failed to dodge his grab attack. Can't believe a warrior like Ansbach get his ass groomed by a twink😢😢😢
You, who are a sad human, are capable of slaughtering dragons and you are surprised that an old man is capable of almost killing a demigod.
I never understood how the power scales work in the Souls saga.
@elconflictivo7099 Miq was infamously a weak empyrean because he was eternally a child, without his charming powers he wasn't really a threat.
When mohg and morgott were in sewers i always imagined morgott blame himself and mohg blame the world, morgott wearing his rags like he deserves them, mohg finding trash and making himself a robes, mohg always desired to be noble, then he found formless mother and decidet to "show 'em!" he collected a band of misfits and started roleplaying as lords, nobles and knights in hope that if their crackhead plan succeedes they will have them recognized, but also actually enjoying calling eachother those titles as proof that they went through a lot together as a group, and later a cult. I think he really cared for his nobles and knights, he really wanted to be their lord and a good one, good for a group of bloodthirsty satanists but still. I don't think that he ever was good, but he was wholesome to his evil gang.
His "evil gang" are the collective people alive like ansbach buy when mohg was enchanted he then hired pure evil shits
I think Mohg never did nearly as much bad as a lot of the other groups. A lot of his sanguine nobels are omens, judging by the horns sticking out of their robes, so he provided a sanctuary for both the (gen 2) albinaurics and omen, which Miquella failed to. Mohg doesn't brainwash his followers. Mohg doesn't persecute anyone for their species, but their allegiances.
Still a bad guy, but better than most.
@@EdOfSchmed I always assumed the sanguine nobles were people that grew horns by taking in Mohgs blood, like the red albinaurics also have horns.
Also interesting is the fact that the three highest ranked members of his group are lacking the trident brand. That being Ansbach captain of the pureblood knights, Esgar priest of blood and Eleonora the violet bloody finger. This might mean that the practice of branding the bloody fingers started after Miquella controlled Mogh.
The heel-face turn this DLC pulled for Mohg is a fantastic case of completely justified narrative whiplash
You cant be a face if your entire dynasty is blood soaked sorry
@@kayhaich I agree with you, but you gotta realize what Mogh was actually trying to do with his moghwyn dynasty. Varré makes it (socially not optimally communicated) clear that the intent is to cut yourself loose from the oppressive golden order by eliminating its agents of oppression. Preventing golden order prospects from becoming lord and empiwering those who are oppressed.
Mogh kinda leads a gurillia war against the golden order, similar to what rykard does. Just with different goals. Rykard wants to devour everything and does not plan to free anyone from their fates. Meanwhile Mogh tries to empower those who had a similar fate to him and create a nieche for them in the world. A dynasty under a lord who is untouchable.
The mother of truth protects those who are abused by taking in all their abuse for herself. It craves a wound. Much like jesus who died on the cross to absolve the world of its sins the mother of truth takes in all the abuse of the world to free those who worship her from it.
Of course the way the he goes about it is wrong but we do not know in how far miquella has manipulated mogh to make himself into a villain, so that people would WANT to kill him - to advance his own goals.
Might be tha moghs original plan involved way less of the whole murdering innocent people and more of the freeing the surpressed from their shackles.
Might even be that this is how miquella stole his heart in the first place. By presenting himself as someone who tries to do the same thing make a place for everyone. But with the crucial difference that he doesn't want people to choose that fate for themselves
@@HeadChaos0.63super impressive analysis. Extra impressive for a comment buried within a comment. Hats off to you👏
You litrerally murder your maiden to join
@@kayhaichYou can’t be a face if your entire Order takes place in outer space and not earth, sorry.
…my point being, just as if something like Miquella’s Age were allowed as a possible valid order, along with every other possibility we can bring about, it’s not hard to imagine Mohg’s dynasty of blood as being not too dissimilar to someone like Dung Eater’s vision.
Solaire would be proud of ansbach, for he is a true sun bro. I can say with certainty, that of all the bosses I’ve fought in this series none had me lock in harder than seeing ansbach die for me.
Oh, and to add more salt to mogh’s tragedy - theirs theories that mogh was the “plan B” body for miquella’s consort. With “Plan A” being godwyn to combine with radahn to have a consort of the two nicest demigods, but ranni made that impossible by using half of the rune of death on herself.
Would make sense since in order to place Radahn in there Miquella had to 'forsake Mohg's soul' the exact thing that Godwyn doesn't need to worry about losing any more
Solaire is literally the archetype of a fool.
wait a damn MINUTE! this strengthens my theory of godwyn being in on it for his "assassination"
@@michaelj.jackson5592Bro wtf is wrong with you
I believe that Ansbach represents what Mohg was like before Miquella charmed him. I don’t believe a man like Ansbach would follow Mohg if he was always a crazed blood fiend. I believe Mohg really did want to create a new dynasty based on love and we can see that in the different types of people who reside in Mohg palace.
Something I believe (but that's even more in the headcanon territory) is that Ansbach was something like Mohg's right hand man
Dude You can be a honorable person and follow someone who is horrible he mostly just saw another side of mohg mohg is definitely not a good person
@@Thelastdragon215You have no way of probing that while we have several way of proving the opposite lol
You have any example of a good person following an awful leader btw ??? Never happened as far as I know.
I refuse to believe that. It makes Mohg so much less interesting
@@Ron_Jambo_ ohh you don’t clearly know who George rr Martin is the person who helped create Elden ring who wrote his own version of the characters first off the Elden ring sample sir Edgar was a honorable man who served godrick the golden a disgusting person and the fire knight who served Messmer they wanted to protect the hornsent civilization instead of destroying it all and Godwyn who was a kind person and love his siblings and he was loyal to his mother and served her loyalty now we can also look at George rr Martin characters sir Arthur Dayne who served prince rhaegar honorably, even though rhaegar was not a good person , sir barristan another good honorable old man like sir ansbach and he served his king the made king loyal because of honor and duty I can keep on going name loyal honorable knight who fought for horrible people
It's nice to finally see a face of Mohg's organization that was more than just a collection of blood crazed lunatics and creepy recruiters. Ansbach is absolutely my favorite NPC in all of Elden Ring.
He stands out though for a reason, I'm not gonna lie. It's important to remember that a lot of Mohg's followers are attracted to his ideology because they ... are crazed killers who just really want to shed blood incessantly. As can be seen by all the Bloody Fingers we meet such as Okina, Eleanora, Nerijus, and Nerijus' clone in the Consecrated Snowfield.
I will say, I love the Mohg faction drip. Black Gold Red is such a power combo.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was on purpose, it even plays into the enchantment. In the lands between we were lead to believe Mohg and his dynasty were a bunch of blood crazed lunatics sitting underground waiting for an age that would never come, but in the land of shadow our first run in with the Mohgwyn dynasty is a calm, level headed old man that paints Mohg in a brand new light
@@thomasdevlin5825"he was nice to us, once he strapped 50 albinaurics to a table and let us butcher them, a kind lord, truly remarkable, wholesome, he never said a bad word about baby blood sacrificing satanists that served him, he gave my friend a title of a noble and told him he will get eastern limgrave WHEN we take over, oh lord Mogh you truly are the blood saint" - of course one of the first followers of Mogh would have only good things to say about him, he promised them a world and treated the bunch of scumbags from criminal underworld of lands between as nobles. I don't believe its a lie that they are all blood crazed lunatics, it is true and it is also true they can be chummy and wholesome with eachother. He could literally come up to you and say "I'm old and nice so my lord couldn't have been so bad, help me and sign this petition to have my fake title recognised pls" and you would fall for it. He respects you because you are by that point in the game a big name in the lands between, not because he believes in human right. I don't like people overcorrecting mogh and his satanist to be asckhtually 🤓 good guys.
@@10hawellDo you think what you envision when you imagine Mohg’s “Order of Blood”, that it’s something less sensible than Dung Eater’s ending? Just as an example.
Also, the Mohg-Godfrey connection was something I never thought of, and its interesting as a further debasement of both Mohg and Radahn. One thing to note is that Freya, despite finding out the truth thanks to Ansbach's help, *chooses to side with Leda when all the cards are down*. She justifies this by saying that Miquella would give Radahn's warrior spirit exactly what he desired: endless battle. The precise quote I think is "...endless war to invigorate the soul." Just something to chew on.
She disagrees with Jehren that Radahn doesn't want a warriors death bit eternal conflict.
True, but given her helmet's description I think there's also an arguement that Freyja is still under a compelling snare of Miquella's; she was personally healed and guided by the young empyrean even before the charming of those who followed him to the Land of Shadows. Could it be that she still feels that pull and is seeking to justify it after the fact, like Ansbach gave reason for him following the crosses until the fog of his mind was lifted.
Morgott always struck me as the most honorable character we encounter in the base game. Now with the dlc revelations and base game lore it seems Mohgs should also be held in some esteem. He was a victim not a victimizer.
Miquella: Brings Radahn back to life and cures his Scarlet Rot
Malenia: 😑
Miquella is cursed with eternal youth, but that would only be a curse if he's also not allowed to learn, change, and grow as a person.
That could mean, that we are really just dealing with an eternally 8 year old with mindcontrol powers, which could explain why his entire plan seems so childish.
If I just stop everyone from fighting and make them love me, all will be fine!!
Also, Miquella would not be familiar with anyone ever saying 'no' to him.
To me it seems like Radahn was the only person who ever did right that. And then he basically fled to the other side of the known world away from Miquella I mean, Calid is as far as one could get from the Haligtree. Miquella has to send out his sick and dying/rotting sister, who is completely devoted to him and most likely also controlled by him, to get him his toy back and doesn't care at all what happens to her after that.
I think it's quite telling that through the whole story, Radahn doesn't have a voice.
We never learn his thoughts of or what he said to Miquella.
And poor Mohg wasn't ever seen as a person at all by him.
He was just so convenient to use.
I love the DLC since it gives us a whole cast of alive and mostly sane people to interact with.
But it also makes me sad.
Miquelly violated and wronged both of his brothers in so many unforgivable ways.
Rest in piss, honestly :/
Yes! I like this angle so much more than the 'he was an all evil manipulative mastermind this whole time' one. God's and demigods are never so simple or one-note in Soulsborne lore and it's way more terrifying to have someone with so much power but the mind of a naive child
Ansbach: Excuse me, Lord Mohg. Why does Paspaya call you "Baby Girl"?
Mohg: Okay. How about we stop talking for awhile.
I personally belive that Muquella wanted to gain support from the hornsent who don't support the golden order as well as the bloodfiends through radahn and mogh. He could make radahn into the horned lion delivered from higer spheres using moghs horns.
Similar to how during some of its history christianity incorporated the heathen gods of germanic tribes as angels and demons to gain their support and to make them more willing to submit to itself.
Also i bet that "vow" that was made was something that radahn thought to be impossible like: hah ill be your consort if you can make me godfreys son and malenia can beat me in battle
Oh god the comparison to Christianity and the heathen gods is perfect !!! you're giving me even more Ideas to think about ohno...
I always believed that Mohg was required due to his Omen nature and his connection to the Crucible which was known for blending all forms of live together - perhaps because of this it is easier for Miquella to insert another mans soul into his corpse
as for his Morals:
I think Mohg is just as Grey as all of his family is - not a saint but not a monster either
there might have been a time were when Mohg was sound of Mind - truly the Luminary with Stength, Vision and Love as Varré calls to him, after all he did manage to gather followers from all over
When you consider that despite his lineage he was banned to live in a sewer for his nature, there was never anything else for him, he could either trot down the path of self loathing like his brother did or do as he did, embrace his nature, wallow in the filth he was born into and make something of it.
In a way his goals seem like a more grotesque version of the Age of Compassion with a Dynasty founded on Grandeur, bombastness and Blood, but at the same time inviting in Creatures from all over and bestowing his blessing onto them
Under a broken Golden Order and the Shaky Guidance of the Two Fingers I imagine Mohg must have seemed like a Charismatic Alternative
There is an unused voice Line for Mohg were - likely upon his death - he asks: "Miquella, why do you abandon me?" implying as if Miquella invited him to the Haligtree, perhaps offering Collaboration in his enedeavors to act the Part of God for him to Rule as the Lord and Consort, but then cutting all communication, leaving Mohg disparing and possibly turning into the Blood Obsessed Maniac he is today, frantically searching for a way to invoke a response from Miquella
if this is truly the case, then Miquella not only abandoned the people of Caelid and left them to their fates by sending Malenia there to duke it out with Radahn, but also gave up the Haligtree and all the people he had led and congregated there, alongside the Albinaurics who are now stuck at Ordina or have wandered off to the Moghwyn Dynasty palace
We kind of know a bit about Mohg from before he was likely charmed, when he embraced his curse.. But that is about it. Probably a figure that helped people embrace themselves after facing rejection; similar to what the formless mother did for him.
Basically Mogh pre charm was what Miquella claims to want.
I feel a clown being the lord of frenzied flame when Ser Ansbach say his final words, i cant take that ending anymore.
It makes the Goldmask ending even more sound, the mending rune states that it severs the power of "Gods as fickle as men" and that fits with his final line "Become our Lord, not for Gods... but for men."
Never played Elden Ring but was still really fun to watch #JusticeForMohg
I'm so glad you enjoyed it!!! :)
Its funny how mohg went from "Greater-demon" or whatever in the file names, to the bridge between the major dlc and main storyline
The Mohglester was actually the Miquellested? Oh sh@t I think I just got it. He needed Mohg's specifically because of the formless mother. Her tie to the people in the land of shadow is what brings you there. Because she is formless, she has immaterial ties between the seal Marika made.
Now son were did he touch you. Mohg slowly points the dolls heart.
It may go even deeper. Miquella may have stolen and destroyed Mohg's god-given destiny. Consider the reason why the Formless Mother or whatever entity gave Mohg the ability to enter the Shadowlands. Mohg could be a savior of the Shadowlands. Not only is he a being the Hornsent would revere as holy and he already possesses an army and is willing to recruit from multiple races, he is opposed to the Golden Order and Marika personally. Also, given he is of Marika's bloodline and a master of blood magicz he could possibly activate the Divinity Gate for himself. Who needs the Two Finger's to just give you Divinity when you can just take it for yourself? Just imagine Mohg the liberator and his forces fighting Messmer the Impaler and his armies. That is the story Miquella's desire for a nation of brainwashed love zombies cheated us of.
Ansbach being such an honorable paragon plus the fact that he was one of Mohg's most trusted and highest ranking subordinates makes me strongly believe that before Miquella enchanted him, Mohg was much more righteous and less corrupted by bloodlust. I imagine he may have been closer in temperament to his brother Morgott.
You don't get called Luminary for nothing
I don't like the idea, i think he was blood satanist edgelord hanging around criminals and calling them nobles. He maybe was a good gang leader and soul of the company like french king partying in Versailles with his nobles or a Penguin from Batman. But he still probably ate newborns for dinner. There's no proof that Ansbach wasn't a blood drinking satanist under Mohg. I can easily imagine Mohg enjoying company of eloquent freaks who validated with their presence his lordship and helped him cope with his inferiority complex.
I love the subtle references in the final fight, extremely subtle. The horns on Radahn and Radahn randomly doing bloodflame attacks. Although I have never considered that, he allowed Radahn to carry mohgs treats. I saw it as mohg breaking threw and fighting for control. Then again, my character is a filthy bloodflame worshiper and bleed/poison user, so there is some favoritism for mohg fighting back lol.
I just assumed that Miquella was too powerful for Mohg to still come through but to be fair if I admit that I like your interpretation almost more than my own I'd undermine this whole video but as you can see from my tarnished I made them into a Mohgwyn dynasty follower as well 😂 So thankful for the Greaves and Gauntlets of solitude that give me 51 poise whilst wearing the sanguine noble outfit
I find it ironic that Miquella "saw kindness and strength" in Radanh, and sought to use Mohg's body to reincarnate him into an ideal body to represent the oppressed of the Golden Order, but straight up just... Ignored what Mohg already did. It speaks volumes to his biased view of the world.
Mohg not only made a place where those who were wronged by the Golden Order could live in peace, blessed by a mother who genuinely loved them for their "accursed" nature, but also was seeking for an age where men could live for themselves, and not for any god. Hell, there's a real possibility that he helped Morgott contain the Three Fingers, seeing as there's an illusion of him in the same style of Margit right before the pit leading to the Three Fingers. Mohg really was a kind and strong leader, already filled with the characteristics that Miquella desired for a lord, but part of me just cannot stop wondering if Miquella, ironically enough, only saw the shell of Mohg: a demonic monstrosity of curly horns, sharp teeth, worshipping a blood goddess. On the same vein, he never saw deep within Radanh, because if he did, he would have known that Radanh was ultra loyal to the Golden Order, and would have likely seen Miquella's plan as blasphemous.
Miquella failed in his age of compassion plan from the start by not understanding anyone deeply other than himself.
yes yes yES YES!!!
It was his lack of compassion ultimately, that doomed his Age of such.
Mohg comitted the worst crime you can in fiction : being ugly.
Ofc the femboy would see him as trash.
He doesnt even understand himself, he had to cast out his self love (st trina) just to commit to the bit.
Mohg didn’t create a place where they could live in peace. He was luring the albs through a one-way portal so they’d be trapped & fed upon by the crows lol how can you possibly get it so wrong. He’s the lord of blood, he demands blood sacrifice of his denizens
YO hear me out
What if the satanic bloody vibes were intentional
Like Miquella needed someone (us) motivated enough to kill Mohg, my pre-dlc routine was Okay I'll kill Radahn because poor fella, Rykars he's a snake fart smella, and Mohg because he's ugh mohglester, the magic milf is alright, the bear witness nah, melania blade of michael is not worth the effort
What if Mohg said "Yo Varre go find someone who likes killing and who's really GOOD with it and reward them with this medal"
"Aye why"
"Idk just for lulz"
"Lol aight"
"🔥🔥🔥"
"🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻"
What if Varre was part of the plan, he literally gives you the teleport to dlc, and who knows maybe the other white masks were intended to be promoters with the same goal but they did not endure it
What if the whole Mohg's crew were brainwashed
And then again, when Varre gives you fingers you don't have to actually kill someone or even use all of them (I have tested, 3 times us enough), Varre is like "Cool you have invaded people, oh you did not kill anybody, that's alright, a voice in my head says you're fine enough" Even after then you don't have to kill anyone, you can use Irina's blood, or Vyke's maiden's blood, or that the nameless maiden at the starting location, still counts "The voice in my head says that if you are that smart you'll find a way to cheese a boss fight with Mohg, whatever that means, lambkin. By the way dont forget that you are maidenless and that im a sassy lil bich hope that wont give you more motivation to kill my goat friend"
Thank you for your video. It’s nice to re-explore the vanilla characters now we have new info from the DLC
Thank you for leaving a comment! Love the Sanguinius profile pic btw
i guess Miquella's ascension, how he assembled his pieces give us a glimpse on the lengths Marika went thru in hers. might be a clue as to how/why the golden order is tolerant and not sometimes. also the law of regression stuff.
True, it's also a really interesting when considering the Miquella and St Trina situation compared to Marika and Radagon, Miquella trying and failing to be different from Marika adds so much to her story as well
Mohgs body would also the only demi god body disconnected from the elden ring.
1) hes an omen
2) unlike his brother, Morgot: Mohg isnt blessed by grace.
Miquella likely saw Mohg an thought he would be the perfect vessel for his would be lord, since his following in his mothers footsteps and replacing the old order with something new
Gosh you were valid when you said both Radhan and Mohg got disrespected. #theygotMiquellested
I know some people think it was consensual (I dont think it was) but tbh even if it was, I highly doubt that this was what Radahn had in mind
@@Paspaya Radahn literally lived as far as possible from the haligtree when we find him, plus if he's in on the plot he has no reason to fight Malenia while trying to win. Personally, I see almost 0 chance Radahn was a willing follower.
I never put much consideration to how disrespectful Miquella is to what Mohg and Rahdahn stood for themselves. It's like Miquella only liked them as ideas rather than people.
This was a delightful "3am Discord call ramble" to listen to. Playing through Elden Ring a second time gave me a lot more time to think about my tarnished as a character and I really gravitated toward Mohg's dynasty just because of how, for a lack of better words, slipshod it seemed to be? Stuff like how Varré and surgeons like them were abducted and had the accursed blood forced upon them, their whole "recruitment" seeming so convoluted, how they were worshiping the Elden John statues just cause Mohg hijacked those ruins, all of the Albinaurics being there and how Varré's description of Mohg's aspiring dynasty kinda seemed to copy some of Miquella's aspirations with the Haligtree... yeah Shadow of the Erdtree was a wonderfully subversive way to expand upon a lot of those plot beats, and Ansbach was an incredible addition for a game of some already great characters.
Good stuff all around. Plenty of material to make my own tarnished's backstory even more richly bleak and depressing 😅
First of all I'm glad you enjoyed it! And yess so much of what we see of Mohg's dynasty is based on the environmental storytelling and it's all really intriguing, maybe that's another way in which it differs from the golden 'order'
This was such an well tought video and fun to watch.
Haven’t seen any video with this insight on moghs lore and also paying him so much respect to his name.
Well done :)
Thank You!
my favorite version of the intro is when the text says “allegations beaten”
I guess we all owe an apology to Mogh for being Miquellested.
I'm glad this video exist. There was plenty of foreshadowing about the promised consort, but some of the information you provided only added depth to the final revelation.
And yeah, that Mogh fanboy became one of my faves on Fromsoft catalogue. I thought we was an ally yo a villain until I got all the information. He deserves respect.
To me miquellla motivation is he's trying to become a philosopher's stone just like Marika. He actions is to mend and refine his state with radah. In dlc Miquellla is getting rid of his impurities and turning himself(from a salt base) into light solid gas state, while making refinement to Radah(strong metal alloy of red purple gold,maybe from a sulfur base) is to be solid to accept him(by use Mogh(arsenic,from a lead). In the end he succeeded. However, the renowned tarnish(from a mercury base or lesser material) beat them. Still the processes is disgusting due to the mature theme of the game. The rubis or philosopher stone wiki kind of help but it a stretch. All sf games are Cryptid and up to debate of key ideas. They are mostly about stagnation and regression.
Holy shit that's such a great concept! I think Crunchy and Ziostorm have some great videos about Elden Ring's connection to Alchemy so I'm curious to see if they'll pick up on that allegory
I can’t believe I’d ever feel bad for Mohg. But I do. To have your will and body stolen from you and used to further the ambitions of another. Miquella essentially did the same thing to Mohg that ranni did to godwyn. In the end, the gods and demi gods are no better than the rest of us. The fact that they scoff at the tarnished for being “bereft of grace “ yet see no issue with destroying the very souls of their own family members to assume control or seize power. Awful.
*_"ALLEGATIONS BEATEN"_*
It really makes you wonder what kind of Lord Mogh was originally going to be. In personality i mean. By all measures of Ansbach, who is considered a Pureblood Knight of Mogh's, is a noble, stoic man who wants to do the right thing.
Yeah and Ansbach was the commander of the pureblood knight's so most likely Mohg's right hand man based on how devoted he still is to him
I remember playing elden Ring and getting to the halig tree and feeling guilty, you kill a loyal knight who I think is an albinauric. You kill his rotting sister, and then when you finally think hey i could rescue this guy or they could be a good consort for completing the Elden Ring you find them dead, hand laying tragically out their vessel and some madman and his blood army standing right there--- you were too slow. I tried again and again thinking maybe there is a quest line to progress the story and stop Mohg from getting miquella but there wasn't. Then i started looking at his needles sold in the shops and i was like - woah wtf? This is likely a mistranslation since it's such an unpopular item, this is typical in souls games.
Nope you just find out miquella is a huge monster and even threw off St.Trina--- and that is complicated enough. Guess i can only really pity godwyn and maliketh who both just got used and disposed of.
I get you, I fought Malenia with a friend yesterday for the first time post DLC,
thinking that Miquella is unable to return to her and cure her because he was kidnapped is one thing and sad in it’s own right but him abandoning her there whilst she still holds onto hope that he’ll return and cure her is even worse. Especially because she’s still so loyal to him, the Blade of Miquella, and we don’t even know to which extend that was of her own volition or if she was also under his influence
“From Mohg-lester, to Mohg-lested” Jesus Christ lady
listen I was never a fan of the Mohg-lester joke (and I still find it uncomfortable) but I spent one too many nights on Reddit reading through Mohg posts and it just snuck in 😭
@@Paspaya don’t get me wrong, I thought it was hilarious! Awesome video!
With the details of the character faces unveiled by Zullie the Witch, the three foremost of Mogh's followers being Ansbach, Eloenora and Esgar all lack the trident brand. Almost all of the other bloody fingers have them with the exception of the nameless white masks. I think this might mean that Miquella was responsible for turning the pureblood knights into the bloody fingers and making them a group of rampaging murderers. On that note, Eleonora seems to have had a similar idea to Ansbach but sought to best Mogh to reach Miquella hence why she has the crystal tear that counters bloodboon.
I really love the idea of Miquella trying to appeal to the hornsent by using Mohg’s horned features. Miquella wishes to spread his compassion to everybody, but that brings up the question of “does everyone deserve compassion?”
Even those who tortured and flayed shamans, those who sealed a nomadic society underground, those who make a man suffer eternal torture on an unjust ruling, or those who hunt a group of people just to wear their skins and proudly display their deceased faces?
If Miquella is willing to forgive these monstrous acts, then what does that make him? Is that truly an act of kindness, even towards those who have gone through so much suffering at the hands of cruel people?
Considering miquella more than likely charmed the entirely of the mohgwyne dynasty it makes me think certain mohgwyne employees were more than likely attacking everybody for miquilla's blood sacrifice while others might have escaped my reasoning for this is the haligtree no one attacks one another despite different backgrounds and origins and it gives us a full scope of his charms abilities controlling ALL the inhabitants of the haligtree the oracles the ants the misbegotten the battle mages the spirit snales crystaliens revenants and his own soldiers another group that uses charms are the nox who charm the ants and when the charm is broken they fight each other so its not a stretch to say he likely charmed the entire dynasty with most likely okina being a possible exception
Perhaps when The Mother of Truth revealed herself to Mohg, she revealed truths to him, those truths about Marika and the formation of the Golden Order that we learned. He resides in one of the Lands Between's most ancient culture's ruins, and as was pointed out his entire shtick is overtly calling back the cultures Marika banished to the shadow realm. It makes me wonder if Miquella learned of the Realm of Shadows from Mohg, that at one point Miquella and Mohg were allies fighting for the downtrodden (such as the albinaurics who serve them both) before Miquella lost his damn mind. I sense that this might have been during the shattering, where he lost all hope that his Haligtree could offer the salvation he sought for the world, so he hatched a batshit insane plan to marry two of his brothers for the price of one, and all it cost him was his love, doubt, etc.
You've covered this topic with a level of emotional nuance that I haven't seen in other such videos, please make more!
I think Miquella started the whole bloody fingers thing, as part of his charm on Mohg to get to the shadow lands. Sure, Mohg's thing was blood, but it could also be that he focused more on building a community of Omens and Albenurics before the charm took effect.
considering that the Lord of Blood's Exultation states "Render up you offerings of blood to your Lord. Drench my consort's chamber. Slake his cocoon's thirst. His awakening shall herald the dawn of our dynasty" I'm very inclined to agree
I have a bit of a crazy theory... So, if we assume that the horns are an echo of the crucible - the primordial soup from which everything emerged, then what if Mohg was chosen as a vessel because the crucible traits in him allow his body to be transformed to a greater extent? That they make it more malleable, like human stem cells.
oh I like that
I love the fact everyone now is feeling bad for Mohg after finding out for sure his brother has been brainwashing everyone.
I used to avoid Mohg lore because it made me uncomfortable but Sir Ansbach had me on his side almost instantly and Miquella stealing my heart and insta killing me in a near perfect boss run was the final straw
@@Paspayahow on earth did it make you uncomfortable? They are ageless demigods. There is also lore stating that no one in the lands between has s3x. This is a magical land where s3x isn’t how kids are made. Mogh was not sexually driven. He just needed a vessel for a consort. Plus the Empyrean Cocoon clearly has a 10ft tall demigod in it. Not a child. This is magical fiction. If sex doesn’t exist then you can be sure pedo’s don’t!
Mohg's situation is a case study of why context is so damn important.
This was an excellent video, I enjoyed it very much!
An additional point to add onto the tragedy of Mogh's fate is to consider what happened to his soul. Mogh's soul no longer exists within his body whatsoever. His soul has been vacated from his body and left behind, completely destitute. Ansbach says as much in his questline. Normally souls remain in their bodies until they are returned to the Erdtree, but because Mogh's soul who vacated from his body and he is an Omen his soul will not return. What happened to Mogh's soul is exactly what happens to the souls of the victims of the Dung Eater. So since soul is unable to remain in his body or return to the Erdtree, Mogh's soul has no anchor and is left to who knows what fate. He would likely be left to become a vengeful spirit like the Wraith Calling Bell implies about those who are cursed. So Miquella charmed Mogh, had him killed, vacated his soul from his body, and put Radahn's soul into it. Meanwhile Mogh's soul is left to wander as a vengeful spirit that will never be able to obtain peace.
On what’s maybe an overly optimistic view, Mogh’s soul could have returned to the crucible to be remixed in the melting pot of life and reborn in some way
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This is the official Mohg apology thread.
I'm sorry Mohg
I'm sorry Mohg
Nice one for ur first video. I did a personality quiz for Elden ring ages ago and kept getting Mohg which pissed me off at the time so this vid lets me go back on that 😂
I'm just glad to hear someone pronouncing Ansbach rightly. He even says his name yet I still hear people saying Anyz-batch.
Glad i found you amidst the sea of others. Nice work! Minor suggestion: turn down the background noise, or turn your voice up! Thank you so much!
I really appreciate your feedback! I'm new to audio mixing and now I know what to look out for, Thank you so much!!
Nice point about Radahn's soul in Mohg's body. It's the inverse of the quest Miquella and Ranni went on to cast off pieces of themselves.
Awesome analysis! I saw that this is the first video on the channel and I just wanted to add that I would love to see more of your content! Definitely subscribing.
Thank you!!!
I really liked your video. Very informative and uniquely humorous #JusticeForMohg
Thank You!
Now I feel even worse about poor Melanie :(
Michele never actually wanted to return and help her :(
Miquella's abandonment of his devoted sister and all the Halligtree refugees to slow death by Scarlet Rot on top of objectifying Might for his body and power shows what Miquella truly is: a narcissist psychopath. They are charming, charismatic, and often well spoken. But to them you're just a tool to forther your own ends and when you're no longer necessary, you're abandoned.
or she needed the power of a god to be able to complete what she had not achieved, there are people who say that Miquela's curse is not only her eternal youth but that she will never be able to complete anything she has proposed, like her unborn butterflies all her projects do not finish flourishing and in order to flourish I needed to be a god.@@ravendelacour1917
I feel like the whole dlc was an entire flip of everything we knew. Mohgs not a pedo, miquella is evil, hornent genocide occured post tarnished exodus, and marika is actually pretty sympathetic.
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This is such a good video and highlights things I’d been thinking about but hadn’t fully formed into a narrative. I’m blown away that this is your first video. Hope you make more.
I know the fickle and fleeting feeling of ADHD hyperfocus, but I hope it persists for you, if just so I can hear your thoughts on other things.
Excellent vid! Would love to hear more from you on the DLC or game on general! Also you're somehow the first person I've seen on YT mention the Bloodfiends at all! Only thing I disagree on is that Mohg was the biggest joke in the game, Godrick is right there and is canonically just as much a joke as he is in the fandom. :p
Thank you! Oh definitely Godrick is just so pathetic in general and the biggest joke canonically, Mohg is treated way more serious by canon just not really by the community xD
This is my favorite vibe actually, thank you
EDIT: Yeah you're completely correct
Mohg didnt matter which is why he was perfect for what Miquella wanted. He was a basically a non person definied by Miquella's brainwashing. Really quite tragic.
I really liked this vid. Keep up the work if you enjoyed it as well.
Thank You!
when your charmed by Miquella you don't become a different person but rather simply are just devoted to him. Miquella followers maintain their beliefs and thoughts but are willing to form unlikely alliances under the name of Miquella at the same time. Mohg is insane, he worships the Formless Mother and created a secret society/cult in an attempt to seize the crown and form an Age of Blood, his followers are all professional and career killers. Mohg is a monster with a moral code but not the same code as everyone else. Rather than fight man to man like everyone else he would prefer to strike at moments of weakness which is likely how he even came into contact with Miquella. From that moment forth Mohgs plans were modified to add Miquella although Miquella couldn't care less about his Age of Blood.
Righteous Tarnished, you’ve made a great video.
I believe Miquella tried to do the same with Godwyn but Ranni messed it up or he charmed her as well. I just can't shake that hought no matter how hard I try
I like the idea, the complete lack of Godwyn stuff in the DLC really confused me
I still hate Mohg. I didn't hate him cuz of the Miquella businesses, it was that long ass pitchfork
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I always knew Miquella had a master plan.
Last thing to say though: I don't think Mohg's overall story changes too much though even with the new information that Miquella charmed him into the kidnapping. Assuming that's pretty much the only thing Miquella forced him to do, his foil is still very clear: as an opposite to Morgott. Omen twins that suffered oppression under Marika's rule, one who chose to suppress his curse to abide by the system, and one who embraced his cursed blood to free himself.
The Mohg/Morgott dichotomy always struck me as a really interesting narrative to interpret as an allegory for the available reactions of persecuted groups. It was originally a really yikes allegory, particularly as mohg is viewed initially as a depraved monster (and y’know. Miquella being childlike). That’s all definitely a little cleaner now. Mohg is a member of an othered group attempting to make an oppositional culture apart from the one that harmed him. It’s literally why many subcultures exist irl.
But Morgott has always been an interesting counterpoint study into the ways oppressed peoples will sometimes support the systems of their own oppression in a bid to mitigate their personal suffering under said system. It’s a really common psychological phenomenon, and the tragedy of it is really well told in Morgott’s case. He’s the acting King, effectively, but still keeps his people in exile, hides any evidence of his existence from his subjects, and is filled with a pathological self-hatred and disgust at his own form, never thinking to question that it might be the order he is complicit in that is the problem.
There was apparently cut content that involved an NPC in Leyendel that just HATED omen but was captain of the guard or something, and it involved him discovering that his beloved ruler was actually an omen, and he is immediately consumed by hatred and dsgust rather than facing his own prejudices. I’m a little sad it’s gone, but it probably hit the nail a little too hard on the head.
@@spiritandsteel Oh wow I love that perspective, the Mohg/Morgott angle is really really interesting and I never really considered it from that perspective before. This also kinda ties into the DLC Lore or at least into Miquella's lore since he is part of the dominant culture and the furthest away from being someone the golden order would seek to oppress.
Morgott commits to the order that oppresses his group, becoming the acting King with the power to stop the persecution but instead he continues to upholds the status quo because he's been indoctrinated to the point where I suspect that his hatred for Omen very likely extends beyond his self hatred and he tries to compensate all that he is 'lacking' according to the golden order by enforcing an even more strict adherence to the faith. (Slaps the top of Morgott: 'this guy can fit so much religious guilt in him.')
Then there's Miquella who, from what we know/can infer, actually had the support of the people around him aka the ruling class of the establishment, even once he began to stray away from golden order fundamentalism. His philosophy is build on inclusion and equality for the misbegotten and the Albinaurics. I don't know if we know when he began to build the Haligtree but it's basically the Eden of those ostracised by the Golden Order and besides the heavy religious connotations of that alone, the presence of the Oracle Envoys who 'herald the arrival of a new god or age' indicates that Miquella would be way more likely to successfully overthrow the golden order compared to for example Rykard, and yet Leyndell didn't seem to care all that much about what Miquella was up to. But in the end Miquella has abandoned his followers in the Lands Between and the Albinaurics in the cocoons are doomed to never emerge, his sister is left to rot and the misbegotten are left to be slaughtered, Latenna seems like the only one of his base game follower who is there with the intent of protecting the oppressed groups who seek refuge at the Haligtree and she's very likely an Albinauric herself (Don't quote me on this but I don't think there are many misbegotten fighting alongside the humanoid soldiers in the area after the Latenna fight but I need to go back and check).
And then there's Mohg who escaped from the direct influence of the golden order and set up somewhere else, separated both in location and faith (Idk if it was clear enough in the video but I don't think Mohg is some super innocent 1000% good guy just more complex than the community gave him credit for) AND YET Mohg still ends up as a tool used by Miquella, someone with a very high standing in the golden order and amongst the general population, someone who is known for his kindness towards the oppressed groups in the lands between. I think Mohg isn't even a demigod that would be missed especially because no one really knows who he is or what he's up to.
In the end the guy with the 'good intentions but no experience of living under the oppression of the Golden Order' is the one who continues the circle of ignorance and oppression. Or maybe it's my sociology degree making me overanalyse and interpret things when it's really not that deep. But anyway absolutely love this comment and it might send me down another rabbit hole so thank you!
@@Paspaya lol thank you! I also studied sociology. I’m there with you. 😆
Expanding on that, though, I think your perspective on Miquella is super useful and expands this particular reading of the story immensely.
From a intersectional humanist perspective, this allegory really bears out: I once heard a line from a professor that was something like "one of the biggest dangers to progressive change and aid for marginalized groups is "help" from well-meaning people of privilege."
Basically, it's that people who have no experience in actual oppression do not have the intimate knowledge or even fundamental awareness to actually combat it. And, when it comes down to it, most likely won't make the sacrifices to their positions of power in order to effect meaningful change. Instead, they will make immaterial or unhelpful shows of sacrifice and support that serve to excuse or even reinforce the hierarchical privileges they were born into. IE, speaking FOR marginalized groups rather than providing a platform for those groups to speak for themselves. They take up air and space and make it about them, not the people they claim to be fighting for.
Miquella positioned himself as a savior, the immaculate King of the Downtrodden, and did so through manipulation and coercion, as if just to prove his own benevolence to himself. And then, when it got down to it, abandoned every group and individual he initially claimed to champion in the endgame of his true goal of absolute power.
It's incredibly poignant that we see him abandon parts of himself, seeming at first like grand shows of personal sacrifice, of martyrdom. And then we see him abandon his doubt followed by his love. And it becomes clear that these are not noble sacrifices, these are things that only ever superficially mattered to him as methods of absolving his sins or masking his cruelty. With his true goal in reach, he abandons everything that he claimed to be serving by reaching that goal. It was always about him. And he probably doesn't even see it, isn't even aware of his hypocrisy. He is a zealot to his own justifications. It's hauntingly familiar, to anyone who's ever tried to work in public policy or aid outreach. The powerful will not let go of their power, no matter how beneficent they might believe themselves to be.
As an aside: there's a ghost in the Shadow keep that says a line that I haven't seen anyone pick up on for its thematic power. While stating disbelief that Marika has cut them off, he says something to the effect of "Messmer is her child! She would not abandon her _own flesh and blood_ !"
This, I think, is an illustration of Miquella's actions mirroring his mother's. He is literally abandoning his own flesh and blood, with the same cruel disdain as his mother figuratively did. It is a juxtaposition that shows they are playing the exact same game, with the exact same rules, with the exact same goal.
Crazy stuff.
@@spiritandsteel well shit I think I might know what my next video will be about 😅
@@Paspaya I look forward to it!
this was an excellent video. I believe Miquella had the making of being the worst, scariest God ever
I’m surprised how Ansbach has become one of my favorite characters in all of fiction
That was nice ! SUBSCRIBED !
We're sorry Mohg 😔
I always felt unnerved by Miquella since I found the bewitching branch and felt that something was very off about the whole “Dynasty” thing. The frequency of people calling him kind and such also made me wary, this is Fromsoft after all. I wish we could have gotten to see Mohg before being charmed. I made sure to hit Miquella with my harshest weapons and spells on behalf of Mohg and Radahn.
Glad I can finally say Mohg is a rad dude without being attacked by others in the fandom. The Omen Twins were always my favorite characters, I feel they’re both the most compelling of the Demigod children and I wish their themes and dichotomy got more of a spotlight. If, by some grace, there is another dlc, I wish the crucible and the twins could get more spotlight.
I’m so glad someone agrees with me about Mohg this video what unbelievably cathartic to hear thank you
I was waiting for someone to make a Video on him so I could finally feel vindicated but there was nothing so I just did it myself
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm great thoughts….. im loving how there is so much proof of where we were headed. The Godfrey fan boy angle works. Now please help me prove the putrescent knight is Leonard resurrected. 😢
Midquella can only dream to be as half as a good of a boss as MOHGGGG RAGHHH !!!
The wild thing about all of this to me has been seeing people talk about Miquellester as though he's a good person in any capacity. Just a complete failure to read the situation.
I do wonder about Radahn growing horns though. I'm not entirely convinced that was intentional. Miquellester seems to fetishize youth. I half suspect the reason he doesn't age is in part because of his own will not to. He brings Radahn back not as he was when he died but as this idealized, youthful vision. But the image is not complete. There are the horns. The thing we know about the horns is that they will continue to grow. What that will mean for Radahn were he to live is hard to say. But I think that they would grow more and more unsightly in Miquellester's eyes as they developed. The further Radahn moved away from that idealized image in his mind, the more Miquellester would resent him.
One of the most disturbing things about the hornsent to me was their use of Divine Beasts. Those lion headed guys, when they get mature enough, apparently get their head chopped off and made into one of those dancing lion golems. What would this entail for Radahn? How would the hornsent view him? How would they have viewed Mohg? Would they be eyeing his head for removal?
Miquellester's idea of a perfect world is one in which nothing changes. There is no strife or change because everyone is ultimately mind controlled. His vision of the world is a lot like Marika's in that sense. She removed death from the world in the hopes of achieving her utopia. But it was a curse. Death is inevitable, strife is inevitable. So imagine this conflict between Miquellester's desires, the hornsent's desires and the desires of the people of the Lands Between. Miquellester was on the same path Marika walked and it could only ever lead to world altering disaster.
Oh that's a really interesting way to look at the situation
how do you know Mogh wasn't a bad guy even before the dlc drop, when you reach Moghs place you see a lot of albis, some chilling some defending the way that leads to Moghs palace, and some even getting instructed by a Noble, even a merchant is there, what do you see when you reach the haligtree, you see some albis on Ordina, but in the haligtree and Elphael you see none, you also see Miquella crazy soldiers that blow themselves prob chamed by the mosnter Miquella, what happen to the albis? did Miquella also charm Loretta? did Miquella use em to feed his fail tree? are they the cocoons you see all over the place. Miquella is the worst person in the lands between
A lot of people don’t really bring up the lore bomb that Miquella found one of the omen Demi god children of marika. Like they were supposed to be top secret&miquella just found Mohg somehow
It is possible that Mohg stole miquella for his own purposes, and miquella just rolled with it because he could manipulate mohg to his own ends
Mogh is much older than Miquella, probably centuries, he had his blood satanist sex cult long before miquella stepped into the picture. Mohg probably had spies in the capitol by the time miquella was born. I don't like how people now are overcorrecting that he didn do nuffin before miquella charmed him.
The fate of the Carians is tied to the stars isn't it? What if Radahn held the stars in place to prevent the fate Miquella was intending for him?
I'm probably a bit too drunk to make lore theories at this time.
Radahn holding back his own fate as a last ditch effort even after he's been ravaged by the scarlet rot is would make sense, I don't think we have a confirmed reason and we don't know if halting Ranni's fate was a reason for it or just a consequence of it, so it's actually not that far fetched of an idea
Ansbach, to me, is the Hannibal Lector of Elden Ring, minus the cannibalism.
Please elaborate on that only if you want ofc, I love Lecter but I didn't notice a lot of parallels at first glance
@Paspaya his mannerisms. "While it's a pleasure to see you again, general radahn, that corpse/body doesn't belong to you. Lord mohg will have his dignity. " he is a bloody finger as well, so he is a killer of other tarnished like Eleonora, Okina and varres. The personality mixed with the serial killer station just screams Hannibal, calculating, charismatic, sharp and polite, formal as well. It makes me wonder about if he joined to kill rude people.
After all this time mohg actually beat the allegations
wait. is it because mohg is an omen? as in a hornsent? that may be why he was needed all along. miquella needed an omen, likely an especially powerful one, to enter the land of shadow in the first place, since it is the place marika used to imprison the hornsent as a people. he literally used mogh as a key. how tf did i take that long to realize that
Great job. I really enjoyed this. Mohg was one of the best bosses in the game. His story is so tragic. I for one believed the bewitching drove him to madness, which is what we witness in game.
Good content, Tarnished.
I love how the entire community did a complete 180. We used to actively slander this man! Now that we see the truth, the sympathy and regret seethe within the players. Great time to be a fromsoft fan/player i guess.😂
I’m going through a NG3 with Mohg’s spear on my back, plus blood infused Dane’s Footwork.
Hunting n bleeding everyone with the symbol of my Lord Mohg raised high!
One sad theory ive had about mohg discovering the formless mother is that... mayby he was done with life and decided to end himself. We hear that Mohgs Blood lit a blaze and thats how he met the formless mother. But how whould mohg witness his blood being lit a blaze unless the blood was outside of his body somehow?
Now mayby this is just symbolic and mohg felt his blood lit a blaze inside him but it could suggest mohg might have... sliced himself lets just say and thats when the formless mother apeared.
The albinaurics in the palace are moping, not chilling- they were taken from.the portal in the snowfield
Dude is a dramatic theater kid who just wanted to make a kingdom for the unwanted...and FLAIR! And micky turned him into a devil
good start :D
Thank You!
11:50 Not quite Tangled Horns have to live a life of ascetcisim to ascend. If they fail to do so, they are considered cursed. Also, the Grandam dialogue if you kill her before you fight the Divine Beast reveals that Omens are cursed. Which makes sense because none of the Hornsent enemies have Omen Blood attacks like the Omen in The Lands Between do
Well, by omen does she mean The Omen, or is she using the word omen in the regular sense.
Oh damn that's an interesting angle to interpret it from, I understood it as omen in a regular sentence because it wasn't capitalised as in the Omen, but even then to me
'the curse of the omen shall strike thee down in the form of the sacred beasts ire'
sounded more like the curse of the omen is something embodied by the sacred beast/the curse of the omen is something originating from the Hornsent
and for the other part about the Tangled Horns, I mainly assumed that tangled horns are a sign of divinity in general considering that the Horned Bairn states:
"Doll of a tanglehorn bairn. Uses FP to summon vengeful spirits around the caster that autonomously chase down foes. Tangled horns are a symbol of spirituality, but most young born bearing the oversized horns meet a frightfully early demise. These fetishes are made to memorialize them."
as well as the immunising horn charm +2
"Horns are sublime artifacts to hornsent, and their presence confirms the belief that they are a chosen people.
Only the repeated sprouting of fresh horns can create a tangled horn, which is viewed as an irrefutable symbol of primacy."
@@Paspaya Another interesting thing to note is the difference between the Horned Bairn item and the Omen item. If you use both, you'll notice that the spirits from the Omen Bairn are Black but surrounded by a yellow tint. The Horned Bairn variant doesn't have a yellow tint but a white one instead. This yellow is different from Gold/Grace. But it does seem that the Watchful Spirit incantation is a midway point between these two since it has a slight yellow tint that's lighter than the Omen one but also contrasting the pure white of the Tanglehorn one.
Oh, and I have to correct myself. I was wrong about the Tanglehorn because the Inquisitors exist, so there is another path for them aside from Ascetcisim. Of course, those who go that path will never ascend to divinity, but the trade-off is that they don't have to live a life of self-harm where they are spurned as cursed if they fail.
As an aside, what do you think of Ancestral Spirit Followers possibly being a revival movement/otherwise descendant from the Hornsent? All the Horned Charm items from them have Hornsent versions
Ohmens life's matter.
Thumbnail got me rolling
Perfect, exactly what I intended