@@catcherinthepie3846 lmao srsly. The first time I played this I realized the troopers were army cause one of them was specialist. Then that hexagon symbol I was like oh look Spacd Fort hood!
I think that the Pillar of Autumn simply evacuated a large portion of UNSC Army Troopers and also stockpiled the equipment/supplies from the colony before leaving, hence the similar uniforms, etc. At least that's my head canon.
The australians speak spanish? The words used by marines of CE like Bien,hombre Nice one amigo Muchacho Are them even i dare to say, mexican typical phrases, i'm mexican, i can tell you that, muchacho is exclusive from us If i'm wrong i have wish to know it
@@ivanmuted9985 what exactly are you talking about? they didnt say that the Australian marines speak Spanish, the game does have Australian marines as well as Hispanic Marines. the Australians dont say, bien, or hombre, or amigo. You can look up Chips Dubbo (the australian marine) voice lines if you are confused. the australian does actually also use words the Hispanic ones dont, like crikey, and mate.
What this really showed in terms of Bungie's commitment to showing so much military stuff in Reach was really what the devs talked about when they said halo was really more a military shooter set in the future in space then really sci-fi. this really culminated in Reach, and its something I think 343 got rid of sadly for a more arcady style and feel
Ryan Hartigan survivor of the entire War and capable of being in multiple places, Chips Dubbo is believed to be in the community as a Precursor using multiple Avatars of Chips.
I hated the missions where I fought with the ODST. Whenever more than one of them died, I would always restart the checkpoint, or the entire mission to try and make them survive. I play a lot of MMO military games, so when someone I've been playing with for the last 6 hours dies, it feels really bad.
Yeah, I do the same thing. In almost any game where you can save troops I always try. Heck, on the silent cartographer mission where all the soldiers die I actually found a way to save a lot of them. Clear out everything on the beach before heading inside, then get them on the warthogs and park them as far into the structure as possible (usually the farthest point is the door where on your way back out is the plasma sword elite). Doing this those soldiers actually survive :p
Same! often when i win a confrontation in a sloppy way, and most of my AI teammates die. Than i reload the save. It is not only nice but also practical as they can extend longevity of weapons to infinity. in RTS games I don’t usually reload unless i lost an irreplaceable group of units which i want to survive, but i try to increase the survival rate as well.
I think the rank discrepancies among the Marines and Air Force in Reach is due to Bungie simply not wanting to code the squad system to handle three different rank structures.
Considering you launched an experimental prototype space fighter from a secret ONI research base, I always figured the men with you on the Long Night of Solace mission were specifically employed by the Office of Naval Intelligence. With ONI being the enigmatic, shadowy organization it is, it would make sense that the troopers under their direct command would not have identifying marks or insignia on their uniforms.
The universal symbol for denoting cavalry on a strategic map is a rectangle with a slash through it running through opposite vertices. The rectangle part isn't really important because all units are rectangles with different symbols inside. So not only is the symbol reminiscent of 1st cav, the slash very literally means cavalry.
@@rennotstimpy449 Or it could have changed from the nato system of using rectangles to using hexagons. niehorster.org/000_admin/009_symbols.html compared to Pre Nato Germany had this: niehorster.org/011_germany/symbols/_symbols_43.html
I'm glad you made this video. Growing up as a child my father always told me it's an insult to refer to a Marine as a "Soldier", you where only ever to refer to them as Warriors, Marines, Devil Dogs, or Leathernecks. Nothing else. Even though this is small, as you said, ots about tradition, its about representation, and for the Marines, tradition is everything. The Marines have always been a highlight of Halo, and have always been represented to still carry the traditions today's Marine Corps still holds.
@@Oppen1945 Heck, we see more variations among the Spartans with Kelly having an English accent, Jorge being a Reach-native British-Hungarian. Jun being Asian/slavic, Kat being Slavic and Grant being Scottish. I think the only accents we heard from marines in the past Halo games were varying American accents, Australian accents and a couple Mexican/Spanish accents. Halo Wars 2 introduced Hellbringers with Scottish accents and Snipers with British accents. Now we have Brohammmer too. Hope 343 keeps up this variation for marines in Halo Infinite, maybe add a couple Asian accents. Not trying to force diversity here, Halo has already been pretty diverse.
A marine is just a naval soldier lmao. Thats the meaning. A maritime soldier/mercenary. Ive been called a marine before and I was in the Army. Im like what? But im not gonna hassle a civilian for doing that. I digress though, every branch likes to refer to be called their earned title. 11B and 0311 is the only true MOs's though and dont @me either.
I very much appreciate it! When it comes to Halo topics, I want to find something to talk about with depth, therefore, I don't post videos often. I don't want to go the easy route and just post a video with me rambling with gameplay of a Halo multiplayer match. I'll be keeping a closer look at some topics that would be interesting to make a video of.
I find it funny that this video pops up in my recommended list right before I go to MEPS for the Marines. Great vid btw these details were something I had to tell everyone because everyone always assumed military uniform in Halo=Marine
I hope MEPS goes smoothly for you. Been there, and I remember wanting to get what I needed done at MEPS before I entered. Enjoy the military life. The experience will stick with you for the rest of your life. Let us know how things go right before or after basic training. Take care, and thank you for your service.
Beelzebubs Buns Thanks! I honestly can’t wait to go. I’m already a cadet at a military academy so I’ve got a decent idea of what the USMC will throw at me. It’ll be a good 6-8 months before I go to boot camp but I’ll be sure to do that :)
To clear things up: It is true that Greek Spartans will always be a part of history, although much of the embellished stories surrounding the Spartans that were influenced by leaders, and the belief in Greek Gods, all consists of Greek mythology. We have records of the Spartan's beliefs, culture, and practices, but some information such as tossing babies off of cliffs that didn't meet physical standards have been debated without conclusive evidence. That is just one example. One could relate the Spartan program in the Halo universe to reflect Greek Spartan mythology with the harsh and death-risking-initiation phase. But with records stretching from B.C.E. it is wise to not take simple information at face value and understand mythology as consisting of stories about tradition, and culture, not neccessarily assuming mythology to simply mean fake. While the UNSC is a fictional United Nations Space Command military service, it is very clear throughout Bungie's Halo games, American military was a large inspiration when writing and creating the UNSC. You can spot these inspirations clearly by looking at the rank names, the cliche dialogue at times, the remembrance of artifacts (dog tags), inspired ceremonial formations, and the backed-against-the-wall underdog story. We will be looking at this American made video game by considering the heavily-inspired source, American military. In Halo Reach, you hear "Troopers" instead of "Soldiers." This got me interested to find out why that is as the Troopers are in the UNSC Army, therefore, Troopers are Soldiers, but are referred to as Troopers seemingly as a distinction. So, looking up the term "Trooper," the definition includes "a private soldier in a cavalry." This got me interested to find out if there is an emblem that distinguishes the cavalry division, and I believe I found it in Halo Reach. I believe it is the solid diagonal black line on the Trooper's shoulder pads. In the real world military, the uniform will state in lettering the military branch, but in Halo Reach, there isn't anything like that, therefore, it seems as though Bungie put that diagonal black line to denote a cavalry division (that's my theory). While there are many different units within the UNSC Army, I'm saying Bungie looks to have wanted to include service personnel from all UNSC military branches, and the easiest way to distinguish people of different branches in a video game would be to change the look of the uniform and to utilize certain emblems such as what the Troopers have versus what the Marines have. As for the red and white chevron on the helmet, I am stating that the chevrons are "not conclusive enough" to determine if it truly denotes a cavalry division as they are a reused asset in Halo CEA, although red and white colors are used to denote cavalry in US Army, therefore, if evidence states otherwise for Halo specifically those red and white chevrons are cavalry and Saber Interactive did get that wrong in Halo CEA, please share the link of the source in the comment section. Whereas the solid diagonal black line on the Trooper is not used elsewhere on the Halo CEA Marines, therefore, the "theory" that the diagonal solid black line denoting a "cavalry" division in the UNSC Army is better supported. There have been a small group of people that have commented saying that I am pronouncing it as "Calvary" instead of "Cavalry." If you listen carefully, I am pronouncing it as cavalry without the harsh "ca" sound as I talk in paragraphs, therefore, its sounds as if I am saying calvary. I know the difference between the two words, but it is common for people to want to hear something, even if it's not being said. I put this comment out there, because someone tried to debate but misinterpreted the entire video. I'm sure many of you understand what this video is about, but there are a small few that didn't.
I guess that Liam guy that was saying some stupid shit was one of the ones who misinterpreted your video? Lol I think he was just a troll with no real argument
@@blackmamba7732 Easy now, keep it clean. But he certainly was the one who misinterpreted the entire video and it was right from the very beginning haha. Attention to detail is vital for debate.
@@KYOTUA-cam aight I figured it was him. But he may have been a troll since you've gained a lot of views from this video in a short time and prob more subs. I know you've had pretty genuine subscribers on your channel for a while. But wit more exposure, the cream of the crop gets a bit smaller u know.
Not necessarily. UNSC Navy/Marines take on space expeditions and will be involved for planetary force if need be. But UNSC Army/Air Force are major forces for planetary defense and in Halo there multiple planets humans are living on, therefore, there is a need for major fighting forces for a homeworld, forces that are not likely to go on space expeditions. Air Force would be in space though still be close to the planet they are defending. At least, that's my take on it.
In real life, there's a differentiation between the US Navy and Air Force (and the US Army, which is where our Air Force comes from). The Navy owns aircraft the fly off planes; the Air Force owns aircraft that launch from the ground (to be really simplistic). I would assume planet-based, non-Slipspace capable ships, like the Short Sword, are owned by the Air Force instead of the Navy.
Any space going force would work very similarly to a maritime going force. I can almost guarantee you the United States Space Force will operate more similarly to the US Navy than it will the US Air Force which is what it is a sub division of.
As Beelze said I’m pretty sure the Air Force is used for Aerospace Defense of planets, such as the pilots of the Saber Program and I think (Not enterily sure tho) the crews of the Orbital Defense Platforms
In conclusion, I don’t think Bungie really paid much attention to the ranks and different divisions in the UNSC. I always thought the term ‘soldier’ was universal the same with ‘marine’. I called every friendly npc marines except if they’re civilians or part of a ships crew as staff. They probably need to make it more clear in future games to be able to distinguish a marine and a soldier
Well, there really isn’t much difference, the marine’s are just the Navy’s Army. Instead of being assigned to a base they’re assigned to a ship. Navy are all the crewmen, ship commanders and captains, etc. Spartans seem to be their own branch that freely operates between the others.
Slender Man 186 so theoretically when you build a base in halo wars they’re soldiers and not marines? Also what’s the difference between navy in space and the airforce if technically they’re both flying?
TugaFR nope, that’s a temporary prefabricated base that the Spirit of Fire carries, when the battle is won the spirit of fire will take those bases with her, and the Army will move in and set up more permanent bases. The Air Force is confusing IRL too, there are Army, Navy, and Air Force pilots. I assume the Air Force kinda became the Navy with better space travel and bigger planes capable of going higher, and space combat became more like naval combat, and a water based navy just became obsolete. So once again, the difference would be where they’re stationed, on a permanent base on a planet, or on a carrier ship out in space.
@@Slender_Man_186 there's a huge difference between army infantry and Marines. The UNSC Marine Corps is modeled after the US Marine Corps. The ranks, jargon, dress uniforms and medals/ribbons are the same. Master Chief Petty Officer is a Naval rank so SPARTAN 117 is Naval personnel. The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy, so some things like ribbons and medals are shared. You can see CPT Miranda Keys wearing a yellow blue and red ribbon during the awards ceremony in the begining of H2. That's a CAR, a combat action ribbon meaning she's actually done some actual gunslinging. Which is kind of cool. Lord Hood also wears one. Don't call a Marine a soldier to their face, we don't appreciate it.
nuclearjanitors yeah, see my dad was a US army ranger, 1st infantry, I simply know more about the army than the other branches. I know marines share a lot with the navy, and one basically can’t work without the other. I know that Master Chief Petty Officer is a Navy rank too, but at the same time Noble Team seems to suggests that Spartans aren’t exclusive to the Navy, they’re Army, and in Halo 4 and 5 Spartans are their own branch entirely.
I mean pretty sure definitionally, a soldier is a generalist term for any paid personnel that is part of any ground-, air-, or sea-based military. The whole thing about Soldier being specifically an ARMY only thing is a small misconception. It's MAINLY used with land forces, but CAN, technically, on a definitional level, be used to refer to any paid military personnel. Here, have some fun facts to mull over: The origins of the word Soldier literally harkons back to the following two words: First there is the Middle English and Old French word soudeour, which means Mercenary, further deriving from the word soudee, which refers to a shilling's size in payment. Then there is the Medival Latin word soldarius which literally means "one being paid" further deriving from the name for the Byzantine empire's coinage; Solidus.
I love this video! One thing to keep in mind is that Halo CE Anniversary was done entirely by 343 and Saber, not Bungie like Halo Reach. The discrepancies you mentioned right at the start with the Calvary emblem and later on with the open helmets are likely because 343 and Saber are incompetent rather than actual creative decisions. As far as I’m concerned Halo Reach is the only relevant game for this comparison, where Bungie has the technology and ambition to customize the various models to such extent. This video changed how I look at Halo Reach, and it gave me one more thing to love about my favorite game. Thanks a bunch!
I liked the video, great job. I think the idea may be that the UNSC standardized many ranks across all of the various branches as their membership consists of people from all over Earth and the colonies. Kinda like how in New Mombasa, an African city, signs are in English. It seems that culture as well as language has kind of melded together in a lot of ways so maybe they decided to change that too? I dunno, I wish the writers had an opportunity to better establish how much humanity has changed in 500 years. Regardless, good video and I'll be on the lookout for more!
you know the one thing i always wish existed ? a Halo game with two campaigns where in one you play as a marine alongside with a spartan and the second as a trooper, giving emphasis in "you're a normal human, therefore, no super powers", it would be a cool touch for you to go along with your squad and every time a companion die, he gets replaced in the next mission, something much like the games Spec Ops Ranger Elite in the PS1 and Conflict Desert Storm on the PS2 and PC. Not make the game a complete simulator, give the player holographic gun sights, and make some weapons like that .50 sniper rifle or the rocket launcher impossible to fire on the move, in fact, unless you're doing a combat pace, you're standing crouching or laying prone, you cant be that accurate with your guns, a simulatir without the 100% simulation aspect.
Being raised by a father in the US Army, having a sister in the US Air Force and screaming at military science fiction for the last 8 years has caused me to react the exact same way every time I hear it, it's worse when you get to halo novels because writers use it for the generic term for all soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen and it burns like Tobasco sauce
Being a marine irl, I’ve noticed this. I think the CE quote made by CAPT Keyes is a Oxymoron and is meant to be a joke. (It’s funny how I’ve never seen this)
Love the video, on a side note, I'm a corpsman and I have to say having the medics being so clearly marked is a frightening idea. I mean medics and corpsman are often targets, i wouldn't want to stand out more than my medbag already makes me. Just a thought.
I'm glad other people can tell the difference. I don't blame people for getting it wrong though. The voiced dialogue is always consistent with who's who but some of the in-game prompt calls everyone Marines.
Ever since I started playing Halo again, this shit drove me up the wall. "Hey marine soldier army fighting guy man dude, I need ya to kill some covenant" - that shit doesn't fly. As a marine, every time somebody uses "marine" and "soldier" interchangeably it drives me nuts. We don't wear the same uniform, we have very different purposes, etc. With that said, I have an explanation. In halo we have the UNSC, keyword there is UN - as in United Nations. The different governments of Earth combined together to form the UNSC, so different militaries did too. The Chinese, Russian, German, English, Iraqi, Sudanese, Japanese, Australian, Israeli, French, and most notably - the United States, who probably comprised the bulk of personnel, gear, and funding. Different traditions from these countries merged together, so certain terms and traditions might have shifted just a bit. Another example is the word "Sarge" which is short for sergeant. In the United States Marine Corps, using the word "sarge" to refer to a sergeant is the equivalent of signing your own death warrant. It is extremely frowned upon and will get you yelled at. In addition to that, we address every enlisted who's E-4 (corporal) and up by their rank. If a sergeant asks you a question and yes answer yes, then you would say "yes sergeant", but if a staff-sergeant (E-6) asked you, then you would say "yes staff-sergeant". The problem with this is that in halo, on numerous occasions, SNCOs and Senior Enlisted are simply referred to as "sergeant" despite obviously outranking a sergeant by a few pay grades. For example, our favorite mustached, cigar smoking marine who knows what the ladies like: Avery Junior Johnson. Everyone I know refers to him as "sergeant Johnson" but he's a Sergeant Major. Sergeants are E-5, Sergeant Majors are at E-9. Big difference in responsibility and rank. So why isn't SgtMaj Johnson screaming at the Marines that just call him sergeant? Well again, the merging of militaries together to form the UNSC. The practice of calling SNCO+ enlisted a "sergeant" despite them ranking higher is common in the army. One of my friends asked why I addressed my SNCOs with their rank title and I explained it to him, and he told me that in the army, any enlisted that ranks as sergeant or higher is just called "sergeant" when addressed. So with multiple militaries coming together and people moving around, tradtions would have shifted and that's why we see certain inconsistencies with word usage, like soldier/marine or calling marines "sarge" or "sergeant" despite them ranking much higher than that.
The way I've always seen it, the UNSC, despite being considered the Navy, tries to blend each military branch together into a melting pot of military. The mediums in which they serve are blurred. No longer are they just simply boots on the ground, or serving on the seas, or just flying aircrafts (yes, I understand these are generalizations of the military branches). Now it's just one general "army" with individual divisions set for different mission types, while also having some crossover. Maybe a boots on the ground Sergeant can also fly a pelican if that is what's required, and maybe it's because of that crossover that allowed him a rank as high as it may be. Just my idea, but it may be able to clear up some of the weird discrepancies with how the UNSC works when compared to the USA military we have today.
He does mention it at 9:16. But I think he stayed away from going into depth about it because the video is more about the difference between Trooper and Marine.
Liam Thompson Yeah, now that I’ve given it a better look I can see it’s pretty much printed on there. I guess I’m not as observational as I thought I was. As for the strip being inverted, it could be possible that it was just a mistake from the developers who accidentally put the symbol in reverse as a texturing glitch or something.
@@MisterJohnDoe Liam misinterpreted the video completely. I said the chevron on the helmet is not conclusive to denote cavalry. A chevron is not just "typical for the rank private", rather chevrons are used for all enlisted individuals. I never said what the chevrons on the helmet stand for, because I have yet to see anything explaining it. In Halo Reach, you hear "Troopers" not "Soldiers." So looking up the term Troopers, the definition includes "cavalry." In the real world military, the uniform will state in lettering the military branch, but in Halo Reach, there isn't anything like that, therefore, it seems as though Bungie put that diagonal black line to denote a cavalry division (that's my theory). While there are many different units within the UNSC Army, I'm saying Bungie looks to have wanted to include service personnel from all UNSC military branches, and the easiest way to distinguish people of different branches in a video game would be to change the look of the uniform and to utilize certain emblems such as what the Troopers have versus what the Marines have. Johnny Topside, I sent this comment to you because Liam has been commenting trying to explain a convoluted and wrong interpretation of the video. I just felt it right to clear that up. Have a great day
i've heard people say that ODSTs accept applications from all over the UNSC despite technically being a marine subdivision, which makes enough sense as you'd have to be the rare madman that wants to drop in a tin coffin from orbit behind enemy lines to sign up for the ODSTs
Can we keep in mind that this is the UNSC so marines come from all over the colonies and countries under the UNSC so they dont use the exact same terms as the US marines might maybe in the games frequently but many other times in comics books and shows it implies and proves many marines come from other special forces from other countries such as Orlov from mona lisa is ex sptesnaz and the infamous Chipps Dubbo is Australian and would probably use military terms from respective countries and groups not just USMC terms and phrases
No. Halo is one of the few Sci-fi's where humanity is directly united rather than nations that are tied together by a common political (like in Mass Effect). The UNSCDF are heavily influenced by the United States military. And there is no over space command and control through different branches of the government, the colonies are directly ruled by Earth.
The Pillar of Autumn had marines and army soldiers. I always thought it was just the marines, but I looked it up on halopedia (not fandom). But everything in this video is actually what I’ve always believed. I always knew that the soldiers on the last mission were marines
6:16 Well, normally ODSTs use Marine ranks, but we saw in Reach that it was possible for Spartan fireteams or squads to be assigned to the Army, most notably in the case of Noble Team. Maybe this is the same for ODSTs on rare occasions? Sort of like how sometimes ODST fireteams or squads are assigned to ONI and its operations specifically.
Odst are drawn from multiple branches. Delta force does a similar thing by recruiting from all over. Whether or not that transfers over in unit rank structure is beyond me. As for branches involved and manpower, I think it just becomes all jumbled up in an invasion and leads to mixed units to maintain effectiveness and survivability due to high casualty rate in the war.
Very curious about the Halo Infinite Marines/Army troopers in terms of the Armour Design. In the first trailer the announcement we saw three Soldiers of the UNSC wearing Green armour designed after the Marine/Army soldiers in Halo Reach what you see in this video. But in the new trailer which came out last E3 the Pilot has a classic Halo 2 remake Marine Helmet laying on the floor when we look through John eyes you can see it to the right. It appears that 343 may be using the two designs maybe even putting the Army in the Halo Reach style outfits and the Marines in the classic Halo 2 remake look. Funny enough in Halo CE remaster the pilot of the escape pod was wearing the Halo 3 marine armour while every other Marine in Halo CE were wearing the Halo Reach armour. So idk what’s going lol
Good picking out the details there. What I believe could be going on is that the UNSC could have very similar battle dress uniforms for all branches. But it is unclear if that cavalry emblem is on those individuals in the Halo Infinite announcement trailer. As for the helmet, I would believe something like a helmet for standard issue would be the same model for all ground combat forces. It would seem unlikely one branch would get a better helmet for ground combat as standard issue. ODSTs are a different story as they wouldn't get standard issue armor. Perhaps if the individuals in the announcement trailer are UNSC Army then that may mean UNSC moved them to a Halo ring for "ringworld defense." But if they are Marines, it would make sense as the Marines carry out fighting force needs for space expeditions.
@@ThreeProphets Kind of like how I already stated that there are differences in the uniform? I've been seeing all of the comments you've been posting. You seem to have misunderstood much of the video.
Interesting theory, it could be chalked up to lazy writing. I do remember reading the guide that came with HALO Reach saying that Nobel Team was an Army unit under the operational control of the UNSC Navy to be able to function more independently kind of like how JSOC operates independently outside US Forces. If the ODST Battalions operate similarly they might be a mix of operators from all branches under the control of the UNSC MC.
Also one thing in Halo 3 ODST is that in the level uplift reserve Dutch is referred to by the Colonel as trooper although this is most likely due to the fact that he's an orbital drop shock trooper which now that I think about it is also a form of calvary
Well. 343 was trying to make a remaster by using halo reach assets. In the initial remaster promotional videos, the "remastered" model for the MA5B ICWS (HCE's 60 round bullet hose) was the same model as the MA37 army rifle in Reach. Obviously in the finished remaster of CE, they use the MA5C assets (from halo 3) instead. So what I can gather is 343 didnt really care about asset continuity, at least, that closely. Something I didnt realize though until I watched your video is that the Army troopers in reach are using Gungnir shoulder plates. Might use those in MCC since I wear the Police helmet (like I did back when I played the original reach) and I want trooper armor.
Inside the game files, the humans of the UNSC have a TON of armor customization options. They have the potential to be used by players (if optimized properly) and can each be very unique. There's even a variant with a black thief mask. Perfect for hot pursuit.
Interesting fact. The UNSC troopers wore their patches like that of the US Army. Where they always had the unit patch they served on the left shoulder and the deployment patch on the right. Why you would see the patch on the left shoulder and both shoulders, but you would never see the patch on just the right shoulder. So they would have a unit patch and a deployment patch
In Halo Infinite and going forward I hope that 343 includes marines, army, airforce/navy and clearly defines which is which. For instance the marines are green colour scheme like H3, the army is khaki like reach, and the navy/airforce has gray colours.
FINALLY! A video that breaks the down difference. 👌 Edit: I think they streamline the ranking system & some traditions. We know you have to address any rank above you as sir regardless of gender, commission or otherwise.
Thank you so much for making this, it drives me nuts how often they get referred to as marines when everything from weapons, armour and vehicles are different to the trilogy. Still can't forgive 343i for using reach troopers in place of marines for CE Anniversary
@@joshuapurdy7065 ah makes sense. I never liked how those little things concerning the random troopers with you were never explained. In the games they just disappear with no reason given or just stop following you during a mission.
Actually, Halo Reach Concluded with the Pillar of Autumn leaving reach for the Halo in the first game, so having the same cavalry insignia, especially in a massive fleet like the UNSC, seems like good attention to detail :)
About time someone debunked this. Yes, as a kid, I called the troopers marines, but quickly found out that majority of the soldiers seen on Reach are a part of the UNSC Army. The only time marines are seen are on the final mission near the end. Now, I can understand why some people confuse the troopers with marines. Marines have always been an integral part of the Halo games, so it makes sense to automatically assume the troopers in Halo: Reach to be marines. And, even in CE:A, the marine models use the UNSC Army trooper model from Reach, so there's another reason people confuse soldiers and marines in Halo.
Capt Keyes in reach has the emblem of an army/marine/air force captain But that would make him a lieutenant he is supposed to have based on common Halo navy ranks a full bird there
Very cool video! I've also noticed that Captain Keyes has the incorrect rank in the games, as a Naval captain would be an O6 and use the silver eagle, not the silver bars like in other branches.
Correct he's an O-6 and deserves a full bird insignia. Equivalent to Army Colonel. Navy uses silver bars too they're referred to as Lieutenant, O-2 equivalent to Army Captain.
To be honest. Like you’ve mentioned in the end (how humanity is throwing everything they got at the covenant) it would have been nice to see both soldiers and marines fight along chief in Africa in 2 and 3.
This is why I like halo other than some other Syfy shooters because the stuff in halo actually resembles real military things but with a more futuristic approach
Was playing ODST recently and yeah Buck is referred to as “gunny” as in Gunnery Sgt. which is a Marine Corps rank which threw me off because I always thought ODSTs were Army or their own thing.
It's also possible to make the point that in halo CE it would make sense for there to be a mix of soldiers and marines on the pillar of autumn, the UNSC evacuated their forces from reach and it's possible that a couple of soldiers could have gotten onto the ship and were just mixed in with the marines since the UNSC was in such a bad situation
Not much to say. Just subbed. I honestly want to see more videos like this when waiting for INFINITE , not those so-called news being repeated by different channels again and again (well just my own thought, plz don't be mean). Great vid, keep it up. PS:can I make subtitle for this and repost it to other websites with your credits? Want more people seeing this.
TBH they arent the US military though and its nearly treble the amount of years in the future as the USA has existed nevermind the ranks which are constantly changing so i wouldnt get caught up on specalist too much as roles changed (just noticed you added that point to the end)
One thing I would’ve liked was for them to update the OG Halo CE MARINE uniforms to be Navy Combat uniforms, that way you have both Navy and Marines. That or sticking some Marine armor on top of those Navy jumpsuits. Like, you don’t get a sense of just how many people actually served on the Pillar of Autumn since, once you get to the ground, there’s only Marines.
Fun fact the term rank is really used in the UNSC it’s actually more commonly referred as rate-maiming your rate of pay depending on your job just thought i would make note of this
Liam Thompson Actually In the halo Encyclopedia the definitive guide to the Halo universe book, when on the topic of the Unsc the Navicom and Unicom which has control over all unsc ground forces rate or rating is referring to a combination of rate of pay and or job title. The rate is represented by a number of stripes or chevrons on the Uniform, while the the rating is represented by a patch or pin representing the individuals profession. This is used I universally in all UNSC Branches. So calling a marine an E1 is not correct as you would refer to them based on their chosen profession. For example a Technician of the rate of E1 would be referred to as Technician Recruit and that will go up to E6 respectively.
I know this is several months old but Combat Evolved Anniversary primarily used recycled assets from Halo Reach. This is why the Elites look weird, and also why the marines are wearing army equipment. Canonically, the marines in CE are wearing the green uniforms you see in 2 Anniversary or the uniforms you see in Halo 3, depending on how equipment was issued.
Even if the symbol was cavalry, though never stated outright, I suspect the Autumn's Crew at launch was whoever Keyes could get on the ship and all were welcome as they were getting the hell out of dodge and a ground pounder is a ground pounder.
All my veteran homies where you at? I know alot of you have been tripping about this like I have. So glad it's been clarified 😂
All these civies tryin to debate the culture and titles mentioned in this vid lol pathetic 🙄
Marine here, although I wouldn't say I'm a veteran yet.
@@catcherinthepie3846 lmao srsly. The first time I played this I realized the troopers were army cause one of them was specialist. Then that hexagon symbol I was like oh look Spacd Fort hood!
@@afroartist1086 Im still in. I should've just said service members. But we see you jarhead. Love from Army 🤙🏽
Oh man, I love Halo so much, but damn I would always get erked whenever I heard them making the mistakes between soldiers and marines
I think the marines at the end of reach wore space helmets because the air was messed up from previous glassing
They probably wore it from standard issue sense they were stationed on dry dock and so close to the UNSC Pillar of Autumn
If they were wearing them for that reason why wasn’t keys wearing anything
@@de_weird_dude6414 because he's captain keys lol he wore a dress uniform even after they crashed half the time
Sandy 12 Gotta look classy for those female elites
I think that the Pillar of Autumn simply evacuated a large portion of UNSC Army Troopers and also stockpiled the equipment/supplies from the colony before leaving, hence the similar uniforms, etc. At least that's my head canon.
I really hope 343 brings back the Hispanic/Australian Marines for Infinite
A Hispanic Marine from the Outskirts on Halo 2 beach has permanently instilled "muchachos" in my vocabulary ever since childhood
The australians speak spanish?
The words used by marines of CE like
Bien,hombre
Nice one amigo
Muchacho
Are them even i dare to say, mexican typical phrases, i'm mexican, i can tell you that, muchacho is exclusive from us
If i'm wrong i have wish to know it
@@ivanmuted9985 what exactly are you talking about? they didnt say that the Australian marines speak Spanish, the game does have Australian marines as well as Hispanic Marines. the Australians dont say, bien, or hombre, or amigo. You can look up Chips Dubbo (the australian marine) voice lines if you are confused. the australian does actually also use words the Hispanic ones dont, like crikey, and mate.
@@ivanmuted9985 I think you may have misread their comment
What this really showed in terms of Bungie's commitment to showing so much military stuff in Reach was really what the devs talked about when they said halo was really more a military shooter set in the future in space then really sci-fi. this really culminated in Reach, and its something I think 343 got rid of sadly for a more arcady style and feel
i like it, the humans were made to inherit forunner tech, it was bound to happen, and yea the style has changed but its still halo and i love it
There's one MAJOR difference between the marines and troopers.
Marines say funnier shit.
Do I owe you money
Ahhhh! Yikes!!!!
Chips Dubbo = best marine 😳
Ryan Hartigan survivor of the entire War and capable of being in multiple places, Chips Dubbo is believed to be in the community as a Precursor using multiple Avatars of Chips.
IRL too
“Which is, O so positive”
Nice pun
Gotta keep it light here and there ;)
Did anyone else see the legendary Chips Dubbo at 5:49??
I did! That man is everywhere
That guy need or deserve his own story
That’s awesome
Wish there was:
GS. M. Stacker
Cpl. Perez
STG. M. Banks
Or some others
@@sergeantmarcusstackerM1903 hello there sergeant
Martin Sand Howdy
I hated the missions where I fought with the ODST. Whenever more than one of them died, I would always restart the checkpoint, or the entire mission to try and make them survive.
I play a lot of MMO military games, so when someone I've been playing with for the last 6 hours dies, it feels really bad.
I would do this to, tbh I still do this
Yeah, I do the same thing. In almost any game where you can save troops I always try. Heck, on the silent cartographer mission where all the soldiers die I actually found a way to save a lot of them. Clear out everything on the beach before heading inside, then get them on the warthogs and park them as far into the structure as possible (usually the farthest point is the door where on your way back out is the plasma sword elite). Doing this those soldiers actually survive :p
@@Reguwudo Until they die later either by flood or covenant or the ring exploding.
Same! often when i win a confrontation in a sloppy way, and most of my AI teammates die. Than i reload the save. It is not only nice but also practical as they can extend longevity of weapons to infinity.
in RTS games I don’t usually reload unless i lost an irreplaceable group of units which i want to survive, but i try to increase the survival rate as well.
The Bullfrogs have terrible AI, sometimes they just jump off a ledge to their deaths, no matter what you do.
I think the rank discrepancies among the Marines and Air Force in Reach is due to Bungie simply not wanting to code the squad system to handle three different rank structures.
Finally, someone corrected this. If I had a penny for everytime someone called a UNSC trooper a Marine, I would be as rich as Bill Gates.
Considering you launched an experimental prototype space fighter from a secret ONI research base, I always figured the men with you on the Long Night of Solace mission were specifically employed by the Office of Naval Intelligence.
With ONI being the enigmatic, shadowy organization it is, it would make sense that the troopers under their direct command would not have identifying marks or insignia on their uniforms.
The universal symbol for denoting cavalry on a strategic map is a rectangle with a slash through it running through opposite vertices. The rectangle part isn't really important because all units are rectangles with different symbols inside. So not only is the symbol reminiscent of 1st cav, the slash very literally means cavalry.
That hexagon must mean something though, and I like his explanation of the hex.
@@rennotstimpy449 Or it could have changed from the nato system of using rectangles to using hexagons. niehorster.org/000_admin/009_symbols.html
compared to Pre Nato Germany had this: niehorster.org/011_germany/symbols/_symbols_43.html
@@TheLastSterling1304 those are pretty interesting. I've never seen those emblems
@@chocolatesquares8756 Those aren't emblems, those are map icons for units. The german one is for unit organization charts.
@@TheLastSterling1304 you learn something new every hour
I'm glad you made this video.
Growing up as a child my father always told me it's an insult to refer to a Marine as a "Soldier", you where only ever to refer to them as Warriors, Marines, Devil Dogs, or Leathernecks. Nothing else.
Even though this is small, as you said, ots about tradition, its about representation, and for the Marines, tradition is everything. The Marines have always been a highlight of Halo, and have always been represented to still carry the traditions today's Marine Corps still holds.
Phillip Knuck have you ever heard the marine dialogue in the halo games? It is very varied, it’s definitely not just people from the USA
@@Oppen1945 most of them have an Australian accent though.
@@Oppen1945 Heck, we see more variations among the Spartans with Kelly having an English accent, Jorge being a Reach-native British-Hungarian. Jun being Asian/slavic, Kat being Slavic and Grant being Scottish.
I think the only accents we heard from marines in the past Halo games were varying American accents, Australian accents and a couple Mexican/Spanish accents. Halo Wars 2 introduced Hellbringers with Scottish accents and Snipers with British accents. Now we have Brohammmer too.
Hope 343 keeps up this variation for marines in Halo Infinite, maybe add a couple Asian accents. Not trying to force diversity here, Halo has already been pretty diverse.
Its funny since I saw a ww2 recruiting poster for marines with the tagline "soldiers of the sea"
A marine is just a naval soldier lmao. Thats the meaning. A maritime soldier/mercenary.
Ive been called a marine before and I was in the Army. Im like what? But im not gonna hassle a civilian for doing that. I digress though, every branch likes to refer to be called their earned title. 11B and 0311 is the only true MOs's though and dont @me either.
I implore you to make more Halo videos. 7:05, please do keep over analyzing. It’s what makes your videos so intriguing.
I very much appreciate it! When it comes to Halo topics, I want to find something to talk about with depth, therefore, I don't post videos often. I don't want to go the easy route and just post a video with me rambling with gameplay of a Halo multiplayer match. I'll be keeping a closer look at some topics that would be interesting to make a video of.
@@KYOTUA-cam That is how one tells quality from quantity. Excellent work.
I find it funny that this video pops up in my recommended list right before I go to MEPS for the Marines. Great vid btw these details were something I had to tell everyone because everyone always assumed military uniform in Halo=Marine
I hope MEPS goes smoothly for you. Been there, and I remember wanting to get what I needed done at MEPS before I entered. Enjoy the military life. The experience will stick with you for the rest of your life. Let us know how things go right before or after basic training. Take care, and thank you for your service.
Beelzebubs Buns Thanks! I honestly can’t wait to go. I’m already a cadet at a military academy so I’ve got a decent idea of what the USMC will throw at me. It’ll be a good 6-8 months before I go to boot camp but I’ll be sure to do that :)
@@NCR_Trooper_ oh sure yeah cadet life will totally get you ready bud 👌🏻 but seriously, good luck. It'll be fun
@@KYOTUA-cam I knew it! I called this a while ago that you are or were military.
Not sure if I win anything for this, but appreciate you
MEPS went very well! Passed with flying colors! I go to boot camp in May 24th next year :)
To clear things up:
It is true that Greek Spartans will always be a part of history, although much of the embellished stories surrounding the Spartans that were influenced by leaders, and the belief in Greek Gods, all consists of Greek mythology. We have records of the Spartan's beliefs, culture, and practices, but some information such as tossing babies off of cliffs that didn't meet physical standards have been debated without conclusive evidence. That is just one example. One could relate the Spartan program in the Halo universe to reflect Greek Spartan mythology with the harsh and death-risking-initiation phase. But with records stretching from B.C.E. it is wise to not take simple information at face value and understand mythology as consisting of stories about tradition, and culture, not neccessarily assuming mythology to simply mean fake.
While the UNSC is a fictional United Nations Space Command military service, it is very clear throughout Bungie's Halo games, American military was a large inspiration when writing and creating the UNSC. You can spot these inspirations clearly by looking at the rank names, the cliche dialogue at times, the remembrance of artifacts (dog tags), inspired ceremonial formations, and the backed-against-the-wall underdog story. We will be looking at this American made video game by considering the heavily-inspired source, American military.
In Halo Reach, you hear "Troopers" instead of "Soldiers." This got me interested to find out why that is as the Troopers are in the UNSC Army, therefore, Troopers are Soldiers, but are referred to as Troopers seemingly as a distinction.
So, looking up the term "Trooper," the definition includes "a private soldier in a cavalry." This got me interested to find out if there is an emblem that distinguishes the cavalry division, and I believe I found it in Halo Reach. I believe it is the solid diagonal black line on the Trooper's shoulder pads.
In the real world military, the uniform will state in lettering the military branch, but in Halo Reach, there isn't anything like that, therefore, it seems as though Bungie put that diagonal black line to denote a cavalry division (that's my theory). While there are many different units within the UNSC Army, I'm saying Bungie looks to have wanted to include service personnel from all UNSC military branches, and the easiest way to distinguish people of different branches in a video game would be to change the look of the uniform and to utilize certain emblems such as what the Troopers have versus what the Marines have.
As for the red and white chevron on the helmet, I am stating that the chevrons are "not conclusive enough" to determine if it truly denotes a cavalry division as they are a reused asset in Halo CEA, although red and white colors are used to denote cavalry in US Army, therefore, if evidence states otherwise for Halo specifically those red and white chevrons are cavalry and Saber Interactive did get that wrong in Halo CEA, please share the link of the source in the comment section. Whereas the solid diagonal black line on the Trooper is not used elsewhere on the Halo CEA Marines, therefore, the "theory" that the diagonal solid black line denoting a "cavalry" division in the UNSC Army is better supported.
There have been a small group of people that have commented saying that I am pronouncing it as "Calvary" instead of "Cavalry." If you listen carefully, I am pronouncing it as cavalry without the harsh "ca" sound as I talk in paragraphs, therefore, its sounds as if I am saying calvary. I know the difference between the two words, but it is common for people to want to hear something, even if it's not being said.
I put this comment out there, because someone tried to debate but misinterpreted the entire video. I'm sure many of you understand what this video is about, but there are a small few that didn't.
With more views, comes more misinterpretation. The vid was pretty clear but guess not for all.
I guess that Liam guy that was saying some stupid shit was one of the ones who misinterpreted your video? Lol I think he was just a troll with no real argument
@@blackmamba7732 Easy now, keep it clean. But he certainly was the one who misinterpreted the entire video and it was right from the very beginning haha. Attention to detail is vital for debate.
@@KYOTUA-cam aight I figured it was him. But he may have been a troll since you've gained a lot of views from this video in a short time and prob more subs.
I know you've had pretty genuine subscribers on your channel for a while. But wit more exposure, the cream of the crop gets a bit smaller u know.
Army troopers look cooler than any version of the marine.
Since you and the lore mention that the UNSC Navy is now in space, wouldn't the roles conflict with the Air Force?
Not necessarily. UNSC Navy/Marines take on space expeditions and will be involved for planetary force if need be. But UNSC Army/Air Force are major forces for planetary defense and in Halo there multiple planets humans are living on, therefore, there is a need for major fighting forces for a homeworld, forces that are not likely to go on space expeditions. Air Force would be in space though still be close to the planet they are defending.
At least, that's my take on it.
In real life, there's a differentiation between the US Navy and Air Force (and the US Army, which is where our Air Force comes from). The Navy owns aircraft the fly off planes; the Air Force owns aircraft that launch from the ground (to be really simplistic). I would assume planet-based, non-Slipspace capable ships, like the Short Sword, are owned by the Air Force instead of the Navy.
Any space going force would work very similarly to a maritime going force. I can almost guarantee you the United States Space Force will operate more similarly to the US Navy than it will the US Air Force which is what it is a sub division of.
As Beelze said I’m pretty sure the Air Force is used for Aerospace Defense of planets, such as the pilots of the Saber Program and I think (Not enterily sure tho) the crews of the Orbital Defense Platforms
They have a sea-side force, they just use the space element far more now.
In conclusion, I don’t think Bungie really paid much attention to the ranks and different divisions in the UNSC. I always thought the term ‘soldier’ was universal the same with ‘marine’. I called every friendly npc marines except if they’re civilians or part of a ships crew as staff. They probably need to make it more clear in future games to be able to distinguish a marine and a soldier
Well, there really isn’t much difference, the marine’s are just the Navy’s Army. Instead of being assigned to a base they’re assigned to a ship. Navy are all the crewmen, ship commanders and captains, etc. Spartans seem to be their own branch that freely operates between the others.
Slender Man 186 so theoretically when you build a base in halo wars they’re soldiers and not marines? Also what’s the difference between navy in space and the airforce if technically they’re both flying?
TugaFR nope, that’s a temporary prefabricated base that the Spirit of Fire carries, when the battle is won the spirit of fire will take those bases with her, and the Army will move in and set up more permanent bases.
The Air Force is confusing IRL too, there are Army, Navy, and Air Force pilots. I assume the Air Force kinda became the Navy with better space travel and bigger planes capable of going higher, and space combat became more like naval combat, and a water based navy just became obsolete. So once again, the difference would be where they’re stationed, on a permanent base on a planet, or on a carrier ship out in space.
@@Slender_Man_186 there's a huge difference between army infantry and Marines. The UNSC Marine Corps is modeled after the US Marine Corps. The ranks, jargon, dress uniforms and medals/ribbons are the same. Master Chief Petty Officer is a Naval rank so SPARTAN 117 is Naval personnel. The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy, so some things like ribbons and medals are shared. You can see CPT Miranda Keys wearing a yellow blue and red ribbon during the awards ceremony in the begining of H2. That's a CAR, a combat action ribbon meaning she's actually done some actual gunslinging. Which is kind of cool. Lord Hood also wears one. Don't call a Marine a soldier to their face, we don't appreciate it.
nuclearjanitors yeah, see my dad was a US army ranger, 1st infantry, I simply know more about the army than the other branches. I know marines share a lot with the navy, and one basically can’t work without the other. I know that Master Chief Petty Officer is a Navy rank too, but at the same time Noble Team seems to suggests that Spartans aren’t exclusive to the Navy, they’re Army, and in Halo 4 and 5 Spartans are their own branch entirely.
I mean pretty sure definitionally, a soldier is a generalist term for any paid personnel that is part of any ground-, air-, or sea-based military.
The whole thing about Soldier being specifically an ARMY only thing is a small misconception. It's MAINLY used with land forces, but CAN, technically, on a definitional level, be used to refer to any paid military personnel.
Here, have some fun facts to mull over: The origins of the word Soldier literally harkons back to the following two words:
First there is the Middle English and Old French word soudeour, which means Mercenary, further deriving from the word soudee, which refers to a shilling's size in payment.
Then there is the Medival Latin word soldarius which literally means "one being paid" further deriving from the name for the Byzantine empire's coinage; Solidus.
I liked this video strictly because you clarified the difference between Soldiers and Marines
I love this video! One thing to keep in mind is that Halo CE Anniversary was done entirely by 343 and Saber, not Bungie like Halo Reach. The discrepancies you mentioned right at the start with the Calvary emblem and later on with the open helmets are likely because 343 and Saber are incompetent rather than actual creative decisions. As far as I’m concerned Halo Reach is the only relevant game for this comparison, where Bungie has the technology and ambition to customize the various models to such extent. This video changed how I look at Halo Reach, and it gave me one more thing to love about my favorite game. Thanks a bunch!
I liked the video, great job. I think the idea may be that the UNSC standardized many ranks across all of the various branches as their membership consists of people from all over Earth and the colonies. Kinda like how in New Mombasa, an African city, signs are in English. It seems that culture as well as language has kind of melded together in a lot of ways so maybe they decided to change that too? I dunno, I wish the writers had an opportunity to better establish how much humanity has changed in 500 years. Regardless, good video and I'll be on the lookout for more!
you know the one thing i always wish existed ?
a Halo game with two campaigns where in one you play as a marine alongside with a spartan and the second as a trooper, giving emphasis in "you're a normal human, therefore, no super powers", it would be a cool touch for you to go along with your squad and every time a companion die, he gets replaced in the next mission, something much like the games Spec Ops Ranger Elite in the PS1 and Conflict Desert Storm on the PS2 and PC.
Not make the game a complete simulator, give the player holographic gun sights, and make some weapons like that .50 sniper rifle or the rocket launcher impossible to fire on the move, in fact, unless you're doing a combat pace, you're standing crouching or laying prone, you cant be that accurate with your guns, a simulatir without the 100% simulation aspect.
After being in the military, I cringe everytime the Marines are referred to as, or worse, refer to themselves as, soldiers.
Lol
I recently played through CE anniversary on pc. I winced when I heard Keyes say that.
Being raised by a father in the US Army, having a sister in the US Air Force and screaming at military science fiction for the last 8 years has caused me to react the exact same way every time I hear it, it's worse when you get to halo novels because writers use it for the generic term for all soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen and it burns like Tobasco sauce
As someone who knows nothing about the military, I think it's really cool to learn about the distinction between each branch
warystatue33 Marines are not soldiers they are Marines
12 minute video for something you could've done in less than 2 minutes, absolute legend
Being a marine irl, I’ve noticed this. I think the CE quote made by CAPT Keyes is a Oxymoron and is meant to be a joke. (It’s funny how I’ve never seen this)
Came upon your channel by accident. Not disappointed. Subbed. Great stuff with the background music. Keep it up.
Thank you very much!
Please give it to me straight. As a Gunnery Sergeant, do I have the right badge on my cap?
What does your Erb say?
Love the video, on a side note, I'm a corpsman and I have to say having the medics being so clearly marked is a frightening idea. I mean medics and corpsman are often targets, i wouldn't want to stand out more than my medbag already makes me. Just a thought.
Did anybody realize that at 5:51 he was in a fireteam with Chips Dubbo?
why did my comment get multiplied?
I'm glad other people can tell the difference. I don't blame people for getting it wrong though. The voiced dialogue is always consistent with who's who but some of the in-game prompt calls everyone Marines.
Ever since I started playing Halo again, this shit drove me up the wall. "Hey marine soldier army fighting guy man dude, I need ya to kill some covenant" - that shit doesn't fly. As a marine, every time somebody uses "marine" and "soldier" interchangeably it drives me nuts. We don't wear the same uniform, we have very different purposes, etc. With that said, I have an explanation. In halo we have the UNSC, keyword there is UN - as in United Nations. The different governments of Earth combined together to form the UNSC, so different militaries did too. The Chinese, Russian, German, English, Iraqi, Sudanese, Japanese, Australian, Israeli, French, and most notably - the United States, who probably comprised the bulk of personnel, gear, and funding. Different traditions from these countries merged together, so certain terms and traditions might have shifted just a bit.
Another example is the word "Sarge" which is short for sergeant. In the United States Marine Corps, using the word "sarge" to refer to a sergeant is the equivalent of signing your own death warrant. It is extremely frowned upon and will get you yelled at. In addition to that, we address every enlisted who's E-4 (corporal) and up by their rank. If a sergeant asks you a question and yes answer yes, then you would say "yes sergeant", but if a staff-sergeant (E-6) asked you, then you would say "yes staff-sergeant". The problem with this is that in halo, on numerous occasions, SNCOs and Senior Enlisted are simply referred to as "sergeant" despite obviously outranking a sergeant by a few pay grades.
For example, our favorite mustached, cigar smoking marine who knows what the ladies like: Avery Junior Johnson. Everyone I know refers to him as "sergeant Johnson" but he's a Sergeant Major. Sergeants are E-5, Sergeant Majors are at E-9. Big difference in responsibility and rank. So why isn't SgtMaj Johnson screaming at the Marines that just call him sergeant? Well again, the merging of militaries together to form the UNSC. The practice of calling SNCO+ enlisted a "sergeant" despite them ranking higher is common in the army. One of my friends asked why I addressed my SNCOs with their rank title and I explained it to him, and he told me that in the army, any enlisted that ranks as sergeant or higher is just called "sergeant" when addressed.
So with multiple militaries coming together and people moving around, tradtions would have shifted and that's why we see certain inconsistencies with word usage, like soldier/marine or calling marines "sarge" or "sergeant" despite them ranking much higher than that.
The way I've always seen it, the UNSC, despite being considered the Navy, tries to blend each military branch together into a melting pot of military. The mediums in which they serve are blurred. No longer are they just simply boots on the ground, or serving on the seas, or just flying aircrafts (yes, I understand these are generalizations of the military branches). Now it's just one general "army" with individual divisions set for different mission types, while also having some crossover.
Maybe a boots on the ground Sergeant can also fly a pelican if that is what's required, and maybe it's because of that crossover that allowed him a rank as high as it may be. Just my idea, but it may be able to clear up some of the weird discrepancies with how the UNSC works when compared to the USA military we have today.
Let's not forget that small pockets of the UNSC Army would have been ferry to off of reach during the evacuation
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who's made the Bono joke about the Exodus civilians
GOOD GOD FINALLY.
Anyway, i'm surprised you haven't mentioned the UNSC Logo on some of the marine shoulder pads.
He does mention it at 9:16. But I think he stayed away from going into depth about it because the video is more about the difference between Trooper and Marine.
I keep coming back to this vid just watch. I'm not sure exactly why its just interesting to me.
Wow, I always thought the hexagons on their shoulder pads were just large bolts or some other armor design.
Liam Thompson Yeah, now that I’ve given it a better look I can see it’s pretty much printed on there. I guess I’m not as observational as I thought I was.
As for the strip being inverted, it could be possible that it was just a mistake from the developers who accidentally put the symbol in reverse as a texturing glitch or something.
@@MisterJohnDoe Liam misinterpreted the video completely. I said the chevron on the helmet is not conclusive to denote cavalry. A chevron is not just "typical for the rank private", rather chevrons are used for all enlisted individuals. I never said what the chevrons on the helmet stand for, because I have yet to see anything explaining it.
In Halo Reach, you hear "Troopers" not "Soldiers." So looking up the term Troopers, the definition includes "cavalry."
In the real world military, the uniform will state in lettering the military branch, but in Halo Reach, there isn't anything like that, therefore, it seems as though Bungie put that diagonal black line to denote a cavalry division (that's my theory). While there are many different units within the UNSC Army, I'm saying Bungie looks to have wanted to include service personnel from all UNSC military branches, and the easiest way to distinguish people of different branches in a video game would be to change the look of the uniform and to utilize certain emblems such as what the Troopers have versus what the Marines have.
Johnny Topside, I sent this comment to you because Liam has been commenting trying to explain a convoluted and wrong interpretation of the video. I just felt it right to clear that up. Have a great day
Excellent video
Been waiting for this lol
Thank God somebody made a video on this and tried to clear it up.....Thank you.....
i've heard people say that ODSTs accept applications from all over the UNSC despite technically being a marine subdivision, which makes enough sense as you'd have to be the rare madman that wants to drop in a tin coffin from orbit behind enemy lines to sign up for the ODSTs
You can tell when games are made with love. It just gives off an unmistakable energy
Can we keep in mind that this is the UNSC so marines come from all over the colonies and countries under the UNSC so they dont use the exact same terms as the US marines might maybe in the games frequently but many other times in comics books and shows it implies and proves many marines come from other special forces from other countries such as Orlov from mona lisa is ex sptesnaz and the infamous Chipps Dubbo is Australian and would probably use military terms from respective countries and groups not just USMC terms and phrases
No. Halo is one of the few Sci-fi's where humanity is directly united rather than nations that are tied together by a common political (like in Mass Effect). The UNSCDF are heavily influenced by the United States military. And there is no over space command and control through different branches of the government, the colonies are directly ruled by Earth.
Glad I’m not the only one who has over analyzed the detail of the troopers and marines of Reach
The Pillar of Autumn had marines and army soldiers. I always thought it was just the marines, but I looked it up on halopedia (not fandom). But everything in this video is actually what I’ve always believed. I always knew that the soldiers on the last mission were marines
Bungies attention to detail is something Halo has been missing for so long.
10:29 i like that added comical explosion sound effect
6:16 Well, normally ODSTs use Marine ranks, but we saw in Reach that it was possible for Spartan fireteams or squads to be assigned to the Army, most notably in the case of Noble Team. Maybe this is the same for ODSTs on rare occasions? Sort of like how sometimes ODST fireteams or squads are assigned to ONI and its operations specifically.
Odst are drawn from multiple branches. Delta force does a similar thing by recruiting from all over. Whether or not that transfers over in unit rank structure is beyond me. As for branches involved and manpower, I think it just becomes all jumbled up in an invasion and leads to mixed units to maintain effectiveness and survivability due to high casualty rate in the war.
Very curious about the Halo Infinite Marines/Army troopers in terms of the Armour Design. In the first trailer the announcement we saw three Soldiers of the UNSC wearing Green armour designed after the Marine/Army soldiers in Halo Reach what you see in this video. But in the new trailer which came out last E3 the Pilot has a classic Halo 2 remake Marine Helmet laying on the floor when we look through John eyes you can see it to the right. It appears that 343 may be using the two designs maybe even putting the Army in the Halo Reach style outfits and the Marines in the classic Halo 2 remake look. Funny enough in Halo CE remaster the pilot of the escape pod was wearing the Halo 3 marine armour while every other Marine in Halo CE were wearing the Halo Reach armour. So idk what’s going lol
Good picking out the details there. What I believe could be going on is that the UNSC could have very similar battle dress uniforms for all branches. But it is unclear if that cavalry emblem is on those individuals in the Halo Infinite announcement trailer. As for the helmet, I would believe something like a helmet for standard issue would be the same model for all ground combat forces. It would seem unlikely one branch would get a better helmet for ground combat as standard issue. ODSTs are a different story as they wouldn't get standard issue armor. Perhaps if the individuals in the announcement trailer are UNSC Army then that may mean UNSC moved them to a Halo ring for "ringworld defense." But if they are Marines, it would make sense as the Marines carry out fighting force needs for space expeditions.
@@ThreeProphets Kind of like how I already stated that there are differences in the uniform? I've been seeing all of the comments you've been posting. You seem to have misunderstood much of the video.
The red head female trooper in reach is cute as heck. Just saying
bruh fr, bungie knew what they were doing.
Interesting theory, it could be chalked up to lazy writing. I do remember reading the guide that came with HALO Reach saying that Nobel Team was an Army unit under the operational control of the UNSC Navy to be able to function more independently kind of like how JSOC operates independently outside US Forces. If the ODST Battalions operate similarly they might be a mix of operators from all branches under the control of the UNSC MC.
Also one thing in Halo 3 ODST is that in the level uplift reserve Dutch is referred to by the Colonel as trooper although this is most likely due to the fact that he's an orbital drop shock trooper which now that I think about it is also a form of calvary
Well. 343 was trying to make a remaster by using halo reach assets.
In the initial remaster promotional videos, the "remastered" model for the MA5B ICWS (HCE's 60 round bullet hose) was the same model as the MA37 army rifle in Reach.
Obviously in the finished remaster of CE, they use the MA5C assets (from halo 3) instead.
So what I can gather is 343 didnt really care about asset continuity, at least, that closely.
Something I didnt realize though until I watched your video is that the Army troopers in reach are using Gungnir shoulder plates. Might use those in MCC since I wear the Police helmet (like I did back when I played the original reach) and I want trooper armor.
Its nice to know people took interest in looking into Military branches in Halo, sub earneeed!
Inside the game files, the humans of the UNSC have a TON of armor customization options. They have the potential to be used by players (if optimized properly) and can each be very unique. There's even a variant with a black thief mask. Perfect for hot pursuit.
Cavalry units don't always have to be on warthogs or scorpions they can be used the same as any other army unit
7:26 I think it is funny that enlisted can fly top secret aircraft or just aircraft in general in halo.
I didn't realize I needed this. Oddly enough I was driving home today thinking about "why do they call them troooers?"
The armor name for Spartans mjolnir (think I spelt it right) is Thor’s hammers name. So there is a lot of mythology references in Halo
Interesting fact. The UNSC troopers wore their patches like that of the US Army.
Where they always had the unit patch they served on the left shoulder and the deployment patch on the right.
Why you would see the patch on the left shoulder and both shoulders, but you would never see the patch on just the right shoulder.
So they would have a unit patch and a deployment patch
In Halo Infinite and going forward I hope that 343 includes marines, army, airforce/navy and clearly defines which is which. For instance the marines are green colour scheme like H3, the army is khaki like reach, and the navy/airforce has gray colours.
FINALLY! A video that breaks the down difference. 👌
Edit: I think they streamline the ranking system & some traditions. We know you have to address any rank above you as sir regardless of gender, commission or otherwise.
Thank you so much for making this, it drives me nuts how often they get referred to as marines when everything from weapons, armour and vehicles are different to the trilogy. Still can't forgive 343i for using reach troopers in place of marines for CE Anniversary
Man you are thorough. Honestly I love it though even if it seems insignificant. Love the way you talk
Thank you Noble 6. That means a lot!
Thank you for helping get Cortana to Master Chief helping save humanity.
@@KYOTUA-cam just doing my duty sir
This was really cool, thanks for doing it!
I'd imagine the UNSC just uses the term 'Soldier' to refer to any warfighter or combatant.
This relieved me so much because I had to tell people that when they thought they were “Marines”. Thank you
Anyone else realize that Jorge also killed all the Air Force troopers that survived to that point by manually detonating that bomb?
Canonically they all died by the time your supposed to meet up with Jorge at the end
@@joshuapurdy7065 ah makes sense. I never liked how those little things concerning the random troopers with you were never explained. In the games they just disappear with no reason given or just stop following you during a mission.
Skipjack647 yeah that’s happens a lot, they should have made differing cutscenes depending on if the marines survived or not
@@joshuapurdy7065 yeah or at least some different dialogue. Makes me think it like MW did with the civilian casualty ratings.
@@joshuapurdy7065 they had that in halo 2, 3 and odst to an extent
Actually, Halo Reach Concluded with the Pillar of Autumn leaving reach for the Halo in the first game, so having the same cavalry insignia, especially in a massive fleet like the UNSC, seems like good attention to detail :)
damn! This video was pretty good.
Thank you very much :)
@@KYOTUA-cam np, currently binge watching all ur halo videos
@@misriahproductions6280 Enjoy :)
This is an extremely well put together video. Between the editing and the commentary. Sub gained :)
Thank you very much Jake!
About time someone debunked this. Yes, as a kid, I called the troopers marines, but quickly found out that majority of the soldiers seen on Reach are a part of the UNSC Army. The only time marines are seen are on the final mission near the end. Now, I can understand why some people confuse the troopers with marines. Marines have always been an integral part of the Halo games, so it makes sense to automatically assume the troopers in Halo: Reach to be marines. And, even in CE:A, the marine models use the UNSC Army trooper model from Reach, so there's another reason people confuse soldiers and marines in Halo.
In addition: UNSCPDF has the MA37 vs the UNSCMC has the MA5
Capt Keyes in reach has the emblem of an army/marine/air force captain
But that would make him a lieutenant he is supposed to have based on common Halo navy ranks a full bird there
Very cool video! I've also noticed that Captain Keyes has the incorrect rank in the games, as a Naval captain would be an O6 and use the silver eagle, not the silver bars like in other branches.
Correct he's an O-6 and deserves a full bird insignia. Equivalent to Army Colonel. Navy uses silver bars too they're referred to as Lieutenant, O-2 equivalent to Army Captain.
To be honest. Like you’ve mentioned in the end (how humanity is throwing everything they got at the covenant) it would have been nice to see both soldiers and marines fight along chief in Africa in 2 and 3.
i was under the assumption that a soldier was sombody who fought boots on the ground in a military.
This is why I like halo other than some other Syfy shooters because the stuff in halo actually resembles real military things but with a more futuristic approach
Was playing ODST recently and yeah Buck is referred to as “gunny” as in Gunnery Sgt. which is a Marine Corps rank which threw me off because I always thought ODSTs were Army or their own thing.
at 5:16 that red tab on the right side is an armor quick release, to take over the plate if injured
It's also possible to make the point that in halo CE it would make sense for there to be a mix of soldiers and marines on the pillar of autumn, the UNSC evacuated their forces from reach and it's possible that a couple of soldiers could have gotten onto the ship and were just mixed in with the marines since the UNSC was in such a bad situation
Not much to say.
Just subbed.
I honestly want to see more videos like this when waiting for INFINITE , not those so-called news being repeated by different channels again and again (well just my own thought, plz don't be mean).
Great vid, keep it up.
PS:can I make subtitle for this and repost it to other websites with your credits? Want more people seeing this.
Welcome to the channel and thank you for the kind words. You may certainly share it if you'd like!
@@KYOTUA-cam Thank you sir, muchas gracias. Hope could see more vids coming right up!
Keep in mind that the USMC is a completely independent branch with their own naval and aerial assets.
TBH they arent the US military though and its nearly treble the amount of years in the future as the USA has existed nevermind the ranks which are constantly changing so i wouldnt get caught up on specalist too much as roles changed
(just noticed you added that point to the end)
Highly underrated video!
One thing I would’ve liked was for them to update the OG Halo CE MARINE uniforms to be Navy Combat uniforms, that way you have both Navy and Marines. That or sticking some Marine armor on top of those Navy jumpsuits. Like, you don’t get a sense of just how many people actually served on the Pillar of Autumn since, once you get to the ground, there’s only Marines.
You had Chips Dubbo! As a ODST!
ODSTs are actually a sub division of ONI and recruits are taken from all branches of the UNSC military
No. How about you do some research first.
Fun fact the term rank is really used in the UNSC it’s actually more commonly referred as rate-maiming your rate of pay depending on your job just thought i would make note of this
Liam Thompson Actually In the halo Encyclopedia the definitive guide to the Halo universe book, when on the topic of the Unsc the Navicom and Unicom which has control over all unsc ground forces rate or rating is referring to a combination of rate of pay and or job title. The rate is represented by a number of stripes or chevrons on the Uniform, while the the rating is represented by a patch or pin representing the individuals profession. This is used I universally in all UNSC Branches. So calling a marine an E1 is not correct as you would refer to them based on their chosen profession. For example a Technician of the rate of E1 would be referred to as Technician Recruit and that will go up to E6 respectively.
Liam Thompson so no it’s not specific to that branch it is all Unsc Personal within the military
Omg dude you got me at 8:18 I actually grabbed my shotgun and hit the deck to only realize it was the video 😂😂😂
Just gotta make sure the viewers are prepared for anything ;)
@@KYOTUA-cam Well damn at least I know my reaction game good 😭💯
Some of you need to read the description of the video. Even the title says it, but yes he's saying Troopers and UNSC Army. Learn to comprehend people!
I know this is several months old but Combat Evolved Anniversary primarily used recycled assets from Halo Reach. This is why the Elites look weird, and also why the marines are wearing army equipment. Canonically, the marines in CE are wearing the green uniforms you see in 2 Anniversary or the uniforms you see in Halo 3, depending on how equipment was issued.
Even if the symbol was cavalry, though never stated outright, I suspect the Autumn's Crew at launch was whoever Keyes could get on the ship and all were welcome as they were getting the hell out of dodge and a ground pounder is a ground pounder.
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Was about to say I think you're looking to into this with the Saturn thing...
Then I remember Jo Staten was still with Bungie when they made reach.
Game: Has military info conflictions regarding ranks, structure, and other stuff
Me: "Who's to say our armed forces cant change?"
If a smooth white chocolate bar wrapped in gold could talk, it would sound like you.
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@@KYOTUA-cam oh dang you're cultured. Took me a second though 🤣
That was brilliant
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