What Is the Separate Self?
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- A man asks for clarity on the subject of the separate self. He says that during meditation the sense of being a separate subject of experience is preventing the peace and serenity of being, which is what initially attracted him to Advaita Vedanta.
Rupert says: ‘The separate self is a mixture of the true and only self - being, or being aware - plus the limitations of experience - thoughts, feelings, sensations, and so on. This amalgam between the only self that there is, infinite being, and the limitations of experience creates an apparently separate or finite self.
‘So each of us derives our identity from the only identity there is - being - then we add limitations to that being, and as a result, we believe that we are temporary finite selves. Awareness is the self from which the apparently separate self derives its identity but, in the awareness of being or awareness’s knowledge of itself, there is no separate self present.’
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Timestamps:
0:00 Accessing Pure Awareness
1:02 There Is No Separate Self
1:58 What Is the Separate Self?
2:59 What Gives Us Our Sense of Identity?
3:15 Awareness of Awareness
4:25 Awareness of Being
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Brilliant explanation Rupert!! Thanks for sharing!
Best way to differentiate between consciousness and separate self is to think about why you do not remember anything in deep sleep.
Since consciousness is pure awareness, why you aren't aware during deep sleep. It appears you went to sleep and disappeared from existence for couple of hours. But then, how come your body didn't die? It was awake while you were asleep. Something must have been aware in there that orchestrated all the bodily functions and processes in perfect harmony. Something in there had to be conscious. Even the brain wasn't asleep. In fact, it lit up like a Christmas tree. Is that who you are? Not the thoughts that say i am?
Who is in there that blossoms trees in the spring time? Something in there must be aware of the warming spring sun, and the nice moisty air and water in the soil... Something in there is conscious. What has the ability to be conscious? Where is it?
Separate self is an appearance that Being is an individual who needs to fight another to survive or sometimes work together to survive.. The irony is that Being is just one, the only one, not the individual one. That's separate self. An idea
separate self is an illusion, it's a concept inside of a mind, which is starting to appear between 2-3 years age, i suppose it helps us to survive, that's why it was chosen at some point by the evolution to stay, but behind it there are a set of qualias, of which the consciousness is built (sight, hearing, smell, pain, pleasure cold hot etc etc) , how does it appear locally and why does it appear? And why cannot I teleport into someone elses brain if we all are one
Ok, then how does one differentiate between that which one consciously experiences and the pure, nondual experience of consciousness?
@@stevemawdsley9798 i just told you how. Imagine you are an iron rod. What is an iron rod conscious of? I am sure the physicists would reffer to physical laws in order to explain why particles interact, yet, inevitably there must be some amount of awareness present for any type of interaction to occur. Consciousness is manifested in different ways through different forms. That's the non dual take. One consciousness manifested throughout form
One of the best, most simple explanations I’ve heard yet. Thank you
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Beautiful explanation ❤
It’s a fascinating way to make Love a verb - its qualities wondrously floating to top of a heap of contrast.
Those of you who do not understand this, do not be concerned. Rejoice! Your misunderstanding will inevitably lead to your realization of the truth of yourself.
Thank you enlightened one
Uuuuuuhm I still don’t feel very enlightened 🙄
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Big facts
Wonderful
Thank you so much Rupert. 💕What a wonderful and a very important message. 🙏🏾
That’s sooo beautiful……thank you
Thank you Rupert .
Pure awareness, when experienced, immediately is filtered by our individuality. How do we recognize pure awareness without our filters?
What an apology and metaphor. Hats off to you Rupert 👏. Thank you so much.
Wonderfull , Thank you 💖
Supreme 🤗
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So well put ! I understand what he was explaining! 😁
Krishnamurty said : the observer is the observed , you , consciousness, are not different from it's content . Is this contradictory with what Rupert explains ?
no, not at all. Consciousness experiences itself through the finite mind
I tried this rather mentally focused approach to self-realisation through the negation of the physical body and I love Rupert’s compassionate way of teaching but luckily… I found out that this is only half of the cake 😉 Consciousness itself not only manifests as the physical but also subtle body and us humans have the capacity of self-realisation through our very nervous system. That is why Consciousness designed itself in flesh and bone in the first place. Not only to experience itself as human, but also as a way to remember oneness, to be able to go all the way back ☺️ Through the faculties of the body and for example through emotions. Emotions are a doorway to Pure Awareness. As the light of individual consciousness expands so does it illumine the emotional body and so forth… everything is vibration, everything is the one ultimate reality. And the physical body is a walking universe in itself 😉 - I highly recommend Igor Kufayev‘s work to further dive into the role of the body in relation to the Absolute ✨
I wonder if Rupert engages in silent contemplation, ie. meditation? I wonder what his trajectory with that has been.
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Now go back and read "The Impersonal Life" by Joseph Benner. It will take on a whole new meaning.
the mind is all apart of the body, you only know the here and now
barely audible ❓
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Yet complaining
Just so Rupert.
Ahhhh so good! 🌝
This is incorrect, it is utterly possible to go in on yourself and utterly experience not only your thoughts, your feelings, emotions your being, but ALSO your body!
I think he meant external appearance.
The so-called body is not a thing, it is an ever-changing process. The body that goes to bed at night is not the same as the one that rises in the morning. Just as a wave on the surface of the ocean is not a thing that you can plop down on a table. Both are energetic processes.
Thank you, would you please describe what you experience as this you call your body.
You can also be a hyena on spiritual experiences and experience everything....
I am a Prophet.
@@cazalis Pure sensation, nothing else. Check out Rupert Spira.
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Good example Rupert about the sun. 😊
But emotions have physiological correlates and register in the body-sweaty palms, cortosol spikes, heart palpitations, you can see fear on a person's face and be concerned for them. How could you set healthy boundaries without a sense of separation?
But your concern comes from having the sense that you are the same.
what do you mean by setting healthy boundaries when noticing these correlates?
I disagree with Rupert. The Self already is, but the body and mind limit the viewpoint.
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I wonder.... why somebody is tortured or raped.... that what experiences this isn't contaminated? The more conscious the more terrible it becomes. The only escape is to become unconscious. It's all so terrible, and all horror on earth , now and thru history for IT to become aware? Isn't the price too high? If so the infinite mind is without compassion, cruel in it's search for....
I respectfully disagree. A feeling is directly linked to the body. So when Rupert says the separate self is only a belief and feeling and not associated with the body I disagree. The body-mind embody the separate self. Therefore, separate self is not exclusive to the function of thinking.
The body ultimately doesnt "exist" that is what Rupert means.the Body Itself is an ontological belief. Not as a thought but as an experience. If you do lsd, bufo, ayahuasca etc intense meditation practices. You can grasp directly what Rupert is pointing to.
@@DavidMedina-cb7pk I have done plant medicine, a fair amount. To use your logic..... Neither is the mind. An object doesn't have an independent existence. To create a gap between mind and body is incorrect.
Absolutely! Experience of body is simply sensing body is nothing more than a network of sensations . I bow down to Rupert for making this understand experientially. May you continue listening to him and you will certainly understand one day.
@@DavidMedina-cb7pkI've done plant medicine many times.
I agree the body doesn't exist as separate entity nor does the mind.
The body is required for feeling. So at the end of the day a separate self is the belief and felt experience of separation. That is why Rupert talks a lot about the knowing and understanding, and the living it out in the felt sense of unity takes sometime. I think in my opinion that is where this message compared to his other messages are not aligned.
ACIM might chime in here? The body is a projection of the mind to accomplish separation. Cause and effect are never actually separated, but the magic of the body’s endocrine system make the perfect trap for you to play victim, “feel” hurt or happy “outside” your mind and prove yourself separate. It’s genius really, quite the accomplishment!
in the moment there is love
I know three kinds of selves. A female observing self. A male observing self. Where in the middle of them I know the perceiving self.
When the three of them feels they are unified inside infiniteness, there is oneness by feeling.
Who is the one knowing 3 selves
Does consciousness suffer?
Rupert has always said Consciousness or Awareness says "Yes" to everything, in effect. Consciousness is beyond mind and thought. Therefore, it would not suffer. Thoughts have to inform you of suffering.
Watch out and be vigilant of anxiety and/or fear as they have the tendency to pull you inside your head, exactly the place where you don’t want to be.
I call this “ The Sunlight Of The Spirit” mentioned in AA big book
Consciousness is not behind the eyes looking at the visual field, as if consciousness were a subject and the visual field an object.
Consciousness IS the visual field. “Consciousness” and “visual field” are two arbitrary labels for the same actuality.
When this is seen, it is absolutely clear that there is not, and never has been, a separate self.
I can see everyone's mind
If the soul outlives the body, why have a body at all? What was the point in all the body related life if we just let it go, it rots and we are going on in the, I am, but in soul form? Why does there need to be a one-body to one-soul relationship? Why not 10 souls to each body? Why aren't there bodies wandering around with no person or soul, inside? If the body doesn't matter then why aren't we in animal, or plant bodies? Does this mean animals and plant, have an 'I am' or soul too? If the 'I am', is what matters then what is the true purpose of an ephemeral body? To experience, fleetingly, consciousness? If so, what is the point? Would it not make more sense that we are all just sacks of meat wandering around with an organ which has evolved to keep our bodies alive by sending life-preserving self-talk to influence our judgement.God being the consequence of not listening and our bodies the consequence of warm water, light, carbon and electricity and nothing else.
I think the problem here is that you think of the body as a physical thing whereas Rupert would say that there is no physical stuff, there is only Consciousness.
The point is that we as souls wish to experience this physical world. Experience is the key point. That brings about the evolution of consciousness. In the ultimate reality, which is the the spirit world, everything is just blissful, but it does not bring evolution of consciousness. Here it does, because there is seeming duality and contrast. Light against dark, joy against suffering. Love and fear. Why does the Creator create anything? Because it can. Animals and plants are on the lower level of consciousness, they don't have the sense of self in the same way we do which means that they are free from the ego. We have it and we are beings aware of being aware.
@@BlondeManNoName Thank you. I’m having a tough time trying to reconcile souls wishing to experience the physical world and Auschwitz.
I can only make sense of it if I think of the dimension of consciousness being constructed of the objects which make up the dimension below it (the physical). The physical dimension being made of the objects which make up the dimension below that (which I would suppose to be good and evil, love and hate and so on).
If that were true, we are standing on the shoulders of the building blocks of being, good or bad. Terrifying thought, no?
@@_indrid_cold_Yes, the problem of good and evil is difficult for many to fathom. Many even abandon their faith in God when they ask how could God allow such things to happen? It's all a great opera, but the suffering surely feels real.
In the Bhagavad Gita Arjuna asks Krishna to reveal his true form which he does. As he is really Brahman, he is All-that-Is and this vision was amazing bewildering, terrifying and overhelming to Arjuna. The light was too much.
We as humans, at least until self-realization possibly can't comprehend the "why" of it all or the God-head which is all that there ever is, including you and me. We aren't really separate beings, but we experience ourselves as such due to our localized ego-mind consciousness. Yet deep down we are That.
Duality, good and evil are just a play of forms. All evil stems from ignorance of our true nature. If you truly knew that the other being close to you is essentially yourself, not on the surface level, you could never ever harm him or it as you would only be harming yourself. No sane being would ever do that. They would only love the "other" as themselves. Behind the eyes of everything and every being lies Brahman, The Creator.
_"Who is it that loves and who that suffers? He alone stages a play with Himself; who exists save Him? The individual suffers because he perceives duality. It is duality which causes all sorrow and grief. Find the One everywhere and in everything and there will be an end to pain and suffering."_
~ *Anandamayi Ma*
The soul's porpouse and goal is some heavy shit, even your ass will die, but it will live on, easily.
When I ask myself what I'm doing I say, I'm Being.
So what is the soul?
The idea of an individual “self.“ A finite thought in infinite Mind to work and play with specifics.
@@MountainHackerif I understand well: it s not about the energy inside the body? It s about an identity created by the mind. !
It's mind's world.
IMO there’s no right and wrong in the study of awareness. It’s a personal journey. I study many teachers and all have reflections of what is true for who I am based on *my* understanding
Good question lady, quote; " what is the purpose of the body" and the teacher couldn't answer the question except for using consciousness and mind both that cannot form a physical body and brain. The physical Brain is the faculty for consciousness and mind not vice versa.
What is the purpose for your physical brain and body to experience and then store that experience so that the brain can be aware and conscious of that experience when it confronts that experience again, for what purpose, there would be no purpose unless something wants to UTILIZE that experience.
Basically you the intelligent species were initially FORMED not BORN. That which FORMED at its inception at an epoch is your true PRESENCE within. Your Presence FORM is the EXPERIENCER, the PERCEIVER of the action or state of affairs. Why? because the FORM requires the information of it's surrounds experiences to Evolve it's HOST the human Being for both the BORN HOST and the FORM survival. How do you think we have come thus far.
You are Duality which means you are Seperate self. ie Your FORM is your true self and your physical body and brain is your BEING. Your Human Molecule is also Duality ie Elements and Biology. Hello!
If you dont breed to pass on your FORM within, then you have stopped your Form LINEAGE which is the Faculty for Consciousness. Consciousness cannot store/control/delete/form anything because it's no thing and no form, it's simply a tool implemented by your FORM to relay experiences.
The sooner you allow your FORM enlighten your brain of it's PRESENCE, the sooner you will realise you dont require external false teachings.
And who believes that belief?
he looks like Roger Penrose
its what it looks like.😂
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*NO ! Neither the human body nor its spirit is "LIFE The Real Self" ( AWARENERSS ) an Offspring and Child of "The LIGHT", which is "The LIFE of GOD" ! From "The Gospel [ ACCORDING TO ] John", in chapter 1, verse 4, Quote; In Him ( GOD ) was LIFE; and the LIFE was the LIGHT of Men. End Quote*
Well done. You got there from scripture. The Soul does not belong to the human. It is what God breathes into Adam.
We all live both & one. Which is 3. So....., seemingly we then separate one into the infinite center which is unity with universal life. Thanks for the memories Rupert.
@@levlevin182 Actually, no. The Soul is an infinite concious being that is both unborn and unawake. It does not belong to the host. I cite Revelation 12. The son of the woman cloaked in the Sun. They both see the serpent's face. They are both one. She and the Father. This tells you the next Christ is a woman.
@@nothinghere1996 *NO ! Next to my name is a 100% Accurate miniature Drawing of The SOUL Construct that is a Component of what biblical writings refer to as "The HOUSE of GOD" ! It fills your whole field of Vision.. Neither the human body, nor its spirit, nor The SOUL is "LIFEE The Real Self", an Offspring and Child of "The LIGHT" which is "The LIFE of GOD" ! From "The Gospel [ ACCORDING TO ] John", in chapter 1, verse 4, Quote; In Him ( GOD ) was LIFE; and the LIFE was the LIGHT of Men. End Quote... Regarding ADAM in the Genesis "Parable", he was a "Beast of The Field", and the Breath was the life of ADAM ( The human flesh ) But The LIGHT of Men ( "LIFE The Real Self" i.e. The LIGHT ) is "The LIFE of GOD" ! How do I know this ??? Because I, "LIFE The Real Self" went to "The Marriage Supper of The Lamb" ! I, also watched "The Birth of The MAN Child" ( Mentioned in The Revelation chapter 12...*
@@johnb8854 We can go another way. What lampstand does the Soul see when it is birthed?