Whole latte love is the undisputed, no.1 in the world, coffee-appliance review channel. The various aspects, and the depth of the analysis covered by your reviews is amazing. On top of this your reviews are also very receptive and easy to digest for all types of audiences. Keep the good work up! Best G
Hands down, the DE1+ Pressure profiling, flow profiling, PID temperature control, real-time graphs of every shot you pull, and pricing is less than the R58. It's hard to beat the feature set+price point.
No love to Breville? They seem to be good for where they price their products. I like the bang for my buck and am impressed with all the details they put effort in. They look good (I only care for large items that have to sit out on the counter not be put away), having every bit and bobs store behind the drip tray, the use of little magnets to lock pieces in place. Surprised no one else has picked up on these details.
Hi RC84, I have given lot's of love to Breville in previous videos like this one: ua-cam.com/video/2F7etUZrzKQ/v-deo.html which point out many of the details you mention. The reason Breville did not make this list? It's in the title. This video is about "Machines". In my book Breville products are appliances. Breville does a fantastic job of putting desirable features into their products at an attractive price point. The design touches like tray storage, accessories, excellent manuals and even the power cord are top notch. In the end there are sacrifices in build quality, materials, serviceability and longevity to get to a price point.
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc, was thinking of getting an expresso machine which is how I landed on Whole Latte Love. My predicament is that at entry level the only two decent machines available is the Delonghi EC680M DEDICA & the Gaagia Classic which is almost double in price here in India. Is the Gaggia Classic worth double the price? What's your suggestion?
Hi K, a couple of key differences... The Delonghi is an appliance grade product. The Gaggia is a true machine - it's user serviceable down the road and parts are readily available. Delonghi uses a smaller than standard pressurized filter basket. That's good if using pre-ground coffee or grinding fresh in a lower cost grinder. The Gaggia has the pressurized basket as well as a standard non-pressurized basket and it's full commercial size at 58mm. With a decent grinder it can make a much bertter espresso than the Delognhi.Marc
Sup Marc! Thanks for your always informative videos. In that one video you did about the Bezzera BZ07, you say that a pre-brew flush is needed while in this more general a video you say that HX machines with a PID do not need a pre-brew flush. Is the Bezzera BZ07 an exception when it comes to that?
Hi t, You are welcome and thanks for the comment and question. There are many HX machines with PID that can go without the flush. But there is some variability. Should a machine be on and idle for long periods the temperature can creep up. Also ambient temps, shot frequency and temp of water in the reservoir play a roll. Best thing to do is check the flow of water from the group prior to pulling a shot. If there's lots of steam, hissing, turbulent flow then the machine should be flushed for a few seconds until flow from the group is nice and even.
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you! Which ones can go without the flush? Having to still temp surf while having a machine with pid is something I would like to avoid.
Hi Michael, Thanks for the comment. Those panels are cool! If you look close, you get a glimpse of a Matrix in the best branding design honorable mention for the Bezzera logo. Marc
Hi Marc, I choose the 700 over the synchronica because 700 was 2019. I get it in a week. For me it was a $200 difference. So little. Technically synchronica was only $100 more because I would not have to buy a tamper. I get why you choice for synchro over 700. I can even change my mind as I don't even get 700 in a week. But I think I made a really solid choice and I stand by it :)
Hi DW, Thanks for the comment. I like both machines! My daily driver is a Pro 700. As you discovered, the Synchronika comes with the tamper. Only other differences between the machines are lever valves on the Synchronika, higher level finishing detail and super easy access to Synchronika internal components. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Agreed. I absolutely LOVED how the r58 looked. Just stunning, but I need an onboard PID and didn't love the insides compared to 700. I thought r58 was nice of all of them. Synchro was great and I tested. Loved the levers. 700 was not even in stock for me to see or test out. But 700 was newest update. If Synchro had a 2019 update, I would probably have got it. But 700 is such a solid decision I feel. You could loose your mind trying to decide :)
Hi Chris, Thanks for the question and sorry for the delayed response - I've been on vaca and offline for the last week. We do carry the LM GS3. The Linea is a machine we have chosen not to stock at this point. Marc
True, another example how big US market can have what they want. Though, some budget priced EU branded models with most of features are cheaper over here.
I still own a Baby Gaggia with I bought "refurbished" from you guys 4 years ago.. Since then I have replaced the pump and by-passed the thermoswitch but it make great espresso.
Hi Tony, Thanks for the report. It's too bad Gaggia no longer makes machines like the Baby, Color and similar models. Not quite the same build quality as the Classic but they had commercial size portafilters and in the right hands make excellent espresso! Marc
Although different group head types, it would be awesome to see how the GS3 compares to the ECM Sync!! Please advise if a video is in the works.... Cheers, Joe BTW I love my synchronika and E37s Touch but would love to see these two head to head.
Hey there, a few months ago I purchased a Ceado E37S from you guys and now I would like to purchase the ECM Synchronika. I see you can save ~150 when purchasing both of these, any way I can get this discount still if I order the ECM this week? Thanks!
Have you had the opportunity to try the Gaggia Classic 2019 version yet? It would be interesting to hear your opinion since it builds upon the solenoid valve version.
Hi Tor, Thanks for the question. We have a 2019 Classic in-house under going testing at the moment. Liking it a lot! Manual steam wand and more. Look for a video in a few weeks. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage perfect! So far, would you say it's worth double the price of the 2015 European version? And what are the obvious downsides of the 2015 euro version compared to the 2019 and original classics?
Hej! Thanks to your program, I've convinced myself to the coffee machines. However, thanks to you, I selected 5 models: ECM Synchronika, Profitec PRO 700, Lelit Bianka, Rocket R58, Bezzera Martix. I don't know which is the best, the most durable, the most solid and can make the best brew. I am asking for a hint, suggesting which one? Thank you very much.
Hi PL, Thanks for the question. IMO I'd go with the Synchronika with flow control: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-synchronika-dual-boiler-with-flow-control It's without question my favorite dual boiler machine. It and the Pro 700 have nearly identical internal components and identical capabilities. Pro 700 sells for a little less but I'd pay extra for the Synchronika's angled portafilters and upgrade external finish details. Marc
What are the benefit to plumbed in a machine other than not doing refills ? It seems in your video there is a difference for pre-infusion when plumbed in or not? Is the ECM synchronika would still be your top choice for someone who do not want to plumbed in?
Hi Jean, Thanks for the question. There is a difference in preinfusion in non-plumbed vs. plumbed machine. When not plumbed what you get is pre-wetting. Just a little water pushed out of the boiler but under very little pressure. When plumbed, ECM and Profitec dual boiler, rotary pump machines like the Synchronika and the Pro 700 apply incoming line pressure to the coffee at the pre-infusion postion of the E61 group lever. Not all machines do that as most manufactures have a solenoid valve on the plumbed in connection which only opens when the pump runs. With the machine plumbed in you can install an in-line water filter and use a pressure regulator to control the pre-infusion pressure. Water filters are always a good idea on dual boiler machines as they are rather difficult for home users to deacale. A system like the BWT Bestmax can eliminate the need to descale a machine: www.wholelattelove.com/bwt-bestmax-premium-filter-package This system does all the normal things filters do like remove chlorine and particulates. Then goes a step further and exchanges scale causing calcium with magnesium. This exchange maintains a mineral level for proper extractions and good flavor while eliminating new scale deposits. Marc
please review the iberital ib7 2gr, its only cost us$2000 here in my country, with the 11lt boiler heat exchanger and rotary pump, volumetric.. hard to say no for me to buy this machine
Hi Mark. I have a Nespresso creatista plus. It claims it does latte art and is a great machine however it’s fully automated as it has different settings to texturise the milk. Any tips for getting some decent latte art with this in your experience? Many thanks
Hi Marc, Sorry I have not used that Nespresso product. For latte art you want the finest possible texture to the milk and a uniform texture through the milk prior to attempting a pour. Honestly, I have not used many non-traditional frothing methods which are good at producing latte art quality froth. If you really want to do art it's best to froth with a manual steam wand. That said, one can help less than perfect froth by knocking a pitcher on counter to break larger bubbles, swirling milk in pitcher or pouring milk back and forth between two pitchers to create a finer well mixed froth. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi. I am in front of hard decission :). Should I go for Gaggia New Clasic or Rancilio Silvia? I am from europe where these machines are little bit different thanks to the EU legislation (of course in a bad way). Anyway offered Gagia model is modified one by seller - has the same materials, has selenoid valve and had same materials as old Gaggia clasic. Plus it has disabled auto switch off functiality. This special model has also changed aluminium difusser with brass one. Machine is still quite cheaper. What do you thing. Is it still big difference compare to more expensive Rancilio? My wife still tell that I change machines every two year. I cannot do it again - men pride. So I need to decide for machine for another three years.
Hi MUQ, Thanks for the comment. How can I help end your confusion? They are functionally identical internally. What you get with the Synchronika beyond that is: The easiest to open up espresso machine on the market. If you're the type to get inside you will appreciate! Single piece frame chassis - no welds. Angled and balanced portafilters with chrome accents which match the group lever and E61 drain. Extra refinement of the body panels and a very nice ECM etched tamper. Synchronika is available with black Anthracite body panels.Marc
Marc, what is the rebound time between the brewing and pulling a double shot for lattes, for example if I have a family gathering and need to prepare 7-8 lattes which would be on weekends so 4 times a month on average, would I need to wait a long time to finish my 7-8 latte drinks or this machine would be able to handle it? If wait will be needed to rebound, what other Profitec machine would you recommend? I would like to avoid Pro 700 as I’m not I. A budget for that machine. Would Pro 600 be my best bet? Or 500 would be just fine? Thank you for your time sir in replying to my question!!!
Hi Igor, Thanks for the question. Apologies for my delayed response. Been offline for a week and just catching up. Really depends on how fast you make the lattes. Either machine can do them fairly rapidly. Both will recover by the time you've ground, tamped, loaded the next shot and refilled your pitcher. The 600 will be more stable with brew temp with isolated boiler. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Tomasz, Thanks for the question. The Expobar Brewtus has ceased production. Currently we have a couple left in stock but only the plumbable Brewtus model which does not have a reservoir. It's a fine machine but I'd only go with that if you are comfortable with a machine that must be plumbed to water line. The Pro 500 PID is my favorite HX boiler machine. While the Brewtus is built like a tank, the Pro 500 PID is more refined in the casework and internal components. Hope that helps! Let me know if you have anymore quesstions. Marc
Hi LC, Thanks for the question. The brewing process is similar in some ways. Keurig and espresso machines both force water through ground coffee under pressure. In most cases, the pressure is higher in an espresso machine. The major differences: K-cups are much more expensive per serving than starting with whole bean coffee. Typically 2-4 times the cost. Average K-cup contains about 8g of coffee. Quality whole bean coffee can be purchased for $20/kg. At that price, 8g is 16 cents. espresso and coffee made from freshly ground whole beans is far better with more aroma and deeper flavor than pre-ground coffee in a throw away plastic cup. All that said, many consumers are willing to trade quality and higher per cup cost for the convenience of Keurig appliances. But there are bean to cup super automatic machines which are even more convenient. They cost more upfront but produce a much better coffee at a much lower cost per cup with no plastic to throw away. These super-autos can make regular size cups of coffee, espresso and make milk based drinks like cappuccino, latte and more. Best value in this type of machine is the Gaggia Brera: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-brera-espresso-machine-in-black Marc
It's always a pleasure to follow your video reviews that showcase machines with breathtaking looks and superb build quality! My purchase dates back to just over 5 days ago and I am proud to have chosen a product of our Italian excellence that from its boasts an innovative paddle placed in the outlet group E61 that allows to modulate the pressure of water supply.. I'm talking about the lelit Bianca that nothing has to envy to other machines in the look and in the build quality.. I would love to have professionals like you in my city to be able to make the most of all the peculiarities and features of this jewel that I have in the house 🍵
Hey Mark, so I am definitely wanting to get into making espresso next year and would like something that I can get better at throughout the years. Right now, my fiancee and I have the Breville Dual Temp Pro on our wedding registry. I am planning on getting the Breville BCG820BSSXL Smart Grinder Pro Burr Grinder, as well. If I want the machine to be more manual so that I can improve, as I make espresso throughout the years, would you say the Breville is a good option? Would the Gaggia Classic Pro be better?
Hi NH, Congrats on getting married! So marriage is forever right? your machine and grinder should be too! If you like the Breville's go with it. But... Understand they are appliance grade products. Unlike your marriage they are unlikely to stand the test of time. If thinking longterm I'd really consider a true machine grade product. The Classic Pro is machine grade. If you'll be doing a lot of milk drinks consider a machine with an HX or dual boiler. You'll tire of the wait on a single boiler machine (or appliance) to steam milk. Check out my top picks for 2019 machines! The Classic Pro is in there (no appliances though) as well as step up machines: ua-cam.com/video/LvUHbiIiP-c/v-deo.html Marc
for the entry level , and for espresso only shots , what flavor diff is there between ESE pods and grinding your own? how does illy ese compare to fresh ground? do ese pods have their freshness protected (nitrogen filled)? are there shot brewing advantages of the honorable mentions? what reasons might there be too consider one of the honorable mentions?
Hi JK 24, Thanks for the questions. There's a huge flavor/quality difference between ESE pods and grinding fresh! That said, for many ESE pods are acceptable and offer convenience. They reduce the initial cost of getting into espresso as you don't need a grinder. But you are compromising on quality and long term they end up costing more in comparison to grinding your own fresh. To the best of my knowledge most packagers of pre-ground coffee use nitrogen packaging. I do not know for certain if that is the case for all. Honorable mention machines generally have the same capabilities as the winners in each category. In some cases they cost more but have the same capabilities. In others, they may a have a slight advantage but a much higher price that's difficult to justify in comparison to the winner. Was there a particular honorable mention machine you'd like to know more about? If so I'd be happy to compare and give my opinions. Marc
Hi FP, Thanks for the question. So the Classic is a single boiler and the Office Lever is a HX boiler. Very different using each machine as you cannot brew and steam at same time on the Classic and you can on the Lever. If you don't do milk drinks a lot then a single boiler is fine and can save you $$. If you do milk drinks all the time you will regret a single boiler at some point unless you are willing to sacrifice convenience for lower price. The Lever is the best value in HX machines. If you go single boiler options are ECM Casa: www.wholelattelove.com/ecm-casav-semi-automatic-espresso-machine and Rancilio Silva: www.wholelattelove.com/rancilio-silvia-m-espresso-machine Casa is worth the money compared to the Silvia. Much better build quality. Marc
Great video. Any chance you could do the same 'best of' comparing heat exchanger volumetric control machines? Would love to hear your opinions and comparison of the Expobar Office Control, Nuova Simonelli Musica, Sab Noble, etc. Thanks
Hi Jeremy, Thanks for the request. Here's a video which compares all the Expobar office models: ua-cam.com/video/lh_uE2wK2EI/v-deo.html The Musica runs about $1,000 more than the Office machines but is NSF and has a more detailed exterior. Marc
If the price is not a problem, Can you please compare between ECM Synchornika vs La Marzocco Linea Mini? Pros ,Cons and different taste of coffee between both in the same coffee. I am hardly considering both of them after I had seen reviews. I am in Thailand that has a few brand of espresso machines which selling in Thaland.
Hi Dec, Thanks for the question. Both are very nice machines. You say price is not a problem but will mention here in the US the Linea costs a lot more than the Synchronika. Personally I prefer the Synchronika. When plumbed in with a pressure regulator you can do whatever type of pre-infusion you like on the Synchronika. On the Linea pre-infusion is preset and to best of my knowledge not adjustable. Also like the shot timer in the display of the PID on the ECM. Characterizing the taste differences is difficult given the variables involved. I will say you'll get more control over flavor with the ability to adjust pre-infusion as you like with the Synchronika. Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you very much Marc. This suggestion flashed through my mind that why I want a hi-end machine why I have to wake up to grind, to temp, to brew just a cup of coffee. Thank you very much. ^_^
why ECM didn't put PID on Technika? Technika looks good, but I have difficult time pulling morning shot if I'm on the rush - eventually used hot water lever to make americano :D
Great Video and I really appreciate your testing methodology. Why don‘t you test Dalla Corte machines as well? They‘ve got an innovative brewing unit. Would be interesting to compare to the E61. Best regards, Matthias
Mark, I was all set to get a La Marzocco Linia Mini but after watching this video you have me questioning the machine. Can you tell me your opinion? Thanks
Hi John, I use a GS3 on a regular basis but do not use the mini. For me, it's hard to justify the price difference between something like the ECM Synchronika and the Linea. Linea ropes you into a factory preset pre-infusion. On the Synchronika or Profitec Pro 700 you can line pressure pre-infuse however you like when plumbed in and adjust the pre-infusion pressure via a pressure reducer on a filter system like this: www.wholelattelove.com/bwt-bestmax-premium-filter-package (that's how my Pro 700 is setup). If getting a dual boiler machine I strongly suggest an in-line filter system! As far as I know, the US version of the Linea is not plumbable. I like the shot timer so I'd miss that on the Linea. We've steamed side by side with the Synchronika and the LM GS3 and performance is about the same. You can see the Synchronika and GS3 steaming in this video and learn more about the recent steam pressure upgrade to the Synchronika: ua-cam.com/video/1dlNkWFsAIQ/v-deo.html Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any other questions! Marc
Hi Rony, Thanks for the question. Forgetting about pre-infusion the ECM and Mini are equally capable. They both deliver accurate brew temps etc. With the ECM plumbed including an inline pressure reducer as described in my comment above you can play with pre-infusion time/pressure to affect an extraction. You could in theory do Slayer style shots with long low pressure pre-infusion with that setup. It's my understanding pre-infusion time/pressure on the Mini is preset and not adjustable. Marc
Could you please make a review on the SAB Pratika? I own this machine and I am impressed by its functionality and simplicity. Seems to be a Macchiavalley, too. Know only to Germans, maybe. Takes 10mins to power up, pump sounds lovely, 1 button operation, good valves, good steam power, 58mm and go. Killer feature of this machine is that the developer says, if you don´t like the logo, you can rub it off ;-) Is it even available to you in the US?
@@Wholelattelovepage Marc, you might consider to check out this machine. It´s not made exactly for the US market, because there is strictly no bling. It is no more or less than a half-size tank-filled pro machine. And having seen your considerations in your vid "How to Choose a Prosumer Espresso Machine" I must say it meets all your specs. Had it open the day I got it. It´s simply pro technology in a small package, 58mil and all. Also, the REALLY cheap price comes from SAB´s practice of unsing only available industry standard parts. Check it out on rimprezza.de
Hi KJ, Thanks for the question. So I consider Breville to be "appliances" as opposed to "machines". The applainces do not have the same build quality, longevity expectation or user serviceability you'd get in a hand crafted machine. But, they are reasonable for those with a lower budget seeking a larger feature set than you'd get in a similarly priced machine. Very important to keep up on the maintenance of Breville products. Do that and you'll get a good run from them. Marc
Thanks for the great video! I have the Pro 700 from WLL and would like to plumb the machine with a Bestmax system. I am concerned about the high chloride in our water though, and potential repercussions from using a weak acid cation system. Any wisdom from you Mark would be greatly appreciated.
It varies throughout the year but levels at 125 mg/L are not uncommon. We also have sulfate levels in excess of 150 mg/L most of the year. If you have a contact at BWT I can send our complete water analysis to them.
Hi, Heard back from BWT. Here is their response: "There is no impact from the weak acid resin process as long as the blending setting is done correct. However Chlorides can be a cause for corrosion...The high chlorides in your customers water can only be addressed with an RO system." Please let me know if you're still interested in supplying BWT with your complete water analysis for their recommendations on treatment. Marc
Marc, thanks for the follow up. My apologies for the delay but I have been out of town. Our complete water numbers can be found here under the Thaynes Canyon heading www.parkcity.org/home/showdocument?id=10190 Also, the forum thread which originally drew my attention to this matter can be found here www.home-barista.com/water/warning-chloride-sulfate-levels-with-weak-acid-cation-softeners-e-g-everpure-claris-t31120.html . I am currently using RO in combination with mineral water but would like to get to a plumbed solution. Unfortunately, our water here is really challenging so my search continues. Thanks for taking an interest and helping!
Hi! If I’d want the North American version and live in Sweden... do I ask the dealers in Sweden if they can import it? Also, I compared it to Sage Brevilla Bambino Plus. Do you have any experience of this machine? The Breville is easier to purchase here in Sweden. Thanks!
Whole Latte Love yes this is true, I know:). I was wondering if you had any experience regarding Sage model “bambino plus” in comparison with the Gaggia Classic?
Hi, Sorry I do not. I had a look at the Bambino. It appears to be more of an appliance grade which is less serviceable down the road. The Classic is a true machine. Take care of it and no reason why it will not give a decade or more of service. Marc
Hi Levi, Thanks for the question. We are very excited too! So excited we made one of our regular visits to the Profitec factory outside Milan, Italy to check out the 600. In case you missed it here's video from that visit with more details on the Pro 600: ua-cam.com/video/ebdzV7dExa8/v-deo.html We will have more videos coming on the Pro 600 in the coming weeks. In the meantime if you have any specific questions I'd be happy to answer. Marc
Thanks Marc, I really enjoyed the sneak peak profitec 600 video! Looking forward to the in-depth analysis. You guys always have very informative and educational videos, thanks! Ciao!
Whole Latte Love I hear ya marc lol i’ll let you tell the story ... All kidding aside love your channel it’s the most informative about coffee equipment there is . The video that you and Todd broke down the pro 700 touched home for me I am a mechanical technician who works on office size equipment all the way up to freezers the size of a super Walmart so I can appreciate the parts breakdown and I understand them and a lot of the same components such as solenoids check valves control modules etc. is used in my type of equipment in refrigeration . At the moment I’m using a Brevell dual boiler that I bought two months ago to replace my old Rancilio Silvia that I allowed to go down with lack of maintenance go figure LOL The machine is not bad and it is actually pretty good for its price for what you get but its an appliance however I know I can do better and I’m looking at longevity And I’ve been on the fence I do love Rockets product and once you’ve had a double boiler you can’t go back so I was staring towards the R 58 but I’ve got to tell you I am very impressed by the 700 and, well, I’m not gonna pay quite a few hundred dollars more just for some stamping of a name on an item so I am most likely sold on the 700 and will most likely be ordering it from you guys ...
Hi Mark, I would like to know what is your point of view between getting one of these three machines for home use only. The profitec pro 300 Gaggia Breville Barista pro. Thanks in advance.
Hi Saad, Thanks for the question. 3very different machines. The Pro 300 and Gaggia Classic are true machines while the Breville is what I consider appliance grade. What that means is the Gaggia and Profitec have a much higher build quality. With proper maintenance they'll run for decades. If/when they need service it can be performed by the end user. The Breville is not user serviceable and I would not expect anywhere near the service life of the appliance vs. the machines. What the Breville offers is a lot of features for a low price. The Breville is factory made in China with lots of plastic parts. Both the Gaggia and Profitec machines are hand assembled in Italy. The Gaggia Classic is a single boiler machine. It cannot brew and steam milk at the same time. The Pro 300 is a compact dual boiler machine with PID temperature control of the brew boiler. With dual boilers you can brew and steam milk at the same time. With PID brew temps are rock solid as compared to the Gaggia Classic which uses standard thermostats for temperature control. The thermostats allow for a variance in boiler temp so brew temp is not as consistent as what you'll get on the 300. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Saad, We have a number of videos of the beautiful Pro 300 available via the product page here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-300-dual-boiler-espresso-machine Marc
Hi Rui, I sure do! If you search our channel for "Duo" we have 5 videos on the Duo including this one comparing the MN and DE versions: ua-cam.com/video/1vuvwNLgS9g/v-deo.html I personally prefer the MN models. I visited the Bezzara factory over the summer. If you' like a look behind the scenes at the factory here's some video of that: ua-cam.com/video/KY14ND7_Exs/v-deo.html And, here's a 20 minute video of ours taking a deep-dive into the internal components of the MN and DE machines: ua-cam.com/video/UoDRdSXV06U/v-deo.html Hope that helps! Marc
Hi LK, Thanks for the request. Don't worry we will have much more on the Hero in next couple of weeks! Looks like it will not be available for purchase until December. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Is there any particular reason why not? I see that you carry them on your online store. I have been debating about one of their units vs. ECM
Hi YK, Thanks for the comment/feedback. We mostly review domestic (home) products. When we review commercial machines we mention they are in fact rated for commercial use. Brews per hour - frankly that's more about marketing than a true specification. Time between descaling... we recommend using source water/filtration that eliminates the need to descale in the first place. See BWT Bestmax Premium for a no descale required filtration solution which maintains a mineral level for proper flavor/extraction: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestmax-premium-filter-package-w-besthead-flex For those who choose not to treat source water descaling frequency is widely variable based on input water hardness (and other factors like pH, alkalinity) and usage level. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I love everything about my DeLonghi it's still working is great today as the day I bought it. I even recently made a floating cappuccino on my channel LOL
That's great! Do be sure and keep up on the descaling. The thermocoil boiler in machines like yours are very susceptible to failure due to scale buildup unless your water is very soft. Marc
Hi Justin, Flooded groups are common on commercial machines. The group has a large always open connection to the brew boiler such that the boiler water flows easily in and around the group for thermal stability. Machines like the new Rocket R Nine One: www.wholelattelove.com/rocket-espresso-r-nine-one-espresso-machine and La Marzoco GS3: www.wholelattelove.com/la-marzocco-gs-3-1-group-manual-paddle Have flooded groups Marc
Hi Patrice, Thanks for the comment. At the level of true machine like the Rocket R58 it's best to use water that will not cause scale in the first place. Proper filtration with chlorination removal and control of excess minerals/hardness is key for best flavor and scale prevention. Marc
Hi KZ, Thanks for the question. Didn't feel the ~2x price difference is justified over the Synchronika. I use a GS3 on a regular basis and the Synchronika/Pro 700 pretty much matches the steaming performance. Linea in US is as far as I know not plumbable and doesn't have options for pre-infusion. A plumbed Synchronika/Pro 700 does line pressure pre-infusion and it's controllable thru a pressure reducer inline with a filter system (I always recommend a filter for dual boiler machines). Maintenance is far simpler and less costly for Synchronika. And, I'd miss the shot timer on the Linea.Marc
Hi SMA, Thanks for the question. Yes, copper is on paper more efficient at heat transfer. But do understand that the typical copper boiler has thinner walls than stainless steel boilers so the amount of heat reserved can be and usually is greater in stainless boilers. Also, stainless boilers can be tapped for screw in fittings while copper boilers must have components braised in. This makes stainless boilers more serviceable. Marc
@@wdbreezy Thanks for the compliment. Coming of age in the late '70s I definitely had a crush on Valerie Bertinelli! You should see my hair in videos from 5-6 years ago. Back then someone commented I looked like David Lee "Froth". Morgan, my co-host in older vids kinda resembled Valerie. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/JrAMPZecGJc/v-deo.html Marc
Whole Latte Love Marc....and I just wanted to BE Valerie Bertinelli !!! Chuckling at David Lee Froth 😄. I watched your video link and cant argue the resemblance. Thanks for the education and smiles - I really enjoy your videos.
Additionally - E61 is very old and time tested tech. Which means even if something breaks, it's simple to replace yourself and the spare parts are not that expensive. You buy these machines for decades.
I'll also add Profitec E61s now use a stainless steel mushroom. This reduces scale buildup. Stainless steel mushrooms have been standard in ECM E61s for about 8 years.Marc
Paul Coletti Hi Paul, thanks! It’s had a lot of practice. I was house VO talent for a local TV station for about 15 years. 20% commission for any gigs you book for me :) Marc
I'm not quite sure why everyone thinks just because the best coffee comes from Italy, the components of a machine are best made there as well. You ever owned a Fiat and experienced real Italian engineering? 😂
Whole latte love is the undisputed, no.1 in the world, coffee-appliance review channel. The various aspects, and the depth of the analysis covered by your reviews is amazing. On top of this your reviews are also very receptive and easy to digest for all types of audiences.
Keep the good work up!
Best
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Hi GO, Thank you for the kind comment! We are very passionate about what we do - thanks for noticing.
Marc
I prefer Seattle Coffee Gear.
Lots of effort went into making this video! Many thanks to all.
Hi BS, You are welcome a whole latte! Thanks for the comment.
Marc
Great vid, could listen to Mark talk about anything
Alex Hawkins thanks! Wish my wife felt the same way:)
Italy makes amazing fines products in all departments.
They do!
Hands down, the DE1+
Pressure profiling, flow profiling, PID temperature control, real-time graphs of every shot you pull, and pricing is less than the R58. It's hard to beat the feature set+price point.
Hi AD, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
No love to Breville? They seem to be good for where they price their products. I like the bang for my buck and am impressed with all the details they put effort in. They look good (I only care for large items that have to sit out on the counter not be put away), having every bit and bobs store behind the drip tray, the use of little magnets to lock pieces in place. Surprised no one else has picked up on these details.
Hi RC84, I have given lot's of love to Breville in previous videos like this one: ua-cam.com/video/2F7etUZrzKQ/v-deo.html which point out many of the details you mention. The reason Breville did not make this list? It's in the title. This video is about "Machines". In my book Breville products are appliances. Breville does a fantastic job of putting desirable features into their products at an attractive price point. The design touches like tray storage, accessories, excellent manuals and even the power cord are top notch. In the end there are sacrifices in build quality, materials, serviceability and longevity to get to a price point.
Breville sucks! It's like the easy bake oven of espresso machines
I love the way Mark speaks! Very pleasant and engaging
Hi Kaushik, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc, was thinking of getting an expresso machine which is how I landed on Whole Latte Love. My predicament is that at entry level the only two decent machines available is the Delonghi EC680M DEDICA & the Gaagia Classic which is almost double in price here in India. Is the Gaggia Classic worth double the price? What's your suggestion?
Hi K, a couple of key differences... The Delonghi is an appliance grade product. The Gaggia is a true machine - it's user serviceable down the road and parts are readily available. Delonghi uses a smaller than standard pressurized filter basket. That's good if using pre-ground coffee or grinding fresh in a lower cost grinder. The Gaggia has the pressurized basket as well as a standard non-pressurized basket and it's full commercial size at 58mm. With a decent grinder it can make a much bertter espresso than the Delognhi.Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc for pointing out the key differences. Great Help.
bella lista di macchine.
Cosa ne pensate della Lelit pl62T?
You should state the prices as well.
Hi KM, All selections are linked in the video description. Prices can change so best to use the links to get current pricing.
Marc
Sup Marc! Thanks for your always informative videos.
In that one video you did about the Bezzera BZ07, you say that a pre-brew flush is needed while in this more general a video you say that HX machines with a PID do not need a pre-brew flush. Is the Bezzera BZ07 an exception when it comes to that?
Hi t, You are welcome and thanks for the comment and question. There are many HX machines with PID that can go without the flush. But there is some variability. Should a machine be on and idle for long periods the temperature can creep up. Also ambient temps, shot frequency and temp of water in the reservoir play a roll. Best thing to do is check the flow of water from the group prior to pulling a shot. If there's lots of steam, hissing, turbulent flow then the machine should be flushed for a few seconds until flow from the group is nice and even.
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you!
Which ones can go without the flush? Having to still temp surf while having a machine with pid is something I would like to avoid.
Good choice for all categories, i would just add the Bezzera Matrix MN for the new design with the glass panels.
Hi Michael, Thanks for the comment. Those panels are cool! If you look close, you get a glimpse of a Matrix in the best branding design honorable mention for the Bezzera logo.
Marc
Hi Marc, I choose the 700 over the synchronica because 700 was 2019. I get it in a week. For me it was a $200 difference. So little. Technically synchronica was only $100 more because I would not have to buy a tamper. I get why you choice for synchro over 700. I can even change my mind as I don't even get 700 in a week. But I think I made a really solid choice and I stand by it :)
Hi DW, Thanks for the comment. I like both machines! My daily driver is a Pro 700. As you discovered, the Synchronika comes with the tamper. Only other differences between the machines are lever valves on the Synchronika, higher level finishing detail and super easy access to Synchronika internal components.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Agreed. I absolutely LOVED how the r58 looked. Just stunning, but I need an onboard PID and didn't love the insides compared to 700. I thought r58 was nice of all of them. Synchro was great and I tested. Loved the levers. 700 was not even in stock for me to see or test out. But 700 was newest update. If Synchro had a 2019 update, I would probably have got it. But 700 is such a solid decision I feel. You could loose your mind trying to decide :)
Try the Vbm Domobar Junior/Super
Really like the videos. However I’m curious as to why you guys don’t offer the linea mini from la marzocco?
Hi Chris, Thanks for the question and sorry for the delayed response - I've been on vaca and offline for the last week. We do carry the LM GS3. The Linea is a machine we have chosen not to stock at this point.
Marc
where is linea mini??
Great video. I live in Poland and I have Gaggia Classic. Unfortunately in Poland you can only buy the new model without solenoid valve.
True, another example how big US market can have what they want. Though, some budget priced EU branded models with most of features are cheaper over here.
New Gaggia Classic was announced and European version now brings back solenoid valve, normal switches and professional wand not panarello
@@trekpl
That is amazing. Where can I read more about this?
@@jakubtomasik1016 bfy.tw/KiDh (most You'll find @ official site - will be in club section somewhere below in results ;) )
I still own a Baby Gaggia with I bought "refurbished" from you guys 4 years ago.. Since then I have replaced the pump and by-passed the thermoswitch but it make great espresso.
Hi Tony, Thanks for the report. It's too bad Gaggia no longer makes machines like the Baby, Color and similar models. Not quite the same build quality as the Classic but they had commercial size portafilters and in the right hands make excellent espresso!
Marc
TY Mark, someday I'll have to replace my Gaggia, I will be looking for your options.
My pleasure!
Although different group head types, it would be awesome to see how the GS3 compares to the ECM Sync!! Please advise if a video is in the works.... Cheers, Joe BTW I love my synchronika and E37s Touch but would love to see these two head to head.
Hey there, a few months ago I purchased a Ceado E37S from you guys and now I would like to purchase the ECM Synchronika. I see you can save ~150 when purchasing both of these, any way I can get this discount still if I order the ECM this week? Thanks!
Hi SD, I would call, email or chat our sales dept. here to find out what they can do: www.wholelattelove.com/contact-us
Hey. What do you think about Lellit machines ? Are they better from Gaggia ?
Have you had the opportunity to try the Gaggia Classic 2019 version yet? It would be interesting to hear your opinion since it builds upon the solenoid valve version.
Hi Tor, Thanks for the question. We have a 2019 Classic in-house under going testing at the moment. Liking it a lot! Manual steam wand and more. Look for a video in a few weeks.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage perfect! So far, would you say it's worth double the price of the 2015 European version? And what are the obvious downsides of the 2015 euro version compared to the 2019 and original classics?
My budget is 500 dollars and i live in Europe the Gaggia Classic looks great, but what can i get in EU at that quality and pricepoint?
Can you guys check out the Lelit machines? They seem like great value for home use.
Hej! Thanks to your program, I've convinced myself to the coffee machines. However, thanks to you, I selected 5 models: ECM Synchronika, Profitec PRO 700, Lelit Bianka, Rocket R58, Bezzera Martix. I don't know which is the best, the most durable, the most solid and can make the best brew. I am asking for a hint, suggesting which one? Thank you very much.
Hi PL, Thanks for the question. IMO I'd go with the Synchronika with flow control: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-synchronika-dual-boiler-with-flow-control
It's without question my favorite dual boiler machine. It and the Pro 700 have nearly identical internal components and identical capabilities. Pro 700 sells for a little less but I'd pay extra for the Synchronika's angled portafilters and upgrade external finish details.
Marc
Thank you very much for your time to answer. Regards
What are the benefit to plumbed in a machine other than not doing refills ? It seems in your video there is a difference for pre-infusion when plumbed in or not? Is the ECM synchronika would still be your top choice for someone who do not want to plumbed in?
Hi Jean, Thanks for the question. There is a difference in preinfusion in non-plumbed vs. plumbed machine. When not plumbed what you get is pre-wetting. Just a little water pushed out of the boiler but under very little pressure. When plumbed, ECM and Profitec dual boiler, rotary pump machines like the Synchronika and the Pro 700 apply incoming line pressure to the coffee at the pre-infusion postion of the E61 group lever. Not all machines do that as most manufactures have a solenoid valve on the plumbed in connection which only opens when the pump runs. With the machine plumbed in you can install an in-line water filter and use a pressure regulator to control the pre-infusion pressure. Water filters are always a good idea on dual boiler machines as they are rather difficult for home users to deacale. A system like the BWT Bestmax can eliminate the need to descale a machine: www.wholelattelove.com/bwt-bestmax-premium-filter-package This system does all the normal things filters do like remove chlorine and particulates. Then goes a step further and exchanges scale causing calcium with magnesium. This exchange maintains a mineral level for proper extractions and good flavor while eliminating new scale deposits.
Marc
please review the iberital ib7 2gr, its only cost us$2000 here in my country, with the 11lt boiler heat exchanger and rotary pump, volumetric..
hard to say no for me to buy this machine
Hi A, thanks for the request but I do not have access to the machine here in US.
Marc
Hi Mark. I have a Nespresso creatista plus. It claims it does latte art and is a great machine however it’s fully automated as it has different settings to texturise the milk. Any tips for getting some decent latte art with this in your experience? Many thanks
Hi Marc, Sorry I have not used that Nespresso product. For latte art you want the finest possible texture to the milk and a uniform texture through the milk prior to attempting a pour. Honestly, I have not used many non-traditional frothing methods which are good at producing latte art quality froth. If you really want to do art it's best to froth with a manual steam wand. That said, one can help less than perfect froth by knocking a pitcher on counter to break larger bubbles, swirling milk in pitcher or pouring milk back and forth between two pitchers to create a finer well mixed froth. Hope that helps!
Marc
I got my Gaggia Classic from you guys a few months ago. I love it! Best purchase I ever made!
Hi B, Happy to hear you are loving your Classic! Thanks for the comment!
Hi. I am in front of hard decission :). Should I go for Gaggia New Clasic or Rancilio Silvia? I am from europe where these machines are little bit different thanks to the EU legislation (of course in a bad way). Anyway offered Gagia model is modified one by seller - has the same materials, has selenoid valve and had same materials as old Gaggia clasic. Plus it has disabled auto switch off functiality. This special model has also changed aluminium difusser with brass one. Machine is still quite cheaper. What do you thing. Is it still big difference compare to more expensive Rancilio? My wife still tell that I change machines every two year. I cannot do it again - men pride. So I need to decide for machine for another three years.
Excellent report ... I'm still confused between synchronika and Profitec 700 knowing they are identical internally
Hi MUQ, Thanks for the comment. How can I help end your confusion? They are functionally identical internally. What you get with the Synchronika beyond that is: The easiest to open up espresso machine on the market. If you're the type to get inside you will appreciate! Single piece frame chassis - no welds. Angled and balanced portafilters with chrome accents which match the group lever and E61 drain. Extra refinement of the body panels and a very nice ECM etched tamper. Synchronika is available with black Anthracite body panels.Marc
Marc, what is the rebound time between the brewing and pulling a double shot for lattes, for example if I have a family gathering and need to prepare 7-8 lattes which would be on weekends so 4 times a month on average, would I need to wait a long time to finish my 7-8 latte drinks or this machine would be able to handle it? If wait will be needed to rebound, what other Profitec machine would you recommend? I would like to avoid Pro 700 as I’m not I. A budget for that machine. Would Pro 600 be my best bet? Or 500 would be just fine? Thank you for your time sir in replying to my question!!!
I was asking about Pro 500 vs 600, sorry for not clarifying more clearly!
Hi Igor, Thanks for the question. Apologies for my delayed response. Been offline for a week and just catching up. Really depends on how fast you make the lattes. Either machine can do them fairly rapidly. Both will recover by the time you've ground, tamped, loaded the next shot and refilled your pitcher. The 600 will be more stable with brew temp with isolated boiler. Hope that helps!
Marc
Hello Mark, I can't decide between Profitec PRO 500 PID and Expobar Brewtus IV for home use. Which one would You recommend between those two?
Hi Tomasz, Thanks for the question. The Expobar Brewtus has ceased production. Currently we have a couple left in stock but only the plumbable Brewtus model which does not have a reservoir. It's a fine machine but I'd only go with that if you are comfortable with a machine that must be plumbed to water line. The Pro 500 PID is my favorite HX boiler machine. While the Brewtus is built like a tank, the Pro 500 PID is more refined in the casework and internal components. Hope that helps! Let me know if you have anymore quesstions.
Marc
best video la mark, suara pun sedap,powerrr
What is difference you think there is between coffee from K-cup machine and espresso machine?
Hi LC, Thanks for the question. The brewing process is similar in some ways. Keurig and espresso machines both force water through ground coffee under pressure. In most cases, the pressure is higher in an espresso machine. The major differences: K-cups are much more expensive per serving than starting with whole bean coffee. Typically 2-4 times the cost. Average K-cup contains about 8g of coffee. Quality whole bean coffee can be purchased for $20/kg. At that price, 8g is 16 cents. espresso and coffee made from freshly ground whole beans is far better with more aroma and deeper flavor than pre-ground coffee in a throw away plastic cup. All that said, many consumers are willing to trade quality and higher per cup cost for the convenience of Keurig appliances. But there are bean to cup super automatic machines which are even more convenient. They cost more upfront but produce a much better coffee at a much lower cost per cup with no plastic to throw away. These super-autos can make regular size cups of coffee, espresso and make milk based drinks like cappuccino, latte and more. Best value in this type of machine is the Gaggia Brera: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-brera-espresso-machine-in-black
Marc
It's always a pleasure to follow your video reviews that showcase machines with breathtaking looks and superb build quality! My purchase dates back to just over 5 days ago and I am proud to have chosen a product of our Italian excellence that from its boasts an innovative paddle placed in the outlet group E61 that allows to modulate the pressure of water supply.. I'm talking about the lelit Bianca that nothing has to envy to other machines in the look and in the build quality.. I would love to have professionals like you in my city to be able to make the most of all the peculiarities and features of this jewel that I have in the house 🍵
Hi p, thanks for the comment!
Marc
No Crossland CC1? Seems like best bang for the buck with all the features...
Hey Mark, so I am definitely wanting to get into making espresso next year and would like something that I can get better at throughout the years. Right now, my fiancee and I have the Breville Dual Temp Pro on our wedding registry. I am planning on getting the Breville BCG820BSSXL Smart Grinder Pro Burr Grinder, as well. If I want the machine to be more manual so that I can improve, as I make espresso throughout the years, would you say the Breville is a good option? Would the Gaggia Classic Pro be better?
Hi NH, Congrats on getting married! So marriage is forever right? your machine and grinder should be too! If you like the Breville's go with it. But... Understand they are appliance grade products. Unlike your marriage they are unlikely to stand the test of time. If thinking longterm I'd really consider a true machine grade product. The Classic Pro is machine grade. If you'll be doing a lot of milk drinks consider a machine with an HX or dual boiler. You'll tire of the wait on a single boiler machine (or appliance) to steam milk. Check out my top picks for 2019 machines! The Classic Pro is in there (no appliances though) as well as step up machines: ua-cam.com/video/LvUHbiIiP-c/v-deo.html
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you so much for that thoughtful response! I will check it out.
I have a new EU Gaggia Classic, would a Rancilio Silvia be an upgrade or a waste of money??
Hi Andrew, Thanks for the question. Yes it would be an upgrade.
Marc
for the entry level , and for espresso only shots , what flavor diff is there between ESE pods and grinding your own? how does illy ese compare to fresh ground? do ese pods have their freshness protected (nitrogen filled)?
are there shot brewing advantages of the honorable mentions?
what reasons might there be too consider one of the honorable mentions?
what flavor diff is there between factory baked/foil packed and home made just from oven cakes?
Watch Alton Brown's Good Eats video on espresso
Hi JK 24, Thanks for the questions. There's a huge flavor/quality difference between ESE pods and grinding fresh! That said, for many ESE pods are acceptable and offer convenience. They reduce the initial cost of getting into espresso as you don't need a grinder. But you are compromising on quality and long term they end up costing more in comparison to grinding your own fresh. To the best of my knowledge most packagers of pre-ground coffee use nitrogen packaging. I do not know for certain if that is the case for all.
Honorable mention machines generally have the same capabilities as the winners in each category. In some cases they cost more but have the same capabilities. In others, they may a have a slight advantage but a much higher price that's difficult to justify in comparison to the winner. Was there a particular honorable mention machine you'd like to know more about? If so I'd be happy to compare and give my opinions.
Marc
Price wise I am looking for something between the Gaggia Classic and Exobar Office. What would get me the best bang for my buck?
Hi FP, Thanks for the question. So the Classic is a single boiler and the Office Lever is a HX boiler. Very different using each machine as you cannot brew and steam at same time on the Classic and you can on the Lever. If you don't do milk drinks a lot then a single boiler is fine and can save you $$. If you do milk drinks all the time you will regret a single boiler at some point unless you are willing to sacrifice convenience for lower price. The Lever is the best value in HX machines. If you go single boiler options are ECM Casa: www.wholelattelove.com/ecm-casav-semi-automatic-espresso-machine
and Rancilio Silva: www.wholelattelove.com/rancilio-silvia-m-espresso-machine
Casa is worth the money compared to the Silvia. Much better build quality.
Marc
Great video. Any chance you could do the same 'best of' comparing heat exchanger volumetric control machines? Would love to hear your opinions and comparison of the Expobar Office Control, Nuova Simonelli Musica, Sab Noble, etc. Thanks
Hi Jeremy, Thanks for the request. Here's a video which compares all the Expobar office models: ua-cam.com/video/lh_uE2wK2EI/v-deo.html The Musica runs about $1,000 more than the Office machines but is NSF and has a more detailed exterior.
Marc
Thanks Marc. That's interesting that the musica is so much more expensive. Here in Aus, the musical is around the same price.
If the price is not a problem, Can you please compare between ECM Synchornika vs La Marzocco Linea Mini? Pros ,Cons and different taste of coffee between both in the same coffee. I am hardly considering both of them after I had seen reviews. I am in Thailand that has a few brand of espresso machines which selling in Thaland.
Hi Dec, Thanks for the question. Both are very nice machines. You say price is not a problem but will mention here in the US the Linea costs a lot more than the Synchronika. Personally I prefer the Synchronika. When plumbed in with a pressure regulator you can do whatever type of pre-infusion you like on the Synchronika. On the Linea pre-infusion is preset and to best of my knowledge not adjustable. Also like the shot timer in the display of the PID on the ECM. Characterizing the taste differences is difficult given the variables involved. I will say you'll get more control over flavor with the ability to adjust pre-infusion as you like with the Synchronika. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you very much Marc. This suggestion flashed through my mind that why I want a hi-end machine why I have to wake up to grind, to temp, to brew just a cup of coffee. Thank you very much. ^_^
why ECM didn't put PID on Technika?
Technika looks good, but I have difficult time pulling morning shot if I'm on the rush - eventually used hot water lever to make americano :D
Hi MS, Thanks for the comment. Technika has been out for awhile and came out prior to PID being used on HX machines.
Marc
Great Video and I really appreciate your testing methodology. Why don‘t you test Dalla Corte machines as well? They‘ve got an innovative brewing unit. Would be interesting to compare to the E61. Best regards, Matthias
Hi Matthias, Thanks for the comment. Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, I do not have a Dalla Corte to test!
Marc
I’ve always loved the Breville Dual Boiler tbh. Something about it
Mark, I was all set to get a La Marzocco Linia Mini but after watching this video you have me questioning the machine. Can you tell me your opinion? Thanks
Hi John, I use a GS3 on a regular basis but do not use the mini. For me, it's hard to justify the price difference between something like the ECM Synchronika and the Linea. Linea ropes you into a factory preset pre-infusion. On the Synchronika or Profitec Pro 700 you can line pressure pre-infuse however you like when plumbed in and adjust the pre-infusion pressure via a pressure reducer on a filter system like this: www.wholelattelove.com/bwt-bestmax-premium-filter-package (that's how my Pro 700 is setup). If getting a dual boiler machine I strongly suggest an in-line filter system! As far as I know, the US version of the Linea is not plumbable. I like the shot timer so I'd miss that on the Linea. We've steamed side by side with the Synchronika and the LM GS3 and performance is about the same. You can see the Synchronika and GS3 steaming in this video and learn more about the recent steam pressure upgrade to the Synchronika: ua-cam.com/video/1dlNkWFsAIQ/v-deo.html Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any other questions!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage how about the espresso that brewed with ECM and LM mini? Would the taste same? Thx
Hi Rony, Thanks for the question. Forgetting about pre-infusion the ECM and Mini are equally capable. They both deliver accurate brew temps etc. With the ECM plumbed including an inline pressure reducer as described in my comment above you can play with pre-infusion time/pressure to affect an extraction. You could in theory do Slayer style shots with long low pressure pre-infusion with that setup. It's my understanding pre-infusion time/pressure on the Mini is preset and not adjustable.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage so, are you saying that you would choose ECM rather than LM Linea Mini? Thx Marc.
Based on price, performance and familiarity... yes I would.
Could you please make a review on the SAB Pratika? I own this machine and I am impressed by its functionality and simplicity. Seems to be a Macchiavalley, too. Know only to Germans, maybe. Takes 10mins to power up, pump sounds lovely, 1 button operation, good valves, good steam power, 58mm and go.
Killer feature of this machine is that the developer says, if you don´t like the logo, you can rub it off ;-)
Is it even available to you in the US?
Hi ttphone, Thanks for the request. Unfortunately the machine does not appear to be available in the US.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Marc, you might consider to check out this machine. It´s not made exactly for the US market, because there is strictly no bling. It is no more or less than a half-size tank-filled pro machine. And having seen your considerations in your vid "How to Choose a Prosumer Espresso Machine" I must say it meets all your specs. Had it open the day I got it. It´s simply pro technology in a small package, 58mil and all. Also, the REALLY cheap price comes from SAB´s practice of unsing only available industry standard parts. Check it out on rimprezza.de
Do you recommend Breville? Just wondering cause I might be in the market for one soon and was eyeing the Barista Express.
Hi KJ, Thanks for the question. So I consider Breville to be "appliances" as opposed to "machines". The applainces do not have the same build quality, longevity expectation or user serviceability you'd get in a hand crafted machine. But, they are reasonable for those with a lower budget seeking a larger feature set than you'd get in a similarly priced machine. Very important to keep up on the maintenance of Breville products. Do that and you'll get a good run from them.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for responding with your take on Breville. Now I'm eyeing the Gaggja Classic😀
Thanks for the great video! I have the Pro 700 from WLL and would like to plumb the machine with a Bestmax system. I am concerned about the high chloride in our water though, and potential repercussions from using a weak acid cation system. Any wisdom from you Mark would be greatly appreciated.
Hi ascbeerman, Thanks for the comment and question. I'm forwarding your question to BWT for comment. Do you know what your chloride level is?
Marc
It varies throughout the year but levels at 125 mg/L are not uncommon. We also have sulfate levels in excess of 150 mg/L most of the year. If you have a contact at BWT I can send our complete water analysis to them.
Hi, Heard back from BWT. Here is their response:
"There is no impact from the weak acid resin process as long as the blending setting is done correct. However Chlorides can be a cause for corrosion...The high chlorides in your customers water can only be addressed with an RO system."
Please let me know if you're still interested in supplying BWT with your complete water analysis for their recommendations on treatment.
Marc
Marc, thanks for the follow up. My apologies for the delay but I have been out of town. Our complete water numbers can be found here under the Thaynes Canyon heading www.parkcity.org/home/showdocument?id=10190 Also, the forum thread which originally drew my attention to this matter can be found here www.home-barista.com/water/warning-chloride-sulfate-levels-with-weak-acid-cation-softeners-e-g-everpure-claris-t31120.html . I am currently using RO in combination with mineral water but would like to get to a plumbed solution. Unfortunately, our water here is really challenging so my search continues. Thanks for taking an interest and helping!
Hi!
If I’d want the North American version and live in Sweden... do I ask the dealers in Sweden if they can import it? Also, I compared it to Sage Brevilla Bambino Plus. Do you have any experience of this machine? The Breville is easier to purchase here in Sweden. Thanks!
Hi AI, Thanks for the question. As far as I know Breville and Sage or one in the same.
Marc
Whole Latte Love yes this is true, I know:). I was wondering if you had any experience regarding Sage model “bambino plus” in comparison with the Gaggia Classic?
Hi, Sorry I do not. I had a look at the Bambino. It appears to be more of an appliance grade which is less serviceable down the road. The Classic is a true machine. Take care of it and no reason why it will not give a decade or more of service.
Marc
When will we see a video detailing the new profitec 600? I’m really excited about their new machine!!!
Hi Levi, Thanks for the question. We are very excited too! So excited we made one of our regular visits to the Profitec factory outside Milan, Italy to check out the 600. In case you missed it here's video from that visit with more details on the Pro 600: ua-cam.com/video/ebdzV7dExa8/v-deo.html
We will have more videos coming on the Pro 600 in the coming weeks. In the meantime if you have any specific questions I'd be happy to answer.
Marc
Thanks Marc, I really enjoyed the sneak peak profitec 600 video! Looking forward to the in-depth analysis. You guys always have very informative and educational videos, thanks!
Ciao!
Very flashy, superbly entertaining video...
Hi Jack, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
What about the "wega mininova 1 group w rotary pump"?
Hi Sam, Thanks for adding that. Not a machine I'm familiar with. In a quick search it does not seem to be available new anywhere.
Marc
Excellent video ! Wish have one!!!
Hi TD, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
haha there's that Rocket branding again Marc loves soooooo much lol
Hi LLL, I think the Rocket branding is sexy!
Marc
Whole Latte Love I hear ya marc lol i’ll let you tell the story ... All kidding aside love your channel it’s the most informative about coffee equipment there is . The video that you and Todd broke down the pro 700 touched home for me I am a mechanical technician who works on office size equipment all the way up to freezers the size of a super Walmart so I can appreciate the parts breakdown and I understand them and a lot of the same components such as solenoids check valves control modules etc. is used in my type of equipment in refrigeration . At the moment I’m using a Brevell dual boiler that I bought two months ago to replace my old Rancilio Silvia that I allowed to go down with lack of maintenance go figure LOL The machine is not bad and it is actually pretty good for its price for what you get but its an appliance however I know I can do better and I’m looking at longevity And I’ve been on the fence I do love Rockets product and once you’ve had a double boiler you can’t go back so I was staring towards the R 58 but I’ve got to tell you I am very impressed by the 700 and, well, I’m not gonna pay quite a few hundred dollars more just for some stamping of a name on an item so I am most likely sold on the 700 and will most likely be ordering it from you guys ...
Hi Mark, I would like to know what is your point of view between getting one of these three machines for home use only.
The profitec pro 300
Gaggia
Breville Barista pro.
Thanks in advance.
Hi Saad, Thanks for the question. 3very different machines. The Pro 300 and Gaggia Classic are true machines while the Breville is what I consider appliance grade. What that means is the Gaggia and Profitec have a much higher build quality. With proper maintenance they'll run for decades. If/when they need service it can be performed by the end user. The Breville is not user serviceable and I would not expect anywhere near the service life of the appliance vs. the machines. What the Breville offers is a lot of features for a low price. The Breville is factory made in China with lots of plastic parts. Both the Gaggia and Profitec machines are hand assembled in Italy. The Gaggia Classic is a single boiler machine. It cannot brew and steam milk at the same time. The Pro 300 is a compact dual boiler machine with PID temperature control of the brew boiler. With dual boilers you can brew and steam milk at the same time. With PID brew temps are rock solid as compared to the Gaggia Classic which uses standard thermostats for temperature control. The thermostats allow for a variance in boiler temp so brew temp is not as consistent as what you'll get on the 300. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks a lot Mark👍👍👍. Once I read your comment I made up my mind and I think I will buy the profitec pro 300
@@Wholelattelovepage is it possible to make a new video of this beautiful Profitec pro 300?
You are welcome!
Hi Saad, We have a number of videos of the beautiful Pro 300 available via the product page here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-300-dual-boiler-espresso-machine
Marc
Marc you can sell edible laundry powder for eating and I would buy!
Too bad for me I don't live on the US, I'd buy the whole store
LOL! Don't eat the laundry soap - bad things happen! Thanks for the comment.
Marc
is it difficult to clean the entry level machine?
Hi Amal, Not really. Basic cleaning and maintenance is detailed here: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia_Classic/cleaning_and_maintenance
Marc
Gosto quando mostra automáticas.
From what I researched in the last three months the Bezzera Duo MN is my choice. Do you have any experience with it?
Hi Rui, I sure do! If you search our channel for "Duo" we have 5 videos on the Duo including this one comparing the MN and DE versions: ua-cam.com/video/1vuvwNLgS9g/v-deo.html I personally prefer the MN models. I visited the Bezzara factory over the summer. If you' like a look behind the scenes at the factory here's some video of that: ua-cam.com/video/KY14ND7_Exs/v-deo.html
And, here's a 20 minute video of ours taking a deep-dive into the internal components of the MN and DE machines: ua-cam.com/video/UoDRdSXV06U/v-deo.html
Hope that helps!
Marc
Please get the ceado e37z hero review up
Hi LK, Thanks for the request. Don't worry we will have much more on the Hero in next couple of weeks! Looks like it will not be available for purchase until December.
Marc
Difference between Profitec 300 vs 500?
Dual boiler with ring brew group vs E61 HX machine.
Do have any video reviews on the Quick Mill lineup?
Hi, Sorry not at this time.
@@Wholelattelovepage Is there any particular reason why not? I see that you carry them on your online store. I have been debating about one of their units vs. ECM
Your reviews are technical oriented but you all miss the most important features.brews per hour,commercial or home , descaling hours etc.
Hi YK, Thanks for the comment/feedback. We mostly review domestic (home) products. When we review commercial machines we mention they are in fact rated for commercial use. Brews per hour - frankly that's more about marketing than a true specification. Time between descaling... we recommend using source water/filtration that eliminates the need to descale in the first place. See BWT Bestmax Premium for a no descale required filtration solution which maintains a mineral level for proper flavor/extraction: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestmax-premium-filter-package-w-besthead-flex
For those who choose not to treat source water descaling frequency is widely variable based on input water hardness (and other factors like pH, alkalinity) and usage level.
Marc
Still using my delonghi ec702
Hi Candy, Thanks for the comment. What do you like/not like about your Delonghi?
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I love everything about my DeLonghi it's still working is great today as the day I bought it. I even recently made a floating cappuccino on my channel LOL
That's great! Do be sure and keep up on the descaling. The thermocoil boiler in machines like yours are very susceptible to failure due to scale buildup unless your water is very soft.
Marc
Fully agree!
Hi Stefan, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
What do you mean by flooded group?
Hi Justin, Flooded groups are common on commercial machines. The group has a large always open connection to the brew boiler such that the boiler water flows easily in and around the group for thermal stability. Machines like the new Rocket R Nine One: www.wholelattelove.com/rocket-espresso-r-nine-one-espresso-machine and La Marzoco GS3: www.wholelattelove.com/la-marzocco-gs-3-1-group-manual-paddle Have flooded groups
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Ah thanks. so it's also sometimes referred to as saturated group, that's why I had trouble finding an answer online
Sorry for the confusion. Saturated group may be more common terminology than flooded group.
Extremely helpful. Thanks from a newbie
You are welcome! Thank you for taking the time to comment!
It's sad, but expensive machines like Rocket dual boiler does not have a do it yourself descale like Breville Dual Boiler gives.
Hi Patrice, Thanks for the comment. At the level of true machine like the Rocket R58 it's best to use water that will not cause scale in the first place. Proper filtration with chlorination removal and control of excess minerals/hardness is key for best flavor and scale prevention.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Wow, thanks for your response. I was not aware of this. I just looked at one of your videos about preventing limescale. Thanks!
What about the lamarzoco Linea mini?
Looks good (some prefer that style over E61 chrome bombers) and costs about 2x more. You choose.
Hi KZ, Thanks for the question. Didn't feel the ~2x price difference is justified over the Synchronika. I use a GS3 on a regular basis and the Synchronika/Pro 700 pretty much matches the steaming performance. Linea in US is as far as I know not plumbable and doesn't have options for pre-infusion. A plumbed Synchronika/Pro 700 does line pressure pre-infusion and it's controllable thru a pressure reducer inline with a filter system (I always recommend a filter for dual boiler machines). Maintenance is far simpler and less costly for Synchronika. And, I'd miss the shot timer on the Linea.Marc
emc and profitec use Stainless Steel Boiler ,,,why not copper ,,cooper is more eficience for temperature
Hi SMA, Thanks for the question. Yes, copper is on paper more efficient at heat transfer. But do understand that the typical copper boiler has thinner walls than stainless steel boilers so the amount of heat reserved can be and usually is greater in stainless boilers. Also, stainless boilers can be tapped for screw in fittings while copper boilers must have components braised in. This makes stainless boilers more serviceable.
Marc
Maybe just in my eyes, but to me Mark looks a bit like Jeremy Irons? Anyone else see That as well?
Lol! Hopefully a younger Jeremy Irons. He's got a solid 15 years on me :)
I see more Eddie VanHalen circa 90’s
That’s a compliment!
@@wdbreezy Thanks for the compliment. Coming of age in the late '70s I definitely had a crush on Valerie Bertinelli! You should see my hair in videos from 5-6 years ago. Back then someone commented I looked like David Lee "Froth". Morgan, my co-host in older vids kinda resembled Valerie. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/JrAMPZecGJc/v-deo.html
Marc
Whole Latte Love Marc....and I just wanted to BE Valerie Bertinelli !!! Chuckling at David Lee Froth 😄. I watched your video link and cant argue the resemblance. Thanks for the education and smiles - I really enjoy your videos.
@@wdbreezy Thanks for the kind comments! It's kind of small, but if that's a photo of you alongside your comment I see a resemblance to VB!
I wonder how reliable are these machines.
Hi Simon, They are very reliable if maintained properly!
Marc
Additionally - E61 is very old and time tested tech. Which means even if something breaks, it's simple to replace yourself and the spare parts are not that expensive. You buy these machines for decades.
I'll also add Profitec E61s now use a stainless steel mushroom. This reduces scale buildup. Stainless steel mushrooms have been standard in ECM E61s for about 8 years.Marc
Marc, you should do voice over work your voice is amazing !
Paul Coletti Hi Paul, thanks! It’s had a lot of practice. I was house VO talent for a local TV station for about 15 years. 20% commission for any gigs you book for me :)
Marc
Semi automatic! and you don't need a background check to buy one....this needs to be stopped!
haha!
Marc
I hear they can be converted to full semi-automatic as well. We’re in BIG trouble
When your crack habit is out of control.
Dude sounds like Dr Tim Robbins
When you don't see your machine in a best of list 😭
Hi Kieran, What machine are you using?
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Breville Barista Express 870 😁
Kieran McKenney That’s more of a home appliance if you know what I’m saying.
No gs3
Hi MA, Made it clear in the video would not consider flooded group machines like the GS3.
Marc
Whole Latte Love my bad sorry
I feel so poor and sad. All i have is a Breville. Lol
Me too - and I Love it...the boilers for Breville are made in Italy..
I'm not quite sure why everyone thinks just because the best coffee comes from Italy, the components of a machine are best made there as well. You ever owned a Fiat and experienced real Italian engineering? 😂
Me too! I love it (920XL), but it blows the black gasket on the portafilter. looking for more serviceable yet easy to use.
@@akabukiman Haha! Gold!
Rocket ftw
Hi Ruben, Thanks for the comment. Why Rocket?
gaggia