The Small Cinema Rig (Sigma fp)
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2023
- The smallest cinema camera rig you can build is with the Sigma fp. The size to performance of the Sigma fp is the best you can get for a small cinema rig. The ability to record 12 bit raw is amazing, and today I will show you the best SSD rig for the Sigma fp.
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Sigma fp: amzn.to/43iGTEQ
Sigma EVF-11: amzn.to/44ksQAi
ZILR HDMI Cable 4K: amzn.to/3D7ymtQ
DJI RS3 Mini: amzn.to/44tLEgc
SMALLRIG Cage for AirTag: amzn.to/44yX4z4
SMALLRIG Mini Top Handle: amzn.to/448M8IF
7artisans Full Frame Cine Lens Kit: amzn.to/3NIh7Ej
DPL fp Modular Cage Sigma fp L SSD slot LVF rotator: tinyurl.com/5n8myum6
DPL M80DT SSD case M.2 2280: tinyurl.com/yt64rp3k
Samsung 990 PRO Series - 2TB NVMe: amzn.to/3PRKCX0
DPL Sigma fp Flip Screen Modification: tinyurl.com/32tfu7vj
DPL Sigma fp BH2 battery grip: tinyurl.com/38a9bz77
Abracam ClipOne 3F114 Matte box: tinyurl.com/3ya34d7c
Firecrest Ultra Cine Superslim Kit: tinyurl.com/y6mknntp
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DPL's stuff is mind blowingly well designed. One could spend as much time gazing at their hardware's beauty as actually using it. Like we have done for their components on our fp L.
I support small businesses like DPL they actually solve problems people have you know.
This rig looks beautiful. Great work.
@@ryanleethomas thanks
Locksley coming in clutch with the DPL review. Thanks, man, I really appreciate this one 🙏🏾
Thanks for watching bruv.
That cage is awesome!
Really great info on the Sigma. Definitely want to look into it more. I really like the those car mounted shots! The one of the tach was 👌
Awesome, thank you! I’m liking it a lot.
I’ve had the fp from the week it was released and I’m so pleased you have made a great video after all this time of a brilliant modifications of the camera. Definitely looking into to Dark Labs.
Glad it helped. The sigma only had a few minor issues. Because of the size I’m able to shoot anything I want and have cinema level quality. I’m just in love with the raw work flow.
It's awesome to see how you've put your rig together. Great info! I recently acquired a sigma fp, and the dark power cage, and was wondering which ssd to get...super helpful...thank you!
I’m glade I could help. Can’t keep at the secrets to myself. 🫱🏼🫲🏿
It looks like a weapon , love that rig. Very nice video.
Thank you for watching. This rig was nice. 😊
Definitely like how you put this together boss. It’s only a matter of time before you channel is at 10k subs. Keep up the good stuff!
Always showing love bruv. 🙏🏿 thanks man
Great Stuff! Thanks
Personally I love the T5s. Totally adaptable when configuring. Put it anywhere on the rig with one of many different brackets for super easy changeout. No fans no fuss. And now there’s even a “hot swap-able” dock for them.
I recently got a t5 with a camera I bought. I will try it out.
Buen vídeo, gracias por visitar Ecuador, éxitos 🎉
gracias hermano. muy pronto nuevo video.
My man is rocking the small rig AirTag hehe that shits legit
Can’t afford to loose this little guy. Too much work into it.
I have the Tilta screen mod on a Blackmagic 6k with the same SSD on board and wow it is worth every bit of the installation anxiety.
It is a solo filmmaking dream.
It is forehead slapping that these features are not rolling out in the production models.
Tilt screen makes it so much more useable
Your grades on the FP look great! Can you please make a video on your workflow? Thanks!
its on the list brother.
Great video 🔥I rigged up my FP-L with few mods from dark power too. Awesome quality and design.
I’ve been talking with DPL and they’re working on a cage that is even better than the current and combines a lot of features into one part.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms that’s great. I can’t wait to see what they come up with
00:15 lol
The products are good man. 🥲 money gone
i had the same problem with my DPL ssd rack. It would overheat. You also can't use the HDMI port with a good cable at the same time either. Great video and nice setup you have.
Yes those drive do over heat if you record for long periods of time. I will be making a follow up video with and update.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms I'm using a HU-11 hot shoe and a Lanparte SSD-T5 rack at the moment but with the DPL battery grip it's a bit wide
I wish I haven't seen this haha
good stuff
Haha. Try it out man. It not for the faint of hear.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms changing a whole system is not a simple “try it out” haha not when we are at the edge of another economic crisis
looks great - I worry about your HDMI cable though - looks like it's breaking. My began acting up the other day on set so I'd definitely pick up a back up on yours 🙂
I’m not too worried about it. I have and hdmi lock in it but it was kinda janky. I’m going to message dark power labs to see if he would make an hdmi lock for the ssd rack on the left side. Fortunately I like recording from the usbc port so if it does go. It’s not the end of the word to me. However I’d pay sigma to fix it. I fired my camera - gave it 12v via dummy battery last year and had to send it in. Sigma gave me a loaner until they fixed it. They fixed the camera with the tilt screen mods on it and everything lol. I paid full price I had no warranty. Lol
If they added a compressed codec (10 bit h264/265) I’d 100% get this camera. And DPL makes just beautiful stuff, he’s so far ahead other rig builders in design and taste.
By the way, you have a really pleasing voice.
@@AlreadyTiredOfYou thank you. Hahaha.
Great video ❤
3:02 have you tried to paint the inside of filter box with one of those graphene paint like vanta black? It will eliminate most of innder scattering lights. I wonder what it will do to shots under super bright conditions
I haven’t. Would be cool though.
It's a beauty.
Appreciate it man. 🤗
We love using the sigma fp.
I wouldn’t take my FP apart like that at all, but SUCH A DOPE setup!
I was scared too man. Not gonna lie.
Great rig and video. I love the compact nature of this. Big and bulky is definitely not the way forward but I suppose it depends on the camera and use case. I was toying with the idea of doing the flip-screen mod on my FP. How long did it take you to complete and was it difficult?
I took my time so if same 1-2 hours.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms I don't blame you. Thanks for sharing you experience.
This video makes me miss my FP. That cage/screen setup certainly solves the design issues, especially the lack of tilty screen. I owned my FP for just over 3 1/2 years and I've bought a few other cameras since then, but the image quality of those camera doesnt compare to the FP. Now Im starting to think about getting another😅.
I’m making a tutorial on how to calculate the footage this weekend should be fun
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms Nice, I'll be sure to watch.
@@DayPhotography thanks brother
Wow, I've picked up a Sigma FP in a store and have really wondered about using this little camera - seeing it rigged up now it looks super capable. I shoot on the Panasonic S1H but this could be a good option for quicker smaller shoots. How do you find the 10 bit handles when grading ?
Well first, I use 12 big cDNG however. When you change it to 10 or 8 bit cDNG the data rate is still higher than most other codecs so the quality it’s great.
How do you like portkeys bm5 ability to control nucleus motor? Nice setup! I love this camera so much.
I haven’t tried controlling the nano with it. However I’ve been use the bm5 for years with my zcam. As you can see this is the first gen bm5. They have improved a lot on version 2.
This is a cool rig! I would personally have opted for the BM Video Assist 7" and recorded BRAW 5:1 to a fast UHS-II SD card. Just because the CDNG files are pretty cumbersome and storage intensive. Plus fewer things going in and out of the camera. Otherwise this is an amazing setup. The SSD caddy looks like a fantastic option if you're not looking for BRAW
I like BRAW I use it everyday at work with the black magic cameras. However, using slim raw is amazing for doing post compression. I don’t always use a monitor with my rig when traveling for example. On vacation.
I have 60tb NAS so storage isn’t an issue. If you’re using Davinci to edit braw you won’t really have any issues or you can use Davinci to transcode the footage to ProRes.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms Slim RAW looks fantastic! Thanks for the inputs, I'll see how that can incorporate into my workflow :)
@@jayforcinema I can somehow compress the files to like 10-30% the original file size. It’s insane.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms slimraw is incredible
@@JoelFriedline I agree
I found a perfect lens for my FP. Leica 24-90 f2.8-4 with stabilization. I can shoot handheld again :)
I will do some youtube vid about it soon. It's an amazing combo.
Sounds amazing. I use the canons to get stabilization.
I've got that lens for my SL2, for some odd reason I've never slapped it on the FP! Just put it on today and man it looks strange haha!
Amazing thank you sharing- I would love to purchase the cage, I couldn’t see the link for it - is it available yet?
The link is there... you just have to click on the option for the part you want. tinyurl.com/yckt5j5a
Hey bro!! I'm really following for couple of months, after takng my Fp.. I'm facing issue for the autofocus when using my Gimbal shots.. Can you help me to fix this isuue, Please..
Love your Sigma FP videos. This rig looks amazing! Makes the camera very capable. I have som questions regarding recording in Director's Viewfinder, that you might be able to answer. I've heard different things about this mode. Some say that this mode can record desqueezed anamorphic video, is this correct? Can I record FHD 12bit Raw in Director's Viewfinder with an anamorphic lens that is properly desqueezed? Is it desqeezed from 16:9 or full sensor open gate? If recording is possible, does it record the image as hardcoded desqueezed or as a squeezed image?
It sounds like Director's Viewfinder is veryy capable, but I hear conflicting things about it, would be very nice to get some clarifications about what this mode is actually capable of!
I’m actually not sure. I don’t use that feature of the camera. I will have to look into this.
Awesome setup, but that mini hdmi and C connector need to be secured (clamped) or it’s going to break in the camera. I’ve had several close calls breaking mine before I was able to rig a clamping solution. I had to gently bend the connectors back in place with a mini screwdriver. Thanks for great vid!
Good point! I recently picked up the black magic video assist and i will be make a video about it soon. I have the hdmi clamp that comes with the camera.
really nice compact rig,... great channel where did you get the case for the ssd cant seem to find it ??
Links are in the description. It’s from dark power labs
Hi! How long can an ssd drive burn 12-bit cdng raw in 4k format without stopping, in this case with active cooling? How many minutes?
such a dope and powerful little camera
One of the most underrated cameras still.
FYI: You can also get a dummy battery for the Sigma FP. Great battery solution.
True however, I’m not interested in increasing the size of the camera to use and external battery. This is my gimbal cam to complement my ursa 12k. Stay tuned for videos on that.
I got everything but that screen mod, Really apprehensive about delaminating the screen from the camera body, but ngl it would absolutely tie everything together.
Great parts from the manufacture tho
I did it to a used camera I got from an eBay deal so I wasn’t too scared but I was still nervous.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms Love it! great video man. Subscribed, and looking forward to seeing more of your work!
@@danriordan6395 thanks bruv.
Man this setup is really dope!!!
I am about to get the exact same. I just have one question:
How did you connect the external monitor with the SSD rack from DPL connected? There is only one usb port 😌
Depends on with rack you get. I’m currently working a videos about recording braw external.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms hi there, thanks for the quick answer. I plan on getting the exact setup as you demonstrate in this video. I had the first gen ssd rack and I had overheating issues + cricket noise. But based on what you said, you have none of these issues with this setup.
May I know if you try to record long interview with this setup? Like 1h straight in CDNG 12 Bit 4K?
Thanks for your answr
@@camillesaintcharles I want to make an update video because I do have issues recording high fps with my current ssd. Other than that everything works great.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms oh! Thanks for the answer, I look forward seeing your video about the limitations. I did not think you got issues as the SSD you took was above specs but I thinks it’s linked to how the data is written (like some T5s can handle all kind of recordings from the FP but not faster drive).
Maybe it’s coming from the Samsung SSD (if you have the chance to try another brand like sabrent or reach out to DPL for advices) as I don’t think it’s because you have a direct connection to the port vs passing by a high speed usb cable
what are the symptoms of the smaller SSD enclosure, is there any drop frame...? will the SSD be ruined due to overheating....? I have never heard of and SSD overheating and affecting the camera though, can you explain more...? Because I just bought the small SSD rack and enclosure, due to the small size, I don't like to use a cage.
I will be working on a video soon to show all the downside of the configuration, how to overcome them. Then explain the reason why some might chose to do this over getting a completely different camera.
Man I wish the FP could do 4k 60...Anyway, for handheld shots, can you recommend a lens with I.S?
I only have a pair of canon lenses with I.S. But I believe sigma and Panasonic some with make some with L mount.
What gimbal did u use in the video??ronin rsc ?mini
I used the regular ronin rs3
hmm, says the flip screen mod and ssd case is no longer available. :(
Oh no.
Thanks for the video, The original Sigma Fp battery that comes with the camera (BP-51) is rated to supply 7.2V into the camera. I've read up on some forums where people had issues with frying their circuits on the FP when using a power supply supplying more than 7.2V.
1.)Does that battery handgrip supply 7.2V?
2.) How many months has it been now safely using that battery side grip to power your FP?
Thanks
The batter grip uses NPF batters that are 7.2 volts. The sigma fp cannot handle more that that and with get fired. I have don’t that to one before plugging it into a 14.7 dtap batters. Like an idiot.
I’ve used this setup for a year.
@LocksleyLennoxfilms ok thanks, which 7.2V battery do you recommend for the side handle that's been reliable for you?
@@patricex3095 there’s many on Amazon. You can just pick one. I used some that I’ve had for years.
Im curious if anyone has had this screen modification for any significant amount of time. Does the hinge/friction hold up over time?
It’s pretty strong. Made from metal
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms that's good to know. I wasn't worried about parts breaking so much as it eventually becoming too loose to hold the monitor in one place
Love this set up! I’m too scared to mod, but it’s SUPER clean and I’m into it
I wasn’t scared because at the time it wasn’t my main camera. I still had my z cam. Right now its my main unit I get the Lumix s5iix.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms maybe one day
No no no… soon… I’m working on it.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms oh I meant n modding the FP lol
@@Ansonandco oh haha. It’s worth man.. looking forward to see you do it.
What are you thoughts on cinemadng vs ProResraw through a ninja v?
Me personally, I’m not a fan of ProRes raw since it’s not supported in Davinci. I’m also not a fan of the Atomos monitors.
That being said, BRAW is a more complete compressed raw codec and if you’re using this camera everyday for commercial and documentary style videos. The black magic video assist would be the way to go. Especially if you use davinci.
If you have the extra time for example working on narrative projects. Then cDNG is what I would use. The uncompressed raw without a doubt will give you more room to push the grade.
Check out the clips from my EL Zone video.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms those clips in the el zone video are great. what's the workflow to import cDNG into premiere. cant find any info on it
@@roshanmaloney cDNG is no longer supported in Premiere... just another thing working against it. Any professional editing software should be able to use cDNG one of the oldest RAW codecs.
(Solution) You will have to use Davinci which supports it nativly or use it or After Effects to transcode the footage into ProRes.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms bummer. get with it @AdobeCreativeCloud , thanks for all the info man!
I have two FPs and both have mods from Dark Power. Wording how their newest SSD rack works, as thier first Gen was kind of meh.
I agree the first gen tiny one was meh. The 2280 size nvme setup is the best. You have higher quality drive to pick from.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms I also bent one of my arms on the screen so it never lays flat. Shows how hard on my gear I am. LoL
Amazing videos. Try to learn how to grade your footage more, in Davinci this camera can have amazing professional colors.
I have a tutorial in the works
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms You should have more subscribers, I discovered the FP today, and suddenly thanks to you I just discover a whole new way to see this camera, with all these rig tools.... with a gimbal and a PDMOVIE LIVE AIR 3 SMART , this camera can compete with professional beasts, if you know how to color grade it... amazing.
rthank you very much for the presentation - but: rather expensive accessories ... and unfortunately the tilt modification for the sigma monitor isn't available anymore.. but: for not so professional shooters there is an adapter solution for smartphones to work as an external monitor: Accsoon - with this rather affordable solution you can use your high res smart phone for the flexible sight on the display..
I’m working on a follow up video.
I think I stumbled on your ebay listing lol.
Life happens, I’m selling everything 🤷🏿♂️
@LocksleyLennoxfilms I know all about life happening. Lost a business due to that, I'm getting back on the horse now with something else. Your video definitely wants to make me get a Sigma FP though, you have a very beautiful setup. Unfortunately I'm not ready to buy a camera just yet, waiting on tax return which I won't get for another 3 months. I'm sure your camera will be long gone by then. Good luck in whatever future endeavors you have bro.
@@03chrisv this is a very niche camera so I think there are other options that are better for most use cases.
@LocksleyLennoxfilms Yeah, that's true. My use case is for studio use on a tripod/gimbal or recording cityscape night scenes on a tripod. 4K at 24/30fps is all I need, though 4K 60 is fine if the camera can do it, but 99% of what I want to record I want to have that "cinema look". I'm only considering the Sigma FP because it's full frame which is great for low light and because used ones in great condition can be found for around $1200 to $1300 with a 45mm lens included.
Though something like the new 2023 model Canon R8 is also full frame and can be bought as low as around $1,100 new on sale (black Friday deals) and is probably a more well rounded hybrid camera than the Sigma FP, it can even do 4K60 in C-LOG without any crop. Also both the FX30 and Lumix S5ii can be found in certain outlets for under $1,500 new right now due to sales, both of which are probably better than the Sigma FP in a lot of ways.
I think I just like the way the Sigma FP looks, especially with the add-ons. It inspires me in a way that most other cameras don't, but I do acknowledge there are better cameras for the price out there. I've been told before in the past to buy the cheapest camera body that will get the job done and to not waste money on features I don't need and save the money for other things like lenses, monitors, etc. I might just end up with the Canon R8 just because of that, even though I don't find it particularly exciting or think it has an attractive body design.
@@03chrisv I think cinema dng looks the best on the sigma but that workflow can be difficult for some people.
Sorry friend, but there is a lot of advice that gives bad results.
These ssds have a small capacity, require reloading to other media, and so on.
Everything can be solved much easier)
Successful work and thanks for your advertising work.
What misinformation are you talking about? Is 1tb not enough? 1 hour record time?
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms,Not only about this.
But 1 Tb is ridiculous for fp, I don’t have such small disks, I use several of 2 and 4 Tb, and then I stack them for direct mounting, without overloading them into the computer.
I can tell you about other questionable decisions.
A rotating screen for fp is evil, you have lost moisture protection for the sake of dubious convenience, which is easily implemented differently.
And so on.
It's your choice, I just want to say that it's far from ideal...
@@UriRa ok buddy. Thanks for the advice. Very productive conversation.
Are you not a native speaker? You consisntelty pronounce OF as OFF when it should be OV.
I am from Jamaica so I guess so.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms Oh cool. Well, I guess Jamaica has its own standard version of English then?
@@kentjensen4504yes
It's an AI replacement voice. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
@@tomkent4656 😂
nice video man!! its well done, now sell and join the sony cult
Only Sony I’d use is the Venice. Sorry not sorry bruv.
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms hater
@@LocksleyLennoxfilms Pawel Achtel thinks the FP is better anyway ;)
@@00chilli00 we’ll the sigma fp uses a Sony sensor so in that way I’m still using a Sony product.