@@mrmodemhead Found this on fluke's website for the T 600.. I watch your video and wasn't sure if it would check frequency? A Copy paste.. * Measure AC voltage, current, and"frequency"?? without touching a live wire..👍 Troubleshoot with all power supply measurements at-a-glance See AC voltage and current values without test leads,... I kind of like that, without touching a wire, You're not checking 4 kva or15,200v Where I work ✔️ing VFD Drives and motors With this meter, I don't get the big fuss people are putting? I don't see how 120/277 V, could jump through that plastic jaw, While you are grounding it?
I think it more comes down to AvE got pissed and made a pissy video with exaggerated claims, presented flawed evidence as fact since it supported his claims, and just plainly didn’t take the time to properly test his “facts.” To be human is to be flawed. Great video
A good, balanced assessment, particularly the point that the fieldsense is not a precision feature. I’d like to see a high voltage ‘insulation’ test of that capacitive coupler, though.
I got the 600 when it first came out. Haven't touched most of my other meters since for only one reason, Fieldsense. When I was in the field i regularly worked industrial equipment 600v+. +CL0 we were required to wear gloves. The time savings was quite significant in not having to physically open additional pathways to access contact points.
@@matthewellis3004 It's accurate enough. At 120v if you see 130 you know it's reading around 120. If people were using it on 5v systems then yea it wouldn't be accurate enough.
Thanks, ran all the tests I wanted. I knew it was fine, just frustrated someone posted a misleading video. All I can assume is that it is capacitatively coupled at a set distance and then they've calibrated the meters to translate that on the screen, which is where the inaccuracy probably lies as .1mm out on that coupling capacitor will be a big difference in accuracy. I bet if you even squeezed the case too hard it'd affect the result as the plastic flexes.
I subbed. I wouldn't use that meter even though you showed it works and is safe. I want accurate readings at a glance. I don't want to try to do the math in my head to figure out the real voltage, while trying to figure out what the problem is with whatever I'm working on.
still think its not a good idea for a industrial grade meter to potentially use your body as part of the circuit .... its fine sticking it in 120 VAC, but would it do the same if you poke it in a industrial 660V system?
If all works well, by being capacitively coupled you’re not really in circuit, any more than you are when activating a touch lamp. I guess the cap is rated and tested to a certain cat rating, so it should be safe to use up to the voltage stated.
well, this exact thing is how a voltage tester is testing phase direction, the things used in industry on 3 Phase systems Usually this is done by some conductive foam in the handle, that's why those give you bad readings when you don't touch them properly well, Fluke did name it a metal grounding pad and immediately the Internet began raging WOOO THATS NOT SAFE If they had stick to conductive foam, non of this shitstorm would have happened
The question on the touchie pad is really how well it will stay isolated over the long term. Capacitors tend to eventually leak at least a little current and I'm not sure I would want to be sticking my one red probe in there while holding onto the (isolated) black back grounding pad. Using it only for the capacitive voltage sensing on the fork on the front makes sense from a technical standpoint to get a reading but unless the red probe is also stowed and you're just using the fork, you're relying just on that isolation when you stick the thing into a panel of randomness, etc...
If you check Mikes tool she video he shows the capacitive film caps inside the plastic battery cover. It looks like they thought it out enough to issue a new battery cover should it not function.
I guess the advantage of the T6-1000 over the T6-600, in field sense mode, is that with being able to display both Volts and Amps, if you know that volt is 120, and field sense reads somewhere near that, then you know you can trust the Amp reading.
I've been a Fluke fan for decades. The environments that I work in are usually poorly lite and typically wet. I feel this meter contradicts my typical safety regiment. If I want a ballpark guess on readings I'll get a ticker. Not something I would like to see an apprentice have to learn on. The idea of one body being part of the circuit is silly especially when the knockoffs hit the market. Thanks for the video.
Fluke made the mistake of focusing too much on sales instead of information and they’ve created a really controversial if not hostile culture around it. It seems like Fluke doesn’t like being very transparent. The T6 is a bit lacking with accuracy, but there’s potential if the technology can be improved. I still think it’s worthwhile for the backlight and wider jaw and grounded field sense if you can find a T-600 for a decent price. It still has a little more functionality over the T5. It would be nice to see a decimal for DC voltage testing. They really take away from its ability for that feature without it.
Even if the grounding pad is completely safe, the Fluke manual should clearly state under what situations you might expect to see a voltage, and why it is that the meter is still safe. Users should not have to rely on the third party tear down videos (as informative and useful as they are) to prove that the meter is safe!
I'm pretty sure there's some internal fuse for safety, but from what I see the meter's battery is probably using you as a path to ground then comparing it to the emr going through the red prope through some internal coil. maybe if you took the red gave it it voltage, then touch the black you might get shocked, but in that case the black wouldn't even be in the proper spot to use field sense, and for that to happen the switch would have to be on voltage anyway, so the field sense circuit would be open. Maybe if you jammed the port so it stays closed, then took a wire and place it in the port with the black wired to it and stick the red on a live and put it in voltage then you might energize the touch thing, but that's deliberate misuse., in that case the meter would probably blow up anyway and in that case you purposefully did that. In other words you'd have to find a way to connect to voltage reading circuit to the field sense circuit in parallel to get shocked, but in that case the wire for the field sense would probably melt before enough current flows to harm you or there's more than likely some fuse on the field sense circuit anyway, and for that to happen you'd have to purposely do this or the meter got damaged, in which case you'd probably get hurt once you try to measure with the two probes anyway, but that's damage to the meter and it probably wouldn't turn on so you'd know something was wrong. It's easier to show drawn then explain in text.
"a little finicky" yeah that's what I want when I'm troubleshooting. BTW if I remember correctly you can ground the red and read on the neutral in field sense mode. Nice vid. aVe is right...
Nice first video, and useful, thanks. You should keep making videos!
Thanks, Dave. It's not as easy as you guys make it look.
EEVblog take it apart !
@@mrmodemhead Found this on fluke's website for the T 600.. I watch your video and wasn't sure if it would check frequency? A Copy paste.. * Measure AC voltage, current, and"frequency"?? without touching a live wire..👍
Troubleshoot with all power supply measurements at-a-glance
See AC voltage and current values without test leads,... I kind of like that, without touching a wire, You're not checking 4 kva or15,200v Where I work ✔️ing VFD Drives and motors With this meter, I don't get the big fuss people are putting? I don't see how 120/277 V, could jump through that plastic jaw, While you are grounding it?
Awesome video. More people need to see.
Thanks Mike, and also thanks for ripping the cover off of yours.
Mikes Tool Shed brought me here
You clearly know what you're doing. I like the fact you used two meters to keep the tests honest. Please keep posting videos.
I think it more comes down to AvE got pissed and made a pissy video with exaggerated claims, presented flawed evidence as fact since it supported his claims, and just plainly didn’t take the time to properly test his “facts.” To be human is to be flawed. Great video
Yeah AvE is a blatant scumbag.
A good, balanced assessment, particularly the point that the fieldsense is not a precision feature. I’d like to see a high voltage ‘insulation’ test of that capacitive coupler, though.
I got the 600 when it first came out. Haven't touched most of my other meters since for only one reason, Fieldsense. When I was in the field i regularly worked industrial equipment 600v+. +CL0 we were required to wear gloves. The time savings was quite significant in not having to physically open additional pathways to access contact points.
And it gave consistent accurate readings? Sounds like these people complaining about it are not operating it properly
@@matthewellis3004 It's accurate enough. At 120v if you see 130 you know it's reading around 120. If people were using it on 5v systems then yea it wouldn't be accurate enough.
Thank you, Mr. Modemhead, so much more balanced and scientifically accurate than some of the bumbling other videographers. Subbed!
dude whips out the ol' hp calculator to do the calculations. straight up baller, yo!
That calculator was about 6 years old when this came out... though RPN is "straight up baller" ;)
Thanks, ran all the tests I wanted. I knew it was fine, just frustrated someone posted a misleading video. All I can assume is that it is capacitatively coupled at a set distance and then they've calibrated the meters to translate that on the screen, which is where the inaccuracy probably lies as .1mm out on that coupling capacitor will be a big difference in accuracy. I bet if you even squeezed the case too hard it'd affect the result as the plastic flexes.
I subbed. I wouldn't use that meter even though you showed it works and is safe. I want accurate readings at a glance. I don't want to try to do the math in my head to figure out the real voltage, while trying to figure out what the problem is with whatever I'm working on.
Because I like your well explained first video I’ll subscribed. Not bad for first time. Thank you very much. Please continue.
Very great job in this. Hope to see more from you.
Keep 'em coming, great vid
T6 is the new hot topic on youtube lol new sub here 🙋
still think its not a good idea for a industrial grade meter to potentially use your body as part of the circuit .... its fine sticking it in 120 VAC, but would it do the same if you poke it in a industrial 660V system?
If all works well, by being capacitively coupled you’re not really in circuit, any more than you are when activating a touch lamp. I guess the cap is rated and tested to a certain cat rating, so it should be safe to use up to the voltage stated.
well, this exact thing is how a voltage tester is testing phase direction, the things used in industry on 3 Phase systems
Usually this is done by some conductive foam in the handle, that's why those give you bad readings when you don't touch them properly
well, Fluke did name it a metal grounding pad and immediately the Internet began raging
WOOO THATS NOT SAFE
If they had stick to conductive foam, non of this shitstorm would have happened
The directions say USE THE GROUND PROBE WHEN GLOVES ARE REQUIRED.
Great first video! Anything you're lacking in presentation is more than made up for in excellent info :)
The question on the touchie pad is really how well it will stay isolated over the long term. Capacitors tend to eventually leak at least a little current and I'm not sure I would want to be sticking my one red probe in there while holding onto the (isolated) black back grounding pad. Using it only for the capacitive voltage sensing on the fork on the front makes sense from a technical standpoint to get a reading but unless the red probe is also stowed and you're just using the fork, you're relying just on that isolation when you stick the thing into a panel of randomness, etc...
That's a good question. Joe Smith is on it, so stay tuned.
If you check Mikes tool she video he shows the capacitive film caps inside the plastic battery cover. It looks like they thought it out enough to issue a new battery cover should it not function.
I guess the advantage of the T6-1000 over the T6-600, in field sense mode, is that with being able to display both Volts and Amps, if you know that volt is 120, and field sense reads somewhere near that, then you know you can trust the Amp reading.
Very interesting video, I’ve been thinking about picking up one of these
Good stuff, Maynerd.
Thanks for the video!
Good & informative review!
Thanks for the video very helpful 👍👍
What if you measure voltage using the red point and you are holding the meter??
The ending was great lol. "Don't believe everything in UA-cam... Ironically." Lol
"he says ironically"
Brilliant!
Great video, glad to see someone actually understands electricity and potential. Unlike AvE
Mikes tool shed guy told me like 5 times to watch your video lol
Mr. Modemhead is the new AvE!
Great video
if i'm not an electrician does it make sense to have one of those ?
Great video sir
I've been a Fluke fan for decades. The environments that I work in are usually poorly lite and typically wet. I feel this meter contradicts my typical safety regiment. If I want a ballpark guess on readings I'll get a ticker. Not something I would like to see an apprentice have to learn on. The idea of one body being part of the circuit is silly especially when the knockoffs hit the market.
Thanks for the video.
“Don’t believe everything you see on UA-cam... He says ironically.”
Fluke made the mistake of focusing too much on sales instead of information and they’ve created a really controversial if not hostile culture around it. It seems like Fluke doesn’t like being very transparent.
The T6 is a bit lacking with accuracy, but there’s potential if the technology can be improved. I still think it’s worthwhile for the backlight and wider jaw and grounded field sense if you can find a T-600 for a decent price. It still has a little more functionality over the T5. It would be nice to see a decimal for DC voltage testing. They really take away from its ability for that feature without it.
Even if the grounding pad is completely safe, the Fluke manual should clearly state under what situations you might expect to see a voltage, and why it is that the meter is still safe. Users should not have to rely on the third party tear down videos (as informative and useful as they are) to prove that the meter is safe!
Mikes tool shed told me to check this out. I think he want to touch tips with u or something
I'm pretty sure there's some internal fuse for safety, but from what I see the meter's battery is probably using you as a path to ground then comparing it to the emr going through the red prope through some internal coil. maybe if you took the red gave it it voltage, then touch the black you might get shocked, but in that case the black wouldn't even be in the proper spot to use field sense, and for that to happen the switch would have to be on voltage anyway, so the field sense circuit would be open. Maybe if you jammed the port so it stays closed, then took a wire and place it in the port with the black wired to it and stick the red on a live and put it in voltage then you might energize the touch thing, but that's deliberate misuse., in that case the meter would probably blow up anyway and in that case you purposefully did that.
In other words you'd have to find a way to connect to voltage reading circuit to the field sense circuit in parallel to get shocked, but in that case the wire for the field sense would probably melt before enough current flows to harm you or there's more than likely some fuse on the field sense circuit anyway, and for that to happen you'd have to purposely do this or the meter got damaged, in which case you'd probably get hurt once you try to measure with the two probes anyway, but that's damage to the meter and it probably wouldn't turn on so you'd know something was wrong. It's easier to show drawn then explain in text.
Fuking awesome
great video man do a shop tour sometime for more subs i cant see how many you got but just keep making it and you will get pass 1k,
15:20 I dont believe you now I started to for 15 minutes though...
T5 it is cheers
"a little finicky" yeah that's what I want when I'm troubleshooting. BTW if I remember correctly you can ground the red and read on the neutral in field sense mode. Nice vid.
aVe is right...
You might try white balancing your video. Good job on your video.
Good suggestion. Thanks.
LMFAO......He says ironicly !!!
AvE goes reeee