I don't get how Leyton Orient & Bolton got into Europe by 2040, and it's darn impressive how Hull City, Preston, West Brom & Derby won titles too, but not Bristol City.....
More to the point, how did they do better than Millwall who are currently better than all the above mentioned teams (some who have even had parachute payments to help them!) ;)
Well Bolton was in the europa league last in 2008. So not to unbelievable. Mind you Leyton orient is surprising but certainly possible. But as a Bolton fan myself I certainly approve 😂
Am I the only one who was totally suprised by HANSA ROSTOCK in a european cab semi-final? :o edit: and they even one the cup once + Sandhausen and 1860 München as well. Crazy
One of the Finnish teams seen here is just crazy: Gnistan from Oulunkylä, Helsinki, who in real life play in Ykkönen, the second tier of Finnish football.
i get why its odd to other ppl though. the reg. season is their playoffs pretty much, we kinda diminish the importance of the reg season by adding playoffs to all of our sports
@@alexandrescu2000 the billionaires who own mls teams arent gonna risk relegation wiping their portfolio. thats why euro oligarchs wanted the super league so bad
MLS should have a conference with promotion/relégation system, I think it would be great. You would have an eastern and western conférence with franchise who cannot be relegated, and à third conférence with teams promoted from whatever second level there is in America.
I think that the biggest issue is fixture congestion. I don't know if the database removed the leagues cup, and it sounded like they might be playing in the CONCACAF CL too? Even playing in the default database my team ended up playing 2 games/week for at least 2 months straight between continental and league fixtures. The fatigue and rotation that result would be brutal for any team, let alone one that's spending like half of what other teams are and being limited to 30 players. The top MLS teams are playing up to about 60 games/year in the current FM database and operating on a significantly lower budget with more restrictions than their competitors, which is likely one of the issues holding them back in this save. I think that with qualifying from the low coefficient, a team might be playing closer to 70 games/season. That's not even getting into the travel, which could see a transatlantic flight, a match, and then another transatlantic flight with matches being 2 days apart.
I used to live in Würzburg and went to a few Würzburger Kickers games when I was there. irl they had 2 successive relegations from the 2. Bundesliga to the Regionalliga Bayern in the past few years and couldn’t make it back up to the 3. Liga this year. They have some great kits tho and to see them in a Europa League final on here is astonishing, given that their stadium has only one seating stand, and the rest is temporary scaffolding standing areas
imagining orlando or real salt lake being our sole representative in the uefa champions league is beyond hilarious to me, i think that FM can't ever quite simulate MLS realistically because on paper, the top clubs and the bottom clubs are a lot closer to each other in quality than, say, psg to the bottom of ligue 1, but FM can't perfectly factor in coaching ability, the challenges of geography and scheduling, and then organizational competence that isn't universal. this was a fun watch regardless i loved this
It's crazy how good some teams got. 1860 Munich (3rd division), Fürth (2nd Division) and even the Würzburger Kickers (Regionalliga Bayern). Just crazy how fast the big-medium sized clubs got replaced
As someone supporting my local club that is leading the cutrent supporter shield race it means a lot to us. Many supporters view the shield as the measure if the best side. It is true the MLS Cup is the champion and more recognized, but it does matter. It is a fun experiment given how we have structures for competitive balance. Many clubs could spend 2, 3, 4X given the financial means behind them. We as a culture prefer parity over utter dominance like we see in thr Bundles Liga for example. More realistically I hope MLS sides might get into Copa Libertadores in the 2030s.
Maybe a new idea for a serie is, where you simulate the next years from clubs owned by football players, like virton (Kante) or FC Andorra (Pique). Also love the content!!!
Somehow what this experiment ended up doing was just making English football (and possibly some other countries). Leyton Orient, Bolton, Hull, Preston, West Brom, Derby all win European titles, Bristol Rovers in the Champions League etc.
The problem here is that the salary cap is very likely to change long before the point where you got it modified in the game. Just having Messi sign here, without him even playing a game, has dramatically increased potential ticket sales both in value and numbers. If profitability becomes higher, team owners will agree to more room in salary caps. I suspect that by the time the next World Cup closes, caps will be higher and high value, home grown talent won't even count against the current designated player rule as they would now. Americans will want to see American players play in America. New rules will be made to make the league that much more exciting.
@windrose5988 it won't make it big because Soccer is effectively a 5th tier sport in NA. the MLS makes about 1.5 billion euros a year in revenue. The 4th largest league in the US (the NHL) is just under 5 billion. 3rd, the NBA is at 9.5 billion. So just to crack the big 4 we're talking about it needing to quadruple in revenue. Changing the system won't help because NA has shown that it loves that system. In fact, the EPL is the largest non-US league by revenue, at 6.4 billion, or 3 billion below the 3rd largest league in NA. Soccer just isn't as popular as it would need to be to be a top level in the world.
Ik this comment is late. But I’m glad you talked about the salary cap because that’s where the MLS would struggle but then you’ll get more teams doing what Inter Miami are currently doing and just build a super team that still is wage wise under the salary cap.
We need the database!! Also just for your info, it’s a yearssss-long bug in the base game that prevents US teams from getting CONCACAF CL wins in their trophy list.
Hello Tom, i maybe have a good idea for a video. I really enjoy the video's where you give small leagues tv deal. So my idea is to do the opposide and give huge leagues huge debts
This was a great vid, it’s a shame that the salary cap wasn’t realistic, IRL it’s tied to league revenue. If the league were getting TV deals from European nights, it would likely make more money, and subsequently have a higher salary cap
Can you make a video with every Sidemen in the same sim managing their favourite English club. Harry: Chelsea KSI: Arsenal Simon: Leeds Tobi: Man U Vik: Sheffield United Josh: Millwall Ethan: West Ham
It looks like the MLS was only getting 1 season of credit for coefficient? Unless they managed to not win even a qualifier for 3 years in a row, when you showed coefficient they only got credit for the most recent season
11:03 The Name of the Stadium ;( . Valon Berahmi has nothing to do with the city of Berne just because he is swiss. FM, whyyy xD. It's the Wankdorf Stadium and always will be
"Kickers" is actually a pretty common team name in Germany's lower divisions. Then there's also Würzburger Kickers, like you mentioned, and notably Kickers Offenbach, a former Bundesliga side currently kicking about in one of the 4th tier leagues of German football (just like Würzburg)
If MLS was in the European competitions, those DP restraints would be lifted immediately. Because they'd need to double their investment to compete, at a minimum.
Saints… not a sniff of anything European flavoured until… BAM! 2118 rolls around and they power straight to a Champions League trophy. I’ll be 137 years old. Worth the wait.
I think FM needs to make MLS more realistic. There are teams spending 30m plus on salaries already. MLS saves are harder than real life, I think the youth intake for the US is outside the top 50 for some reason. The league reputation is way off too.
I will say, as an American, no one cares about the Supporters’ Shield….except me. I think it’s a fantastic way of having a real “league” trophy, while also getting the playoffs. I hate it isn’t treated with more significance. It does qualify you for the NACL though.
Supporters Shield really lost its importance (obviously my opinion). 29 teams and only 34 games, you play each team in your conference twice, which means there's no way you can play every team in the league like a regular round robin tournament that majority of the leagues have. You're a Champion but haven't played every team in the league? Doubtful. I could think of one way of fixing that without increasing the amount of games in the regular season (cause let's say you play twice in your conference and 1 for each team out your conference, you're still talking over 40 games and then playoffs, on top of now the Leagues Cup, that's way too many games).
I knew that salary cap was going to be a problem. If you have great players you can’t keep them because if you can’t pay the salary they demand. I know it’s hard by please do a redo and eliminate the salary cap that will make a big difference
Curious how this would work out with an American pyramid system. Im currently simming one with added reputation to try to make it at the same level as top european leagues. The one thing missing is a champions league type competition as I couldn't figure out how to add the US leagues into the qualifications for the champions league.
Hi Tom, can you make a video on how to move competitions to other continent, I'm trying to move indian league to Europe but I don't know how to do that, if you do it'll be helpful
The level of interest determines whether the salary cap 🧢 gets raised in the USA 🇺🇸, and it’s a crowded market. Europe doesn’t understand this because assn football is the main thing, 🇺🇸 is huge and there are many sports 🏀 🏈 ⚽️ Americans cheer for.
As a Leyton Orient fan, the only word I can think of is 'wow' 🤯
Pretty shocking 3:57
Also this 4:19
vigouroux is a claret du du du
I think they won the efl cup to get in to eucl
As another Orient fan, I can categorically say that Richie Wellens has pulled off a madness in that save, but we can only hope irl lmfao
I don't get how Leyton Orient & Bolton got into Europe by 2040, and it's darn impressive how Hull City, Preston, West Brom & Derby won titles too, but not Bristol City.....
More to the point, how did they do better than Millwall who are currently better than all the above mentioned teams (some who have even had parachute payments to help them!) ;)
Well Bolton was in the europa league last in 2008. So not to unbelievable. Mind you Leyton orient is surprising but certainly possible.
But as a Bolton fan myself I certainly approve 😂
hi briswall
The teams are totally random, Würzburger Kickers in a European final by 2045...
When you put the leagues on view only they are way more random
Im more suprised of Fuentearbelrada from spain playing vs leyton orient. They are on the 4th division rn i think
Third but epic even though
Plymouth in the 2118/19 Conference league final is a beautiful sight
As a Wycombe Wanderers fan, I will take a Europa league for moving the MLS to Europe
Same, I woo'd rather loud when it was mentioned 😂
Am I the only one who was totally suprised by HANSA ROSTOCK in a european cab semi-final? :o
edit: and they even one the cup once + Sandhausen and 1860 München as well. Crazy
Würzburg and Dynamo Dresden too, must be a crazy Bundesliga
As well as 1. FC Kaiserslautern and VfL Bochum and Eintracht Braunschweig!
One of the Finnish teams seen here is just crazy: Gnistan from Oulunkylä, Helsinki, who in real life play in Ykkönen, the second tier of Finnish football.
As an American, the playoffs are just how sports work in the US, funny to hear how strange it is
i get why its odd to other ppl though. the reg. season is their playoffs pretty much, we kinda diminish the importance of the reg season by adding playoffs to all of our sports
Playoffs and no pro/rel, that is the real punchline
@@alexandrescu2000 the billionaires who own mls teams arent gonna risk relegation wiping their portfolio. thats why euro oligarchs wanted the super league so bad
@@Fizzydog77relegation is necessary
MLS should have a conference with promotion/relégation system, I think it would be great.
You would have an eastern and western conférence with franchise who cannot be relegated, and à third conférence with teams promoted from whatever second level there is in America.
I think that the biggest issue is fixture congestion. I don't know if the database removed the leagues cup, and it sounded like they might be playing in the CONCACAF CL too? Even playing in the default database my team ended up playing 2 games/week for at least 2 months straight between continental and league fixtures. The fatigue and rotation that result would be brutal for any team, let alone one that's spending like half of what other teams are and being limited to 30 players.
The top MLS teams are playing up to about 60 games/year in the current FM database and operating on a significantly lower budget with more restrictions than their competitors, which is likely one of the issues holding them back in this save. I think that with qualifying from the low coefficient, a team might be playing closer to 70 games/season. That's not even getting into the travel, which could see a transatlantic flight, a match, and then another transatlantic flight with matches being 2 days apart.
Great video. Could you see how they would do without a salary cap?
I used to live in Würzburg and went to a few Würzburger Kickers games when I was there.
irl they had 2 successive relegations from the 2. Bundesliga to the Regionalliga Bayern in the past few years and couldn’t make it back up to the 3. Liga this year. They have some great kits tho and to see them in a Europa League final on here is astonishing, given that their stadium has only one seating stand, and the rest is temporary scaffolding standing areas
Can you move not only mls, but Brazilian, Argentine and MX teams aswell? Pretty please?
As an RSL fan I loved seeing them do well! We just signed a great striker and promising midfielder to add to our squad next month too!
You guys are looking like the dark horse for the MLS playoffs
Lafc fan here. :( give back chicho
Proud Orlando City fan and I’m happy you recognized them 🦁 🟨🟪
imagining orlando or real salt lake being our sole representative in the uefa champions league is beyond hilarious to me, i think that FM can't ever quite simulate MLS realistically because on paper, the top clubs and the bottom clubs are a lot closer to each other in quality than, say, psg to the bottom of ligue 1, but FM can't perfectly factor in coaching ability, the challenges of geography and scheduling, and then organizational competence that isn't universal. this was a fun watch regardless i loved this
It's crazy how good some teams got. 1860 Munich (3rd division), Fürth (2nd Division) and even the Würzburger Kickers (Regionalliga Bayern). Just crazy how fast the big-medium sized clubs got replaced
As someone supporting my local club that is leading the cutrent supporter shield race it means a lot to us. Many supporters view the shield as the measure if the best side. It is true the MLS Cup is the champion and more recognized, but it does matter.
It is a fun experiment given how we have structures for competitive balance. Many clubs could spend 2, 3, 4X given the financial means behind them. We as a culture prefer parity over utter dominance like we see in thr Bundles Liga for example.
More realistically I hope MLS sides might get into Copa Libertadores in the 2030s.
We do care about the supporters shield. It’s not a super big deal, but it gets you qualified for the Concacaf champions league.
Congrats on getting Bochum correct 👏
Could you move the Scottish League to South America for the Libertadores? Or Asia for the Asian Champions League?
tbf it was okay but not correct :D
I thought the 'o' had to be longer. My grandad used to holiday there and learnt his German from them.
Yes the o must be longer but 'ch' is not 'ck' in pronunciation
The "ch" in Bochum is pronounced like the "J" in Juan
Maybe a new idea for a serie is, where you simulate the next years from clubs owned by football players, like virton (Kante) or FC Andorra (Pique). Also love the content!!!
The growth of this channel is insane I only subbed like 3 months ago and it was at 20k
So many crazy teams in here, SV Sandhausen from Germany won the Europa League, this town has less inhabitants than stadium capacity
Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!
11:22 look at 2107/08 final venue: the Pep Guardiola Arena in Vigo, wow
can u make a tutorial how to move non-europe club to europe?
As an Orlando City fan I'm very happy they won the first season!
CF Montreal supporter here! Nice to say that :)
Well done on 100k Tom - keep it up!
people do care about the supporter’s shield. it’s a viable path to the concacaf champions league
Somehow what this experiment ended up doing was just making English football (and possibly some other countries). Leyton Orient, Bolton, Hull, Preston, West Brom, Derby all win European titles, Bristol Rovers in the Champions League etc.
The playoffs aren't unnecessary, they just add flair and the chance for an underdog to win it all
The problem here is that the salary cap is very likely to change long before the point where you got it modified in the game. Just having Messi sign here, without him even playing a game, has dramatically increased potential ticket sales both in value and numbers. If profitability becomes higher, team owners will agree to more room in salary caps. I suspect that by the time the next World Cup closes, caps will be higher and high value, home grown talent won't even count against the current designated player rule as they would now. Americans will want to see American players play in America. New rules will be made to make the league that much more exciting.
@windrose5988 it won't make it big because Soccer is effectively a 5th tier sport in NA.
the MLS makes about 1.5 billion euros a year in revenue. The 4th largest league in the US (the NHL) is just under 5 billion. 3rd, the NBA is at 9.5 billion. So just to crack the big 4 we're talking about it needing to quadruple in revenue. Changing the system won't help because NA has shown that it loves that system. In fact, the EPL is the largest non-US league by revenue, at 6.4 billion, or 3 billion below the 3rd largest league in NA.
Soccer just isn't as popular as it would need to be to be a top level in the world.
can you put swansea, cardiff, newport and wrexham in the welsh league for a video
Ik this comment is late. But I’m glad you talked about the salary cap because that’s where the MLS would struggle but then you’ll get more teams doing what Inter Miami are currently doing and just build a super team that still is wage wise under the salary cap.
We need the database!!
Also just for your info, it’s a yearssss-long bug in the base game that prevents US teams from getting CONCACAF CL wins in their trophy list.
Hello Tom, i maybe have a good idea for a video. I really enjoy the video's where you give small leagues tv deal. So my idea is to do the opposide and give huge leagues huge debts
Facundo Torres is legit, think he has like a 5 mil release clause too, helped cement my Norwich team as a prem stable team
I'd end the season on 150, CL final and season recap then do a few seasons sim to see how Guernsey are doing on episode 150
This was a great vid, it’s a shame that the salary cap wasn’t realistic, IRL it’s tied to league revenue. If the league were getting TV deals from European nights, it would likely make more money, and subsequently have a higher salary cap
FYI Ion Badiola is a Basque name, you should pronounce it as John. In Basque Jon and Ion are both ways of writing that name
I live just 1 Hour away Fromm Würzburg the Team ins currently in the 4th Division in Germany and 2040 in the Game They Play an European final 🤯
Well it was a surprise to see that Charlotte FC won the eastern conference in the season where Orlando won hahaha
Love your content bro👍👍
Can you make a video with every Sidemen in the same sim managing their favourite English club.
Harry: Chelsea
KSI: Arsenal
Simon: Leeds
Tobi: Man U
Vik: Sheffield United
Josh: Millwall
Ethan: West Ham
how did you do this?? I been trying to get this right but no luck so eventually gave up. Please teach me master
I mean... Bolton, Hansa Rostock, Jahn Regensburg, Pescara and 1860 Munich all wining the Conference League is just something else...
It looks like the MLS was only getting 1 season of credit for coefficient? Unless they managed to not win even a qualifier for 3 years in a row, when you showed coefficient they only got credit for the most recent season
what is going on in germany? hansa rostock? who are between 2nd and 3rd division. würzburger kickers who are in 4th division?
11:03 The Name of the Stadium ;( . Valon Berahmi has nothing to do with the city of Berne just because he is swiss. FM, whyyy xD. It's the Wankdorf Stadium and always will be
this is awesome idea i would love to play it , and also an idea to put saudi arabia in europe , or brazil .. argentina :)
"Kickers" is actually a pretty common team name in Germany's lower divisions.
Then there's also Würzburger Kickers, like you mentioned, and notably Kickers Offenbach, a former Bundesliga side currently kicking about in one of the 4th tier leagues of German football (just like Würzburg)
Not gonna lie I can't remember having watched this video or leaving this comment
If MLS was in the European competitions, those DP restraints would be lifted immediately. Because they'd need to double their investment to compete, at a minimum.
It would be an interesting experiment to see Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and the North African Countries moved to Europe along with maybe Saudi Arabia
No words about my club Hertha BSC winning the CL multiple times? 😥
Average hertha behavior, sign every wonderkid every time
Saints… not a sniff of anything European flavoured until… BAM! 2118 rolls around and they power straight to a Champions League trophy. I’ll be 137 years old. Worth the wait.
How did you do this? I’d love to play this setup!
could u do australia or / and lebanon or / and china next?
Seeing the O's in a champions league final has just made my day
Unlike what Tom said, people do actually care about the supporters shield
hull city winning 3 europa leagues is something worth celebrating even if its in FM
Is it possible for all the leagues in the game to play in Europe?
Plymouth argyle in the conference league.
I think FM needs to make MLS more realistic. There are teams spending 30m plus on salaries already. MLS saves are harder than real life, I think the youth intake for the US is outside the top 50 for some reason. The league reputation is way off too.
This is for sure the weirdest alternate timeline yet
with how many players going to Saudi Arabia clubs would love to see how they get on in Europe
I will say, as an American, no one cares about the Supporters’ Shield….except me. I think it’s a fantastic way of having a real “league” trophy, while also getting the playoffs. I hate it isn’t treated with more significance.
It does qualify you for the NACL though.
Supporters Shield really lost its importance (obviously my opinion). 29 teams and only 34 games, you play each team in your conference twice, which means there's no way you can play every team in the league like a regular round robin tournament that majority of the leagues have. You're a Champion but haven't played every team in the league? Doubtful. I could think of one way of fixing that without increasing the amount of games in the regular season (cause let's say you play twice in your conference and 1 for each team out your conference, you're still talking over 40 games and then playoffs, on top of now the Leagues Cup, that's way too many games).
You can tell it’s unrealistic because Austin actually win a knockout game
Im just surprised they didn't lose to a semi-pro haitian club.
Since I support the club at the top of the Supporters Shield table, safe to say it is the biggest trophy in the world 😂😂
If there was no salary cap, the rest would’ve been vastly different
As a finn its cute that you included teemu pukki with messi and busquets 😂
Idea: Make a player with 200 potential but 20 injury proneness
hi tom love the vid as usual, ive been trying your logo video from a while ago and i cant seem to get my logos to work any reason why?
I knew that salary cap was going to be a problem. If you have great players you can’t keep them because if you can’t pay the salary they demand. I know it’s hard by please do a redo and eliminate the salary cap that will make a big difference
Bolton fan here - yessssss 😂😂😂
Curious how this would work out with an American pyramid system. Im currently simming one with added reputation to try to make it at the same level as top european leagues. The one thing missing is a champions league type competition as I couldn't figure out how to add the US leagues into the qualifications for the champions league.
Question is, how would England get on if they drafted young players from the league below
As a New York Red Bull supporter I’m just happy we could participate
The MLS would be an utter powerhouse IF we ever get rid of our salary cap.
Wouldn't know if Jim Ratcliffe is the right man for United, but he sure hasn't been for the Ineos cycling team.
Great video as always. Is there a chance you could link the database that you used for this video?
Do this but either every league into the uefa
Hi Tom, can you make a video on how to move competitions to other continent, I'm trying to move indian league to Europe but I don't know how to do that, if you do it'll be helpful
My idea , thank you! 😮, try with the canadian league
Love how you showed Pukki in the start
"I agree it is unnecessary" had me laughing
The majority of MLS fans do care about the supporters shield. Some of the bigger MLS fans even prefer the shield to the MLS Cup.
Turkish teams with TV deal please! Love your content btw!
I have an idea What if only the top 5 leagues were the only on Europe
I knew the video wasn’t accurate as soon as orlando won the league
The real story here is that Leyton Orient got into European football! Come on the O's!
i think the reason that LAFC won the concancaf champions league is because they won the US open cup
The level of interest determines whether the salary cap 🧢 gets raised in the USA 🇺🇸, and it’s a crowded market. Europe doesn’t understand this because assn football is the main thing, 🇺🇸 is huge and there are many sports 🏀 🏈 ⚽️ Americans cheer for.
Yes they don't even understand the Draft of any American League Like my Chicago Bears TANKING FOR FIRST
Do the world super league again please..
Sandhausen, Würzburg and Regensburg in European Competition Finals.. wtf FM 😂😂
How to get this Database😢
I think the issue HAS to be the wage limit
Orlando City, we are massive 😅
As a gashead living in the US, if MLS moving to Europe means Rovers play in Europe, I'm all for it
Hello fellow rovers fans
Love how he disses MLS playoffs because its overly complicated then goes onto to try to explain Champions League/Euro League...
did you remove the salary cap by chance?