Are My Thoughts the Cause of My Suffering?
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- In this discussion about the cause of suffering a questioner tries to make sense of an awakening experience that ended years of unhappiness, escapist behaviour, addiction and the need for psychiatric care. Do thoughts create suffering? And if the recognition of our true nature is not an experience why can the sense of joy, peace, calm, and being at home feel that way?
It's true that we try to escape the story of who we think we are but there's a lot more to experience than thinking and not all experience takes place through thinking. If you're suffering emotionally you have allowed yourself to become so mixed with the content of your experience that you believe I am this collection of thinking, feeling, sensing and perceiving. You have forgotten or overlooked who you truly are.
Just like physical pain is an intelligent signal saying you need to attend to the body, suffering is an intelligent signal from the mind that reminds us that we have overlooked or forgotten who we truly are. Instead of trying to fulfil the suffering or avoid it through objects, substances, etc. we should take it as a signal to go back to ourselves, which is the source of peace.
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Timestamps:
0:00 The Cause Of Suffering
0:42 Do Thoughts Cause Suffering?
1:12 Stop Telling Yourself Stories
1:40 Avoiding Suffering
2:29 Facing The Sense Of Lack
2:51 Is Awakening An Experience?
4:36 Why You're Not Happy
5:15 Are Happiness And Suffering Opposites?
5:33 Happiness Is The Natural State
6:15 Is Happiness A Feeling?
6:46 Happiness Is Never Absent
7:11 The Nature Of Being?
7:56 What Is Happiness?
9:08 The Absence Of Suffering
9:54 Be Your True Self
10:34 What Is Suffering?
11:09 How To Be Authentic
11:42 The Source Of Peace
12:11 Your Innate Peace
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Beautiful, helpful, kind, and inspiring. Grateful for your shared grace. Be blessed.
"suffering is an intelligent signal from the mind we have forgotten who we are in that moment."
i like this explanation, thanks
Thank you ❤With love, Rupert's team
"we have forgotten who we are"
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That's impossible to do because our TRUE NATURE is not something that we remember or not. I.e. everything that can be forgotten is NOT me. Can a person forget how to breath and saffocate as the result of that? Almost impossible. The same is true with our true nature. Even if we lose ALL the knowledge we will still be ourselves. Our true nature is not about REMEMBERING who we are. In opposite everything we know or remember about ourselves is false. Our true nature is INCOMPREHENCIBLE so how on Earth we can forget that we cannot understand?
"we have forgotten who we are in that moment."
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On the other hand, if a person plays a role and she forgets the role it makes her suffer. That's true.
The main problem of our society is that everyone plays a role of not who they really are.
Forgeting the role is what really matters. In other words we return to our true nature through forgetting and not through remembering. Our attencion is firmly held by our knowledge so we are slaves of our knowledge and the people who explain to us everything.
@@igorchemmykelly7202 either way,
believing I'm suffering is a matter of
how I see myself.
When your life is going well, you rarely acknowledge it, it just feels normal, this is the way it should be. But when things go bad, you become very aware.
But when things go bad, you become very aware.
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We usually say inside of us, "WTF is going on?" But in the Bible it is written, "But he said to her, «You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity?"
So something is wrong with our attitude to reality.
Every day when I wake up in the morning, the first thing I do is to check for a new release of Rupert’s videos. Today I was honored for being the first Like. God bless this man and all his followers
Lo mismo digo yo; poco a poco Rupert me lleva de la mano a ese lugar donde siempre estube¡¡¡ muchas gracias Rupert¡¡¡
They are no followers, only friends.
He has subscription website where you can view all of his content from these retreats , not saying anything with viewing just on UA-cam , but just thought I'd mention in case you didn't know :)
We are honored to have you here 🙏 With love, Rupert's team
Blessings to you too 🙏
It's easy to see that happiness is a constant when we look at animals & babies. They don't have stories about their lives in their minds; stories that distract us from inner peace.
the mind will never be happy with body identification
They also struggle all day everyday for survival.
They don't have stories about their lives
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But they still suffer.
They don't have stories
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Stories just ADD to the suffering. No more no less. The real cause of the suffering is not in stories.
FWIW, the Dalai Lama asked neuroscientist Richard Davison to do MRI scans on Tibetan Buddhist monks who were advanced meditators. (Richard Spira's spiritual approach rests on Buddhism & Hinduism more than on western traditions.). The scans showed their brain tissues are different from "normal" adults. MRI scans can show the level of emotional pain a person experiences. The monks were shown imagery of horrific suffering. They experienced more pain than normal people, but released the pain quickly & completely. This is what I meant when I wrote that babies are happier than adults. It doesn't mean they don't experience pain, but they don't have what Buddhism calls "suffering.". Babies cry without inhibitions but they don't have stories in their mind to increase the pain, so they stop crying real fast once the cause of crying is removed. The pain is increased when we resist it because the inner resistance adults have, makes this happen. Our stories (like; "nobody loves me," or "why do things like this happen to me?" or whatever) make the pain last much longer than need be. This is what I meant with "happiness is a constant," & yes, those words aren't precise, so I add precision now. Most adults, most of the time, are fussing with stories about their own past, in their minds, or filled with plans & ideas about the future, so they aren't fully alive RIGHT NOW. Babies & animals (& Buddhist monks who are adepts) feel life's pain more & completely let go real fast. It is why abused kids love & forgive their own parents (& don't want to lose them) when they are real little.
If you aren't fussing w stories in the mind, about the past & future, you are more alive in the moment, & therefore happier. It is why so many remember childhood with nostalgia.
Nice to see the guy behind on his phone 😅
Maybe taking notes.. 😊
Every day when I wake up in the morning, the first thing I do is not doing.
Just experiencing Pure Awareness / Self 💗
When I listen to Rupert it brings a refreshing element to my life which makes this journey on earth so so exciting. I want to practice listening to those intelligent signals so that I can know my true nature. How awesome everyone of us is, yes, made in the Image and likeness of God. I never really understood that until I found this man. I know it is God's will for everyone of us to operate and live from who we are in God, our true nature where peace, joy, love, happiness and all good resides. I thank God for this man who is showing me who I am.
Excellent, Ruperts analogy of clouds of sorrow and suffering (negative thoughts), veiling our natural state of blue sky of peace and happiness (life is joy), is the simplest and clearest explanation that I've ever heard. Brilliant.
It’s not just the psychological, it’s also the physical. When things are working normally with your teeth, you do not think or pay much attention. It is only when you have a toothache, that you become very aware of your teeth.
Thoughts Become Things
Excellent book by Mike Dooley
It’s all an illusion …like when we dream in sleep,,,Jagat Mithya ….Bramha satya….world. Is an illusion…Brahman is real…❤ 😊
That description of our true nature really resonates. You have an immense talent for articulation.Thank you, Rupert
We are not searching for the blue
The searcher is a cloud. The blue is elusive because the searcher is an imposter seeking to end suffering or thought or itself
Happiness suggests a quality . Stillness simply is
Great questions put forth by the questioner! And insightful explanation by Rupert.
Thank you 🙏 With love, Rupert's team
Spirit came down to have All types of experiences, light and darkness, goodness n badness, all are needed..
After a combination of goodness n badness done life after life, at last we attained a human body
Inorder to earned the MAXIMUM EXPERIENCES the spirit moves from lower consciousness kingdoms to higher ones,, finally it get s the Human Body...
Human body is the highest, more higher then Angels... In humans we get Free Will and a chance to earned God s grace or God s returned love.. this the truest path to permanent salvation
The Creator is within
Yes, suffering arises due to our concepts and beliefs (which are only thoughts).
Thank you! Wishing you all the best, Rupert's team
Our thoughts are within us, we are not within them, they can only ever have the power we give them.
ya except your body is in your mind. and if you think you are the body now you are inside thoughts
Great! Thank you! Greetings from Vienna
Rupert has changed my life❤
I think contentment may be a better word, at ease, peaceful.... complete,..
Actually its easy to understand if you remain in the "finite self" you have to suffer its a package.
Wherever our trueself the spirit goes, Mind follows
the happiness you speak of, to me, I call, contentment. I'm content with the good and bad things that have happened towards me and that I've experienced and performed. Contentment is comforting. Once I'm content, I try not to allow the imbalance back into my life.
Once I woke up in the morning without the usual knowledge of who I was. It was kind of scary, but I had my normal surroundings to help me remember who I was. For example, I thought, okay so I'm the guy who lives in this room, etc. Later I contemplated... what if a homeless person had that experience; waking up on a sidewalk with nothing personal around him to remind him of who he is? That could be why some homeless people seem to be crazy. Or what if this is what happens to the elderly and their family views that as a mental problem, e.g. "Alzheimer's" instead of seeing that the person is all there, just not the superficial part.
I use the word 'contentment' for the feeling described
Rupert is the brilliant as always
I love his metaphors. The underlying joy is realized through removing the clouds, not adding more to the sky.
I’ve come to the realization that this underlying joy, or lack of suffering, is also synonymous with love.
This was a great video clip....great questions lead to great inquiry and responses from Rupert ❤️
Mind is the controller of 3 worlds
Muchísimas gracias!!!❤🙏😊
Rupert was about to say “emptiness” but then he stop short of it 😊
Aside from Rupert’s massive healing presence, another very interesting, enjoyable, and sometimes amusing part of these videos are the variety of humanity that attend and interact with Rupert. But, I guess on UA-cam, we only see the Top Ten Dialogues. The other 90 percent might be even far more entertaining. Not that I come here for entertainment, but one cannot help but notice the passing show.
Hi Angelo! If you're looking for all of Rupert's meditations and dialogues, you can find the full archive on his website. Just check out the video description for the link. Hope that helps! With love, Rupert's team
@@Mati-RSTeam You are very kind. Thank you.
Thank you Rupert 🙏🏼❤
Thank you, too 🙏 With love, Rupert's team
Perhaps our true nature is the JOY of being - albeit at times veiled by conditioned negative emotional states, while HAPPINESS is very much human interpretation involving physiological, mental and emotional reactions and responses to situations/ human experiences.
Best content out there, anytime I think of something I would like to see you usually have a video on it.
You also make it simple to understand, great work.
Actually it's easy. To understand ourselves we have to think that we are computers and like computers we have "sensors" video camera ---- eyes; speakers ---- ears ; Microphone---mouth etc. All of these sensors provide us with information and it is stored or deleted depending on its importance. Our feelings are "programs" with which we are born, computers have "operating systems". We believe that a certain behavior will bring us "happiness", and it is true. But we can also use this "program" without certain behavior. In short: All these feelings are "programs" that we can choose ourselves, at any time. And that regardless of the situation in which we find ourselves
It's true that we try to escape the story of who we think we are but there's a lot more to experience than thinking and not all experience takes place through thinking. If you're suffering emotionally you have allowed yourself to become so mixed with the content of your experience that you believe I am this collection of thinking, feeling, sensing and perceiving. You have forgotten or overlooked who you truly are.
Just like physical pain is an intelligent signal saying you need to attend to the body, suffering is an intelligent signal from the mind that reminds us that we have overlooked or forgotten who we truly are. Instead of trying to fulfil the suffering or avoid it through objects, substances, etc. we should take it as a signal to go back to ourselves, which is the source of peace.
10:34: Suffering
12:18: Back and forth
Words fail me really, Thank You Rupert.
We've had a completely grey cloudy sky for weeks, this summer is a complete wash out in the SW of the UK. I adore the blue summer sky of summer and the wonderful warmth, but this summer could have been totally depressing. I've given up remembering all the past years of beautiful summers. Cold and wet but it's fine as it is, and I no longer suffer.
Our values make our egos. Thanks.
Been enjoying Rupert spira insights for sometime and I like this explanation more than his “screen” analogy he used to repeat. His point reminds me of a song by roger miller (the rooster from Disney’s robinhood) “you can’t roller skate through a buffalo heard, but you can be happy, if you have a mind to.”
So strange that someone could be in such a place with this level of discussion going on and be totally immersed in his cellphone!!! (The guy directly behind the questioner)
How to get rid of those gray clouds? 😔how to feel our true nature ? It's years I'm looking for an answer. couldn't find it yet!!
Thank you Rupert, your explanations are so simple and clear xxx
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It seems the mind holds one in so called suffering, it makes sense the mind will release the shackles
It's an interesting analogy. Whether joy and love is our natural state is debatable. Eg. If the blue sky is equivalent to our natural self, then the blue sky is only intensely felt, due to the contrasting effect of the grey clouds. But without the grey clouds around for long periods, the blue sky becomes more of a subtle neutral experience again. As we readjust to our natural state. Just like going for a peaceful walk. Eg. After a while, the experience becomes numbed down again, to the point that we wish to feel something through the effect of 'contrasting experience'. Which I believe is why we keep incarnating back from heaven over and over again. Eg. The state of heaven, is like jumping into a hot spa pool, from having endured a bitter cold storm. It feels like ecstasy for a few hours, then it gets tedious boring and unbearable again. Which is why we reincarnate back to Earth, in order to feel that sense of 'ecstasy' again. As heaven is not eternal ecstasy as is often made out. Ecstasy is always the contrasting effect, of jumping from one state into an opposite state. Eg. Hot into cold, or cold into hot. But once we acclimate to one state, it becomes like a mundane experience again.
It seems that our suffering is the CAUSE of our thoughts and not vice versa. Blaming thoughts of our suffering is like blaming our shadows of trowing out something from the table.
Id love to hear more about this idea? I see that with the body, there is dysregulation from samskaras, and thoughts come on behalf of this dysregulation as a protection or an attempt to escape, but please share more about your idea
@@wideworldcoaching OK, I’m not an expert in this. Just some thoughts. Suffering is real and thoughts are what seems to us. Something that is real can be the cause of what is not real but opposite is impossible. Our minds can see only what is not real. It’s like we take a picture of suffering and we look at that picture of suffering and we think that we observe real suffering. That’s not true. The picture of suffering(our thoughts) is not real. And we can’t see real suffering. But we blame the picture(our thoughts) for what is on that picture(suffering). For example somebody took a picture of a car crash and she thought that the cause of the car crash was the picture she took. So she destroyed the picture in hope to solve the problem of the car crash. It was silly.
Thoughts don’t matter. They just show to us that something is not good. To fight the thoughts doesn’t help. On the other hand the thought is our enemy because it keeps us in the prison of what isn’t real. Being in the prison of what isn’t real we can’t deal with real suffering. To solve the problem of suffering we must break out of the prison first. So we can’t KNOW what suffering is because knowing is the function of the mind and it doesn’t help to face real suffering. So the mind can’t deal with suffering DIRECTLY and namely the mind prevents us from facing suffering. The mind is like a toy for a baby that keeps us busy. The toy doesn’t help the baby to get rid of suffering when it is hungry for example. That’s it. I don’t know what to say more.
@@igorchemmykelly7202 Interesting! What would you say is the cause of suffering then?
@@Saliha-71 Suffering is the cause of suffering. In other words suffering has no other cause outside itself. At first , suffering is small but then suffering doesnt want to suffer and it tryes to end itself and that creates even more suffering.
We never stop thinking?
Words or verbal concepts are one type. Emotional mechanical instintive sexual are other types. The idea that concepts ,verbal or intellectual thinking is a trap we must escape is missleading
"If you don´t escape, if you allow the suffering to be there, if you are ready to face it, if you are not trying somehow to forget it, then you are different. Suffering is there but just around you; it is not in the center, it is on the periphery. It is impossible for suffering to be in the center; it is not in the nature of things. It is always on the periphery and you are the center.
So when you allow it to happen, you don´t escape, you don´t run, you are not in a panic, suddenly you become aware that suffering is there on the periphery as if happening to someone else, not to you, and you are looking at it. A subtle joy spreads all over your being because you have realized one of the basic truths of life, that you are bliss and not suffering."
Thank you :)
This really was well explained ❤
the finger is not the moon
@@mikelisteral7863 and what you're pointing to is well explained ;)
This man speaks the truth. He uses the analogy of patches of blue sky and grey clouds to portray happiness and suffering. He could have also used sunlight and cloud where the sun could not have shined through the cloud for you to see things clearly. You're being clouded and you suffer as a result since you cannot see where there is no light. But human beings are conditioned in a way to lead them to think that...that is all there is. They failed to see that there is no such things as darkness because when you shine a light into it, darkness is no more. It is only there due to the absence of light not because it is a complete separate entity that exist along with the light. This is also why human beings think that there is a devil or Satan. But these entities do not exist...they're all created by humans. Every human being can create their own heaven or hell.
Have you also noticed that everything in this world are in pair, male female, light darkness, right hand left hand. This is because GOD are two in one as the father is in the son and son is in the father and we have our imprint of both since we're manifested from them. But the father always ruled over the son because the father is LOVE and is manifested into WISDOM. What is manifested does not exist, it is only an appearance. It is only there to serve what is LOVE. But without one or the other, nothing would have existed. They go hand in hand just as the sunlight go hand in hand with its warm and light because the warm of the light correspond to love and the light correspond to wisdom. If you take away its warm, then the light is like the light of the winter...where man can use it to see things but without warmness, he can be coldhearted. And if you take away the light but leave behind the warm, man now not only can't see things, they now cease to exist because they have no hearts. Hence, the heart always rules just as your heart ruled over your lung. If it were not so, why do you think you're still alive when you stop breathing but heart still beating? But dead as soon as the heart stop beating? Because the heart correspond to LOVE and it rules over everything.
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The thoughts are a lower activity compared to pure awareness which occurs naturally ...but once you "observe it" the thought process drags it down to its level. Offering people prizes for getting there is a carrot to a dumb seeker aggravating the thought imposter seeker...lifting himself up by his sho laces
0:33 I think it is essential to understand the difference between thinking and thought.
As there is usually a lot of misty confusion within and all around the word ``thinking``, and no clear reasoning about the subject of thinking is usually brought into being.
As a matter of fact .. in most cases, when we think we think we do not actually think .. but we rather put one thought after another to assemble a type of reasoning ..
And thought is always a thing of the past, plus it is conditioned by countless amount of factors (such as cultural conditioning, family conditioning, environmental conditioning, acquired knowledge and information, anecdotal things, personal experiences, strong opinions, beliefs, and so on).
I think that thinking is the physical process of energy and chemical flow along neurones and synapses, and thoughts are the resulting subjective energy image product.
You can't think without producing thoughts, and you can't have thoughts without thinking. they are inextricably linked.
Thoughts only exist in the now. In order to remember a thought, you have to rethink it in the now. If you are remembering the past, you are thinking it in the now. Similarly if you are imagining the future, you are thinking it now.
Thinking produces thoughts and thoughts inspire thinking, and further thinking produces more thoughts.
It is a self perpetuating train of thinking thoughts, thinking, thoughts.
During thinking, more possibilities are offered by the working memory from the subconscious mind. so whilst thinking a complexed thought or series of thoughts, more thinking is involuntarily offering more thoughts for inclusion from the working memory into the thinking thought train.
@@isaac1572 I would say that what you just described here is in fact thought.
Or what we call thought processes, which are indeed material phenomena, as they happen in the brain thanks to the chemical/electric/mnemonic components combined with the information one has acquired throughout their lifetime.
Thinking is the activity of consciousness that can either be completely influenced by thoughts or can rather supervise and observe their interferences.
@@diegokricekfontanive Do you think this could be touching on the hard problem of consciousness. The physical, production process of thinking, that produces the subjective energy of consciousness that then facilitates thought.
Once a thought has been processed in the thinking mind, it is then relegated to the subconscious mind and only reappears via the working memory during the next relevant thinking event.
@@isaac1572 Yes, I think that understanding the difference between the dynamics of thought and those of thinking is an excellent (and necessary) framework and approach to the hard problem of consciousness.
Particularly the problem that sees thought involving time (thought is always emerging from contents stored in the brain in the past) while the act of thinking instead occurs throughout the succession of moments in which in fact we think (we do not think ``yesterday or tomorrow `` but rather we think at the very moment in which we think).
@@diegokricekfontanive If thought and thinking are inextricably linked, then they must both occur in the 'now' simultaneously, but be stored over time. So is it more likely that it/they are stored in the subconscious, as a unique circuit of potential energy and chemical flow to activate the thinking, and thus reproduce the same thought, or is it more likely that the thought, the blob of produced energy, is stored ready to re-inspire the thinking process.
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We are never not thinking…
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Thank you Rupert for spreading the true enlightment. Just this video enogh for the whole life 🤍🤍🤍🙏🙏🙏
I wonder why he never( to my knowledge) mentions Bishop Berkeley who believed there was no physical world?
Hello thank you...but the blues Sky is alors an illusion due to rhe seas of the earth ...in réallity isn t there only Blackness like in the univers ? Sorry for my bad english 😊 and rhank you for all..
i guess i have entered "The Gates of Hell" then (pause), for i never stop thinking. I Am "Aware" although. 🤔
Thoughts, no.
Suffering comes from attachment to, identification with, thought.
No. No one ever had a thought themselves, rather thoughts happen. No one ever suffered a thought either.
I tend to agree with this ( i think ). There are no original thoughts.
@@wattaura7621 point to a thought....💭
@@LifesInsight the music is still in the room even though the radio is switched off.
@@LifesInsight inside and outside, lovely ideas
@@MassiveLibTrust me, I don't take these mental gymnastics seriously one bit. I just have fun with this stuff and try to remain 'aware' as much as possible. Thoughts are of the mind, now point to a mind. Balls in your court. 😅
NO...
THOUGHTS, A BUG, ME, A FLY, YOU, FEAR, TIGER, PAIN, BEAR, WORRIES, BUNNY, SUFFERING... ARE ONE HAPPENING. You are just separating them and conceptualizing them. and they appeared separate. NOTHING is caused by the other. Life is happening all by itself..
When life is happening and we step back from our thinking, we are left with a base feeling. That feeling can be described as a warm, fuzzy glow, or maybe peace and happiness. Maybe that base feeling of 'being' is different for different people, but it is definitely something and it is definitely real.
@@isaac1572 When you said you were stepping back from thinking, that is an action that requires a performer; it is a fact. You step back? Who is doing the stepback?
There is no you and me. The problem and the solution, the destructive thoughts, and stepping back The cause and the result: Everything is just one thing happening; nothing is giving the problem and no one is looking for a solution; everything is like a movie; even this conversation of ours is not ours; there is no ours; it happens all by itself, and there is only witnessing.
@@assessoroffice7212 HA HA😀, I love your fully enlightened position on this situation, but even the fully enlightened have to return to a mindset of thoughts, interpretation and opinion in order to think and respond to a comment.
So enlightenment is a state of being that has no emotion, no intellect and no ego. In that state you are unable to move your body and so unable to communicate. I am envious of those that can achieve an enlightened state of mind as part of their daily routine, but it can't be a permanent state of being. To those of us observing from reality, it presents as a thoughtless trance, noway to spend all of your time.
@@isaac1572 Who gave you the idea of enlightenment? I assumed you'd learned it from others; that is the problem of reading or listening to somebody's experience. Their experience is not your experience; you just try to recreate the idea of enlightenment with your own thoughts and imagination, which is a purely distorted result. The truth is pathless, and not even your human mind can grasp it. You have to discover the truth all by yourself without anybody's help. There is no anybody.
@@assessoroffice7212 I agree with what you say. My talking about enlightenment is akin to someone who has never tasted coffee, talking about and comparing various coffees. Have a fair intellectual understanding, but no direct experience.
Am I wrong in understanding, that when someone is in an enlightened state, they can neither think thoughts, communicate or act?
Yes
But not only my thoths
You re too
When God separated from man toock his power of manifestation from youre will to not interfier with His will
Things in life become a habit. You can actually practice making yourself down or up. So, work on practicing good thoughts of you and your world around you. The hard part is changing a habit over years of time. But, with enough practice the good thoughts flow naturally like the bad ones once did. See? Cool. 😎
Archangel Michael
We should thank Jiddu Krishnamurti for his 60 years of inquiry and insights.
well if you don’t think your mind stays like a blank canvas 😅
The blue sky is definitely not always there in California. I lived on the coast of California for most of my life. Just saying…🩵☺️🩵
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