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Best content on YT, thanks Quaz! I’ve been maiming a VDH and I’m absolutely loving it. Fel Dev really helps the gaps when you don’t have spikes and I find myself having to kite less in SL. Awesome content buddy
Just started following you since I came back from a 2y break from WoW, planning on changing my main to a DH, looking up some info on both specs and came across your guids, they are amazing! Detailed, to the point. Love them!
Hey Rekzai, thanks for the vote of confidence. I am having so much fun producing content, that even if it was 1 subscriber, I will still be putting them out 👊 thanks for the support!
This is a very good detailed guide to VDH. Thank you for covering everything the way you did. As a VDH, this helped me fine tune my priority spells. Just crafted the Fiery Brand Legendary yesterday. So far its a fun build for pushing tough content but the holes in the defenses is real. You still have to watch your rotation and adapt rather quickly. Each pull feels like it needs to be calculated and when extra mobs get pulled we don't really have an, "Oh shiz" button other than meta which doesn't really do much against casters or bleeds. I'm learning to be more conservative with my ability like sigils and not using them right off the bat. Overall VDH is super fun and the burst DPS is a fun playstyle.
Hey friends. Indeed, the FB build requires you to know what is the 'pull ahead' so you know whether you should blow defensive CDs or save FB for the start of pulls etc. Definitely adds a new dimension to tanking (:
Just found your channel the other day. I must say you deserve a LOT more subs. Absolutely fantastic content, very informative and helpful. Subbed after 2 min in to first video I watched.
Hey there, thanks so much for the kind words. I am having so much fun making content at the moment, that even if I had 1 sub - I would still keep on going 👊
Another amazing video, as per usual. I made the switch to Fiery Brand build last night and I have to say I’m not at all disappointed. Personally, I’m finding my damage output to be as potent, if not more so in general, as the Kyrian build. A small aside, Charred Flesh seems to have some seriously diminishing returns when fiery brand works through multiple targets, but remains most effective in terms of time added in single target scenarios. Infernal Armor may be an appropriate alternative for higher keys, especially as each fiery brand tick that spreads is given less time for an immolation aura extension.
Hey there, thanks so much for the support on the video. Indeed FB is definitely lower than the Spirit Bomb build in terms of damage, and will become a lot more relevant only when you start entering one-shot territory in higher and higher keys.
Great video, i've been kinda new to wow and you have been teaching me how to tank. I have learned sonmuch from your video's. I'm a prot pally main and now just hit 60 on my VDH. THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP. p.s. the ui has been working really well too.
Hey there, glad it was helpful 👊 appreciate the support you have been showing on my past few videos, so glad they are of help to you in the new expansion!
@@QuaziiFFXIV its been going very well for me, i was in touch with a GM from blizz about the issues on my monk and it does appear to be a handful of servers that are affected by some tunning changes and they hope to have it fixed by next reset. Until then i just take the MO runs slow for now.
@Quzii Heya, at 6:42 you said that Fiery Brand lasts 8s (it's 10s) and you say the CD on Meta is 5m (it's 3m). These are pretty important mistakes so thought I'd point them out. Thanks!
Also, I would love if you could talk a bit more about rotation, particularly when to use Soul Cleave vs Fracture, as I'm confused because now Soul Cleave will reduce the CD on Elysian Decree (and/or Fiery Brand) so does that increase its importance? Thanks!
Indeed, have pinned the correction to typos in the comments (I blame lack of sleep during launch week). Thanks for bringing up this really valid points. In a nutshell, you should think of fracture as a top priority to build up souls for Spirit Bomb (if you are playing that). You would bomb on >4 souls, and then after that use Soul Cleave to do a Fury dump - before you build up souls again for another Spirit Bomb.
Awesome video, waiting with baited breath for your DK one. Would also really like to know your specific keybindings for a Blood DK, as there is a lot of mitigations to use. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Jason, will circle back to that eventually - just working through lots of content in Castle Nathria and M+. But there will be a time for that for sure (:
AFter trying all tanks, def DH is the one to go for this expac. Monk is def more enjoyable (in my opinion) but after studying this vid I gotta confes I am having fun with DH. Thanks once again brother!
Hey Filipe, thanks for stopping by the stream today btw (: I need time to learn your Twitch name though, so keep reminding me. Glad to hear you are enjoying the VDH - keep going my long time friend 👊
@@QuaziiFFXIV I agree. But so far it's really difficult to keep them alive because of Runes and RP management with how stats are currently. And the low damage makes things rough as well.
Hi, I have a question, I don't see any reason to play spirit bomb if kyrian... the sigil legendary doesn't count spirit bomb uses to reduce the sigils' cooldown, so one should just talent the fiery brand build if kyrian, right?
hello there, I know what you mean, as you might have the temptation to only use soul cleave to get the Sigil reduction. However, it is still slightly more optimal to Spirit Bomb with >4 souls, and then soul cleaving to fury dump - even though it is counterintuitive (:
@@TielZone on higher and higher keys, it is definitely better to play he fiery brand build with the FB leggo without spirit bomb (: play spirit bomb on content when you are looking to go for offense, instead of defense
Quazii hey question for you what build will you be going for first? I'm kinda of up in the air as to which lego I should go. I know right now our ilvl is low so I was concerned about being able to survive in mythics and raids. Is this a viable concern with raid coming out next week along with m+? Or is rez's defilement just our best option right now?
Hey there, I am actually holding off on crafting my leggo if I am completely honest with you - will craft it after the coming reset most likely. But something is for sure though, if progression raiding is more important to you than M+, I will craft the FB leggo first (: and if M+ is equally important to you, I will then craft Rez's Defilement. Hope that make sense.
Most people are saying spirit bomb build with raze leggo is the go to until +18 and up, that’s with competent teammates of course, the damage hit for not using spirit bomb build is pretty noticeable
@@QuaziiFFXIV Question, I've been spirit bomb spec for a couple years now but I feel very squishy even doing m+5's. Do you recommend that I switch to the firey brand spec until I get better gear? Currently i184.
Thanks for the great guide! What would covenant would you recommend for a DH that commonly switches between Havoc and Vengeance? Would Kyrian still be the top choice?
Hey there, sorry I cannot comment for Havoc to be honest. Have not researched too much into DPS spec, so I rather not give you any misinformation - I do know for VDH, I will stick to Kyrian at the moment though :D
Hey Quazii really cool video as always, i'm playing the fiery brand build since yesterday with the legendary, and goood it's really cool to play, you become very sturdy when you plan well around your pull and it adds a whole new brain game of planning the packs and dungeon that feels very nice when it goes well. I've got to admit though i have sometimes threat problems on big pulls when i don't have fel fev or sigil but with practice i think i'll get better at that and it's not that frequent. About trinket however, I took hakar's one (this one is soo strong, helps pickup aggro with good aoe damage + good shield on a 2 min cooldown daym) but i don't know what to take in second spot, in one of your video you suggeted to take an offenive cooldown, especially before raid lunch as in the raid there are 2 really good trinket with the chain passive thing and the cheat death. But is there any recommendation on an offensive trinket to take if I don't loot in raid ? Thank you very much ! :)
I get what you mean, and yes Hakkar's trinket is a big plus for getting snap aggro on big pulls when you do not have Sigils down. Hmm the Plaguefall Phial trinket is pretty good as an offensive trinket. I would try to target that if you need an offensive trinket (: I am glad you are enjoying the FB build, it is definitely something that requires more planning around for packs!
@@QuaziiFFXIV Ye I tried the one from plaguefall, it deals quite a bit of damage, even though it doesn't help me with threat, the damage is good and if we can minmax the damage in Aoe scenario, it can become really powerful. I might give a try to the codex that deals damage in a cone, it could be an additional tool to snap aggro, but I've never tried it, it might be clunky to use it
Paired with Fiery Soul I believe Void Reaver gets a bump. Demonic is great, but it's only 6 seconds of meta every minute, where Void Reaver is a flat % dmg mitigation, which you said VDH lacks. We're already going to prioritize Soul Cleave with Fiery Soul. I haven't played any M+ yet, and it's pure speculation and theory crafting, but I'd like your comments none the less. Thanks for the great content, I really appreciate it!
actually what's strong with demonic talent isn't really the uptime on meta, but the fact you can control it, 6 targeted seconds is extremely valuable, it can be used at the beginning of a big pull where it is the most threatening and mitigate the damage you need to pass the pull while you won't need meta on an easy pull. Hope that helps :)
Hey there thanks so much for your comments Adam, I appreciate you reaching out as well! Matteo's intuition here is aligned with my own - essentially a VDH is really really hard to kill in Meta form, and the fact that every minute, you can access Meta on demand, via the Demonic talent makes it amazing for planning your defensives in various encounter. Especially in keys, what really kills you is spike damage, rather than sustained damage over the entire key. That what makes demonic so great - as it is best postiioned to help you survive damage that will otherwise kill you - the spike damage in raid / M+
Ty for the guide Quazii, your videos have been so useful. I'm maining a VDH and, with the help your commentated runs I have been able to beat all of them and get to ilvl180, I'm having a blast. I wanna answer you a question: I have my main VDH and a 60 Prot warrior but I still have the preorder lvl boost available. Which tank do you recommend to boost? Ty for everything and I hopre you're having fun at the Shadowlands!
Hey Omar, thanks for the support 👊 I would recommend a Brewmaster out of the other 4 classes - as you can see your VDH as a M+ main, and a Brew as a raiding main if you do want to get more competitive raiding wise (: Brews are also doing pretty decent in dungeons at the moment!
I have a question, I play a DH Veng Necro and i am following your fiery talents. Why would you not choose Ruinous Bulwark as the final talent? it looks like it is the right choice to heal, dmg and stay alive in M+15 and it deals directly with the Fiery Brand Build. I am sure you think im a newb and thats ok cause i think i am one as well lol
I have a question about which path to take in soulbonds. In the Video you're suggesting to add two Potency Conduit which follow the full Left side, But you also suggest getting Two endurance conduits. Trying to do both is impossible. I want to make sure i have this correct Are you suggesting for Fiery brand Build you forfit the Covonent ability conduit for Growing inferno or try and put both in and only have one Endurance?
hello there, sorry if I wasn't clearer. You actually need to fully unlock your Renown tree to make the 2 Endurance conduits possible (: for the FB build, I would run Fel Defender + Shattered Restoration for the endurance conduit slots eventaully.
Great video! Super insightful and informative. What would you say a typical opener looks like? I tired slowing down the video but everything happens so fast 😅
Hey there, thanks for the support. Will say an opener is usually to get your covenant ability off CD (e.g. Kyrian Sigil), and then simply follow the rotational priority (:
haha you are way too kind, I myself didn't even make it to harvard, unlikely I will be able to impart that much knowledge. Regardless, I really appreciate the support, you made my day (:
Wow why haven't I found you sooner, great guide. Quick question though, like protadin haste is our best secondary stat palas have a goal of 20% do we as VDH have a similar goal or is it just as much as we can?
Hey there, thanks so much for the huge compliments. For now, based on current tuning changes, there is not real hard cap on secondary stats, so I would not worry too much about it.
Hey Quazii, I heard that you should'nt play with Spirit bomb once you got the Sigil CD reduction legendary, but you speak about only 2 builds and the fiery brand one uses another legendary, is the person who told me that "wrong" ? Thx ! Awesome videos as always !
Hey there Groukh (: as far as I know, both builds are still viable even if you have the Sigil CD leggo. This is also consistent with what is being explained and described on the VDH Class Discord. A simple way to think about it, the Sigil leggo should not change your rotations when using the Spirit Bomb build. Hope that helps!
Great overview video! Swapped to VDH at the end of Week 1 from my prot pally, and really enjoying it so much more. 2 quick questions a) With the Kyrian SB build, do you basically just ignore Sigil of Flame altogether, in order to focus CDR on Elysian Decree? b) What's your take on legendary crafting this week vs. waiting until potential changes in the next couple of weeks?
Sigil of flame does so low of damage I would forgo using it and stick to only using your Elysian decree and utility sigils - keeping your soul ash until mythic raid release is smart unless you think you really need a leggo to push content the next two weeks, gives them the chance to nerf or change something but I don’t think you can go wrong with the 2 he has mentioned in the video
Hey man awesome to hear, here's my answers: 1) yes, you do not use Sigil of Flame, to target the CDR on Elysian Decree 2) my take is to wait as well, you technically no need the legendaries in M0. However, depending on how M+ goes next week, I might decide to craft the leggos after reset (:
With the sigil legendary, how do you use spirit bomb / soul carve? Do you use SC more often or just keep the same rotation, and get some free seconds, or do you keep up SB debuff and switch to SC mainly?
Ah good question. the right way to think about it, is that your Sigil leggo should not affect your rotational priority - i.e. you should build up souls up to 4 or more, then Spirit Bomb -> after which, you use Soul Cleave as a Fury dump. Hope that helps puts things into context (:
Kyrian is powerful, i have two demon hunters to help collect everything i need. One is going night fae though, other kyrian. Kyrian is so powerful though. I like the nightfae to push torghast though, especially when you get the reset ability oh wow youll stay alive through alot with the extra leech.
Hey Jacob, interesting perspective on Night Fae. Have not tried it out myself, but that sounds pretty interesting regarding Torghast. Thanks for sharing!
It is like you are a mind reader. Yes it is the next guide to be released, though bear with me - will be working on raid guides in the midst of next week too (:
Love to video! I'm currently in love with playing my VDH and using the Fiery Brand build! I got the Fiery Soul legendary as well :) Keep it up bro, would love to send tanking runs so that you could disect it and give feedback! Maybe a new series on the channel? :) Much love
Nice guide, but not sure on the spiritbomb part - shouldn´t you be using it with 4 or more souls? You are saying more then 4 souls - according to wowhead and icy veins its 4 or more - this is a huge difference in my opionion, but not sure if I am misunderstanding something. Good job , thank you :)
Hey there, actually the Kyrian Sigil build was something that peopled played on the Beta - but now it all narrows down to Fiery Brand build and the Spirit Bomb build. Both playstyles is entirely compatible with the Kyrian Sigil though, and the rotation I explained in this video will apply to both :D
So really important question. If I get the legendary for sigils, razileks, do I keep the spirit bomb build but just remove spirit bomb? I've seen no youtuber or guide talk about this
you keep the Spirit Bomb build. you still play per the rotation I mentioned (: using Soul Cleave as a Fury dump. another way to think about it, is that the legendary does not change your rotational priority.
Do you think to be able to clear the highest key next week we will need to run fiery brand build to receive maximum level vault the week after ? How did +10 feel in the beta at the roughly 200 ilvl ? I'm gonna wait later next week to craft my first legendary but I do have both recipes.
Hey there, I think with a push group that is coordianted it is definitely doable. I am in a similar boat to you, waiting to see how things pan out after reset before crafting my legendary (:
@@Nic_13 im strictly talking about clearing the highest key possible on week 1, when our gear level is probably just around the 200 ilvl mark. From what I read to get a max vault item you need to clear a +14. That could be very rough to accomplish on week 1, all depending on the tuning.
Hey there, that is a custom designed UI that i built myself - you can download it for free here quazii.com/vengeance-demon-hunter-ui-and-weakaura-9-0-shadowlands/
I made my Fiery Soul legendary, and swapped to Fiery Brand build. My soul cried. Defensively, much better. My damage and self-healing seemed to really take a hit though! :(
Hey there, I 100% feel you. You need to play around the uptime of your Fiery Brand essentially - but yes, your damage will take a hit by playing this ultra defensive build. In the long run though, I do think, this is the meta build that people will be pushing with.
@@QuaziiFFXIV I 100% agree! I think I will stay with the Sigil/Spirit Bomb build until my group starts pushing the mid-higher key levels. Even with Spirit Bomb build, I think VDH is still quite a healthy tank to play! As always - thank you for the excellent videos!!
@@QuaziiFFXIV you basically have to play around fiery brand like you do with demon spikes. You really dont even need that much defense until keys start getting high or you are pushing heroic and mythic raids. Its not really a meta build unless thats your main goal. 80% of people will be doing 10 keys max and maybe starting heroic raids. You made a really great guide man very well said. Its nice to see people helping
You say [Elysian Decree] is uncapped AoE but in your tooltip for it there's a softcap of 5 targets before it's reduced. Am I miss understanding something?
Ah basically uncapped meaning even though it's damage reduces beyond 5, it still does damage. Versus other hard capped abilities that simply stops at 5 targets (:
okay do i go fiery brand or Spirit bomb :D wats better all around for M+ aND Raids im new to DH and still trying to figuer out the best way to set up my bars for this class
Feel like there's an error/typo in this, you say to use Spirit Bomb when you have ">4 soul fragments" but everything I've ever read says to use if you have 4 or 5 fragments, particularly with Fracture wasting soul fragments when used at 4. Doesn't make sense to say ">4" since that's just 5, DH doesn't have a talent to increase the cap, so I feel like you probably just meant to say 4 or more?
This is the best content made for tanks in all youtube, thanks for that, Quazii!!!
Would agree with that.
Hey friends, you are too kind. Thank you for being part of my amazing journey, and for the support 👊
He really is the best resource
*Update: I've uploaded my thoughts to Dragonflight Alpha on this new channel - **ua-cam.com/channels/XEvcv2LXzaaWJCKDPGQs8g.html** | Future WeakAuras and UIs will be released on this channel, as I build those UIs on the Beta servers*
No question the BEST VDH tank video in all of UA-cam. Amazing job!
Thanks so much for the support, much appreciated 👊
Best content on YT, thanks Quaz! I’ve been maiming a VDH and I’m absolutely loving it. Fel Dev really helps the gaps when you don’t have spikes and I find myself having to kite less in SL. Awesome content buddy
Hey there, thanks so much for the support 👊 Keep the VDH flag flying high, it's been a blast playing that for me as well.
Just started following you since I came back from a 2y break from WoW, planning on changing my main to a DH, looking up some info on both specs and came across your guids, they are amazing! Detailed, to the point. Love them!
thanks so much for the support 👊 glad to know they were helpful
You honestly deserve way more subscribers, your mythic guides carried me trough first week. Thanks for the content!
Hey Rekzai, thanks for the vote of confidence. I am having so much fun producing content, that even if it was 1 subscriber, I will still be putting them out 👊 thanks for the support!
This is a very good detailed guide to VDH. Thank you for covering everything the way you did.
As a VDH, this helped me fine tune my priority spells. Just crafted the Fiery Brand Legendary yesterday. So far its a fun build for pushing tough content but the holes in the defenses is real. You still have to watch your rotation and adapt rather quickly. Each pull feels like it needs to be calculated and when extra mobs get pulled we don't really have an, "Oh shiz" button other than meta which doesn't really do much against casters or bleeds.
I'm learning to be more conservative with my ability like sigils and not using them right off the bat. Overall VDH is super fun and the burst DPS is a fun playstyle.
Use the phial of serenity if you’re kyrian to help get through the oh shit moments
Hey friends. Indeed, the FB build requires you to know what is the 'pull ahead' so you know whether you should blow defensive CDs or save FB for the start of pulls etc. Definitely adds a new dimension to tanking (:
With my VDH it's the most fun I had since I started player WoW a long time ago! Thanks a lot for all the info on the class and everything!
Hey there, great that you enjoyed the the VDH. Appreciate the support 👊
Bro literally I was watching all your videos looking for a VDH guide. Perfect timing.
👊 Hey William, glad you liked it. Keep me posted on your tanking adventures.
Just found your channel the other day. I must say you deserve a LOT more subs. Absolutely fantastic content, very informative and helpful. Subbed after 2 min in to first video I watched.
Hey there, thanks so much for the kind words. I am having so much fun making content at the moment, that even if I had 1 sub - I would still keep on going 👊
Oh my gosh you changed my whole DH life XD thank you so much for the video
Hey there, happy holidays to you too. Good luck as a VDH 👊
im new to wow and this is the overall best tank guide i have ever seen, and ive seen alot xD thanks!!
thanks so much for the support, glad it was helpful
Another amazing video, as per usual. I made the switch to Fiery Brand build last night and I have to say I’m not at all disappointed. Personally, I’m finding my damage output to be as potent, if not more so in general, as the Kyrian build.
A small aside, Charred Flesh seems to have some seriously diminishing returns when fiery brand works through multiple targets, but remains most effective in terms of time added in single target scenarios. Infernal Armor may be an appropriate alternative for higher keys, especially as each fiery brand tick that spreads is given less time for an immolation aura extension.
Hey there, thanks so much for the support on the video. Indeed FB is definitely lower than the Spirit Bomb build in terms of damage, and will become a lot more relevant only when you start entering one-shot territory in higher and higher keys.
great guide, answered every possible question i could have asked, ty
Hey Alex, glad you found it useful 👊 thanks for the support
This is an excellent guide and video. Love the format, organization, and the concise explanation. Thank you.
Thanks so much for the support, glad you liked it
Haven’t played Wow since Wod this helped me when I decided to do a dh boost when I got shadowlands, appreciate the guide.
Hey there, thanks so much for the support in return. Keep me posted on your DH adventures (:
Really good video! just started a Vengeance as another alt and this is exactly what I needed for a fresh start. Thanks Quazii
Hey Nick, thanks so much for the support on the video 👊 much appreciated
Ohhh boy!!!
Loving it, def gonna try DH tank later in this exp !
Big hug to you my man!
Hey Filipe, how are you? Enjoyed the launch? Big thanks for the support as always 👊
Amazing walkthrough, thanks for the quality content Quazii!
Hey Kenneth, thanks for the support 👊 glad to be of help
Very nice explanation throughout, thanks
Hey Robert, thanks so much for the support 👊 good luck!
Great video, i've been kinda new to wow and you have been teaching me how to tank. I have learned sonmuch from your video's. I'm a prot pally main and now just hit 60 on my VDH. THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP. p.s. the ui has been working really well too.
Hey there, glad it was helpful 👊 appreciate the support you have been showing on my past few videos, so glad they are of help to you in the new expansion!
Awesome guide, so happy to see your subscribers jumping higher and higher everyday! Keep up the solid work man. #quazzigang taking you to the top! Lol
Hey Nick, thanks so much for the support. How has Week 2 of Shadowlands been for you? Glad to hear from you again 👊
@@QuaziiFFXIV its been going very well for me, i was in touch with a GM from blizz about the issues on my monk and it does appear to be a handful of servers that are affected by some tunning changes and they hope to have it fixed by next reset. Until then i just take the MO runs slow for now.
Fantastic, very well explained and presented
👊 thanks so much for the support
New to the DH tanking. Looked fun, I appreciate the in depth guide. Definitely will be referencing it as I level in order to progress and get better.
Hey there thanks so much for the support 👊
Just when I have decided to main this as my tank in SL you release a guide !!!
Hey there, glad it was helpful to you 👊 enjoy the VDH in the SL!
@@QuaziiFFXIV thank you friend. Keep up the awesome content ☺️
Thanks for the DH guide! This is a fun tank to play. Love the mobility that it has.
Hey there, thanks for the support in return. It definitely has unrivalled mobility and utility with Sigils - been a blast playing them.
Great content man just started Veng DH and this is by far the most helpful guide!!!!!
Hey James, thanks so much for the support on the video. Good luck on your adventures👊
Nice format for presenting and perfect content!! Thanks a lot
Hey there, thanks so much for the support on the video 👊
My man, love the guide, love the channel, love the discord, love the website! Keep it up, I need those dungeon guides for next week 🤪😜😭😅😂
Hey Spooky, thanks so very much 👊 Hope you are enjoying the launch
extremely useful and to the point
keep it up!
👊 thanks so much for the support
@Quzii Heya, at 6:42 you said that Fiery Brand lasts 8s (it's 10s) and you say the CD on Meta is 5m (it's 3m). These are pretty important mistakes so thought I'd point them out. Thanks!
Also, I would love if you could talk a bit more about rotation, particularly when to use Soul Cleave vs Fracture, as I'm confused because now Soul Cleave will reduce the CD on Elysian Decree (and/or Fiery Brand) so does that increase its importance? Thanks!
Indeed, have pinned the correction to typos in the comments (I blame lack of sleep during launch week). Thanks for bringing up this really valid points. In a nutshell, you should think of fracture as a top priority to build up souls for Spirit Bomb (if you are playing that). You would bomb on >4 souls, and then after that use Soul Cleave to do a Fury dump - before you build up souls again for another Spirit Bomb.
Such a Great job on this video! Thanks for the info. presented really well and clear! gained a Sub
Hey Mark, thanks so much for the support 👊 Much appreciated, glad it helped!
Have a Prot paly, at level 190, but been wanting to finish leveling my dh after seeing them play.
hey there, definitely play what you enjoy the most 👊 it is a game afterall, I firmly believe you play better when you are having fun
great guide my guy
Hey Terence, thanks so much for the support again 👊
Excellent guide thank you!
👊 glad you liked it
Awesome video, waiting with baited breath for your DK one. Would also really like to know your specific keybindings for a Blood DK, as there is a lot of mitigations to use. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Jason, will circle back to that eventually - just working through lots of content in Castle Nathria and M+. But there will be a time for that for sure (:
I am maining VDH and having a blast. I have gone for the fiery brand build because i got the leggo and i hope to be pushing high keys
Awesome, let me know how your adventures go next week when M+ opens up!
Best tank content on youtube so far. Would love one for blood dk as well :)
Hey Shahir, thanks so much for the support 👊 Will be covering the remaining tanks soon!
Awesome! Will take me some time to put it on gameplay, but I already know where to find the guide! Tks, man! and get some sleep! xD
Hey Wagner, thanks so much for your support. And yes, definitely making sure I get enough sleep before heroic launch week :D
AFter trying all tanks, def DH is the one to go for this expac.
Monk is def more enjoyable (in my opinion) but after studying this vid I gotta confes I am having fun with DH.
Thanks once again brother!
Hey Filipe, thanks for stopping by the stream today btw (: I need time to learn your Twitch name though, so keep reminding me. Glad to hear you are enjoying the VDH - keep going my long time friend 👊
Liked and Subscribed, glad i found your content mate, great work, extremely well laid out and very easy to understand. Kudos.
Thanks Hadzimus, appreciate the support 👊
Excellent content!
Thanks RV, appreciate the support 👊
Very helpful guide video thank you for this.
I know Kyrian is BIS, but I love the Venthyr aesthetic for DH.
definitely, at the end of the day, play what makes you happy. it is a video game after all :D
This guide made me subscribe! Gj
thanks so much for the support, much appreciated
Dude I love you!
thanks so much, I love each and everyone in this amazing community too (:
This was awesome, thank you
Hey Glen, thanks so much for your support 👊 much appreciated!
I've had issues with the BDK spikey health in keys. Which gets me killed a lot, so I use to play VDH. So I might go back to the VDH after seeing this!
Hey there, I 100% know what you mean, having played that on the Beta servers. Definitely stick to what you are comfortable with (:
@@QuaziiFFXIV I agree. But so far it's really difficult to keep them alive because of Runes and RP management with how stats are currently. And the low damage makes things rough as well.
Hi, I have a question, I don't see any reason to play spirit bomb if kyrian... the sigil legendary doesn't count spirit bomb uses to reduce the sigils' cooldown, so one should just talent the fiery brand build if kyrian, right?
hello there, I know what you mean, as you might have the temptation to only use soul cleave to get the Sigil reduction. However, it is still slightly more optimal to Spirit Bomb with >4 souls, and then soul cleaving to fury dump - even though it is counterintuitive (:
@@QuaziiFFXIV but if it is only slightly better dps wise, isn't better to use charred flesh, getting max sigil cdr and good defense?
@@TielZone on higher and higher keys, it is definitely better to play he fiery brand build with the FB leggo without spirit bomb (: play spirit bomb on content when you are looking to go for offense, instead of defense
Quazii hey question for you what build will you be going for first? I'm kinda of up in the air as to which lego I should go. I know right now our ilvl is low so I was concerned about being able to survive in mythics and raids. Is this a viable concern with raid coming out next week along with m+? Or is rez's defilement just our best option right now?
Hey there, I am actually holding off on crafting my leggo if I am completely honest with you - will craft it after the coming reset most likely. But something is for sure though, if progression raiding is more important to you than M+, I will craft the FB leggo first (: and if M+ is equally important to you, I will then craft Rez's Defilement. Hope that make sense.
Most people are saying spirit bomb build with raze leggo is the go to until +18 and up, that’s with competent teammates of course, the damage hit for not using spirit bomb build is pretty noticeable
Great video! Thanks a lot for the tips!
Hey there, thanks so much for the support. Glad you enjoyed it, cheers!
@@QuaziiFFXIV Question, I've been spirit bomb spec for a couple years now but I feel very squishy even doing m+5's. Do you recommend that I switch to the firey brand spec until I get better gear? Currently i184.
Thanks for the great guide! What would covenant would you recommend for a DH that commonly switches between Havoc and Vengeance? Would Kyrian still be the top choice?
Hey there, sorry I cannot comment for Havoc to be honest. Have not researched too much into DPS spec, so I rather not give you any misinformation - I do know for VDH, I will stick to Kyrian at the moment though :D
Thanks, this helps a ton! Im a dps andy, and this will be my first time ever playing a tank as alt! :)
Hey there, glad it helps. Good luck on your adventures!
Real great video. helped me alot :D
glad you like it :D
Omg just the guide i wanted..
Hey James, glad that was helpful. Enjoy 👊
Hey Quazii really cool video as always, i'm playing the fiery brand build since yesterday with the legendary, and goood it's really cool to play, you become very sturdy when you plan well around your pull and it adds a whole new brain game of planning the packs and dungeon that feels very nice when it goes well. I've got to admit though i have sometimes threat problems on big pulls when i don't have fel fev or sigil but with practice i think i'll get better at that and it's not that frequent. About trinket however, I took hakar's one (this one is soo strong, helps pickup aggro with good aoe damage + good shield on a 2 min cooldown daym) but i don't know what to take in second spot, in one of your video you suggeted to take an offenive cooldown, especially before raid lunch as in the raid there are 2 really good trinket with the chain passive thing and the cheat death. But is there any recommendation on an offensive trinket to take if I don't loot in raid ?
Thank you very much ! :)
Overcharged anima battery gives you a ton of haste drops from Ventunax spires of ascension dungeon boss
I get what you mean, and yes Hakkar's trinket is a big plus for getting snap aggro on big pulls when you do not have Sigils down. Hmm the Plaguefall Phial trinket is pretty good as an offensive trinket. I would try to target that if you need an offensive trinket (:
I am glad you are enjoying the FB build, it is definitely something that requires more planning around for packs!
@@QuaziiFFXIV Ye I tried the one from plaguefall, it deals quite a bit of damage, even though it doesn't help me with threat, the damage is good and if we can minmax the damage in Aoe scenario, it can become really powerful. I might give a try to the codex that deals damage in a cone, it could be an additional tool to snap aggro, but I've never tried it, it might be clunky to use it
Why do you build the legendary on your wrists instead of hands? @quazii
Paired with Fiery Soul I believe Void Reaver gets a bump. Demonic is great, but it's only 6 seconds of meta every minute, where Void Reaver is a flat % dmg mitigation, which you said VDH lacks. We're already going to prioritize Soul Cleave with Fiery Soul.
I haven't played any M+ yet, and it's pure speculation and theory crafting, but I'd like your comments none the less.
Thanks for the great content, I really appreciate it!
actually what's strong with demonic talent isn't really the uptime on meta, but the fact you can control it, 6 targeted seconds is extremely valuable, it can be used at the beginning of a big pull where it is the most threatening and mitigate the damage you need to pass the pull while you won't need meta on an easy pull. Hope that helps :)
Hey there thanks so much for your comments Adam, I appreciate you reaching out as well! Matteo's intuition here is aligned with my own - essentially a VDH is really really hard to kill in Meta form, and the fact that every minute, you can access Meta on demand, via the Demonic talent makes it amazing for planning your defensives in various encounter. Especially in keys, what really kills you is spike damage, rather than sustained damage over the entire key.
That what makes demonic so great - as it is best postiioned to help you survive damage that will otherwise kill you - the spike damage in raid / M+
Is your UI available? Like the way your nameplates, details, and frames look
Hey there, yes it is you can download them:
quazii.com/vengeance-demon-hunter-ui-and-weakaura-9-0-shadowlands/
quazii.com/addons-and-faq/
Thank you thank you!
thank you in return for the support!
Hey I love all your guides! Quick question - Why don't you have an Icon in your Weak Auras to track Demon spikes?
Hey there, Demon Spikes are tracked by the two yellow horizontal bars you see in the middle of the screen :D
Ty for the guide Quazii, your videos have been so useful. I'm maining a VDH and, with the help your commentated runs I have been able to beat all of them and get to ilvl180, I'm having a blast. I wanna answer you a question: I have my main VDH and a 60 Prot warrior but I still have the preorder lvl boost available. Which tank do you recommend to boost? Ty for everything and I hopre you're having fun at the Shadowlands!
Hey Omar, thanks for the support 👊 I would recommend a Brewmaster out of the other 4 classes - as you can see your VDH as a M+ main, and a Brew as a raiding main if you do want to get more competitive raiding wise (: Brews are also doing pretty decent in dungeons at the moment!
I have a question, I play a DH Veng Necro and i am following your fiery talents. Why would you not choose Ruinous Bulwark as the final talent? it looks like it is the right choice to heal, dmg and stay alive in M+15 and it deals directly with the Fiery Brand Build.
I am sure you think im a newb and thats ok cause i think i am one as well lol
Nice guide and good work!
What do you think about VDH Venthyr? See some on retail running venthyr
Hey there, I think it is 100% viable. Though it is definitely still behind Kyrian if you are looking to min-max in the game :D
I have a question about which path to take in soulbonds. In the Video you're suggesting to add two Potency Conduit which follow the full Left side, But you also suggest getting Two endurance conduits. Trying to do both is impossible.
I want to make sure i have this correct Are you suggesting for Fiery brand Build you forfit the Covonent ability conduit for Growing inferno or try and put both in and only have one Endurance?
hello there, sorry if I wasn't clearer. You actually need to fully unlock your Renown tree to make the 2 Endurance conduits possible (: for the FB build, I would run Fel Defender + Shattered Restoration for the endurance conduit slots eventaully.
Ohhh ok, That makes trying to stock them a lot easier. Thank you so much for helping all Newbies Vengeance Demon hunters ^_^
Great video! Super insightful and informative. What would you say a typical opener looks like? I tired slowing down the video but everything happens so fast 😅
Hey there, thanks for the support. Will say an opener is usually to get your covenant ability off CD (e.g. Kyrian Sigil), and then simply follow the rotational priority (:
@@QuaziiFFXIV simple enough. Thanks!
Thanks!
👊 thanks for the support
thank you, you are the best
Amazing video, thanks!!
Hey there, thanks so much for the support 👊
Good job
Thanks for the support 👊
Is night fea ideal for soloing torghast I wonder helps hit the boss alot harder.
Hmm I think most people would still prefer sticking to Kyrian because if you pull big in torghast you can pretty much delete packs with Elysian Decree
Imagine having had this guy as a teacher. Id be in harvard right now
haha you are way too kind, I myself didn't even make it to harvard, unlikely I will be able to impart that much knowledge. Regardless, I really appreciate the support, you made my day (:
Wow why haven't I found you sooner, great guide. Quick question though, like protadin haste is our best secondary stat palas have a goal of 20% do we as VDH have a similar goal or is it just as much as we can?
Hey there, thanks so much for the huge compliments. For now, based on current tuning changes, there is not real hard cap on secondary stats, so I would not worry too much about it.
Hey Quazii, I heard that you should'nt play with Spirit bomb once you got the Sigil CD reduction legendary, but you speak about only 2 builds and the fiery brand one uses another legendary, is the person who told me that "wrong" ? Thx ! Awesome videos as always !
Hey there Groukh (: as far as I know, both builds are still viable even if you have the Sigil CD leggo. This is also consistent with what is being explained and described on the VDH Class Discord. A simple way to think about it, the Sigil leggo should not change your rotations when using the Spirit Bomb build. Hope that helps!
Dude i wish my main dps class had such a good guide.
Hey there, you are far too kind. Thanks so much for dropping by and for your support 👊
I wonder if Venthyr says Metamorphosis activity from the cheat death and from fel devastation it would give you a free Fiery Brand too?
@quazii
Hey there, ah those two ways of activating Meta - will not interact with the Venthyr covenant ability in any way (:
@@QuaziiFFXIV I didn’t like vampires anyways lol thanks
Great overview video! Swapped to VDH at the end of Week 1 from my prot pally, and really enjoying it so much more.
2 quick questions
a) With the Kyrian SB build, do you basically just ignore Sigil of Flame altogether, in order to focus CDR on Elysian Decree?
b) What's your take on legendary crafting this week vs. waiting until potential changes in the next couple of weeks?
Sigil of flame does so low of damage I would forgo using it and stick to only using your Elysian decree and utility sigils - keeping your soul ash until mythic raid release is smart unless you think you really need a leggo to push content the next two weeks, gives them the chance to nerf or change something but I don’t think you can go wrong with the 2 he has mentioned in the video
Hey man awesome to hear, here's my answers:
1) yes, you do not use Sigil of Flame, to target the CDR on Elysian Decree
2) my take is to wait as well, you technically no need the legendaries in M0. However, depending on how M+ goes next week, I might decide to craft the leggos after reset (:
thank you for the guide. by the way, is the circle on cursor a weakaura or an addon?
that is a WeakAura, you can find out more here: quazii.com/addons-and-faq/
With the sigil legendary, how do you use spirit bomb / soul carve? Do you use SC more often or just keep the same rotation, and get some free seconds, or do you keep up SB debuff and switch to SC mainly?
Ah good question. the right way to think about it, is that your Sigil leggo should not affect your rotational priority - i.e. you should build up souls up to 4 or more, then Spirit Bomb -> after which, you use Soul Cleave as a Fury dump. Hope that helps puts things into context (:
Hi Quazii, are you planning on updating this to 9.0.5 or are the changes for Vengeance neglibible in your opinion?
hey there, negligible for 9.0.5 - but will revise all guides for 9.1 for sure (:
@@QuaziiFFXIV Alright, thank you :)
Kyrian is powerful, i have two demon hunters to help collect everything i need. One is going night fae though, other kyrian. Kyrian is so powerful though. I like the nightfae to push torghast though, especially when you get the reset ability oh wow youll stay alive through alot with the extra leech.
Hey Jacob, interesting perspective on Night Fae. Have not tried it out myself, but that sounds pretty interesting regarding Torghast. Thanks for sharing!
Fantastic guide! Can you point me to a link to learn how to import fonts to the Elvui?
Hey there, this is a pretty decent guide I used to follow: www.tukui.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1
Is Guardian next? I really enjoy these deep dives.
It is like you are a mind reader. Yes it is the next guide to be released, though bear with me - will be working on raid guides in the midst of next week too (:
Love to video! I'm currently in love with playing my VDH and using the Fiery Brand build! I got the Fiery Soul legendary as well :) Keep it up bro, would love to send tanking runs so that you could disect it and give feedback! Maybe a new series on the channel? :)
Much love
Hey Dedic, thanks so much for dropping by. Indeed will be open to reviewing those runs for sure - as a future series (:
Nice guide, but not sure on the spiritbomb part - shouldn´t you be using it with 4 or more souls?
You are saying more then 4 souls - according to wowhead and icy veins its 4 or more - this is a huge difference in my opionion, but not sure if I am misunderstanding something.
Good job , thank you :)
actually that is a typo, and you are 100% spot on it was meant to be >= 4 on the notes :D
Hey man, love the content just have a small question, do you have your plater profile available anywhere ?
Hey there, indeed - you can download my Plater profile here: quazii.com/addons-and-faq/
yo man, do you have any profile links to your weakauras inlcuding the package youre using for dungeon abilities/debuffs ?
Hey there, yes I do - have listed them here quazii.com/addons-and-faq/
can you make a video about the kyrian sigil build, with the legendary. Or is it not viable?
Hey there, actually the Kyrian Sigil build was something that peopled played on the Beta - but now it all narrows down to Fiery Brand build and the Spirit Bomb build. Both playstyles is entirely compatible with the Kyrian Sigil though, and the rotation I explained in this video will apply to both :D
So really important question. If I get the legendary for sigils, razileks, do I keep the spirit bomb build but just remove spirit bomb? I've seen no youtuber or guide talk about this
you keep the Spirit Bomb build. you still play per the rotation I mentioned (: using Soul Cleave as a Fury dump.
another way to think about it, is that the legendary does not change your rotational priority.
Do you think to be able to clear the highest key next week we will need to run fiery brand build to receive maximum level vault the week after ? How did +10 feel in the beta at the roughly 200 ilvl ? I'm gonna wait later next week to craft my first legendary but I do have both recipes.
Imo fiery brand should be used for well above 15s unless you are running with pugs that have no clue what they are doing
Hey there, I think with a push group that is coordianted it is definitely doable. I am in a similar boat to you, waiting to see how things pan out after reset before crafting my legendary (:
@@Nic_13 im strictly talking about clearing the highest key possible on week 1, when our gear level is probably just around the 200 ilvl mark. From what I read to get a max vault item you need to clear a +14. That could be very rough to accomplish on week 1, all depending on the tuning.
Aside from that nice content, what UI is that?
Hey there, that is a custom designed UI that i built myself - you can download it for free here quazii.com/vengeance-demon-hunter-ui-and-weakaura-9-0-shadowlands/
I made my Fiery Soul legendary, and swapped to Fiery Brand build. My soul cried. Defensively, much better. My damage and self-healing seemed to really take a hit though! :(
Hey there, I 100% feel you. You need to play around the uptime of your Fiery Brand essentially - but yes, your damage will take a hit by playing this ultra defensive build. In the long run though, I do think, this is the meta build that people will be pushing with.
@@QuaziiFFXIV I 100% agree! I think I will stay with the Sigil/Spirit Bomb build until my group starts pushing the mid-higher key levels. Even with Spirit Bomb build, I think VDH is still quite a healthy tank to play!
As always - thank you for the excellent videos!!
@@QuaziiFFXIV you basically have to play around fiery brand like you do with demon spikes. You really dont even need that much defense until keys start getting high or you are pushing heroic and mythic raids. Its not really a meta build unless thats your main goal. 80% of people will be doing 10 keys max and maybe starting heroic raids. You made a really great guide man very well said. Its nice to see people helping
You say [Elysian Decree] is uncapped AoE but in your tooltip for it there's a softcap of 5 targets before it's reduced. Am I miss understanding something?
Ah basically uncapped meaning even though it's damage reduces beyond 5, it still does damage. Versus other hard capped abilities that simply stops at 5 targets (:
Got it thanks for clearing that up. Uncapped sounds too good to be true!! :D
@Quazii Could you share your UI / Add on's for vengeance DH pretty please ?
indeed, you can download them here: quazii.com/vengeance-demon-hunter-ui-and-weakaura-9-0-shadowlands/
@@QuaziiFFXIV Tyvm
What’s the addon that gives you the circle on your mouse cursor
Hey there, you can download it here: quazii.com/addons-and-faq/
It is actually a WeakAura.
Does Razelikh’s defilement work if you use spirit bomb? Or has it got to be soul clever
Raz Defilement could 100% work if you Spirit Bomb as well. Simply Spirit Bomb when you have 4 souls or more, and use soul cleave as a fury dump (:
For those who are looking for a legendary that works really well for any covenant and even if you play havoc, Collective Anguish is looking good
Hey there, interesting take. Thank for sharing!
okay do i go fiery brand or Spirit bomb :D wats better all around for M+ aND Raids im new to DH and still trying to figuer out the best way to set up my bars for this class
I would say for majority of the content, Spirit Bob should be sufficient (:
@@QuaziiFFXIV ty
Feel like there's an error/typo in this, you say to use Spirit Bomb when you have ">4 soul fragments" but everything I've ever read says to use if you have 4 or 5 fragments, particularly with Fracture wasting soul fragments when used at 4. Doesn't make sense to say ">4" since that's just 5, DH doesn't have a talent to increase the cap, so I feel like you probably just meant to say 4 or more?
oh 100% right, that is a typo, it should read "=> 4 soul fragments"
Hey bro I've got your ElvUI but wondering how you get the circle cursor. Can you help me work it out?
ah yes the cursor is a wekaura - you can get it here quazii.com/addons-and-faq/
@@QuaziiFFXIV thanks man! Do you find it better to use? I guess that's a rhetorical question