Lutheran pastor here. This is 100% accurate. You want a forty minute sermon that helps you understand the Bible better? That's called Bible study. That comes after the service with coffee and donuts. But first, let's have a shorter sermon that deals with a specific text and shows us in a very specific way how we fall short of the glory of God and are justified freely by his grace.
How do you, as a lutheran pastor, say it is 100% accurate to say "baptism saves" when Martin Luther himself says, that baptism without faith is just useless water? Baptism doesn't save, faith saves.
@@Dsingis 1 Peter 3:21: "and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ" Baptism saves. It saves you BY THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST. Baptism gets its power from Christ's resurrection and the promise of God that it saves. It is completely valid to baptize children, but if you ignore Jesus' command to baptize AND make disciples which need to happen concurrently (Matthew 28) then you're not doing what you're supposed to. We don't view it as a magic trick. It's the first step in a process.
We were Catholic for 43 years before finding the book of concord. We had already had a traumatic experience in the church and we felt that there was no ministry other than mass. No bible study, no youth group, no feeding the poor. Just our experience. Anyway, we found an LCMS church and have never felt more loved and welcome. We have fellowship, service, then Bible school -birth through death. We have a youth group and some kind of ministry everyday. I was always taught Protestants don’t believe in good works. I understand our works do not save us. I asked our Pastor why we do so many works and he quoted Luther (I think) “ Show me a man without works and I’ll show you a man without faith.” My family loves going to church m, even though were their 8:30 till noon. The kids love it and are immersed with scripture. My daughter was top Theology student at her catholic school. I asked her teacher how, and after complimenting her he said most of the Catholic kids are disengaged. I did meet with the Bishop with our concerns and while he said he understood nothing was done. Just my personal experience. I don’t mean to criticize the entire Catholic Church as this was just our experience
I say Lutheran is better than being catholic but the problem I think with Lutheran according to the explanation in the video short is that God doesn't save us just through bread and wine, it is a rememberence of his Body and Blood, so every week we can remember him through it even if we have forgotten. Baptism establishes that you have received the holy Ghost if not taking baptism is nothing but a tradition, baptism symbolises that you died as your old self and rose as new one through and in Christ.
@@orangesite7625 First off, I will correct you (I understand we may just agree to disagree on this) but it isn't just bread and wine but also Christ's body and blood. We don't try to explain how like the Catholics who say it's transformed or the Calvinists who say that our soul ascends to heaven to receive Christ's body and blood there (where in the Bible does it say that lol). We simply say that Jesus said "is" in the most grave of circumstances. He was giving his last will and testament. Let's not play fast and loose with those words. Yes I know that it doesn't taste like meat or blood, but Jesus said "is" so we say "is." Now that that's out of the way, I'll point out that we don't say that the Lord's Supper saves because the Lord's Supper can only properly be received by someone who is already saved. That being said, in Matthew 26:28 Jesus said "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." "This" refers to the contents of the cup he was passing around in that moment. We say that the Lord's Supper forgives sins, because Jesus says it forgives sins. As for baptism, you don't give it enough credit. 1 Peter 3:21 says it now saves. You can argue however you want about what the "pledge of a clear conscience to God means but it doesn't matter because it literally says that baptism saves. Also in Galatians 3:27 and Romans 6:4 make it sound like there is more going on than just symbolism. Baptism is something that God does for us, not something we do for God. We say that God's promise gives it the power.
Is it though? Do lutherans believe Jesus was holding his own Body? Or that he was holding a piece of bread united to his Body? Lutherans seem to believe that "Body and Blood" is "bread united with Body and wine united with Blood". That when Jesus said "this is my Body" He said "this is united with my Body"
@@igorlopes7589 i suppose so? I’m Catholic, as I understand it, the bread and wine are blessed by the Holy Spirit thus becoming the Body and Blood so as long as any interpretation of the Bread and the Body, and Wine and Blood are always synonymous, then how someone chooses to mentally break that down to be better understood isn’t illegitimate
@@autumn-marissamcclounie7868 The thing is that they don't believe the "This" Jesus talked about was his Body, but that it was a piece of bread united with his Body. The consecrated Bread and the Body of Christ aren't the exact same thing for them, but rather two connected and yet distinct realities. They aren't synonymous For the record, Trent anathematized the lutheran view on the Eucharist, it is not a possible view for us catholics.
@@igorlopes7589ok I could be wrong but the way I think it’s perceived is kind of like the hypostatic union. Jesus is fully God and fully man in one body. The bread of the Eucharist is fully bread and fully body, the bread is still there in communion. The wine is fully wine and fully blood. The real presence is there and but the elements also stay.
Be very careful they don’t lead you astray. They don’t even have the full bible, they removed many books about it. Only a priest can intervene in the Eucharist. These people don’t have it. They have very different beliefs than Catholics.
I’ve read a book last year talking about Christians that may have had OCD and Luther was one of them and I gotta say I suspect it too and the focus on looking to Christ rather than your own experiences feels very telling of that. Though I don’t agree with the whole of Lutheranism, I definitely agree with that. Being an OCD suffer myself there’s a certain liberation you get when you’re able to fully trust what Christ did and let go of what’s going on with yourself.
This has always been something I've struggled with over the years with OCD. I was always focusing on how I felt, my doubts, how sincere I was, my sin, etc. Not to say there isn't room for proper examination and dealing with sin, there definitely is, but OCD can make you do so in improper and unhealthy ways. My pastor kept pointing me to Christ, who He is, what He did, and my need to trust in Him. It's still difficult living with OCD, but looking to Christ and focusing on Him and His Word has been an extreme help 😊. Also, what was the book you were reading? I'd be interested in reading it myself.
@@StAndersonOfArizona the book is called “Can Christianity Cure Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder?” By Ian Osborn. It’s a good read and was really helpful for me when I was having a real hard time last year. Would definitely recommend. :)
Another OCD sufferer, here. Last year I had something of a breakdown over obsessive thoughts about my salvation. I’m still recovering, but I’m learning that to trust actually means to not obsessively think about it! I can actually afford *not* thinking about the issue, since it’s all been done for me.
And I'm Baptist, but I really like the idea of having a formalized crash course on the basics of faith for young and new believers like Confirmation. Denominations may be something that divides the church, but I think we can learn and glean a lot from believers of different denominations (so long as they adhere to the core biblical truths). For example, you're Presbyterian and I really appreciate the attitude of reverence towards the Kingship of Christ that's been displayed in the Presbyterian churches that I've visited (on the flip side, although I personally have a more stoic and neutral personality, the Pentecostal attitude towards worship resembles that displayed by King David on several occasions).
@@matthewjohnson2428 But confirmation and practices like it are the biggest problem in American churches and probably any church--taking someone coming to faith and deceiving them into false religion with no fruit and work of the Holy Spirit rather than getting them saved first so the Holy Spirit can do that work in them and they are a genuine Christian.
The Song in the background is written by Luther himself. "Wohl mir das ich Jesum habe" german and means: I'm blessed to have Jesus. This Song is written for piano and an singer
@@excancerpoik @rakotomalala9982 The entire setting of when Jesus took the bread and the wine was the Passover. The Passover was instituted as a remembrance of what God did for Israel in the exodus. It was at the end of the usual meal that Jesus added the bread and wine element as a remembrance of His body and blood that was going to be sacrificed the next day. The entire meal is symbolic and meant purely as a remembrance. Part of that meal, however, is the bitter herb as a remembrance of how they were slaves in Egypt. So, if you believe the elements are actually literal (or becomes literal as taken), then how do you literally eat slavery? If the entire meal is symbolism, why does the two added part suddenly become literal, even when Christ specifically says it is in remembrance of Him (just like all the other elements were in remembrance of the exodus)?
Is Jesus slavery? No, he is not, therefore when taking the Lord's supper we take the blood and body of Jesus, not the bread and blood of slavery. I (and all other Lutherans) have only said its literally the body and blood of Jesus. You are just adding the part about slavery so you can have something against us@@Ironica82
@Chrstian_PDB_FREE_ISRAEL_NOGAY Denominations are wrong Don't be protestant or Catholic or Orthodox or Oriental be Christian Christians are saved; anyone from any denomination can be saved, that is the point of his crucifixion and resurrection
@@Juan-gd1wd you sound like a gen z rookie convert to EO because it’s trendy and unlike traditional western Christianity. I see your neocon reasoning talking about rationalism and my answer is: there’s a reason Protestantism is matched with higher rates of democracy, development and freedom and it’s a good thing. I’m a conservative Protestant and I can still favor the west. Be real, we’re not responsible for a random crackheads made up religion (Mormonism) as EO is not responsible for crazy interpretation off shoots like nestorianism.
I'm biased of course, but I've never seen another expression of faith sing as a body so beautifully. However, other expressions, such as other traditional, historical Christian expressions, have absolutely amazing music. The Eastern Church especially is wonderful.
Some great channels for those interested in Lutheran theology: Scholastic Lutherans, Truth Unto Godliness, and Dr. Jordan B. Cooper. Javier Perdomo also has a bunch of great interviews with more Classical Protestants in general.
@@RookEditz It's not disputed that Luther had his own novel ideas about the canon of Scripture. He considered Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation to have "a different reputation" than the rest of the NT books and put them in a section removed from "the true and certain chief books of the New Testament." It's a fact that 2 Maccabees presented a big problem for deniers of Purgatory. Both Luther and Calvin acknowledged this, and it's probable that this conflict was a major driver in their rejection of the Deuterocanonicals.
My best friend who God used to bring me to the faith is a Presbyterian. Even if the organizations don't get along on everything, the church bodies do. I love my Presbyterian friends. Others too but the frozen chosen have a special place in my heart
You forgot the dogma we have of filling church pews from the back to front. Early bird gets the perfect 100yd view and gets to be a sort of second greeter
@@lory3771 haha growing up I assumed it teaches people not to be late to church. Gotta make that walk in front of everyone and sit right in front of the pulpit.
@@lory3771 "and we have all sinned (makes eye contact with you) and fallen short of the glory of God" 😂 Then the alarm is set 15 minutes earlier next Sunday
@@shanekahrs4776**catches you dozing off** “Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Couldn’t you men keep watch with me for one hour?” he asked Peter.”
@@IdontKnow-jt2oz as a Missouri Synod Lutheran from Minnesota, yes there are a ton of Missouri Synod churches here. I know there are a few Wisconsin Synod, but I don't think it's as widespread as LCMS
We all family out here. Many of us have different interpretations of random verses throughout, but the one thing we all absolutely agree on is who Christ is. One big happy family (unless theology is involved). Love you all. We da body Edit: He knew there would be differences between us. There is a purpose for it. 1 Corinthians 12
That's...kinda the point of Lutheranism. Luther never wanted to break away from Rome, but rather take out the corruption and keep the good. Not everything from the Catholic Church was bad at the time, but there were (and still are) major doctrinal teachings that were/are unbiblical. The other Reformers, once Luther got popular, took the Reformation a step further and revolted against Rome rather than work with Rome. This is why Lutherans often reject being called "protestant" because that usually implies a church body that is direct opposition to Rome. Again, Lutherans WANT to be reconnected with Rome, but not until those doctrinal differences outlined in the Lutheran Confessions are resolved.
@@aidanshorey8249 That is not reform, that is replacement. Also, there is no Catholic doctrinal teachings that are unbiblical. The bible arises out of Church, it is not the foundation of it. If it was supposed to be, Jesus would have written it like Mohammed wrote the Koran, not collected from various authors and adopted based on conformity to existing Christian belief and practice.
@@aidanshorey8249I'd encourage you to look into the writings of the earliest Church fathers to see how they interpreted the Bible... you know, the students of the people who wrote it, or those people's students. You may not find modern Catholic (developed, not invented) doctrine, but I think you'd find an even greater lack of modern Lutheran and Protestant theology. For example, the Didache (written around 50 AD) is commonly viewed to be the teachings of the first Apostles, and it identifies the Mass as a sacrifice. Just a suggestion! May God bless you and all your endeavors to greater serve Him and His kingdom. Vivat Iesus!
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@@KevvoLightswiftRevelation is a game of “what the crap do you take literally here” and Lutherans go “pretty much none of it.” I’d say that’s a solid way to go about it, but I have very little experience with Revelation apologetics, so take that with about a pound and a half of salt.
They believe in true presence but then critize Catholics for thinking the Eucharist is the literal body of christ. Have had this conversation more time than i can count
I'm an atheist, but as an externalist about a lot of things, I can see the appeal in Lutheran theology. Lutheranism seems to add a kind of practical element to theology too. I guess that's very German.
As a Catholic I greatly admire Lutherans. The only true Protestants and Luther taking his stand is the only one worth respect. Calvin, Henry VIII and all sludge which followed I don't consider Christian at all. Calvinism Christianized Islam.
…Oh. That’s…interesting. (Lutheran here). So the thing that makes you a Christian is how much you stand up for your beliefs, even if they contradict the accepted view of the faith? Or is it just the specific beliefs of Lutheranism that make it true Christianity? Genuinely curious, because I have always been taught that as long as someone believes that Jesus is their Lord and Savior from sin and that He is a member of the Holy Trinity in the manner described in the Athenasian Creed, they’re a Christian (and all the other stuff follows). All of the “Protestant” denominations accept those terms, so what’s the objection here?
@@lory3771 Lutherans departed the least from Christ and His Church. One is a Christian if they received valid Trinitarian baptism. I don't know how many of the pseudo prots of the Radical Reformation acknowledge the Creeds. God is not the author of confusion so did not found Protestantism. The Catholic Church recognizes most baptisms and hence considers them Christian. Virtually none return the acknowledgement to Catholics.
@@IamMysterium I’m curious what you mean by “valid trinitarian baptism.” All the Protestant denominations acknowledge the creeds-in fact, that’s kinda the thing that unites Christians throughout time and space, and is the reason they are defined as Christians. As far as I know, every denomination recognizes all other baptisms except a select few that are kinda weird. The this is, whether God is the author of confusion or not is a non sequitur, because while He created an orderly world, not only is the Church not of the World, but God works in terms of what is good for those who love Him, and can certainly choose to give His gifts in many different ways.
Salvation is not up to your consideration , And you can not judge all other Christians you have zero authority in this matter. Theology 101 God is who He say He is We are who He says we are. Turn to God and be His people. The church is God's and we are to be turned to Him
Honestly, I feel that if you think in terms of “Real Presence” in terms of communion…you’re missing the point of communion. It isn’t about his actual blood and body: it’s about the New Covenant itself. Jesus, as God, was literally giving us the terms of the New Covenant, exactly like a marriage covenant, which is why the Church is referred to as the “Bride of Christ”. To be completely literal is to miss the point of it all. But as long as we agree that Jesus is the Christ, our King and Savior, and the only way to approach the Father for salvation…we can disagree on doctrine.
Please stop saying, that Lutherans think "baptism saves". Luther himself says that baptism without faith is just useless water. I have his big catechism right here, in it's original german language. Lutherans don't think baptism saves. Period. Luther says baptism is a thing in which a great treasure is to be found, but only for those who have faith. Faith saves, not baptism. And now I will present you the exact quotes of Martin Luther on this topic, straight out of his big catechism, that I will translate on the fly, because it is in german: "The faith alone saves, but it needs an outwardly sign it can hold onto, like baptism. Now some of our smartipants claim, that faith alone saves and works and outwardly things contribute nothing. To that we respond: Of course this is only a work of the faith, as we will hear later as well. But what those blind-leaders don't want to see, is that the faith needs something to have faith in. That means, something it stands on, something to hang onto. So the faith hangs onto the water und believes, that the baptism is something in which life and saving is; not for the water's sake, as has been said often enough by now, but because it is mixed with god's word and command and because his name is glued to it. If I now believe thusly, what other thing do I believe in as in god? Because he is who gave his word into it and planted it, and gave us this outwardly thing in which we can grasp this treasure?" end quote. In a later section he says: "[...] 'who believes and gets baptized is saved', that means faith alone makes a person worthy to recieve the redeeming, divine water in a useful way. Because what is thaught and promised with the words about the water can not be received in any other way than if we believe it from the bottom of our hearts. Without faith this water is useless, even if it is a divine, overflowing treasure. [...] Because it is unshakable: Who has no faith contributes nothing and receives nothing" end quote. (the last sentence is about salvation)
“Lutherans” are named after Martin Luther, ^in English-speaking countries^. Back in Germany, they are called “Evangelicals”, which in the USA seems to refer to the Protestant version of Charismatics (or snake-handlers, as I contemptuously call them). I assume that “Evangelical” is also used in Scandinavian countries, but haven’t spoken to any foreign citizens to check; I am just going off the US names of the old national churches in the USA, back before they merged into the ELC in the 1960s.
"Evangelical" in Germany can also mean reformed and some other denominations, due to the EKD organizing nearly all protestant denominations in Germany. But Lutheranism is probs be the biggest denomination in the EKD.
Hot take: when god said this is my body this is my blood whether it literally means that it is his body and blood or not does not take away from the spiritual and physical significance of it
@@DefenderOfChrist_false church. Just 2 argument, 1sola fidae is nowhere biblecal, 2 lutherans believe that every source of faith must come from the bible, yet nowhere in the bible it's written that every other scriptures aren't meant to be studied in doctrines
@@Starstyc okay so you think we should also just study the Quran, the gnostic scripture and Book of Mormon? You think there isn’t some scripture that is meant for Christianity,only and some for other things?
@@Starstyc you haven’t read the Bible if tou think Sola File is not taught: Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. Romans 10:9 if you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Acts 16:31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved-you and your household.” John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Here are 4 examples of Sola File, if you think Sola File isn’t biblical then you simply just haven’t read the Bible.
@@Starstyc Sola Scriptura just means we believe in the infallible authority from God, inspiring by the Holy Spirit. While everything other than the New Testemente like the Gnostic writtings simply just comes much later, and is not by inspiring by God. You should come back to Lutheranism after you have these 3 comments by me.✝️💙
@@elementofepic1338 from your bible Premise 1 - Colossians 1:15 claims that Jesus is the "first-born" of all the created things. Premise 2 - Created things have a beginning and a creator. Premise 3 - God's necessary attributes include being eternal (uncreated and without beginning). Conclusion - Therefore, Jesus cannot be God. Psalm 89:20 ,27 NASB 20 “I have found David My servant;With My holy oil I have anointed him,27 “I also shall make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth. David was not a firstborn son. Jeremiah 31:9 ESV With weeping they shall come, and with pleas for mercy I will lead them back, I will make them walk by brooks of water, in a straight path in which they shall not stumble, for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. The corrupt Bible even proofs you wrong in every step.
I think this wouldve been better if he had explained more of WHY Martin Luther published what he did and WHY Lutherans decided to part from Catholicism.
In short: The Catholic church sold Indulgence in the 1600’s. An Indulgence is when you pay money to have your sins forgiven or to reduce your time in purgatory. Martin Luther thought this was unfair and tried to reason with the church which eventually lead to him being excommunicated in 1521. He then formed his own church.
I am somehow more confused about Lutheranism than before the video since it just seems like they put enthuius on ritual (i.e. baptism and eucharist) without guidelines/doctrines for how one should act or interpret the teachings. I.e. the only way to identify a Lutheran is show up to their church on Sunday. Although this might just be from how you explained it in the shortened format.
I have a hard time not believing in predestination when you look at some verses in the bible about God choosing us for example romans 9:10-18 but I don't believe in double predestination like the Calvinists I believe God chooses who to save, but that does not mean it's his fault that we need to be saved in the first place because if double predestination were true I don't see why God would even bother giving us the choice to sin. So that's why I'm a Lutheran and not a Calvinist but as long as we trust that Jesus died for us free will is a pretty small problem doesn't matter in the end
The Bible's first lesson is that God created man out of dirt. You are dirt. You are a sinner, and need to humble yourself before God and confess your sins. Religion mandates Humility as a virtue, and Pride as a sin. The second lesson is fear of God and his threats of Hell. "Fear of God" is also a virtue. The third lesson is to be intellectually malleable. Religion teaches you to believe in fairy tales, think in dysfunctional styles of thought, and to rely on the clergy to explain life and how to live. A really important lesson is that Faith supersedes reason. Religion is not about God or Salvation. Religion is about money and power. Religion is a business. It's the way the minister makes money. Jesus is the merchandise, Salvation the sales pitch, and fear of Hell "The Great Motivator." The minister teaches you to scrutinize and pass judgement on every minute aspect of your life, every imperfection, every selfish impulse should be highlighted and condemned. No matter what you do, you are ALWAYS wrong. He admonishes you to constantly OBEY God, confess your sins, admit your weaknesses, and plead for God's love, mercy, and forgiveness. Above all you must fear the fires of Hell. The Minister teaches you to humiliate yourself, cower in fear, and destroy your self-respect. Psychiatrists tell us these behaviors are all toxic to our health. Now why is the preacher doing that? He wants to control you. A humble, fearful, regressed people are easy to manipulate. A humble person obeys without thought. A person with self-respect has PRIDE in himself and is not easy to manipulate. He works hard to develop his strengths, NOT his weaknesses. He focuses on building himself up, not TEARING HIMSELF DOWN. A confident person will question authority and it's directives and measure the implications and make a reasoned decision that serves his and society's best interest. In the competitive world we live, humility is a dysfunctional behavior that leads to failure and makes you easy to abuse and MANIPULATE. Self-respect is strength. It's the name of the game.
God never threatens Hell, and if Christianity were truly hellbent on manipulation for money, we'd see that from a historical perspective, but we don't except for a specific time period within the Catholic church during the dark ages (yes there are bad people today, not denying that, but they don't even make up a percentage point of Christianity)
what does baptism represent in the lutheran church? and can anybody be baptized and be 100% saved even tho they still sin intentionally and ignore christ?
But I thought Martin Luther formed the Protestant Church which believes the body and blood is a representation (Btw I’m catholic so is = is for us as well)
There is no "Protestant" church. It's a family of movements that flowed out of the same era for similar reasons. As Catholics like to remind us of frequently: "Protestants are all over the board theologically."
@@vngelicath1580 Ah okay, but Martin Luther still believed it was a representation, so I don’t understand why a Lutheran would believe that if they’re named after him.?
@@ReeTuber118 Luther believed in Consubstantiation basically meaning the bread is still bread, but through word the bread and the body of Christ become One, though they are still seperate. Calling it Consubstantiation can be imprecise, if you really want to argue but for now it's the best.
I grew up in a Lutheran Church and they never told us communion involved the actual body and blood of Jesus. As I got older I thought it was a Catholic thing, who knew our church just didn't talk about it lol
They believe it is "spiritual" presence of Jesus which makes it the real presence. Catholics think that Jesus is spiritually present everywhere, and the sacrament is therefore more literal, the miracle accomplishing what it signifies.
The thief on the cross is actually one of the reasons that we say that faith alone is enough to save. There’s a verse somewhere that says “Whoever believes and is Baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” Notice that not being baptized isn’t a criterion for condemnation, but it is mentioned alongside salvation. Another place says “Baptism now saves you.” Basically, we interpret that to mean that whenever possible, one should be baptized, as it is a sure way to be saved. A corollary of this is that we believe that, logically, if someone truly believes, they would want to be baptized, hence no issue. However, in cases where baptism is simply not an option or is denied, things get tricky. If it isn’t an option, we believe that faith alone is enough. Baptism is the physical water combined with the saving grace of God, though, so it’s still a means through which grace is received, along with Communion and the Word of God. Jesus paid for our sins on the cross once and for all, and that payment is, in essence, delivered to us through these “means of grace.” When baptism is denied, we usually take that as an indication that that person isn’t a true believer yet, but we can’t be sure, and it’s not our place to say one way or another (wheat and weeds parable). The thief on the cross is an instance where baptism is literally impossible-however, we know by Jesus saying “Today you will be with me in paradise” that, at least in this case, it is unnecessary. But we still baptize babies because we don’t want to take any chances, and then we try to raise them in the faith. That, and we believe that baptism is a gift of God given freely, so why wouldn’t you want it? Tl;dr: We don’t need to explain it, because Jesus said the thief would be with Him in paradise.
@@lory3771Ok. Thank you for the explanation. That clears a lot up. So you don't believe Baptism saves but that true Salvation leads to Baptism when possible?
@@geochonker9052 Not quite. Baptism saves as long as it’s not rejected, but faith alone also saves, as does communion. Each is sufficient on its own, but we like to have them all because we think that’s pretty cool.
@@lory3771 Also, if faith alone saves so you can be saved without Baptism, and you have to have faith to be "saved by baptism", then doesn't that mean you are already saved before you are baptized?
But he wasn't speaking in a parable at the table. Just like he wasn't speaking in a parable on the cross. Every time Jesus spoke in a parable, the writers make it clear he was telling a parable.
The writers of the gospel makes it clear when he spoke in parable and he ordered them to eat a bread a drink a cup of wine. He wouldn’t say it was his body and blood if it wasn’t and he wouldn’t have ordered them too do it, if it wasn’t either.
Lutheran pastor here. This is 100% accurate. You want a forty minute sermon that helps you understand the Bible better? That's called Bible study. That comes after the service with coffee and donuts. But first, let's have a shorter sermon that deals with a specific text and shows us in a very specific way how we fall short of the glory of God and are justified freely by his grace.
How do you, as a lutheran pastor, say it is 100% accurate to say "baptism saves" when Martin Luther himself says, that baptism without faith is just useless water? Baptism doesn't save, faith saves.
@@Dsingis 1 Peter 3:21: "and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"
Baptism saves. It saves you BY THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST. Baptism gets its power from Christ's resurrection and the promise of God that it saves. It is completely valid to baptize children, but if you ignore Jesus' command to baptize AND make disciples which need to happen concurrently (Matthew 28) then you're not doing what you're supposed to. We don't view it as a magic trick. It's the first step in a process.
We were Catholic for 43 years before finding the book of concord. We had already had a traumatic experience in the church and we felt that there was no ministry other than mass. No bible study, no youth group, no feeding the poor. Just our experience. Anyway, we found an LCMS church and have never felt more loved and welcome. We have fellowship, service, then Bible school -birth through death. We have a youth group and some kind of ministry everyday. I was always taught Protestants don’t believe in good works. I understand our works do not save us. I asked our Pastor why we do so many works and he quoted Luther (I think) “ Show me a man without works and I’ll show you a man without faith.” My family loves going to church m, even though were their 8:30 till noon. The kids love it and are immersed with scripture. My daughter was top Theology student at her catholic school. I asked her teacher how, and after complimenting her he said most of the Catholic kids are disengaged. I did meet with the Bishop with our concerns and while he said he understood nothing was done. Just my personal experience. I don’t mean to criticize the entire Catholic Church as this was just our experience
I say Lutheran is better than being catholic but the problem I think with Lutheran according to the explanation in the video short is that God doesn't save us just through bread and wine, it is a rememberence of his Body and Blood, so every week we can remember him through it even if we have forgotten. Baptism establishes that you have received the holy Ghost if not taking baptism is nothing but a tradition, baptism symbolises that you died as your old self and rose as new one through and in Christ.
@@orangesite7625 First off, I will correct you (I understand we may just agree to disagree on this) but it isn't just bread and wine but also Christ's body and blood. We don't try to explain how like the Catholics who say it's transformed or the Calvinists who say that our soul ascends to heaven to receive Christ's body and blood there (where in the Bible does it say that lol). We simply say that Jesus said "is" in the most grave of circumstances. He was giving his last will and testament. Let's not play fast and loose with those words. Yes I know that it doesn't taste like meat or blood, but Jesus said "is" so we say "is."
Now that that's out of the way, I'll point out that we don't say that the Lord's Supper saves because the Lord's Supper can only properly be received by someone who is already saved. That being said, in Matthew 26:28 Jesus said "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." "This" refers to the contents of the cup he was passing around in that moment. We say that the Lord's Supper forgives sins, because Jesus says it forgives sins.
As for baptism, you don't give it enough credit. 1 Peter 3:21 says it now saves. You can argue however you want about what the "pledge of a clear conscience to God means but it doesn't matter because it literally says that baptism saves. Also in Galatians 3:27 and Romans 6:4 make it sound like there is more going on than just symbolism. Baptism is something that God does for us, not something we do for God. We say that God's promise gives it the power.
Spot on. Que the Mr. Incredible meme. "Body and blood" is "Body and blood!"
Cue* but can also use Queue*; you managed to mash them together 😂 but that’s okay still a great reference!
Is it though? Do lutherans believe Jesus was holding his own Body? Or that he was holding a piece of bread united to his Body?
Lutherans seem to believe that "Body and Blood" is "bread united with Body and wine united with Blood". That when Jesus said "this is my Body" He said "this is united with my Body"
@@igorlopes7589 i suppose so? I’m Catholic, as I understand it, the bread and wine are blessed by the Holy Spirit thus becoming the Body and Blood so as long as any interpretation of the Bread and the Body, and Wine and Blood are always synonymous, then how someone chooses to mentally break that down to be better understood isn’t illegitimate
@@autumn-marissamcclounie7868 The thing is that they don't believe the "This" Jesus talked about was his Body, but that it was a piece of bread united with his Body. The consecrated Bread and the Body of Christ aren't the exact same thing for them, but rather two connected and yet distinct realities. They aren't synonymous
For the record, Trent anathematized the lutheran view on the Eucharist, it is not a possible view for us catholics.
@@igorlopes7589ok I could be wrong but the way I think it’s perceived is kind of like the hypostatic union. Jesus is fully God and fully man in one body. The bread of the Eucharist is fully bread and fully body, the bread is still there in communion. The wine is fully wine and fully blood. The real presence is there and but the elements also stay.
Today I learned that I as a Catholic am not the only denomination of Christianity that believes in the Real Presence.
Be very careful they don’t lead you astray. They don’t even have the full bible, they removed many books about it. Only a priest can intervene in the Eucharist. These people don’t have it. They have very different beliefs than Catholics.
@@johnmatrix-qf4jdstill more then welcome to enjoy communion with them tho. Doesn’t that say a lot?
Yes, but you belong to the original and the one connected to Jesus himself.
@@snoopy3587 *coughs in Eastern Orthodoxy*
Most Anglicans believe this as well.
I’ve read a book last year talking about Christians that may have had OCD and Luther was one of them and I gotta say I suspect it too and the focus on looking to Christ rather than your own experiences feels very telling of that. Though I don’t agree with the whole of Lutheranism, I definitely agree with that. Being an OCD suffer myself there’s a certain liberation you get when you’re able to fully trust what Christ did and let go of what’s going on with yourself.
This has always been something I've struggled with over the years with OCD. I was always focusing on how I felt, my doubts, how sincere I was, my sin, etc. Not to say there isn't room for proper examination and dealing with sin, there definitely is, but OCD can make you do so in improper and unhealthy ways. My pastor kept pointing me to Christ, who He is, what He did, and my need to trust in Him. It's still difficult living with OCD, but looking to Christ and focusing on Him and His Word has been an extreme help 😊. Also, what was the book you were reading? I'd be interested in reading it myself.
@@ZoomerRising correct!
@@StAndersonOfArizona the book is called “Can Christianity Cure Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder?” By Ian Osborn. It’s a good read and was really helpful for me when I was having a real hard time last year. Would definitely recommend. :)
Another OCD sufferer, here. Last year I had something of a breakdown over obsessive thoughts about my salvation. I’m still recovering, but I’m learning that to trust actually means to not obsessively think about it! I can actually afford *not* thinking about the issue, since it’s all been done for me.
@@itspikachutime5624 Thanks, excited to check it out!
I'm Presbyterian, but I love the Law-Gospel distinction hermeneutic in Lutheranism. Shout-out Lutherans!
Same
And I'm Baptist, but I really like the idea of having a formalized crash course on the basics of faith for young and new believers like Confirmation. Denominations may be something that divides the church, but I think we can learn and glean a lot from believers of different denominations (so long as they adhere to the core biblical truths). For example, you're Presbyterian and I really appreciate the attitude of reverence towards the Kingship of Christ that's been displayed in the Presbyterian churches that I've visited (on the flip side, although I personally have a more stoic and neutral personality, the Pentecostal attitude towards worship resembles that displayed by King David on several occasions).
@@matthewjohnson2428 Amen!! :)
@@matthewjohnson2428 But confirmation and practices like it are the biggest problem in American churches and probably any church--taking someone coming to faith and deceiving them into false religion with no fruit and work of the Holy Spirit rather than getting them saved first so the Holy Spirit can do that work in them and they are a genuine Christian.
So you reject half the Bible
The Song in the background is written by Luther himself.
"Wohl mir das ich Jesum habe" german and means: I'm blessed to have Jesus.
This Song is written for piano and an singer
Yes, however I think the version playing in the background of this video is by J.S. Bach
I hate that I thought of Neon Genesis Evagelion first
I thought I recognized it as his.
@@Hannah-hc6yr Correct! And in some circles, I guess you could say Lutheranism is known more for Bach than for Luther himself!
No. It is Bach BWV 147 "Jesus Bleibet Meine Freude" or "Jesus Joy of man desiring"
Is means is
So, pray tell, how do you literally eat slavery?
@@Ironica82 what?
What do you mean what does slavery have to do with the Lord's supper@@Ironica82
@@excancerpoik @rakotomalala9982 The entire setting of when Jesus took the bread and the wine was the Passover. The Passover was instituted as a remembrance of what God did for Israel in the exodus. It was at the end of the usual meal that Jesus added the bread and wine element as a remembrance of His body and blood that was going to be sacrificed the next day. The entire meal is symbolic and meant purely as a remembrance. Part of that meal, however, is the bitter herb as a remembrance of how they were slaves in Egypt. So, if you believe the elements are actually literal (or becomes literal as taken), then how do you literally eat slavery? If the entire meal is symbolism, why does the two added part suddenly become literal, even when Christ specifically says it is in remembrance of Him (just like all the other elements were in remembrance of the exodus)?
Is Jesus slavery? No, he is not, therefore when taking the Lord's supper we take the blood and body of Jesus, not the bread and blood of slavery.
I (and all other Lutherans) have only said its literally the body and blood of Jesus. You are just adding the part about slavery so you can have something against us@@Ironica82
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I'm intrigued by Lutheranism, can you tell me more about it?
So if im Eastern Orthodox im wrong?
@@Gheata_Fost_Usa_Misterioasayou are right!!
@Chrstian_PDB_FREE_ISRAEL_NOGAY Denominations are wrong
Don't be protestant or Catholic or Orthodox or Oriental be Christian
Christians are saved; anyone from any denomination can be saved, that is the point of his crucifixion and resurrection
@@Juan-gd1wd you sound like a gen z rookie convert to EO because it’s trendy and unlike traditional western Christianity.
I see your neocon reasoning talking about rationalism and my answer is: there’s a reason Protestantism is matched with higher rates of democracy, development and freedom and it’s a good thing. I’m a conservative Protestant and I can still favor the west. Be real, we’re not responsible for a random crackheads made up religion (Mormonism) as EO is not responsible for crazy interpretation off shoots like nestorianism.
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Lutherans have the best music of any denomination
I prefer anglican / catholic music.
I love the Eastern Orthodox chants
Eastern Orthodox have.
I'm biased of course, but I've never seen another expression of faith sing as a body so beautifully. However, other expressions, such as other traditional, historical Christian expressions, have absolutely amazing music. The Eastern Church especially is wonderful.
Catholic for sure
Some great channels for those interested in Lutheran theology: Scholastic Lutherans, Truth Unto Godliness, and Dr. Jordan B. Cooper. Javier Perdomo also has a bunch of great interviews with more Classical Protestants in general.
I love your avatar/name.
As a Lutheran, this is precisely what the small catechism says. And yes, you do not want to start a fight with a Lutheran on anything. You WILL lose.
We know our doctrine and the Biblical defenses of it to back it up.
Be Luther
Object to a traditional doctrine
Find it in the Bible
Conclude that the book isn't actually in the Bible
"Sola scriptura"
@@jdotoz False, study Lutheranism first before you comment anything
Except when it comes to the book of Revelation, lol.
@@RookEditz It's not disputed that Luther had his own novel ideas about the canon of Scripture. He considered Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation to have "a different reputation" than the rest of the NT books and put them in a section removed from "the true and certain chief books of the New Testament."
It's a fact that 2 Maccabees presented a big problem for deniers of Purgatory. Both Luther and Calvin acknowledged this, and it's probable that this conflict was a major driver in their rejection of the Deuterocanonicals.
I am a baptist-Lutheran
(Long story short, my parents are divorced, so different churches.) and I agree
Literally dropped as soon as I decided to join a Lutheran Church
Welcome, welcome! I hope you have a great experience!
Noooo! Accept the authority of the Barque of Peter!!!! (I jest - mostly. May God bless you and your endeavors to be fruitful to Him!)
If you have any questions feel free to ask here!
Welcome to the Lutheran Church.
You're so welcome in our Church!
Happy Lutheran here, I don’t disagree much with this video because it’s generally accurate.
Nice 3rd yt short. I like these, informative, and quick!
Lutheran theology is very safe and sound, it makes many trees of good fruit
‘You is a cannibal’ - a baptist probably
Lutheranism is cool.
Love, from a Calvinist.
While we disagree on many things (I’m a Lutheran), at least we can agree its Gods work our hands.
I like Calvinist and Presbyterians -Love, from a Lutheran
Lmao, what @Sebman1113 said, I will never believe in predestination but at the end of the day we worship the same God😂
My best friend who God used to bring me to the faith is a Presbyterian. Even if the organizations don't get along on everything, the church bodies do. I love my Presbyterian friends. Others too but the frozen chosen have a special place in my heart
hi protestant paladin
You forgot the dogma we have of filling church pews from the back to front. Early bird gets the perfect 100yd view and gets to be a sort of second greeter
Well…that’s not just us. It’s pretty much all Protestants. I will admit it is very noticeable, though.
@@lory3771 haha growing up I assumed it teaches people not to be late to church. Gotta make that walk in front of everyone and sit right in front of the pulpit.
@@shanekahrs4776 😂Ain’t no way you gonna be late after you get a Pastor Jones sermon directly to the face
@@lory3771 "and we have all sinned (makes eye contact with you) and fallen short of the glory of God"
😂 Then the alarm is set 15 minutes earlier next Sunday
@@shanekahrs4776**catches you dozing off**
“Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Couldn’t you men keep watch with me for one hour?” he asked Peter.”
IS MEANS IS!
What does this mean?
*IS*
Is means united with!
Please we need more Lutherans in Minnesota and the Dakotas! Lutherans should travel more!
Idk about other denominations but I’m pretty sure Minnesota has a large presence of Missouri and probably Wisconsin synods (don’t do Elca)
@@IdontKnow-jt2oz as a Missouri Synod Lutheran from Minnesota, yes there are a ton of Missouri Synod churches here. I know there are a few Wisconsin Synod, but I don't think it's as widespread as LCMS
Grew up Lutheran, yes our sacramentology is very very important to us.
IS MEANS IS
We all family out here. Many of us have different interpretations of random verses throughout, but the one thing we all absolutely agree on is who Christ is. One big happy family (unless theology is involved). Love you all. We da body
Edit: He knew there would be differences between us. There is a purpose for it.
1 Corinthians 12
Love the Bach in the background 😊
Bro spent the first 40 seconds just describing Romans
Well, Luther did kinda like Romans
That's...kinda the point of Lutheranism. Luther never wanted to break away from Rome, but rather take out the corruption and keep the good. Not everything from the Catholic Church was bad at the time, but there were (and still are) major doctrinal teachings that were/are unbiblical. The other Reformers, once Luther got popular, took the Reformation a step further and revolted against Rome rather than work with Rome. This is why Lutherans often reject being called "protestant" because that usually implies a church body that is direct opposition to Rome. Again, Lutherans WANT to be reconnected with Rome, but not until those doctrinal differences outlined in the Lutheran Confessions are resolved.
@@aidanshorey8249 That is not reform, that is replacement.
Also, there is no Catholic doctrinal teachings that are unbiblical. The bible arises out of Church, it is not the foundation of it. If it was supposed to be, Jesus would have written it like Mohammed wrote the Koran, not collected from various authors and adopted based on conformity to existing Christian belief and practice.
@@aidanshorey8249Luther wanted to remove Revelation, Jude, James and Hebrews from the bible.
@@aidanshorey8249I'd encourage you to look into the writings of the earliest Church fathers to see how they interpreted the Bible... you know, the students of the people who wrote it, or those people's students. You may not find modern Catholic (developed, not invented) doctrine, but I think you'd find an even greater lack of modern Lutheran and Protestant theology. For example, the Didache (written around 50 AD) is commonly viewed to be the teachings of the first Apostles, and it identifies the Mass as a sacrifice. Just a suggestion!
May God bless you and all your endeavors to greater serve Him and His kingdom. Vivat Iesus!
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(SERIOUSLY don't pick a fight with Lutherans: Calvinists have a reputation for being arrogant and mean and THEY think WE are the arrogant and mean ones.)
About the only theology Lutherans can't defend is anything from Revelation. That's where they'll lose. Or maybe they won't. That book can be trippy.
@@KevvoLightswiftRevelation is a game of “what the crap do you take literally here” and Lutherans go “pretty much none of it.” I’d say that’s a solid way to go about it, but I have very little experience with Revelation apologetics, so take that with about a pound and a half of salt.
@@lory3771 as a Lutheran, that's like no joke exactly what I believe lol
@@andrewerath5585 Ik I’m Lutheran too😭
@@lory3771 hmmm uuhhh well see you at NYG next year then! 😂 jk, unless 😏
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Can confirm I’m always feeling closest to Jesus after receiving His body and blood in the holy sacrament of the Lord’s supper.
I'm nothing without Christ.
hi, i’m not christian and in fact am ex christian, but i still really enjoy your videos on christian theology, keep them up!
You're most definitely going to start a war if this comment gets enough traction.
@@detective2221lmaoooo😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Lord Jesus Christ, God keeps all of you happy and healthy. Glory be to Lord Jesus Christ✝️
Luther preferred the phrase evangelical catholic, which is exactly the key point that most "Lutherans" miss.
I am Lutheran and I approve this message.
As a Lutheran, this was scarily accurate 💀
They believe in true presence but then critize Catholics for thinking the Eucharist is the literal body of christ. Have had this conversation more time than i can count
I know people say law gospel is very Lutheran, but I feel like every Protestant preacher speaks alot like this
I'm an atheist, but as an externalist about a lot of things, I can see the appeal in Lutheran theology. Lutheranism seems to add a kind of practical element to theology too. I guess that's very German.
As a Catholic I greatly admire Lutherans. The only true Protestants and Luther taking his stand is the only one worth respect. Calvin, Henry VIII and all sludge which followed I don't consider Christian at all. Calvinism Christianized Islam.
Calvanism is of the devil
…Oh. That’s…interesting. (Lutheran here). So the thing that makes you a Christian is how much you stand up for your beliefs, even if they contradict the accepted view of the faith? Or is it just the specific beliefs of Lutheranism that make it true Christianity? Genuinely curious, because I have always been taught that as long as someone believes that Jesus is their Lord and Savior from sin and that He is a member of the Holy Trinity in the manner described in the Athenasian Creed, they’re a Christian (and all the other stuff follows). All of the “Protestant” denominations accept those terms, so what’s the objection here?
@@lory3771 Lutherans departed the least from Christ and His Church. One is a Christian if they received valid Trinitarian baptism. I don't know how many of the pseudo prots of the Radical Reformation acknowledge the Creeds. God is not the author of confusion so did not found Protestantism. The Catholic Church recognizes most baptisms and hence considers them Christian. Virtually none return the acknowledgement to Catholics.
@@IamMysterium I’m curious what you mean by “valid trinitarian baptism.” All the Protestant denominations acknowledge the creeds-in fact, that’s kinda the thing that unites Christians throughout time and space, and is the reason they are defined as Christians. As far as I know, every denomination recognizes all other baptisms except a select few that are kinda weird. The this is, whether God is the author of confusion or not is a non sequitur, because while He created an orderly world, not only is the Church not of the World, but God works in terms of what is good for those who love Him, and can certainly choose to give His gifts in many different ways.
Salvation is not up to your consideration ,
And you can not judge all other Christians you have zero authority in this matter.
Theology 101
God is who He say He is
We are who He says we are.
Turn to God and be His people.
The church is God's and we are to be turned to Him
Lutherans should use this to advertise. Where do I sign up
What is the opposite of Arianism, Patrick?
HA! Great reference my friend!
Honestly, I feel that if you think in terms of “Real Presence” in terms of communion…you’re missing the point of communion. It isn’t about his actual blood and body: it’s about the New Covenant itself. Jesus, as God, was literally giving us the terms of the New Covenant, exactly like a marriage covenant, which is why the Church is referred to as the “Bride of Christ”. To be completely literal is to miss the point of it all. But as long as we agree that Jesus is the Christ, our King and Savior, and the only way to approach the Father for salvation…we can disagree on doctrine.
Lutheranism in 5 seconds: [Biblical Citation Needed]
Ya, that’d be the catechism for ya
John 6, 1 Peter 3:21, Acts 2:38
Bro is posting shorts 💀
Lutherans: "IS MEANS IS"
Metaphors:
*Real presence!*
Probably the least heretical protestant denom. At least they acknowledge real presence and the importance of Baptism
Greek american here. I love lutheranism more than orthodox works based theology.
I'm Lutheran
Ex Lutheran this is accurate.
what are you now?
Please stop saying, that Lutherans think "baptism saves". Luther himself says that baptism without faith is just useless water. I have his big catechism right here, in it's original german language. Lutherans don't think baptism saves. Period. Luther says baptism is a thing in which a great treasure is to be found, but only for those who have faith. Faith saves, not baptism. And now I will present you the exact quotes of Martin Luther on this topic, straight out of his big catechism, that I will translate on the fly, because it is in german:
"The faith alone saves, but it needs an outwardly sign it can hold onto, like baptism.
Now some of our smartipants claim, that faith alone saves and works and outwardly things contribute nothing. To that we respond: Of course this is only a work of the faith, as we will hear later as well. But what those blind-leaders don't want to see, is that the faith needs something to have faith in. That means, something it stands on, something to hang onto. So the faith hangs onto the water und believes, that the baptism is something in which life and saving is; not for the water's sake, as has been said often enough by now, but because it is mixed with god's word and command and because his name is glued to it. If I now believe thusly, what other thing do I believe in as in god? Because he is who gave his word into it and planted it, and gave us this outwardly thing in which we can grasp this treasure?" end quote.
In a later section he says:
"[...] 'who believes and gets baptized is saved', that means faith alone makes a person worthy to recieve the redeeming, divine water in a useful way. Because what is thaught and promised with the words about the water can not be received in any other way than if we believe it from the bottom of our hearts. Without faith this water is useless, even if it is a divine, overflowing treasure. [...] Because it is unshakable: Who has no faith contributes nothing and receives nothing" end quote. (the last sentence is about salvation)
Is means is. And as a catholic, it's the same here
“Lutherans” are named after Martin Luther, ^in English-speaking countries^. Back in Germany, they are called “Evangelicals”, which in the USA seems to refer to the Protestant version of Charismatics (or snake-handlers, as I contemptuously call them). I assume that “Evangelical” is also used in Scandinavian countries, but haven’t spoken to any foreign citizens to check; I am just going off the US names of the old national churches in the USA, back before they merged into the ELC in the 1960s.
"Evangelical" in Germany can also mean reformed and some other denominations, due to the EKD organizing nearly all protestant denominations in Germany. But Lutheranism is probs be the biggest denomination in the EKD.
My parents baptised me, Lutheran (Dad's Danish, so Mum had no say). My Catholic priest said I was all good when I asked.
Hot take: when god said this is my body this is my blood whether it literally means that it is his body and blood or not does not take away from the spiritual and physical significance of it
Could anyone share what’s the name of the background score?
A rendition of J.S. Bach’s “Jesus, bleibet meine Freude” (“Jesu, Joy of Man’s Desiring” is the English title for it). Beautiful piece!
Based Lutheranism
Jesus is a literal gate (John 10:7) 🤗😇🙏 #jesusgate
Big debate on the " baptism saves " concept .
Broke off from the church to do things the church already did
Is means is. It is truly Jesus’ body and blood in the Eucharist.
"'Is means is,' but not, like, literally, because that's just silly, CATHOLICS."
“Do not start a fight with the Lutherans over this.”
Religious wars in a nutshell.
I’m Lutheran. Our Pastor, Jeff is the best
The vegan workaround of cannibalism
Pure Gospel.... says the Lutheran. Protestants never wonder why Lutherans have so much in common with the original Christian Church 🤔
Spot on!
As a Ex Luthern, this is real
Why did you leave Lutheranism?
@@DefenderOfChrist_false church.
Just 2 argument, 1sola fidae is nowhere biblecal, 2 lutherans believe that every source of faith must come from the bible, yet nowhere in the bible it's written that every other scriptures aren't meant to be studied in doctrines
@@Starstyc okay so you think we should also just study the Quran, the gnostic scripture and Book of Mormon? You think there isn’t some scripture that is meant for Christianity,only and some for other things?
@@Starstyc you haven’t read the Bible if tou think Sola File is not taught:
Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Romans 10:9 if you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Acts 16:31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved-you and your household.”
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Here are 4 examples of Sola File, if you think Sola File isn’t biblical then you simply just haven’t read the Bible.
@@Starstyc Sola Scriptura just means we believe in the infallible authority from God, inspiring by the Holy Spirit. While everything other than the New Testemente like the Gnostic writtings simply just comes much later, and is not by inspiring by God. You should come back to Lutheranism after you have these 3 comments by me.✝️💙
At the first Lord's Supper was it His body and blood when He was sitting there intact?
Yes.
Still is nothing have changed still the same Lord's supper as the first one.
We’re named “Lutheran’s” because that’s what Rome called us and the name just kind of stuck.
"It depends on what your definition of is, is."
-Bill Clinton
Is means is
But "the only true God" doesn't mean that God is above all of his creation including Jesus (A.S.)
Jesus isn't a created being
@@elementofepic1338 from your bible
Premise 1 - Colossians 1:15 claims that Jesus is the "first-born" of all the created things.
Premise 2 - Created things have a beginning and a creator.
Premise 3 - God's necessary attributes include being eternal (uncreated and without beginning).
Conclusion - Therefore, Jesus cannot be God.
Psalm 89:20 ,27 NASB
20 “I have found David My servant;With My holy oil I have anointed him,27 “I also shall make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.
David was not a firstborn son.
Jeremiah 31:9 ESV
With weeping they shall come, and with pleas for mercy I will lead them back, I will make them walk by brooks of water, in a straight path in which they shall not stumble, for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
The corrupt Bible even proofs you wrong in every step.
I think this wouldve been better if he had explained more of WHY Martin Luther published what he did and WHY Lutherans decided to part from Catholicism.
In short: The Catholic church sold Indulgence in the 1600’s. An Indulgence is when you pay money to have your sins forgiven or to reduce your time in purgatory. Martin Luther thought this was unfair and tried to reason with the church which eventually lead to him being excommunicated in 1521. He then formed his own church.
Orthodoxy ☦️
Redeemed Zoomer is such a great teacher.
I am somehow more confused about Lutheranism than before the video since it just seems like they put enthuius on ritual (i.e. baptism and eucharist) without guidelines/doctrines for how one should act or interpret the teachings.
I.e. the only way to identify a Lutheran is show up to their church on Sunday.
Although this might just be from how you explained it in the shortened format.
It's part of his video where he sums up every denomination in a minute, so that's probably why it's a tad confusing with the lack of depth
I’m not a big fan of Luther.
But, I’m catholic. 😅😅😅
Christ be magnified in all Christ centered decimations and churches
I am interested for when he does Latter Day Saints.
Hopefully he doesnt confuse Fundamentalists for Latter Day Saints.
lloyd de jongh is doing an Exposé on Luther currently
I have a hard time not believing in predestination when you look at some verses in the bible about God choosing us for example romans 9:10-18 but I don't believe in double predestination like the Calvinists I believe God chooses who to save, but that does not mean it's his fault that we need to be saved in the first place because if double predestination were true I don't see why God would even bother giving us the choice to sin. So that's why I'm a Lutheran and not a Calvinist but as long as we trust that Jesus died for us free will is a pretty small problem doesn't matter in the end
The Bible's first lesson is that God created man out of dirt. You are dirt. You are a sinner, and need to humble yourself before God and confess your sins. Religion mandates Humility as a virtue, and Pride as a sin. The second lesson is fear of God and his threats of Hell. "Fear of God" is also a virtue. The third lesson is to be intellectually malleable. Religion teaches you to believe in fairy tales, think in dysfunctional styles of thought, and to rely on the clergy to explain life and how to live. A really important lesson is that Faith supersedes reason. Religion is not about God or Salvation. Religion is about money and power. Religion is a business. It's the way the minister makes money. Jesus is the merchandise, Salvation the sales pitch, and fear of Hell "The Great Motivator." The minister teaches you to scrutinize and pass judgement on every minute aspect of your life, every imperfection, every selfish impulse should be highlighted and condemned. No matter what you do, you are ALWAYS wrong. He admonishes you to constantly OBEY God, confess your sins, admit your weaknesses, and plead for God's love, mercy, and forgiveness. Above all you must fear the fires of Hell. The Minister teaches you to humiliate yourself, cower in fear, and destroy your self-respect. Psychiatrists tell us these behaviors are all toxic to our health. Now why is the preacher doing that? He wants to control you. A humble, fearful, regressed people are easy to manipulate. A humble person obeys without thought. A person with self-respect has PRIDE in himself and is not easy to manipulate. He works hard to develop his strengths, NOT his weaknesses. He focuses on building himself up, not TEARING HIMSELF DOWN. A confident person will question authority and it's directives and measure the implications and make a reasoned decision that serves his and society's best interest. In the competitive world we live, humility is a dysfunctional behavior that leads to failure and makes you easy to abuse and MANIPULATE. Self-respect is strength. It's the name of the game.
God never threatens Hell, and if Christianity were truly hellbent on manipulation for money, we'd see that from a historical perspective, but we don't except for a specific time period within the Catholic church during the dark ages (yes there are bad people today, not denying that, but they don't even make up a percentage point of Christianity)
what does baptism represent in the lutheran church? and can anybody be baptized and be 100% saved even tho they still sin intentionally and ignore christ?
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But I thought Martin Luther formed the Protestant Church which believes the body and blood is a representation (Btw I’m catholic so is = is for us as well)
There is no "Protestant" church. It's a family of movements that flowed out of the same era for similar reasons. As Catholics like to remind us of frequently: "Protestants are all over the board theologically."
@@vngelicath1580 Ah okay, but Martin Luther still believed it was a representation, so I don’t understand why a Lutheran would believe that if they’re named after him.?
@@ReeTuber118 Luther believed in Consubstantiation basically meaning the bread is still bread, but through word the bread and the body of Christ become One, though they are still seperate. Calling it Consubstantiation can be imprecise, if you really want to argue but for now it's the best.
@@dvistein Thank you for explaining your faith
I grew up in a Lutheran Church and they never told us communion involved the actual body and blood of Jesus. As I got older I thought it was a Catholic thing, who knew our church just didn't talk about it lol
They believe it is "spiritual" presence of Jesus which makes it the real presence. Catholics think that Jesus is spiritually present everywhere, and the sacrament is therefore more literal, the miracle accomplishing what it signifies.
That must've been one of those "Lutheran" churches that also has lesbian weddings and pastors that quote Malcolm X in their sermon.
How do Lutherans explain the thief who was crucified next to Jesus that was saved without ever being Baptized?
The thief on the cross is actually one of the reasons that we say that faith alone is enough to save. There’s a verse somewhere that says “Whoever believes and is Baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” Notice that not being baptized isn’t a criterion for condemnation, but it is mentioned alongside salvation. Another place says “Baptism now saves you.” Basically, we interpret that to mean that whenever possible, one should be baptized, as it is a sure way to be saved. A corollary of this is that we believe that, logically, if someone truly believes, they would want to be baptized, hence no issue. However, in cases where baptism is simply not an option or is denied, things get tricky. If it isn’t an option, we believe that faith alone is enough. Baptism is the physical water combined with the saving grace of God, though, so it’s still a means through which grace is received, along with Communion and the Word of God. Jesus paid for our sins on the cross once and for all, and that payment is, in essence, delivered to us through these “means of grace.” When baptism is denied, we usually take that as an indication that that person isn’t a true believer yet, but we can’t be sure, and it’s not our place to say one way or another (wheat and weeds parable). The thief on the cross is an instance where baptism is literally impossible-however, we know by Jesus saying “Today you will be with me in paradise” that, at least in this case, it is unnecessary. But we still baptize babies because we don’t want to take any chances, and then we try to raise them in the faith. That, and we believe that baptism is a gift of God given freely, so why wouldn’t you want it?
Tl;dr: We don’t need to explain it, because Jesus said the thief would be with Him in paradise.
@@lory3771Ok. Thank you for the explanation. That clears a lot up. So you don't believe Baptism saves but that true Salvation leads to Baptism when possible?
@@geochonker9052 Not quite. Baptism saves as long as it’s not rejected, but faith alone also saves, as does communion. Each is sufficient on its own, but we like to have them all because we think that’s pretty cool.
@@lory3771What do you mean by Baptism being rejected?
@@lory3771 Also, if faith alone saves so you can be saved without Baptism, and you have to have faith to be "saved by baptism", then doesn't that mean you are already saved before you are baptized?
reformed YHWH be like: "i represent what i represent"
Baptism doesn't Save, Faith in Christ Saves. Baptism is a Public Testimony of your Faith.
Then why did Peter say in Acts "Baptism now saves you?"
Luthernism has never believed in the "Real Presense" i.e. transubstantiation. The video poster seems a tad confused.
Luther had another message, but we’re not allowed to talk about that anymore…
What message?
I find the “is means is” statement very interesting because Jesus spoke in parables and such all the time. Not everything is said was literally
But he wasn't speaking in a parable at the table. Just like he wasn't speaking in a parable on the cross. Every time Jesus spoke in a parable, the writers make it clear he was telling a parable.
The writers of the gospel makes it clear when he spoke in parable and he ordered them to eat a bread a drink a cup of wine. He wouldn’t say it was his body and blood if it wasn’t and he wouldn’t have ordered them too do it, if it wasn’t either.
And then Luther he took the Bible and tore out the books that he felt did not fit his faith and said "Sola Scriptura"
Im in catechism to be a Catholic
Agreed with Lutherans till the is part
😂 so true
This is a brilliant satire
Never met a Lutheran that believed in the real presence of christ in communion but ok
Must have been one of those "Lutherans" that allow lesbian weddings and have a pastor who quotes Malcolm X in their sermons.
Now you have.