Coming to the conclusion that less is more on bikes these days. 120-130bhp is enough for the road these days with increased torque figures on bikes these days. Beautiful looking bike though 👍 and of course an excellent video as ever Dan
Agreed. I've got a 2018 Aprilia Tuono and it's just way to fast for the road. Way to many ponies. Alternatively I've got an Aprillia RSV Mille which kicks out around 120/130 at the back wheel. Much much more fun than the Tuono.
honestly even 130hp is too much, i took the rs street triple out and that thing catapults you to 90-100, so easy to break the speed limit on these bikes, youve really gotta have restraint or its too easy to lose your license, even more so with speed cameras and average speed cameras going up everywhere
@@BodybuildingSteve Try the Tuonos launch control. Select first gear, dump the clutch, hold on for dear life and select second gear when you hit 100mph. I kid you not !
I own a 2023 V2 937cc monster with 111 bhp, I have used it eight times last year on track, only mods are a tail tidy, lithium battery and new rear sets (otherwise you melt your pegs into the track) . At Brands (Indy circuit) can keep track with inline 4, 1000 cc's weighs only 160KG, 16kg lighter than the new Panigale V2 and only 9hp less, a cornering beast. The most versatile bike I have ever used, perfect torque curve on the street and a diddle to maintain and repair, set of Allen keys and you can complete 90% of tasks. Exhaust booms when giving it the beans, but civilised when not. Pure perfection, so much so purchased a second hand Street triple 765 for next racing season, as I now know I am probably going to dump it, rather that, than my Duc. Oh yes, and it's £12K cheaper and comes with a fuel gauge!
I had this bike on rent for a week. It’s crazy fast. I look at it more as a collectors bike like the h2. In the real world, it’s just look I’m the big daddy bike. No mere mortal can use these bikes to their full capacity either on the road or track.
I test ride one of these a few weeks ago, as well as a V2. Preferred the V4 by a significant margin. The V4 just felt more complete. Main reason I would consider trading my well used S1000R on a V4 - the soundtrack. The difference in performance between the S1000R and the V4 is almost irrelevant, the V4 is far better looking to these old eyes, and considering the S1000 probably had the bees knees in electronics when I wheeled it out of the dealer all those years ago the electronics on the Ducati are impressive and the tricky e-suspenders are pretty impressive on quick broken country roads. Great bike.
@@nlmaster9811 not at all macho. What is the need of buying a bike when you can use 50% of its power only 90% of the time. It’s a waste of time and money. The V4 is obviously not fit for everyday commute or even city riding, it’s good for the track, and track I don’t do.
One of the guys in our bike group just got a V4S last week, a 2020 one with the full akra and the marchesini wheels it looks and sounds fantastic. I've had a little shot on it and honestly it is incredible but just bonkers for road riding, barely even think about opening the throttle and you're triple digits 😅 the way it just goes savage over 9/10k is addicting and probably going to get you in serious trouble 😅 the handling and electronics though really are quite something else, would really like a shot on the V2 version
Well, how are you supposed to use the 200+bhp on a regular street? I mean, seriously. I ride an RSV4 and getting above 3rd gear is kind of a rare thing in usual traffic.
I was recently between the V4S and a BMW S1000R. I absolutely loved the V4S (no such thing as too much power lol) but my closest dealer is 2 hours away, while BMW is local, which ended up being the tie breaker (though I ultimately see one of these in my garage in the next couple years). The V4S is a truly amazing machine. I will say I’ve absolutely uncorked my S1000R and am extremely happy with it. Good review!
I ride a Multi V2S with a mere 113bhp, it’s still no slouch with a stonking mid range, first Ducati after years of other makes but I’d have another. They are a making some great bikes that make you feel special and they are not fragile like they used to be…
Love my recently purchased 2017 939 Supersport, Ducati should make a Supersport with this engine. I would rather have a fairing that protects me from the wind than those wings on the side. its another bike with tons of power that you can't use fully because of the lack of wind protection. but still a beautiful bike.
Awesome review as always Dan. That is one amazing machine. The way that thing gets up to speed is crazy. Sounds good as well. It is a bit pricy but it is a Ducati. They dont make cheap bikes haha. See you on the next one.
even my sv650 is too much for the road on most situations. 150hp plus bikes are a fetish and a lot more than most riders can use on almost any situation. Sure you can do 250kmh on some highways but at least in my country with a possibility of going to jail and worst, kill yourself. Also, more than a minute at over 160kmh on a naked bike is painful....When honda created the 48hp nc700 motor, it was based on a large scale study where it was proven 90% of riders ride under 6000rpm 90%of time. Also, on a long trip with bikes of different powers, weights and displacements they concluded that even the heaviest bike (320kg) used around 30hp on average with a peak twice of 85hp on a 2000km trip...
Agreed, I have a trident 660 and I really don’t need any more. Love the shorter gearing too, hitting 100kmh in 1st gear on a bike like the Ducati isn’t even fun compared to smacking up the gears and revving a bike out. Obviously this bike is fun as anything but as a daily, maybe not lol
At last, a common sense comment from someone. 200+ hp for the road? Brilliant engineering, but aimed at big wallets with little dicks. I concur with the comment on tha SV. Having just run-in my daughter's SV 650, the power available up to only 6000rpm is ample for solo and the peak is yet to come at 8500.
Yes it's 208bhp and way too much for the roads, but I'd have one. These new Ducatis' are fantastic bikes, my Multistrada V4S is an absolute peach of a bike. Thanks for a good, honest review🖖
I know you said it sounds great. However it's different strokes for different folks. I hate the noise it makes. Sounds like a lawn mower, or a washing machine in death throws.
Ive the 22 V4SP. Its another level again than the V4S. Plus the full Akrapovic system makes it sound absolutely amazing. I use to think my Tuono v4 1100 Factory was the best sounding bike. But the Akrapovic system on the Ducati is just amazing and not too loud. I mean its loud but not too much 😁
@@steveball2307 my friends got a 790! We went out riding over the holiday weekend last week. I found a rental for a '19 V4S with an akropovic exhaust and a stage 2 bren tune. Made 230hp... we both took turns riding it on the highway and we said we could NEVER own this bike. We would be arrested by the end of the day. When I was finished riding the V4 i hopped on his 790 (he then took the V4) and it felt like I was demoted to a childs toy! I'm telling you, the most insane, scary, incredible experience of my life.
If you dive into the settings you can keep the suspension active, but refine all of the parameters. For example, if you like the road setting but feel it dives too much on the brakes, just tweak the front brake support setting. It's so configurable you'd be hard pushed to not get the bike suited to exactly how you like it 👍
Can see the broad shoulders and big frame of Chopsy in front of you, have to wait for his version of the ride too! Thanks for your impressions - I'm sure I would select Road Mode for the test ride as well - as you mentioned, it is a bit choppy at low revs in first or second gear.
I’m used to my 1250GSA, tried the Ducati once, and oh my. I think its too much, I’m not nearly skilled enough to put down all that power. I dont need to reach mach 1 riding the twisties. I like it when I can max the throttle and use all the power. I guess you need to be motogp skilled for this mad machine😂
Nope.. rode the same 23 SFV4s and like the Hyper you can sit/cruise/speed at road sensible speeds and still enjoy it - you don’t need to be bonkers because the bike prefers to be thrown about in the corners unlike the 90% of “straight line hero” people who will buy this
Being honest, although fun in the high revs my 600 Hornet is already too much for the road so, yeah, the streetfighter must be way too much but I'm not gonna complain we can ride so much fun bikes on the road.
I have a 1098S Streetfighter, it’s a missile. You can’t hold on above 140mph. That’s 155bhp, so this is way way more…I dunno, I think even my bike is a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.
Having watched your video on the Ducati street fighter V4S it’s an expensive bike but I do think that Ducati should have given the a bit less power or torque from the engine that way it would be more usable in the uk but having said that it would be fine in Spain and other places like that but the Ducati V2 street fighter is a bit option because of the price difference especially when it’s very similar in to the new panigale V4 but the engine is something worth hearing so from that point of view use the Ducati street fighter V4 in wet mode on some of the uk roads and it should be quite usable and possibly don’t buy one new to save money that way you can enjoy it more
Beautiful machine, but yes far too much bike for the road if you want to keep withing the speed limits, as are most modern sports bikes or fast nakeds. It's lovely to have that power up to 50mph on most roads, and 70mph on motorways but you are using 30% of the bike's potential and not much of the fun top end, except maybe in second gear!
but it will break and wont look stunning on a recovery vehichle. 3 of us have just toured the scottish highlands, me on an MT-10, Hoppo on a Triumph 900, Gareth on a Ducati Scrambler. The Ducatis front sprocket clip broke at the end of the skyfall road, the chain gouged the swing arm, a run to ducati glasgow to pick a part up, fixed. went to the isle of skye, a bolt dropped out of the stand, last day there the key snapped in the seat release. recovery took 77 hrs to get him home. on the upside the yamaha and triumph toured loch ness and had an incredible time. motto of the story ...italia pulchra sed vitiosum.
It's a BS argument. Power is not just about hitting top speed. You need power everywhere. From a stop, changing lanes, pulling out of a corner... Unless of course you are just riding from your house to a coffee shop, a scooter will do you just fine. The V2, while cheaper and down on power, doesn't compare to the V4. It feels like half the bike. What matters is how you as a rider, uses that available power. And with the suite of modern electronics and engine management on these bikes today, it opens up a larger group of riders to handle these bikes.
Manufacturers all have a Flagship Machine ..£23,000 a lot of Dosh But it would be a Boring world if These Bikes were not Made , & the Tech Trickles down to the Smaller Bikes & its SuperCar Performance For a Lot Less than a porche Batman Would not Catch the Joker If He Rode One..🤡
Coming to the conclusion that less is more on bikes these days. 120-130bhp is enough for the road these days with increased torque figures on bikes these days. Beautiful looking bike though 👍 and of course an excellent video as ever Dan
Thanks Nick. Yeah crazy money and equally, crazy performance! I'm glad these are still made! 👌
1/3 of that is more than enough to have fun on the road.
Agreed. I've got a 2018 Aprilia Tuono and it's just way to fast for the road. Way to many ponies.
Alternatively I've got an Aprillia RSV Mille which kicks out around 120/130 at the back wheel. Much much more fun than the Tuono.
honestly even 130hp is too much, i took the rs street triple out and that thing catapults you to 90-100, so easy to break the speed limit on these bikes, youve really gotta have restraint or its too easy to lose your license, even more so with speed cameras and average speed cameras going up everywhere
@@BodybuildingSteve Try the Tuonos launch control. Select first gear, dump the clutch, hold on for dear life and select second gear when you hit 100mph.
I kid you not !
I own a 2023 V2 937cc monster with 111 bhp, I have used it eight times last year on track, only mods are a tail tidy, lithium battery and new rear sets (otherwise you melt your pegs into the track) . At Brands (Indy circuit) can keep track with inline 4, 1000 cc's weighs only 160KG, 16kg lighter than the new Panigale V2 and only 9hp less, a cornering beast. The most versatile bike I have ever used, perfect torque curve on the street and a diddle to maintain and repair, set of Allen keys and you can complete 90% of tasks. Exhaust booms when giving it the beans, but civilised when not. Pure perfection, so much so purchased a second hand Street triple 765 for next racing season, as I now know I am probably going to dump it, rather that, than my Duc. Oh yes, and it's £12K cheaper and comes with a fuel gauge!
I had this bike on rent for a week. It’s crazy fast. I look at it more as a collectors bike like the h2. In the real world, it’s just look I’m the big daddy bike. No mere mortal can use these bikes to their full capacity either on the road or track.
I test ride one of these a few weeks ago, as well as a V2. Preferred the V4 by a significant margin. The V4 just felt more complete. Main reason I would consider trading my well used S1000R on a V4 - the soundtrack. The difference in performance between the S1000R and the V4 is almost irrelevant, the V4 is far better looking to these old eyes, and considering the S1000 probably had the bees knees in electronics when I wheeled it out of the dealer all those years ago the electronics on the Ducati are impressive and the tricky e-suspenders are pretty impressive on quick broken country roads. Great bike.
I tested them both and ended up buying the V2. The V4 is too much for the city
@@freemind9106it’s all about the hand behind the throttle.
@@nlmaster9811 not at all macho. What is the need of buying a bike when you can use 50% of its power only 90% of the time. It’s a waste of time and money. The V4 is obviously not fit for everyday commute or even city riding, it’s good for the track, and track I don’t do.
One of the guys in our bike group just got a V4S last week, a 2020 one with the full akra and the marchesini wheels it looks and sounds fantastic. I've had a little shot on it and honestly it is incredible but just bonkers for road riding, barely even think about opening the throttle and you're triple digits 😅 the way it just goes savage over 9/10k is addicting and probably going to get you in serious trouble 😅 the handling and electronics though really are quite something else, would really like a shot on the V2 version
Too much for the road, too much for most riders, seems like!
But if Nigel said “It goes up to 6” would it have had the same effect?
He's laughing all the way. !!! So I don't reckon it's too much for the road. 👍
Ok don’t buy one
Well, how are you supposed to use the 200+bhp on a regular street? I mean, seriously. I ride an RSV4 and getting above 3rd gear is kind of a rare thing in usual traffic.
@@clayman1980dan moet je geen Porsche, Ferrari enz… kopen ook
I was recently between the V4S and a BMW S1000R. I absolutely loved the V4S (no such thing as too much power lol) but my closest dealer is 2 hours away, while BMW is local, which ended up being the tie breaker (though I ultimately see one of these in my garage in the next couple years). The V4S is a truly amazing machine. I will say I’ve absolutely uncorked my S1000R and am extremely happy with it. Good review!
Not a fan…looks like a beetle from the front
@@Mike-er7ympeople don’t buy other styles which is why they’re being phased out by every brand, which is heartbreaking.
I ride a Multi V2S with a mere 113bhp, it’s still no slouch with a stonking mid range, first Ducati after years of other makes but I’d have another. They are a making some great bikes that make you feel special and they are not fragile like they used to be…
Love my recently purchased 2017 939 Supersport, Ducati should make a Supersport with this engine. I would rather have a fairing that protects me from the wind than those wings on the side. its another bike with tons of power that you can't use fully because of the lack of wind protection. but still a beautiful bike.
Supersport with the V4 from the Multistrada be even better.
Awesome review as always Dan. That is one amazing machine. The way that thing gets up to speed is crazy. Sounds good as well. It is a bit pricy but it is a Ducati. They dont make cheap bikes haha. See you on the next one.
It's ridiculous! 😂
Love this bike just waiting for mine to be delivered after they have fitted the full titanium gp exhaust system ❤
My mates just bought one of these and now I’m very tempted!
even my sv650 is too much for the road on most situations. 150hp plus bikes are a fetish and a lot more than most riders can use on almost any situation. Sure you can do 250kmh on some highways but at least in my country with a possibility of going to jail and worst, kill yourself. Also, more than a minute at over 160kmh on a naked bike is painful....When honda created the 48hp nc700 motor, it was based on a large scale study where it was proven 90% of riders ride under 6000rpm 90%of time. Also, on a long trip with bikes of different powers, weights and displacements they concluded that even the heaviest bike (320kg) used around 30hp on average with a peak twice of 85hp on a 2000km trip...
Agreed, I have a trident 660 and I really don’t need any more. Love the shorter gearing too, hitting 100kmh in 1st gear on a bike like the Ducati isn’t even fun compared to smacking up the gears and revving a bike out. Obviously this bike is fun as anything but as a daily, maybe not lol
At last, a common sense comment from someone. 200+ hp for the road? Brilliant engineering, but aimed at big wallets with little dicks. I concur with the comment on tha SV. Having just run-in my daughter's SV 650, the power available up to only 6000rpm is ample for solo and the peak is yet to come at 8500.
S1000r feels more easy too drive🔥✊
That sums up my riding 😮
There's a lot to be said about riding a slow bike fast, instead of a fast bike slow!
Yes it's 208bhp and way too much for the roads, but I'd have one. These new Ducatis' are fantastic bikes, my Multistrada V4S is an absolute peach of a bike. Thanks for a good, honest review🖖
It’s the only bike I’d swap my Multistrada V4s for
I know you said it sounds great.
However it's different strokes for different folks. I hate the noise it makes. Sounds like a lawn mower, or a washing machine in death throws.
I fully agree with you. That's why I love the CP3 engine in my Yam XSR900 . So smooth.
That whiny rattle would drive me nuts 🙄
Probably the most appropriate name for a bike ever. So, when we get to 300HP in a bike, will that be enough? Seems silly.
I have one and it is perfectly fine for the streets. You just need to tweak the settings to your preferences.
Ive the 22 V4SP. Its another level again than the V4S. Plus the full Akrapovic system makes it sound absolutely amazing. I use to think my Tuono v4 1100 Factory was the best sounding bike. But the Akrapovic system on the Ducati is just amazing and not too loud. I mean its loud but not too much 😁
Man that thing is absolutely gorgeous
208 angry Italian horses. What a beast
Defo too much for the road but more is what people want lol ... V2 would be more than enough for the road 😎
Does it have cruise control yet?
Love to know exactly how many of those 208 horses were actually being used 😂
Hardly any.
Maybe 100
@@MarinaraTrackDays If that !
@@MarinaraTrackDays I know the 105hp of my 790 Duke scares me! 🤣
@@steveball2307 my friends got a 790! We went out riding over the holiday weekend last week. I found a rental for a '19 V4S with an akropovic exhaust and a stage 2 bren tune. Made 230hp... we both took turns riding it on the highway and we said we could NEVER own this bike. We would be arrested by the end of the day. When I was finished riding the V4 i hopped on his 790 (he then took the V4) and it felt like I was demoted to a childs toy! I'm telling you, the most insane, scary, incredible experience of my life.
If you dive into the settings you can keep the suspension active, but refine all of the parameters.
For example, if you like the road setting but feel it dives too much on the brakes, just tweak the front brake support setting. It's so configurable you'd be hard pushed to not get the bike suited to exactly how you like it 👍
Yeah man, finally EnglishBikerDan testing the Streetfighter (v2, v4)... really need your opinion about this bike bro👍🏿
Ducati do do a really nice suspension.
The front looks like an Aprillia sport scooter from the 90s, to me anyway
Too much for the road? That ship sailed many years ago... I have a 16-year-old Ducati 1098S... That was way too much for the road already...
Can see the broad shoulders and big frame of Chopsy in front of you, have to wait for his version of the ride too! Thanks for your impressions - I'm sure I would select Road Mode for the test ride as well - as you mentioned, it is a bit choppy at low revs in first or second gear.
I'd love to have tried Sport mode, but I couldn't figure it out. 😄
I’m used to my 1250GSA, tried the Ducati once, and oh my. I think its too much, I’m not nearly skilled enough to put down all that power. I dont need to reach mach 1 riding the twisties. I like it when I can max the throttle and use all the power. I guess you need to be motogp skilled for this mad machine😂
My god that looks fun!!!
Nope.. rode the same 23 SFV4s and like the Hyper you can sit/cruise/speed at road sensible speeds and still enjoy it - you don’t need to be bonkers because the bike prefers to be thrown about in the corners unlike the 90% of “straight line hero” people who will buy this
Being honest, although fun in the high revs my 600 Hornet is already too much for the road so, yeah, the streetfighter must be way too much but I'm not gonna complain we can ride so much fun bikes on the road.
Sport or track mode more agresive🔥🔥✊
Power is good! Ride into Valhalla with a smile on your face for sure...
I have a 1098S Streetfighter, it’s a missile. You can’t hold on above 140mph. That’s 155bhp, so this is way way more…I dunno, I think even my bike is a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.
Pretty much any bike over 120bhp on the road these days. But I'm glad they exist.
What jacket are you wearing?
Hi Dan, I think the street is very ugly and to much for the roads and for some riders
For the road, rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.
Having watched your video on the Ducati street fighter V4S it’s an expensive bike but I do think that Ducati should have given the a bit less power or torque from the engine that way it would be more usable in the uk but having said that it would be fine in Spain and other places like that but the Ducati V2 street fighter is a bit option because of the price difference especially when it’s very similar in to the new panigale V4 but the engine is something worth hearing so from that point of view use the Ducati street fighter V4 in wet mode on some of the uk roads and it should be quite usable and possibly don’t buy one new to save money that way you can enjoy it more
The engine sounds very harsh, not a nice noise. I'd rather have the Triumph Rocket 3 🚀🚀🚀
Beautiful machine, but yes far too much bike for the road if you want to keep withing the speed limits, as are most modern sports bikes or fast nakeds. It's lovely to have that power up to 50mph on most roads, and 70mph on motorways but you are using 30% of the bike's potential and not much of the fun top end, except maybe in second gear!
If you had so much money to spend which bike would you choose?
Probably a GS tbh.
@@Englishbikerdan a great and sensible choice, get a lot of bike and can do so many things with it very versatile
Feeling your enthusiasm Dan. For that power and price, you'd have to be a track junkie. Be a waste otherwise.
Yeah, track use would be amazing!
Amazing bike, but a bit too much for the road. I'd take the new Diavel over this.
Would they b anygood for pillion
I bought base tuono for that reason and still does everything I need - V4 is delicious
but it will break and wont look stunning on a recovery vehichle. 3 of us have just toured the scottish highlands, me on an MT-10, Hoppo on a Triumph 900, Gareth on a Ducati Scrambler. The Ducatis front sprocket clip broke at the end of the skyfall road, the chain gouged the swing arm, a run to ducati glasgow to pick a part up, fixed. went to the isle of skye, a bolt dropped out of the stand, last day there the key snapped in the seat release. recovery took 77 hrs to get him home. on the upside the yamaha and triumph toured loch ness and had an incredible time. motto of the story ...italia pulchra sed vitiosum.
Does it have cruise control?
Does not
Needs a top box and some handlebar muffs.
Literally too much! If i was a moto GP rider😊 beautiful bike though
It should be covered in carbon fibre instead of cheap plastics for the price Ducati want for it.
The only thing it’s missing is a cruise control and a fuel gauge 😢
In-line 4 engines sound way better that v4s
Nah i driven it yesterday. Plenty of power and it works^^ Feels like a nimble Tridet 660 tho. Gonna go for the Panigale V4 instead
For that money triumph rocket anytime
Obscenely too powerful for a road naked bike! I'd rather have the V2👍
We all know you don’t need it 💪🏼, but……… 😂
Kinda noisy, ain't she?
It's a BS argument. Power is not just about hitting top speed. You need power everywhere. From a stop, changing lanes, pulling out of a corner... Unless of course you are just riding from your house to a coffee shop, a scooter will do you just fine. The V2, while cheaper and down on power, doesn't compare to the V4. It feels like half the bike.
What matters is how you as a rider, uses that available power. And with the suite of modern electronics and engine management on these bikes today, it opens up a larger group of riders to handle these bikes.
Any bike has power everywhere. Otherwise they wouldn't move. 😂
@@Englishbikerdan Don't be a dog. You know what I mean.
It sounds terrible.
Such a good bike but....Its just so ugly man.
Manufacturers all have a Flagship
Machine ..£23,000 a lot of Dosh
But it would be a Boring world if
These Bikes were not Made , & the
Tech Trickles down to the Smaller
Bikes & its SuperCar Performance
For a Lot Less than a porche
Batman Would not Catch the Joker
If He Rode One..🤡
@Flippy
That DUCATIS Nippy
....isnt it Flippy ! 😃
@@jefflambert8603 😄
i don't understand why anybody would want that it would be alright for a track ride for an hour but no good for the road
I guess you didn't watch all of the video. It's actually really good and manageable on the road. Mad power of course.
I really don't understand you're reply.
stupid on a expensiv bike that not have fuel gauge.
Rich man's play thing nothing more.🤑
And they can’t even ride properly, they just ponce about 🙄