Absolutely! 😆 Especially saying that nutrition rarely gets mentioned when you talk about veganism - but any vegan knows people looove to ask "what about proteins? ??"
You don't think that woman was being facetious when she said she'd never brought up her vegan diet with her doctors or considered nutrition?? That paragraph was laced with hyperbole and sarcasm
@@meaton3805 Even if the rest were unclear to you for some reason, the bit in the brackets about folks "rarely asking vegans about nutrition" was so blatantly sarcastic that I doubt adding a "/s" would provide any further information.
Did that MF actually think his vegan girlfriend was buying and storing ground beef in her fridge just for him, cooking two identical burgers with different ingredients? Putting beef on one side of the lasagna and veggie crumbles on the other?
As others said, I'm sure the comment at 19:55 is sarcasm, probably after people in the comments were commenting "protein tho". Read it with a sarcastic tone in mind and it would be more clear. It's pretty much impossible for a women to go through pregnancy, birth and solids for the baby without anyone ever mentioning any type of nutritional information, unless they are raising their child in the Brazilian rainforest.
This is 100% how I interpreted that. "Especially when this is rarely discussed when veganism is brought up" --- it's a running joke among vegans how we get comments about protein and B12 CONSTANTLY. It's the first thing omnivores say except possibly for "I could never, because bacon tho"
19:58 The comment about not thinking about nutrition is blatantly sarcastic and I'm surprised you missed it. The poster is clearly saying they and their partner are very much aware of the nutritional needs of the child, and had even discussed it with their doctor during the pregnancy.
I'm also surprised she missed that, like how???? That was so obvious! "That is rarely mentioned when veganism is brought up", "You undoubtedly saved my child's life", I mean come on!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
UnnaturalVegan sadly was a victim of confirmation bias! We've all been there. She's so used to seeing irresponsible vegan parents that she just assumed these parents were irresponsible and stupid.
The guy who just assumed that his vegan girlfriend was cooking meat for him absolutely amazes me. It shows that he clearly has no interest in learning anything about veganism. In my opinion, she needs to find a new boyfriend who actually cares about the things that are important to her.
I chuckled a little when, after the cookies post, you said "why would she go out of her way to exclude someone?" (by baking non-vegan cookies). Bless your heart! I really don't think she went out of her way. I think she just baked what she always bakes. She's inconsiderate, but you really can't accuse her of going out of her way. 😂
The mother in law one was particularly frustrating. I have an aunt who makes sure to give her two year old grandson (who eats vegan with vegan parents) dairy and other animal products. Listening to her talk about feeding him dairy icecream and Mac and cheese was horrifying. I could tell she felt proud of it, like she was saving him. I don’t get why people can’t just respect the wishes of parents when it’s completely reasonable.
I don't see the problem if the child wants to eat it , it should be child's choice in first place and child is I assume eating healthy so some ice cream and Mac and cheese can't do any harm
I love your reddit videos! It can be such a sh*thole sometimes but other times it’s very wholesome, and I love hearing your takes on the stories. As always, I appreciate the nuance you bring to the table
“Why would you even make cookies that aren’t vegan?” Because normal people don’t question the tradition of baking with eggs and butter and just assume that making vegan cookies would be incredibly more difficult (of course it isn’t really, but they’ve simply never had access to the vegan world of cooking). Plus, OP assumed that the colleague was flexible with their diet. I don’t see how baking the non vegan cookies made him an arsehole, just somewhat ignorant and unbothered
Also, if you've never made a dish, you don't know how it will turn out. You don't know what recipes are good or bad. Maybe he didn't want to risk making cookies he and his coworkers wouldn't enjoy? Also, cookies aren't some kind of essential food - it's an extra snack. Other people who often can't have cookies: those with celiac disease, those who are lactose intolerant, diabetics. It would be nice if he went the extra mile, but I don't think one should expect people being able to
Last year, we had a little potluck for Christmas. Some people brought vegan friendly food for me, but most people didn't. I'm the only vegan so I don't expect to catered to. I'd appreciate it but I'm used to it.
The most bottom drawer of my fridge is the “crisper” drawer. If you have raw meat in your fridge it needs to be at the lowest possible point. Second story sounds like the vegan roommate is moving the raw meat higher up in the fridge, which is problematic
“You have undoubtedly saved my child’s life” that was completely sarcastic 😅 I was a little surprised at some of your responses like maybe you’re not quite yourself? I hope you’re feeling better now 💜
I was vegan for 3.5 years and went to my doctor asking for a blood test cuz I was feeling horrible and extremely fatigued. She proceeded to tell me that I had nothing to worry about and went on to say that I didn’t even need to supplement for anything. I brought up b12 and she scoffed saying people worry about that unnecessarily. When I expressed more concern she said I could take a multi if I really cared that much. When I finally convinced her to give me a blood test it showed that I was dangerously deficient in vitamin D. She refused to test for iron so that one is still unknown but it amazes me how little doctors seem to know or care about nutrition.
I hope you are doing better now. This sounds very serious. I was Not deficient, but had similar Symptoms. My doctor checked B12, Iron, D3, i believe Zink, potassium and sodium and a few Others, but also Other indicators for Organ problems like thyroid, kidney and liver. I recommend you see a different doctor if you still have problems, because it could be very serious. Also as vegan you should Supplement B12 in any Case, D3 (+ K2 for better Absorption). Depending on your needs some females need Iron, but you need to be careful, because you can also overdo iron. Personally I also Take Aha+dha from time to time but it is unclear If there is a value from taking these. If in doubt you can use a multi, but I think this really depends on the diet. I have been vegan myself and used these Supplements along the way. There are definetly non negotioables like B12 and D3, that you will not find in a vegan diet no matter how healthy. The doctor should have known 😢 but also He should have checked anyway. At least where I live, these deficiencies are not that rare
@@kleinerplagegeistplagegeis5057 the vitamins I had been taking caused a horrible rash on my neck and jaw line so I was kinda just focusing on fortified foods. My b12 actually was okay but definitely had to take a d3
@@NicoleAndersonn I am glad you found a solution. Are you feeling better? Have you tried D3 Drops? They are on an oil basis. And some Supplements you can chew or dissolve in your mouth. Maybe that might be helpful. Or maybe your body will tolerate a gelatine based supplement. Ofc this is not vegan then, but it is justifiable for health reasons I think.
@@NicoleAndersonn also i remembered you can drink B12. Ofc I dont know what triggered the rash specifically. But I think it is possible it might be the Basis of the formular. Personally I struggled with cellulose formulars quite some time
@@kleinerplagegeistplagegeis5057 I actually stopped being plant based for a while cuz many issues were in my gut. It felt like I gave myself ibs and literally anything I ate would cause pain so I would just skip meals. It got bad. But I recently listened to Michael Greger’s “how not to die” and felt so empowered. I’ve been plant based for two months now and feel great. There’s been some trial and error but I’m micro-dosing on vegetables and legumes to train my gut. Also supplementing with b12, d3, algae and half a prenatal daily.
I really don't think its a good idea to have children figure out on their own how to eat a vegan diet. I went vegetarian when I was 13 and had to figure it out on my own. But I didn't figure it out I lived off of popcorn and bean and cheese burritos for months, and after that I remember eating microwave mac and cheese for years. Once I went vegan at 19 I was able to figure out how to eat more of a balanced diet but still struggled a lot with all the bad habits I had made. Also please parents, make a few vegan meals a week its extremally important to children (and even adults) to feel included.
I always doubt that even half of the AITA posts are real (not just the vegan ones, I mean), but love to hear your commentaries. Thank you for the video
My older brother was constantly teasing and ridiculing me when we grew up. I admit I laughed very loudly at the boy being punished with a whole month of vegan food.
And maybe that month of eating vegan somehow helped him to calm down a bit. I have this feeling, from real life and from online, that the highly carnivorous people are sometimes too agitated, to put it mildly.
First story: I agree re: the dad escalating the situation and not asking why daughter was going vegan, but I do think the first option he proposed makes the most sense. With 8 kids if one wants to make changes to their diet that no one else in the house wants to make, esp if that kid is 13, then yeah it makes sense to ask them to be responsible for the planning and execution of their meals. My family had 2 kids and we always had the option to make a second (vegetable-containing) meal for ourselves if we didn’t want to eat what was served. It promotes cooking ability and self-responsibility. The dad said they would be going over the daughter’s meals to make sure they were healthy, so it’s not like they were telling her ‘make your meals so long as we don’t have to put in any effort’, they were planning to put in the time and double check every meal before buying the ingredients. It’s everything after that where the immaturity takes off.
Instead of splitting the refrigerator vertically, split it horizontally, giving the meat person the whole bottom shelf. Many refrigerators can adjust the shelfs, making it easy to adjust for space for the vegetables.
Refusing to accommodate your kid's taste preferences can become really distressing for many kids. I've always been a picky eater, but when I was forced to eat food I didn't like, I vomited. I'd also refuse to eat and go to bed hungry if I didn't have something I liked. Adding the pressure isn't really helpful for most kids.
The "no idea about nutrition" comment was so blatently sarcastic I can't believe anyone could miss it, especially in the context of a well thought out, well written post (people never talk about it and even when my doctor directly asked are pretty massive giveaways). Maybe it's a cultural thing? Here in the UK, sarcasm is virtually always completely deadpan and you have to just interpret it (and there rarely any confusion about it). Maybe sarcasm is our default assumption and we're getting it wrong the other way sometimes when people are actually serious!
First story: "If you want to be other, we will treat you as other as punishment" which indoctrinates them into thinking they have to eat meat to be accepted.
I'm vegan and I tell my teenagers that if they want meat or eggs in they can use their money for it and come home and cook it themselves. People tell me I'm mean but there are multiple lessons. 1. Appreciate the food given to you when it's free. 2. Basic cooking skills. I'm happy to instruct them on what to do, but if they want it, they can do the work or cooking and cleaning it up. 3. Money management.
Loved this video! The story of the bf not knowing he ate mock meats cracked me up!! What a win for fake meat lol I would definitely watch more videos like this if you make them!
This video could make a very nice film with different stories. Some of them are like something out of a young Woody Allen. I could imagine a sketch with him feeling "assaulted" by all those fake meats and complaining to his shrink for days, lying on the couch....😂😂😂
The food at weddings, parties, refreshments, etc. are usually do not take organism into mind. Just eat b/f you go or bring a snack b/c if it's several hours long you're very likely to get very hungry!
Yea, that guy not letting his daughter go vegan can cause resentment issues for sure. My parents forced my to go through Catholic confirmation at 12 even though I told them I didn't believe in it. I'm still resentful about it even though it has been 21 years! He just needs to compromise about the fridge and stuff. She doesn't need a whole fridge!
Although I feel he should have been more understanding of his daughter, her talking about her parents buying all her own pans, taking over an entire game room or even just a fridge shared by all and then expect everyone to some how cater to her and also be more vegan-like... Suck it up buttercup. Not going to happen. Most likely it's a fad anyway for them.
Agreed, and we dont know all the details but kids are kinda dumb, the parents maybe needed to take extra time and patience to explain to the kid why they were being unreasonable. But ofc kids sometimes just need stern limits.
@@APFC95 reminds me of an Arthur episode, one of the few I have seen. The Amish one with Buster. He tries to be Amish after learning about them and goes about rearranging his life to do so. His parents support him, until he begins to push the ideals onto the rest of the family, (something simple over no buttons on clothing as I recall and also not to use electricity) and they begin to sternly, but still politely, tell him not to do that, as they do not want to be Amish. In the end he gives it up due to missing TV and video games, etc. Although he may have carried some of ideals with him. I am sure this situation was more the parents like- "oh great, another year, a new want or like. At least it is not drums... Oh you want to be vegan, that's nice. Oh you want to cook your own separate foods, that's ok too. Oh you want "us" to buy you over $200 worth of pots and pans... ummm maybe on your birthday... Take over the gaming room fridge that was for everyone... I don't think that is fair for everyone else... Have us still cook, but cook more vegan friendly dishes... Yea, no."
Of course the daughter's requests was out of line, but the best option would be someone explaining to her that having completely separate hardware for cooking and storage is unrealistic in a ten person household, not her Large Adult Parent throwing a tantrum right back at her.
@@TasteOfButterflies as stated, this was most likely after request, after request, after request and they finally got fed up with her being so unreasonable. Enough is enough. They put their foot down and now "she's" the victim. No where else, but on a vegan channel would this be considered ok behavior by her. And her being of that age, probably exaggerating way out of proportion. But some parents have no patience either, so ehhh...
Could you do a video one day on how to read Nutritional information, allergy warnings and ingredients lists on products? I have friends who just keep on giving me non-vegan gift food and lately I looked up "how to read food labels" on UA-cam seeking something to send them one day so they can personally benefit from this knowledge they seem to lack, but ALL the most well-produced videos are by UA-cam health influencers I really would rather not link them to. If I had a better vegan video to link them to which was by a vegan, not someone who literally recommends keto, it would help a lot. The main friend i'm thinking of is Filipino, and I'm Australian.
About that cookie thing - people may not even know, what IS vegan. My sister (and actually quite a lot of people here in Poland) thought fish is vegetarian. Thanks to the general catholic upbringing here. So yes, if you have any dietary restrictions (voluntary or not), don't shift the responsibility onto other people. They might just not now.
True, lots of people will ask me if I eat fish or poultry when I say I'm a vegetarian. I think it's also because pescatarians often do say that they're vegetarians. So sometimes there's a terminology confusion as well.
I think the boyfriend who was “tricked“ is really upset, because on a subconscious level, he knows that eating meat is wrong. (I bet he even considers himself an animal lover.) But he has resolved this conflict up until now, by telling himself that it is not practical to live a vegan lifestyle. This experience, which did not involve any subterfuge or manipulation (she never hid anything from him), has forced him to recognize that being vegan in the developed world in 2023 is really rather easy, and you don’t even have to give up many of the flavors that you love to live a life that does not involve cruelty and exploitation. He’s mad because he can no longer in good conscience rely on that crutch, so he’s directing his anger at her rather than at himself. How dumb is this boyfriend if he did not understand that being vegan means you don’t cook meat? Obviously, he’s not that dumb. He’s just pretending.
I really appreciated your response to the parents not knowing about B12. I'm newly vegan. I have two kids, one 5 one 1. Our family doctor is not knowledgeable about vegan diets and we don't have the opportunity to find a vegan doctor. I am the only person in our family who is vegan and I'm learning what I can to keep my diet healthy. My kids are still wholely non vegan because the only guidance I can get from doctors is on an omnivore diet and kids diets are so delicate. When I'm more experienced with balancing a vegan diet and when my kids will reliably take their vitamins (my 5 yr old is good with her vitamins but 1 yr old still refuses them) I'll give them the option to go vegan, but I have to put their health above my own moral convictions. In vegan spaces I still see soon frequently 'just eat a diverse meal and you'll get what you need' which is very unhelpful. Especially with kids, deficiencies can be insidious and absolutely sneak up on you.
About the parents who were clueless about nutrition and had been vegan for years... well, I have seen what non-vegans eat and I think it is safe to say that good nutrition is accidental in so many cases. I knew of a family where the kids just at what they wanted all day, which would have been fine if the food visible and available had been varied. They basically ate sugary, colourful cereal throughout the day and had the odd burrito with a scattering of cheese on it, mw'd, from time to time. The mother would give them their multivitamins daily, without fail, with the idea that they had all they needed and were happy because they were not forced to eat food they didn't like. Another family I knew: the mother would go pick up the kids from school and would pass a pizza place. She'd stop outside and beep for how many pizza's she wanted (pizza dough, tomato sauce and cheese) or she would have been to McDonald's earlier in the day and picked up some kiddie burger boxes which she would pop in the microwave when the kids got home. The parents ate later and had steak, veg, and a carb or some equivalent, basically 'normal' food. These were both financially very well off people. In both families, kids had unlimited access to however many sweets/candies they wanted. So, apart from B12, what were these kids getting nutritionally? It certainly was not varied. Yes, I agree, people are stupid.
Last story: The son definitely needs discipline to change his behavior but food as punishment is NEVER a good idea. Creates a negative association with the food, sometimes even a lifelong problem. It’s not that eating vegan is a punishment in general but to present it as a ‘consequence’ of the son’s actions makes it a negative stimuli, and makes the son more likely to resent veganism and vegan food.
The coworker is fucking nuts. Even Jewish people who keep kosher do, in fact, need to let a host know (outside obvious Jewish meals and gathering, where the assumption is more expected).
My take on most of these though is that all non vegans and most of the ‘vegans’ reference veganism as just a diet. If anyone asks me my response is that I am vegan because of the horrendous treatment of certain animal species at the hands of humans and I don’t want to be a part of that any longer even in a small way. Whilst that always ends that particular conversation it leaves the non vegan in no doubt that offering me anything that includes an animal is going to be totally unacceptable and that avoids future issues.
I agree with you about the cookie thing. When I bring baked goods into my workplace office, I always make a vegan recipe just so they are dairy and egg free and most people can eat them regardless of diet. To me, that's a common courtesy when serving food in a public place. I've even made GF or nut free ones before. Also, baked goods are one of those things that are SO easy to make vegan and still taste good so IMO there's not really an excuse.
The meat eater who was "forced" to eat fake meat is literally my dad lol. My mom repeatedly made lasagna, casseroles & other dishes with fake beef. Even when I'm not around. & He often doesn't notice! He even sais stuff like: "the meat is delicious" He even once accidentally ate a vegan burger at mc Donalds because they messed up our order & he only realised once he read the bill😂 Actually, after realising how well this works, we've been making vegan cakes on birthdays & I'm alway waiting untill the rest of my family started eating. That way, they don't know what's vegan & what isn't. ( The ones with allergies are informed of course) Well, I really enjoy the surprised faces when they realise that it can indeed be delicious. Sometimes they ask how I substitute the eggs and milk & they are even more surprised when it's not "some chemicals" 😂
The people who forget that vegan food is just food are stupid. Like I've had people say "well vegans can't eat anything!" While they were eating a pb sandwich.
This channel is great. I am learning so much about a sufficiently nutritious vegan diet. I am now leaning into veganism. Honestly I consistently consider the harm to humans and animals when I see and buy animal products. It’s nice to know how to be vegan.
Why would a coworker make cookies that arent vegan?? Maybe because she likes to make those cookies and wanted to share, and those who wanted to eat them could and those who didnt dont have to? Like, i hve potlucks all the time at work, nobody caters to every specific co-workers preferences every time they bring in treats.
The first one. The parent refusing to make adjustments for the child is sad. Coming from a vegan whose mum was able to make adjustments for me so I could eat every meal my family had. And they still all ate meat. Shed make all of the sides and accompaniments vegan so I could eat them (eg rather than using butter in veg, she will use olive oil) and then make me an alternative vegan option to the main meal. Eg a chicken curry for them and a veggie curry for me just by making one big sauce and then separating some out for me before adding meat. And she offered to do this for me because she loved me and supported my choice. And for context, I cook 75% of my own food, but when my mum decides she will be cooking for the whole family she makes sure to include me in that even though I'm vegan.
If I had a vegan in my office (I do not) I would make 2 batches of cookies. One vegan, one standard. If they worry about contaminated, washed/clean, stainless steel mixing bowls or baking sheets I cannot help them. If I made something for my shift I would make sure everyone could eat it though. I’m from the south. You don’t let someone go hungry or tell them they can’t eat what you’ve got.
About the grandmother lying to her one and only grandson by saying no, it's not cow, it's beef and then going off in a huff and acting as if the child's mother was at fault, is something I have seen so often. People who consider themselves to be 'normal' because they do 'what everyone one else does' and cannot seem to stand that other people do differently, will try to get children to do what they do regardless of the children's parents' consideration. The grandmother was trying to 'score a point' by getting her forced-into-veganism-by-his-terrible-parents to eat some meat. If she had said to the mother, do you mind if I offer him some meat and the mother had said yes, but we call it cow and the two had discussed that out of earshot of the child, then things would have been quite different. Tolerance, people, tolerance. I've come across this with veganism, vegetarianism and home schooling. All are considered 'abnormal' and therefore reproachable by so many people who are not affected at all by our choices. Weird.
For the punishment of the bullying kid, no. I think it is better to take him to therapy and trying to figure out the source of the bullying. All behavior is communication. Forcing him to be vegan for a month is less likely to out a good taste in his mouth over a good one
I hate these comparisons to the Holocausts. Wearing a yellow star? Really? To me comparisons like this are just a notch above Holocaust denial. Just stop it.
The "vegetarian GF lied about being vegan" story is exactly why I don't say "I'm a vegan". When asked, I say I have a "vegan preference" - I buy vegan food (with the exception of eggs for my husband but I don't eat them) and make vegan meals at home and for my packed lunches. If I'm at a restaurant, I may get the vegetarian or vegan option. If someone brings a vegetarian treat or meal to share to work, I might eat that. Of course, doesn't that just mean I'm vegetarian? Technically, yes, but my diet is mainly vegan (and I greatly appreciate it when I'm given a tasty vegan option to eat). Basically, I don't want to call myself a vegan and then have someone see me eat an omelette in a restaurant and go, "She's a liar!!!"
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20:00 That’s one of the downsides of ethical vegans when compared to strict vegetarians who are so for health reasons. Those who exclude animal foods from their diet out of health concerns are usually well aware of any possible nutrient deficiency in their diet (precisely because their health is their main concern) whereas ethical vegans exclude any animal foods from their diet for the sake of the animals (that is, animals other than themselves).
@@clankfish, it wasn’t. She’s aware that many vegans are rather ignorant on matters of nutrition. in addition, there’s also quite a bit of misinformation circulating among vegans. I remember many years ago a vegan girl told me that yeast contained vitamin B12. Well, it contains vitamin B12 only if it’s been fortified with it.
That MIL is terrible. Definitely do not apologize. Her lying to your child was horrible. Imagine what she does behind your back regarding food. But also stupid for not knowing proper nutriton for the parents!
That MIL is unhinged. It is not the mom’s fault that grandma eats animals 😤 My grandfather did the same thing with my brother but he didn’t say what he was eating had fish and my brother was so young and cried so much afterwards… so inconsiderate
For number 3 this woman sounds like the most entitled human I’ve ever seen. If you eat different from 99% of the population you cannot just expect people to ASSUME you are vegan especially when you are a plus one and don’t even know these people. You have to tell them and this person even said they would have changed the menu had she asked nicely. Also she wasn’t even directly invited to this dudes party she is a plus one which he was nice enough to allow to come and then for her to act that entitled to the host of a party who doesn’t even know or and didn’t invite her shows a lot about her character. Also to ask for not just one vegan option but 2 when she is the only vegan person. Like talk about being extra. People with peanut allergies have to tell people and they don’t even choose that plus it could kill them. So she should have to as well especially since this dude was nice enough to ask if anyone had specific dietary issues. Then to compare it to making Jewish people wear badges during the holocaust is disgusting and I wouldn’t want someone like that at my party. Vegan people are not oppressed like POCs, lgbtq people, etc. in fact a lot of vegan people are rich white people. Good lord. I would tell my friend who is bringing her that plus ones are no longer allowed 😂 For number 4, I get that it’s not the best time to bring that up but just watching my gf lie blatantly and make a fool of an innocent person while being a total hypocrite would make me snap too. Honestly I would be so insulted by my gf standing there and complaining about having to put up with animal products in our home when she put them on the menu and forced me to host the dinner party. She’s making her bf look like a total insensitive asshole in front of her new friend who doesn’t care about his gfs “veganism” when it’s a total lie. I would have done the same thing and she deserved to be called out. It also isn’t fair to her friend that she is literally lying to her and basing their entire friendship on a blatant lie.
Interesting video! But you should vote clearly in each case, whether or not the OP is the ass hole, that's the purpose of the sub. It's fine to discuss the nuances, but I want to hear your 'NTA' or 'YTA'
The first one not acomodating their kids at all, like if your kid doest like mushrooms is it so hard not to include mushrooms on most things....? Feels like acomodating reasonable requests from your kids should be something you'd want to do as a parent idk. And if the resquests are unreasonable, like 800 dollars for kitchen supplies unreasonable, just take a moment to explain why. Kids dont know anything its your job as a parent to walk them through stuff and be a safe and conforting source and a source of reason for them
today i learned that if you aren't vegan you literally do not eat vegetables. But yeah, I understand what he means about non vegan food trying to be vegan. Not with the burgers, becuse "burger" is kind of a broad item, and beyond meat is similar in macros to regular beef, but I don't like when vegans do hijinks such as replacing ham with grilled watermelon or replacing fish with pickled tomatoes. turning a meal into a snack is not okay
The boyfriend who was fed meat alternatives was 1( a bad listener, 2) an incurious dolt, and 3) a grudge-holder. The girlfriend should have warned him, but since it never once occurred to him to ask, and since it was a "no harm, no foul" situation, he should have got over it. She's probably well rid of him.
As a non-vegan I eat plants, but I don't eat processed garbage. I also don't like to get tricked into eating food imitations, if you try that with me you better run ;-) Also, people might be allergic to ingredients they unknowingly eat and it might not end well for them.
About the 13yo in a family of 8 children, and having had five teens in my life, I'm going to hazard a guess that one of the reasons for the girl going vegan might have been a means of getting a little extra attention - she might be the child who has always managed to get the most attention so I'm not saying the parents neglected her at all, or any of the other kids, just that some kids are 'attention greedy' while others just go and do their own thing quite happily and most seem somewhere in the middle. So, if she went vegan and her parents just said 'sure, yeah', then what? well, she had no choice but to 'escalate'. Perhaps all the parents had to do was put a box in all of the fridges with 'vegan' written on it and only vegan stuff could go in there. Next, the parents could have gone online with their daughter and looked up vegan dietary needs. The groceries for a vegan are actually almost the same as those for a non-vegan if the diet is healthy. If it is not, then it will be vastly different - ready meals, meat based packaged meal starters, etc. So, the mention of different groceries seems to lean towards a rather unhealthy diet. Pasta with meatballs if made from scratch, simple: remove a portion of pasta and sauce before adding the meatballs and add lentils or beans to the vegan version. So, it seems the parents were making their own life more difficult than it needed to be and so did the daughter. If a child wants to go vegan, it's not that difficult for their parent to spend 20mn googling vegan nutrition, right? preferably with the child. Learning moment for all involved. Good stuff.
I’m gonna make a whole different comment for the second one bc my first was super long but yeah I agree you should never keep your meat in the vegetable drawer. Like wtf does he mean it’s the best place to keep it like that is a vegetable drawer for a reason. My fridge, which is a really old one so I’m sure newer fridges have even more storage options, has a specific drawer for dairy/lunch meat which is kinda small but that’s bc it’s meat for ONLY meat and cheese and stuff bc once again like you said meat should be kept separate. I tell my mom the same thing that if she wants to buy meat please do not put it near my vegetables, fruit or anything else fresh. It’s funny he doesn’t want the meat in his yogurt but has no problem putting it on someone else’s vegetables. He could at least put the meat into a few plastic bags doubled up and zipped so there isn’t any chance of it seeping into anything else. My family always froze our meat anyway the chance of it going bad before you can eat it is much lower and we also kept all of our meat like that in the downstairs basement freezer so it was separate form like ice cream, frozen veg and other stuff. Mind you my family were huge meat eaters growing up so even they didn’t carelessly put them with the vegetables. They need to shit down and come up with a compromise that they are both happy with. Has dude ever considered getting a mini fridge specifically for meat or a freezer bc a lot of ppl do that anyway for sanitation reasons. Like if your roommate was allergic to peanuts you aren’t gonna store an opened jar of peanut butter on top of their vegetables so why can’t he compromise. He isn’t this persons parent so he can’t just be like “no this is how we do it” it is a shared living space they both pay for and so they should make compromises.
Oh Ohmygod now that you point it out I do. Hearing Swazye read it sincerely made me take it at face value. But yeah it’s obviously sarcasm especially the “you have saved my sons life”
Yes that mother in law is awful for throwing a birthday party for a vegan and making it not vegan, but lets pretend that didn't happen for a moment. I don't think she was definitely trying to confuse him by saying it was beef and not cow. It would be easy to assume that he knew what beef was. Now by not explaining what beef was when he evidently didn't know she was probably taking advantage in not explaining what it meant. That mother in law isn't a very considerate person. She may be great in other areas, but not in being considerate.
I have health and other keeps me kind of trapped. So when I go on to social media, I do not go looking for somebody specific. Before because I was subscribed and because I watched you. I always got the invitation to watch your videos. This is the first video i've been offered in over two years? Maybe more. I'm glad that you're doing well. I found the things that you read kind of crazy. I still think the world's gone mad. I have been digging for almost fifty eight years and for all sorts of reasons. And very much for the animals but I still don't want contamination of my food. Anyway it's hard to believe people are the way they are. But then again there's so much of it I don't know why i'm surprised. I never assume what's in my food I asked in great detail. I saw somebody commenting that it wasn't good to give this boyfriend vegan food, Because he may have an allergy. I know that anybody with a serious allergy is going to ask if that is in their food! So I don't think that's a valid reason. I agree with you he didn't ask questions he just ate. He didn't even help prep or clean up so whatever. She was doing him a great favor. The ones involving children always shock me, They should have the same support as an adult. More so because their children. Anyway good show. Thanks good to see you after all this time.🌱
When I was 14 I decided to go vegan. At first it was for health reasons and then slowly evolved into ethical and then eventually ethical and environmental reasons. My parents did the same thing as the dad did in the beginning where they paid for my food but I’d have to plan and cook all my own foods. Eventually my mom started occasionally cooking vegan meals for me and my parents even bought me this really cool vegan cookbook and me and they would try some of the stuff I made especially my mom. I never asked for special pans or to have an entire fridge for myself bc that’s absolutely ridiculous and such a spoiled brat thing to do. We literally had 3 fridge/freezers in the house for 4 of us and I still didn’t ask for one bc they each had a special purpose like the beer/drink fridge outside😂 (with all the stickers covered in it, if you are in MD you will relate lmao). Since I never asked for insane shit like buying me hundreds of dollars worth of pots and pans it never became an issue. Mind you my dad is like your typical Irish middle aged American dad who’s diet consists of meat, dairy, potatoes, and jack daniels. We even had a literal hunting closest in our house filled with guns and camo clothing 😂 Tbh tho he would hunt every once in a while but never killed a deer which he said was bc he refused to kill babies and females but I think he felt bad. He’d occasionally kill ducks but mostly he just liked to fish. He respected my choice tho and I was just appreciative that my parents paid for my after I got a job at 16 and even after I was 18 but still living there. We always cooked our meatballs separate from the pasta anyway and since my mom cooked most of the vegetables she had no problem separating out a little bit of mash potatoes for me before she added butter. Just reminds me how grateful I am to have parents that never forced me to eat food I didn’t want to. I eat I guess what you would call flexitarian now bc when I was homeless and in and out of rehab for over 6 years I had to stop being vegan bc I literally didn’t have a choice. I lived in the HOOD so it was already a food desert and when you are homeless it’s even harder to get vegan food especially during Covid. I just ate what people gave me when pan handling or I would get lunches from this school that gave them out in my area or $50 snack cakes at the corner store. Yeah it basically sucked to say the least. When I was in rehab and especially in jail I either ate what they gave me or didn’t eat at all. I live with my mom now since I got clean and since I cook all of our meals we both eat almost entirely plant based but we do occasionally eat like honey or eggs especially when going out to eat. It’s funny bc my mom would never be mostly plant based if it wasn’t because of me constantly reminding her how the animal industry is horrible lol and she had no problem eating what I cook. As for my other family members I just make vegan stuff and don’t tell them until after they eat it and love it. My aunts father in law yesterday said my corn bread (which is vegan) was the best corn bread he’s ever had and everyone else basically said the same thing too. They are even more of heavy meat eaters than my immediate family like I mean they have an entire game room full of deer heads and even a bear and a bunch of ducks. I made a vegan cake too and they all LOVES that too and are even asking me to make them other baked goods like bread and stuff. I am a pastry chef by trade tho so my stuff is really good lol. I think this dad took it too far like you said when he got mad and was just like “you are no longer allowed to be vegan under my roof”. If it was me and let’s say for example and I was a heavy meat eater and my daughter wanted to go vegan I would do what you said and sit her down and have her explain to me why exactly she wants to be vegan and what made her decide that as well as exactly how important to her it is. If it’s for ethical reasons I would have no problem cooking stuff separately or buying vegan pasta bc I wouldn’t be so stubborn as to cause my child actual emotional distress and pain bc I’m too stuck in my ways. If it’s your kid you should want them to be happy and not feel guilty over everything they eat. If they try and pull the shit she did I would be like “that fridge is for the family, we have 8 children and we need the extra space. I have no problem with you continuing your veganism and I will still pay for it but if you want your own fridge you can walk to the garage and if you want your own pans you can get a job or do chores to make money and pay for it yourself. Or you can just keep your stuff with ours in the normal fridge and deal with it.” I’m sure if it’s that important to her then that compromise should be good enough. He didn’t need to ban her from being vegan just bc she made a couple demands I didn’t like. If I really didn’t wanna cook stuff separately I would be like why don’t you help with dinner and make the pasta yourself so you can separate some oil first before we add the animal products. Most pasta is vegan anyway so refusing to use pasta without egg is kinda ridiculous. This is way longer than I planned for lol oops.
Most hunters I know only kill older bucks. They have taught their children (daughters & sons) to do the same. I think a vegan would probably have a very hard time in my office. It’s all emergency services personnel and many of them are hunters. Every get together has food co workers obtained by hunting. It’s a large part of life in Southern Appalachia. Many of the guys in my class that came from struggling families would get up at 3am and hunt before school. My dad started hunting small game at 8 years old to help his family survive. His father was a WWII veteran who did not come back from the war the same. He became a raging, abusive, alcoholic who drank all the money. Luckily they had a small garden and lived close to their maternal grandparents who constantly gave them fresh vegetables but rabbit and squirrel provided needed protein. I refused to touch any game until someone kinda tricked me into eating deer when I was in my 20s. I thought it was beef stew and he didn’t correct me. I wasn’t a vegetarian or vegan. I ate meat. I just wasn’t fond of the idea of hunting. I found out it was deer when I went back for my second bowl. It was that good. Now I partake at work gatherings 1-2 times a year.
Food should never be punishment. Turn this situation around, say the boy was bullying his meat eating sister. So his mother punished him by forcing him to eat carnivore for 30 days. Is that ok? Punishing children with food can cause permanent psychological damage.
Vegan cookies that I’ve had are pretty gross (I have vegan family members), making nasty cookies for a bunch of people who can eat normal cookies would defeat the purpose when only one person would even benefit. I have several people at my campus ministry that are gluten free, dairy free, diabetic, and plenty more. You just can’t meet everybody’s needs, if you decide to eat in a way that is very different from others you need to accept that there are going to be times that you will not be accommodated (everything I listed is not a decision, yet most are more mature about not being accommodated than many vegans and other self inflicted dietary restrictions). Especially when you don’t need to eat it. I’m an extremely picky eater, and when I don’t like something, I just don’t eat it. It’s annoying, but I’m adult, have a kitchen, and buy my own groceries. I frequently eat something before I go to a place where I’m unsure about what is available, so if all I like there is dinner rolls or something small I will not have an issue and I can get something after if needed. But no one needs cookies that someone unexpectedly brings in. Be upfront with your question, and realize that if you can have it, that’s great. If not, others will enjoy it.
I feel like that update regarding the kid's nutrition came off as sarcastic...
That's what I thought too.
Yeah....she read it a bit too bluntly
Yeah it's clearly sarcastic
Yes definitely
Absolutely! 😆
Especially saying that nutrition rarely gets mentioned when you talk about veganism - but any vegan knows people looove to ask "what about proteins? ??"
You don't think that woman was being facetious when she said she'd never brought up her vegan diet with her doctors or considered nutrition?? That paragraph was laced with hyperbole and sarcasm
I couldn't quite figure out why it sounded so strange, but I think you nailed it! Good catch! OP should have used a "/s" for clarity.
@@meaton3805 definitely should have! I was surprised when UV responded as if it was sincere. If it was, that is alarming lol
@@meaton3805 Even if the rest were unclear to you for some reason, the bit in the brackets about folks "rarely asking vegans about nutrition" was so blatantly sarcastic that I doubt adding a "/s" would provide any further information.
I agree, They spoke to coherently to be that stupid.
I was thinking the same thing 😅
That last paragraph from the mom with cow-eating MIL was definitely sarcasm!!
Did that MF actually think his vegan girlfriend was buying and storing ground beef in her fridge just for him, cooking two identical burgers with different ingredients? Putting beef on one side of the lasagna and veggie crumbles on the other?
As others said, I'm sure the comment at 19:55 is sarcasm, probably after people in the comments were commenting "protein tho". Read it with a sarcastic tone in mind and it would be more clear. It's pretty much impossible for a women to go through pregnancy, birth and solids for the baby without anyone ever mentioning any type of nutritional information, unless they are raising their child in the Brazilian rainforest.
This is 100% how I interpreted that. "Especially when this is rarely discussed when veganism is brought up" --- it's a running joke among vegans how we get comments about protein and B12 CONSTANTLY. It's the first thing omnivores say except possibly for "I could never, because bacon tho"
@@valid_sound_and_furious961 or "I couldn't LIVE without cheese!" 😂
19:58 The comment about not thinking about nutrition is blatantly sarcastic and I'm surprised you missed it.
The poster is clearly saying they and their partner are very much aware of the nutritional needs of the child, and had even discussed it with their doctor during the pregnancy.
I was going to make the same comment. She is clearly sarcastic. I am sure she has heard hundreds of comments about nutritional deficiences.
I'm also surprised she missed that, like how???? That was so obvious! "That is rarely mentioned when veganism is brought up", "You undoubtedly saved my child's life", I mean come on!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
UnnaturalVegan sadly was a victim of confirmation bias! We've all been there. She's so used to seeing irresponsible vegan parents that she just assumed these parents were irresponsible and stupid.
Some of the posts make me feel that healthy communication and boundaries are definitely needed.
Aka every aita post
@@Tibyon true enough
The guy who just assumed that his vegan girlfriend was cooking meat for him absolutely amazes me. It shows that he clearly has no interest in learning anything about veganism. In my opinion, she needs to find a new boyfriend who actually cares about the things that are important to her.
I chuckled a little when, after the cookies post, you said "why would she go out of her way to exclude someone?" (by baking non-vegan cookies). Bless your heart!
I really don't think she went out of her way. I think she just baked what she always bakes. She's inconsiderate, but you really can't accuse her of going out of her way. 😂
The grandma can be mad all she wants , but clearly trying to trick the kid into eating meat. That is manipulation
The mother in law one was particularly frustrating. I have an aunt who makes sure to give her two year old grandson (who eats vegan with vegan parents) dairy and other animal products. Listening to her talk about feeding him dairy icecream and Mac and cheese was horrifying. I could tell she felt proud of it, like she was saving him. I don’t get why people can’t just respect the wishes of parents when it’s completely reasonable.
I don't see the problem if the child wants to eat it , it should be child's choice in first place and child is I assume eating healthy so some ice cream and Mac and cheese can't do any harm
@@andjelazok5017 Extended family members should always abide by whatever rules the parents have for feeding their children.
I love your reddit videos! It can be such a sh*thole sometimes but other times it’s very wholesome, and I love hearing your takes on the stories. As always, I appreciate the nuance you bring to the table
Listening to you be a a normal, rational human being is weirdly therapeutic to listen to. Thanks!
“Why would you even make cookies that aren’t vegan?” Because normal people don’t question the tradition of baking with eggs and butter and just assume that making vegan cookies would be incredibly more difficult (of course it isn’t really, but they’ve simply never had access to the vegan world of cooking). Plus, OP assumed that the colleague was flexible with their diet. I don’t see how baking the non vegan cookies made him an arsehole, just somewhat ignorant and unbothered
Also, if you've never made a dish, you don't know how it will turn out. You don't know what recipes are good or bad. Maybe he didn't want to risk making cookies he and his coworkers wouldn't enjoy? Also, cookies aren't some kind of essential food - it's an extra snack. Other people who often can't have cookies: those with celiac disease, those who are lactose intolerant, diabetics. It would be nice if he went the extra mile, but I don't think one should expect people being able to
Last year, we had a little potluck for Christmas. Some people brought vegan friendly food for me, but most people didn't. I'm the only vegan so I don't expect to catered to. I'd appreciate it but I'm used to it.
The most bottom drawer of my fridge is the “crisper” drawer. If you have raw meat in your fridge it needs to be at the lowest possible point. Second story sounds like the vegan roommate is moving the raw meat higher up in the fridge, which is problematic
“You have undoubtedly saved my child’s life” that was completely sarcastic 😅 I was a little surprised at some of your responses like maybe you’re not quite yourself? I hope you’re feeling better now 💜
I was vegan for 3.5 years and went to my doctor asking for a blood test cuz I was feeling horrible and extremely fatigued. She proceeded to tell me that I had nothing to worry about and went on to say that I didn’t even need to supplement for anything. I brought up b12 and she scoffed saying people worry about that unnecessarily. When I expressed more concern she said I could take a multi if I really cared that much. When I finally convinced her to give me a blood test it showed that I was dangerously deficient in vitamin D. She refused to test for iron so that one is still unknown but it amazes me how little doctors seem to know or care about nutrition.
I hope you are doing better now. This sounds very serious. I was Not deficient, but had similar Symptoms. My doctor checked B12, Iron, D3, i believe Zink, potassium and sodium and a few Others, but also Other indicators for Organ problems like thyroid, kidney and liver. I recommend you see a different doctor if you still have problems, because it could be very serious. Also as vegan you should Supplement B12 in any Case, D3 (+ K2 for better Absorption). Depending on your needs some females need Iron, but you need to be careful, because you can also overdo iron. Personally I also Take Aha+dha from time to time but it is unclear If there is a value from taking these. If in doubt you can use a multi, but I think this really depends on the diet.
I have been vegan myself and used these Supplements along the way. There are definetly non negotioables like B12 and D3, that you will not find in a vegan diet no matter how healthy. The doctor should have known 😢 but also He should have checked anyway. At least where I live, these deficiencies are not that rare
@@kleinerplagegeistplagegeis5057 the vitamins I had been taking caused a horrible rash on my neck and jaw line so I was kinda just focusing on fortified foods. My b12 actually was okay but definitely had to take a d3
@@NicoleAndersonn I am glad you found a solution. Are you feeling better?
Have you tried D3 Drops? They are on an oil basis. And some Supplements you can chew or dissolve in your mouth. Maybe that might be helpful. Or maybe your body will tolerate a gelatine based supplement. Ofc this is not vegan then, but it is justifiable for health reasons I think.
@@NicoleAndersonn also i remembered you can drink B12.
Ofc I dont know what triggered the rash specifically. But I think it is possible it might be the Basis of the formular. Personally I struggled with cellulose formulars quite some time
@@kleinerplagegeistplagegeis5057 I actually stopped being plant based for a while cuz many issues were in my gut. It felt like I gave myself ibs and literally anything I ate would cause pain so I would just skip meals. It got bad. But I recently listened to Michael Greger’s “how not to die” and felt so empowered. I’ve been plant based for two months now and feel great. There’s been some trial and error but I’m micro-dosing on vegetables and legumes to train my gut. Also supplementing with b12, d3, algae and half a prenatal daily.
I really don't think its a good idea to have children figure out on their own how to eat a vegan diet. I went vegetarian when I was 13 and had to figure it out on my own. But I didn't figure it out I lived off of popcorn and bean and cheese burritos for months, and after that I remember eating microwave mac and cheese for years. Once I went vegan at 19 I was able to figure out how to eat more of a balanced diet but still struggled a lot with all the bad habits I had made. Also please parents, make a few vegan meals a week its extremally important to children (and even adults) to feel included.
I always doubt that even half of the AITA posts are real (not just the vegan ones, I mean), but love to hear your commentaries. Thank you for the video
My older brother was constantly teasing and ridiculing me when we grew up. I admit I laughed very loudly at the boy being punished with a whole month of vegan food.
And maybe that month of eating vegan somehow helped him to calm down a bit. I have this feeling, from real life and from online, that the highly carnivorous people are sometimes too agitated, to put it mildly.
First story: I agree re: the dad escalating the situation and not asking why daughter was going vegan, but I do think the first option he proposed makes the most sense. With 8 kids if one wants to make changes to their diet that no one else in the house wants to make, esp if that kid is 13, then yeah it makes sense to ask them to be responsible for the planning and execution of their meals. My family had 2 kids and we always had the option to make a second (vegetable-containing) meal for ourselves if we didn’t want to eat what was served. It promotes cooking ability and self-responsibility. The dad said they would be going over the daughter’s meals to make sure they were healthy, so it’s not like they were telling her ‘make your meals so long as we don’t have to put in any effort’, they were planning to put in the time and double check every meal before buying the ingredients. It’s everything after that where the immaturity takes off.
I think that 19:58 is actually meant ironically
that one with the parent and kid, about not knowing nutrition...is absolutely sarcasm/to gue in cheek
This was fun. Would be up for a part 2. ❤
Instead of splitting the refrigerator vertically, split it horizontally, giving the meat person the whole bottom shelf. Many refrigerators can adjust the shelfs, making it easy to adjust for space for the vegetables.
Refusing to accommodate your kid's taste preferences can become really distressing for many kids. I've always been a picky eater, but when I was forced to eat food I didn't like, I vomited. I'd also refuse to eat and go to bed hungry if I didn't have something I liked.
Adding the pressure isn't really helpful for most kids.
The "no idea about nutrition" comment was so blatently sarcastic I can't believe anyone could miss it, especially in the context of a well thought out, well written post (people never talk about it and even when my doctor directly asked are pretty massive giveaways). Maybe it's a cultural thing? Here in the UK, sarcasm is virtually always completely deadpan and you have to just interpret it (and there rarely any confusion about it). Maybe sarcasm is our default assumption and we're getting it wrong the other way sometimes when people are actually serious!
I'm not British (not American) and was 100% sure it was sarcastic.
First story: "If you want to be other, we will treat you as other as punishment" which indoctrinates them into thinking they have to eat meat to be accepted.
I'm vegan and I tell my teenagers that if they want meat or eggs in they can use their money for it and come home and cook it themselves. People tell me I'm mean but there are multiple lessons. 1. Appreciate the food given to you when it's free. 2. Basic cooking skills. I'm happy to instruct them on what to do, but if they want it, they can do the work or cooking and cleaning it up. 3. Money management.
I'm pretty sure the lady was responding to non vegans with sarcasm about not knowing things.
I love your reddit videos! I finally am glad you got into the reddit bandwagon. There are TONS of topics you discuss from there
I'm 99% sure the woman at 19:45 was being sarcastic....
Loved this video! The story of the bf not knowing he ate mock meats cracked me up!! What a win for fake meat lol
I would definitely watch more videos like this if you make them!
This video could make a very nice film with different stories. Some of them are like something out of a young Woody Allen. I could imagine a sketch with him feeling "assaulted" by all those fake meats and complaining to his shrink for days, lying on the couch....😂😂😂
The food at weddings, parties, refreshments, etc. are usually do not take organism into mind. Just eat b/f you go or bring a snack b/c if it's several hours long you're very likely to get very hungry!
Yea, that guy not letting his daughter go vegan can cause resentment issues for sure. My parents forced my to go through Catholic confirmation at 12 even though I told them I didn't believe in it. I'm still resentful about it even though it has been 21 years! He just needs to compromise about the fridge and stuff. She doesn't need a whole fridge!
I really enjoyed this format! Please more!!!
And i join the others: i think that mom was sarcastic lol
Although I feel he should have been more understanding of his daughter, her talking about her parents buying all her own pans, taking over an entire game room or even just a fridge shared by all and then expect everyone to some how cater to her and also be more vegan-like... Suck it up buttercup. Not going to happen. Most likely it's a fad anyway for them.
Agreed, and we dont know all the details but kids are kinda dumb, the parents maybe needed to take extra time and patience to explain to the kid why they were being unreasonable. But ofc kids sometimes just need stern limits.
@@APFC95 reminds me of an Arthur episode, one of the few I have seen. The Amish one with Buster. He tries to be Amish after learning about them and goes about rearranging his life to do so.
His parents support him, until he begins to push the ideals onto the rest of the family, (something simple over no buttons on clothing as I recall and also not to use electricity) and they begin to sternly, but still politely, tell him not to do that, as they do not want to be Amish. In the end he gives it up due to missing TV and video games, etc. Although he may have carried some of ideals with him.
I am sure this situation was more the parents like- "oh great, another year, a new want or like. At least it is not drums... Oh you want to be vegan, that's nice. Oh you want to cook your own separate foods, that's ok too. Oh you want "us" to buy you over $200 worth of pots and pans... ummm maybe on your birthday... Take over the gaming room fridge that was for everyone... I don't think that is fair for everyone else... Have us still cook, but cook more vegan friendly dishes... Yea, no."
Of course the daughter's requests was out of line, but the best option would be someone explaining to her that having completely separate hardware for cooking and storage is unrealistic in a ten person household, not her Large Adult Parent throwing a tantrum right back at her.
@@TasteOfButterflies as stated, this was most likely after request, after request, after request and they finally got fed up with her being so unreasonable. Enough is enough. They put their foot down and now "she's" the victim. No where else, but on a vegan channel would this be considered ok behavior by her. And her being of that age, probably exaggerating way out of proportion. But some parents have no patience either, so ehhh...
More of this, please! Fun video where we get to see your take on multiple topics
Could you do a video one day on how to read Nutritional information, allergy warnings and ingredients lists on products? I have friends who just keep on giving me non-vegan gift food and lately I looked up "how to read food labels" on UA-cam seeking something to send them one day so they can personally benefit from this knowledge they seem to lack, but ALL the most well-produced videos are by UA-cam health influencers I really would rather not link them to.
If I had a better vegan video to link them to which was by a vegan, not someone who literally recommends keto, it would help a lot. The main friend i'm thinking of is Filipino, and I'm Australian.
About that cookie thing - people may not even know, what IS vegan. My sister (and actually quite a lot of people here in Poland) thought fish is vegetarian. Thanks to the general catholic upbringing here. So yes, if you have any dietary restrictions (voluntary or not), don't shift the responsibility onto other people. They might just not now.
True, lots of people will ask me if I eat fish or poultry when I say I'm a vegetarian. I think it's also because pescatarians often do say that they're vegetarians. So sometimes there's a terminology confusion as well.
I think the boyfriend who was “tricked“ is really upset, because on a subconscious level, he knows that eating meat is wrong. (I bet he even considers himself an animal lover.) But he has resolved this conflict up until now, by telling himself that it is not practical to live a vegan lifestyle. This experience, which did not involve any subterfuge or manipulation (she never hid anything from him), has forced him to recognize that being vegan in the developed world in 2023 is really rather easy, and you don’t even have to give up many of the flavors that you love to live a life that does not involve cruelty and exploitation. He’s mad because he can no longer in good conscience rely on that crutch, so he’s directing his anger at her rather than at himself.
How dumb is this boyfriend if he did not understand that being vegan means you don’t cook meat? Obviously, he’s not that dumb. He’s just pretending.
Very clever comment!
The crisper in the fridge is specifically for vegetables and fruit.
I really appreciated your response to the parents not knowing about B12. I'm newly vegan. I have two kids, one 5 one 1. Our family doctor is not knowledgeable about vegan diets and we don't have the opportunity to find a vegan doctor. I am the only person in our family who is vegan and I'm learning what I can to keep my diet healthy. My kids are still wholely non vegan because the only guidance I can get from doctors is on an omnivore diet and kids diets are so delicate.
When I'm more experienced with balancing a vegan diet and when my kids will reliably take their vitamins (my 5 yr old is good with her vitamins but 1 yr old still refuses them) I'll give them the option to go vegan, but I have to put their health above my own moral convictions.
In vegan spaces I still see soon frequently 'just eat a diverse meal and you'll get what you need' which is very unhelpful. Especially with kids, deficiencies can be insidious and absolutely sneak up on you.
Thanks. Interesting video, and I feel your responses are quite reasonable.
About the parents who were clueless about nutrition and had been vegan for years... well, I have seen what non-vegans eat and I think it is safe to say that good nutrition is accidental in so many cases. I knew of a family where the kids just at what they wanted all day, which would have been fine if the food visible and available had been varied. They basically ate sugary, colourful cereal throughout the day and had the odd burrito with a scattering of cheese on it, mw'd, from time to time. The mother would give them their multivitamins daily, without fail, with the idea that they had all they needed and were happy because they were not forced to eat food they didn't like. Another family I knew: the mother would go pick up the kids from school and would pass a pizza place. She'd stop outside and beep for how many pizza's she wanted (pizza dough, tomato sauce and cheese) or she would have been to McDonald's earlier in the day and picked up some kiddie burger boxes which she would pop in the microwave when the kids got home. The parents ate later and had steak, veg, and a carb or some equivalent, basically 'normal' food. These were both financially very well off people. In both families, kids had unlimited access to however many sweets/candies they wanted. So, apart from B12, what were these kids getting nutritionally? It certainly was not varied. Yes, I agree, people are stupid.
Last story: The son definitely needs discipline to change his behavior but food as punishment is NEVER a good idea. Creates a negative association with the food, sometimes even a lifelong problem. It’s not that eating vegan is a punishment in general but to present it as a ‘consequence’ of the son’s actions makes it a negative stimuli, and makes the son more likely to resent veganism and vegan food.
Good point but they aren’t actually making him be vegan. They’re gonna vegan as a family but he’s allowed to buy his own food
The coworker is fucking nuts. Even Jewish people who keep kosher do, in fact, need to let a host know (outside obvious Jewish meals and gathering, where the assumption is more expected).
My take on most of these though is that all non vegans and most of the ‘vegans’ reference veganism as just a diet.
If anyone asks me my response is that I am vegan because of the horrendous treatment of certain animal species at the hands of humans and I don’t want to be a part of that any longer even in a small way. Whilst that always ends that particular conversation it leaves the non vegan in no doubt that offering me anything that includes an animal is going to be totally unacceptable and that avoids future issues.
I agree with you about the cookie thing. When I bring baked goods into my workplace office, I always make a vegan recipe just so they are dairy and egg free and most people can eat them regardless of diet. To me, that's a common courtesy when serving food in a public place. I've even made GF or nut free ones before. Also, baked goods are one of those things that are SO easy to make vegan and still taste good so IMO there's not really an excuse.
20:28 girl hoz did that pile of sarcasm go over your head hahahahah
Was OP being serious that they were unaware of the possible nutrient deficiencies? It almost sounded sarcastic, but I couldn't really tell.
I'm pretty damn sure it was sarcastic
The meat eater who was "forced" to eat fake meat is literally my dad lol. My mom repeatedly made lasagna, casseroles & other dishes with fake beef. Even when I'm not around.
& He often doesn't notice! He even sais stuff like: "the meat is delicious"
He even once accidentally ate a vegan burger at mc Donalds because they messed up our order & he only realised once he read the bill😂
Actually, after realising how well this works, we've been making vegan cakes on birthdays & I'm alway waiting untill the rest of my family started eating. That way, they don't know what's vegan & what isn't. ( The ones with allergies are informed of course)
Well, I really enjoy the surprised faces when they realise that it can indeed be delicious. Sometimes they ask how I substitute the eggs and milk & they are even more surprised when it's not "some chemicals" 😂
The people who forget that vegan food is just food are stupid.
Like I've had people say "well vegans can't eat anything!" While they were eating a pb sandwich.
This channel is great. I am learning so much about a sufficiently nutritious vegan diet. I am now leaning into veganism. Honestly I consistently consider the harm to humans and animals when I see and buy animal products. It’s nice to know how to be vegan.
Maybe you can take the chance now to join Veganuary (it's free) and see how you feel not eating animal products for a month in January.
@@mayhu3282 my kitchen became 100% vegan on 12/17/23,
This was such a great video, I need more! :)
Your reddit videos are so fun! :D
Great video. Stuff that happens (in a way) often. So cool to think about ahead of time how to handle similar situations.
@19:45 Yeah, let's not lie to kids, even if explaining it is hard. They are not stupid and showing that respect will make them better adults.
I just kept thinking break up break up break up, the whole video😂
Yeah, that kid wasn't given consent by the Grandma and the Mum was right to teach the child that beef is another word for "cow".
Fiber deficiency? What exactly is the RDA for fiber then? What are the symptoms?
Why would a coworker make cookies that arent vegan?? Maybe because she likes to make those cookies and wanted to share, and those who wanted to eat them could and those who didnt dont have to? Like, i hve potlucks all the time at work, nobody caters to every specific co-workers preferences every time they bring in treats.
I enjoyed this so much would love for you to keep doing these.
We got to hangout with you and thats a plus also.
The first one. The parent refusing to make adjustments for the child is sad. Coming from a vegan whose mum was able to make adjustments for me so I could eat every meal my family had. And they still all ate meat. Shed make all of the sides and accompaniments vegan so I could eat them (eg rather than using butter in veg, she will use olive oil) and then make me an alternative vegan option to the main meal. Eg a chicken curry for them and a veggie curry for me just by making one big sauce and then separating some out for me before adding meat. And she offered to do this for me because she loved me and supported my choice. And for context, I cook 75% of my own food, but when my mum decides she will be cooking for the whole family she makes sure to include me in that even though I'm vegan.
If I had a vegan in my office (I do not) I would make 2 batches of cookies. One vegan, one standard. If they worry about contaminated, washed/clean, stainless steel mixing bowls or baking sheets I cannot help them.
If I made something for my shift I would make sure everyone could eat it though. I’m from the south. You don’t let someone go hungry or tell them they can’t eat what you’ve got.
I'm one who believes children should never be raised vegan. If they want to become vegans as adults, that's entirely their choice.
I think if a kid decides to be vegan they should be supported
About the grandmother lying to her one and only grandson by saying no, it's not cow, it's beef and then going off in a huff and acting as if the child's mother was at fault, is something I have seen so often. People who consider themselves to be 'normal' because they do 'what everyone one else does' and cannot seem to stand that other people do differently, will try to get children to do what they do regardless of the children's parents' consideration. The grandmother was trying to 'score a point' by getting her forced-into-veganism-by-his-terrible-parents to eat some meat. If she had said to the mother, do you mind if I offer him some meat and the mother had said yes, but we call it cow and the two had discussed that out of earshot of the child, then things would have been quite different. Tolerance, people, tolerance. I've come across this with veganism, vegetarianism and home schooling. All are considered 'abnormal' and therefore reproachable by so many people who are not affected at all by our choices. Weird.
For the punishment of the bullying kid, no. I think it is better to take him to therapy and trying to figure out the source of the bullying. All behavior is communication. Forcing him to be vegan for a month is less likely to out a good taste in his mouth over a good one
I hate these comparisons to the Holocausts. Wearing a yellow star? Really? To me comparisons like this are just a notch above Holocaust denial. Just stop it.
The "vegetarian GF lied about being vegan" story is exactly why I don't say "I'm a vegan". When asked, I say I have a "vegan preference" - I buy vegan food (with the exception of eggs for my husband but I don't eat them) and make vegan meals at home and for my packed lunches. If I'm at a restaurant, I may get the vegetarian or vegan option. If someone brings a vegetarian treat or meal to share to work, I might eat that. Of course, doesn't that just mean I'm vegetarian? Technically, yes, but my diet is mainly vegan (and I greatly appreciate it when I'm given a tasty vegan option to eat). Basically, I don't want to call myself a vegan and then have someone see me eat an omelette in a restaurant and go, "She's a liar!!!"
20:00 That’s one of the downsides of ethical vegans when compared to strict vegetarians who are so for health reasons. Those who exclude animal foods from their diet out of health concerns are usually well aware of any possible nutrient deficiency in their diet (precisely because their health is their main concern) whereas ethical vegans exclude any animal foods from their diet for the sake of the animals (that is, animals other than themselves).
it was sarcasm
@@clankfish, it wasn’t. She’s aware that many vegans are rather ignorant on matters of nutrition. in addition, there’s also quite a bit of misinformation circulating among vegans. I remember many years ago a vegan girl told me that yeast contained vitamin B12. Well, it contains vitamin B12 only if it’s been fortified with it.
@ it's so very clearly sarcasm, my god man
14:15 How do you solve a problem like Maria?
Did you see Steph Tisone’s family made a series defending her against medical medium? Stephanie’s legacy.
That MIL is terrible. Definitely do not apologize. Her lying to your child was horrible. Imagine what she does behind your back regarding food. But also stupid for not knowing proper nutriton for the parents!
For the niece, I would just give my family the fixings for nonvegan and vegan food in a basket and call it a day
What do you mean by "the fixings"?
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That MIL is unhinged. It is not the mom’s fault that grandma eats animals 😤 My grandfather did the same thing with my brother but he didn’t say what he was eating had fish and my brother was so young and cried so much afterwards… so inconsiderate
Off topic but I need help! Is it normal for soy milk to smell like eggs?
I don't think so.
Absolutely not, it's gone bad, you should throw it out!
For number 3 this woman sounds like the most entitled human I’ve ever seen. If you eat different from 99% of the population you cannot just expect people to ASSUME you are vegan especially when you are a plus one and don’t even know these people. You have to tell them and this person even said they would have changed the menu had she asked nicely. Also she wasn’t even directly invited to this dudes party she is a plus one which he was nice enough to allow to come and then for her to act that entitled to the host of a party who doesn’t even know or and didn’t invite her shows a lot about her character. Also to ask for not just one vegan option but 2 when she is the only vegan person. Like talk about being extra. People with peanut allergies have to tell people and they don’t even choose that plus it could kill them. So she should have to as well especially since this dude was nice enough to ask if anyone had specific dietary issues. Then to compare it to making Jewish people wear badges during the holocaust is disgusting and I wouldn’t want someone like that at my party. Vegan people are not oppressed like POCs, lgbtq people, etc. in fact a lot of vegan people are rich white people. Good lord. I would tell my friend who is bringing her that plus ones are no longer allowed 😂
For number 4, I get that it’s not the best time to bring that up but just watching my gf lie blatantly and make a fool of an innocent person while being a total hypocrite would make me snap too. Honestly I would be so insulted by my gf standing there and complaining about having to put up with animal products in our home when she put them on the menu and forced me to host the dinner party. She’s making her bf look like a total insensitive asshole in front of her new friend who doesn’t care about his gfs “veganism” when it’s a total lie. I would have done the same thing and she deserved to be called out. It also isn’t fair to her friend that she is literally lying to her and basing their entire friendship on a blatant lie.
Interesting video! But you should vote clearly in each case, whether or not the OP is the ass hole, that's the purpose of the sub. It's fine to discuss the nuances, but I want to hear your 'NTA' or 'YTA'
The first one not acomodating their kids at all, like if your kid doest like mushrooms is it so hard not to include mushrooms on most things....? Feels like acomodating reasonable requests from your kids should be something you'd want to do as a parent idk. And if the resquests are unreasonable, like 800 dollars for kitchen supplies unreasonable, just take a moment to explain why. Kids dont know anything its your job as a parent to walk them through stuff and be a safe and conforting source and a source of reason for them
today i learned that if you aren't vegan you literally do not eat vegetables. But yeah, I understand what he means about non vegan food trying to be vegan. Not with the burgers, becuse "burger" is kind of a broad item, and beyond meat is similar in macros to regular beef, but I don't like when vegans do hijinks such as replacing ham with grilled watermelon or replacing fish with pickled tomatoes. turning a meal into a snack is not okay
The boyfriend who was fed meat alternatives was 1( a bad listener, 2) an incurious dolt, and 3) a grudge-holder. The girlfriend should have warned him, but since it never once occurred to him to ask, and since it was a "no harm, no foul" situation, he should have got over it. She's probably well rid of him.
Tricking vegan into eating meat is not the same as tricking non-vegan into eating plant-based products, because non-vegans eat plants anyway.
As a non-vegan I eat plants, but I don't eat processed garbage. I also don't like to get tricked into eating food imitations, if you try that with me you better run ;-) Also, people might be allergic to ingredients they unknowingly eat and it might not end well for them.
The first one started pretty reasonable but then yeah that escalated. I hope that can work that out.
I'm pretty sure the nutrition disclaimer at 20:00 was entirely sarcastic 😅
23:08 Lmfao 😂
About the 13yo in a family of 8 children, and having had five teens in my life, I'm going to hazard a guess that one of the reasons for the girl going vegan might have been a means of getting a little extra attention - she might be the child who has always managed to get the most attention so I'm not saying the parents neglected her at all, or any of the other kids, just that some kids are 'attention greedy' while others just go and do their own thing quite happily and most seem somewhere in the middle. So, if she went vegan and her parents just said 'sure, yeah', then what? well, she had no choice but to 'escalate'. Perhaps all the parents had to do was put a box in all of the fridges with 'vegan' written on it and only vegan stuff could go in there. Next, the parents could have gone online with their daughter and looked up vegan dietary needs. The groceries for a vegan are actually almost the same as those for a non-vegan if the diet is healthy. If it is not, then it will be vastly different - ready meals, meat based packaged meal starters, etc. So, the mention of different groceries seems to lean towards a rather unhealthy diet. Pasta with meatballs if made from scratch, simple: remove a portion of pasta and sauce before adding the meatballs and add lentils or beans to the vegan version. So, it seems the parents were making their own life more difficult than it needed to be and so did the daughter. If a child wants to go vegan, it's not that difficult for their parent to spend 20mn googling vegan nutrition, right? preferably with the child. Learning moment for all involved. Good stuff.
Swazy must be so smart if she calls a reddit vegan dumb a thousand times when the redditer was clearly being sarcastic... absolute 'pick me' move
I’m gonna make a whole different comment for the second one bc my first was super long but yeah I agree you should never keep your meat in the vegetable drawer. Like wtf does he mean it’s the best place to keep it like that is a vegetable drawer for a reason. My fridge, which is a really old one so I’m sure newer fridges have even more storage options, has a specific drawer for dairy/lunch meat which is kinda small but that’s bc it’s meat for ONLY meat and cheese and stuff bc once again like you said meat should be kept separate. I tell my mom the same thing that if she wants to buy meat please do not put it near my vegetables, fruit or anything else fresh. It’s funny he doesn’t want the meat in his yogurt but has no problem putting it on someone else’s vegetables. He could at least put the meat into a few plastic bags doubled up and zipped so there isn’t any chance of it seeping into anything else. My family always froze our meat anyway the chance of it going bad before you can eat it is much lower and we also kept all of our meat like that in the downstairs basement freezer so it was separate form like ice cream, frozen veg and other stuff. Mind you my family were huge meat eaters growing up so even they didn’t carelessly put them with the vegetables.
They need to shit down and come up with a compromise that they are both happy with. Has dude ever considered getting a mini fridge specifically for meat or a freezer bc a lot of ppl do that anyway for sanitation reasons. Like if your roommate was allergic to peanuts you aren’t gonna store an opened jar of peanut butter on top of their vegetables so why can’t he compromise. He isn’t this persons parent so he can’t just be like “no this is how we do it” it is a shared living space they both pay for and so they should make compromises.
We all understand that that update was dripping with sarcasm, yes?
Oh Ohmygod now that you point it out I do. Hearing Swazye read it sincerely made me take it at face value. But yeah it’s obviously sarcasm especially the “you have saved my sons life”
Yes that mother in law is awful for throwing a birthday party for a vegan and making it not vegan, but lets pretend that didn't happen for a moment.
I don't think she was definitely trying to confuse him by saying it was beef and not cow. It would be easy to assume that he knew what beef was. Now by not explaining what beef was when he evidently didn't know she was probably taking advantage in not explaining what it meant.
That mother in law isn't a very considerate person. She may be great in other areas, but not in being considerate.
What a fun video. I love the last one
I loved this video and hearing your takes.
This video was incredible! More like this please 😂
The lady with the vegan niece needs to get the lady who tricked her bf to cook food for her sister
I have health and other keeps me kind of trapped. So when I go on to social media, I do not go looking for somebody specific. Before because I was subscribed and because I watched you. I always got the invitation to watch your videos. This is the first video i've been offered in over two years? Maybe more. I'm glad that you're doing well. I found the things that you read kind of crazy. I still think the world's gone mad. I have been digging for almost fifty eight years and for all sorts of reasons. And very much for the animals but I still don't want contamination of my food. Anyway it's hard to believe people are the way they are. But then again there's so much of it I don't know why i'm surprised. I never assume what's in my food I asked in great detail. I saw somebody commenting that it wasn't good to give this boyfriend vegan food, Because he may have an allergy. I know that anybody with a serious allergy is going to ask if that is in their food! So I don't think that's a valid reason. I agree with you he didn't ask questions he just ate. He didn't even help prep or clean up so whatever. She was doing him a great favor. The ones involving children always shock me, They should have the same support as an adult. More so because their children. Anyway good show. Thanks good to see you after all this time.🌱
When I was 14 I decided to go vegan. At first it was for health reasons and then slowly evolved into ethical and then eventually ethical and environmental reasons. My parents did the same thing as the dad did in the beginning where they paid for my food but I’d have to plan and cook all my own foods. Eventually my mom started occasionally cooking vegan meals for me and my parents even bought me this really cool vegan cookbook and me and they would try some of the stuff I made especially my mom. I never asked for special pans or to have an entire fridge for myself bc that’s absolutely ridiculous and such a spoiled brat thing to do. We literally had 3 fridge/freezers in the house for 4 of us and I still didn’t ask for one bc they each had a special purpose like the beer/drink fridge outside😂 (with all the stickers covered in it, if you are in MD you will relate lmao). Since I never asked for insane shit like buying me hundreds of dollars worth of pots and pans it never became an issue. Mind you my dad is like your typical Irish middle aged American dad who’s diet consists of meat, dairy, potatoes, and jack daniels. We even had a literal hunting closest in our house filled with guns and camo clothing 😂 Tbh tho he would hunt every once in a while but never killed a deer which he said was bc he refused to kill babies and females but I think he felt bad. He’d occasionally kill ducks but mostly he just liked to fish. He respected my choice tho and I was just appreciative that my parents paid for my after I got a job at 16 and even after I was 18 but still living there. We always cooked our meatballs separate from the pasta anyway and since my mom cooked most of the vegetables she had no problem separating out a little bit of mash potatoes for me before she added butter. Just reminds me how grateful I am to have parents that never forced me to eat food I didn’t want to.
I eat I guess what you would call flexitarian now bc when I was homeless and in and out of rehab for over 6 years I had to stop being vegan bc I literally didn’t have a choice. I lived in the HOOD so it was already a food desert and when you are homeless it’s even harder to get vegan food especially during Covid. I just ate what people gave me when pan handling or I would get lunches from this school that gave them out in my area or $50 snack cakes at the corner store. Yeah it basically sucked to say the least. When I was in rehab and especially in jail I either ate what they gave me or didn’t eat at all. I live with my mom now since I got clean and since I cook all of our meals we both eat almost entirely plant based but we do occasionally eat like honey or eggs especially when going out to eat. It’s funny bc my mom would never be mostly plant based if it wasn’t because of me constantly reminding her how the animal industry is horrible lol and she had no problem eating what I cook. As for my other family members I just make vegan stuff and don’t tell them until after they eat it and love it. My aunts father in law yesterday said my corn bread (which is vegan) was the best corn bread he’s ever had and everyone else basically said the same thing too. They are even more of heavy meat eaters than my immediate family like I mean they have an entire game room full of deer heads and even a bear and a bunch of ducks. I made a vegan cake too and they all LOVES that too and are even asking me to make them other baked goods like bread and stuff. I am a pastry chef by trade tho so my stuff is really good lol.
I think this dad took it too far like you said when he got mad and was just like “you are no longer allowed to be vegan under my roof”. If it was me and let’s say for example and I was a heavy meat eater and my daughter wanted to go vegan I would do what you said and sit her down and have her explain to me why exactly she wants to be vegan and what made her decide that as well as exactly how important to her it is. If it’s for ethical reasons I would have no problem cooking stuff separately or buying vegan pasta bc I wouldn’t be so stubborn as to cause my child actual emotional distress and pain bc I’m too stuck in my ways. If it’s your kid you should want them to be happy and not feel guilty over everything they eat. If they try and pull the shit she did I would be like “that fridge is for the family, we have 8 children and we need the extra space. I have no problem with you continuing your veganism and I will still pay for it but if you want your own fridge you can walk to the garage and if you want your own pans you can get a job or do chores to make money and pay for it yourself. Or you can just keep your stuff with ours in the normal fridge and deal with it.” I’m sure if it’s that important to her then that compromise should be good enough. He didn’t need to ban her from being vegan just bc she made a couple demands I didn’t like. If I really didn’t wanna cook stuff separately I would be like why don’t you help with dinner and make the pasta yourself so you can separate some oil first before we add the animal products. Most pasta is vegan anyway so refusing to use pasta without egg is kinda ridiculous. This is way longer than I planned for lol oops.
Most hunters I know only kill older bucks. They have taught their children (daughters & sons) to do the same.
I think a vegan would probably have a very hard time in my office. It’s all emergency services personnel and many of them are hunters. Every get together has food co workers obtained by hunting.
It’s a large part of life in Southern Appalachia. Many of the guys in my class that came from struggling families would get up at 3am and hunt before school. My dad started hunting small game at 8 years old to help his family survive. His father was a WWII veteran who did not come back from the war the same. He became a raging, abusive, alcoholic who drank all the money.
Luckily they had a small garden and lived close to their maternal grandparents who constantly gave them fresh vegetables but rabbit and squirrel provided needed protein.
I refused to touch any game until someone kinda tricked me into eating deer when I was in my 20s. I thought it was beef stew and he didn’t correct me. I wasn’t a vegetarian or vegan. I ate meat. I just wasn’t fond of the idea of hunting.
I found out it was deer when I went back for my second bowl. It was that good.
Now I partake at work gatherings 1-2 times a year.
Stories 1, 3 & 4 already sound extremely faked for reactions, as are many posts on reddit
Food should never be punishment. Turn this situation around, say the boy was bullying his meat eating sister. So his mother punished him by forcing him to eat carnivore for 30 days. Is that ok? Punishing children with food can cause permanent psychological damage.
The entitled coworker, is that maybe That Vegan Teacher? Because it sounds like it.
Vegan cookies that I’ve had are pretty gross (I have vegan family members), making nasty cookies for a bunch of people who can eat normal cookies would defeat the purpose when only one person would even benefit. I have several people at my campus ministry that are gluten free, dairy free, diabetic, and plenty more. You just can’t meet everybody’s needs, if you decide to eat in a way that is very different from others you need to accept that there are going to be times that you will not be accommodated (everything I listed is not a decision, yet most are more mature about not being accommodated than many vegans and other self inflicted dietary restrictions). Especially when you don’t need to eat it. I’m an extremely picky eater, and when I don’t like something, I just don’t eat it. It’s annoying, but I’m adult, have a kitchen, and buy my own groceries. I frequently eat something before I go to a place where I’m unsure about what is available, so if all I like there is dinner rolls or something small I will not have an issue and I can get something after if needed. But no one needs cookies that someone unexpectedly brings in. Be upfront with your question, and realize that if you can have it, that’s great. If not, others will enjoy it.