@@pincopallino7443 yes I know. They are mentioned in the video but not spotlighted. There are also other things in the epic book stronger than hecatoncheires. And you can add templates to anything, making them even stronger, for instance, adding the paragon template to well, anything, including hecatoncheires, and/prismatic and force dragons.
If you use the Rokugan splatbooks, you can make a fighter with that many attacks relatively easily at level 12 or so... you need to be a phoenix clan character with their special feat that basically gives you +4 void points plus +1 for every time you take that feat and for very level you have, which quickly gets silly... they have this kata that culminates in "for the next 15 minutes, you can choose to make X numbers of attacks with your maximum attack bonus, where X is the total number of void points you have." You end up exhausted and can't do anything else for 1 minute afterwards, but few things are gonna survive 25+ attacks done at your maximum attack bonus anyway, specially if you built your character right and you get all those cumulative +2 and +4 void bonuses to attack, anyway.
Yeah, if a god doesn't want to get killed by one it should just polymorph into a Will-o'-Wisp. They're tiny, resistant or immune to most attacks, and can move 100 ft./round if they use the Dash action.
"Lets put greatest threat to Gods into ultimate God killing simulator and give him a eons of practice" For infinitely wise and powerful creatures that was rather stupid plan.
Gods in D&D are pretty stupid. Tharizdun used to be neutral until he got a brain aneurysm and literally created Planar Herpes: The Race (Demons) out of sheer stupidity (listening to inter dimensional creatures called Obyrith whom, he knew, had devoured all of existence in a previous cycle, including Gods). DnD Gods *are* existence threateningly stupid, almost to the point of elves, only worse because they have more power and responsibility.
TheBayzent This is why I feel overgods like Ao are unsung heroes for their region(s) of the multiverse. They basically have to be the responsible parent in a house full of nuclear powered kids
@@sanddry738 lol it looks like that because the authors write the deities terribly... these guys have 40 or 50 for both Intellect and Wisdom, there is no way they would be doing all the shenanigans the authors need them to be doing. It's the stupid comic book villain paradigm, only in case of D&D you have a stat block to *prove* the character would never ever be that stupid.
DM: Well you all failed your saving throw, so you all die upon seeing the Dream Larvae The party: aw man we just became lvl 27... Me: Wait I'm not dead then DM: What do you mean? It's an instant kill. Me: I'm Blind 😎
If the story is about the awakening of a great old one, then the story will follow the adventures of Jimbob the Barbarian who lived during that time. Not his father. Not his grandfather. Not his child or grandchild. *Him.* The guy who fought Humbaba and won.
The Umbral Blot feels like you could do a big surprise long term campaign where the Blot just uses wizards for the goal of a bunch of chaotic evil destruction and use it as the final boss with some set up to make damn sure the party can actually fight it.
Step one 1. Have a lich with no/minimal minions but an " orb of annihilation." Step 2. Let party steamroll the squishy lich which needs meat shields to be effective against level 20 party Step 3. Right as the party starts to celebrate their easy Victory over the BBEG, reveal the umbral blot as the true final boss
@@agentchaos9332 Umbral Blot immediately annihilates the nearest party member. Anyone trying to escape via teleportation or plane shift finds that the Umbral Blot has appeared directly behind them, and they are annihilated in turn.
@@Genericusername1004 That's why I normally change their stats from what the book calls for to actually make it fecking terrifying for if/when my parties encounter one.
DM: "The goblin rolls a 37 to hit. He rolled 238 magical piercing damage. He has three attacks and uses his action surge." Player: "B-but...he's only a Goblin." DM: "He's a Goblin that's been chosen by the DM because the bard won't quit trying to screw the Boss while the Rogue is pick pocketing the Paladin who is simultaneously protecting the rogue out of good faith."
There is actually one monster in 3.5e that has a higher CR. Time Dragons from issue 359 of Dragon Magazine. No need to talk about them, but they do hit CR 90 as a Great Wyrm
@Longstem Piper I really expected him to have at the end 'Well actually there is another another monster I haven't mentioned yet, it is is the Time Dragon with a stupid CR of ninety, it is completely pointless and I hate it. All I'll say is that it can travel anywhere in time at will and is therefor undefeatable. Terrible monster. We're done. I hate you all.'
Something that's pretty hilarious is that in actual Greek mythology the gods, the titans, and the primordials are all utterly and completely immortal. So Chronus is still alive, and in some versions of the myth, they reconciled eventually, and Chronus is now Hades vassal, ruling over Elysium.
@@dragon12234 The headache-inducing thing is trying to separate Chronos/Kronos the Titan and Chronos the personification of time, and what exactly the relationship is between those two.
@@benjaminbrockway5998 Oh yeah. Well, we do know that Kronos is also agriculture, all Greek gods, Titans and primordials being personifications of some kind or another
@@benjaminbrockway5998from what i remember is that in some versions Kronos the titan also had time manipulation powers as well, making the distinction even more confusing.
An interesting case is the Lady of Pain from Planescape- a being so powerful (at least, within Sigil) that they refused to ever print any stat sheets for her, since opposing her isn't even HYPOTHETICALLY possible, even for the gods. She even slew the god Aoskar- but not in single combat, simply AT WILL.
Though in the adventure module Die Vecna Die: "the Lady of Pain as a member of the Ancient Brethren, a group of omnipotent beings who predated the multiverse and know the Language Primeval, a magic greater than the gods. In the module, Vecna became a god and entered Sigil by countering the Lady's ban of all gods from the city for a time. He was able to do this because some of the Language Primeval was confided to him by the Serpent, another Ancient Brethren whose magics were as ancient and powerful as her own. After Vecna was defeated, the Lady used the Language Primeval to repair the damage he did to the multiverse by rewriting it, causing the transition from D&D 2E to 3E. "
Ah... you never gamed with a DM that had the Kobolds know adventurers were coming and had been played correctly as tricksters and trappers then. They may not be all that smart but when it comes to trickery and traps they are downright genius... now imagine a band of dozens of devious "play dirty" guys. When my veteran players spot a Kobold trap, they go into slow search mode. Cocky players who run through dungeons like online players usually get TPK'd quickly.
@@commiecat5879 My friends loved my missions. It was only when they invited short-attention-span idiots and-or virtual kids who primarily gamed digitally before the table gaming that things went sideways. It isn't Hero's Quest (dipsh^t hack-n-slash board game). It's Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, actual *role* playing... giant difference.
Dm: ok, so the Goddess of Fertility uses a legendary action to use its *Burgeoning Birth* on Kranthrax. Kranthrax, you are now 9 months pregnant; in 2 rounds you will give birth to a champion of the goddess. Kranthrax: ...but my character is male..!? Dm: and your point is?
@@Chrono_Mitsurugi The DM makes the rules and guides the story, but if the DM pisses me off, all the power of the RNG gods can't stop me from getting up and walking away from the game. As a player I respect the DM, until the point they stop respecting me, or my character ingame.
@@TheKarmak Ah, but that has nothing to do with your character having to obey the rules set down by the DM. Thats just not playing. Even if the DM changes the rules to get you to continue playing, your character now has to obey the new rules. So once again, the DM makes the rules, and the player follows them.
8:08 One thing that drives me a little bonkers about playing D&D is how poorly weights and sizes are understood and handled by the creators. 350,000 pounds! That's only 175 short tons. That's less than the combined weight of three M1 Abrams tanks. We see objects of that weight all the time in our every day lives. Add an extra zero, and now you're up to the weight of a submarine, which feels more right for something animated by god tier magic. Just a mini rant of mine not directed at you, MrR. It shows up all the time in D&D gameplay where the game tries to make you care about actual weights and sizes but then it scales things in the most bizarre and unrealistic ways. As an engineer trying to balance fantasy with the numbers said fantasy wants me to actually care about, it's easy to get sucked out of the immersion.
This tends to be an issue with basically every RPG (hell, Game) that brings actual numbers into things. With D&D it's at least somewhat understandable - you know that this kind of thing has never once even seemed like a priority to anyone allowed within a hundred yards of where any D&D sourcebook has been written. It's much, MUCH more annoying in Sci-Fi games. 40K's a pretty egregious example (apparently the U.S has more durable tanks than the Imperium did at its height) especially because they have to know their fans are the type to have obsessive knowledge of real-world military technology, but they almost get a pass for openly giving fewer fucks about anything than anyone else ever will. Actual Hard Sci-Fi, that tries to take itself relatively seriously and be as realistic as possible within the premise of its setting, though, gets this just as bad just as often. Cthulhutech's super-advanced top of the line fighter jets, from a society with perpetual motion machines and scaled-down Evangelions, couldn't break the sound barrier.
same issue with pokemon. "how much should this 4'7'' diamater ball of solid rock weigh?" "eh, about 661 pounds" im pretty damn sure a boulder the size of golem would weigh several tons
@@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013 The main battle tank of the Imperial Guard was reclaimed from the Dark Age of Technology using a recovered STC core, the Empire barely understands how any of it works, they are lucky they can even build it. It has 150mm of armor which is significantly less than that of the T-72's that famously existed to get blown up by Abrams at any range, but the armor of the Leman Russ is made up of unknown composition. Weapons that can pierce a Leman Russ also bounce off of Terminator armor, the AVs are an abstraction, and we don't even know how powerful the weapons are really. The Bolter which can damage the rear armor of the LR is .75 caliber and fires a HE explosive at similar ballistics as a riffle. The round is only a little smaller than a 30mm grenade launcher's. It's essentially impervious to normal small arms fire (which is not a bolter, despite that being the standard weapon of 7 foot tall super soldiers wearing power armor) and resistant to all normal AT fire from the front. Which is pretty much all you can ask for even in today's military.
The Immortals Handbook Epic Bestiary Volume One (sadly, the only volume ever written) has some absolutely insane entries, topping out at the CR 9721 (not a typo) neutronium golem.
Use a dimension door, strap it to the tarrasque; put a bag of holding inside another bag of holding and say bye-bye This is a broken broken mechanic in my humble opinion.
Yea, when a creature can ignore rolls it loses and that whole ranged magic having an effect of roll a 1d6, 1-5 it fails and 6 it fails but is also cast back at the caster seemed ridiculous before you even get to the 'can't be killed on the plane where it lives only put to sleep'.
@@Eyewarp no, no, he just added a rather minute detail. He means to say that in traditional latin (what people spoke in Gaius Julius Caesar's time), it would be pronounced like "genius lo-kee". (In contrast to using a "ch" sound: "genius lo-chi" or "lossy" as the man in the video pronounces it)
@@revilo3515XD yeah, we have a joke about good ol' kickero in my latin class. (Admittedly, most of Latin sounds better in the Ecclesiastical pronunciation, but that could very well be because that is what we of the modern generation have been introduced to first and more often.)
I'm so happy to see the Epic Tome from 3.5 still getting reviewed in 2020. I loved reading through the monsters in that book, even knowing that I'd never get to run them. They're just so unbelievably dope. Sentient spheres of annihilation? The undead stillborn fetal remnants of Gods? The oldest fey who are to the High Elves what the High Elves are to humans? Yes, yes yes please more of these!
Oh god DMPCs are a lit stick of dynamite. I've used npc story guides but Epic Characters only appear during epic battles as background noise, smashing the horde, whilr the PCs do the real work.
This is why I love 3.5 edition, the imagination there was so over the top that afterwards Wizard didn't had the choice to categorized them as ''non-canon''. MrRhexx are you gonna do videos about Gods? Even if many monsters are bigger and stronger than them, it could be quite fun to know more about them and to classified them.
Mr. Whistler It’s not so much that these aren’t cannon, it’s that most of these monsters aren’t native to the forgotten realms. Rather they are native to Greyhawk, the very first D&D setting. It’s no longer the primary setting for D&D but it was for 1st and 3rd edition.
@@Kingdomkey123678 Thank you for correcting me. My point was that this kind of over the top monsters won't probably be found in present and future editions of D&D because those mostly focus now on 1-20 level adventures for a wider and more mainstream (not in a negative way) player base. 3.5 had this possibility to go nuts with character creation partially because monster's creators were doing the same with the monsters they made. And that is why I liked so much that edition. But again, thank you for precising the differents world settings, as it is in fact the true reason (mine was mostly comedic).
I tossed a Hecatoncheires in one one of my epic level campaigns as a final boss fight pf the campaign, there is one blaring weakness they have that most people likely wouldn't think about but one of my players did, the stat bloc in the epic level handbook for one doesn't say anything about them not needing to breathe, so one of my players tricked it into a force wall cage they setup and then drowned it by opening a gate to the elemental plain of water, the uber epic god killing monster that is the Hecatoncheires can be drowned
There are a couple of problems with that actually. 1) Using a forcecage/wall of force to trap Hecatoncheires - forcecage has 2 versions, 20 feet barred cage (through which the water would flow and do nothing to the Hecatoncheires except making it wet) and 10 feet windowless cell that could keep the water inside, however according to the description "Creatures within the area are caught and contained unless they are too big to fit inside, in which case the spell automatically fails", a Hecatoncheires is huge size which is 16-32 feet. In either case it couldn't be used to drown a Hecatoncheires. If wall of force is used instead - you'd need to cast it 20-80 times to make an unroofed box which could contain a Hecatoncheires (at which point it could use fly to get out) or 24-96 times to completely encase it, which would require 24-96 casters and it would last a maximum of caster level combat rounds (Concentration check to maintain). 2) Opening a gate to elemental plane of water - according to forcecage description "Teleportation and other forms of astral travel provide a means of escape, but the force walls or bars extend into the Ethereal Plane, blocking ethereal travel.", you can't open a gate from the elemental water plane into the forcecage. Same problem applies with wall of force as well. 3) Drowning a Hecatoncheires - a Hecatoncheires is an abomination. What does that tell us about them needing to breathe? "All abominations are born directly (or indirectly) from a god and some lesser creature (or idea), but none are favored, wanted, or loved. Still, they all share a tiny spark of deific energy, which grants them the qualities described in below. (Note: deity rules are used, abominations are rank 0 deities.)" "All deities (even those of rank 0) are naturally immortal and cannot die from natural causes. Deities do not age, and they do not need to eat, sleep, or breathe." Hecatoncheires doesn't need to breathe even if the stat block doesn't mention it and therefore couldn't drown. The Zombie stat block for example doesn't say anything about them being healed by negative energy, but they are due to being undead. 4) Even if you manage to trap the Hecatoncheires and manage to submerge it in water and ignore the fact that it doesn't need to breathe, then it can still for example summon another Hecatoncheires to kill the party, while the suffocation rules state "A character who has no air to breathe can hold her breath for 2 rounds per point of Constitution. After this period of time, the character must make a DC 10 Constitution check in order to continue holding her breath. The save must be repeated each round, with the DC increasing by +1 for each previous success.", so a Hecatoncheires with a Con of 32 could hold its breath for a minimum of 64 combat rounds. If I was DMing the party would be very, very dead.
"The Tarrasque is about to attack you, and you are a mere 15th level wizard. What are your last..." "I cast teleport to the elemental plane of fire and spend five minutes flying straight up. Then I use my gate scroll to summon it." "Fuck... The Tarrasque falls 6000 feet and lands in a lava pit... God damnit."
@@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63 According to 5E, teleport (lvl 7 spell) only teleports you to a known location within the same plane of existence. Also Gate (lvl 9 spell) only has an opening of 20 ft in diameter and must be an exact location. If you were flying straight up, for 5 mins, the Tarrasque could have moved for 5 mins in any direction and you would not know its exact location unless another party member communicated that to you in some way.
@@adamchoquette1937 "When you cast this spell, you can speak the name of a specific creature (a pseudonym, title, or nickname doesn't work). If that creature is on a plane other than the one you are on, the portal opens in the named creature's immediate vicinity and draws the creature through it to the nearest unoccupied space on your side of the portal." If it's not named "tarrasque" then I can name it, or use wish to learn or create a name for it. Either way, it doesn't get to save against getting dragged through the portal. If I can't use teleport, then I can use plane shift.
A footnote from my DM logs for my current campaign: "When you absolutely have to kill the party: Eldritch Vampiric Hydra-Headed Ancient Draconic Tarrasque Krakenlich"
@@manuelyausaz2976 My bad, I meant the Prismatic Eldritch Vampiric Hydra-Headed Ancient Draconic Tarrasque *_Behemoth Atropal Ilithid Ultrolothic Aboleth_* Krakenlich Leviathan wearing Power Armour.... that got infected with Coronavirus XD
Or, you know, just have a thief steal the party's loot while they're sleeping, and also slip some of the stolen loot on someone's clothes, like a few coins. It works best when they already mistrust one another.
@@frankzaffuto3670 Sure, something personal to a player will work, but you'd be surprised how mad some people will get for having their loot stolen, I've even done that with boots.
Zeitgeist is the single most overlooked adventure path I've ever seen and the best I've ever done. So glad to see artwork from that masterful campaign (4:00)!
Who would win in a fight: A perfect child of the Gods, made in their image with power to rival, if not outright trump, their own... Or a tree with a buncha swords?
Freya's also a war goddess (If I remember right), and one of her rage moments was extreme enough to unsettle *Thor*, so I'd say she's more of an exception than anything.
@@winsonzhu4427 actually, goddesses that simultaneously govern both fertility and war are fairly normal IRL. See Ishtar for another example. Other deities with the domains of fertility and war include Sobek, Jiutian Xuannu, Shaushka, and others. Also common domains for fertility deities are the expected harvest/agriculture/etc and the perhaps less expected death.
"The CR 33 Iron Colossus is similar to an Iron Golem except that its body is sculpted from 150,000 pounds of pure iron. It weighs around 350,000 pounds." Huh? Where does the other 200,000 pounds come from?
Hmm, iron colossus.... sounds like something a large high level party could be hired to hunt down for a guild of blacksmith that don't want to worry about getting iron for a few generations.
...ooor something you gather the materials to build so you can counter the BBEGs own allied Xixical that's coming to destroy the kingdom in a D&D kaiju battle.
@@benjamingrissom1828 make a bbeg that can teleport and instakill the characters at any moment and promisses to do that to the characters, so the party has to stay on an anti magic field perpetually, they eventually decide to build their own walking anti magic field so they can leave the city without dying, as soon as they leave the city the bbeg teleports to kill them, only for all of his abilities to fail
I really liked the idea of the Hecatonchiries, but didn't want to throw a totally unreasonable challenge into my game, so I played around with the concept in my personal campaign setting. The gods of my world had a chained Hecatonchiries, leftover from the conflicts that created the universe. They carved off a piece of it and molded it into an assassin to send against a mad war god that had grown too powerful and was fixing to end the world in a massive magical war. The assassin killed the war god, but instead of returning the God's portfolio to the pantheon to be redistributed, it ripped it apart and cast it into the mortal world. A century later, new godlings are rising up from the places where the war god's power fell, and the assassin has manipulated my players into helping it break into the prison where the rest of the Hecatonchiries' body is, and carve off the rest of the arms and heads. Now there's a small army of Hecatonchirion spawn rolling across the country slaying gods, new and old alike. With the combined post-magical-nuclear-war setting and the literal Ragnarok happening, I've got my party playing apocalypse bingo.
@@quantumcroissant7870 It's not really brought up as a stat block or anything, just as a general comment when talking about how hard a god would be to fight. See around 16:00.
Always thought that the Terrasque was the be all end all most terrifying monster ... Needing so many things and having someone that needs 'Wish' When I learned about playing DnD ...back in the day...I became terrified of this thing. Then I learned aboot the 'Lady of Pain'
@@lebanemcarl68 The first six, Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Hera, and Hestia were the children of the titan Kronos. Zeus killed Kronos and then the six filled out a pantheon and ruled over mortals. Yes, there was a lot of incest. Edit: I forgot Demeter.
Lorgar64 Well they are gods, so I don’t think there would be any genetic problems. In Greek mythology some god could cooom on dirt and it would make a monster.
@@lebanemcarl68 that actually happened. Hephaestus attempted to rape Athena, came on her leg, she wiped it off and the cum landed on the ground which got fertilized and spawned a baby
In the forgotten volumes of the Dragon magazine there exists an even more powerful Dragon - The Time Dragon. Great Wyrm Time Dragon has a CR higher than Prismatic or Force Dragons.
It's only in 2nd e, but the Stellar Dragon & Great Dreamer from Spelljammer were freaking OP...the Stellar Dragon has a 'Sphere of Annihilation breath weapon' on a solar system scale. The Great Dreamer is a a three-eyed space whale the size of a planet.
can someone tell the name of the book, pls? i'm looking for strong monsters. Also, if anyone send me the thames of those books that appears cronus and the beyond 50CR monsters, i would be grateful.
@@ricardomoreira2936 Many of the video's creatures appear in the Epic Level Handbook of 3.5, Cronus' stats are in the Dragon magazine #375 pag. 63, you can find it in the Internet Archive.
all this reminds me of is that i had a DM who had a CR 74 monster in their homebrew campaign. we actually managed to kill it with a bomb that completely destroyed everything within a 10 mile sphere of the initial blast. i was flying above it in a plane (artificer DMPC made it) and just barely was safe from the blast.
Go read through the Monsters of Rokugan book, and the various Ravenloft bestiaries and Campaign Settings. I specially love the Ravenloft nanny golem. Basically a porcelain doll turned into a golem to protect the children of nobility from vampires and other pests that are a bit too common in Ravenloft. Sure, it will keep your child SAFE, but its pure nightmare fuel. Reminds me of Bart Simpson's baby bed, the clown Homer made for him.
Serious question: how do we know? Latin was a dead language long before audio recordings existed, so I would be interested in how we can determine how ancient Romans would pronounce words.
@@sick0832 It comes from Latin poetry. By figuring out rhyme schemes, we can see which words rhyme with which. Then from that we can figure out pronunciations.
sick0832 you know, I guarantee I asked my latin teacher this exact question in high school but I don’t remember her answer. I do know that scholars of latin generally consider this to be the case, with pronunciation of “Classical” latin versus “Church” latin, but the reasoning behind it is lost to me. Sorry I couldn’t clarify better! I’ll try and email Magistra McCord sometime and get back to you on this.
@@sick0832 A lot of languages are directly derived from latin and you can get a reasonable idea by comparing sounds from those languages as well as from specific words. For example: the Romand use the 'c' exclusively as a 'k' sound and 'ae' sounded much like 'ai'. The result of this you can still find in the German word 'Kaiser' which is derived from the name 'Ceasar' as this name was adopted by the roman emperors and found its way well into the holy roman empire though the roman church and the Frankish empire. Word for word, lamguage scientists can recustruct large parts of languages.
So.. basically just the generic monsters from the Epic Handbook. In the same Edition, the true D&D deities listed in the book Deities and Demigods have a 'minimum' CR of around ~66 for the lesser deities such as Bahamut. It does not specify their CR but it gives the statement that, 'if forced to use a CR for a deity, a good starting baseline guide would be to take their total HD + divine rank, as a minimum." It also lists the stats for not only the "standard" (I believe Greyhawk, the one with Bahamut, Cuthbert, Pelor and such), but also 3 others for comparisons: the Asgardian, Pharaonic, and Olympian pantheons. In actual gameplay the deities' realistic CRs would be likely significantly higher than this gives you, but the range it does give is something around CR66 to CR87 or so for someone like Moradin or Corellon. However, there are several abilities the deities have which outstrip literally anything normal monsters can throw at them. I can tell you up front that the stats given for Cronus here would not suffice to actually *defeat* one of the actual deities listed in this book, aside from maybe one of the weaker demigods such as Hercules. A true martial deity such as Heironeus would not lose to him, though Cronus is capable of at least damage the deities with his massive weapon strength. The problem more likely is that Cronus simply would not be able to keep up with the Deities' other abilities and would lose by default. But honestly this is not new. Several other sources have claimed to have god-equal or god-killing power monsters and then I look at their stats against the actual deity stats and laugh. Cronus is definitely up there near it, though. The Hecatoncheires ultimately falls into the same trap... their lore says they can, but the actual stats do not bear this out. In particular, the entry for Thor indicates that he could literally one-round a Hecatoncheires, from up to *18 miles* away, by boomerang-throwing Mjolnir at it 4 times, because Thor with Mjolnir is absolutely ridiculous, dealing *64d8+116 = 628* raw physical damage per hit. Not per round, per *hit.* Also, Thor as a Greater Deity always rolls a 20 on attack rolls and always gets the maximum result of any die roll. He still rolls to check if he crits, but other than that everything is counted as a 20. So, he automatically hits the monster 4 times in a row without any special feats, only raw stats, and without using any of his activated deific powers aside from using Alter Size to grow to be 1600 feet tall because why wouldn't he if he were fighting one of these things? Of course, Thor with Mjolnir is an extreme example and even the other martial deities do not come close to his raw output with this weapon unless they were to create similarly-powerful artifact weapons for themselves... but they can certainly do so, especially with the help of someone like Boccob, who can, and I quote: "Create Magic Items: As a deity of magic, Boccob can create any type of magic item." With no GP limitation or stat limitation because he is a Greater Deity. So Boccob can literally clap his hands and create Mjolnir-level artifact weapons as if he were Edward Elric transmuting his arm-blade, and distribute them to all of the deities, if he wants to do so. With such a weapon, Boccob himself could literally slap down a Hecaton with nigh-impunity. The dragons, though, are awesome. I *love* Prismatic and Force dragons. Prismatics are potentially capable of getting to "Beyond Great Wyrm" and truly competing with some deities..... somewhat.
I absolutely agree that the video fails to address the insane power of the forgotten realms gods, just reading the lore of some fights the gods acctually carried out is enough to prove unmistakenly that the monsters listed in the video would fail pathetically in direct combat against a greater deity of the forgotten realms. Even the avatars of the gods during the time of troubles were in reach of all the monsters of this video (Just thinking about the battle between Bane and Torm) Not to mention that Mystra could just undo any construct and theoretically has the power to rob a god of his access to the weave (eventhough it is strictly forbidden for her to do that since Midnight ascended and kind of screwed over the powerbalance for a while with that power) And then theres Ao...
I liked those comparisons and references haha. I don’t know nearly as much about D&D Deities but this was very insightful and put things into perspective. Thanks!
@@ASNS117Zero I only partially agree as there are still references to powers beyond Ao, but I do admit, that he is not exactly comparable with any entity of the realms as he is completly detached from any bounds of that universe.
If you want an actual idea as to the power of a deity in D&D, look at the "Demigid's and Dieties" rulebook. It's for third edition, like Cronus and Hecatoncheires
“What if a god were to put everything they had into making *the best thing?* “ I kinda like the thought of something as powerful as a god trying really hard to make something cool.
Monsters as I see them Genius Loci: Ego from Guardians of the Galaxy 2 Elder Titans: Giant Fallen Angels Dream Larva: Birdbox Monster Umbral Blot: A Fucking self aware Black Hole Iron Colossus: TENGEN TOPPA GURREN LAGAAN Phaethon: The Magma Titan from Hercules on PCP Primal Elemental: ELEMENTAL GODS Xixecal: Regice of Steroids Devastation Vermin: If the 4 Horsemen of the apocalypse where Giant Kaiju Bugs. Cronus: THE DND DOOMSLAYER Hecatoncheires: Read Berserk up to the point where we first see the abyss, basically that. Force/Prismatic Dragons: Dragon Gods
If Titans are extremely smart and close themselves off to contemplate existence, can you confront them with the realization that all moments of happiness only distract them from and magnify the immeasurable loneliness of life and win by induced depression?
"roll a wisdom saving throw" "i rolled an 11" "the titan imparts the meaning of life to you and you are awed by his message. you lose all will to fight him and now want to go talk to your grandma"
I forget if i said this in the last video, and i know they share a lot of similar monsters. But I'd really like to see you do this with planescape's strongest monsters. That or shadowrun would be cool as hell. Like taking in AI's and such.
The strongest named entity in D&D - at least, as far as Realmspace is concerned - would be Ao. For those physically present in Realmspace on the Material plane, it's The Atropal.
I'm curious what CR the mistress of pain would have, she would probably be a minimum of CR 60 since she managed to kill a god with no effort at all, but she would probably be even higher then that as she's one of the few things that doesn't get stats, a thing that doesn't have stats is essentially a thing that can never be defeated unless the narrative calls for it and requires a massive undertaking even then to do.
My personal belief is that the Lady of Pain and beings like her should not have a stat sheet. The Lady of Pain is a pillar of the Multiverse and has not only killed a god with a mere thought, but has also managed to keep all of the gods from the various pantheons from having any true influence in Sigil. If PANTHEONS of gods can't dethrone her, what chance could a party have to even scratch her?
I'd toss an army of Hecatoncheires myself, describing a tree of flesh, made of massive warriors and wizards, towering to the heavens, slinging magic that would make the goddess of magic blush. welding short swords that easily dwarf the mightiest of the titans. cleaving and obliterating everything in its path, you watch this from what appears to be the edge of the world map... roll for initiative…
@Richard Joyce but half the fun of fantasy role-play is throwing off the shackles of adulthood. Also, some people can only learn their lesson when their imaginary self sudden becomes not.
I recently brought Cronus into my game before I saw this video. Using the stats here and from the Dragon Magazine that they appeared in, I made an avatar-like version, CR probably still in the 40's. Someone actually broke into the Carceri prison shortly after Cronus discovered his deception and about to burst forth on his almost inconceivable raging rampage of annihilation. That unknown person actually talked Cronus into having a much greater and long-lasting revenge on the gods, and taught him to internalize his anger (making it somewhat implode into a more concentrated and stable form). The result, a seemingly peaceful Cronus easily broke free of his prison, seemingly retired to a far-off plane that the even the gods were greatly concerned to investigate (namely the Cold Waste from H. P. Lovecraft Kadath lore), and now only has his "avatar" roaming the planes and worlds, with no seeming anger nearly at all. His true power is not in his personal combat stats, but his real ability to erode the dimensional barriers between planes if he wanted to. Imagine the walls between Heaven, Hell, Abyss, Olympus, Hades, Limbo, Elysium, and all the others slowly getting holes in them, which Cronus can control on a small scale, or just have them all springing leaks into each other; and yet, Cronus has not done it yet... the gods are going nuts... merely the thought of this possibly uncontrollable being having that much power... and Cronus having a constant wry-smile on his face... the suspense is killing them, pulling their divine hair out. Meanwhile, I have a man-sized Cronus soaking in a hot-tube in a Norse mead-hall, telling stories, and occasionally letting out a secret or two!
So as for diefic challenge ratings, I seem to remember in either 3.0 or 3.5 that all dieties had 20 levels of outsider and 40 class levels... So they would all be in the 50-60 CR range as well
I'm SOOOO happy you added the Hecatoncheires to this list. So many people have never heard of it and a DM of mine in the past ended one of our campaigns utilizing it. It was epic and unforgettable! Thing is an absolute monster and I always default to that when it comes to scariest beast. I'm less afraid of a Tarrasque than that thing!
What about some elder evils like Pandorym or Atropus, I guess their true CR isn’t really stated because they are usually fragmented, but those are some powerhouses
Prismatic dragons are my favourite. I have a prismatic dragon NPC who is the sponsor of my adventurers, unbeknownst to them of course. They have the perfect blend of aloofness to mortal minds and interest in mortal life, to make them a nice pillar and anchor to slip between campaigns and even subsume other NPCs roles, giving a bit of agency from me to guide the party in certain directions if they are lost with a familiar yet mysterious face, while not having to have the world itself bend to funnel them towards something.
Boblin the Goblin, goes by Grundle Grub Esquire in my game and sells jars of rat shit potions like a snake oil salesman in our game, and yes he is the worlds strongest monster.
I've always heard loci pronounced "low kai" which makes sense as it is a root term for words like locate and locus, other words that have to do with place. Having said that I'm aware there's not a ton of consensus on how c is pronounced in ancient Latin, but "lossy" just sounds wrong.
loci is actually the genitve form of latin locus that means place. so Genius Loci means "Spritit of the place". it is pronounced "lochi" (like in tai chi)
9:00 Fun fact, at 350 000 pounds and over 80 feet tall (about 160 000 kg and 25 metres), an iron colossal is hilariously disproportional. If you take a normal man at around 180 cm or 6 feet weighing about 80 kg or about 180 lbs as you model and scale him up to 80 feet or 25 metres tall while keeping the same proportions, you end up with a man weighing in at around 200 000 kg or 440 000 lbs. Quite a bit more than the weight of an iron colossal of the same height. That means there are two possible explanations. Iron colossals are either thin and slim or they're hollow enough to float. That, or the person who created their entry made a serious calculation error.
They lack around 90,000 Lbs of water-weight. That isn't a calculation error, since no liquids are used or required in the creation and running of a golem. And largely they are otherwise hollow inside (or contain dead space) which is noted from the skill required to make them: an Armoursmithing or Weaponsmithing check.
@@jordonsnowdy8062 I don't think requiring an armoursmithing or weaponsmithing check is evidence that iron colossals are hollow. It just means you need to have some knowledge about how to structure iron in order to make it strong enough, hollow or not. I don't see how it would be evidence that they're hollow at all.
@@DirtyPoul If all it required was knowledge about how to structure iron, Blacksmithing would be on that list since it's an applicable trade in 3.x, but it isn't. Even Locksmithing should also qualify, all things considered - but it does not either. As well, given how the crafting rules work, it takes around 570 weeks to craft an Iron Colossus (assuming that the crafter or crafters can each achieve the DC 42 check exactly every week), which uses 1,005,000 Lbs of iron (iron costs 1sp per 1Lb). This however, is cut down to just 350,000 Lbs. as per the description of the Iron Colossus. The weight of an M1A1 Abrams main battle tank is 67.6 tons or 135,000 lbs and uses materials far denser than iron in its construction, and is about 32ftx12ftx8ft in dimensions; two end to end is about 64 feet, and half of one is 80 feet. Colossal (tall) creatures occupy (traditionally) a 40ftx40ft area, so it's safe to assume that a creature fills in physically half the space for footing, or 20ft. So considering that two and a half Abrams have both internal space and denser materials as well as a narrower profile, then a colossal suit of armour roughly the same height is the abrams' length (but thicker and wider) also has internal space.
Bone/tissue/water and metal are not the same density so the scaling analogy doesn’t really work. And on top of that entirely possible that the colossus could be hollow like you mentioned
26:34 AJ Pickett's video about force and prismatic dragons describes the prismatic dragon as a draconic version of Zaphod Beeblebrox from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and a prismatic dragon that lives near a humanoid settlement would be like a fraggle from Fraggle Rock, with the inhabitants of the town or city being like the Doozers. EDIT: I recommend looking up the Time Dragon from 3.5e... It'll blow your mind.
Wooper is our lord and savior But if the entire earth-Chan was one of those things, remember that they can only control *one* entity at one time. In the DnD world, people are limited in power and don’t have nukes at their disposal (see also the maximum of 9th level spells)
Before all things existed or could exist, existence needed to be contained. That which contained existence was the first Dungeon. The Dungeon could not be empty, so the first thing within the Dungeon was the Dragon. From these first things all others followed.
CR is specifically combat, this means it only take into account number of spells, attack output, health, and AC. If you think about it there are creatures who can cast wish and the wish spell is literally as powerful as the DM says. But since wish dosnt automatically do damage it isn't taken into account in the CR even though you could wish for someone to take damage. So yeah CR is kinda dumb Edit: I know that wish has its limits
I would love to see you tackle other campaign settings in D&D like you dabbled with in this video. No one does a better job of finding and communicating every single piece of lore about something than you do. Forgotten Realms is obviously the setting Wizards has decided to stick with for 5e, but D&D has such a rich history of other settings that it's a shame that newer players (like myself) are totally locked out of them. Greyhawk and Dark Sun are the ones I particularly would like to play in. Or Planescape. There's so much potential, and you could really inspire some great interest by delving into these other places with your level of care and detail.
I know of 1 creature more powerful than any of these. Usually he/she is called "The DM". The DM can take many forms, has access to all spells, abilities, feats, and knowledge. If The DM decides something is going to happen, it happens, and there is no limit to their health, or power unless they want to put a limit on themselves. They exist in all realms, but most of the inhabitants of the realms do not know they exist, not even the gods. The DMs that are good in nature prefer to let the world run its course, and let things happen as they happen. The ones that are bad like to abuse their power, and manipulate the world to be how they want it to be.
Even more powerful are the entities known as players. These entities often take on an avatar, which while physically weak, has the uncanny power to destroy all of the DMs plans with little effort.
even more powerful are the creatures known as DM's parents, for they can banish the DM and his friends from the basement to the "outside" where all DM's ambitions come to a swift end
@@tzviru Yes, but their power is fleeting. As the DM grows, the DM will learn to venture out in search of a new den to house games with out the interference of the parents.
The Lady of Pain is the most powerful creature in D&D. She is so powerful, she's actually never been statted - if you fight her in Sigil, you lose, and she never leaves Sigil. That is all.
Yeah, she's pretty much like one of the stronger beings from Exalted: DM: "Roll for ini... haha just kidding you're impaled on a tower of spikes made out of your own body. You lose."
She can't leave. Or so they say. But gods can't enter Sigil so we don't know how powerful she actually is. If she's a God how did she get into Sigil? Also AFAIK gods grant spells and need worshipers and prayers or they die and end up as a god corpse on the astral plane. I think this proves she's not a god. Anyone that prays to her she kills mazes.
Her avatar would probably be around 40-50, considering her world eating tendencies and ability to create powerful spawn. Her actual self would be impossible to tell, considering how alien she is and how little we know about her.
It's not offical, but I bookmarked this epic update pdf with epic homebrewed monsters, including a CR 37 Emrakul: drive.google.com/file/d/11Q_RBb9pbre3be9wo3b3_h8xRIobqb28/view
"The Dragon" from Athas (Dark Sun) has been stated out for 2e and 4e (that I know of) and it's up there with godlike creatures. Not sure where it'd fit within 3/3.5e or 5e...I think it's just fan made material for those editions.
@MrRhexx I remember when this video came out. I was in a very bad spot and I spent a lot of time watching through all your videos, which really helped a lot. During the worst period I had this video came out, and seeing it pop up in my recommended again just made me realize how far I’ve come in these seven months. So thank you, a lot
I always love the " we arnt sure 1 exists but its possible" foes of lore thanks, the Genius loci is almost the last part for my campaign, just need a species for a non evil druid litch who succeeds in making a Genius loci plane. just need a species suitable.
![The Strongest Gods in D&D Ranked by Power [Greater Deities]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/lCK_f9TgotM/mqdefault.jpg)
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Genius Loci - 1:40
Elder Titans - 3:25
Dream Larva - 5:18
Umbral Blot - 6:45
Iron Colossus - 7:43
Phaethon - 9:30
Primal Elementals - 10:45
Xixecal - 11:47
Devastation Vermin - 13:29
Cronus - 16:55
Hecatoncheires - 19:55
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If you look in the epic level handbook, there are things stronger than hecatoncheires, and that doesn't include adding epic templates...
@@nightfall89z62 Force dragons and prismatic dragons are stronger than hecatoncheires.
@@pincopallino7443 yes I know. They are mentioned in the video but not spotlighted. There are also other things in the epic book stronger than hecatoncheires. And you can add templates to anything, making them even stronger, for instance, adding the paragon template to well, anything, including hecatoncheires, and/prismatic and force dragons.
Chronus: Darkvision 60'
So the god ravager, scourge of the cosmos, a deities nightmare... can't see past his shins in the dark?
It's 60 feet out from his SPACE. So he can see past his shins just fine, and out to 60 feet past his feet xP
@@ChrissieBear You're right. Sometimes I'll stick my feet out so I can see better.
@@ChrissieBear still can barely see shit
@@jerubaal101 He's a godkiller. Who are you to say he can't see with his feet? xD
@@jerubaal101 *ANGRILY FIXES BOWTIE* listen here you little shit
I love that the strongest thing in D&D history is basically just a Fighter with 100 Attacks per round lol.
If you use the Rokugan splatbooks, you can make a fighter with that many attacks relatively easily at level 12 or so... you need to be a phoenix clan character with their special feat that basically gives you +4 void points plus +1 for every time you take that feat and for very level you have, which quickly gets silly... they have this kata that culminates in "for the next 15 minutes, you can choose to make X numbers of attacks with your maximum attack bonus, where X is the total number of void points you have." You end up exhausted and can't do anything else for 1 minute afterwards, but few things are gonna survive 25+ attacks done at your maximum attack bonus anyway, specially if you built your character right and you get all those cumulative +2 and +4 void bonuses to attack, anyway.
Nah. Sorcerer-Warlock with like, 100 Eldritch Blasts per round x Sorceror points.
@@M4gl4d Kio-ken from dbz
What about the prismatic dragon?
Christian E. Y. ... just gonna put that here for future reference
"The Hecatoncheires can only attack a a small creature up to 10 times"
Dongo the Gnome Fighter: Pathetic
level 20 bug be like
Yeah, if a god doesn't want to get killed by one it should just polymorph into a Will-o'-Wisp. They're tiny, resistant or immune to most attacks, and can move 100 ft./round if they use the Dash action.
Laughing in pixie barbarian
Lol
You keep forgetting that each of those attacks inflicts a minimum of 100 damage.
"Lets put greatest threat to Gods into ultimate God killing simulator and give him a eons of practice"
For infinitely wise and powerful creatures that was rather stupid plan.
Gods in D&D are pretty stupid. Tharizdun used to be neutral until he got a brain aneurysm and literally created Planar Herpes: The Race (Demons) out of sheer stupidity (listening to inter dimensional creatures called Obyrith whom, he knew, had devoured all of existence in a previous cycle, including Gods).
DnD Gods *are* existence threateningly stupid, almost to the point of elves, only worse because they have more power and responsibility.
That's a more realistic way to create Kratos.
Even the last monster is nothing compared to a level 1 overdeity, like Lord Ao or The Lady Of Pain.
TheBayzent This is why I feel overgods like Ao are unsung heroes for their region(s) of the multiverse. They basically have to be the responsible parent in a house full of nuclear powered kids
@@sanddry738 lol it looks like that because the authors write the deities terribly... these guys have 40 or 50 for both Intellect and Wisdom, there is no way they would be doing all the shenanigans the authors need them to be doing. It's the stupid comic book villain paradigm, only in case of D&D you have a stat block to *prove* the character would never ever be that stupid.
DM: Well you all failed your saving throw, so you all die upon seeing the Dream Larvae
The party: aw man we just became lvl 27...
Me: Wait I'm not dead then
DM: What do you mean? It's an instant kill.
Me: I'm Blind 😎
Got em!
Nice
Oof
That's a sick idea for a character. Blind person and tsundere Dream Larvae.
I've been wanting to make a deaf monk for shenanigans like this.
Love how the "appear only some thousand >>AEONS
If the story is about the awakening of a great old one, then the story will follow the adventures of Jimbob the Barbarian who lived during that time.
Not his father. Not his grandfather. Not his child or grandchild. *Him.* The guy who fought Humbaba and won.
The Umbral Blot feels like you could do a big surprise long term campaign where the Blot just uses wizards for the goal of a bunch of chaotic evil destruction and use it as the final boss with some set up to make damn sure the party can actually fight it.
Step one 1. Have a lich with no/minimal minions but an " orb of annihilation."
Step 2. Let party steamroll the squishy lich which needs meat shields to be effective against level 20 party
Step 3. Right as the party starts to celebrate their easy Victory over the BBEG, reveal the umbral blot as the true final boss
@@agentchaos9332 Umbral Blot immediately annihilates the nearest party member. Anyone trying to escape via teleportation or plane shift finds that the Umbral Blot has appeared directly behind them, and they are annihilated in turn.
I feel that if these monsters came to 5e they would be nerfed to all hell like the demon lords or the arch devils
Decoby Jones Considering how powerful players can get in 5e it's a shame there's no hyper powerful monsters. The 5e tarrasque is pretty disappointing
Homebrew is always an option.
@@Genericusername1004 just add your homebrew
@@Genericusername1004 That's why I normally change their stats from what the book calls for to actually make it fecking terrifying for if/when my parties encounter one.
@@Genericusername1004 Add Half-Silver Dragon Template to the Tarrasque. Turn 1, Paralyzing Breath. Turn 2, 5 Melee Attacks.
false. the strongest and most dangerous monster is a jaded, pissed off DM
we call those types the mistress of pain
or bitches. xD
DM: "The goblin rolls a 37 to hit. He rolled 238 magical piercing damage. He has three attacks and uses his action surge."
Player: "B-but...he's only a Goblin."
DM: "He's a Goblin that's been chosen by the DM because the bard won't quit trying to screw the Boss while the Rogue is pick pocketing the Paladin who is simultaneously protecting the rogue out of good faith."
The dm is like a cr ♾
“The small kobold Summons a giant meteor from the heavens crashing into you and dealing *rolls about 50 dice* 322 damage
There is actually one monster in 3.5e that has a higher CR. Time Dragons from issue 359 of Dragon Magazine. No need to talk about them, but they do hit CR 90 as a Great Wyrm
How many great Wyrms are there
@@Silentrichy77 I don't think the article specifies.
Yep, the one you’re talking about is the Great Wyrm Time Dragon, which is indeed Cr 90.
@Longstem Piper I really expected him to have at the end
'Well actually there is another another monster I haven't mentioned yet, it is is the Time Dragon with a stupid CR of ninety, it is completely pointless and I hate it. All I'll say is that it can travel anywhere in time at will and is therefor undefeatable. Terrible monster. We're done. I hate you all.'
@Caggin28 Yup and with a 99HD!
Jokes on the Hecaton and the gods, Kronus has spent his time basically training in the dragonball time chamber.
Something that's pretty hilarious is that in actual Greek mythology the gods, the titans, and the primordials are all utterly and completely immortal. So Chronus is still alive, and in some versions of the myth, they reconciled eventually, and Chronus is now Hades vassal, ruling over Elysium.
@@dragon12234 The headache-inducing thing is trying to separate Chronos/Kronos the Titan and Chronos the personification of time, and what exactly the relationship is between those two.
@@benjaminbrockway5998 Oh yeah. Well, we do know that Kronos is also agriculture, all Greek gods, Titans and primordials being personifications of some kind or another
@@benjaminbrockway5998from what i remember is that in some versions Kronos the titan also had time manipulation powers as well, making the distinction even more confusing.
@@TimeyWimey. No, Kronos the titan never had time manipolation powers, that's some modern bullshit.
An interesting case is the Lady of Pain from Planescape- a being so powerful (at least, within Sigil) that they refused to ever print any stat sheets for her, since opposing her isn't even HYPOTHETICALLY possible, even for the gods. She even slew the god Aoskar- but not in single combat, simply AT WILL.
Gods have abilities specifically to deal with mortals, I think
Though in the adventure module Die Vecna Die: "the Lady of Pain as a member of the Ancient Brethren, a group of omnipotent beings who predated the multiverse and know the Language Primeval, a magic greater than the gods. In the module, Vecna became a god and entered Sigil by countering the Lady's ban of all gods from the city for a time. He was able to do this because some of the Language Primeval was confided to him by the Serpent, another Ancient Brethren whose magics were as ancient and powerful as her own. After Vecna was defeated, the Lady used the Language Primeval to repair the damage he did to the multiverse by rewriting it, causing the transition from D&D 2E to 3E. "
#Facts #RealTalk #IfYouKnowYouKnow #Powerful
@@Wylkus42 neat
@@Wylkus42 this is actually metal af.
I love how the god that came up with the plan to defeat Cronus was the kobold god. XD
*The Trickster*
Ah... you never gamed with a DM that had the Kobolds know adventurers were coming and had been played correctly as tricksters and trappers then. They may not be all that smart but when it comes to trickery and traps they are downright genius... now imagine a band of dozens of devious "play dirty" guys. When my veteran players spot a Kobold trap, they go into slow search mode. Cocky players who run through dungeons like online players usually get TPK'd quickly.
@@That80sGuy1972 because nothing says fun like wasting your friends time
@@commiecat5879 My friends loved my missions. It was only when they invited short-attention-span idiots and-or virtual kids who primarily gamed digitally before the table gaming that things went sideways. It isn't Hero's Quest (dipsh^t hack-n-slash board game). It's Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, actual *role* playing... giant difference.
Everything has its uses, even trash was useful at one point
Dm: ok, so the Goddess of Fertility uses a legendary action to use its *Burgeoning Birth* on Kranthrax. Kranthrax, you are now 9 months pregnant; in 2 rounds you will give birth to a champion of the goddess.
Kranthrax: ...but my character is male..!?
Dm: and your point is?
Player: I cast abortion. At lvl 12.
DM: But you're a fighter, you can't use magic! And lvl 12 spells can't even be cast!
player: And your point is?
@@TheKarmak
....that doesn't work. A player has to follow the rules. The DM, makes the rules.
I mean you could just Achieve the same effect by Attacking your own stomach, no?
@@Chrono_Mitsurugi The DM makes the rules and guides the story, but if the DM pisses me off, all the power of the RNG gods can't stop me from getting up and walking away from the game. As a player I respect the DM, until the point they stop respecting me, or my character ingame.
@@TheKarmak
Ah, but that has nothing to do with your character having to obey the rules set down by the DM.
Thats just not playing.
Even if the DM changes the rules to get you to continue playing, your character now has to obey the new rules.
So once again, the DM makes the rules, and the player follows them.
I'm surprised I never learned that about Kurtulmak before, considering I'm somewhat of a kobold fanatic.
You should be able to find 3.5 race of dragon splatbooks. The section about Kobolds delve quite a bit in their culture and is very interesting.
Lady of Pain
CR Level: *D O N T*
8:08 One thing that drives me a little bonkers about playing D&D is how poorly weights and sizes are understood and handled by the creators. 350,000 pounds! That's only 175 short tons. That's less than the combined weight of three M1 Abrams tanks. We see objects of that weight all the time in our every day lives. Add an extra zero, and now you're up to the weight of a submarine, which feels more right for something animated by god tier magic.
Just a mini rant of mine not directed at you, MrR. It shows up all the time in D&D gameplay where the game tries to make you care about actual weights and sizes but then it scales things in the most bizarre and unrealistic ways. As an engineer trying to balance fantasy with the numbers said fantasy wants me to actually care about, it's easy to get sucked out of the immersion.
Just consider it's magical kg and they're heavier than normal kg. Like that you can justify everything 😁
This tends to be an issue with basically every RPG (hell, Game) that brings actual numbers into things. With D&D it's at least somewhat understandable - you know that this kind of thing has never once even seemed like a priority to anyone allowed within a hundred yards of where any D&D sourcebook has been written. It's much, MUCH more annoying in Sci-Fi games. 40K's a pretty egregious example (apparently the U.S has more durable tanks than the Imperium did at its height) especially because they have to know their fans are the type to have obsessive knowledge of real-world military technology, but they almost get a pass for openly giving fewer fucks about anything than anyone else ever will. Actual Hard Sci-Fi, that tries to take itself relatively seriously and be as realistic as possible within the premise of its setting, though, gets this just as bad just as often. Cthulhutech's super-advanced top of the line fighter jets, from a society with perpetual motion machines and scaled-down Evangelions, couldn't break the sound barrier.
Good pint. You’re a massive dork for noticing that but good point nonetheless.
same issue with pokemon. "how much should this 4'7'' diamater ball of solid rock weigh?" "eh, about 661 pounds"
im pretty damn sure a boulder the size of golem would weigh several tons
@@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013 The main battle tank of the Imperial Guard was reclaimed from the Dark Age of Technology using a recovered STC core, the Empire barely understands how any of it works, they are lucky they can even build it. It has 150mm of armor which is significantly less than that of the T-72's that famously existed to get blown up by Abrams at any range, but the armor of the Leman Russ is made up of unknown composition. Weapons that can pierce a Leman Russ also bounce off of Terminator armor, the AVs are an abstraction, and we don't even know how powerful the weapons are really. The Bolter which can damage the rear armor of the LR is .75 caliber and fires a HE explosive at similar ballistics as a riffle. The round is only a little smaller than a 30mm grenade launcher's. It's essentially impervious to normal small arms fire (which is not a bolter, despite that being the standard weapon of 7 foot tall super soldiers wearing power armor) and resistant to all normal AT fire from the front. Which is pretty much all you can ask for even in today's military.
The Immortals Handbook Epic Bestiary Volume One (sadly, the only volume ever written) has some absolutely insane entries, topping out at the CR 9721 (not a typo) neutronium golem.
That's wacky. I wonder how that would translate into 5e.
I was looking for this comment. I had that as pdf and remembered it while watching this.
@@Grayald Here are its stats:
Large Construct
Hit Dice: 250d1000+1,966,080 (2,216,080 hp)
Initiative: +79
Speed: Fly 5,901,426,338 ft. (perfect) (1,180,285,267 squares)
Armor Class: 932 (-1 size, -1 Dex, +80 gravitic mastery, +844 natural),
touch 88, flat-footed 932
Base Attack/Grapple: +187/+437
Attack: Slam +512 melee (40,960d10+246; average 225,526)
Full Attack: 2 slams +512 melee (40,960d10+246; average 225,526)
Space/Reach: 10 ft./10 ft.
Special Attacks: Gravitic aura, heat aura, pulsed x-ray, starquake
Special Qualities: Accretion, construct traits, damage reduction 1500/-,
darkvision 60 ft., fast healing 1500, gravitic mastery, immunity to magic,
low-light vision, magnetar, superluminal, unearthly construction
Saves: Fort +163, Ref +162, Will +163
Abilities: Str 502 (+246), Dex 9, Con -, Int -, Wis 11, Cha 1
Environment: Outer space
Organization: Solitary, patrol (2-4), or with time lord (DvR 192, 960 HD)
Challenge Rating: 9721
Treasure: None
Alignment: Always neutral
Advancement: 251-353 HD (Large), 354-707 HD (Huge)
Level Adjustment: +17,427 (assuming intelligence/sentience)
Happy converting!
What edition?
kinda makes sense considering a cube of neutron star that is the size of a sugar cube weighs around a ton or two
Daurgothoth (CR 50): I am God!
Time dragon (CR 90): Keep on dreaming, boy.
A tarrasque with a ballon strapped to its back seems pretty unstoppable
What if the balloon is popped?
@@mendaciousphooka it'll blow up a new one
Use a dimension door, strap it to the tarrasque; put a bag of holding inside another bag of holding and say bye-bye This is a broken broken mechanic in my humble opinion.
Yea, when a creature can ignore rolls it loses and that whole ranged magic having an effect of roll a 1d6, 1-5 it fails and 6 it fails but is also cast back at the caster seemed ridiculous before you even get to the 'can't be killed on the plane where it lives only put to sleep'.
The horror 😱
2:20.
It's latin and literally means something like "Spirit of the place"
(And the c gets pronounced as a k)
spirit of the plake?
@@Eyewarp no, no, he just added a rather minute detail. He means to say that in traditional latin (what people spoke in Gaius Julius Caesar's time), it would be pronounced like "genius lo-kee". (In contrast to using a "ch" sound: "genius lo-chi" or "lossy" as the man in the video pronounces it)
It completely ruins Cicero's name ngl
@@revilo3515XD yeah, we have a joke about good ol' kickero in my latin class. (Admittedly, most of Latin sounds better in the Ecclesiastical pronunciation, but that could very well be because that is what we of the modern generation have been introduced to first and more often.)
@@jakemcgovern8633 kickero, always spelling it like that from now til forever haha
CR 90 Great Wyrm Time Dragon: *These guys are cute*
For anyone curious, you can find this bad boy in the Dragon Magazine #359 p. 36
Silver Dragon Holy sh@$
I forgot these guys existed, wow.
Actually, the time dragon is only Cr 22, I know it doesn’t make any sense.
Mythic worm prysmatic dragon CR99: "Shut up time Boiii" www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Mythic_Wyrm_Prismatic_Dragon_(5e_Creature)
God CR100: BRUH www.dandwiki.com/wiki/God_(5e_Creature)
I'm so happy to see the Epic Tome from 3.5 still getting reviewed in 2020. I loved reading through the monsters in that book, even knowing that I'd never get to run them. They're just so unbelievably dope. Sentient spheres of annihilation? The undead stillborn fetal remnants of Gods? The oldest fey who are to the High Elves what the High Elves are to humans? Yes, yes yes please more of these!
What I didn't like is that they seemed to be like Drizzt in steroids with the appearance and the dual wielding blades.
@@Hektols yeah, not a drizzt fan. The books didn't really help. Oh well.
Epic level handbook is 3.0 (honestly 3.0 has the best monster versions with DR at various +X levels to break)
@@zarthemad8386 you're right aren't you? They're pretty much interchangeable, I ran that stuff in 3.5 without issue.
A god of fertility isn’t a good chalenge
Laughs in shubniggurat.
I didn't know Shub-Niggurath was a god of fertility. I would have gone for Azathoth
@@constellationd2020 mother of a thousand young, right? Sounds pretty fertile to me.
so strong its got an n word pass
@@constellationd2020 nah azathoth is the creator god. He's more like the one above all or something like that
Or just picture a world where the god of fertility just gave up. Nothing is born anymore.
I couldn't stop laughing at the idea of the Hecatonkeries being made and the gods just going:
"NOPE. PUT THAT IN A CAGE AND BURY IT. WE FUCKED UP."
Kind of like with a nukes
That is literally what happened to them in the original myths as well. ^^
DMPCs: allow me to introduce myself
Shero they wouldn’t ask though
Oh god DMPCs are a lit stick of dynamite. I've used npc story guides but Epic Characters only appear during epic battles as background noise, smashing the horde, whilr the PCs do the real work.
Shero to be fair, Elminster is the DMPC of Ed Greenwood. (the creator of forgotten realms)
@@zoepersonal more Author Insert
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the CR50's in 3e which you seem to be using, had the gods looking at high 90's CR. The gods from that deities book were pretty well overpowered.
This is why I love 3.5 edition, the imagination there was so over the top that afterwards Wizard didn't had the choice to categorized them as ''non-canon''. MrRhexx are you gonna do videos about Gods? Even if many monsters are bigger and stronger than them, it could be quite fun to know more about them and to classified them.
Mr. Whistler
It’s not so much that these aren’t cannon, it’s that most of these monsters aren’t native to the forgotten realms. Rather they are native to Greyhawk, the very first D&D setting. It’s no longer the primary setting for D&D but it was for 1st and 3rd edition.
@@Kingdomkey123678 Thank you for correcting me. My point was that this kind of over the top monsters won't probably be found in present and future editions of D&D because those mostly focus now on 1-20 level adventures for a wider and more mainstream (not in a negative way) player base. 3.5 had this possibility to go nuts with character creation partially because monster's creators were doing the same with the monsters they made. And that is why I liked so much that edition. But again, thank you for precising the differents world settings, as it is in fact the true reason (mine was mostly comedic).
Mr. Whistler I would love to see some god videos too!
@@mr.whistler6114
You didn't need to explain yourself. It IS more mainstream in many bad ways.
Ya know I'm just delightfully surprised to see a 3.5 fan not actively taking every opportunity to shit on 5e, you sir have my respect
Can we take a moment of appreciation for the lack of ads from our benefactor 👌🙌
I was really hoping for a Raid: Shadow Legends plug.
"Ads" such as sponsored advertisements? Or "adds" like "trash mobs"
ALL HAIL MRRHEXX
I dont mind. Mans gotta eat.
Yes, yes we should
If Cronos and Hecatoncheires are THAT powerful in D&D, I would hate to see what TYPHON would be like.
Oh hell no
That would be fun!
..... World eater basically
typhon already exist on 4e, i think it was CR 37
What about Zeus then? Zeus in mythology went batshit and SMASHED A MOUNTAIN onto Typhon and basically sealed him under the mountain.
The Epic Level Handbook was one of the best 3rd edition books written.
That and manual of the plains. Need stuff like that for 5e
I tossed a Hecatoncheires in one one of my epic level campaigns as a final boss fight pf the campaign, there is one blaring weakness they have that most people likely wouldn't think about but one of my players did, the stat bloc in the epic level handbook for one doesn't say anything about them not needing to breathe, so one of my players tricked it into a force wall cage they setup and then drowned it by opening a gate to the elemental plain of water, the uber epic god killing monster that is the Hecatoncheires can be drowned
I think that could be applied to most of these top end creatures.
There are a couple of problems with that actually.
1) Using a forcecage/wall of force to trap Hecatoncheires - forcecage has 2 versions, 20 feet barred cage (through which the water would flow and do nothing to the Hecatoncheires except making it wet) and 10 feet windowless cell that could keep the water inside, however according to the description "Creatures within the area are caught and contained unless they are too big to fit inside, in which case the spell automatically fails", a Hecatoncheires is huge size which is 16-32 feet. In either case it couldn't be used to drown a Hecatoncheires.
If wall of force is used instead - you'd need to cast it 20-80 times to make an unroofed box which could contain a Hecatoncheires (at which point it could use fly to get out) or 24-96 times to completely encase it, which would require 24-96 casters and it would last a maximum of caster level combat rounds (Concentration check to maintain).
2) Opening a gate to elemental plane of water - according to forcecage description "Teleportation and other forms of astral travel provide a means of escape, but the force walls or bars extend into the Ethereal Plane, blocking ethereal travel.", you can't open a gate from the elemental water plane into the forcecage. Same problem applies with wall of force as well.
3) Drowning a Hecatoncheires - a Hecatoncheires is an abomination. What does that tell us about them needing to breathe?
"All abominations are born directly (or indirectly) from a god and some lesser creature (or idea), but none are favored, wanted, or loved. Still, they all share a tiny spark of deific energy, which grants them the qualities described in below. (Note: deity rules are used, abominations are rank 0 deities.)"
"All deities (even those of rank 0) are naturally immortal and cannot die from natural causes. Deities do not age, and they do not need to eat, sleep, or breathe."
Hecatoncheires doesn't need to breathe even if the stat block doesn't mention it and therefore couldn't drown. The Zombie stat block for example doesn't say anything about them being healed by negative energy, but they are due to being undead.
4) Even if you manage to trap the Hecatoncheires and manage to submerge it in water and ignore the fact that it doesn't need to breathe, then it can still for example summon another Hecatoncheires to kill the party, while the suffocation rules state "A character who has no air to breathe can hold her breath for 2 rounds per point of Constitution. After this period of time, the character must make a DC 10 Constitution check in order to continue holding her breath. The save must be repeated each round, with the DC increasing by +1 for each previous success.", so a Hecatoncheires with a Con of 32 could hold its breath for a minimum of 64 combat rounds.
If I was DMing the party would be very, very dead.
"The Tarrasque is about to attack you, and you are a mere 15th level wizard. What are your last..."
"I cast teleport to the elemental plane of fire and spend five minutes flying straight up. Then I use my gate scroll to summon it."
"Fuck... The Tarrasque falls 6000 feet and lands in a lava pit... God damnit."
@@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63
According to 5E, teleport (lvl 7 spell) only teleports you to a known location within the same plane of existence. Also Gate (lvl 9 spell) only has an opening of 20 ft in diameter and must be an exact location. If you were flying straight up, for 5 mins, the Tarrasque could have moved for 5 mins in any direction and you would not know its exact location unless another party member communicated that to you in some way.
@@adamchoquette1937 "When you cast this spell, you can speak the name of a specific creature (a pseudonym, title, or nickname doesn't work). If that creature is on a plane other than the one you are on, the portal opens in the named creature's immediate vicinity and draws the creature through it to the nearest unoccupied space on your side of the portal."
If it's not named "tarrasque" then I can name it, or use wish to learn or create a name for it. Either way, it doesn't get to save against getting dragged through the portal. If I can't use teleport, then I can use plane shift.
A footnote from my DM logs for my current campaign:
"When you absolutely have to kill the party: Eldritch Vampiric Hydra-Headed Ancient Draconic Tarrasque Krakenlich"
NecroarcanistXIII ejem... i think you mispelled it i think it is “Eldritch Vampiric Hydra-Headed Ancient Draconic Tarrasque Ilithid Krakenlich”
@@manuelyausaz2976 My bad, I meant the Prismatic Eldritch Vampiric Hydra-Headed Ancient Draconic Tarrasque *_Behemoth Atropal Ilithid Ultrolothic Aboleth_* Krakenlich Leviathan wearing Power Armour.... that got infected with Coronavirus XD
Or, you know, just have a thief steal the party's loot while they're sleeping, and also slip some of the stolen loot on someone's clothes, like a few coins. It works best when they already mistrust one another.
@@PTDeimos it's gotta be more identifiable than coins, try a ring
@@frankzaffuto3670 Sure, something personal to a player will work, but you'd be surprised how mad some people will get for having their loot stolen, I've even done that with boots.
That huge skeleton with the sword is just legendary
Facts
What's it from?
@@Nick-qf7vt don’t know
Zeitgeist is the single most overlooked adventure path I've ever seen and the best I've ever done. So glad to see artwork from that masterful campaign (4:00)!
"In Greek Mythology, the Hecatoncheires was born from Uranus..."
That must have been one hell of a burrito
really.
I mean they were born from gaia but whatever
My anus or ur's?if its mine add more salsa
@@oscarpine7145 and Dionysus was born from Zeus... Youre right of course but it's not without precedent
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 I'm sorry to be the one to do this. Precedent.
Who would win in a fight:
A perfect child of the Gods, made in their image with power to rival, if not outright trump, their own...
Or a tree with a buncha swords?
At this point it's basically the gods and the far realm beings betting on which of their kids could beat each other up
That is why multiwealding is overpowered.
That’s: not how you: use a colon.
I'm stealing this for my campaign.
It’s kinda confusing cause aren’t some Gods just able to cast Invincibility on themselves just forever...
Chronus: I literally kill gods for sport
Level 400 fighter mutant: Hehe everything get *S L A S H*
How long have you been playing D&D????
Once again, I cut another worthless object
@@loremaster5456 Why do you ask, exactly?
@@laffinggas8068 he thought that he meant that ur character was level 400 while you actually talking about the hecatoncheires
i wonder if there is a guy who plays dnd everyday for the past 20years and what his character level would be at this point.
7:47 that's the Magic The Gathering art for the card Damnation. A board wipe
"A god of fertility probably wouldn't be a good fighter" *Freya glares, sword in hand, from her chariot pulled by giant cats*
Freya's also a war goddess (If I remember right), and one of her rage moments was extreme enough to unsettle *Thor*, so I'd say she's more of an exception than anything.
@@winsonzhu4427 hey, even Male deities know when it's that time of the century.
@@winsonzhu4427 Hey, moms can be scary. Sure fertility gods/goddesses like to have a good time, but do not piss them off.
I too feel insulted by the insinuation that fertility deities are an easy fight.
@@winsonzhu4427 actually, goddesses that simultaneously govern both fertility and war are fairly normal IRL. See Ishtar for another example.
Other deities with the domains of fertility and war include Sobek, Jiutian Xuannu, Shaushka, and others.
Also common domains for fertility deities are the expected harvest/agriculture/etc and the perhaps less expected death.
The Kobold god of traps deserves more recognition, damn
Kurtilmak is an unsung hero.
@@jandocarrillo2731 gnomes are the ultimate evil for imprisoning him.
@Hakageryuu with a vengeance
Jando Carrillo Gods are petty and egoistical. They basically genocided their own children because “you can’t make stuff that’s for us”.
It was probably a tiny bear trap that stubbed his pinky toe. Or maybe he invented D&D's first lego and placed it under Cronos' foot.
"The CR 33 Iron Colossus is similar to an Iron Golem except that its body is sculpted from 150,000 pounds of pure iron. It weighs around 350,000 pounds." Huh? Where does the other 200,000 pounds come from?
It gained some weight over the holidays.
Magic
What falls faster? A pound of feathers or a pound of gold?
Anger
It had a rough day. The ice cream just looked so tempting.
it's heartwarming to know that the strongest known creatures in dnd are good aligned
And are dragons!
It’s like how ancient gold dragons are stronger than ancient red dragons
@@josephwilliams5292 However it's important to note that evil dragons outnumber good dragons.
Hmm, iron colossus.... sounds like something a large high level party could be hired to hunt down for a guild of blacksmith that don't want to worry about getting iron for a few generations.
and the guild of craftsmen
Or something the kingdom has built to send after those damn murder hobos who are just way too strong for any amount of town guards to deal with..
...ooor something you gather the materials to build so you can counter the BBEGs own allied Xixical that's coming to destroy the kingdom in a D&D kaiju battle.
@@benjamingrissom1828 make a bbeg that can teleport and instakill the characters at any moment and promisses to do that to the characters, so the party has to stay on an anti magic field perpetually, they eventually decide to build their own walking anti magic field so they can leave the city without dying, as soon as they leave the city the bbeg teleports to kill them, only for all of his abilities to fail
I really liked the idea of the Hecatonchiries, but didn't want to throw a totally unreasonable challenge into my game, so I played around with the concept in my personal campaign setting. The gods of my world had a chained Hecatonchiries, leftover from the conflicts that created the universe. They carved off a piece of it and molded it into an assassin to send against a mad war god that had grown too powerful and was fixing to end the world in a massive magical war. The assassin killed the war god, but instead of returning the God's portfolio to the pantheon to be redistributed, it ripped it apart and cast it into the mortal world. A century later, new godlings are rising up from the places where the war god's power fell, and the assassin has manipulated my players into helping it break into the prison where the rest of the Hecatonchiries' body is, and carve off the rest of the arms and heads. Now there's a small army of Hecatonchirion spawn rolling across the country slaying gods, new and old alike. With the combined post-magical-nuclear-war setting and the literal Ragnarok happening, I've got my party playing apocalypse bingo.
>go to fight fertility god
>every party member is suddenly very pregnant
......... they were all male
@@Grieves0001 then it would be a insta nut then
What's the timestamp of the fertility god? I see everyone talking about it but I haven't been able to find it in the video
@@quantumcroissant7870 It's not really brought up as a stat block or anything, just as a general comment when talking about how hard a god would be to fight.
See around 16:00.
@@Grieves0001 Sucks to be them then.
Always thought that the Terrasque was the be all end all most terrifying monster ...
Needing so many things and having someone that needs 'Wish'
When I learned about playing DnD ...back in the day...I became terrified of this thing.
Then I learned aboot the 'Lady of Pain'
You know every time I see these lists the only thing that pops into my mind is "How do normal people survive in these realms?"
Everything beyond like cr3 is stupidly rare. You see the stuff because as an adventure your actively seeking it out.
The vast majority of these aren't hanging around, they're likely hibernating... i hope!
Also because gods, good dragons. Angels, and epic superhero-type adventurers are working to protect you
These extremely powerful beings are similarly extremely rare, and on top of that there's powerful forces out there that directly oppose these beings
I would say pray, but even the Gods cant defeat some of these
Gods: makes titans
Titans: makes giants
Gods: Wait that's illegal
TheNinjaLegend Titans are pretty awesome. And in Greek mythology I believe the titans actually created the gods.
@@lebanemcarl68 The first six, Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Hera, and Hestia were the children of the titan Kronos. Zeus killed Kronos and then the six filled out a pantheon and ruled over mortals.
Yes, there was a lot of incest.
Edit: I forgot Demeter.
Lorgar64 Well they are gods, so I don’t think there would be any genetic problems. In Greek mythology some god could cooom on dirt and it would make a monster.
@@lebanemcarl68 I know I was just going with the lore of D&D
@@lebanemcarl68 that actually happened. Hephaestus attempted to rape Athena, came on her leg, she wiped it off and the cum landed on the ground which got fertilized and spawned a baby
In the forgotten volumes of the Dragon magazine there exists an even more powerful Dragon - The Time Dragon. Great Wyrm Time Dragon has a CR higher than Prismatic or Force Dragons.
It's only in 2nd e, but the Stellar Dragon & Great Dreamer from Spelljammer were freaking OP...the Stellar Dragon has a 'Sphere of Annihilation breath weapon' on a solar system scale. The Great Dreamer is a a three-eyed space whale the size of a planet.
can someone tell the name of the book, pls? i'm looking for strong monsters. Also, if anyone send me the thames of those books that appears cronus and the beyond 50CR monsters, i would be grateful.
@@ricardomoreira2936 Many of the video's creatures appear in the Epic Level Handbook of 3.5, Cronus' stats are in the Dragon magazine #375 pag. 63, you can find it in the Internet Archive.
@@adamrawn2063 what is the cr of the stellar dragon?
@@zacariaselbrujo4467 the epic level handbook i know. it's the cronus stats that i wanted more. Thank you so much!
all this reminds me of is that i had a DM who had a CR 74 monster in their homebrew campaign. we actually managed to kill it with a bomb that completely destroyed everything within a 10 mile sphere of the initial blast. i was flying above it in a plane (artificer DMPC made it) and just barely was safe from the blast.
Id rather like to see a" Scariest" or " Most weird/unique" version of this.
Their is an abomination that is the undead aborted fetus of two gods.
Go read through the Monsters of Rokugan book, and the various Ravenloft bestiaries and Campaign Settings. I specially love the Ravenloft nanny golem. Basically a porcelain doll turned into a golem to protect the children of nobility from vampires and other pests that are a bit too common in Ravenloft. Sure, it will keep your child SAFE, but its pure nightmare fuel. Reminds me of Bart Simpson's baby bed, the clown Homer made for him.
What is the deal...with Gibbering mouthers?
Genius Loci is actually pronounced “Loh-kee” not “Lossy”, latin doesn’t have soft C sounds. Also the singular form would probably be “Genius Locus.”
Serious question: how do we know? Latin was a dead language long before audio recordings existed, so I would be interested in how we can determine how ancient Romans would pronounce words.
@@sick0832 It comes from Latin poetry. By figuring out rhyme schemes, we can see which words rhyme with which. Then from that we can figure out pronunciations.
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sick0832 you know, I guarantee I asked my latin teacher this exact question in high school but I don’t remember her answer. I do know that scholars of latin generally consider this to be the case, with pronunciation of “Classical” latin versus “Church” latin, but the reasoning behind it is lost to me. Sorry I couldn’t clarify better! I’ll try and email Magistra McCord sometime and get back to you on this.
@@sick0832 A lot of languages are directly derived from latin and you can get a reasonable idea by comparing sounds from those languages as well as from specific words. For example: the Romand use the 'c' exclusively as a 'k' sound and 'ae' sounded much like 'ai'. The result of this you can still find in the German word 'Kaiser' which is derived from the name 'Ceasar' as this name was adopted by the roman emperors and found its way well into the holy roman empire though the roman church and the Frankish empire. Word for word, lamguage scientists can recustruct large parts of languages.
So.. basically just the generic monsters from the Epic Handbook. In the same Edition, the true D&D deities listed in the book Deities and Demigods have a 'minimum' CR of around ~66 for the lesser deities such as Bahamut. It does not specify their CR but it gives the statement that, 'if forced to use a CR for a deity, a good starting baseline guide would be to take their total HD + divine rank, as a minimum." It also lists the stats for not only the "standard" (I believe Greyhawk, the one with Bahamut, Cuthbert, Pelor and such), but also 3 others for comparisons: the Asgardian, Pharaonic, and Olympian pantheons.
In actual gameplay the deities' realistic CRs would be likely significantly higher than this gives you, but the range it does give is something around CR66 to CR87 or so for someone like Moradin or Corellon. However, there are several abilities the deities have which outstrip literally anything normal monsters can throw at them. I can tell you up front that the stats given for Cronus here would not suffice to actually *defeat* one of the actual deities listed in this book, aside from maybe one of the weaker demigods such as Hercules. A true martial deity such as Heironeus would not lose to him, though Cronus is capable of at least damage the deities with his massive weapon strength. The problem more likely is that Cronus simply would not be able to keep up with the Deities' other abilities and would lose by default.
But honestly this is not new. Several other sources have claimed to have god-equal or god-killing power monsters and then I look at their stats against the actual deity stats and laugh. Cronus is definitely up there near it, though.
The Hecatoncheires ultimately falls into the same trap... their lore says they can, but the actual stats do not bear this out. In particular, the entry for Thor indicates that he could literally one-round a Hecatoncheires, from up to *18 miles* away, by boomerang-throwing Mjolnir at it 4 times, because Thor with Mjolnir is absolutely ridiculous, dealing *64d8+116 = 628* raw physical damage per hit. Not per round, per *hit.* Also, Thor as a Greater Deity always rolls a 20 on attack rolls and always gets the maximum result of any die roll. He still rolls to check if he crits, but other than that everything is counted as a 20. So, he automatically hits the monster 4 times in a row without any special feats, only raw stats, and without using any of his activated deific powers aside from using Alter Size to grow to be 1600 feet tall because why wouldn't he if he were fighting one of these things?
Of course, Thor with Mjolnir is an extreme example and even the other martial deities do not come close to his raw output with this weapon unless they were to create similarly-powerful artifact weapons for themselves... but they can certainly do so, especially with the help of someone like Boccob, who can, and I quote: "Create Magic Items: As a deity of magic, Boccob can create any type of magic item." With no GP limitation or stat limitation because he is a Greater Deity. So Boccob can literally clap his hands and create Mjolnir-level artifact weapons as if he were Edward Elric transmuting his arm-blade, and distribute them to all of the deities, if he wants to do so. With such a weapon, Boccob himself could literally slap down a Hecaton with nigh-impunity.
The dragons, though, are awesome. I *love* Prismatic and Force dragons. Prismatics are potentially capable of getting to "Beyond Great Wyrm" and truly competing with some deities..... somewhat.
I mean, it really just depends on the campaign setting. Different campaign settings have different standards for CR.
I absolutely agree that the video fails to address the insane power of the forgotten realms gods, just reading the lore of some fights the gods acctually carried out is enough to prove unmistakenly that the monsters listed in the video would fail pathetically in direct combat against a greater deity of the forgotten realms.
Even the avatars of the gods during the time of troubles were in reach of all the monsters of this video (Just thinking about the battle between Bane and Torm)
Not to mention that Mystra could just undo any construct and theoretically has the power to rob a god of his access to the weave (eventhough it is strictly forbidden for her to do that since Midnight ascended and kind of screwed over the powerbalance for a while with that power)
And then theres Ao...
I liked those comparisons and references haha. I don’t know nearly as much about D&D Deities but this was very insightful and put things into perspective. Thanks!
@@nicolashaller5863 Ao doesn't count. He's a statless DM avatar fiat/author plot device, not a character.
@@ASNS117Zero I only partially agree as there are still references to powers beyond Ao, but I do admit, that he is not exactly comparable with any entity of the realms as he is completly detached from any bounds of that universe.
If you want an actual idea as to the power of a deity in D&D, look at the "Demigid's and Dieties" rulebook. It's for third edition, like Cronus and Hecatoncheires
“What if a god were to put everything they had into making *the best thing?* “
I kinda like the thought of something as powerful as a god trying really hard to make something cool.
She's not a monster but she is the most powerful thing in all of D&D she's from 1st edition, the lady of pain
Yup, sadly nobody talks about her anymore...
Plane scape came out in second edition. But close enough.
Did she ever have stats?
@@agentchaos9332 no
she didn't have stats for a reason, you cannot fight her.
Monsters as I see them
Genius Loci: Ego from Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Elder Titans: Giant Fallen Angels
Dream Larva: Birdbox Monster
Umbral Blot: A Fucking self aware Black Hole
Iron Colossus: TENGEN TOPPA GURREN LAGAAN
Phaethon: The Magma Titan from Hercules on PCP
Primal Elemental: ELEMENTAL GODS
Xixecal: Regice of Steroids
Devastation Vermin: If the 4 Horsemen of the apocalypse where Giant Kaiju Bugs.
Cronus: THE DND DOOMSLAYER
Hecatoncheires: Read Berserk up to the point where we first see the abyss, basically that.
Force/Prismatic Dragons: Dragon Gods
Time Dragons: Dragon God's Big Brother.
If Titans are extremely smart and close themselves off to contemplate existence, can you confront them with the realization that all moments of happiness only distract them from and magnify the immeasurable loneliness of life and win by induced depression?
They are immortal. They've depressed 10,000 years already. If they didn't off themselves already they won't do it now
If they really are "perfect" existences, chances are they are already past depression.
"roll a wisdom saving throw"
"i rolled an 11"
"the titan imparts the meaning of life to you and you are awed by his message. you lose all will to fight him and now want to go talk to your grandma"
college debt? heartbreak? homelessness? THAT is what Dream Larva become?
MY EX WIFE NO*insta dies*
Dropping buttered brrad onto the floor and it lands with the butter side down
But what if u don't have any fears wouldn't the Dream Larva be weak
I forget if i said this in the last video, and i know they share a lot of similar monsters. But I'd really like to see you do this with planescape's strongest monsters.
That or shadowrun would be cool as hell. Like taking in AI's and such.
Shadowrun monsters and lore would be really cool
@Richard Joyce meh.
Only reason i bring it up is because i thought i remembered him asking for suggestions.
"Imagine if Mother Earth could attack you with trees and dominate humans in order to speak."
*Captain Planet*
Or, why Na-ti is the scariest planeteer. He has mind control, if he choose to use his powers that way. :)
The strongest named entity in D&D - at least, as far as Realmspace is concerned - would be Ao. For those physically present in Realmspace on the Material plane, it's The Atropal.
I'm curious what CR the mistress of pain would have, she would probably be a minimum of CR 60 since she managed to kill a god with no effort at all, but she would probably be even higher then that as she's one of the few things that doesn't get stats, a thing that doesn't have stats is essentially a thing that can never be defeated unless the narrative calls for it and requires a massive undertaking even then to do.
Her CR is pretty much "YES".
Actually her cr is No. Because you cannot challenge her.
The lady would probably have CR infinity
In Japanese '4' is pronounced the same as 'death' & '9' is 'pain', so I'd say CR 94 would be appropriate.
My personal belief is that the Lady of Pain and beings like her should not have a stat sheet. The Lady of Pain is a pillar of the Multiverse and has not only killed a god with a mere thought, but has also managed to keep all of the gods from the various pantheons from having any true influence in Sigil. If PANTHEONS of gods can't dethrone her, what chance could a party have to even scratch her?
One you missed; the Old Wyrm variant on the Time Dragon is actually an absurd CR 90.
Well, isn't an old wyrm time dragon also a baby time dragon ?
Just wondering
So you're saying that if I need to end the world with dragons because my level 10 party pisses me off, I should use an Ancient Force dragon?! :O
yeah thats exactly what he was saying :-)
End it with an umbral sphere. That should be quick lmao
Yes
I'd toss an army of Hecatoncheires myself, describing a tree of flesh, made of massive warriors and wizards, towering to the heavens, slinging magic that would make the goddess of magic blush. welding short swords that easily dwarf the mightiest of the titans. cleaving and obliterating everything in its path, you watch this from what appears to be the edge of the world map...
roll for initiative…
@Richard Joyce but half the fun of fantasy role-play is throwing off the shackles of adulthood. Also, some people can only learn their lesson when their imaginary self sudden becomes not.
Chronus: A Created God that seeks to hunt all other Gods out of hatred
Handy Boi: I'm about to end this whole man's career.
I recently brought Cronus into my game before I saw this video. Using the stats here and from the Dragon Magazine that they appeared in, I made an avatar-like version, CR probably still in the 40's. Someone actually broke into the Carceri prison shortly after Cronus discovered his deception and about to burst forth on his almost inconceivable raging rampage of annihilation. That unknown person actually talked Cronus into having a much greater and long-lasting revenge on the gods, and taught him to internalize his anger (making it somewhat implode into a more concentrated and stable form). The result, a seemingly peaceful Cronus easily broke free of his prison, seemingly retired to a far-off plane that the even the gods were greatly concerned to investigate (namely the Cold Waste from H. P. Lovecraft Kadath lore), and now only has his "avatar" roaming the planes and worlds, with no seeming anger nearly at all. His true power is not in his personal combat stats, but his real ability to erode the dimensional barriers between planes if he wanted to. Imagine the walls between Heaven, Hell, Abyss, Olympus, Hades, Limbo, Elysium, and all the others slowly getting holes in them, which Cronus can control on a small scale, or just have them all springing leaks into each other; and yet, Cronus has not done it yet... the gods are going nuts... merely the thought of this possibly uncontrollable being having that much power... and Cronus having a constant wry-smile on his face... the suspense is killing them, pulling their divine hair out. Meanwhile, I have a man-sized Cronus soaking in a hot-tube in a Norse mead-hall, telling stories, and occasionally letting out a secret or two!
Cronus: "DC 69 fort save on attack or die."
Me: "Nice."
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So as for diefic challenge ratings, I seem to remember in either 3.0 or 3.5 that all dieties had 20 levels of outsider and 40 class levels... So they would all be in the 50-60 CR range as well
Those are pretty much their avatars. Deities and Demigods pretty much states as much.
That would be without considering their divine rank
@@Krishnath.Dragon Avatars are only slightly more powerful than the most powerful mortals.
Their Avatar's CR wouldn't be above 40 in 5e
Levels do not state CR.
A party of 4 avatars would be cr 40
I'm SOOOO happy you added the Hecatoncheires to this list. So many people have never heard of it and a DM of mine in the past ended one of our campaigns utilizing it. It was epic and unforgettable!
Thing is an absolute monster and I always default to that when it comes to scariest beast. I'm less afraid of a Tarrasque than that thing!
What about some elder evils like Pandorym or Atropus, I guess their true CR isn’t really stated because they are usually fragmented, but those are some powerhouses
What about Asmodeus true form and no injuries. As I recall his aspect was already a cr 32
@@zephirol4638 Probably double his CR for true form :P
zephiro l yeah, Ahriman is another force to be reckoned
Cronus: I crush
Sneaky Kobold god: I have a different plan for you.
The strongest godkiller vs the god patron of one of the weakest race.
Poor Kronos, he didn't have a change.
Zeus: Bro, I need a hand!
Hecatoncheires: I GOT YOU HOMIE!
Mateus Heck 🤦🏻♂️
Hecatoncheires: Take my hand! nOt tHaT oNe!!
@Mateus Heck Typhon: *Oh boy here I go killing again*
It's funny because in Greek mythology the hecatoncheires are all actually Zeus' uncles; look it up.
Honestly, one of the coolest parts of this video is learning that Kerafyrm had its origins--both in design and power--in Dungeons and Dragons.
"Genius lossy"
This pronunciation kills me
Yeah. Isnt it supposed to be with a K sound. As in location? It is not an evil lossation. It is an "evil location"
“low-kye”
it’s not even made up, the whole thing is just latin lol
Gen-yoos Lo-kai, I think.
Oh please. 18:08
@Lowkey Loki go back to tumblr you sensitive little bitch
Prismatic dragons are my favourite. I have a prismatic dragon NPC who is the sponsor of my adventurers, unbeknownst to them of course. They have the perfect blend of aloofness to mortal minds and interest in mortal life, to make them a nice pillar and anchor to slip between campaigns and even subsume other NPCs roles, giving a bit of agency from me to guide the party in certain directions if they are lost with a familiar yet mysterious face, while not having to have the world itself bend to funnel them towards something.
Me reading the tittle: BOBLIN THE GOBLIN
be careful do not say that accursed name aloud you might summon its wrath
Who? I know of Pun Pun, but who is boblin?
thats a named entity, and i dont think gods are put on this list
Boblin the Goblin, goes by Grundle Grub Esquire in my game and sells jars of rat shit potions like a snake oil salesman in our game, and yes he is the worlds strongest monster.
Punpun the kobold would like a word
I've always heard loci pronounced "low kai" which makes sense as it is a root term for words like locate and locus, other words that have to do with place. Having said that I'm aware there's not a ton of consensus on how c is pronounced in ancient Latin, but "lossy" just sounds wrong.
loci is actually the genitve form of latin locus that means place. so Genius Loci means "Spritit of the place". it is pronounced "lochi" (like in tai chi)
Cronus defeats all the gods to realize it was just an illusion.
Cronus : ah shit, here we go again.
Big boy is just on Practice mode.
9:00 Fun fact, at 350 000 pounds and over 80 feet tall (about 160 000 kg and 25 metres), an iron colossal is hilariously disproportional. If you take a normal man at around 180 cm or 6 feet weighing about 80 kg or about 180 lbs as you model and scale him up to 80 feet or 25 metres tall while keeping the same proportions, you end up with a man weighing in at around 200 000 kg or 440 000 lbs. Quite a bit more than the weight of an iron colossal of the same height. That means there are two possible explanations. Iron colossals are either thin and slim or they're hollow enough to float. That, or the person who created their entry made a serious calculation error.
They lack around 90,000 Lbs of water-weight. That isn't a calculation error, since no liquids are used or required in the creation and running of a golem. And largely they are otherwise hollow inside (or contain dead space) which is noted from the skill required to make them: an Armoursmithing or Weaponsmithing check.
@@jordonsnowdy8062 I don't think requiring an armoursmithing or weaponsmithing check is evidence that iron colossals are hollow. It just means you need to have some knowledge about how to structure iron in order to make it strong enough, hollow or not. I don't see how it would be evidence that they're hollow at all.
@@DirtyPoul If all it required was knowledge about how to structure iron, Blacksmithing would be on that list since it's an applicable trade in 3.x, but it isn't. Even Locksmithing should also qualify, all things considered - but it does not either.
As well, given how the crafting rules work, it takes around 570 weeks to craft an Iron Colossus (assuming that the crafter or crafters can each achieve the DC 42 check exactly every week), which uses 1,005,000 Lbs of iron (iron costs 1sp per 1Lb). This however, is cut down to just 350,000 Lbs. as per the description of the Iron Colossus.
The weight of an M1A1 Abrams main battle tank is 67.6 tons or 135,000 lbs and uses materials far denser than iron in its construction, and is about 32ftx12ftx8ft in dimensions; two end to end is about 64 feet, and half of one is 80 feet. Colossal (tall) creatures occupy (traditionally) a 40ftx40ft area, so it's safe to assume that a creature fills in physically half the space for footing, or 20ft.
So considering that two and a half Abrams have both internal space and denser materials as well as a narrower profile, then a colossal suit of armour roughly the same height is the abrams' length (but thicker and wider) also has internal space.
Honeycomb interior to keep weight down so it could move faster.
Bone/tissue/water and metal are not the same density so the scaling analogy doesn’t really work. And on top of that entirely possible that the colossus could be hollow like you mentioned
MrRhexx
!! I'm so glad you're allright in these apocalyptic times! Been re-watching all your DnD videos daily :)
MrRhexx is truly the highest CR
26:34 AJ Pickett's video about force and prismatic dragons describes the prismatic dragon as a draconic version of Zaphod Beeblebrox from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and a prismatic dragon that lives near a humanoid settlement would be like a fraggle from Fraggle Rock, with the inhabitants of the town or city being like the Doozers.
EDIT: I recommend looking up the Time Dragon from 3.5e... It'll blow your mind.
7:24 It's literally vanilla ice STANDO: CREAM, but CREAM is invisible.
The time dragons from dragon magazine #359 can actually reach a challenge rating of 90 at their absolute strongest.
So Earth-chan has a CR of 30? Damn.
That is why so many billions of CR 0.5 and above are killing her.
Gotta love dat 0 AC tho XD
A tiny piece of it. Complete earth-chan is probably much stronger.
Wooper is our lord and savior
But if the entire earth-Chan was one of those things, remember that they can only control *one* entity at one time. In the DnD world, people are limited in power and don’t have nukes at their disposal (see also the maximum of 9th level spells)
Before all things existed or could exist, existence needed to be contained. That which contained existence was the first Dungeon. The Dungeon could not be empty, so the first thing within the Dungeon was the Dragon. From these first things all others followed.
But CR is so weird. There is literally a Monster called Annihalition which at the end of time kills everything but it has a CR of 50
Quinten Majica How did it destroy everything?
CR is specifically combat, this means it only take into account number of spells, attack output, health, and AC. If you think about it there are creatures who can cast wish and the wish spell is literally as powerful as the DM says. But since wish dosnt automatically do damage it isn't taken into account in the CR even though you could wish for someone to take damage.
So yeah CR is kinda dumb
Edit: I know that wish has its limits
Bizness man My player wished for the wish spell to be good, unknowingly giving an order of mages a lot of power.
Lol he’s in for a wild ride.
@@lebanemcarl68 Yikes well, I wish... him the best of luck.
Lebanem carl it just sits there and then Ur flies around and everything near it vanishes
I would love to see you tackle other campaign settings in D&D like you dabbled with in this video. No one does a better job of finding and communicating every single piece of lore about something than you do. Forgotten Realms is obviously the setting Wizards has decided to stick with for 5e, but D&D has such a rich history of other settings that it's a shame that newer players (like myself) are totally locked out of them. Greyhawk and Dark Sun are the ones I particularly would like to play in. Or Planescape. There's so much potential, and you could really inspire some great interest by delving into these other places with your level of care and detail.
I know of 1 creature more powerful than any of these. Usually he/she is called "The DM".
The DM can take many forms, has access to all spells, abilities, feats, and knowledge. If The DM decides something is going to happen, it happens, and there is no limit to their health, or power unless they want to put a limit on themselves. They exist in all realms, but most of the inhabitants of the realms do not know they exist, not even the gods.
The DMs that are good in nature prefer to let the world run its course, and let things happen as they happen. The ones that are bad like to abuse their power, and manipulate the world to be how they want it to be.
Give me 3 mystics and I'll drive it to suicide in a year at most
And luckily they can be appeased though simple offerings like snacks
Even more powerful are the entities known as players. These entities often take on an avatar, which while physically weak, has the uncanny power to destroy all of the DMs plans with little effort.
even more powerful are the creatures known as DM's parents, for they can banish the DM and his friends from the basement to the "outside" where all DM's ambitions come to a swift end
@@tzviru Yes, but their power is fleeting. As the DM grows, the DM will learn to venture out in search of a new den to house games with out the interference of the parents.
I live in Oklahoma and the sirens in your video made me think there was a tornado.
So... Moana was just a D&D campaign in the Forgotten Realms. That's neat.
The Lady of Pain is the most powerful creature in D&D. She is so powerful, she's actually never been statted - if you fight her in Sigil, you lose, and she never leaves Sigil.
That is all.
accurate afaik
Yeah, she's pretty much like one of the stronger beings from Exalted: DM: "Roll for ini... haha just kidding you're impaled on a tower of spikes made out of your own body. You lose."
She can't leave. Or so they say. But gods can't enter Sigil so we don't know how powerful she actually is. If she's a God how did she get into Sigil? Also AFAIK gods grant spells and need worshipers and prayers or they die and end up as a god corpse on the astral plane. I think this proves she's not a god. Anyone that prays to her she kills mazes.
Emrakul would be able to enter the forgotten realms. And I am wondering what "her" challenge rating would be.
Hopefully we'll get her stats in the "Return to Innistrad. This time with a vengance" Book
Her avatar would probably be around 40-50, considering her world eating tendencies and ability to create powerful spawn. Her actual self would be impossible to tell, considering how alien she is and how little we know about her.
It's not offical, but I bookmarked this epic update pdf with epic homebrewed monsters, including a CR 37 Emrakul: drive.google.com/file/d/11Q_RBb9pbre3be9wo3b3_h8xRIobqb28/view
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@@DS-gu1lt for how jace and company killed the other 2 titans, even if she is far stronger, 37 seems fair.
"The Dragon" from Athas (Dark Sun) has been stated out for 2e and 4e (that I know of) and it's up there with godlike creatures. Not sure where it'd fit within 3/3.5e or 5e...I think it's just fan made material for those editions.
@MrRhexx I remember when this video came out. I was in a very bad spot and I spent a lot of time watching through all your videos, which really helped a lot. During the worst period I had this video came out, and seeing it pop up in my recommended again just made me realize how far I’ve come in these seven months. So thank you, a lot
I always love the " we arnt sure 1 exists but its possible" foes of lore
thanks, the Genius loci is almost the last part for my campaign, just need a species for a non evil druid litch who succeeds in making a Genius loci plane. just need a species suitable.
1:50 "What if the planet earth was actually alive?"
So, kinda like earth-chan?
Love how most of these have roots in mythology and history. Greek specifically.
Even if they ain't very close in any sense