What They Don't Tell You About 12th Level Spells - D&D
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"Area of effect: one *GOD* "
lolololol
Matheus Tran only one god smh
Now do it as a Sorcerer and use Meta-Magic to double the number of affected creatures.
No gods, no masters. Turn them all into spell components or spell targets.
The hidden level spell where it allow its caster to turn into something greater than all gods combined: DM.
"he turned himself into a lich and never came back"
No, no ..that's totally a reasonable thing to do...
"Aight, imma head out..."
*sheds all his flesh* "Right, time to leave."
All liches and people who relied on magic for aging must have died, right?
@@b.m.4415 i think the former goddess of magic prevented things from getting that far out of hand by sacrificing herself
@@b.m.4415 nope. Not all. But most
Mystra: Level 10 spells are now illegal, and so are level 11 spells.
Karsus: What about level 12 spells?
Mystra: There are no level 12 spells.
Karsus: *Evil Grin* So they wouldn't be illegal.
@arnold jayeola 13th.
@@youtubeuniversity3638 but this involves just straight up absorbing part of the weave, what would that require?
@@weepingwalnut You basically become the Big Bang and create another universe. Gods and all. What's bigger than apotheosis? Creating new gods by creating a new universe.
*Laughs in level 20 spells*
/\and thats how you get bitch slapped by Ao
Imagine being a priest of Mystryl.
You're an older priest, and have kept her tenets faithfully. Many times in your life, subtle signs have reaffirmed her existence and you're at peace.
Suddenly, shes gone, magic stops working. You're stunned for a few minutes. before you recover, you feel the weave again, but its different. For the first time in your life, you hear the distaince voice of a god in your mind, and you know its being heard by all of her worshippers.
"Listen here you little shits...."
Your god has literally spoken directly to your mind, for the first time in your life, and she NOT happy
Well a new God who's using your old Gods channels.
@@MaestroAlvis completely forgot about this comment, and made me lol rereading it xD
Best comment here
I would literally piss myself in absolute superstitious terror.
Dont fuck with the goddess of magic
well you can't deny his intelligence, It doesn't seem that Karsus had a high wisdom score.
You can't rule a floating city at 22 without an extreme sense of politics and therefore good wisdom score.
Also, he probably made more than a few wish ! And survived.
He was smart, and wise, but too ambitious. Even gods make mistakes and he was as close to one as you could get back in that time
@@alphapolimeris True, but good charisma and some enchantment/illusion magic can get you pretty far, just ask a bard ;)
*Str* 19, *Dex* 13, *Con* 19, *Int* 22, *Wis* 19, *Cha* 15
- _Netheril: Empire of Magic,_ p.114
@@Amesang Str 19 and Dex 13?
He has the same stats in that department as 3.5E Black Bear, with 4 more Con.
This dude...was just a hardier bear in the physical stats department.
I can't *bear* this.
Mistra: "...as a warning to never attempt such a thing again."
Me: "I wanna attempt such a thing again!"
Right??? THe lesson here is to either A. Have a more practical understanding of the universe you're trying to more directly connect yourself to or B. Dont pick the god/goddess of magic lol
My DM is allowing my warforged character to modify and upgrade himself. My joke is that billions of years in the future, R.U.S.T. will be a galaxy-spanning, magically linked matrioshka brain with access to power beyond the gods. The invading armies of the far realm would be cut down instantly by the trillions of nicoll dyson beams at his disposal.
And then he will cast Karsus's Avatar.
@@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63
Future DM:"Wait you have HOW MANY Dyson lasers? AND they are each HOW MANY D20s?... Yeah I am just gonna say the Far Realm invasion is subatomicly atomized before they even know what hit them..." lol.
@@BertoxolusThePuzzled Alright, so let's just assume that a single meteor from the meteor swarm spell is the equivilant of a Tsar Bomb. This is the single largest nuclear weapon ever detonated with an explosive power of 58 megatons. This is 2.4 x 10^17 joules. A 5e meteor swarm deals 20d6 fire damage and 20d6 bludgeoning damage. So a total of 40d6 damage. Divide to show that 1d6 damage is equal to 6.1x10^15 joules, or just under one and a half megatons. So then, the sun emits 3.846x10^26 joules per second. This means that exposure to a full nicoll dyson beam, assuming perfect mirrors, inflicts 63,386,897,404d6 every second. However, a round is six seconds, so it is actually 380,321,384,425d6 per round. But let's assume this is a dexterity saving throw to take half damage. To ensure that a 20th level monk with the mobile feat is unable to escape the beam and thus lose his evasion, it must be at least 200 feet wide. Thus, the energy of the beam per square foot is 1/200^2 the energy of the entire beam, and I would consider a human standing upright to have a cross-section from the top of around 1/2 of a square foot. Thus, the monk would take 4,754,017d6 points of damage per round.
@@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63 Wow nice job on the math. I am guessing that still does the trick and then some.
12th level spell be like: "you are removed from the campaign, your house has been demolished, and all of your money has been burned."
12th Level Spell: A D I O S
Ya'll should read my several pages long extremely detailed Wish casts.
@@gandalf8216 no
@@gandalf8216 can I have a google doc link?
Ah, yes. The only spell Wizards casts on you when buying the books.
Karsus: breaks pretty much all of magic
Gale: “dumbass, i can do much better than him”
Gale is the CEO of magic
Who is gale
@@whiteeye3453 A character from baldur's gate 3 who will literally blow up and destroy the entire world if he does not eat magic items
@@whiteeye3453 once the literal lover of Mystra, he set out to convince Mystra to let him do more cool magic stuff but ended up with a magical nuke in his chest. During his travels to try and do something about that mistake he happens on the trail of the crown of Karsus and gets the idea to basically try and ise it to ascend to godhood
Technically he accidentally made the EXACT SAME MISTAKE, given the problem was that he has some of Karsus' failed magic.
Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Lord Karsus the Archwizard?
I thought not. It's not a story the Clerics would tell you. It's an Arcanist legend.
Karsus was a Lord of Netheril, so powerful and so wise he could use the Weave to control the gods... He had such a knowledge of the arcane arts that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The necromantic side of the Weave is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his war-ravaged homeland, which eventually, of course, he did. He created the first and only twelfth level spell. Unfortunately, when he cast it he made the only possible wrong choice and supplanted the goddess of magic, temporarily ending all magic in the world and causing his homeland to fall from the sky. It's ironic, he destroyed his entire civilization in his attempt to save it.
@arnold jayeola Me neither. But I left it in from the original text anyway. I would imagine an arcanist saying this to a young acolyte would not be an impartial speaker. For instance, we should not think Darth Plagueis was wise merely because Palpatine made such a claim to Anakin.
This...this is amazing
@@Linahres007 Thanks!
Nice
That bit of monologue, coming from such a derided movie as it did, turned out to have an impressively long shelf life.
Clerics: is it possible to learn this power?
Gods: thank me there isn’t
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Archwizard Karsus the Prideful?
I thought not. It's not a story the paladins would tell you. It's a wizard legend.
...Not from a Jedi.
Clerics: What's a "jed-eye?"
Gods: Nevermind...
Except that there is...for divination shows many things.
_" What an irony. He could become a God, yet not safe a single pebble in his life. You see Noob-Mage, the ways of 12th level spells grant abilitys which many consider forbidden. "_
It's not a story Mystra would tell you
"Alright Mystril, I need a Wis saving throw," ... "A what..."
Nah just look her dead in the face and say
"ROLL"
Mystril: "WHICH DIE?"
DM: "Roll."
Mystril: With all bonuses that will be 84
Karsus: That fails
Yus
"He turned himself into a Lich and never came back"
Huh - My dad did that too.
Wait your dad became a lich? Were you an only child?
@@J0hnB09 Complicated family. My cousin's out fighting Dragons and what do I get? Guard duty.
@@Naxthural I was asking if you were an only child, because I hear you might have to sacrifice your child to become a lich, and also is that true?
Entire Pantheon: *Exists*
God of magic: *Needs to maintain magic and has one of the hardest jobs ever*
One Wizardy Boi: I choose that one
Bruh and then he f*cked up the whole weave and screwed up all of magic
So if he was fighting a bunch of magic eaters why would he go for that one? Seems silly to me.
He needed to watch Spiderman
With great power comes great responsibility
@@Hat-Trick He saw UNLIMITED, IRRESTRICT POWAH(!!), forgot the rest, then thought "that's enough"
@@Hat-Trick Like trying to ward off starving beggars, by placing an all you can eat buffet in front of them. Would probably have had the completely opposite effect!
Speaking of Great Old Ones... Don't you think we need a video for that?
That would be so. freaking. amazing.
Mythos intensifies.
Elder Evils first!
YES! please do Great Old Ones, and Elder Evils!
Still waiting on dat Tiamat video tho.
Upvote make it a reality
So if Karsus had been wiser and chose a different god to mantle (perhaps even a god of the enemy such as Gruumsh), this would never have happened?
I'd always thought that he was simply overwhelmed by the power of the goddess, but the fact that Netheril's fall hinged on such a human mistake makes it all the more tragic.
There is no telling what would have happened, but from what we know, choosing another god MIGHT have worked. I mean, other stuff could have gone wrong. But it seems the problem was that his actions made magic disappear entirely, which both messed up the floating city AND his own ability to retain the power of a god.
Though to be honest, the disappearance of magic (even for less than a minute) should have left other massive impacts on the world. Probably killing a good chunk of magical creatures and undeads, collapsing planes, etc.
Then again, magic is weird. I guess he only disrupted weave based magic and not shadow magic or other supernatural forces. Some things are better not be investigated too much, if you want things to make some sense.
Anyway, some plotholes don't make the story less enjoyable :)
The thing is, I dont think its that he picked the wrong god, its that he didnt understand the true work of the gods. He picked the god of magic, who subconsciously fixed magic, and thus magic stopped. What if he had chosen a life/death god? Would he accidentally have killed all life, or raised all dead as an unfathomable undead horde? If he picked one of the gods in the blood war, would he have accidentally unleashed demons and devils on the material plane? To me, the folly here isnt that he chose the wrong god, its that he chose ANY god.
@@JKSSubstandard I mean even the weakest god if summoned to the material plain would probably been able to win the war, so picking even the weakest god to mantle so as to funnel their full power would have done it.
Imagine what would have happened if he had chosen Primas, the god of order, to mantle.
@@alphapolimeris that is...kinda explained?
God's are omnipresent and eternal. To the point that when a new god emerges and forms a domain, he retroactively emerges throughout all of history (i think there was some ocean or water based god as example).
So even if Mystral ceased to exist for a minute, the emergence of Mystra retroactively connects to the exact point where the domain of magic went vacant. So magic existed, it just was very fucky for a bit. Especially since she took a while to fix the damage that had already been done.
DnD gods just have a different way of existing and traversing time i guess. I guess it's the bit about empty domains fundamentally requiring a divine to rule over them, even if they have to draw them from the future or something stupid like that.
@@Nyghtking We already know what would happen, its happened once before when Orcus killed the previous Primus and took his place. It threw mechanus into disarray and led to a schism among the modrons with many leaving. In the power struggle, the competing leaders killed many gnomes and slaad attempting to wipe out chaos and earn the right to become the new Primus. Other gods and beings took the weakened state and invaded and occupied parts of the plane and remain there to this day.
If you see: "AOE: One God"
You know shit is getting real.
Karsus: *Casts this and causes the Weave to basically blue screen.*
Mystra: OKAY TIME FOR A CRITICAL UPDATE.
12th level spells? I haven't even mastered the expert level destruction spells yet. J'zargo keeps teasing me about it.
Quite humorous
I would like you test my fire scroll.
Bruh Just cast 1pt of levitation for 3600 seconds on hin. He'll be stuck for an hour and ask for forgiveness
Haha you can't just put the dude in time out haha
@@fedorkochemasov4533 what mod are you using for that?
It was at that moment he knew...he f**ked up
I don't know why, but I read that in Morgan Freeman's voice
@@JonGee420 we all did
I was reading it in Ron Howard's voice.
Level 15 Spell: Smite Nokia
A theoretical spell that caught the attention of even the gods who then spent millennia crafting it, and upon creation, they took a Nokia to an uninhabited world and tested the spell. The whole world was wiped from existence, but they discovered even that was insufficient to destroy a Nokia.
In fact, even the gods had to leave the plane to avoid being completely erased from the world, leaving only paradoxes and loopholes. Perhaps some gods even failed to leave, and we would never know.
You leave my phone alone! I WILL throw it at you! >:(
The one spell that if they fail a dex save of dc 45 they insta die
@@4dragonblade Thus the Plane of Nokia was created. Everything, even space, was annihilated by the spell, leaving only the Nokia behind. If you ever tried to teleport to this plane, you would be shunted out, as there is simply not enough space left to fit anything else, even atoms.
The last thing Karsus saw was the destruction of the entire empire he sought to protect, because of his own mistake.
Hence...Karsus' Folly...does anyone remember? It was NEVER a 12th Level Spell!!!!!!!!!!!
G o o d
“I see no god up here.
But ME.”
-Karsus.
Gods are merely specks to beings as incomprehensible to them as the gods are to the ones they govern.
I misread that as Karen somehow but it fits!!
Mystra, "That's because you're too lazy to crane your neck."
every time gale talks about Karsus or Mystra
Tav: you aren't that guy pal, you aren't that guy
He becomes the god of ambition and is able to integrate into the pantheon without destroying civilization, I'd say thing worked out well for him.
@@XX-sp3ttthat ain't it, he lost physical form and became a great old one
Anyone else imagine for a sec that we're living in a paralell universe where mystra didn't sacrifice herself for magic?
I like this
Karsus's Character Sheet snippet:
Intelligence: 28
Wisdom: 6
"For an intelligent individual will get out of trouble that a wise one would have never gotten into."
Problem is, he got into trouble without a way out.
Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing it doesn't belong in a fruit salad
@@Th3BlackLotus Every time I hear that quote, I wonder whether cherry tomatoes would be fine in a fruit salad. Seems maybe a little weird but not repulsive.
make his wis 3. that woul probably be more fitting^^
*Str* 19, *Dex* 13, *Con* 19, *Int* 22, *Wis* 19, *Cha* 15
- _Netheril: Empire of Magic,_ p.114
I mean such strength was needed to carry those _massive balls_ of his, no?
>being owned by monsters that eat magic
>hmm i know, ill use magic to replace the goddess of magic
lolling
@Michael Johnson What in the actual fuck are you talking about
@Michael Johnson You're making me genuinely fucking uncomfortable
I finally found the premise for my campaign: The Return of Karsis
Karsus*
id personally do one about Ioulaum, ultimate arcanist turned lich? mmmmmm the encounters they will face :D
@@darksideskyy ironically he actually isn't evil in the lore. He is lawfull neutral
@@jvranjicic2941 Someone tries to use the build on the D&D wiki to become a god (you basically use True Polymorph and then start gaining levels in your new form) and Loulaum comes to stop you.
Nicholas Hartle that would require a tenth level shape change. But yeah it’s possible. People can sacrifice themselves for epic magic.
"Choose your weapon!"
Karsus: *picks a lit stick of dynamite*
Countdown: [20 seconds]
Dynamite time: [15 seconds]
Karsus, at 14 seconds: "Aw fu-
Mages got it easy now days. Back in the thaco day’s, you had to write spells to your book, then study your spells for the day
I seem to recall reading somewhere, that the Magister and Mystra's Chosen are exceptions to the ban on level 10+ spells. If they were to cast one however, the spell would go into effect, but they would immediately forfeit their lives, and instantly get put on trial to defend the spell's use, to decide if the use was justified. The outcome of that trial would decide the fate of their souls, and punishment would be pretty horrifying.
Such as?
@@whiteeye3453 I'm afraid I don't recall. In fact I'm not sure any examples of punishment was given, since this has presumably never actually happened. As for positive outcomes, I think being turned into a different kind of being, specific to Mystra was mentioned, and there by go on serving her. But under no circumstances would these people be allowed to keep on living.
"The tribunal is here to judge you on your casting of Much Greater Invisibility, a 10th level spell. What was your reason for casting this spell?"
"Honorable tribunal, I wished to become really, really invisible."
This is just the ministry of magic from Harry Potter.
New idea for a sick magic item:
The Amulet of Deific Permission.
It has one charge, and is destroyed upon use, but it allows ONE spell to be cast at 10th level.
Also should probably kill the user, as that amount of magic coursing thru you would be enough to make you *pop*
@@hadengibbons3539 "It's okay! Mystra said it was fine!"
@@litchqueenasenath5995source? Trust me bro
@@hadengibbons3539 why would it be coursing through you? You're not a sorcerer and if that were enough to kill anyone than netheril wouldn't have existed in the first place.
I'd like to point out that Karsus does in fact still exist on the Material Plane. According to Powers and Pantheons, where I imagine much of this information was pulled, the body of Karsus exists in the southern High Forest, just south of the Heartblood River, as a tall butte of red stone that radiates powerful chaotic magic; it is from this stone which much of the Dire Wood forest was created, and also from this stone where the eponymous name of the Heartblood River comes from, as the same liquid that pours from the stone when Karsus 'speaks' flows into the river. There is also a statue made of the stone at the temple built upon this butte of stone depicting Karsus, which is also a stone golem that contains part of his essence. Other parts of his essence were split by a Lich named Wulgreth, but there's little written what happened to these after Wulgreth was slain. Anyways, that's my two cents.
Up vote this
did he not say karsus' body was a red rock thingo
he also said his soul is super gone, which it is
Johny Broxy He said that it was a “vestige”, but never specified where it is. Makes it seem like he fell and never hit the ground or transcended planes.
Also, even based on his statements, Karsus’s soul isn’t gone; it never transcended planes. That’s part of his punishment; Powers and Pantheons specifies that Karsus is trapped in the red rock, doomed to suffer for eternity for his mistake in his “godly” capacity. His soul is incomplete at this moment because it has been separated by several forces and the gods, as I mentioned earlier.
@@jzaber3061 so he got i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-screamed?
Can't wait for MrRhexx in 2 years: "What they don't tell you about 97th level spells!"
Level 97th Spell: Chuck Norris Round House.
Target is subjected to a power equivalent to that of the big bang.
97th level spell, usurptation of the dungeon master.
allows the caster to become the new dm
"What they don't tell you about You, the player." _proceeds to provide an eerily accurate description of each of his subscribers_
97th level spell: destroy nokia
It should stop at 13th level. If 12th level allows the complete supplantation of a god, a spell pushing the limits of this tier would possibly allow for the supplantation of an pantheon or several, and like the only known 12th level spell ever cast (to our knowledge), this would mean you'd be able to alter the fabric of and very existence of all that is and isn't within the spheres, and all universes contained therein the sphere or spheres in question. A spell breaking even this boundary would likely allow you to bend even the ethereal fluid outside the spheres to your will, dwarfing anything any being within the -known- multiverse could comprehend. You'd likely be a rival to some the greatest of Eldritch beings and unknowable monstrosities beyond known existence. The only thing more powerful than that would likely be simply becoming an omnipresent Gary Gigax and retconning DnD out of existence.
"I cast flaming sphere at 12th level"
*Several hypergiant stars collide into the weave, burning a hole through the fabric of magic itself*
Me: I wonder what's the strongest spell in D&D? Gotta be one of those level 9 spells I guess. I mean these can control the very flow of time (time stop), bend and create new dimensions (Imprisonment), control cosmic forces (meteor swarm) rule over life and death with but a word (power word, kill) and do pretty much anything you wish for, effectively making you a reality warping god (wish). You can't get much more powerful then that, huh?
MrRhexx: Here's a kid who can cast a level 12 spell.
Me: I'm out.
Same.. 10+ lvl spells is all new to me. And I have been playing since 1987ish
@@Neonhelmet I never played D&D, but the floating cities of Netherim were mentioned in Neverwinter Nights. And I was pretty sure that these are way beyond level 9. Level 9 spells are powerful, but they are still somewhat limited. Like the 100HP limit of Power Word: Kill makes it almost useless, as by the time you can cast it, everyone you would want to cast a 9th level spell on would be much more.. healthy.
He was over 300 years old. When he castet this
@@Maximum7077 Which in DnD Land is not that old. Hell, for elves that's still considered young.
Well see, wish can only reliably duplicate 8th level or lower spells. My guess is that wish is a reward from Mystra to the best spell casters who reached that level. Allowing them, using a strong spell, to go beyond the confines of their own spell books and even their own minds, even if only for a brief moment.
But if they use this spell to do more, since it does allow a lot of creative use, there is a strong chance they won't be able to cast it ever again. Not to mention, it basically brings them as close to death as a lvl 17+ PC can ever get. To me, this seems like the Wish spell is a gift, but also a back door into the weave that can be abused, and your abuse has a chance to alert Mystra to your tomfoolery. If she does then you are no longer permitted to use that spell, or worse.
After playing bg3, learning the whole story of Karsus through this video is incredible...
Vestiges in Tal'Dorei: Cool magic items
Vestiges in official DND lore: NON EXISTENT EXISTENCE
official D&D Vestiges are quantum anomalies
K: "Did you find the 12 headed hydra I requested?"
B: "Uh no boss but we found a 7 and a 5 headed one and brought them together."
K: +Facepalms+ "Want something done right..."
just cut their heads off until they have 12 lol
I have an radom idea for my next campain: a human is born who for some reason isn't affected by the mistras restriction and everyone is trying to find him first.
Aren't mistra's laws definitive, like she replaced the old ones completely so would this even be possible? Maybe the twist is that this person is an avatar of mistra?
@@r.r815 Yeah I feel like you could just work around it to make it happen.
@@r.r815 First off, it doesn't matter what the Gods can do, because the DM is the one who defines their powers. If the DM says she missed one, then she missed one. There's no ifs ands or buts about it.
Secondly, an Avatar of Mistra would make sense, but Idk why she would bother doing that, also, that doesnt sound like the kinda storyline op is going for. What would work though, is if they ended up being the Reincarnation of Karsis. In his last moments, he was still tied to her just long enough to protect himself and cast reincarnation, which may or may not be a spell in your universe.
Could also be someone who has an item that was forged by a God which has antimagic properties, more specifically, it's anti magic, is specifically against, anti magic.
Or it coudl be someone not from this universe. Or perhaps they aren't casting level 10 spells at all, but are actually simulating them, like an android from the future, back in time with heavy artillary, so powerful his blasts cause volcanos to erupt. When you're talking about god defying powers, its bound to get a little crazy.
Could also just end up being a liar and he cant do level 10 spells at all. Was all a misunderstanding, if DM goes this route its because they dont want to actually upset the balance of things, but also, because a lot of Legends and myths are actually just over exaggerated. Take for example the Kraken, or the Loch Nes monster.
Check out 13th Age's The Outsider class
@@r.r815 well yes. But also no. Mystra modified and changed the /Weave/ not magic entirely. The Weave technically is generally called Arcane magic. There also exists Divine, Psionic, and the weird position of Ki. There also exists just powerful abilities one might have that are classified as Extraordinary and Supernatural. More or less you can think of The Weave and The Force(star wars) as exactly the same thing. And much like in Star Wars there exist other mystic arts that are not The Force but can produce similar and sometimes greater effect.
I always felt so sad for Karsus, and I never really thought he was arrogant, but more that he misunderstood what Mystryl’s power was, and that he was trying his best to save his people. Love your videos Rhexx! Keep it going!
well if he picked Litterally any other god he'd be fine,
his hubris was picking the strongest god, any would do, but the strongest was the only one fitting for him, considering he never even thought of them as gods to begin with.
it would have worked had he picked a weak god, that just wasn't enough for him, and he reasoned it with himself by saying it was for others.
not even considering that maybe gods actually do something in d&d, this actual guy, was not wise
@@nyanbrox5418 all it would take is one time traveler to fix it. so sad smh
you can be arrogant as anyone and still have good intentions its not mutually exclusive but goddam is it compounded when your an arrogant asshole.
well logically it makes sense to choose the best source of power to defeat a powerful enemy. while it could have been hubris maybe he just saw it as his best chance to stop the monsters.
Yeah that was my line of thinking, glad to know I’m not crazy
Could you do one on the great old ones
Yes please!
don't make man cite someone who "had no constitution for math"
Plan:
1.Learn the ,Wish' spell
2.cast it with the intention to meet all the requierments to cast Karsus' avatar
3.cast it
4.choose a god
5.profit
overarching step: make sure you make the plan waterproof so the DM has no chance to stop you
Doesn't wish only work on 9th level and below spells?
@@GoldenCrow559 depends. The spell says it can create an item that's 25000 gold or less and cast 8th or lower spells. However, it also says the dm can let you do things. So technically using wish you could just become a god but the dm would probably have it either mess up, not allow you to do it, make it work but add in a consequence, ect
The problem is that it seems to be way beyond what it can do. Wish functions normally for duplicating spells of lower level than cast, everything else requires more magic which is taken directly from the caster, imposing physical penalties. Replicating a 9th level spell through 9th level casting would impose penalties, so casting anything higher could be way more catastrophic.
Furthermore, Mystra can just say 'nah', but I assume we are going with a hypothetical in which she doesn't or simply cannot.
In that case, the spell could backfire massively by, say, fusing them with the target God, adding a few wizard/sorcerer levels to them and modifying their personality. Epic way to derail a campaign, I'm definitely gonna use that.
Now, what would probably require less magic than replacing a God is becoming one, so that's a bit more realistic. I would rule it that the spell would turn the caster into a quasideity, giving them a divine rank of 0.
Lastly, whatever the case, the weave would be so torn from the stress of trying to replicate a spell of such magnitude with only a fraction of the energy necessary given by the caster, that it would just collapse around the area. It could just create zones of wild and/or dead magic, unleash magical calamities onto the plane, shake the borders between the planes and cause a mini Sundering etc. Everything would go to shits, so expect every Inevitable on Mechanus to pay a visit.
OK, now I've got a campaign to write
Step 2- spell fails and mystra stops you from ever casting magic again as a double fck you
@@GoldenCrow559”I wish the spell ‘Karsus’ Avatar’ is now a 9th level spell
Long Rest
“I use wish to cast Karsus’ Avatar
Just wanted to give a btw, thank you for making these. I won't get the chance to really play DnD but these videos are such fun insight in it all
i love how often youre uploading!
You are here as well. Love your animations.
Imagine a campaign with the end goal of recovering Karsus's research papers and then acquiring the materials for the avatar. You would have to homebrew a way to gain a 12th level spell slot and then cast the spell. would be pretty interesting.
Even if you get the instructions and the materials, the weave no longer support the kind of power needed to cast it. Think about it like trying to power heavy industrial machinery through your home power socket: best case scenario, it just doesn't work, worst case, something explode and set your home on fire.
@@Beregorn88 the rules are set upon the old ones, so the old ones Still exist Just not accessible in normal ways but you can make a campaign to bullshit your way to the old way and liberate lv 10+ speels
The DM has the last word on everything, but RAW you can't.
tbh make some magic batteries, okay it with the dm that each magic battery could essentially be a used to power a 'spell slot'. and multiples could be used to cast spells of the corresponding levels.- use them to cast to keep ultra plan secret or don't
once you get the papers and components, use 12 batteries to power the spell.
optional rule - hope to gods (heh), that shit just doesnt overload and discharge scattering you across the cosmos
In my homebrew campaign karsus's crystal form broke into 6 pieces as it fell to Faerun.
The gangs rogue, a half aasimar, touched one, allowing that sixth of karsus to mantle his body and is now the main antagonist.
It's a race against him to destroy/free the remaining crystals. They have managed to do 1 successfully so far.
So he turned himself into a SCP Pattern Screamer
Me sitting in my room age 23, Karsus casting 10th rank spells age 22.
Isn’t there also another unknown spell that was used to kill a god “The Last Word”?
Hell yeah there is. The spell doesn't just kill gods, but it wipes something or someone from existence entirely - including memory of it - as if it never existed at all
@@tabithaalphess2115 Where's that spell from?
@@tabithaalphess2115 ...So basically it causes them to Elder Scrolls-style Zero-Sum? That sounds radically awesome. Also, almost impossible to completely rectify into a game without a DM having literally planned two entire universes, one with, and one without, the target having existed as time passed and they caused effects upon the world.
lightly unrelated but isn't there also a 10th or 11th level spell (not sure which) that allows a lich to split their phylactery into multiple phylacteries that wasn't mentioned on the previous two videos?
@@dorianrobinette9712 Yeah, that one exists. Don't have the material on me now which explains it, but I think there's also a spell that allows to create a species. Might be wrong on that one, but given how many monstrosities there are, I'd be shocked if it wasn't real
"You may also casually bleed without a wound."
So you can be a female warlock.
LMAO
Well, he can also make man bleed out of their anus. Works both ways if you ask me
@@grim3646 If a woman bleeds out of her crotch, it's just that time of the month. If a man bleeds out of his anus, he either better have a hemorrhoid, or he better get his bloody ass to the proctologist.
@@menghao737 And ask his partner to _calm_ _down_ a tad
Isn't a gash considered a wound?
That's why Mystra restricted Gale. Crazy the amount of lore behind this stuff.
100%yes. I LOVED when all of that came up as I already had seen this video a few years ago and was just like "oh Gale you have NO idea what you did"
"A great red boulder." Karsus is the meatball man, confirmed.
I'd like to think that Karsus's last thought as he fell down to the ground was "man I really fucked up this time huh"
Imagine having three and a half centuries to learn how to use magic and how it works only to try using magic on the Goddess of magic.
That wasnt the issue because he succeeded in using the spell against her. The issue was that he should have considered the consequences
Well at least he avoided his soul being eaten slowly in the nine hells. Not believing in any god.
well if karsus had gotten down there, he might actually be more trouble than he´s worth given how powerful he was, even without the remainder of divine power that certainly had infused to his soul.
well, what actually happens if you don't believe in any god in the FR (according to the wiki) is you just become a brick in the outer wall of the City of Judgement on the Fugue Plane (altho iirc you still have the option of being willingly shipped off to The Nine Hells)
@@ukaszMarianszki not at Karsus´s time. The wall was created by Myrkul, who was one of the three gody who succeeded Jergal the former god of the dead. Before that, Asmodeus feasted on the souls of atheists. I´m pretty damn sure, that this actually was one of the reasons Myrkul created the wall. But that´s besides the point. Point is: Myrkul wasn´t even born as a mortal. when Karsus messed up. Myrkul had barely been a god during the time of troubles. (he, bhaal and i think it was bane actually royally pissed of Ao and caused all gods to be thrown into the prime material plane. Myrkul then got taken out by mystra who got killed by either Bhaal or cyric. not exactly sure which. I thin it was bhaal, as Cyric had become a good by killing bhaal and bhaal was somehow involved in that god killing change reaction too. Well Mystra had preparations in place god reborn as mystril without much happening. Spells went crazy a couple of days. but it was extremely tame compared to the fall of Netheril and especially tame compared to the clusterfuck that led to 4e by lore.)
@@ukaszMarianszki that's for people who just don't believe. He believed. He just wanted to undermine them. If you believe the gods exist but activelt work against them then you fit right into that small loophole that Asmodeus gets to take and eat...slowly.
I'm guessing turning yourself into a god and failing half way basically breaks the entire game and he basically fell out of bounds.
#IfoundabugIRL
@@Metalhammer1993 didnt mystra die because she wanted to go back? And tyr or helm didnt let her until her duty was done?
With the whole "and he lifted his helmet and she saw her own doom and she screamed as she died" thing?
I love the pictures you use to accompany these videos. You have a real knack for making the video flow so well.
I haven't watched your videos for a long time, like a year or so. And now I came back and remembered why I liked them so much. Your voice is just so relaxing and the stories you tell are amazing and interesting. And you are always so passionate while telling them. Your kids will have the best bedtime stories hahah
I'm a god!
Shame on you, sweet Nerevar.
What a grand and intoxicating innocence
@@Mare_Man *laughing in god intensifies*
*What is it, Outlander?*
I should've expected Morrowind here.
@@UltimaHeartless you n'wah!
So it would be possible to become a warlock of Karsus?
I believe Karsus was made into a vestige for binders in 3e's _Tome of Magic._
Alpharius I mean... he spent the last part of the video explaining the powers of a warlock who has made a pact with Karsus. All of that information would be pretty pointless if it was impossible to become a warlock of Karsus.
Looking more into it I don't agree that Karsus would be classified as a "Great Old One" since that seems more focused on Far Realm entities (Cthulhu-esque) or entities of entropy (such as Tharizdun, the imprisoned god of madness from _The World of Greyhawk_ ).
With that said, _The Sword Coast Adventurers Guide_ listed an "Undying" option for warlocks, which Ioulaum could be worked into (one of the 3e _Realms_ books, "Lost Empires of Faerûn," mentioned how he eventually became a 41st-level "elder brain lich" controlling a number of undead mindflayers).
@@Amesang I don't know. I feel like something that, by all accounts, doesn't exist, but seems to sorta exist anyway sounds like Great Old One material to me, even if that thing that exists-but-doesn't once existed fully. Sounds to me less like Karsus and more like a paradoxical, otherworldly image of Karsus. But I can also see the argument for that thing not being very Great Old One-ish.
It's sort of been handwavied that the Vestiges that Binders could select in 3.5 were essentially lumped into the Great Old One category. Many of them SHOULDN'T be, but there it is. I don't think Ashardalon counts as a Great Old One, for instance.
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"What could possibly go wrong?"
Proceeds to choose the only wrong answer
Honestly hubris wasn't even the error he just shoulda picked some other god
Some God should have told him, it's not like they wouldn't know what he was planning.
@@chadrobert116 they probably saw it and laugh at the mortal
@@seby826 until he succeded...
It's likely that all the Gods are doing a ton of shit subconsciously.
No matter who he mantled, he was going to fuck this whole system up
The entire point of the story is hubris and how intelligence/power is little without the wisdom to use it properly
Got myself some pizza hut and I was browsing UA-cam for stuff to watch while my hands were busy. And holy damn I was not disappointed, I was so captivated it was insane, like I was laser focused. Great clip man!
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In the old 2nd edition Manual of the Planes it talks about other Planes with 10 and 11th level spells.
"What They Don't Tell You About 12th Level Spells - D&D" - a great deal of information regarding the history and culture of Netheril.
Huh, weird that they didn't tell you that.
Arcane Age is based around it LOL!
Your videos are absolutely amazing! One thing I have been curious about are the sources being cited for your videos, I'd love to read more into some of the things you've touched on. Once again, amazing videos and keep up the great work!
I've been enjoying your look into the lore of magic of the D&D realm, and hope this continues.
Coming to this after playing BG3 and knowing how much of a role Karthus played even in that game is amazing
I would love to see the video where you talk about the work around on how to cast these high level spells, also you should do the Spelljammer Video! and yes finish the Hag series, you also stopped the Giant series where you talked about each individual Giant Race (you've done, Ettin, Firbolg, Hill so far)
Great video man! Love the content! Your channel has helped me learn and create great ideas for my campaigns! Keep up the great work!
Honestly. I often use your Channel for bedtime stories. But this one was way too interesting for that.
Love your work
How cool would it be to make stopping Karsus a whole campaign? Whether it's coming from the future and convincing him to pick literally ANY other god for his spell or a group getting together to try and find another way to stop the war or whatever else you come up with, that sounds like all KINDS of fun to play with!!
I know Im two years late but imagine if you have to prove your worth to the guy who is capable of casting a 12th circle spell. Like the entire campaign is about having to figure out how tf could you impress a guy like that to even consider listening to your advice. Second half of the campaign would be going back to the new world with potentially still uncontrolled magic and realizing that your super high lvl character aint that strong in that future and explore all the homebrew bs the DM throws at you.
Fun idea, too much preptime
Putting out video after video man. I haven't played DnD yet unfortunately, but I love the lore. Mad respect for the grind :)
My dude, you are doing yourself no favors lol. Find a group! You won't regret it!
@@CaptainKirkZ1LLA Don't I know it, can just be hard to get into if none of your friends play.
@@JD-dy3jh I get it man. But once you start, you won't be able to stop lol
in the same situation, never played though I almost did once when I was little. but absolutely love the lore.
Incredibly well done and written. Thank you!
Dude, brand new to your channel. I didn't even know I wanted to learn all this stuff but the lore is amazing and you tell it well.
In Level 13 spell the character become the DM
I would love to see a video about war between high elves and green elves
Damn it my love for dnd is so strong I’ve only heard like two videos and only then maybe half of those. Subscribed.
This is the most enjoyable history lesson ever and you are who I wish I could be. This really fleshes our what I witnessed reading Mortal Consequences
Getting the material components for this spell would make a great high-level campaign ngl
That's part of the campaign in the Arcane Age setting for Forgotten Realms (in 2nd edition AD&D)
So if Karsus is the same as a Great Old One is he as a patron a subclass of a subclass? If so I NEED this.
As from what he said yes but you'll bleed
@@lorekeeper685 I would be okay with bleeding so much. I feel like it as a subclass would just be like you can get "wizard slots" where you have your max at like 6 as a normal warlock you have those and then you get one wizard slot that increases and gets to 9th lvl so you can be a warlock with I think 3 lvl 6 slots and one lvl 9 wizard slot(granted on a long rest instead of short like warlock) by lvl 18 or whatever. I think it would be an interesting take on a warlock and one that would be fun to roleplay.
I Believe what it really is, mostly getting some Eldritch invocations, and talking to the DM for using Wizard items because of your pack with Karus.
@@thebohemian814 what do you mean getting some eldritch invocations? Do mean specific ones or do you mean that you would get different ones for the subclass?
@@thebohemian814 Also what items are only for wizards and not for warlocks. Almost all of the magic items for wizards can be used for warlocks anyways lol.
I have never heard of you before but after listening to that I will certainly look forward to watching more videos you make
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Am I the only one thiking shadowfell is very underrepresented?
well shadowfell is like a 14 year old emo kid
Check Ulraunt's Guide to the Shadowfeel on DMsGuild
Didn't the shadowfell keep one of the floating cities alive?
Probably because Shadowfell is new, relatively speaking.
I really want to personally thank Mediogre at Best, i just feel this series wouldnt be the same without him being that one last iconic name at the end of the videos
Nice story tie ins. Looking forward to planning a future campaign around the vestige. I also need to watch the hag videos!
Man your vídeos are so amazing please keep posting this lore vídeos
Wait, the notes that Karsus made where "cast to the ends of the universe?"
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Isn't that where the Aboleths came from? Because that would explain some things...
Perhaps they are the children of his vestige
I have never in my life played D&D but i find these videos pretty neat
Outstanding video!
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So I planned on making a wizard with the goal of breaking the spell cap. But by the end of this I may rethink it and be warlock. Or maybe both.
You can do it, you need to cast a 10th level shapechange, and make the duration permanent, so you can turn into a CR creature 1 above your level. turn into a solar and get the infinity spindle. which is an artifact that turns you into a demigod. Now your a demigod solar wizard. next get enough devout followers in order to turn into a god.
@@lebanemcarl68 the fact there is a formula for this scares me
@@clayxros576 I made it myself after learning about the infinity spindle.
@@lebanemcarl68 Now, how can i get to cast a 10th level spell? That is above the spellcap which we want to break in the first place.
Zaifir You can do a wish circle; in which everyone on the outside powers the center caster’s wish with a wish of their own. The center caster then carefully states “I wish to cast the 10th level spell ______”
This needs and update after bg3
Amazing video, actually learned something new about something I thought I knew all about!!
Love these, keep up the great work!
The good thing about integers is that they go on forever-- so I can't wait for your video, "What they don't tell you about 99th level spells"
But there hasn't been any 13th level magic let alone 99th level. God what would 99th level spells even do? Effect the real world?
@@Atroxian626 that would be 24'th level 99'th would destroy the metaverse
@@Atroxian626 Thanos snap would be 13th level Omni-magic spell
Power Stone - Evocation
Space Stone - Abjuration
Reality Stone - Illusion
Soul Stone - Necromancy
Time Stone - Transmutation
Mind Stone - Divination
@@lucasmaloneywordsmith8661 Transmutation isn't time magic though.
Wouldn't that just be stabbing the DM and taking his place?
That's a big hot spicy kentucky fried oof right there
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One of the best yet, love your vids