At the very least they could move slaughter from the shadows on to the glove rune where it matches all the other CP generators. A simple change of moving it and adding an ambush proc where backstab has a chance to make ambush available out of stealth could be a small but fun change.
I also agree that the poison charge system needs to go. It's very terrible for a tanking rogue for their poisons to fall off in the middle of combat, or slow the group down to re-apply. A timer is fine, and probably should be increased to 1 hour. Unfair Advantage should apply to both dodges and parries as well.
I really think they will change Focused Attacks head rune and FOK proccing it on each target. Same with Relentless strikes and Crimson Tempest. I really hope it will stay as it is, but i doubt they will let Rogues be just insane AOE machines in SoD. I dont think they really liked how it played out in WOTLK classic, and i doubt they will let it happen again. But i hope im wrong!
those debuffs that are provided by other classes might not stay up as reliably, specifically thinking about homunculi on fights where targets change or aoe damage comes out so i figured some high performing guilds would want a rogue that specifically manages those debuffs
Was looking at your old aoe build gearing from Wrath and I know you said it didnt work with the two tier sets, but I was wondering if you know if the darkmantle set energy regen will stack with the stormshroud armor would love to hear if you know, thanks!
What is that ranged ability you can use without a cooldown to do that big BRD pull at the end of the video? Only just started playing rogue so I'm not sure.
If I wanna start to play has a Rogue on SOD from level 1, I can do it with a Phase 3 build using daggers? Or it's better to start with a more focused build on the Combat tree with swords or swords and daggers and then later change my talents?
I guess blizz dev still dont understand it. feels like retail that all classes can do almost anything (rogues doing AoE is not needed). Rogues should be highest single target dmg. but anyways in vanilla pvp is what matters. why dont rogues get Cloak of Shadows and Shadowdance. that is all i am asking for. 3rd part would be SS off GCD but at least this part is coming....
rogues cant be top single target energy by design is just slow, also u must not be a rogue player if u dont want at least a weak aoe lmao class is the worst in dungeons
Man wtf this doesn’t have me hyped at all… now rogue damage potential is way higher than phase 2/3, but relies on all of the aoe specific situations in order to restore energy to continue slamming aoe. Idc if it tops the damage meters or not, one of my favorite things about OG rogues is that aside from some situational CC (mostly pvp), your job is generally to focus on a single target and absolutely burn it down, without the disadvantages of going OOM in longer boss/raid encounters when mages other mana hungry classes start to be limited not by their cooldowns /spells, but by how much mana their rotations consume in full burn mode, whereas the rogue can open with all cooldowns, then vanish to drop threat, and continue their rotation, with fights lasting 5 min or more leaving room for a second burn phase (and not having to worry about high threat) I see this explosive aoe damage as potentially really dangerous if you’re not playing tank spec, because if you can truly regain full energy with each aoe attack, then you’re just spamming that button on every global cooldown, using your combo points to put out even more aoe, and then going back to fan of knives, causing many crits + dots on mobs that the tank may not be focused on or have high threat on… even with a vanish mid fight I can see myself easily pulling aggro in trash packs & then having to pop evasion and try to focus on the one or more mobs I’ve managed to aggro while the tank is busy elsewhere. Idk, maybe I’ll play a tank, don’t see much downside to that 🤷♂️
I'm tired boss. They are setting rogues up for being off the charts OP. Like wtf happened to the "hybrid tax" others have to deal with? Rogues now bring mandatory utility, buffed across the board, will keep scaling good, amazing set bonuses and items that specifically give them some insane bonuses. Meanwhile shadow priest can't be allowed to do good damage in pve because they can do some off-healing and return some mana. So dumb.
Backstab cheat rune reduced from 20 energy to 30 energy. Also another rune let’s u use ambush and backstab from the front, as well as 15% chance using ambush no stealth needed
Im super suprised cloak of shadows wasnt given on a CLOAK rune .... instead 3 aoe skills. Wheres the diversity on a rune? These casters are just gonna go wild in pvp..
oh cool, another phase of spamming mutilate/envenom without any of the supporting talent tree from wotlk/cata that makes the spec vaguely interesting, with a new meme poison to band-aid the fact no one wants rogues and that replaces one of our most iconic poisons KEKW cata is ten times more fun than sod, you are genuinely missing out by playing this cackhanded mess
You're right I'm missing out - missing out on $ store mounts, $ character boosts, $ blizzard selling gold, $ character transfers to newest OP race. Missing out on my class skills showing up in my professions tab, missing out on Magmaw falling over backwards and being unattackable, missing out on going from level 10 to level 70 in a single WSG, etc
I wish there was a Simonize for every class.
Right he’s so easy to listen to and watch
Am I not the only one who wants to see them actually update other runes like slaughter from the shadows and doing something with main gauche etc
Of course. But Blizz is so lazy that it won't happen
At the very least they could move slaughter from the shadows on to the glove rune where it matches all the other CP generators. A simple change of moving it and adding an ambush proc where backstab has a chance to make ambush available out of stealth could be a small but fun change.
Of course, but can't expect them to release everything at once. Keep in mind this is NOT the last phase to come, it's just the first lvl 60 phase 👌🏼
At least we have one viable spec.
@@-Maiki and yet slaughter from the shadows has had basically no use ever. Oh well
I also agree that the poison charge system needs to go. It's very terrible for a tanking rogue for their poisons to fall off in the middle of combat, or slow the group down to re-apply. A timer is fine, and probably should be increased to 1 hour. Unfair Advantage should apply to both dodges and parries as well.
Love it Simonize! Happy for the rogues!
I‘m so happy that the P3 was so long that I had time to level up a rogue as well. This looks amazing.
I really think they will change Focused Attacks head rune and FOK proccing it on each target. Same with Relentless strikes and Crimson Tempest.
I really hope it will stay as it is, but i doubt they will let Rogues be just insane AOE machines in SoD. I dont think they really liked how it played out in WOTLK classic, and i doubt they will let it happen again. But i hope im wrong!
as it currently stands we're not even close to what feral druids and ele shams are capable of, so I think they'll let it slide for us
Yeah, they didnt like it in Wotlk thats why they broght it to SoD. Make sense
those debuffs that are provided by other classes might not stay up as reliably, specifically thinking about homunculi on fights where targets change or aoe damage comes out so i figured some high performing guilds would want a rogue that specifically manages those debuffs
Really hoping sabre slash will actually be viable this time. I don't want to be forced into daggers any more
Same. Don’t tell that to the loser meta slaves though. They enjoy eating the shit SoD team has fed us.
Looking forward to P4 as a rogue. Is there a Simonize spreadsheet for SoD? :^)
I found it. All I had to do was join the Simonize discord. I'm pumping 32.3% more dps. :^)
This video is so professional, I was waiting for at least one under the breath giggle but its all good ill get my fix on twitch, you the man simonize
Blazed Goats hypeee
Great time to be a Rogue main in SoD! That shadowstep global CD change will be so refreshing
Great Video! But where do we get the new poisons?^^
Hey Simon! Any new videos coming for current rotations and runes?
You got me hyped!!!
Was looking at your old aoe build gearing from Wrath and I know you said it didnt work with the two tier sets, but I was wondering if you know if the darkmantle set energy regen will stack with the stormshroud armor would love to hear if you know, thanks!
What is that ranged ability you can use without a cooldown to do that big BRD pull at the end of the video? Only just started playing rogue so I'm not sure.
3:56 wait wait wait, so weapon enchants on hit effects? for example, fiery weapon?? it would have a chance on all of the "fan's"?
Will try it on PTR later
I also ate this item at MC yesterday. Please make a Telent that fits this as well.
Maybe the ring is involved with a quest with ring runes and maybe every class will get one
Did you figure out where the ring come from?
If I wanna start to play has a Rogue on SOD from level 1, I can do it with a Phase 3 build using daggers? Or it's better to start with a more focused build on the Combat tree with swords or swords and daggers and then later change my talents?
and now, people will start thinking rogues gonne be a debuff bot in 2025 when p4 arrives
Hmm if the 10 max energy from the ring is good... Would it be worth anything going for vigor?
poison knife underrated for p3, 100% hit rate on any higher level mobs for kiting
How bad is the nerf they did recently?
What about Sword Rogue talents ?
Does anyone know how he gets the numbers to show up bigger?
Is sword rogue back?
Is there a way to selfheal as Rogue? Will big Solo pulls with fok be possible?
Rupture and crimson tempest will heal you
must be nice getting something good for your class
Damn that is a nutty ring
yay simon time
Thinking the ring is one of the newest additions to the bloodmoon event
I hope it's not, don't want to play that dogshit event again
Rogue aoe farmer confirmed (2p tankslayer + Darkmoon card heroism)?
Big man Simon or any followers - how does one make this UI!! Give add-on suggestions I'm ready to be a grown up!!
Check in the video description, there is a link a UI video
@@SimonizeShow thanks chief, all the rogues in my guild follow you - tell them TF is for warriors :p
Want them to update the animations, Mutliate for example just looks poor :/
time to farm felstriker ^^
awesome news
Hey @simonizeshow, how did you create that raid dps realtime graph? It's in some of your older videos. I can't figure out how to get that...
its one of the options in the Recount damage meter addon
Thank you
I guess blizz dev still dont understand it. feels like retail that all classes can do almost anything (rogues doing AoE is not needed). Rogues should be highest single target dmg. but anyways in vanilla pvp is what matters. why dont rogues get Cloak of Shadows and Shadowdance. that is all i am asking for. 3rd part would be SS off GCD but at least this part is coming....
rogues cant be top single target energy by design is just slow, also u must not be a rogue player if u dont want at least a weak aoe lmao class is the worst in dungeons
Might have to reroll rogue if Blizz fails to fix hunter.
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Man wtf this doesn’t have me hyped at all… now rogue damage potential is way higher than phase 2/3, but relies on all of the aoe specific situations in order to restore energy to continue slamming aoe.
Idc if it tops the damage meters or not, one of my favorite things about OG rogues is that aside from some situational CC (mostly pvp), your job is generally to focus on a single target and absolutely burn it down, without the disadvantages of going OOM in longer boss/raid encounters when mages other mana hungry classes start to be limited not by their cooldowns /spells, but by how much mana their rotations consume in full burn mode, whereas the rogue can open with all cooldowns, then vanish to drop threat, and continue their rotation, with fights lasting 5 min or more leaving room for a second burn phase (and not having to worry about high threat)
I see this explosive aoe damage as potentially really dangerous if you’re not playing tank spec, because if you can truly regain full energy with each aoe attack, then you’re just spamming that button on every global cooldown, using your combo points to put out even more aoe, and then going back to fan of knives, causing many crits + dots on mobs that the tank may not be focused on or have high threat on… even with a vanish mid fight I can see myself easily pulling aggro in trash packs & then having to pop evasion and try to focus on the one or more mobs I’ve managed to aggro while the tank is busy elsewhere.
Idk, maybe I’ll play a tank, don’t see much downside to that 🤷♂️
What are the red wings people are getting??
These are procs from warrior ability
I'm tired boss.
They are setting rogues up for being off the charts OP. Like wtf happened to the "hybrid tax" others have to deal with? Rogues now bring mandatory utility, buffed across the board, will keep scaling good, amazing set bonuses and items that specifically give them some insane bonuses. Meanwhile shadow priest can't be allowed to do good damage in pve because they can do some off-healing and return some mana. So dumb.
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if only SoD was worth playing in the first place...
Sod is turning into retail quickly, with worse graphics and clunkier mechanics.
when was the last time u played retail? lmao
No love for backstab :/
Backstab cheat rune reduced from 20 energy to 30 energy. Also another rune let’s u use ambush and backstab from the front, as well as 15% chance using ambush no stealth needed
Rogues good at 60? nothing new
Im super suprised cloak of shadows wasnt given on a CLOAK rune
.... instead 3 aoe skills. Wheres the diversity on a rune? These casters are just gonna go wild in pvp..
Shoulder is still a rune free slot, we will get cos eventually. My guess is they give us new runes with ZG or AQ
oh cool, another phase of spamming mutilate/envenom without any of the supporting talent tree from wotlk/cata that makes the spec vaguely interesting, with a new meme poison to band-aid the fact no one wants rogues and that replaces one of our most iconic poisons KEKW
cata is ten times more fun than sod, you are genuinely missing out by playing this cackhanded mess
You're right I'm missing out - missing out on $ store mounts, $ character boosts, $ blizzard selling gold, $ character transfers to newest OP race. Missing out on my class skills showing up in my professions tab, missing out on Magmaw falling over backwards and being unattackable, missing out on going from level 10 to level 70 in a single WSG, etc
Bro you blinked like 3 times in the whole video that’s kind of scary
i editted out all the times i breathed and most of the times i blinked
AI confirmed
If rogues get nerfed before phase launch everyone's gonna say this guys the reason lol