One thing of note on the Arms spec for leveling. If you plan on copying his build, I highly, highly advise getting Anger Management asap rather than the last point before MS. The benefits of the additional rage will far outweigh the benefits of say an earlier 1% in 2h weapon damage. The reduce rage decay outside of combat and increased rage gen. during combat will be far more beneficial to you while leveling.
Totally right brother! If leveling with points into the Arms tree I would definitely recommend putting a point into Anger Management sooner. I was hedging my bets after seeing a lot of hate for Anger Management online, so I decided to mention it later in the build. Then I forgot to mention in the video that I would take it earlier. Better script writing for me in the future. =D But I am glad to see people love this talent as much as I do and thanks for the feedback!
@@Grimprospect People who hate on the talent probably don't understand the fact that the tooltip is very bad, I would get anger management right away personally
@@Grimprospect i wonder why you dont take improved heroic strike and improved charge while leveling as arms.. Is it also normal that my overpower ability doesnt proc so much? Is there a way to force the enemy to block more so i can 'spam' overpower..
@@Ontspandude heroic strike becomes semi dead weight once you pick up MS and WW Essentially you would only use heroic strike if you have a *surplus* of rage
As a Fury warrior who cleared NAXX in LB and Northdale I have to say your video is clear and informative and your efforts are appreciated. Keep it up and u will earn more subs.
A few opinions; Warrior Kinship is not available in Phase 1. Definetly get the lvl 20 Chest (and KEEP it) - You can use it later in raids, pre-pull in combination with a Rage Potion and start the fight with 100 Rage - just make sure to switch back to your current chestpiece again once the fight is about to start. This is especially useful for Tanks. Thanks for the great Video, thumbs up!
Yeah sadly none of the level 50 class quests are in phase 1. At the time it was unclear as to the inclusion of those quests but now that classic is out we can all be sad together. And yes the chest is an awesome pre-pull option =). I'll be using it tonight before Ragnaros. Thanks for the comment!
One thing i noticed when playing the real game. Is hamstring kiting is significantly less effective and sometimes a negative. With this leeway mechanic the enemy range is much farther then I ever experienced on private servers. I find myself constantly unable to get out of range before my swing timer finishes and if i go that extra half second to get out of range my swing timer will probably finish but i'll get hit 1 last time. Then any time i waste out of range just finishes the enemy's swing timer basically giving them 1 extra attack they wouldn't normally have. As hamstring got better it started to work but I've basically abandoned it.
19:41 Mark of Tyranny is not from the Onyxia Attunement Quest. It's a reward from the quest "General Drakkisath's Demise" and it is higly recommendable to choose "Blackhand's Breadth " as a reward. Reason is that you can easily get "Vigilance Charm" (2% dodge) from Immol'thar in Dire Maul. In my oppinion "Blackhand's Breadth " and "Vigilance Charm" is the best pre bis trinket combination. One for threat generation and one for damage mitigation.
As a current classic player on Whitemane, I can make wep choices a little simpler in real time. In short, 20s-staff from SFK, 30s- Whirlwind Axe from warriors quest, 40s to pre-raid- Ravager, that simple. Here's why: First off, at lower levels, whatever wep has the best stats with Strength and stam at the highest DPS you can find will be your best bet. You should be leveling fast enough that that should be good enough until SFK (lower 20s). Grab the Staff from Odo in SFK, which is typically a spell caster staff, but great DPS on a wep that's free. Remember, as a warrior, your best attack skills work off of Wep damage, so DPS is most important, spell staff or not. That should float you until lv 30. At 30, work to the Whirlwind wep from the warrior quest, whether you get help from a higher lv player or wait till you can solo it, the Whirlwind wep is Legendary. But in most cases its not hard to find someone willing to help with the quest even being a lower lv. Most players in classic either have rolled a warrior or at least know of the WW wep and how important it is to get that they will help out. I might highly suggest getting the other mats needed for the quest before asking. Players are much more likely to help when all you need to do is Defeat the final boss. But you might get lucky so it never hurts to ask anyway. Look up a guide on the Whirlwind wep quest for mats. After you get the WW wep, Next up is Ravager from SM Armory( mid-late 30s). Ravager will make you a boss in instances all the way until grinding for pre raiding Bis, So mid 50s. Ravager: Chance on hit: You attack all nearby enemies for 9 sec causing weapon damage plus an additional 5 every 3 sec. Im lv 47 now and still do Top DPS in ZF unless a higher lv warrior with Rav is in the group. Melee Cleave groups are the fastest way to level from the 40 on, and the Rav is the best Item to have for it. There is also an Add on just for the Ravager that yells when you proc the wep. If someone took the time to make an Add on just for a wep, that must mean its great right? :D But seriously Ive done ZF after SM Cath from lv 41-Current with only using Ravager, and i still see warriors in the lower 50s using it. Warriors can outdo Mages in AOE using this wep once you get it, so don't sleep on it. I highly recommend, as soon as you can get into SM armory, to grind it out until it drops for you, no matter how long it takes. Subnote: Rav Rotation AOE in Dungeons as currently used - charge as opener, SS, zerker, WW, and cleave until WW is off CD, in the meantime hope Rav procs. if not, and SS is off CD, back to Battle stance to rinse and repeat.
It's a common misconception that a quicker weapon will allow you to generate more rage. The reason you use a quick weapon as a tank, is so that if you are tanking a boss and getting hit hard, thus always being rage capped, you'll be able to use heroic strike more and thereby generating more threat. For a fresh 60, and even most of molten core (especially as an off-tank), all that matters is stats. Thrash Blade could potentially be a very good tanking weapon to start off with. A quick weapon generates the same amount of rage as a slow weapon. Made up example: Weapon with 1.0 speed, Weapon with 2.0 speed - same stats, same DPS - will generate the same amount of rage over 1 minute.
And now that I've watched it all: Diamond flask can not "hold you over" for some time. It will likely follow you all the way till Naxx, and the beginning of it, unless you pool all your DKP for trinkets. 75 str is 150 AP. Any fight that last less than 1½ minute, or fights where there's a burn phase, this outshines most early trinkets. 75str vs 2% crit (Blackhand's)? Yep, 75 str. Ragnaros, Vael, Cthun, viscidus, you name it. Plenty of fights, even in dungeons, calls for DPS at certain points in the fight. What a good warrior need to do is trinket swap. Even carrying around a Ramstein's Lightning Bolts can be helpfull. 10-20 thrash mob pull @ 200 damage each? That's a lot. You just need to swap preemptively, be ready and aware. If you forget to swap back though, then you should stick to wearing the same 2 static trinkets. Same thing with fast weapons/rage goes for fury warriors. Fast weapons in off-hand does not generate more rage. The ONLY reason to use a fast weapon in off-hand is for dense sharpening stone, and that's not even that big of a deal, certainly not to hold back from upgrading a fast blue to something like a brutality blade or deathbringer in off-hand. "On a 2.8 speed weapon, Dense Sharpening Stone is worth almost 40 AP, with 1.9 speed it's 58 AP" - quote from someone who did the math. Off-hands are for stats. Even the main-hand only really needs to be slow for heroic strike and whirlwind, and in pre-raid gear you don't get to use those that often. Use the best weapons you can get your hands on, statwise, don't worry about speed. Other than those things, good guide! Really like how you included a lot of alternatives and easy-to-get. The term BiS, though meaning Best in Slot, really hinders people's progression. Go for realistic gear, get lucky, get the second or third best, use your time to get consumables or have fun instead. I liked it.
Thank you for the in-depth feedback! You are totally correct that the reason tanks use a faster weapon in order to get out more Heroic Strikes, which will increase our overall flat threat. However, as a Fury Prot tank using a faster weapon can also increase the chance that you will proc Flurry. This does indeed increase the amount of rage you receive but it is at a random rate. I tested out the different in rage generation a few times between 1.5 weapon speed and 2.8 weapon speed and came up with the 1.5 speed weapon reaching 100 rage 1.80 seconds faster. Of course, this is a very small difference and you have an awesome point! I will totally look at slower weapons more seriously when gearing up and thanks for the comment.
@inkarupay I can't believe people are still watching this video haha. It's been a while but I think I started out with faster weapons in the MH and OH. Like 1.8 speed then of course get Thunderfury. Thanks for the comment.
Revisiting this after hitting level 60 on my warrior main. I am now raid geared and will be clearing AQ40 on release with my guild. Thanks for the guide my man, really helped me out!
A mistake like that shouldn't even be possible if you have played a warrior lol. Its not even a slip of the tongue, since he is basing an entire build around that misunderstanding.....
Totally right! If leveling with points into the Arms tree I would definitely recommend putting a point into Anger Management sooner. I was hedging my bets after seeing a lot of hate for Anger Management online, so I decided to mention it later in the build. Then I forgot to mention in the video that I would take it earlier. Better script writing for me in the future. =D But I am glad to see people love this talent as much as I do and thanks for the feedback!
@@Grimprospect Please keep in mind that the talent decreases rage decay while Out of Combat _BY_ providing 1 rage per 3 seconds, it's not in addition to the 30% reduction. Here's a more elaborate explanation; www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/aeln9t/anger_management/edsrbpr/
@@OliverSnith it also generates rage while in combat not a significant amount but you know lol I'm personally not taking it because I legit need that point for other stuff and can manage rage more than well enough
This is great, clear and well thought out. I don't know too much about fury-prot, the build you suggested, but I think it is really interesting and could work for leveling. I would definitely not undervalue Deflection over there in the Arms tree. 1% parry is better than +2 defense for sure (for the end of the build)
I tried Arms then switched to Prot after 30. I still need to try Fury. I love the survivability of Prot. I'm going to try that Prot Fury build you suggested.
Fury tank is nice once you get some gear going. Towards the end of classic, I was able to tank MC in almost full purple battle gear, keeping only some choice pieces with +defense, with no adverse effects. Killing speed increased tremendously.
Felstriker and ironfoe for prot. Switch them in battle if you have great time for spending a global cooldown. They should have proc per minute rule in classic too.
No mention of Edgemaster's Handguards? If you're not a human or orc they're probably the best gloves for your entire playthrough due to 7 weapon skill eliminating almost the entire penalty of Glancing Blows. It also gives a little extra hit and crit from weapon skill as well. They sim even better than Gauntlets of Annihilation for non humans/orcs for instance. Absolutely insane cost as they're a world drop epic though.
Imo, your leveling build (Arms path) should look more like: 3/3 Imp. Rend, 3/3 Imp. Heroic Strike 3,3/ Deep Wounds, 5/5 Tactical Mastery, 1/2 Imp. Charge 1/1 Anger Management, 2/2 Impale, 2/2 Imp. Overpower 1/1 Sweeping Strikes 5% damage from Two-Hand Spec is going to be next to nothing while leveling, and you can always respec towards the level cap (and you should, especially if you want a more versatile spec to also tank dungeons/OT or TT raids--or PvP; I did all 3 with the same spec). Having Improved Charge, coupled with the maxed Tactical Mastery, will lead to more consistent damage on openers when grinding or threat when tanking. Deflection, though helpful, won't be as important if you intend on heavily utilizing hamstring kiting. You can exchange the Heroic Strike points as per preference, though. Edit: fixed.
@@lblampmanjr Oops, edited the build to fix that mistake. You can exchange the utility points, such as those in Imp. Charge or Heroic Strike for Deflection if you want, though I don't think it's necessary while leveling. I'm leveling as DW Fury, though.
yeah its pretty rough for warriors solo leveling but you can get past some hard levels from 31 to 40 if you jump into some dungeons for a little while =)
What I'm wondering about: If I spec into Fury / Prot for end game dps and tanking, do I carry 2 sets of gear in my bags while raiding? Sometimes DPS warriors end up off tanking. Also what gear would be the priority? Like if you had to choose in a quest reward tanking gear or dps gear edit: also, when it's MS > OS, are you prioritizing fury gear or prot gear??
Hi.. I am late to this vid but I am new to the world of classic WoW and warrior... is there a way to get those graphics of the items and stuff you have in the video? Having those to be able to look at easily as a reference would be extremely helpful. Thank you so much for this video, this is one of the most helpful warrior videos about classic warrior I've seen.
"trinkets can be incredibly hard to come by in classic" yea i dont think most people who have only played expansions like wrath onward realize how hard to come by they really are or were.
@@bikespj22 haha... Oh man. I mean you cant blame new people for not knowing some stuff like that but, then again you can, because before your posting on a forum you should at least do some, ANY research at all, and he would've figured it out quick, well maybe not.. i bet it was a hunter.
Are you talking about when I was using the dual-wielding setup? Because I was just demonstrating that it is possible to mix in hamstring kiting into a regular clear while using any weapon type. But I do state and show that hamstring kiting is meant to be done with a slow 2-handed weapon in the video.
Hey great video, 2 things... first one where can i get these images??? And the second is, i noticed most of the bis are not plate, arent other players gonna be mad or point you as a ninja for rolling for these items In dungeons??
As a DPS warrior most groups that invite you expect you to desire good items from leather to plate. One reason why not so many get invited =( Also, all of the images can be found in the discord.
@Sage2000 You'd be surprised, haha. I tanked all of Nax with Fury Prot. I had a whole video planned talking about it. Sadly, I lost the motivation to record and edit it 😔
Give legacy-wow.com/vanilla-addons/attack-bar-timer/ a shot. I'm not sure if curse will have classic add-ons by the time classic releases but lets hope =) I am going to work on a useful add-ons for classic video very soon too with the stress-test coming up.
Sacrificing the mark of fordring neck to get ornate adamantium breastplate would be a decision you'll most likely regret for a very long time. The chest can easily be replaced, the neck won't be.
can i go dual wield 45-60? i'm getting tired of supra slow attack speed and having to jump with hamstring too much. plus for some applications i could really deal with more attack speed even at less damge. Or do the crits from 2H matter so much?
Playing hardcore classic makes me wish there were more ways to gear up than dungeon drops. You have a limited amount of times you can even run the instance and on top of that, you need a decent group so PUGs are kind of dangerous.
since im gonna level in a group of 5 with friends i think I wanna try fury-prot you pathed in 10:35 because Im going to be the tank of our group. One thing i didnt understand though since im completly new to classic, does this use a one handed weapon with a shield or dualwield? Because you said something along the lines that it justifies dualwield. But then does it even make sense to take improved shield block if you dont even wear a shield? Thanks for you video though!
Also, when getting to my whirlwind weapon choice, what would you recommend to take in my situation? I've heard Whirlwind axe is BiS for the rest of your leveling experience but i dont know if it makes sense to take it when going for a group-play oriented warrior that has to occasionally tank in dungeons
I plan on making a video going in depth on the fury prot system I am working on. But yes to answer your question you would use dualwield and switch to shield when you need to block or are taking a lot of damage. I think in your situation you might want to take a one hander from the quest but I am going to take the axe on my orc.
It seems to depend a lot on mob hitboxes too. A medium-sized humanoid or smaller feels far easier to hamstring kite than a target larger than the player.
So Improved cleave only increases the bonus damage from cleave that the total damage. This means for 3 talent points invested you get to increase only the bonus damage from cleave by 120%. At level 60 you can get rank 5 cleave which has 50 bonus damage. That means you only get an extra 60 damage from Improved Cleave at level 60. So its not the most amazing talent and most typically pass on it =)
Leveling as prot warrior during Vanilla, I would not recommend it. Partly because I was a kid and had less of an idea what I was doing than now, but I had 28 days of /played when i hit lvl 60. Do keep in mind I wasn't all about the leveling since I enjoyed all aspectd of the game, but those last few levels were so tedious.
How heavily would I need to alter some of these builds if I do not intend to "stance-dance"? I may eventually adopt the play style but more likely I will just sit in prot stance to tank or fury stance to dps. I know this will limit what skills I can make use of in combat. Do all of these builds assume I will be weaving in and out of multiple stances?
You don't really need a guide if you aren't going to min max leveling. Just know you are severely gimping yourself, especially in classic, if you dont stance dance.
Testing out my Orc Warrior Route Today: www.twitch.tv/grimprospect
30 min CD blizzard must be smithing some hard stuff :D indalamar idiot i bet he would enever win any duel even on beta pre warrior ahrd nerf
can you make a new upgrade for the talents for tbc warrior i'm now level 23
@@iggyvdh3814 I'd recommend using this to get started. www.icy-veins.com/tbc-classic/warrior-leveling-guide
Did I miss the stream? Thank you for the guide just started wow classic.
IMO Anger management should be taken ASAP. In classic it has the hidden benefit of generating passive rage while in combat.
These are the best one-stop shop for the quick and dirty on classes. Please make these for more classes!
Thanks for the guide! Rolling Warrior in classic now. Really helpful as someone who has never played WoW before.
One thing of note on the Arms spec for leveling. If you plan on copying his build, I highly, highly advise getting Anger Management asap rather than the last point before MS. The benefits of the additional rage will far outweigh the benefits of say an earlier 1% in 2h weapon damage. The reduce rage decay outside of combat and increased rage gen. during combat will be far more beneficial to you while leveling.
Totally right brother! If leveling with points into the Arms tree I would definitely recommend putting a point into Anger Management sooner. I was hedging my bets after seeing a lot of hate for Anger Management online, so I decided to mention it later in the build. Then I forgot to mention in the video that I would take it earlier. Better script writing for me in the future. =D But I am glad to see people love this talent as much as I do and thanks for the feedback!
@@Grimprospect People who hate on the talent probably don't understand the fact that the tooltip is very bad, I would get anger management right away personally
@@Grimprospect i wonder why you dont take improved heroic strike and improved charge while leveling as arms.. Is it also normal that my overpower ability doesnt proc so much? Is there a way to force the enemy to block more so i can 'spam' overpower..
@@Ontspandude You can only overpower after an enemy dodges unfortunately.
@@Ontspandude heroic strike becomes semi dead weight once you pick up MS and WW
Essentially you would only use heroic strike if you have a *surplus* of rage
your subcount will 100% multiply if you put out more high quality videos like this. great job, keep it up!
The effort you put in to this guide really shows! Well done!
Go straight for anger management, dont wait.. you should always get it at 20.
As a Fury warrior who cleared NAXX in LB and Northdale I have to say your video is clear and informative and your efforts are appreciated. Keep it up and u will earn more subs.
I know this is old but this video is really high quality.
the part where u talk about the different tank speccs is awesome content - keep it up! thumb up
You earned your self a scribe bro keep these in depth guides coming I love it
A few opinions; Warrior Kinship is not available in Phase 1. Definetly get the lvl 20 Chest (and KEEP it) - You can use it later in raids, pre-pull in combination with a Rage Potion and start the fight with 100 Rage - just make sure to switch back to your current chestpiece again once the fight is about to start. This is especially useful for Tanks. Thanks for the great Video, thumbs up!
Yeah sadly none of the level 50 class quests are in phase 1. At the time it was unclear as to the inclusion of those quests but now that classic is out we can all be sad together. And yes the chest is an awesome pre-pull option =). I'll be using it tonight before Ragnaros. Thanks for the comment!
Crazy to see the amount of views on this video, compared to you're other random videos. You deserve every view man great guide.
That video brought me so much nostalgia. I think I might return to classic when it releases....
One thing i noticed when playing the real game. Is hamstring kiting is significantly less effective and sometimes a negative. With this leeway mechanic the enemy range is much farther then I ever experienced on private servers. I find myself constantly unable to get out of range before my swing timer finishes and if i go that extra half second to get out of range my swing timer will probably finish but i'll get hit 1 last time. Then any time i waste out of range just finishes the enemy's swing timer basically giving them 1 extra attack they wouldn't normally have. As hamstring got better it started to work but I've basically abandoned it.
Totally... the mobs hit you from 12 miles away it's ridiculous
Yeah melee enemies have ranged reach. Insane
Well this is a video i was looking for thanks man i feel now much more ready for classic and good to know that the sit crit thing isn't in classic
Great Video! Love the detail you put into the BiS Lists. Keep them coming!!
Dude what, You only have 394 subscribers?
You have potential with these kind of videos.
19:41 Mark of Tyranny is not from the Onyxia Attunement Quest. It's a reward from the quest "General Drakkisath's Demise" and it is higly recommendable to choose "Blackhand's Breadth
" as a reward. Reason is that you can easily get "Vigilance Charm" (2% dodge) from Immol'thar in Dire Maul.
In my oppinion "Blackhand's Breadth
" and "Vigilance Charm" is the best pre bis trinket combination. One for threat generation and one for damage mitigation.
Brilliant guide I must say, lot's of information simplified to follow easy guides! :)
As a current classic player on Whitemane, I can make wep choices a little simpler in real time. In short, 20s-staff from SFK, 30s- Whirlwind Axe from warriors quest, 40s to pre-raid- Ravager, that simple. Here's why:
First off, at lower levels, whatever wep has the best stats with Strength and stam at the highest DPS you can find will be your best bet. You should be leveling fast enough that that should be good enough until SFK (lower 20s). Grab the Staff from Odo in SFK, which is typically a spell caster staff, but great DPS on a wep that's free. Remember, as a warrior, your best attack skills work off of Wep damage, so DPS is most important, spell staff or not. That should float you until lv 30. At 30, work to the Whirlwind wep from the warrior quest, whether you get help from a higher lv player or wait till you can solo it, the Whirlwind wep is Legendary. But in most cases its not hard to find someone willing to help with the quest even being a lower lv. Most players in classic either have rolled a warrior or at least know of the WW wep and how important it is to get that they will help out. I might highly suggest getting the other mats needed for the quest before asking. Players are much more likely to help when all you need to do is Defeat the final boss. But you might get lucky so it never hurts to ask anyway. Look up a guide on the Whirlwind wep quest for mats. After you get the WW wep, Next up is Ravager from SM Armory( mid-late 30s). Ravager will make you a boss in instances all the way until grinding for pre raiding Bis, So mid 50s. Ravager: Chance on hit: You attack all nearby enemies for 9 sec causing weapon damage plus an additional 5 every 3 sec. Im lv 47 now and still do Top DPS in ZF unless a higher lv warrior with Rav is in the group. Melee Cleave groups are the fastest way to level from the 40 on, and the Rav is the best Item to have for it. There is also an Add on just for the Ravager that yells when you proc the wep. If someone took the time to make an Add on just for a wep, that must mean its great right? :D But seriously Ive done ZF after SM Cath from lv 41-Current with only using Ravager, and i still see warriors in the lower 50s using it. Warriors can outdo Mages in AOE using this wep once you get it, so don't sleep on it. I highly recommend, as soon as you can get into SM armory, to grind it out until it drops for you, no matter how long it takes.
Subnote: Rav Rotation AOE in Dungeons as currently used - charge as opener, SS, zerker, WW, and cleave until WW is off CD, in the meantime hope Rav procs. if not, and SS is off CD, back to Battle stance to rinse and repeat.
thnx for this amazing guide helps alot also hamstring method with a two hander is crazy
Excellent craftsmanship.
It's a common misconception that a quicker weapon will allow you to generate more rage. The reason you use a quick weapon as a tank, is so that if you are tanking a boss and getting hit hard, thus always being rage capped, you'll be able to use heroic strike more and thereby generating more threat. For a fresh 60, and even most of molten core (especially as an off-tank), all that matters is stats. Thrash Blade could potentially be a very good tanking weapon to start off with.
A quick weapon generates the same amount of rage as a slow weapon. Made up example: Weapon with 1.0 speed, Weapon with 2.0 speed - same stats, same DPS - will generate the same amount of rage over 1 minute.
And now that I've watched it all: Diamond flask can not "hold you over" for some time. It will likely follow you all the way till Naxx, and the beginning of it, unless you pool all your DKP for trinkets. 75 str is 150 AP. Any fight that last less than 1½ minute, or fights where there's a burn phase, this outshines most early trinkets. 75str vs 2% crit (Blackhand's)? Yep, 75 str. Ragnaros, Vael, Cthun, viscidus, you name it. Plenty of fights, even in dungeons, calls for DPS at certain points in the fight. What a good warrior need to do is trinket swap. Even carrying around a Ramstein's Lightning Bolts can be helpfull. 10-20 thrash mob pull @ 200 damage each? That's a lot. You just need to swap preemptively, be ready and aware. If you forget to swap back though, then you should stick to wearing the same 2 static trinkets.
Same thing with fast weapons/rage goes for fury warriors. Fast weapons in off-hand does not generate more rage. The ONLY reason to use a fast weapon in off-hand is for dense sharpening stone, and that's not even that big of a deal, certainly not to hold back from upgrading a fast blue to something like a brutality blade or deathbringer in off-hand. "On a 2.8 speed weapon, Dense Sharpening Stone is worth almost 40 AP, with 1.9 speed it's 58 AP" - quote from someone who did the math. Off-hands are for stats. Even the main-hand only really needs to be slow for heroic strike and whirlwind, and in pre-raid gear you don't get to use those that often. Use the best weapons you can get your hands on, statwise, don't worry about speed.
Other than those things, good guide! Really like how you included a lot of alternatives and easy-to-get. The term BiS, though meaning Best in Slot, really hinders people's progression. Go for realistic gear, get lucky, get the second or third best, use your time to get consumables or have fun instead. I liked it.
Thank you for the in-depth feedback! You are totally correct that the reason tanks use a faster weapon in order to get out more Heroic Strikes, which will increase our overall flat threat. However, as a Fury Prot tank using a faster weapon can also increase the chance that you will proc Flurry. This does indeed increase the amount of rage you receive but it is at a random rate. I tested out the different in rage generation a few times between 1.5 weapon speed and 2.8 weapon speed and came up with the 1.5 speed weapon reaching 100 rage 1.80 seconds faster. Of course, this is a very small difference and you have an awesome point! I will totally look at slower weapons more seriously when gearing up and thanks for the comment.
@@danielandersen2759 Thanks!
Nj! This was really helpful. Thanks for all your hard work!
Great guide! Maybe I missed it but, you want your main hand or off hand to be fast? As duel wield? Or both weapon fast?
@inkarupay I can't believe people are still watching this video haha. It's been a while but I think I started out with faster weapons in the MH and OH. Like 1.8 speed then of course get Thunderfury. Thanks for the comment.
@@Grimprospect awesome thank you!
Revisiting this after hitting level 60 on my warrior main. I am now raid geared and will be clearing AQ40 on release with my guild. Thanks for the guide my man, really helped me out!
Really good content, keep the warrior videos coming!
Awesome guide, thanks for your time creating it.
Important mistake tho - you can't Overpower after misses, only if your target dodges
Lol yeah, that's an extremely important mistake.
A mistake like that shouldn't even be possible if you have played a warrior lol. Its not even a slip of the tongue, since he is basing an entire build around that misunderstanding.....
I feel like there's a good chance he made this video entirely off of watching other warrior videos.
Huge mistake waiting to take anger management
Totally right! If leveling with points into the Arms tree I would definitely recommend putting a point into Anger Management sooner. I was hedging my bets after seeing a lot of hate for Anger Management online, so I decided to mention it later in the build. Then I forgot to mention in the video that I would take it earlier. Better script writing for me in the future. =D But I am glad to see people love this talent as much as I do and thanks for the feedback!
@@Grimprospect Please keep in mind that the talent decreases rage decay while Out of Combat _BY_ providing 1 rage per 3 seconds, it's not in addition to the 30% reduction.
Here's a more elaborate explanation; www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/aeln9t/anger_management/edsrbpr/
@@OliverSnith it also generates rage while in combat not a significant amount but you know lol
I'm personally not taking it because I legit need that point for other stuff and can manage rage more than well enough
Thank a lot for this video ;) You 're right, doing a google doc is a good idea
Can tell a lot of time went into this, very helpful! Keep it up!
This is great, clear and well thought out. I don't know too much about fury-prot, the build you suggested, but I think it is really interesting and could work for leveling. I would definitely not undervalue Deflection over there in the Arms tree. 1% parry is better than +2 defense for sure (for the end of the build)
Nice video man. Looking forward to some more content from you.
A wonderful guide, big thumb! :)
I tried Arms then switched to Prot after 30. I still need to try Fury. I love the survivability of Prot. I'm going to try that Prot Fury build you suggested.
You will love fury prot! It's very dynamic.
This is the Chef John of WoW.
Wow man. Thanks so much. Going to track down all this gear.
Great guide, well done!
Fury tank is nice once you get some gear going. Towards the end of classic, I was able to tank MC in almost full purple battle gear, keeping only some choice pieces with +defense, with no adverse effects. Killing speed increased tremendously.
Great video, thank you for all the effort put into it!
Very good video, i hope you make more!
Very informational, thank you!
Awesome guid!!!!❤
Thank you ! such an awesome guide
Great guide !
Felstriker and ironfoe for prot. Switch them in battle if you have great time for spending a global cooldown. They should have proc per minute rule in classic too.
Excellent video!
Thanks wonderfulllll video
great vid man! keep going!
4:22 would’ve died by 1 more hit/crit/missed attack while talking that you don’t need to heal much, good hc advice 😅
Diamond Flask is not a small healing trinket. I have seen it out heal healers. It makes warriors God Tier.
I saved it. I had a lot of the gear mentioned in vanilla. Good times. ty
No mention of Edgemaster's Handguards? If you're not a human or orc they're probably the best gloves for your entire playthrough due to 7 weapon skill eliminating almost the entire penalty of Glancing Blows. It also gives a little extra hit and crit from weapon skill as well. They sim even better than Gauntlets of Annihilation for non humans/orcs for instance.
Absolutely insane cost as they're a world drop epic though.
Imo, your leveling build (Arms path) should look more like:
3/3 Imp. Rend, 3/3 Imp. Heroic Strike
3,3/ Deep Wounds, 5/5 Tactical Mastery, 1/2 Imp. Charge
1/1 Anger Management, 2/2 Impale, 2/2 Imp. Overpower
1/1 Sweeping Strikes
5% damage from Two-Hand Spec is going to be next to nothing while leveling, and you can always respec towards the level cap (and you should, especially if you want a more versatile spec to also tank dungeons/OT or TT raids--or PvP; I did all 3 with the same spec). Having Improved Charge, coupled with the maxed Tactical Mastery, will lead to more consistent damage on openers when grinding or threat when tanking.
Deflection, though helpful, won't be as important if you intend on heavily utilizing hamstring kiting. You can exchange the Heroic Strike points as per preference, though.
Edit: fixed.
How to you get 2/2 Impale without Deep Wounds? Looks like that must be added, so how would that change your build (if at all)?
@@lblampmanjr Oops, edited the build to fix that mistake. You can exchange the utility points, such as those in Imp. Charge or Heroic Strike for Deflection if you want, though I don't think it's necessary while leveling. I'm leveling as DW Fury, though.
Very good quality video :) subbed
dude my war s only lvl 28 at 2days played, so hard to lvl up, but at least I got first aid and blacksmithing up a little :D Gl to all of you
yeah its pretty rough for warriors solo leveling but you can get past some hard levels from 31 to 40 if you jump into some dungeons for a little while =)
You did a really good video m8. Thanks for this
Awesome guide, subbed
What I'm wondering about: If I spec into Fury / Prot for end game dps and tanking, do I carry 2 sets of gear in my bags while raiding? Sometimes DPS warriors end up off tanking. Also what gear would be the priority? Like if you had to choose in a quest reward tanking gear or dps gear
edit: also, when it's MS > OS, are you prioritizing fury gear or prot gear??
Great video! :D
This is awesome. Great video.
Hi.. I am late to this vid but I am new to the world of classic WoW and warrior... is there a way to get those graphics of the items and stuff you have in the video? Having those to be able to look at easily as a reference would be extremely helpful. Thank you so much for this video, this is one of the most helpful warrior videos about classic warrior I've seen.
I'm pretty sure I still have them pinned in my discord 😉
Love your video!
good stuff 👍 liked/subbed
Gonna be playing mage when classic comes out but this was good info! Thank you!
Great video! do mages next!
"trinkets can be incredibly hard to come by in classic" yea i dont think most people who have only played expansions like wrath onward realize how hard to come by they really are or were.
I saw on the forums someone asking if helm drops were bugged
"I'm level 20 and I havent seen a single helm drop" lmao
@@bikespj22 haha... Oh man. I mean you cant blame new people for not knowing some stuff like that but, then again you can, because before your posting on a forum you should at least do some, ANY research at all, and he would've figured it out quick, well maybe not.. i bet it was a hunter.
Sick video dude. Thanks you
Nice video.
earned a sub homie.
Hi very good video! I’m planning on playing a warrior in classic, how can i get all those images ?
How do you break combat effectively without piercing howl?
I'll never know.
First thing to spec into is PH then Arms.
You can also tank as arms and just deal more dmg than everyone else in the dungeon :)
Cruelty is such a good flat talent. since 20agi = 1crit% (also 1 dodge%) That is 100 agi stat right there.
@14:40 overpower is castable after a dodge, not a miss.
you should always run fury till level 50.... Arms has very little powerspikes early on while fury has them early and not much later.
If you want to hamstring kite instead of just face tanking, you really want a slow two-hander.
Are you talking about when I was using the dual-wielding setup? Because I was just demonstrating that it is possible to mix in hamstring kiting into a regular clear while using any weapon type. But I do state and show that hamstring kiting is meant to be done with a slow 2-handed weapon in the video.
Hey man great content! The rapid audio cuts are pretty jarring in some sections of the video, though.
Hey great video, 2 things... first one where can i get these images??? And the second is, i noticed most of the bis are not plate, arent other players gonna be mad or point you as a ninja for rolling for these items
In dungeons??
As a DPS warrior most groups that invite you expect you to desire good items from leather to plate. One reason why not so many get invited =( Also, all of the images can be found in the discord.
Nice vid man
I have been away for years... Since when Warrior tanks dual wield? I sm confused
@Sage2000 You'd be surprised, haha. I tanked all of Nax with Fury Prot. I had a whole video planned talking about it. Sadly, I lost the motivation to record and edit it 😔
AM should be #1 priority on 3rd tier
Gojirra_Life anger management? Generates 1 rage every 3 sec but doesn’t tell ya.
What's the addon called that tracks your swingtimer?
Give legacy-wow.com/vanilla-addons/attack-bar-timer/ a shot. I'm not sure if curse will have classic add-ons by the time classic releases but lets hope =) I am going to work on a useful add-ons for classic video very soon too with the stress-test coming up.
damn thorough
nice
Sacrificing the mark of fordring neck to get ornate adamantium breastplate would be a decision you'll most likely regret for a very long time. The chest can easily be replaced, the neck won't be.
Onyxia Neck replaces it pretty easily, but the breastplate is just a backup chest anyway.
@@Grimprospect true, onyxia neck is the one you want over the trinket. The only other neck that has 1% crit & hit is out of aq20, I believe.
Thanks you
can i go dual wield 45-60? i'm getting tired of supra slow attack speed and having to jump with hamstring too much. plus for some applications i could really deal with more attack speed even at less damge. Or do the crits from 2H matter so much?
Playing hardcore classic makes me wish there were more ways to gear up than dungeon drops. You have a limited amount of times you can even run the instance and on top of that, you need a decent group so PUGs are kind of dangerous.
since im gonna level in a group of 5 with friends i think I wanna try fury-prot you pathed in 10:35 because Im going to be the tank of our group. One thing i didnt understand though since im completly new to classic, does this use a one handed weapon with a shield or dualwield? Because you said something along the lines that it justifies dualwield. But then does it even make sense to take improved shield block if you dont even wear a shield?
Thanks for you video though!
Also, when getting to my whirlwind weapon choice, what would you recommend to take in my situation? I've heard Whirlwind axe is BiS for the rest of your leveling experience but i dont know if it makes sense to take it when going for a group-play oriented warrior that has to occasionally tank in dungeons
I plan on making a video going in depth on the fury prot system I am working on. But yes to answer your question you would use dualwield and switch to shield when you need to block or are taking a lot of damage. I think in your situation you might want to take a one hander from the quest but I am going to take the axe on my orc.
@@Grimprospect I'm looking forward to your video! Thanks for answering, much love
the kite method doesn't work, it an delay so the mobs hit me from like 10 bloody meters
They'll still hit you occasionally just not as much
It seems to depend a lot on mob hitboxes too. A medium-sized humanoid or smaller feels far easier to hamstring kite than a target larger than the player.
Why are you avoiding improved cleave ? i think as prot it's great to maintain pack aggro.
So Improved cleave only increases the bonus damage from cleave that the total damage. This means for 3 talent points invested you get to increase only the bonus damage from cleave by 120%. At level 60 you can get rank 5 cleave which has 50 bonus damage. That means you only get an extra 60 damage from Improved Cleave at level 60. So its not the most amazing talent and most typically pass on it =)
No blood craze in your fury prot build....that’s like unheard of lol
Whats the intro song?
Leveling as prot warrior during Vanilla, I would not recommend it. Partly because I was a kid and had less of an idea what I was doing than now, but I had 28 days of /played when i hit lvl 60.
Do keep in mind I wasn't all about the leveling since I enjoyed all aspectd of the game, but those last few levels were so tedious.
Does deep wounds take a debuff slot? If so doesnt that murder that fury build for end game in classic?
Deep wounds is low on the priority list but you take deep wounds to get to impale. So you deep wounds only pushes off other low priority debuffs.
How heavily would I need to alter some of these builds if I do not intend to "stance-dance"?
I may eventually adopt the play style but more likely I will just sit in prot stance to tank or fury stance to dps.
I know this will limit what skills I can make use of in combat. Do all of these builds assume I will be weaving in and out of multiple stances?
You don't really need a guide if you aren't going to min max leveling. Just know you are severely gimping yourself, especially in classic, if you dont stance dance.