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Crazy how the Z9 is the oldest and still has the best video specs. Also crazy how the Z8 has the same specs. Even crazier that means you can get those specs for like 3k used
Nikon's used prices have just crashed in the last year. If you have the FTZ adapter and don't mind that you can get a KILLER F mount lens set up for not much.
@@RichardoBrit No, all of their used has. I work at a camera store and the Z Mount stuff doesn't hold value like Canon RF or Sony E - not to mention it sits around. Can;t keep used RF and E lenses and bodies in stock.
@@raph.cinema except; much slower flash sync speed, much lower viewfinder resolution, doesn't have articulating screen. highest rolling shutter. 😂 even at the end of the video chris said he was taking the A1 II. so no not a slam dunk for the Z9 being better everywhere
@@83442handle slow flash sync, important for 10% of users. Low evf resolution? Try it and you will never ever feel it’s lower in resolution. Did you know the Sony lowers its evf res when it auto focuses and when you’re shooting? That gives me headaches, the constant changing in evf resolution. Awful. No arguments mate.
@@ab185 yep. Sony execs cleaning their tears of laughter with dollar bills. Sony customers are so fanboys they are blind. I love the PlayStation though. Haha.
@@raph.cinema If it was the best by far why would Nikon price it that low? 😂They feel guilty and don't want to make too much money? It's a great camera but it's not the best by far. They all have different strengths and weaknesses.
As a Sony user myself, I find the Z8, a very attractive proposal. Especially knowing that Sony doesnt have any answer to it at that price point. I mean it actually competes with any of the flagships including the A1, and at ~the price of the A7RV. Sony forces you to get its flagship at the flagship price if you want a high res stacked sensor doing 20+ fps, Nikon actually in many ways is making their flagship camera accessible for the general public to a point where you may consider it even when you dont own any Nikon gear. !!
I have the Z8 and like the Nikon system, but ironically enough, I find Sony very appealing. Open mount so you can attach any Sigma/Tamron/etc you want. MUCH smaller/lighter bodies (Z8 is a brick). Lenses are a fair amount smaller. I don't typically travel with my Nikon kit and use Fuji (XT5 and 2-3 lenses weighs as much as a Z8 with 24-120).
@@dct124 I don't mind at high iso but at least they should provide an option to turn this off or/and lower the level or reduction doing this at low iso like 100 without an option to turn this off just doesn't make any sense, if i have pro body like this I wanna be in control of these things
@@dct124 "If it works without loss of detail, why not?" That's a big "if". You will always have more processing time/power afterwards, than when in the field. If you're just sending jpegs straight away it doesn't matter, but if raw matters to you, so should the ability to do so from the cleanest data possible. "Also the cameras have been baking in noise reduction at high iso for decades whether you were aware." I am aware that *some* manufakturers have done this. I'm not aware that *all* manufakturers have done this.
Z9 and Z8 have auto-capture, which might be actually an important factor for wild life, sports and motorsport photographers. They also have the best tele glass.
@@airjaff useless is in the eye of the beholder. You either capture the moment or you don't. At the end of the day the name of the game is photography not "I could have maybe captured the moment but I refuse to use jpeg"
So the winner is Nikon Z8 none of these three! I decided that a while ago, it's my next camera. I just want to wait to see if the Canon R7II is stacked sensor already have Canon lenses.
I feel you.... I have the best 2 glasses on Nikon, buuuuuut something about the Sony keeps making me feel like the grass is greener? Plus that gorgeous f2.0 24-70mm 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤....the Autofocus!!! My Z 7II & 6II are not what I feel is good enough, UA-camrs give me the feeling I need to keep up with the Jone's, or I am just a Nikon FanBoy Jone'zing that Nikon will be king of the hill again! "And man we haven't even integrated RED tech yet"!! But really I am thinking "DJI hasn't even scratched the surface of their Hasseblad acquisition. I Digress! Video aspects are always interesting because I would like to do more Video, but my knowledge of how to utilize the value of these camera's is pathetic (to be very kind)! I love the numbers Jordan always let's me know, but honestly I feel like he is speaking Hungarian, or Islandic.... I politely node like I understood every word!
@@feelingaLittleRandy___Gregg I know what you mean about Sony A1II I would love one but I can get a Z8 for half that price grey UK. Also for wildlife Nikon pf lenses are way ahead especially affordable and portable too.
Believe me. Z9 is better. i own both Z9 and Z8. on the spec sheets, they have identical specs for video abilities, but for some reason Z9 produce better video quality due to better control of heating
@@Kyo-uy9qr Yes you may be right with heat It may also affect the noise and IQ over prolonged use but I'm done with large bodies, I've used 1d series for years getting old want light and portable that's why I'm looking at pf lenses as well. The Z8 is heavy enough.. why I'm dreaming of a light stacked Canon R7II. I'm still going to keep my old Canon lenses I've been enjoying both systems over the years.
I am very happy with the overall technology that continues to grow in the camera world. I currently use the Nikon Z9 and have zero complaints with my system. I would honestly say though that although I think Nikon has the overall balance of all three cameras, you can't lose with whatever system you choose to go with.
Just left this comment on someone else's thread! I love what Nikon is doing. and I was a huge advocate and the one initially stating they should have purchased RED cameras. I still to this day joke that now Nikon has more RF video cameras than Canon does! 😂! actually! now that I think about it, Nikon does own RED and RED is still using RF and EF glass and Nikon has F-mount and Z-Mount glass and there is a Sony E-Mount to Nikon Z-Mount Adapter! you know what... I stand corrected! you are right! Nikon literally has access to everyone's glass! therefore, Nikon has THE BEST glass! you are 100% correct in your assessment! 😂🤣
@ exactly. Maybe Nikon doesn’t have the autofocus of Sony and Canon but it is sure good enough. I can do anything with my Z9 and when you add all the lens variants, I think Nikon is in a good place
@@PQPhotography yup I agree with you! Nikon is in a good place, and underrated. I shoot canon as my primary and just reduced my lenses down to 3. I don't need anything other than the 3 I have and if I ever do, I'll rent the rest. But I do understand those who are interested in purchasing a bunch of other lenses for their needs and IMO Nikon has the most variety.
Agreed, but since Sony has a habit of keeping the last models around at a lower price point, I think the A1 Mark 1 will be at that price point and others would were hesitant about getting that because it cost $6,500 might look again, or look at the use market. So Sony is going to keep the mark 2 up there at $6500.
@@TigaWould IMO original A1 should have been dropped to 4000 to compete with R5II and Z8. And I agree that 6500 is a high price for limited update and tons of missed opportunities.
@@anupew3276 Agreed! but Sony isn't going to allow that to happen. Sony still believes the A7RV is the competitor to the Canon R5 and the Nikon Z8. Not sure why because that is a completely different camera, and if you ask me, that camera is more of a specialty camera more so than the all around camera like the Z8 and R5.
$1000 is sort of meaningless over the life of a camera. The only ROI that really matters is getting the best possible photos, which the A1 (and now the A1ii) will allow you to do.
@@rghurst I've used the A1 mark 1, The Canon R5 mark 1, and the Nikon Z9. I took photos with each of them. you want to know what I noticed with all 3 of them? you can't tell the difference! you want to know what other photographers noticed about the image quality of all 3 of them? they couldn't tell the difference! you want to know the only way to distinguish the 3 of them? Color science out of the camera. You want to know what happened when edited all 3 so the colors were the exact same? No one could tell the difference. 😂
one small correction: The A1 and A1II can both sync flash (any flash including studio strobes or arena strobes for sports) at 1/400th, not 1/200th. You have to monkey with the menus to get there but 1/400th sync works with any Pocket Wizard as well.
This right here. I think we're at a point in time where camera technology has already peaked. They're all amazing and it's only up to the user now to either make the best use of it or complain about something so miniscule.
But there's also an issue from the 3rd parties perspective: Nikon has a small market share (last year 13%), possibly declining, given the Z6 III sales failure. Nikon is now approaching former Pentax 10% market share levels Pentax held in the DSLR era. Sigma and Tamron offered only few of their lenses for Pentax back then.
I have the Nikon Z9 and I really wish there were more lens options from Tamron and Sigma for this mount. I have several e-mount lenses so I'm seriously considering the megadap adapter based on Dustin Abbott's recent review.
@@tubularificationed Z6 III sales failure? 😂 Based on what, bs serial number calculations? Several sources have been reporting skyrocketing Z6 III sales. Stop that Sony fanboyism lol
It’s still interesting how canon and Sony have different ideas of a flagship camera. Canon’s flagship R1 series competes with the Sony A9 series, and the R5 series competes with the A1 series. Videos like to get hung up on the flagship title. More comparisons would be good in the actual competition cameras.
exactly, theres no need for reviewers to try define what a flagship should be. if sony decided a9iii was the flagship due to global shutter, that's also fine.
In my opinion, these are called flagship because entitled sports photographers want "flagships". But actually they want the most rugged cameras they don't care about all the features and megapixels. They would not buy a second tier rugged camera, what they actually are.
I prefer the z9 body to the r1. I use both for f1 photography for magazines and while I don’t think the z9 is better for this I prefer their body shape and button positioning and the 3d tracking works just as well under the new firmware as the r1 in its early revision release. The Nikon 400mm f2.8 with built in tele is possibly the best zoom lens on the market. I’ve made a lot of money with the z9 and 400mm f2.8 yet watching Jared polin he seems to have problems getting it to focus on a static dinner plate. Or so he says. 🤷🏻
I very rarely have focus issues with mine. Almost every issue I have had resolve by changing the focus mode. I haven't tried Canon's latest generation, but I did use the R5 and while it was still an amazing camera it's autofocus didn't live up to the hype. Great but not infallible, I don't know what it is with photo influencers, holding different standards for different brands. To be fair I've never used the z9 on the first 2 firmware releases...
@6:25, You state the Z9's dynamic range is negatively affected by not having a mechanical shutter. You made a similar claim about the Nikon Zf's electronic shutter in your recent Zf vs Z6 III video. Both claims are incorrect. None of the Z cameras on the market today incur a DR penalty when using an electronic shutter. The Z9's lower DR compared to the A1 is not due to its exclusive use of an electronic shutter.
Yeah, I was really disappointed to see this false claim repeated again by Chris. It is true on some cameras. It is not true on the Nikons. And then he shows a DR chart that shows the A1 II with essentially identical DR to the Z9.
@@JordanCS13 I'd imagine what he's referencing is the fact that Nikon's 45 megapixel stacked sensor has less DR than their 45 megapixel non-stacked sensor. The Z9/8 do have lower DR than the D850 and Z7/Z7 II. It would have been more accurate to say Nikon's stacked sensor implementation has slightly lower DR than their non-stacked sensor of the same resolution, but only below ISO 400. Of course being stacked with a readout speed of over 1/268 of a second is why it doesn't have a mechanical shutter. As for the photonstophotos chart, the A1 graph on there is the original A1, they haven't tested the A1 II yet. I also don't know what kind of dramatic difference in DR you'd really expect, every flagship on the market today has more than enough for most purposes, there isn't any brand in 2024 making full frame sensors with several stops more DR than the competition, but 6.5% higher peak DR and about .5 stops of advantage through almost the entire ISO range, increasing to nearly a full stop at very high ISO is not "essentially identical". If a Z9 II came out and had that kind of improvement it would certainly be mentioned in marketing and reviews.
A1 for me…because aside from all its capability…the grip is removable making it super small, which is the whole point of what the mirrorless system was all about from the beginning.
This is the main reason for me as well, even though I could never afford the a1ii. The size of the camera body, for me, is the main reason I went Sony.
The best camera of all time is still.... My Z7II. Because it's mine and I love it and if I had children I would love it more than them. High resolution with stoopid amounts of dynamic range, the AF is good enough for what I do and the files are really easy to work with.
@@rijuchatterji9521 It's perfectly fine. The Z6II is netter in that regard but I have DxO PureRAW 4 so I don't really care about high ISO noise anymore anyway 🤪
While it might be the best camera you own, The Z7II can't focus on anything moving toward you. So, if you're shooting rocks, landscapes, or static portraits, you're good. I've never had such a low rate of pictures in focus like when I shot Z7, Z7II. Your mileage might vary.
Happy Z8 owner here. Was growing with Nikon: D70s, D90, D500, Z8. Unbelievable that this is about the best you can get, even comparing with the twice as expensive Sony A1 II. Factor in the broad range of lenses like clinic 50/1.8, vintage 35/1.4, tiny 26/2.8 or workhorse 24-70/2.8. Nikon really rocks. Even better: only electronic shutter takes away headache when trading fps for the perfect moment in sports vs rolling shutter.
There is a "best" for a given situation and photographer. It all depends on your specific needs. What might be the best today might not be the best for your next shoot.
The Nikon Z6iii at 1/3 the price of the R1 and partially stacked sensor seems like the better the deal here especially when you consider the 6K 60 internal recording.
@@Ben_Stewart Unless they need superior auto focus technology, or portability. They use the Z8 to film because they can stick it on a tripod, but I'm going to guess if they are going to do any kind of actual photography, they will bring the r5 mk2.
A year ago I switched from Canon to Sony 7RV. Really like this camera but the main reason for changing was the weight and the performance of the Sony lenses. But I must say that the Canon R1 in combination with the 24-105 / 2.8 is a combo which is really tempting for me. Main reasons are: The robustness, the handling and the build-in GPS of the camera body and the internal zoom of the lens.
have it! it's a fantastic lens! it's really a 22m-105mm f/2.8 which is why you get heavy vignetting and distortion when it's uncorrected, but in-body corrections corrects all of those issues automatically and same within post. It's nothing that your Sony lenses aren't already doing (especially 3rd party lenses).
@@Yupthereitism it's not heavy, it's well balanced. I think for those who think it's heavy, they should really try the Tamron 35-150mm f/2-2.8 (which is 2.57 lbs vs the canon 24-105mm f/2.8 which is 2.9 lbs). The Tamron is front heavy and has other issues. same with the Sigma and any other external zooming lens. This is the same across the board. so to say that lens is heavy, when it's not much heavier than Sony's (or any manufacturers) 70-200mm f/2.8 tells me you haven't really used the lens and you're going off of specs.
5:45 I hasten to add that hi-res sensors will have more noise, yes, but also more detail. So if you adjust the luminance to achieve an acceptable noise level (as you would with ANY raw file), you’ll get essentially the exact same amount of noise out of a hi-res sensor as you would a lower-res sensor (and in many cases, you’ll still get more detail). High megapixels really just means “more of everything”. I’m quite happy to move the luminance slider an extra couple of ticks if it gives me more detail and res for cropping (and for keeping my glass carry as light as possible). Resolution DOES matter. It doesn’t mean everything, by any stretch, but it certainly doesn’t mean nothing.
When I bought the Z6 at launch, I was disappointed with the WB in the EVF, but otherwise I was hugely impressed with the viewfinder. Now I have had 5 Z cameras and I’m still very happy with the Z9 viewfinder experience.
Interesting because I had a friend use the EVF on my z8 which is the same as the one on the z9 and he thought it looked more natural and pleasing to his eye than what he had on his Canon R5. Just as with sensors, it's not about how many pixels you have, it's how you use them. It's why the higher end EVFs still have a low refresh rate mode.
Noooo. Of all the brands, Nikon’s still reminds me of an OVF the most. Having 9 million dots on a Sony but then it drops resolution shooting or autofocusing means it misses the point of higher resolution EVF in the first place. You will be constantly reminded that you’re looking at a little TV.
@@ElGrecoDaGeek My issue is manual focusing. I know going from my S1R to my S5II I don't have a huge issue with the resolution drop until I try to punch in to nail focus and I love manual lenses.
Having been shooting a Z9 for two years. As a wildlife pro, its a solid top tier camera, the ease of use, build and handling, gorgeous files and pro video specs are just perfect. Team that with the Z long lenses and well... almost perfect wildlife cam Oh and the auto capture is rather handy extra too for those remote shoots!
The only things that would make me consider switching from my Z9 to a future Z9 ii would be a higher res and bigger EVF and raw-pre-capture... 20 fps raw are fine (although more would be nice to have in some cases...) absolutely love everything else about that camera! 3 years older and still holds up very nicely to those two great competitors!
The problem the Sony a1 ii has is the fact that it’s predecessor was already the best camera on the market.To judge the a1ii in this way would be unfair.We shoot Z9 and Sony a1 /a9iii at home and to be honest the Nikon AF is just inferior to Sony’s.The canon R1 is just a sexy camera with , I think has the best AF on the market, BUT , it only has a 24 Mpxl sensor which makes this very camera less universal.For me the Sony a1 ii is the best flagship camera.Best bang for the buck : a Nikon Z8 or a Canon R5 which is discounted now!
A1 has the worst focus in flagships I ever used. I shoot an animals and its nicely focusing by x-y axes, but if an animal running on z axis a1 just stops working. And eye focus in animals is terrible itself.
@@marleenvandam6931 it’s not an error. It’s just a terribly slow focusing due to a weak processor and incorrect algorithm of tracking system. For example. $2k LUMIX is focusing better that a1. If you will compare it with 3d focusing in Nikon - it’s just another level at all and Sony is a total looser there. Im talking about video here, with the photos a1 works more or less well on mechanical shutter.
Something I'm genuinely curious to check is the performance of the a1ii in really hot conditions. Curious if the smaller body makes a difference there.
A1ii looks like a fantastic camera but in Canada the z8 is on sale for $4699 plus you get the ftz ii adapter an extra battery and CfExpress card. The A1ii is 8499. Sony do you think your camera is worth almost 4000.00 more? Talk about arrogance.
The unfortunate issue is that when they released the a1 at that price point, it was so far ahead of anything else out that they could justify that price. Now that the other companies finally caught up, it would cause a serious uproar to charge $5k for this camera. Sony is pricing is literally an issue with them being so far ahead before.
And I get that, I really do. But it’s time for them to just admit that times have changed and that price no longer makes sense in a flooded market of great cameras. They’re going to lose a lot of potential customers.
@ That’s not what Chris was saying. He was saying that at 40 FPS the R1 shoots compressed RAW. Thats not true; it can shoot uncompressed 14 bit raw at 40 fps.
What a hell of a nitpick lol. Yes.. it does.. uncompressed and compressed raw. Most people these days do not shoot full raw as there’s no benefit unless you’re pulling shadows. Most people know what he’s talking about.
“The R1 isn’t the flagship body”, oh be quiet. Canon’s naming scheme has endured for decades with “1” being the pinnacle of their technology and design. You can be disappointed with their decision to go with 24 megapickles but the R1 does hold Canon’s best.
@@meme4one Just like Canon, I do think Nikon released their D6 to try to recoup as much money as possible because they already invested too much in it. Mirrorless cameras were already taking over in 2017 and onward. Canon releasing the 1DX-iii and Nikon with their D6 shows that they likely didn't want to waste money on those cameras. Anyone who buys a D6 or 1DX-iii, i feel sorry for them.
I think that part of the unsaid point is that the R3 is still very good (and almost the same) vs the R1 and the R5 deuce is also very good. Canon gave themselves competition in their own product stack, which is a weird choice. Also, I think the designation comparison comes from how the competition can achieve similar results but with a much bigger sensor... Almost like Canon cannot match the other two on a higher MP playing field. Which does not appear to be the case because of the R5. The R1 just seems weird and appears to be a forced release; almost like the R1 was floated as the R3, the reception was not as expected, and so they did what upgrades they could before the Olympics and slapped on the R1 name.
My passion is wildlife. I honestly think the cameras are getting so good these days that 95% of photographers would be happy and successful with any of them. For that reason I would buy a Z8 for the body size/ergonomics, I'm not in the 5% (or possibly even less) that needs to be more fussy to get what they want from a camera. ATB MMMD
@@tasselears RED isn't helping with any video options, Nikon bought RED because they owned the patent for lossless compressed internal raw. RED was suing them for including that in their camera, so Nikon just bought RED to shut down the court case.
@ really?)) they solved the issue a few years ago). Now they posted a red luts that has been specifically updated for Nikon cameras, and some officials say that they’ll implement some new red options in next gen flagship Nikon cameras. Nikon owes their all their developments now so why not to use them?
To think that we have reached the pinnacle of performances for Mirrorless cameras with Rolling Shutter sensors. Autofocus and A.i. autofocus is at their maximum peak. We have a minimum 30 FPS with RAW images. 8K resolution video recording. Express memory cards. Robust bodies. And amazing ergonomics. There are not much Canon, Nikon and Sony can do anymore with Rolling Shutter sensor. They can only improve on features like bigger batteries, stronger CPU that allows faster wifi syncing, and better touch LCD screen. I do think Sony's next goal is to achieve the 61 mega pixel Global Shutter sensor and move onto Global shutter. Otherwise, these 3 flagship cameras will easily last 20 years and still hope up 20 years from now.
In fact, hybrid camera is become more an hybride photo/vidéo camera, than a photo camera. For photoshoots, i don't need 120 fps, ( because i don't shot birds or fly) i don't need 61 megapixel ( because in fact, there is absolutely no way to achieve this definition with any 24X36 lens.... But concerning video part, many improvement can be done for nexts gen hybrid body.
I’m going to disagree. All they need to do is unlock 14-bit 24p recording. The current bottleneck for these cameras in video is that they are limited to a maximum of 12-bit. I’ve shot 14-bit stills and imported them as video… and I can absolutely confirm you get Arri levels of post flexibility with the 14-bit files. Both the Canon R1 and Sony A9III are easily fast enough to support this. Back when I did it, I used a Canon R3. There’s a video someone did where he did the same with the A9III. It’s probably just a firmware update to unlock this. Magic Lantern… to the rescue?
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 i think you need more practice and go to cined and dxomark to tcheck real DR from different camera. log video gamma curve 12 bits can achieve more than 12 stop DR. Arri ( because sensor licence) is far away from any other camera about DR and that not a 14 bits question, it's about sensor. hybrid camera need tools like ND internal, real waveform, EVF rotation, and some others function to become really better video-tool.
Hi Chris and Jordan, boys, what camera did you shoot Jordon's segment on? I ask because it often lost focus? I appreciate you are busy boys but we would all love to know?
I ised to work with a 47mpx S1R and 24mpx S5 (as well as an Eos R and fuji stuff) and I swear that real cropability and greater picture quality of 47mpx never really showed itself at events. Lens sharpness is more important i think.
Still shooting a pair of Canon 1dx bodies for news sports event very solid cameras theyve been through actual cyclones. Im considering an upgrade to canon R series for the improved AF and frame rate. My preference is the R1 24mp is plenty imho but a major cliant of mine a fellow photographer is pushing the higher mp count of the R5ii they are much cheaper im just not sure they can handle my lack of care im not overly cautious with my kit haha.
I guess we will find out when Nikon releases a Z9ii if they really push the envelope or settle for a modest update. Could be the big 3 are deciding to settle in and just enjoy their market shares, and not really compete too hard anymore.
I just feel that the Nikon Z9 stacks up well against the competition even considering its age. I think that was clear throughout the video. My point is that the biggest reason why people don’t choose the z9 isn’t because the other manufacturers make something better (because that’s debatable) but because Nikon makes such a good and similar camera with the Z8.
@@niccollsvideo then, it could be more sensible (journalistically, if that's a word) to choose the cameras to compare based on what they can do (insert car analogy of your taste) despite how manufacturers call them (flagshship). For example Z8, A1 II, R5 II. Flashship is a term which says nothing about the qualities of a camera more than being the most expensive in their product lineup and this is crucial and the responsible thing to mention if you want to add journalistic value to this video. The argument about the resolution is something as new as arbitrary to expect from a "flagship" camera. What about Nikon Dx / D8xx or even the ancient Canon 5D MkII having more resolution than a 1Dx at its time of launch? The three cameras are more different than this capricious marketing term lets one guess and between the three brands there are other cameras than have more in common than those presented here.
Fun fact! they used the word "Flagship" as a way to get people to buy into their brand! because people are so obsessed with flags and planting their flag in land that doesn't belong to them, the camera manufacturers used this obsession as a way to get brand loyalists. You want to know how I know this? Source: Trust me bro! I just made all this up! 😂
It does feel like the a9iii is a better apples to apples comparison for the R1. The R5ii holds up decently well against the Z9 and A1ii. (I guess you could say the same about the Z8 as well)
everything yo've said is a fact. but, it's only based on megapixels. outside of that, all of these cameras are more than what 99.9999999% of photographers will every need. the only reasons we are all on here debating it, is because the vast majority of people have emotional ties to their brand and want their brand to reign supreme because that validates the purchase into their brand and their bias. The validity of anything stated in this video is shaky because the assumption is that the people watching this video are ammeters! yet, when you have experienced photographers and videographers watching this, we honestly view it as entertainment lol (and I especially do with the comments)! because in the real world... We don't care! we just get the job done and move on!
As a wildlife shooter (most often birds and small mammals) the R1s 24MP FF sensor is a huge handicap. Same with the a9iii. It's like being limited to a 300mm lens when you really need 600mm OR MORE. I suppose the R1/a9iii are fine for most sports, although the sports shooters are really starting to realize the benefits of hi-res cameras. So what types of photography are these 24MP sensors aimed at these days? I would guess controlled situations where you have absolute control over your composition and distance to subject, but even then, more resolution sure is nice.
That's because those cameras aren't built for bird photographers. They are built for sports photographers and photojournalists. It's like using a wrench as a hammer. Yeah, it WILL work in a pinch, but it's the wrong tool!
I'll take my R3 over my R5 II 99% of the time for wildlife. I shoot all kinds of wildlife even small birds and can get frame filling shots with the R3.
The biggest issue I have with the incremental upgrade from A1 to A1mk2 is that it leaves little room for an R5mkii or z8 competitor in the Sony line. I guess they could drop the EVF resolution to 5.6, remove the mechanical shutter and simplify the connectivity to hit a $4500 price point but I doubt they will. I suspect they will prefer to push us to spend $7000 with grip for the A1mkii or walk away. As an A1 owner I’m struggling with that price tag to just get a few desirable features other Sony cameras have had for a couple years.
@@midnightsnack1306 good point, but it lacks precapture and it’s a generation behind on IBIS… and still $1k more for now. But yes, it’s probably the closest match in Sony’s lineup
Nikon discounts the Z8 to $3500 regularly; it is a steal compared to the big 3 pricing. Hell, you can nearly buy two Z8’s on sale for the cost of one of the Canon/Sony offerings.
A few months ago I walked into a local camera store, to pick up a used lens I saw there and got talking with the sales guy. He gave a blanke recommendation for Sony, if you want to do video. "There is nothing better, they really have the video market without competition". I to this day wonder what the dude was smokin'.
FE2 for me, bought it in Japan in the 80's. Father picked up the F3HP. The good old days. Sold them long ago but got almost what I paid for them 30 years later.
Why we're still discussing this after 20yrs is insane 😅 The happy medium range for a sports flagship do it all body is 10mp, 12mp, 16mp, 20mp, 24mp, with 20mp being the preferred among the majority including big stock sites. As a graphic artist and photographer that orders stock images. I'm not downloading your raw files, and I'm not downloading 45mp, 36mp, 24mp, or even 16mp files. The most I want is 12mp. I'll gladly take 10mp or 8mp to work on projects. If I do take higher mp files, I'm instantly reducing them down to 8-12mp depending on project and orientation. If I know it's for a website, 4mp and I only want jpeg. Don't nobody got time to be sending projects across slack and servers to graphic artist across the world. Just killing my dropbox.
Large prints and high crop power do benefit from an 8k sensor. 45~50mp will be the new 20 mp of flagship cameras for most photographers including sport, like it or not. 45 mp is only 30% more pixels on the edges, it's not like double the increase in angular resolution, so it's really not that much.
@@alansach8437 well, it's the actual clients that ask for 8K camera, so... I know many who aren't considering buying anything lower than 45 mp because they don't do just sports events, bur portrait and landscape work too. I still use 24mp cameras but I feel the need for higher resolution and 45-50 is right in the sweet spot. Anything higher than that is just too much in a 35mm package.
@@ilaion11Doubtful. What's most probable is the release of Small and Medium Raw. Photographers who owned the D850 regularly shot in Medium RAW (36mpx). 55-60mb files are annoying and a waste of time, especially if you're someone who nails exposure the first time at a high rate making RAW obsolete. These bigger sensors are mainly for pushing money into the market. Print shops are not a growing market, it's a shrinking market and ppl don't print huge much at all these days. The majority of images end up on social media or websites at 1-2mpx. On stock sites around 20-36mpx. When my company downloads stock images we're using 4-8mpx. Newspaper 4mpx. Weekly local magazine 2-4mpx. The difference in oversampling from 45mpx down to 20mpx is negligible even when considering noise. Sensor size doesn't even matter b/c we're not checking what camera or lens you used. In fact we prefer APS-C and MFT images than FF for sharpness and greater DOF which makes cutting images like models and animals out way easier. FF/MF overrated, overinflated. RAW overrated for business, we're not editing your RAW file, nor do we want it. Standard profile in almost any camera is perfect. When we build websites, the image gets shrunk down to like 0.1-0.7mpx. Even on those big banners, life size cardboard cut outs, trade show table cloths, etc. 4-8mpx. Those giant files don't get downloaded. Which is even funnier b/c the smaller downloads are compressed from the stock sites 😅 Most y'all need is 20mp, unless you're some fine arts photographer. The Z9 is probably not the best camera to use for that when a GFX or X2D is in the ballpark or 120film.
@@dct124 You forgot that Nikon Z9/8 have lossless compressed full rez RAW that take only 25-30 MB, so your point is invalid. Then, the full 45-50mp files are for our pleasure, we provide clients the res they like.
@@Juventinos fair call but my point is that medium format cameras should be considered flagship cameras. The video doesn't say 35 mm flagship cameras. There's a little bit too much love for Sony Cannon and Nikon on peta pixel......
Z8 also has concerns with over heating which is where the z9 excels. What is the use if the system shuts down or throws a heat error in the middle of a video shoot?
@ AF is fine. It’s better than something like the A7IV which was my last camera. I haven’t tried the newer Sony bodies yet. But “how good does the AF need to be” is something I considered. AF has not need an issue for the 9 months I have been shooting Nikon. The thing with their current system is that they don’t really have that one AF setting you can just set too and forget about it like on Sony. But 3D Autofocus has worked well for me. I switched due to the video capabilities and more comfortable bodies.
@@Philly2tall Well thats's good news... I'm still DSLR on my Nikons when the time comes i might run to a Z9. My Gently used D850 is still seeing me through.. I am trying to keep the count down in case i have to liquidate it to fund the Z9- or another Leica... not quite sure.
When you compare A1II, Z8, Z9, R1, R5II, then you compare the price, the NIKON Z8 seems like the best alternative by far. You even can adapt Sony lenses with the Megadap adapter if needed
I'v got an A7iv and I'm about to upgrade to a A1 or an A1ii. I've got a sigma 24-70 2.8 and 100-400GM and I shoot motorsports but also some wildlife and portraits. spend the money on the A1ii or pickup a gently used A1 w/ a 135GM?
Got the a1 and love it. If money is no object get the a1ii as it has a few bells and whistles but the a1 has no problems tracking and is my go to for fast-moving subjects.
@ if I’m upgrading I’m getting a stacked sensor for faster readout, ability to shoot silent without the insane rolling shutter of the a7iv and I want more than 10fps. So my options are A1 of A1ii.
I switched from Sony to Nikon (Z8)! For me(!) Sony has just no....lets call it ~ "soul".... and I nearly lost my love in photography! But now its back - stronger than ever 🙂! Phantastic build quality and absolutely great results in connection with the wonderful Nikon S-lenses!
My biggest issue with these newer mirrorless systems is my 2018 Macbook Pro choking on these large files. I don't need/want faster than 20FPS or pre-capture. More is not better in my case.
It's crazy how good the Z9 still is. I wonder when there will be an upgrade because it still doesn't need one in terms of technical feats (not software).
@ no. Nextorage a Japanese brand is the best. I also use for my GH7 and Nextorage is fully tested by Panasonic japan and worked on all modes even the highest raw modes.
honestly, "printing larger" is overrated. Unless you're covering a gigantic wall that is looked up from upclose, print size literally doesnt matter. You're not looking at a 10m*10m image from the same distance as a 10cm*10cm image. Big images get away with just as many MP as small images, it's all in relation to where you're standing. Imho the only real benefit of higher MP is cropping _heavily_ , and if you do so, you might want to question your lens and sensor type used. Why would you shoot on a FF and 50mm if you crop down a 45MP image to 5MP (3x zoom). In that case you maybe should just have shot with 100-150mm in the first place or using FF is a waste. Too many MP fill up a given buffer faster, are slower to write on cards (in images per time), take up more card space (thus needing more expensive cards), will be slower again for transferring, editing etc and will fill up hard drives faster. It's not "just better" it's a massive tradeoff, and if you're subject to FOMO, just get an appropriate lens instead of worrying about the cropping. I'd rather have 24MP and a 200-800mm than 50MP and a 200-600. And it's just the same with lower focal lengths. A FHD screen has about 2MP, QHD has 4MP and even 4k has only 8MP, so 24MP is genuinely PLENTY already to crop from. Nobody "needs" 50 or 60 or even more MP, really.
cropping and high megapixel body camera : this is the same: it's for tourists. I shot with 24X36 primes, ( best of best) : a 24x36 lens can just achieve 15-25 mpx in real use. we know that since almost 3 decades.
Even on giant walls that are viewed up close, printing companies up rez the image and let the rips software, and printhead dither, smooth out the pixels. I've seen this for instance at malls with new construction, where the application is temporary, or on event backgrounds, where are the dye sub on fabric also smooths out a lower resolution image. The vast majority of people who talk about resolution for printing, have neither printed large, if they have printed at all. There are advantages to higher megapixel cameras for some things, but 90 to 95% of photographers will never have a practical use that genuinely requires the resolution of these modern cameras.
i actually was about to say the same. this "the-more-megapixels-the-better" hype is so annoying. in reality 20MP would be enough for 99% of all photographers out there.
@@oli177 i do prefer 24MP since it's a neat 6000x4000 resolution (i also like the 6x4 grid for having a center cross and squares, so the combination is even neater), but i fully agree 20MP is enough for very much the most people. I've never understood why we don't have proper resolutions on screens nowadays. Sure, 20y ago "weird" numbers had their reasons, but why couldn't we agree on like 4000x2000 for 4k screens and replace FHD by 2000x1000 (phones literally tend to have a 1:2 ratio nowadays too). Either that or go with a ratio that's closer to the golden ratio, e.g. 2000x1200.
The more reviews I see the more convinced I am to stick with my current setup as I was able to get an A9 (used) and A7RV for the same price as an A1 (or the new version).
@17:20 The lack of understanding in this channel never ceases to amaze me. The Z9 is A LOT more camera than the Z8. It's not just the "GPS, an Ethernet port, and a larger body." The Z9 has way more battery capacity than the Z8, including with the add on grip. The Z9 has dual CFB and when in dual card write mode blows away the Z8 (and everything else 45MP+) in burst mode. The Z9 has an unlimited buffer at 10fps dual card write. On the Z8, its only 4fps (which is about on par with the Sony A1). The thermal design of the Z9 is also far superior to the Z8 (and everything else with such high MP and video specs), which makes a huge difference in the real world when shooting lots of successive bursts and videos. @18:12 I wholeheartedly disagree. 45MP+ FF trumps 24MP FF for sports action and wildlife any day of the week, because you can go crop mode for the extra reach and improvement of the AF and still get 20MP+ and additional framing/cropping in post and all that. 20-25MP are yesterdays sport cameras. BTW, it's not as simple as take the R1 and slap a 45MP sensor in there and keep everything else the same. That is a fantasy. Canon will have to make a ton of compromises, if they don't it will almost certainly have overheating issues and other bugs, and/or it will cost $8k+. Canon went with 24MP, because they could not solve those problems and make it cost competitive with the Z9. The reality is that Canon still all these years later has not been able to release a true competitor to best pro flagship on the market, the Z9, and a little better AF that really only applies to a couple of genre's in stills (because Nikon's video AF is better) isn't going to get them there. And this before we talk about glass, which, honestly, at this point Nikon is just running away with it. @19:25 The A1II is the most versatile how exactly? Compared to the R1, R5II, Z8, and Z9, the A1II does not have great video specs. It's actually dead last in that group, though plenty of other FF MILC's from various OEM's also beat the A1II in video so in reality it's actually pretty far down the list in the FF MILC world when it comes to video. Can't do more than 20fps in stills (lossless RAW, and not all lenses can do 20fps regardless), lessor fps unlimited buffer, lessor thermals, lessor battery, and the clincher...you are stuck using E glass.
TIL that having 8k video is "not great video specs". The Sony is the most versatile because it has the resolution, it has the speed, it has both CFExpress Type A as well as SD card slots, it has the most versatile LCD screen mechanism, it has 8K video, it is tied with the best AF performance, it has the best precapture, etc. And it does all this in the most versatile body.
@@RiposteThis It does not record RAW internal, no 8k to 4k downsample in FF (only in crop), and Sony video AF is still quite bad compared to Nikon's video AF. When you say "best AF performance," what do you mean exactly? As for versatile body, well, they did add a button on the right side of the mount (where the Z8 already has two and the Z9 has three). 🤣
It was introduced back in December of 2021, and yet the Nikon Z9 remains the best all-rounder flagship on the market at the moment. Quite an achievement. And I would expect a Z9II to be announced next year sometime that will up the flagship ante yet again.
Nikon having the Z8 has been very successful for them. It’s been their ace on the hole. No reason saying they should “differentiate” it from the Z9. Going from Z8 to Z9 is just a body ergonomics upgrade (and small insignificant features)
That is not insignificant if you are shooting all day. It's nice to shoot a marathon, and not have your hand cramp 6 hours in because the body is too small for your hands.
Of these camera I want the A1 II the most. I have the original A1 and the second edition is certainly better, but it isn't so much better that I feel the need to upgrade. Especially because they still haven't fixed all the things I was missing with the original in the new one. I don't need internal RAW, but if they had added oversampled 4K I would be really happy. Also why can I still not shoot 24, 25, or 30 fps using HEVC (XAVC-HS), only 50 or 60 fps? I love that they added pre-capture, better AI auto focus and the A9 III body. But these are not enough for me to upgrade. The autofocus of the A1 mk.1 is still more than good enough for most of the things I do. If they had upgraded the video to include RAW or oversampled-modes. Or if there was a new sensor with better dynamic range and better readout speed, I would have been more interested. I suppose the A1 II will get firmware updates that the A1 I won't, so there might be more exclusive features in the future, but I can't buy based on a maybe. Also as someone who work in news, I'm not going to buy a new camera until I'm certain it supports proper C2PA signing. None of these cameras support that yet, even if Sony has announced that even older cameras are supposed to get it. Technically the firmware is out for the A1 I and a few others, but that doesn't matter if they aren't selling the license to activate the feature. C2PA will become really important for news photography in the years to come. I'm disappointed that there isn't more focus on this tech from camera manufacturers.
The reason for the lack of 30/25p (24p is present btw) is that mode is not working in the hardware encoder. Probably a bug in the logic when the processor was designed. It can't be added by firmware, it would require a new processor.
@ You might be right about 24p. In a PAL region so I shoot 25p more often. But the 24p isn’t really 24p, but rather 23.98p. Which is another annoying thing. Btw. Another thing I just remember I am missing in the A1 is support for S&Q in 8K. I know slow motion isn’t possible, but it should be technically be possible to use it for timelapse. Instead you need to set the camera to shoot interval still images to get a timelapse. It works, but the files are larger and less practical. For a long time Resolve didn’t support the 10-bit hief files, so you were stuck with 8-bit jpeg or had to convert the RAW files.
@ Most modern displays are adaptive today. Being locked to the power grid frequency was more of an issue with analog(?) TVs. I shoot 25 because most movie theaters can display 25p natively. And to my eyes it looks indistinguishable to 24p. But unlike 24p, 25p can simply be multiplied by 2x (displaying the same frame twice) if I were to distribute for TV. Essentially shooting 25p allows the image to look (almost) identical regardless of distribution platform. Also it is noticeably less taxing on my system when editing than 50p. But I do sometimes also shoot 50p. Depends on the project.
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OMG deactivate the automatic speech translation. You are the only channel I know who does it. The computer voice translator is awful!
What did you guys film this episode on? I'm watching in 360p and it looks like 720p.
Crazy how the Z9 is the oldest and still has the best video specs.
Also crazy how the Z8 has the same specs.
Even crazier that means you can get those specs for like 3k used
And $3500 brand new
Nikon's used prices have just crashed in the last year. If you have the FTZ adapter and don't mind that you can get a KILLER F mount lens set up for not much.
@ You mean for the F-mount lenses?
Thank you Nikon!
@@RichardoBrit No, all of their used has. I work at a camera store and the Z Mount stuff doesn't hold value like Canon RF or Sony E - not to mention it sits around. Can;t keep used RF and E lenses and bodies in stock.
Keep this in mind:
Z9: December 2021
R1: November 2024
A1 II: November 2024
@@raph.cinema except; much slower flash sync speed, much lower viewfinder resolution, doesn't have articulating screen. highest rolling shutter. 😂
even at the end of the video chris said he was taking the A1 II. so no not a slam dunk for the Z9 being better everywhere
@@83442handle slow flash sync, important for 10% of users. Low evf resolution? Try it and you will never ever feel it’s lower in resolution. Did you know the Sony lowers its evf res when it auto focuses and when you’re shooting? That gives me headaches, the constant changing in evf resolution. Awful. No arguments mate.
To be fair, the A1 is very close to the original that was released in March 2021.
@@ab185 yep. Sony execs cleaning their tears of laughter with dollar bills. Sony customers are so fanboys they are blind. I love the PlayStation though. Haha.
@@raph.cinema If it was the best by far why would Nikon price it that low? 😂They feel guilty and don't want to make too much money? It's a great camera but it's not the best by far. They all have different strengths and weaknesses.
It feels like the A9iii is really the R1 and maybe even Z9 competitor, whereas the A1ii really should be competing with the R5ii and Z8.
Agreed. The lines are not completely clear in this space. It's clear that Sony and Canon consider the term "flagship" differently.
You forget these cameras are supposed to be photo first, video second cameras so by that perspective, A1/Z9/R1 are definitely ‘flagships’
@@JojoJogetthe R5II Is a photo first camera.
Thr R5C is a video first camera.
As a Sony user myself, I find the Z8, a very attractive proposal. Especially knowing that Sony doesnt have any answer to it at that price point. I mean it actually competes with any of the flagships including the A1, and at ~the price of the A7RV.
Sony forces you to get its flagship at the flagship price if you want a high res stacked sensor doing 20+ fps, Nikon actually in many ways is making their flagship camera accessible for the general public to a point where you may consider it even when you dont own any Nikon gear. !!
why aren't you going nikon then? All you need is a lens adapter
Yup. Classic case of "if you want the best, you're gonna pay the most".
@@jammaschan lens adaptors work ok for stills, the performances is not good for AFC tracking for megadap etz adaptor.
I have the Z8 and like the Nikon system, but ironically enough, I find Sony very appealing. Open mount so you can attach any Sigma/Tamron/etc you want. MUCH smaller/lighter bodies (Z8 is a brick). Lenses are a fair amount smaller. I don't typically travel with my Nikon kit and use Fuji (XT5 and 2-3 lenses weighs as much as a Z8 with 24-120).
@@donjulioanejoYou can adapt many of the lenses though. And as for bodies…a Z6III might be good for you, or Z7 II if you do not need the speed.
this buffoonery with baking in noise reduction in raw files should stop 😭
If it works without loss of detail, why not? Also the cameras have been baking in noise reduction at high iso for decades whether you were aware.
@@dct124 I don't mind at high iso but at least they should provide an option to turn this off or/and lower the level or reduction
doing this at low iso like 100 without an option to turn this off just doesn't make any sense, if i have pro body like this I wanna be in control of these things
@@dct124there literally has to be a loss of detail to reduce noise
@@dct124 "If it works without loss of detail, why not?"
That's a big "if". You will always have more processing time/power afterwards, than when in the field. If you're just sending jpegs straight away it doesn't matter, but if raw matters to you, so should the ability to do so from the cleanest data possible.
"Also the cameras have been baking in noise reduction at high iso for decades whether you were aware."
I am aware that *some* manufakturers have done this. I'm not aware that *all* manufakturers have done this.
Absolutely this.
Z9 and Z8 have auto-capture, which might be actually an important factor for wild life, sports and motorsport photographers. They also have the best tele glass.
@@timurhant469 the body is the key thing for me. And the 400 and 600 high grade zooms. Best on the market
Jpeg so it's usless
I think some of you are confusing auto- capture with pre-release capture. Auto capture can record RAW.
@@airjaff useless is in the eye of the beholder. You either capture the moment or you don't. At the end of the day the name of the game is photography not "I could have maybe captured the moment but I refuse to use jpeg"
@@ElGrecoDaGeek you are 100% correct. My mistake. Deleted comment
So the winner is Nikon Z8 none of these three! I decided that a while ago, it's my next camera. I just want to wait to see if the Canon R7II is stacked sensor already have Canon lenses.
I feel you.... I have the best 2 glasses on Nikon, buuuuuut something about the Sony keeps making me feel like the grass is greener? Plus that gorgeous f2.0 24-70mm 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤....the Autofocus!!! My Z 7II & 6II are not what I feel is good enough, UA-camrs give me the feeling I need to keep up with the Jone's, or I am just a Nikon FanBoy Jone'zing that Nikon will be king of the hill again! "And man we haven't even integrated RED tech yet"!! But really I am thinking "DJI hasn't even scratched the surface of their Hasseblad acquisition. I Digress!
Video aspects are always interesting because I would like to do more Video, but my knowledge of how to utilize the value of these camera's is pathetic (to be very kind)! I love the numbers Jordan always let's me know, but honestly I feel like he is speaking Hungarian, or Islandic.... I politely node like I understood every word!
@@feelingaLittleRandy___Gregg I know what you mean about Sony A1II I would love one but I can get a Z8 for half that price grey UK. Also for wildlife Nikon pf lenses are way ahead especially affordable and portable too.
Believe me. Z9 is better. i own both Z9 and Z8. on the spec sheets, they have identical specs for video abilities, but for some reason Z9 produce better video quality due to better control of heating
@@Kyo-uy9qr Yes you may be right with heat It may also affect the noise and IQ over prolonged use but I'm done with large bodies, I've used 1d series for years getting old want light and portable that's why I'm looking at pf lenses as well. The Z8 is heavy enough.. why I'm dreaming of a light stacked Canon R7II. I'm still going to keep my old Canon lenses I've been enjoying both systems over the years.
@@naturealbums z8 grey for £2800 is nuts
I am very happy with the overall technology that continues to grow in the camera world. I currently use the Nikon Z9 and have zero complaints with my system. I would honestly say though that although I think Nikon has the overall balance of all three cameras, you can't lose with whatever system you choose to go with.
Just left this comment on someone else's thread!
I love what Nikon is doing. and I was a huge advocate and the one initially stating they should have purchased RED cameras. I still to this day joke that now Nikon has more RF video cameras than Canon does! 😂! actually! now that I think about it, Nikon does own RED and RED is still using RF and EF glass and Nikon has F-mount and Z-Mount glass and there is a Sony E-Mount to Nikon Z-Mount Adapter! you know what... I stand corrected! you are right! Nikon literally has access to everyone's glass! therefore, Nikon has THE BEST glass! you are 100% correct in your assessment! 😂🤣
@ exactly. Maybe Nikon doesn’t have the autofocus of Sony and Canon but it is sure good enough. I can do anything with my Z9 and when you add all the lens variants, I think Nikon is in a good place
@@PQPhotography yup I agree with you! Nikon is in a good place, and underrated. I shoot canon as my primary and just reduced my lenses down to 3. I don't need anything other than the 3 I have and if I ever do, I'll rent the rest. But I do understand those who are interested in purchasing a bunch of other lenses for their needs and IMO Nikon has the most variety.
The Nikon Z8 really is looking GOOD after this one
It's a God of a Camera. Really the most complete and versatile package.
Which model has the better AF?
@@gewglesux, Z9, and Z8 because of the same sensor, processor, and same AF modes
@@infantfrontender6131 Ok thanks.... some say that overall the Z8 is the better machine overall.
Really disappointed with the A1 II considering the price. Should’ve been priced closer to $5500.
Agreed, but since Sony has a habit of keeping the last models around at a lower price point, I think the A1 Mark 1 will be at that price point and others would were hesitant about getting that because it cost $6,500 might look again, or look at the use market. So Sony is going to keep the mark 2 up there at $6500.
@@TigaWould IMO original A1 should have been dropped to 4000 to compete with R5II and Z8. And I agree that 6500 is a high price for limited update and tons of missed opportunities.
@@anupew3276 Agreed! but Sony isn't going to allow that to happen. Sony still believes the A7RV is the competitor to the Canon R5 and the Nikon Z8. Not sure why because that is a completely different camera, and if you ask me, that camera is more of a specialty camera more so than the all around camera like the Z8 and R5.
$1000 is sort of meaningless over the life of a camera. The only ROI that really matters is getting the best possible photos, which the A1 (and now the A1ii) will allow you to do.
@@rghurst I've used the A1 mark 1, The Canon R5 mark 1, and the Nikon Z9. I took photos with each of them. you want to know what I noticed with all 3 of them? you can't tell the difference! you want to know what other photographers noticed about the image quality of all 3 of them? they couldn't tell the difference! you want to know the only way to distinguish the 3 of them? Color science out of the camera. You want to know what happened when edited all 3 so the colors were the exact same? No one could tell the difference. 😂
one small correction: The A1 and A1II can both sync flash (any flash including studio strobes or arena strobes for sports) at 1/400th, not 1/200th. You have to monkey with the menus to get there but 1/400th sync works with any Pocket Wizard as well.
Waiting for the 24 megapixel battle! Canon Eos R1 vs Sony Alpha A9 Mark III.
Chris bending his wrist wildly and not using the vertical grip is always funny
@paulmomedia253 he said in a video he doesn't like it, but it's still funny
@@paulmomedia253I have always done that and prefer it. It’s not from a point of ignorance but rather preference is all I’m saying.
He like z8 more.
... Claiming that bigger Vgrip-integrared bodies are handy!
These flagship cameras are insanely amazing cameras. I think the only thing holding these cameras back is the user behind the camera. Great video!
This right here. I think we're at a point in time where camera technology has already peaked. They're all amazing and it's only up to the user now to either make the best use of it or complain about something so miniscule.
i think Nikon z9/8 is a winner here , they opened their bayonet for 3d party brands , great specs . But Nikon is bad at marketing.
The Z mount is still pretty closed, they seem to allow only very few 3rd party lenses, as carefully curated exceptions.
But there's also an issue from the 3rd parties perspective: Nikon has a small market share (last year 13%), possibly declining, given the Z6 III sales failure. Nikon is now approaching former Pentax 10% market share levels Pentax held in the DSLR era. Sigma and Tamron offered only few of their lenses for Pentax back then.
I have the Nikon Z9 and I really wish there were more lens options from Tamron and Sigma for this mount. I have several e-mount lenses so I'm seriously considering the megadap adapter based on Dustin Abbott's recent review.
@@tubularificationedstill better than the RF mount. I’m a Canon shooter and would love to have the third party full frame options Nikon shooters have.
@@tubularificationed Z6 III sales failure? 😂 Based on what, bs serial number calculations? Several sources have been reporting skyrocketing Z6 III sales. Stop that Sony fanboyism lol
It’s still interesting how canon and Sony have different ideas of a flagship camera.
Canon’s flagship R1 series competes with the Sony A9 series, and the R5 series competes with the A1 series.
Videos like to get hung up on the flagship title.
More comparisons would be good in the actual competition cameras.
exactly, theres no need for reviewers to try define what a flagship should be. if sony decided a9iii was the flagship due to global shutter, that's also fine.
In my opinion, these are called flagship because entitled sports photographers want "flagships". But actually they want the most rugged cameras they don't care about all the features and megapixels. They would not buy a second tier rugged camera, what they actually are.
I prefer the z9 body to the r1. I use both for f1 photography for magazines and while I don’t think the z9 is better for this I prefer their body shape and button positioning and the 3d tracking works just as well under the new firmware as the r1 in its early revision release. The Nikon 400mm f2.8 with built in tele is possibly the best zoom lens on the market. I’ve made a lot of money with the z9 and 400mm f2.8 yet watching Jared polin he seems to have problems getting it to focus on a static dinner plate. Or so he says. 🤷🏻
I very rarely have focus issues with mine. Almost every issue I have had resolve by changing the focus mode. I haven't tried Canon's latest generation, but I did use the R5 and while it was still an amazing camera it's autofocus didn't live up to the hype. Great but not infallible, I don't know what it is with photo influencers, holding different standards for different brands. To be fair I've never used the z9 on the first 2 firmware releases...
you mean the best prime?
Jared Polin over exaggerates so much lmao
I really think @froknowsphoto shade on Nikon is just a gimmick to get the Nikon fanboys to comment on his videos. You can't take the guy seriously.
Z9 for me everyday.
Over the Z8... I might have to agree... AF and all.
@6:25, You state the Z9's dynamic range is negatively affected by not having a mechanical shutter. You made a similar claim about the Nikon Zf's electronic shutter in your recent Zf vs Z6 III video. Both claims are incorrect. None of the Z cameras on the market today incur a DR penalty when using an electronic shutter. The Z9's lower DR compared to the A1 is not due to its exclusive use of an electronic shutter.
Yeah, I was really disappointed to see this false claim repeated again by Chris. It is true on some cameras. It is not true on the Nikons. And then he shows a DR chart that shows the A1 II with essentially identical DR to the Z9.
@@JordanCS13 I'd imagine what he's referencing is the fact that Nikon's 45 megapixel stacked sensor has less DR than their 45 megapixel non-stacked sensor. The Z9/8 do have lower DR than the D850 and Z7/Z7 II. It would have been more accurate to say Nikon's stacked sensor implementation has slightly lower DR than their non-stacked sensor of the same resolution, but only below ISO 400. Of course being stacked with a readout speed of over 1/268 of a second is why it doesn't have a mechanical shutter. As for the photonstophotos chart, the A1 graph on there is the original A1, they haven't tested the A1 II yet. I also don't know what kind of dramatic difference in DR you'd really expect, every flagship on the market today has more than enough for most purposes, there isn't any brand in 2024 making full frame sensors with several stops more DR than the competition, but 6.5% higher peak DR and about .5 stops of advantage through almost the entire ISO range, increasing to nearly a full stop at very high ISO is not "essentially identical". If a Z9 II came out and had that kind of improvement it would certainly be mentioned in marketing and reviews.
Oh, so it has bad dynamic range and ALSO has no mechanical shutter. That is supposed to make it better?
@@evrythingis1NOT bad just not as high as is technically possible with a different sensor.
Small detail to mention, this video is so well graded, props to the editor.
A1 for me…because aside from all its capability…the grip is removable making it super small, which is the whole point of what the mirrorless system was all about from the beginning.
This is the main reason for me as well, even though I could never afford the a1ii. The size of the camera body, for me, is the main reason I went Sony.
"Do I need to take a fish hook out of you?"
Petition to film ALL videos in Chris' space specifically for the unnecessarily hilarious banter
Him playing with the cartridge press was hilarious.
I love their videos, but I could live without the banter.
The best camera of all time is still.... My Z7II. Because it's mine and I love it and if I had children I would love it more than them.
High resolution with stoopid amounts of dynamic range, the AF is good enough for what I do and the files are really easy to work with.
How is the high ISO noise performance?
@@rijuchatterji9521 It's perfectly fine. The Z6II is netter in that regard but I have DxO PureRAW 4 so I don't really care about high ISO noise anymore anyway 🤪
While it might be the best camera you own, The Z7II can't focus on anything moving toward you. So, if you're shooting rocks, landscapes, or static portraits, you're good. I've never had such a low rate of pictures in focus like when I shot Z7, Z7II. Your mileage might vary.
What display cabinet is that during your sponsor segment at 01:00?
The best flagship is the one you shoot enough to know in and out. YOU are the limit, not these cameras.
Happy Z8 owner here. Was growing with Nikon: D70s, D90, D500, Z8. Unbelievable that this is about the best you can get, even comparing with the twice as expensive Sony A1 II. Factor in the broad range of lenses like clinic 50/1.8, vintage 35/1.4, tiny 26/2.8 or workhorse 24-70/2.8. Nikon really rocks.
Even better: only electronic shutter takes away headache when trading fps for the perfect moment in sports vs rolling shutter.
There is a "best" for a given situation and photographer. It all depends on your specific needs. What might be the best today might not be the best for your next shoot.
The Nikon Z6iii at 1/3 the price of the R1 and partially stacked sensor seems like the better the deal here especially when you consider the 6K 60 internal recording.
Right, no one cares about the Z6III.
@@Zenutheduck-to4nr They sure liked the Z9/8 over the Canon and Sony boy offerings.
@@Ben_Stewart Unless they need superior auto focus technology, or portability. They use the Z8 to film because they can stick it on a tripod, but I'm going to guess if they are going to do any kind of actual photography, they will bring the r5 mk2.
A year ago I switched from Canon to Sony 7RV. Really like this camera but the main reason for changing was the weight and the performance of the Sony lenses. But I must say that the Canon R1 in combination with the 24-105 / 2.8 is a combo which is really tempting for me. Main reasons are: The robustness, the handling and the build-in GPS of the camera body and the internal zoom of the lens.
have it! it's a fantastic lens! it's really a 22m-105mm f/2.8 which is why you get heavy vignetting and distortion when it's uncorrected, but in-body corrections corrects all of those issues automatically and same within post. It's nothing that your Sony lenses aren't already doing (especially 3rd party lenses).
The lens isn’t built very tough and it’s heavy. It’s good for events but that’s about it imo
@@Yupthereitism it's not heavy, it's well balanced. I think for those who think it's heavy, they should really try the Tamron 35-150mm f/2-2.8 (which is 2.57 lbs vs the canon 24-105mm f/2.8 which is 2.9 lbs). The Tamron is front heavy and has other issues. same with the Sigma and any other external zooming lens. This is the same across the board. so to say that lens is heavy, when it's not much heavier than Sony's (or any manufacturers) 70-200mm f/2.8 tells me you haven't really used the lens and you're going off of specs.
@@Yupthereitism and as far as tough, I am not sure what you mean, could you clarify on how it's not tough?
@@YupthereitismIf 3 pounds is heavy for you, I worry for your health
Your videos are always so much better than others who do videos on these subjects.
All from the 51st State of the USA.
5:45 I hasten to add that hi-res sensors will have more noise, yes, but also more detail. So if you adjust the luminance to achieve an acceptable noise level (as you would with ANY raw file), you’ll get essentially the exact same amount of noise out of a hi-res sensor as you would a lower-res sensor (and in many cases, you’ll still get more detail).
High megapixels really just means “more of everything”. I’m quite happy to move the luminance slider an extra couple of ticks if it gives me more detail and res for cropping (and for keeping my glass carry as light as possible). Resolution DOES matter. It doesn’t mean everything, by any stretch, but it certainly doesn’t mean nothing.
The EVF is the only real disappointment with the Z9/Z8, if they fix that in the mk2 it's an almost unbeatable value especially as an all rounder.
When I bought the Z6 at launch, I was disappointed with the WB in the EVF, but otherwise I was hugely impressed with the viewfinder. Now I have had 5 Z cameras and I’m still very happy with the Z9 viewfinder experience.
Interesting because I had a friend use the EVF on my z8 which is the same as the one on the z9 and he thought it looked more natural and pleasing to his eye than what he had on his Canon R5. Just as with sensors, it's not about how many pixels you have, it's how you use them. It's why the higher end EVFs still have a low refresh rate mode.
Noooo. Of all the brands, Nikon’s still reminds me of an OVF the most. Having 9 million dots on a Sony but then it drops resolution shooting or autofocusing means it misses the point of higher resolution EVF in the first place. You will be constantly reminded that you’re looking at a little TV.
@@ElGrecoDaGeek My issue is manual focusing. I know going from my S1R to my S5II I don't have a huge issue with the resolution drop until I try to punch in to nail focus and I love manual lenses.
The next iteration will probably have the EVF of the Z6III
Having been shooting a Z9 for two years. As a wildlife pro, its a solid top tier camera, the ease of use, build and handling, gorgeous files and pro video specs are just perfect. Team that with the Z long lenses and well... almost perfect wildlife cam Oh and the auto capture is rather handy extra too for those remote shoots!
Imma stick with my a7RV for now and deep building my glass collection 😊
same
The only things that would make me consider switching from my Z9 to a future Z9 ii would be a higher res and bigger EVF and raw-pre-capture... 20 fps raw are fine (although more would be nice to have in some cases...) absolutely love everything else about that camera! 3 years older and still holds up very nicely to those two great competitors!
Totally agree
The problem the Sony a1 ii has is the fact that it’s predecessor was already the best camera on the market.To judge the a1ii in this way would be unfair.We shoot Z9 and Sony a1 /a9iii at home and to be honest the Nikon AF is just inferior to Sony’s.The canon R1 is just a sexy camera with , I think has the best AF on the market, BUT , it only has a 24 Mpxl sensor which makes this very camera less universal.For me the Sony a1 ii is the best flagship camera.Best bang for the buck : a Nikon Z8 or a Canon R5 which is discounted now!
A1 has the worst focus in flagships I ever used. I shoot an animals and its nicely focusing by x-y axes, but if an animal running on z axis a1 just stops working. And eye focus in animals is terrible itself.
@ user error probably
@@marleenvandam6931 it’s not an error. It’s just a terribly slow focusing due to a weak processor and incorrect algorithm of tracking system. For example. $2k LUMIX is focusing better that a1. If you will compare it with 3d focusing in Nikon - it’s just another level at all and Sony is a total looser there. Im talking about video here, with the photos a1 works more or less well on mechanical shutter.
@@tasselears… hm, sounds to me like a user error?! 🤷🏼♂️
Something I'm genuinely curious to check is the performance of the a1ii in really hot conditions. Curious if the smaller body makes a difference there.
A1ii looks like a fantastic camera but in Canada the z8 is on sale for $4699 plus you get the ftz ii adapter an extra battery and CfExpress card. The A1ii is 8499. Sony do you think your camera is worth almost 4000.00 more? Talk about arrogance.
A1- 2 looks exactly the same as A1 -1
@ well to be fair it has the ai chip 😂. Not to mention the original a1 has the same pricing issue. Wayyyyy overpriced.
Look at how overpriced and underwhelming the Burano is from Sony. Has poor quality internal nd’s too. It should be half that price.
The unfortunate issue is that when they released the a1 at that price point, it was so far ahead of anything else out that they could justify that price. Now that the other companies finally caught up, it would cause a serious uproar to charge $5k for this camera. Sony is pricing is literally an issue with them being so far ahead before.
And I get that, I really do. But it’s time for them to just admit that times have changed and that price no longer makes sense in a flooded market of great cameras. They’re going to lose a lot of potential customers.
The R1 isn’t shooting compressed RAW at 40 fps; it’s uncompressed, at full 14 bit.
You can select the format according to your preference.
@ That’s not what Chris was saying. He was saying that at 40 FPS the R1 shoots compressed RAW. Thats not true; it can shoot uncompressed 14 bit raw at 40 fps.
@@R17D5D Come on, it shoots 40 FPS 14bit RAW
It is the cameraman's preference to get the data in RAW or cRAW.
What a hell of a nitpick lol. Yes.. it does.. uncompressed and compressed raw. Most people these days do not shoot full raw as there’s no benefit unless you’re pulling shadows. Most people know what he’s talking about.
@@peterebel7899You’re missing the point; Chris gave incorrect information in the video.
Z9 all day, because its Nikon flagship. If need smaller body, i use the 'baby Z9' = Z6III best all around photo and video FF.
“The R1 isn’t the flagship body”, oh be quiet. Canon’s naming scheme has endured for decades with “1” being the pinnacle of their technology and design. You can be disappointed with their decision to go with 24 megapickles but the R1 does hold Canon’s best.
Nikons flagship professional dslrs D6 etc are also "low" MP.
Gameshoes, go wank your mother😂😂 dont cry.
@@meme4one Just like Canon, I do think Nikon released their D6 to try to recoup as much money as possible because they already invested too much in it. Mirrorless cameras were already taking over in 2017 and onward. Canon releasing the 1DX-iii and Nikon with their D6 shows that they likely didn't want to waste money on those cameras. Anyone who buys a D6 or 1DX-iii, i feel sorry for them.
Flawless use of "megapickles"
I think that part of the unsaid point is that the R3 is still very good (and almost the same) vs the R1 and the R5 deuce is also very good. Canon gave themselves competition in their own product stack, which is a weird choice.
Also, I think the designation comparison comes from how the competition can achieve similar results but with a much bigger sensor... Almost like Canon cannot match the other two on a higher MP playing field. Which does not appear to be the case because of the R5. The R1 just seems weird and appears to be a forced release; almost like the R1 was floated as the R3, the reception was not as expected, and so they did what upgrades they could before the Olympics and slapped on the R1 name.
My passion is wildlife. I honestly think the cameras are getting so good these days that 95% of photographers would be happy and successful with any of them. For that reason I would buy a Z8 for the body size/ergonomics, I'm not in the 5% (or possibly even less) that needs to be more fussy to get what they want from a camera. ATB MMMD
Just imagine how far ahead Nikon will be when the Z9II drops in a year or 2
As an owner of z8 , waiting for a z8ii as a second camera). Z8 is still unbeatable and now RED is helping with the video options
@@tasselears RED isn't helping with any video options, Nikon bought RED because they owned the patent for lossless compressed internal raw. RED was suing them for including that in their camera, so Nikon just bought RED to shut down the court case.
@ really?)) they solved the issue a few years ago). Now they posted a red luts that has been specifically updated for Nikon cameras, and some officials say that they’ll implement some new red options in next gen flagship Nikon cameras. Nikon owes their all their developments now so why not to use them?
They'll literally be out of business by then, lol
All are very pro cameras but Z9 the best for me !!!
To think that we have reached the pinnacle of performances for Mirrorless cameras with Rolling Shutter sensors. Autofocus and A.i. autofocus is at their maximum peak. We have a minimum 30 FPS with RAW images. 8K resolution video recording. Express memory cards. Robust bodies. And amazing ergonomics. There are not much Canon, Nikon and Sony can do anymore with Rolling Shutter sensor. They can only improve on features like bigger batteries, stronger CPU that allows faster wifi syncing, and better touch LCD screen.
I do think Sony's next goal is to achieve the 61 mega pixel Global Shutter sensor and move onto Global shutter. Otherwise, these 3 flagship cameras will easily last 20 years and still hope up 20 years from now.
In fact, hybrid camera is become more an hybride photo/vidéo camera, than a photo camera. For photoshoots, i don't need 120 fps, ( because i don't shot birds or fly) i don't need 61 megapixel ( because in fact, there is absolutely no way to achieve this definition with any 24X36 lens.... But concerning video part, many improvement can be done for nexts gen hybrid body.
I’m going to disagree. All they need to do is unlock 14-bit 24p recording. The current bottleneck for these cameras in video is that they are limited to a maximum of 12-bit. I’ve shot 14-bit stills and imported them as video… and I can absolutely confirm you get Arri levels of post flexibility with the 14-bit files. Both the Canon R1 and Sony A9III are easily fast enough to support this. Back when I did it, I used a Canon R3. There’s a video someone did where he did the same with the A9III. It’s probably just a firmware update to unlock this. Magic Lantern… to the rescue?
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 i think you need more practice and go to cined and dxomark to tcheck real DR from different camera. log video gamma curve 12 bits can achieve more than 12 stop DR. Arri ( because sensor licence) is far away from any other camera about DR and that not a 14 bits question, it's about sensor. hybrid camera need tools like ND internal, real waveform, EVF rotation, and some others function to become really better video-tool.
I don't buy a camera based upon megapixels anymore. You can print billboard size prints with a 24 MP camera and it will look great.
Z9 is my grail camera. I will snag one when z9ii or whatever comes out.
Hi Chris and Jordan, boys, what camera did you shoot Jordon's segment on? I ask because it often lost focus? I appreciate you are busy boys but we would all love to know?
I ised to work with a 47mpx S1R and 24mpx S5 (as well as an Eos R and fuji stuff) and I swear that real cropability and greater picture quality of 47mpx never really showed itself at events. Lens sharpness is more important i think.
Have lumix s1. Perfect camera only af not fast, guess s1r same. Now add z8.
Diminishing returns.
Still shooting a pair of Canon 1dx bodies for news sports event very solid cameras theyve been through actual cyclones. Im considering an upgrade to canon R series for the improved AF and frame rate. My preference is the R1 24mp is plenty imho but a major cliant of mine a fellow photographer is pushing the higher mp count of the R5ii they are much cheaper im just not sure they can handle my lack of care im not overly cautious with my kit haha.
I guess we will find out when Nikon releases a Z9ii if they really push the envelope or settle for a modest update. Could be the big 3 are deciding to settle in and just enjoy their market shares, and not really compete too hard anymore.
I think it’s Nikon’s opportunity to leapfrog the competition.
Amazing to me that a comparison of flagship cameras concludes not primarily with how the Z9 compares to the others but how it compares to a Z8.
True. That's a weak twist on this video.
I just feel that the Nikon Z9 stacks up well against the competition even considering its age. I think that was clear throughout the video. My point is that the biggest reason why people don’t choose the z9 isn’t because the other manufacturers make something better (because that’s debatable) but because Nikon makes such a good and similar camera with the Z8.
@@niccollsvideo then, it could be more sensible (journalistically, if that's a word) to choose the cameras to compare based on what they can do (insert car analogy of your taste) despite how manufacturers call them (flagshship). For example Z8, A1 II, R5 II.
Flashship is a term which says nothing about the qualities of a camera more than being the most expensive in their product lineup and this is crucial and the responsible thing to mention if you want to add journalistic value to this video. The argument about the resolution is something as new as arbitrary to expect from a "flagship" camera. What about Nikon Dx / D8xx or even the ancient Canon 5D MkII having more resolution than a 1Dx at its time of launch?
The three cameras are more different than this capricious marketing term lets one guess and between the three brands there are other cameras than have more in common than those presented here.
But where’s the flag on these flagships?
Also, will they blend?
The ship needs to float before they bother with putting the actual flag on it.
@@JosephHHHo That ship sailed a long time ago!
Fun fact! they used the word "Flagship" as a way to get people to buy into their brand! because people are so obsessed with flags and planting their flag in land that doesn't belong to them, the camera manufacturers used this obsession as a way to get brand loyalists. You want to know how I know this?
Source: Trust me bro! I just made all this up! 😂
Chris I would love your old Nikon FE, just let me know when I can come take it off your hands😅
It does feel like the a9iii is a better apples to apples comparison for the R1. The R5ii holds up decently well against the Z9 and A1ii. (I guess you could say the same about the Z8 as well)
everything yo've said is a fact. but, it's only based on megapixels. outside of that, all of these cameras are more than what 99.9999999% of photographers will every need. the only reasons we are all on here debating it, is because the vast majority of people have emotional ties to their brand and want their brand to reign supreme because that validates the purchase into their brand and their bias. The validity of anything stated in this video is shaky because the assumption is that the people watching this video are ammeters! yet, when you have experienced photographers and videographers watching this, we honestly view it as entertainment lol (and I especially do with the comments)! because in the real world... We don't care! we just get the job done and move on!
As a wildlife shooter (most often birds and small mammals) the R1s 24MP FF sensor is a huge handicap. Same with the a9iii. It's like being limited to a 300mm lens when you really need 600mm OR MORE. I suppose the R1/a9iii are fine for most sports, although the sports shooters are really starting to realize the benefits of hi-res cameras. So what types of photography are these 24MP sensors aimed at these days? I would guess controlled situations where you have absolute control over your composition and distance to subject, but even then, more resolution sure is nice.
That's because those cameras aren't built for bird photographers. They are built for sports photographers and photojournalists. It's like using a wrench as a hammer. Yeah, it WILL work in a pinch, but it's the wrong tool!
@@alansach8437 Yeah ... that's sorta what I just said.
I'll take my R3 over my R5 II 99% of the time for wildlife. I shoot all kinds of wildlife even small birds and can get frame filling shots with the R3.
The biggest issue I have with the incremental upgrade from A1 to A1mk2 is that it leaves little room for an R5mkii or z8 competitor in the Sony line. I guess they could drop the EVF resolution to 5.6, remove the mechanical shutter and simplify the connectivity to hit a $4500 price point but I doubt they will. I suspect they will prefer to push us to spend $7000 with grip for the A1mkii or walk away. As an A1 owner I’m struggling with that price tag to just get a few desirable features other Sony cameras have had for a couple years.
Most likely the R5II competitor is the original A1. It will still be in Sony’s lineup and probably given a discount
@@midnightsnack1306 good point, but it lacks precapture and it’s a generation behind on IBIS… and still $1k more for now. But yes, it’s probably the closest match in Sony’s lineup
Nikon discounts the Z8 to $3500 regularly; it is a steal compared to the big 3 pricing. Hell, you can nearly buy two Z8’s on sale for the cost of one of the Canon/Sony offerings.
So the winner is the Z8, with 95% of the performance of all these camera for almost half the price.
Both r5II and Z8
A few months ago I walked into a local camera store, to pick up a used lens I saw there and got talking with the sales guy. He gave a blanke recommendation for Sony, if you want to do video. "There is nothing better, they really have the video market without competition". I to this day wonder what the dude was smokin'.
I would never consider a Z8 due to the 2 different card types. I want consistency, that is why I use a Z9. 📷📸
Which camera was that recorded on? It struggled with focus switching between Chris' reloading bench and Jordan's face.
Did you really start with the FE?? Me too. Still have 2x FE's and and FM2.. plus 5 lenses from 24 to 180mm. Can't bring my self to sell.
Started with the FM(2) from Nikon, Yashica FX-3 Super 2000, and #1 was Pentax MX.
FE2 for me, bought it in Japan in the 80's. Father picked up the F3HP. The good old days. Sold them long ago but got almost what I paid for them 30 years later.
Can you shoot jpg and raw and compare each camera system skin tone color? Set white balance the same.
The Z9 has beautiful colors
Not to mention killer looks and fantastic ergonomics
Because Canon has the absolute best customer service, I will be purchasing the canon R1!
Why we're still discussing this after 20yrs is insane 😅
The happy medium range for a sports flagship do it all body is 10mp, 12mp, 16mp, 20mp, 24mp, with 20mp being the preferred among the majority including big stock sites.
As a graphic artist and photographer that orders stock images. I'm not downloading your raw files, and I'm not downloading 45mp, 36mp, 24mp, or even 16mp files. The most I want is 12mp. I'll gladly take 10mp or 8mp to work on projects. If I do take higher mp files, I'm instantly reducing them down to 8-12mp depending on project and orientation. If I know it's for a website, 4mp and I only want jpeg.
Don't nobody got time to be sending projects across slack and servers to graphic artist across the world. Just killing my dropbox.
Large prints and high crop power do benefit from an 8k sensor. 45~50mp will be the new 20 mp of flagship cameras for most photographers including sport, like it or not. 45 mp is only 30% more pixels on the edges, it's not like double the increase in angular resolution, so it's really not that much.
Telling customers "..like it or not.." is not the way to build a client base!
@@alansach8437 well, it's the actual clients that ask for 8K camera, so... I know many who aren't considering buying anything lower than 45 mp because they don't do just sports events, bur portrait and landscape work too. I still use 24mp cameras but I feel the need for higher resolution and 45-50 is right in the sweet spot. Anything higher than that is just too much in a 35mm package.
@@ilaion11Doubtful. What's most probable is the release of Small and Medium Raw. Photographers who owned the D850 regularly shot in Medium RAW (36mpx).
55-60mb files are annoying and a waste of time, especially if you're someone who nails exposure the first time at a high rate making RAW obsolete. These bigger sensors are mainly for pushing money into the market.
Print shops are not a growing market, it's a shrinking market and ppl don't print huge much at all these days.
The majority of images end up on social media or websites at 1-2mpx. On stock sites around 20-36mpx. When my company downloads stock images we're using 4-8mpx. Newspaper 4mpx. Weekly local magazine 2-4mpx.
The difference in oversampling from 45mpx down to 20mpx is negligible even when considering noise. Sensor size doesn't even matter b/c we're not checking what camera or lens you used. In fact we prefer APS-C and MFT images than FF for sharpness and greater DOF which makes cutting images like models and animals out way easier. FF/MF overrated, overinflated. RAW overrated for business, we're not editing your RAW file, nor do we want it. Standard profile in almost any camera is perfect.
When we build websites, the image gets shrunk down to like 0.1-0.7mpx. Even on those big banners, life size cardboard cut outs, trade show table cloths, etc. 4-8mpx.
Those giant files don't get downloaded. Which is even funnier b/c the smaller downloads are compressed from the stock sites 😅
Most y'all need is 20mp, unless you're some fine arts photographer. The Z9 is probably not the best camera to use for that when a GFX or X2D is in the ballpark or 120film.
@@dct124 You forgot that Nikon Z9/8 have lossless compressed full rez RAW that take only 25-30 MB, so your point is invalid. Then, the full 45-50mp files are for our pleasure, we provide clients the res they like.
I'm curious whyI'm curious why the GFX 100s ii and 100 ii are not consideredI Flagship ? Hassleblad?
which hassleblad would you pick for flagship though?
@@Juventinos XQD 2 ...But the fuji is GFX 100 II is flag ship .... This channel comes across as a bit of a fanboy club for Canon Nikon and Sony
@@nevvanclarke9225 hasselblad h6d-100c i would consider the flagship, that's why i ask.
the xqd line is more of a toy compered to those big cats
@@Juventinos fair call but my point is that medium format cameras should be considered flagship cameras. The video doesn't say 35 mm flagship cameras. There's a little bit too much love for Sony Cannon and Nikon on peta pixel......
I'm still going for the Z9, that is if I had the budget.
Z8 also has concerns with over heating which is where the z9 excels. What is the use if the system shuts down or throws a heat error in the middle of a video shoot?
Z9 and Z8 is where it’s at. Easy decision in my opinion.
Thought i've been hearing AF ISSUES? Not true?
@ AF is fine. It’s better than something like the A7IV which was my last camera. I haven’t tried the newer Sony bodies yet. But “how good does the AF need to be” is something I considered.
AF has not need an issue for the 9 months I have been shooting Nikon. The thing with their current system is that they don’t really have that one AF setting you can just set too and forget about it like on Sony. But 3D Autofocus has worked well for me.
I switched due to the video capabilities and more comfortable bodies.
@@Philly2tall Well thats's good news... I'm still DSLR on my Nikons when the time comes i might run to a Z9. My Gently used D850 is still seeing me through.. I am trying to keep the count down in case i have to liquidate it to fund the Z9- or another Leica... not quite sure.
Love the video! What lens is on the Sony in the thumbnail?
The Z9 may be 3 / to 4 years old but it still reigns supreme ........
When do you think it will be replaced?
@@gewglesux Hmmm difficult to say Nikon keep development secrets better than the CIA...😀
Not to mention it looks sexy af. Canon looks cheap plastic and Sony is small and boring, not to mention soulless.
In Z8, is it wise to turn off high iso noise reduction option? does it affect the sharpness of the photo?
I feel like you guys are always fair and honest with your reviews and opinions.
When you compare A1II, Z8, Z9, R1, R5II, then you compare the price, the NIKON Z8 seems like the best alternative by far. You even can adapt Sony lenses with the Megadap adapter if needed
The OM1-2 is missing. Obviously. Some stuffs are just better than than thoses.
I'v got an A7iv and I'm about to upgrade to a A1 or an A1ii. I've got a sigma 24-70 2.8 and 100-400GM and I shoot motorsports but also some wildlife and portraits. spend the money on the A1ii or pickup a gently used A1 w/ a 135GM?
Used A1. Good glass is always more important
Got the a1 and love it. If money is no object get the a1ii as it has a few bells and whistles but the a1 has no problems tracking and is my go to for fast-moving subjects.
@ if I’m upgrading I’m getting a stacked sensor for faster readout, ability to shoot silent without the insane rolling shutter of the a7iv and I want more than 10fps. So my options are A1 of A1ii.
A1ii for better body, screen and EVF.
If you are using 3rd party lenses you are not getting the full speed of the a1 cameras. 3rd party lenses are capped at 15 fps on Sony.
I switched from Sony to Nikon (Z8)! For me(!) Sony has just no....lets call it ~ "soul".... and I nearly lost my love in photography! But now its back - stronger than ever 🙂! Phantastic build quality and absolutely great results in connection with the wonderful Nikon S-lenses!
What in the world kind of bot comment is this?
With Shutter angle feature on Z9 now, video is rock solid on the Z9. It screams flagship.
I'd take the canon. Excited to see what the R6 III brings.
My biggest issue with these newer mirrorless systems is my 2018 Macbook Pro choking on these large files. I don't need/want faster than 20FPS or pre-capture. More is not better in my case.
You need an M1 Max min to last for a few years.
Audio is a subpar at Chris's desk set
Yup. Still working on it. It’s a lot of work.
@@niccollsvideo are you using a lav or a boom? If you're using a boom, you might need to place some blankets on your table.
@@Wildridefilms We were using a lav. I normally use my Shure podcasting mic but the room does have reverb and I need to reduce that.
I'm not sure if its possible, but please take a look at the default audio output. The automatic translation is awful.
One Sony advantage is quantity of lenses and lens manufacturers available.
PetaPixel making really spicy thumbnails
The picture used to advertise this video reminds me of why I went mirrorless. Sony is the best EDC of the bunch.
It's so weird I think the exact opposite! But that's why we get choice 😂
It's crazy how good the Z9 still is. I wonder when there will be an upgrade because it still doesn't need one in terms of technical feats (not software).
As a r5ii shooter I want a jack of all trades for a “flagship”. a1 or a1ii is my top pick.
Z8 can overheat easily in April heat in SE Asia. I had used it extensively. All photography mode. The best CF cards make somewhat of a difference.
Which do you use? I think Ricci said the Delkin Black is the best IIRC
@ no. Nextorage a Japanese brand is the best. I also use for my GH7 and Nextorage is fully tested by Panasonic japan and worked on all modes even the highest raw modes.
@@Freep-m2l Thanks. Will check it out
I wish y’all would have included the a9 iii in this, I understand why you didn’t, but I think it would’ve been a valuable comparison
I guess because it's not technically the flagship, even though it's the main competitor for the R1
@ yeah, I don’t think Sony considers it the “flagship” but in my eyes, Sony has 2 flagships lol
Out of curiosity, what would be the equivalent Fuji Flagship? Or do they not have one in this segment?
honestly, "printing larger" is overrated. Unless you're covering a gigantic wall that is looked up from upclose, print size literally doesnt matter. You're not looking at a 10m*10m image from the same distance as a 10cm*10cm image. Big images get away with just as many MP as small images, it's all in relation to where you're standing.
Imho the only real benefit of higher MP is cropping _heavily_ , and if you do so, you might want to question your lens and sensor type used. Why would you shoot on a FF and 50mm if you crop down a 45MP image to 5MP (3x zoom). In that case you maybe should just have shot with 100-150mm in the first place or using FF is a waste.
Too many MP fill up a given buffer faster, are slower to write on cards (in images per time), take up more card space (thus needing more expensive cards), will be slower again for transferring, editing etc and will fill up hard drives faster. It's not "just better" it's a massive tradeoff, and if you're subject to FOMO, just get an appropriate lens instead of worrying about the cropping. I'd rather have 24MP and a 200-800mm than 50MP and a 200-600. And it's just the same with lower focal lengths. A FHD screen has about 2MP, QHD has 4MP and even 4k has only 8MP, so 24MP is genuinely PLENTY already to crop from. Nobody "needs" 50 or 60 or even more MP, really.
cropping and high megapixel body camera : this is the same: it's for tourists. I shot with 24X36 primes, ( best of best) : a 24x36 lens can just achieve 15-25 mpx in real use. we know that since almost 3 decades.
Even on giant walls that are viewed up close, printing companies up rez the image and let the rips software, and printhead dither, smooth out the pixels. I've seen this for instance at malls with new construction, where the application is temporary, or on event backgrounds, where are the dye sub on fabric also smooths out a lower resolution image. The vast majority of people who talk about resolution for printing, have neither printed large, if they have printed at all.
There are advantages to higher megapixel cameras for some things, but 90 to 95% of photographers will never have a practical use that genuinely requires the resolution of these modern cameras.
i actually was about to say the same. this "the-more-megapixels-the-better" hype is so annoying. in reality 20MP would be enough for 99% of all photographers out there.
@@oli177 i do prefer 24MP since it's a neat 6000x4000 resolution (i also like the 6x4 grid for having a center cross and squares, so the combination is even neater), but i fully agree 20MP is enough for very much the most people.
I've never understood why we don't have proper resolutions on screens nowadays. Sure, 20y ago "weird" numbers had their reasons, but why couldn't we agree on like 4000x2000 for 4k screens and replace FHD by 2000x1000 (phones literally tend to have a 1:2 ratio nowadays too). Either that or go with a ratio that's closer to the golden ratio, e.g. 2000x1200.
The more reviews I see the more convinced I am to stick with my current setup as I was able to get an A9 (used) and A7RV for the same price as an A1 (or the new version).
@17:20 The lack of understanding in this channel never ceases to amaze me. The Z9 is A LOT more camera than the Z8. It's not just the "GPS, an Ethernet port, and a larger body." The Z9 has way more battery capacity than the Z8, including with the add on grip. The Z9 has dual CFB and when in dual card write mode blows away the Z8 (and everything else 45MP+) in burst mode. The Z9 has an unlimited buffer at 10fps dual card write. On the Z8, its only 4fps (which is about on par with the Sony A1). The thermal design of the Z9 is also far superior to the Z8 (and everything else with such high MP and video specs), which makes a huge difference in the real world when shooting lots of successive bursts and videos.
@18:12 I wholeheartedly disagree. 45MP+ FF trumps 24MP FF for sports action and wildlife any day of the week, because you can go crop mode for the extra reach and improvement of the AF and still get 20MP+ and additional framing/cropping in post and all that. 20-25MP are yesterdays sport cameras. BTW, it's not as simple as take the R1 and slap a 45MP sensor in there and keep everything else the same. That is a fantasy. Canon will have to make a ton of compromises, if they don't it will almost certainly have overheating issues and other bugs, and/or it will cost $8k+. Canon went with 24MP, because they could not solve those problems and make it cost competitive with the Z9. The reality is that Canon still all these years later has not been able to release a true competitor to best pro flagship on the market, the Z9, and a little better AF that really only applies to a couple of genre's in stills (because Nikon's video AF is better) isn't going to get them there. And this before we talk about glass, which, honestly, at this point Nikon is just running away with it.
@19:25 The A1II is the most versatile how exactly? Compared to the R1, R5II, Z8, and Z9, the A1II does not have great video specs. It's actually dead last in that group, though plenty of other FF MILC's from various OEM's also beat the A1II in video so in reality it's actually pretty far down the list in the FF MILC world when it comes to video. Can't do more than 20fps in stills (lossless RAW, and not all lenses can do 20fps regardless), lessor fps unlimited buffer, lessor thermals, lessor battery, and the clincher...you are stuck using E glass.
TIL that having 8k video is "not great video specs". The Sony is the most versatile because it has the resolution, it has the speed, it has both CFExpress Type A as well as SD card slots, it has the most versatile LCD screen mechanism, it has 8K video, it is tied with the best AF performance, it has the best precapture, etc. And it does all this in the most versatile body.
@@RiposteThis It does not record RAW internal, no 8k to 4k downsample in FF (only in crop), and Sony video AF is still quite bad compared to Nikon's video AF. When you say "best AF performance," what do you mean exactly? As for versatile body, well, they did add a button on the right side of the mount (where the Z8 already has two and the Z9 has three). 🤣
It was introduced back in December of 2021, and yet the Nikon Z9 remains the best all-rounder flagship on the market at the moment. Quite an achievement. And I would expect a Z9II to be announced next year sometime that will up the flagship ante yet again.
Nikon having the Z8 has been very successful for them. It’s been their ace on the hole. No reason saying they should “differentiate” it from the Z9. Going from Z8 to Z9 is just a body ergonomics upgrade (and small insignificant features)
That is not insignificant if you are shooting all day. It's nice to shoot a marathon, and not have your hand cramp 6 hours in because the body is too small for your hands.
@ read my post again. I said the other upgrades were insignificant. Not the body ergonomics.
The trouble is that the A1 was a magical intersection between the A7R4 and the A9 II by having a high resolution stacked sensor....
Of these camera I want the A1 II the most. I have the original A1 and the second edition is certainly better, but it isn't so much better that I feel the need to upgrade. Especially because they still haven't fixed all the things I was missing with the original in the new one.
I don't need internal RAW, but if they had added oversampled 4K I would be really happy. Also why can I still not shoot 24, 25, or 30 fps using HEVC (XAVC-HS), only 50 or 60 fps?
I love that they added pre-capture, better AI auto focus and the A9 III body. But these are not enough for me to upgrade. The autofocus of the A1 mk.1 is still more than good enough for most of the things I do. If they had upgraded the video to include RAW or oversampled-modes. Or if there was a new sensor with better dynamic range and better readout speed, I would have been more interested.
I suppose the A1 II will get firmware updates that the A1 I won't, so there might be more exclusive features in the future, but I can't buy based on a maybe.
Also as someone who work in news, I'm not going to buy a new camera until I'm certain it supports proper C2PA signing. None of these cameras support that yet, even if Sony has announced that even older cameras are supposed to get it. Technically the firmware is out for the A1 I and a few others, but that doesn't matter if they aren't selling the license to activate the feature. C2PA will become really important for news photography in the years to come. I'm disappointed that there isn't more focus on this tech from camera manufacturers.
The reason for the lack of 30/25p (24p is present btw) is that mode is not working in the hardware encoder. Probably a bug in the logic when the processor was designed. It can't be added by firmware, it would require a new processor.
@ You might be right about 24p. In a PAL region so I shoot 25p more often. But the 24p isn’t really 24p, but rather 23.98p. Which is another annoying thing.
Btw. Another thing I just remember I am missing in the A1 is support for S&Q in 8K. I know slow motion isn’t possible, but it should be technically be possible to use it for timelapse. Instead you need to set the camera to shoot interval still images to get a timelapse. It works, but the files are larger and less practical.
For a long time Resolve didn’t support the 10-bit hief files, so you were stuck with 8-bit jpeg or had to convert the RAW files.
@motionblurgamer Why shoot 25p? All the display devices you use are 50Hz.
@ Most modern displays are adaptive today. Being locked to the power grid frequency was more of an issue with analog(?) TVs.
I shoot 25 because most movie theaters can display 25p natively. And to my eyes it looks indistinguishable to 24p. But unlike 24p, 25p can simply be multiplied by 2x (displaying the same frame twice) if I were to distribute for TV. Essentially shooting 25p allows the image to look (almost) identical regardless of distribution platform. Also it is noticeably less taxing on my system when editing than 50p.
But I do sometimes also shoot 50p. Depends on the project.
@motionblurgamer If you were shooting for movie theaters you would not be using an A1, nor would you be using HEVC.