CLEAN Cab Concept: Will It WORK?
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2022
- Kentwood Fire Department just got delivered a brand new 2022 Spartan pumper. You get to see the truck BEFORE it goes into service. Chief Brent Looman walks us through the planning and thought process for completing this truck. Chief does a great job describing where the tools will be located and the reasoning behind the decisions. The CLEAN CAB concept is new to Heroes Next Door and it was exciting to see health and safety concerns being addressed in the apparatus itself. Hope this gives you ideas for your next pumper!
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Even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."
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The US and Canadian fire apparatus is always so beautiful that it makes me teary-eyed. Nowhere else in the world do you see such beauty!
Great content as always Mike! Nothing better than a fresh new truck
Thanks for watching
As a resident of Kentwood, I'm super happy to see this truck being put together. I watched engine 51 responding as 53, so it was probably when this was being put together, and I love to know what goes into making stuff happen.
And for everyone complaining about the clean cab, I rarely hear fire calls on the radio. It's mostly vehicle accidents and medical calls, which don't usually require bunker gear.
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Might as well just not have bunker gear at all then, right?
Matthew
YES, lot more EMS calling today in Firefighting
Do the guys want to live with a Cancer for rest of there lives, the Pain you go through in treatment. I understand the thoughts on wanting to be ready as soon as first Due arrived. But they must think of there Health first and foremost. Look at the Manning issues with the cuff virus. So meany out on sick call. Does it really take that long to suit up. You suit up at station ( same time it takes to suit up at scene. Putting on a AirPack in a seat of moving vehicle versus being on ground no movement ( You yourself standing) just think a clean cab is a HEATHY cab, to ride in. Let the compartment in back get CANCER, plus it's easyer to
Clean a wall in compartment than a Air Pack holding seat.
Congratulations Kentwood Fire Department, rig looks great!
Beautiful truck and a great video
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Some of the bigger proponents of clean cabs such as Miami and Phoenix have recognized that the clean cab concept has failed. Truck specs are returning back to SCBA in seat. Let’s be honest we can easily wash our gear and SCBA post fire. Throwing your pants and coat on quick before you get on the truck and completing the donning process enroute to a scene is 100% faster than rushing on scene to get dressed.
Not doubting you at all, but can you (or someone else reading this) point me in the direction of some posts/information supporting that? I’d love to share it with a few people I know who still support the “clean cab” idea…. Thanks!
@@ATFDFF Miamis new engine that was at fdic had scbas back in the seats
@@trayjonrox Oh I didn’t notice that! Wow. Thanks for filling me in, I appreciate it!
Instituting a gross decon procedure at the scene really helps with reducing exposure.i don't know a whole lot about clean cab setups because my dept. Has never had that setup, but our safety office developed the gross decon procedure.
Te Nordic European regions have started testing it (only SCBA tho) and the delay is approximatley 5-10 seconds. They have done it for safety reason in traffic colisions to prevent the tanks for flying all around the cab if the locks fail but of course also to decrease the chance of cancer, you will never get all the particales of the mask or tank.
In the UK we have had a National Fire, Police, Ambulance and Military radio system since 2006 and were due an update in 2020! We are also working on National Ambulance specification where all the cupboard's and kit is in the same place. This will allow greater resilience in multi-service incidents. It is not uncommon where I work that the Rapid Response Solo Paramedics could be backed by an Ambulance from two different Services.
GOTTA LOVE MICHIGAN !WELCOME HOME MIKE🇺🇲🏆🏅
Thank you it was nice to be home. Lots have changed in the 29yrs I’ve been gone
Would u do a part 2 of this fire engine once it’s 100% complete?
Proud to say I Built that!
Great job
So, this is a BLS certified truck., can it be converted into a ALS truck and what additional equipment would be necessary?
Love the potato man
Shame to see a clean cab...I'm all for cancer prevention, but not at the hindrance of doing your job as effectively as possible. For example, you removed gear and SCBA's from your cab but not the TIC? This truck seems more EMS and Hazard oriented than firefighting, still a great looking truck and will undoubtedly serve the community very well. As always great video you guys, thank you for providing us with all varieties of trucks that are out there operating. Nobody operates exactly the same and no two trucks are the same.
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Welcome to Michigan!
Thanks it was an amazing trip. We hope to schedule more soon
On a lot of the older trucks and ways of doing it the scba’s were actually stored in the cabinets of the truck, especially in the 70s and 80s, at least put in the country down here in the south. The canopy cabs and the queen cab trucks with the packs on the tailboard or cabinets. Same as it used to be. You either spend time donning gear at the station or at the scene, same amount of time if not really close
What was old is new again. Kinda like the doors swinging open vs roll up doors. 😉. Check out station 3 from Denver
Question on the clean cab concept: Do the firefigthers do all their dressing at the scene? So pants, jacket etc. plus SCBAs or just the SCBAs?
They don everything at the scene..
I mean the idea is good, but it only works if everybody that is contaminated changes the gear after a fire on Scene before entering the cabin.
I may be wrong about it but. I think since the turnout gear can be wash often or after major event in house with a gear extractor. There should be less contaminent then on scba strap assembly etc also the seat seem to be easier to clean then a scba seat mount.
They may also want them to wear the turnout gear inside the cab for getting out in cold weather rain.
@@davidrobitaille3698
YES was thinking the same. The seats with Air Pack mounts have all these hidden areas that can be hard to reach for Disinfecting the area.
I hope you do a tour around the Greater Boston area, Mike.
All we need are invites from those companies
The federal Q2b is one of the most important parts of a fire truck! As federal signal would say “ITS NOT A FIRE TRUCK UNLESS ITS GOT A Q” electronic siren is code 3 vcon!
You should check out cedar springs fd in Michigan
Send us invites
You bet!!!
That Q siren is the best thing on a firetruck. Thats the hill ill die on lol
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Can you do a video of Delaware County fire department station 2 Norwood fire co.2
We just need that official invite to make that happen
@@HeroesNextDoor okay sadly I wish I could do that but I’m only a junior there
First comment and I love your vids keep on going strong 💪
oof so close to 1st
My dad works for a company called CSI emergency apparatus in grayling Michigan they do lots of work for spartan chassis
I Hear you all on the clean cab, I do. I remember when the officers talked about there is no way a Pick up will replace the Chevy suburban as a command vehicle. Well look at all FDs now, every one has a pick up with canopy for separation of gear not being in back seat area. I look back at the mini Pumpers coming say 20 to 30+ years ago. One of this guys videos shows a FD with a F-550 that carry 500 gallon of water, first out main Engine because of access to homes with long Drives, a Regular size pumper is to big. Look at the short wheel bases of those Wildlands Fire Engines that the State of California buys, all the same type of Engines
Smaller than a full size pumper.The mini Pumpers went away to a bigger Engine from the past. If the NFPA makes a ruling on NO gear/Air Packs in front area, the FDs must spec there Equipment to that standard. The way Air Packs sit behind seats in cabs, there is always dirty areas that are hard to reach for Disinfecting that area. YES you are all Right about the time of a Firefighter being suited up when they get to scene. But CANCER is a life Time sickness. The Chief in this video said ( 3 of his guys have Cancer) I'm only asking you all to think about yourself, your Life. Is it really that important to spend a few minutes, suiting up at scene. Yes I realize that there might be People that need Rescue from BURNING building/ vehicle, but YOU have to live with that CANCER for the rest of your life. What is more important for YOU. That short time ( the Chief in this video says it take just second's ) to suit up at scene. I do understand your thoughts on wanting to be ready to fight fire or save a Life as soon as you arrive. But look also at your Life's Health. Without you there is no Rescue of People in need. I don't know of a Firefighter that wants to live with CANCER, the pain you go through as you age. You NOT being able to do the JOB you Loved, going out on EARLY Retirement, because you got Health issues. Please just think about your Health. There is a reason you must have a clean cab. I see the clean cab consent being a NEW rule going forward.
if you have 2 engine companies arriving at the scene of separate working house fires with people trapped ….One engine company has firefighters fully geared up w/ scbas . The other engine company is configured like this one . Firefighters and officer not fully geared up , no scbas . There is no way , no way possible the time to stretch an attack line and get personal in the building is same amount of time for both companies. Just doesn’t make sense . If the gear is contaminated after a fire , they could store it in one of the cabinets on the way back to the firehouse . They all have minimum of 2 sets of gear nowadays and some even have extractors to clean the contaminated gear
Agreed‼️💯
But chances are a clean cab department isnt going to rush in anyways….. gotta get the smoke curtain out the fog nails….. fire is scary and nobody survives anyways….. right?
You bet! 😂
Mike how much is the foam tank on the appliance
Like $ or how much does it carry?
@@HeroesNextDoor hi how much liters does it carry. The British crash tender I look after carrys 5000 llitets of water and a 1000 liters of foam too
@@robertrussell7388 it carries 20 gallons of foam or 75 liters
@@zacw4243 ok
Great video. Very informative. Care to share the cost of this rig?
Not sure but we can find out
@@HeroesNextDoor That would be helpful. Thanks.
@@markandrew579 the cost of that truck was 570k, but.....To order another one just like it, its 650k now.
@@HeroesNextDoor Ouch! But thank you. Good info.
I missed what compartment the Bunker Gear and SCBA's were going to be kept in?
Exactly what I said! I waited through the whole Truck tour. There was no designated compartment shown. Or from what was mentioned, available.
We understood that each seat would be assigned a cabinet that also has their first out tools. That is where their gear will be place or hung
Nice, those Bible verses.
Beautiful engine but sending a $million+ rig on an endless series of medical runs is nuts. Buy each station house an SUV or minivan, crew it with a couple of EMT's and let them handle the medical calls. Keep the big equipment at home until it's really needed.
clean cab, have to climb to get LDH, cribbing on top of the engine?? gross
All I’m going to say is Clean cabs don’t make grabs
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Clean cab is an awful decision in my opinion. There is nothing worse then looking like a bunch of slapped asses getting your shit on while a house is burning down especially if there is entrapment. How do you justify having to get dressed when you have a kid hanging out a window. Just my opinion 🤷🏾♂️
Clean cabs dont make grabs
Great point but don’t you have to dress either way. At the station or at the scene?
Dress at the station pack on in the truck gives you time to make sure the pack is on right while responding and youre not rushing and screw it up your life relies on the fact that you did it right you also lose compartment space on the truck for other equipment and also if you roll up you have to get out without the ability to go on air there may be that time that you need to be on air from the time you arrive till the time you leave based off whats in the air may have an anhydrous ammonia leak you want to be on air before you even arrive
I admit I'm not as experienced as many, but I absolutely disagree with not being ready to roll as soon as the air break hits.
You roll on to scene to see a fully involved house fully rolling, your adrenaline is gonna be through the roof, you're gonna be antsy to get in. Plus just bad optics to the community to see you get off without even your bunker gear on.
I'm all for evolving policies and ways of doing things from the past as we learn more about cancer. But with anything, you can quickly go overboard.
I'm all for hot and cold zones in the station, this or that. But if a crew rolls up and hopes out in their station gear as my house is rolling. I'm gonna be pissed
@@HeroesNextDoor Thats fair. I think it costs critical time to have to pull your stuff out put it on and then pull out an airpack and put it on as opposed to being ready to go when you arrive on scene. Yea I know it may only be a few seconds you lose but in our profession those seconds can be the difference between life and death. I think the idea of clean cab is good in theory. I just don’t think it’s practical.
Only problem with the truck - it’s a spartan
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I really don't think its smart to keep your gear in the back, you cant just show up on a call and pull hose. It WILL slow down your response times
So let us through this out. By this logic EMS emts and paramedics should be wearing gloves and masks and gowns while riding to the call also? A cardiac arrest can’t get more serious and time sensitive but yet they don’t, why? What’s the difference other that tradition?
@@HeroesNextDoor so think about this you call 911 you house is on fire, you family is stuck in the second floor, the fire trucks get there and you see a bunch of guys hop out not in gear. They have to gear up get the ladder hoses axe ect. That a lot to do when house fire these days double in size every 30 seconds
These are the worst design. We've implemented so many other effective procedures that make these unnecessary.
Imagine a fire engine pulls up in front of your burning house and the firefighters get out wearing pants and t shirts.
Might be the worse designed engine I have ever seen absolutely a stunning failure of ergonomics, common sense of placement of tools, compartment layout and actual specs I actually burst out laughing thinking it couldn’t get worse but it did