“…constructive and well intentioned criticism can be the most difficult to swallow bc you can’t just brush it off as hate” is such a good, well worded piece of advice
I agree with what you're saying about constructive criticism however a lot of these people were just being mean they could have given the guy real advice instead of just bashing him think about if you wrote your first song and we're already shy about releasing it or uncertain of yourself and then all these people started bashing you this is the type of thing that drives people to commit suicide I know it sounds like a stupid thing to do that over but it has happened in young people when their community turns on them especially for something so dumb
@@matthewpitre8159 and that is why young people shouldn't be given the tools to create this big communities around them, they're not yet ready to face these kind of consequences
@@skizzpulse then tell me why you think that young people, who can't yet discern good from bad and with a still undeveloped fragile personality, should be given platforms with millions of followers who criticize them too harshly and can potentially expose them to real threat
I'm so glad I'm not the only one 😭😭 other people were talking about how terrible it was to compare him to MGK and i agreed as if I wasn't cackling at the joke for 3 minutes 💀 i thought it was gonna be about the emo girl song too lmao
I know obviously this is directed at a very specific person, but that "You can't change their mind by overexplaining why you do something" is some really good advice I feel like I need to take to heart that I've never heard from anyone before.
I once tried defending a song artist that my friend said sucked and immediately when I started to defend the artist, she said, "I'm not in the mood" I was just making a claim and she was hating on me for no reason. I literally started crying afterward, trying to figure out what I did wrong.
@@DrawDrawDrawAnime1234 You don't have to justify your likes or interests to other people. If your friend thinks a song/artist you like sucks, that's okay and you shouldn't try to convince them that they're wrong; they have a right to have an opinion. Now if they're actively trying to put you down by making fun of your tastes or trying to seem superior, the best thing you can do is not give a f. Do YOU like it? Then what matters what your friend thinks? You can live your life trying to justify all your tastes to bitter people who find pleasure in hating on things, or you can just ignore them and keep on gleefully consuming your interests, no matter how "objectively bad" or "good" they are
I think this guy’s song isn’t bad but I wouldn’t say it’s good either. It could use some work but it definitely doesn’t deserve the amount of hate it has been receiving.
literally just sounds like basic pop punk. Like someone who wants to make it but never really studies the genre. Just throws some cliche lyrics over 2-3 chords. Bro just needs to follow his own mind and creativity.
@@dirtysploof5890 Exactly. His music isn’t necessarily bad, he just needs to branch out on the chords and music and get a little more creative with his lyrics.
@@SnowLily123 Also, this genre just may not be for someone like him. The whole point of punk imo is totally not giving a fuck, it doesnt even have to be good sounding music necessarily (im talking more about noise groups). You just need the energy and individuality
Honestly, I think 99% of the hate happened because he started the tiktok by saying "did I just write the next emo punk anthem?" or whatever. The hive mind had already sharpened their knives before he sang the first note.
I really like this comment. Not to sound old fashioned, but it really goes to show how important first introductions are. Poor guy just made some bad decisions when it came to the promotion of his music.
Not gonna lie, when I read “did I just write the next emo punk anthem?” I did feel like an immediate denial coming. His song would have had to be amazing to live up to that.
I agree but I think if he'd have dropped the most insane fire anyone had ever heard people might've actually been into it. I have seen people do that kind of thing and then show me something awesome and I've been excited to give credit where it's due. I think, like another comment said, it's about the amount of hype he built for such a low quality song. The song itself isn't even the worst in the world. It's not great and I don't enjoy it but some of the melodic intervals are at least interesting and I could see someone liking it. But he started off being kind of annoying with that question and then didn't shock people with the high quality of it lol
Yea I agree. Before I even heard it was absolutely expecting to dislike the song. It just feels a bit arrogant to claim smth like that, whether its true or not.
As a former emo teenager, now emo adult, this dude looks and sounds like he was frozen inside a hot topic since 2004 and someone accidentally thawed him out
This is sad. He is so proud of his song and people are bullying him. It takes a long time and a lot of experience to learn how to present yourself online. He didn't do anything wrong, he just didn't present himself well.
Saying you made "the next anthem" is super arrogant. I don't blame people for reacting negatively. If he just posted the song with comment no one would have cared
@@heavenonearth3316 doesnt mean they deserve it, but you have to be aware that off arrogant and cocky, people are going to dislike you immediately, and that shapes the way people will interact with your brand/product. because thats what this is, he is posting as an artist, as a musician rather than a regular person and that can come with heavy and harsh criticism.
@@candylide unhelpful criticism, but criticism nonetheless. i can say "this fuckin sucks" and thats criticism. "this sounds terrible" "would be better on mute" its all harsh, pretty mean criticism. doesnt have to be a detailed breakdown of that makes it bad
I think one of the big things is his declaration that it's going to be successful before playing that. That primes your alt crowd to immediately be suspicious. The song isn't actually bad, it's just not a hit.
Yeah, especially with the alt crowd, theres often some innate importance placed on the fact that the music doesnt "exist to be popular". That's not a good thing, thats not a bad thing, it just is. Sometimes you end up with a bunch of people "gatekeeping" their favorite bands because they don't want them to get mainstream, but I think at it's core it's about wanting music to be kind of its own and authentic. Marketing a song to that community by going "this is gonna be a HIT!" is not exactly thought out..
@@imphie Nope, it's definitely an inhaler. It's a parody of the old woman with inhaler poster that a lot of UA-camrs used to have (for example MrBeast). He talks about the original poster in "The weird side of Amazon 2" and he talks about the fact people thinks he's drinking milk in "redecorating my office"
"Wouldn't wanna introduce young people to pop punk" being said sarcastically is actually the peak of comedy, considering the reputation pop punk bands actually get when it comes to young people
i really appreciate how danny gives so much empathy to people he covers. the earnest advice is really refreshing to see rather than just plainly making fun of someone
The music mostly isn't that bad, it's the framing of "this is the next big thing" combined with the quirky overexagerated acting and aesthetic (like how there are 5 different sound effects when he starts explaining how lyrics work) that make this unlikeable. It gives off the vibe of trying waaaaaaaay too hard and the over the top acting/expressions feel like a kids TV show
Everyone is trying to go viral/get their 15 seconds of fame, it's a product of our current economy. I don't know how long he's been on social media or how much it takes up of his life but when you see the same thing over and over again it's hard not to join in.
It's like someone showing off a piece of art they've just finished with the caption of "So uh, did I just make the next Mona Lisa or what!" It does not matter how good the art is, there's no way it can live up to that sort of comparison and people are more likely to disagree just because it comes of as pretentious, no matter whether they would've liked it otherwise.
"Shirt" and "shit" is a slant rhyme. An example of a perfect rhyme is "shirt" and "skirt". Thank you for coming to my TED talk (probably from 9th grade English)
this video is the beginning of Danny's arc as a "social media dad." years from now, when hundreds of thousands of people are regularly seeking social media advice from Danny, they'll look back on this video as the inception of an era.
I feel that starting that tiktok with “is this the next emo anthem” was the biggest mistake. Any bold statements like that and the like of “if you like MCR you’ll love my band” are destined to not work with the emo crowd. The alternative scene was born out of not liking what everyone else likes, not being who everyone else is, by not fitting in so making it obvious that we don’t fit in. Tell us you made a song you think we might enjoy, that represents your view on the scene. That’ll get way more positive attention. Sure people can be pricks and you’ll never escape the negative comments but I believe there would be way less if it was done a different way
Calling it "emo punk" was stupid too lol. It was neither. It just pop radio rock with Hot Topic apparel. Doesn't mean it can't be good but it is a bad idea to not even know what genre you made.
I totally agree with you, on a personal level also because my music taste is so specific, I’ll like one band but not the one that sounds super similar because, to me it’s the song that matters and if I like it, I might like your band, but maybe not
I love the legitimate criticism and advice you give him. It's good advice for anyone who wants to start making content as well. You're always so respectful to people as well, even when they really do deserve the criticism. I look up to you so much as someone who wants to be a creator, and also just as someone who wants to be a good person. Thanks, Danny.
"Did I just reach meme status?" "Did I just compose the new emo anthem?" He's a bit too ahead of himself.. When I see people chase fame with even a hint of desperation it always makes me uncomfortable
hes always been like that. thinks hes gods gift to the world and to women. hes probably desperate to make it on tiktok cause no one in town will book him cause of him being an enormous creep
His music is pretty much on par with older “generic” emo music lol. I can 100% imagine early 2000’s emo and scene kids rocking out to this Also GODDAMN the acoustic version genuinely is something I’d listen to, he’s skilled on the guitar
I've actually unfollowed some people before because they wouldn't stop responding to their haters in a way that just felt like a huge waste of time and energy. I think you're spot on in saying that a creator like this can't spread a message of not caring about what others think while also trying to change people's minds. Also, I love the respectful tone of this video - that's something I love about your commentary. Entertaining, but always pretty fair and never needlessly mean.
I totally get why you would unfollow them bc like as a fan it also kind of sucks to constantly see someone responding to haters rather than responding to fan/followers or even just making content that made you get followers in the first place
"Entertaining, but always pretty fair and never needlessly mean." Can we refer to the Drew Gooden, Danny Gonzalez, Eddy Burback commentary era as the post-Leafy era?
Oh you're right!!XD Maybe because it mentions princes and princesses the imagined ages are primary school ages? That would make it make more sense because if the song's about how life isn't as great as it was during childhood being a young person just starting to grow up (I'm assuming his audience includes teenagers) is the time during which a lot of people start to learn more about the grey areas of the world and how nothing is so cookie-cutter and great as you once thought it to be.
I listen to pop punk frequently, and IMO this song is OK at best, but I think the visuals are where it really falls apart. If you've ever seen a video by Finn McKenty (The Punkrock MBA) you know how important he thinks the projected personality, or "star power", of the frontman of a band is, and I tend to agree with that. This is a one-man-band (as far as I can tell), which makes his presentation even more important when he decides to include himself in the video(s). To me he comes off as disingenuous in the newer videos (including the music video), like he's doing a persona, and the performance feels both forced and understated somehow, like he doesn't quite dare to go all in, because it's not really who he is. (The half assed dance in the "happy pop-break" at 6:08 was especially painful to watch). In the older videos he comes off as more genuine, and even though the music isn't necessarily better, it's at least more pleasant to watch. I get making a flashy video and trying to stand out, but people can smell bullshit from a mile away. The lyrics also seem to be impersonaI, and to me they come off more like he's used a "pop punk lyric formula" rather than write something meaningful himself. I'm not saying this to be mean to the guy, it's just my take on the matter. I do hope he keeps at it and tries to improve, and that he can learn to project himself more genuinely in the process.
I think the reason he's getting way more hate than he should is cause he's targetting a subculture that's really big on gatekeeping (coming from someone who was on the receiving end). I haven't visited his profile but I'm honestly so sure that a lot of the people hating on him are the same people that would ask you to name three songs if they saw you wearing a shirt from a rock band Edit: didn't expect a lot of people to agree with me lmao
I think it's weird how I see people go for the fashion specifically when it comes to punk, and use "Disney channel" as like, their go to insult. What if he (and others like him) just genuinely like that take on the style? I don't get why it's deemed like, "not punk enough".
Danny being honest but not needlessly cruel is such a nice thing to see, I feel like a lot of people who focus on commentary try too hard to justify their criticism instead of keeping a fair balance and end up being a bit excessive in an attempt to overcompensate. Good video, hopefully this dude can learn from it. (I think the most important thing to learn from these days is the point about giving people a reaction. Even smaller artists I follow run into this problem where they try to be accommodating and instead people use it as opportunity to dogpile accusations or guilt them into only creating content that person wants to see.)
I was really heavy in the pop punk scene in high school and this guy reminds me of a lot of the people I used to hang out with. The internal conflict of not caring about fitting in with the mainstream and desperately wanting the approval of the pop punk/emo community is a huge part of the culture and if you're not immediately beloved and accepted within the community, it's easy to fall into this sort of cringe defensiveness. I feel like that's a little true for every creator, but it's a huge issue in the pop punk community / music scene
I don’t know specifically about pop punk but I’ve seen this a lot too with other groups and made me feel bad for him. I’m sure he hoped he would be able to fit into this niche group he wanted to be a part of (maybe after not feeling accepted by the majority) but he ended up being treated like an outsider. Hopefully something good will come of this for him.
THIS. Punk is supposed to be about bucking the mainstream, being weird and coming as you are, but then within THAT group you have to conform to what everyone agrees is acceptable weirdness or you become even more hated. It’s pretty messed up. Realizing you don’t fit into the norm, thinking you might have found a group of people who feel the same as you, finally letting your guard down and exposing your weirdness to that group - only to then be told you’re the wrong kind of weird.. fuck man.
Tiktok literally ruined the subculture that pretty much describes me, when it comes to music. I don’t think they even know what ‘Emo’ subcultures really are anymore.
I agree with that. There are some people who like that subculture. Just hating on it doesn’t help. Most of TikTok claims that they want to be “open and nice and kind” but then they’re hating on stuff people can actually enjoy. (Also yes I know this is 7mo late, just saw the comment and wanted to agree)
Tiktok isn't the only space music is in. With music like this the small scene is where you want. if you live in a college town or like a big city there's probably a pretty decent underground scene.
i don't think he would have gotten as much hate if he hadn't declared the song "the next emo anthem." That stuff needs to happen naturally and agreed on by the community as a whole, this is just like the Trampstamps trying to prove they deserve punk clout
Okay but who even considers themselves emo now. Isn’t it all e-girls/boys and shit? Goth maybe, that sure stuck, but I don’t think anyone considers emo to be a thing anymore. Like I just mean who is around to give a crap what this one Tiktoker calls his song? No hate to anyone who still calls themselves emo, I just thought it was an outdated subculture now.
Tbh I'm annoy about him claiming it's "the next emo anthem" like dude doesn't even have a fan base yet and he seems to make such a huge claim. Ofc people are gonna have insanely high expectations and if his brave enough to make such bold claim he should be brave enough to take the hate/criticism it gets. Especially compare to how good actual "emo anthem" are like mother mother, choke, set it off, etc compare to his songs. He wants to be unique but it sounds like a mess, the point of a good song isn't to be unique it's to sound good. If it's main goal is just to stand out then it's not gonna be good. Jack stauber one example of a unique song that sounds good
i really respect danny for actually trying to understand this guy and help him, not just completely hating on him like everone else. this is one of the reasons you're my favorite youtuber!
Great, constructive vid! I was surprised no one brought it up in the TikTok comments, but the song clip he’s using is eerily similar to the chorus of ”Kings & Queens” by Thirty Seconds To Mars, with ”Kings & Queens” being changed to ”princes & princesses”. Even if that’s a reference on purpose it’s too close for comfort. As you said, the rest of the song is also better! He’s got great potential for sure.
Man even if he is just doing satire or a parody, he’s got so much more passion and effort than 90% of anyone else on Tik Tok. The girl who duetted with him literally just sat with her phone right up to her face and said “no”. No effort or talent to do that. Just being really rude for no reason. I respect this guy
literally there's people with 0 talent and a lack of passion for what they do (cough, lil huddy) that go to huge festivals just because some 12 year olds liked them and thought they were hot. like that's the majority of what tiktok "famous" people have - and then there's the people who may not be that skilled but give a crap about what they do and they're bullied endlessly because their first attempt wasn't good
Even then, as a huge pop punk fan and emo kid since 2009, his music was FUN! That's what should matter! Plus I think that since "scene" died out, none of the TikTok Teens recognize that his music is a mix of scene and pop punk - scene being known for being ridiculous and, again, fun
I agree. It’s really sad and unfair that her 3 second long video is getting thousands more likes than his which actually could have taken him hours/days/ weeks to work on. Tik tok praises apathy and mental weakness. I’m so worried about this generation.
yeah. bet 90% of the people parroting the same baseline insults have never picked up an instrument in their lives. not saying you need to be a trained musician to differentiate good and bad music, but it is ironic that a bunch of non musicians think they have the authority to gatekeep music.
I feel like if he sat down and really thought about it he could write a decent song. My main problem with this song is that you can tell he is trying way too hard to sound emo while singing. Which is why the acoustic version sounded better imo.
I know this video is old, but I think the thing with Andy is he can either make music for the community, or make music for himself and build a community around that. There's nothing wrong with either of those routes, as long as you're enjoying it. But Andy is trying to make music for himself and push that music onto the community, and it's clearly not working out. One thing I think might help is cover songs? It helps you get a better grasp of the instruments and singing styles and what you like versus what other people like.
So his hook of "we were the princes and princesses" sounds incredibly similar melodically to the *30STM* song Kings and Queens containing the lyrics "We were the kings and queens..." I am 100% confident he's a parody cause that's too on the nose Edit: Either that or he's drawing WAY too much inspiration from an 11 year old song lol
I like this video so much. Just the message of being more tolerate to people trying to express themselves through their art and Danny’s support to this dude, who btw doesn’t seem to be a bad person, is just nice and cheerful. Thank you
Same! I like places with this ambiance where everyone is encouraged to flourish and it's cool that his videos are both oasis in places that can be more aggressive, and showing us ways to consider things that we can use to expand the vibe around us.
agreed! i really appreciate danny's tone in this video. he pokes fun but commends the guy for expressing himself and offers helpful advice/critiques, while also pointing out how wrong the crowd is for being SUPER unnecessarily mean. i also love that he points out the irony in the generic responses LOL
Watching again this a few months later, and I just wanna let everyone know that Greg did a great job of filling Andy's comments with positivity and support, and the Greg army is strangling out the hateful comments. Im proud of you Greg.
Honestly I really feel bad for this guy. He seems to really be proud of the art he puts out there and I can totally respect that. As a very small artist myself, I know how fucking heartbreaking it'd be to put something out there that you're really proud of only to get that level of hate. It's honestly a pretty scary thought, and I really hope it's something that never happens to me.
Right.. Being an artist who had formal education and been around artists (beginners and professional when I'm lucky- and of course having your works criticized) ik how heartbreaking it is when your art was being shitted on. Which is why I like to fond good things even on art thats not my taste, or even on newer beginner artists. Thats what makes them go forward and be better, if the creator is neutral, or kind, just find something to make them feel proud of their works, after all, it still takes a lot of time, and there are tons of love poured into it. Effort and love is part of being an artist
The amount of hate he got was absolutely insane. I’m surprised he’s managing to get past it. That would definitely absolutely destroy me. I’m very sensitive and even one rude comment makes me upset so nevermind thousands. I feel bad for him and I hope he’s doing ok.
Oh fucking absolutely. People who unironically listen to 100 gecks would jam to this in a more hyperpop style. I think I'm people. Seriously though, I think shooting for pop punk wasn't what he should have went for. Maybe some sort of hybrid of the two?? hyperpop punk???
What about his super early 2000’s punk guitar riffs make you think he would do well in heavy auto tuned hyperpop. Y’all gotta stop with the fake nice shit hah this dude isn’t like some horrible musician but he’s just an average dude who likes to make music he grew up on. “He would do reeeeeally fucking well in the hyperpop genre” hahahahahha man I wanna puke reading that hahahaha ugh go to sleep after that bullshit cucky Danny simp comment
I checked his channel now. He’s pretty successful and all of the comments are good. He clearly listened to this, and his music is also better. All it takes to make someone successful is Danny and the Greg army.
Never heard about this until now and I just listened to it. It sounds like Kings and Queens by 30 Seconds to Mars if it were watered down, filtered to the bare bones of lyrical writing, and also sung by Shane Dawson. In fact the choruses almost seems identical in melody if you listen to them multiple times. Which isn’t bad per se, he just needs to develop a bit more of his own sound that fits his vocals in a better way.
Lol just seeing this comment! I felt like no one else noticed the similarities to Thirty Seconds to Mars’ song. Glad to know I’m not the only one who caught that lol.
I was just about to comment saying the same thing, especially the "We are the princes and princesses of..." being almost exactly the same as Thirty Seconds to Mars' "We are the kings and queens of..." down to having nearly the same melody. Pretty sure that was a big part of his downfall, making a song trying to emulate an another already popular song (even if he didn't consciously mean to) instead of making music that was truly "his".
1 year later and the poor dude is still getting hated on on tiktok even though his music really isn’t that bad. Ppl just don’t like things that are different unfortunately. And of course his marketing isn’t top notch so it makes it even easier for people to find things to make fun of
I also genuinely don't think a lot of the people seeing and commenting on his videos about how bad things are really know or like punk or pop punk. Pop punk as a genre is very satirical and campy. Also trying to argue objective goodness and badness in punk is kind of against the essence of what punk is. Is it the best song no but like it is very much pop punk and not as far off from old pop punk stuff than a lot of people might think.
As someone who was and still sort of is a part of the alt community it doesn’t surprise me how harsh people are being. The alt community is one of the rudest most gatekeeper communities which is why I’ve separated myself from it for the most part.
This. The alt community is so awful to each other despite claiming they are super accepting to individuals and outsiders yet you still have to fit into these cliques and niches theyve created.
ok ima be all over this comment thread saying this guy deserved it. he lives in my city and hes the biggest gatekeepy POS and is known to be super predatory with women
yeah, on one hand there are a lot of people calling themselves "goth" or "emo" just to seem cool without actually being in the subcultures, but on the other hand the amount of gatekeeping and classism in the community is disproportionately bad compared to that. people act like if you dont own at least one pair of demonias you're not alternative and its dumb.
"Unrelease this" cracked me up (the first time), but if I put out some art and got that I think I'd yeet myself out of a plane. I don't think a lot of people think about how disproportionate it is to rag on him this hard for so little. They just saw him feeling himself and his song and decided to knock him down. ALSO. The culture of just ruthlessly knocking on people or cringing at them is so exhaustingly negative and it's also like... discouraging anyone from trying things or sharing them if they can't be instantly popular or monetized or perfect beyond reproach. Very cool to see a more down to earth and chill commentary
i think we can all agree that a lot of that is 1.) hive mind behavior and 2.) people are so disconnected and hide behind the anonymity of the internet that they just say whatever they want without real commentary.
The response did go pretty insane with everything, but I do think that him starting out the original song with "did I just write the next emo anthem" was truly jumping the gun to the point of no return. He didn't deserve to be completely hated on, but I don't disagree with the comments that sort of poke fun at the fact that it isn't very good.
If I had released I song I was really proud of and then got a shit ton of hate for it like him I would honestly felt so terrible. Like props on him for not letting it get to him too much. I think it would of definitely made me seriously depressed and I would of cried a lot. Like there was so much rude comments at him, it’s insane. And just because they didn’t like his song?
i think the biggest problem with the guy's music is he seems like a rhythm guitarist, the type that learned music through singing over acoustic guitar. which is great! but you cant always just take something that sounds good with acoustic guitar and vocals, slam it out on electric, and then sing louder and hope it works. ill bet you ANYTHING he composes on acoustic guitar, relying on his more practiced skills. i do that too, but it's not exactly easy to write electric guitar pieces with an acoustic instrument. that acoustic ballad version of the song is great because the guitar and vocals work together to create a flow. in the electric one, hes using power chords, and longer notes, and he doesnt change the vocals. it just creates an awkward mismatch and it makes it sound like he's singing off tempo. just one notch better at making music, like danny said, and this guy would have it in the bag! he's just missing the mark a little bit on the genre and on a consistent genre, instrument to instrument.
I've grown up on commentary youtube, and honestly, I am so happy it's taking such a positive and lighthearted turn as we all get a little older. I think the community has grown with the genre and this vid is a really good example of how you can be funny while not being mean.
Right! I think a lot of people have seen how soul sucking and damaging the dog piles and "joking" insults can be, and are just coming to a more empathetic place where the vibe is like... you do you, man. I think a lot of people didn't like what they were becoming either. The toxicity also means no one really feels safe expressing themselves or sharing or growing, so it's also suffocating and discouraging to be around.
Song 1: I listen to music like that day to day, but it's not for me. I wouldn't like skip it maybe unless it's too long but like they don't need to hate and he really seems like a nice person
I fell asleep watching Danny and woke at 3 am to 6:09 and the nightmare on the screen. Slammed paused right as Danny said, "What tf?" as I too went wtf??? Why that shit scared me and I couldn't go back to sleep for like 10 minutes. 😂
@@sluhn9837 I haven't revisited this video since I left this comment because I was truly scarred and you have reminded me of my trauma and laugh at it. Based, tbh. LMAO.
I feel like if he had released this 10/15 years ago, he would have had a much bigger fan base because it's not so out of place for that time period as it is now. Like it's not awful, it's just not as good as the hype he tried to create which is part of why people are reacting negatively. I'm sure if Andy kept working on his style he'd eventually find more of an audience that digs it
This is a well meaning comment and I don't want to be apart of a crowd that wants to tear some one down for his art but I really don't think this song would fit in that well back then either.
Yeah, I could see this guy getting popular in 2012ish, and based on his apparent age and aesthetic, I have to assume that's the time period that had the most impact on him. Problem is, it seems like he just froze in that era.
This would not fit in with pop punk/emo 10-15 years ago. This song is a quintessential example as to why modern pop punk isn't anywhere close to being as good as pop punk in the 90s/2000's.
its because the charm of this kind of music is BECAUSE its outdated. its the classic and for its time it was big! (this isnt hateful btw just what i think is the reason)
The biggest mistake he could've ever done was say "Did I make the newest emo anthem?" because it immediately got himself to be compared to the likes of MCR or PaTD and have his starting song be compared to The Black Parade, which... No, nothing can really be compared to that album nor its most infamous song. It's not just because the song feels like it's going off of scene music rather than emo punk rock, it's also because it's not... unique? Or out there, in terms of the emo nor scene genres. I think he definitely has opportunity. If he were to go back to his laid-back and grounded self and made his own style, I think he'll be able to find his own community. I will say, though, TikTok is very prone to harassing people and repeating jokes that aren't funny after the first time. I'm not surprised that happened.
I think a big part is that he’s pushing the one song as if he’s an established artist with a new single, as opposed to an enthusiastic unsigned artist. If he released TikToks about his process of writing and recording *other* songs, it wouldn’t come across as so defensive, and he could actually seem to progress as a creator. Going for a “hey, what do you think of this new chorus/lyric/idea” would allow for him to react to feedback, as opposed to spending his time trying to argue about the qualities of his finished song.
the biggest mistake was the "did i just make the new emo anthem?", that immediately raises the standards of what to come next and by failing to live up to those expectations hes bound to get a more of a negative response than if he hadnt done that
Ugh. I’m so torn. On the one hand, I definitely feel bad for the dude because assholes on the internet _love_ to take shit waaaay too far. And he most certainly hasn’t done anything to deserve *any* genuine hate. _However,_ dude straight up *asked* everyone if he’d written a classic. Which is a _hella_ bold move. (Especially considering, in _my personal_ opinion, the song’s pretty rough.) So, yeah, he kinda got what he asked for? (A bit too much to the extreme though, that’s for sure!) Hopefully this guy sees Danny’s video (Which I’m *sure* that he will!) and takes his advice to heart as they’re some pretty solid pointers! Best of luck, my dude!
seriously, dude set himself up for failure. obviously he doesn’t deserve the excessive hate but he set expectations up way too high for a song that really doesn’t stand on its own stylistically? i feel like he has potential, but he needs room to grow before he can call any of his songs an anthem. i wish him the best of luck, though.
He doesn’t even seem old enough to be saying he was in any way part of these “glory days” he’s like 23 at the most which would mean he was single digit age at the time emo and pop punk were at their peak in the 2000s.
Those commentors didn't take it too far. They weren't harassing or making fun of him personally, they were just saying stuff like, "Dude, take this trash." Which is the most run of the mill internet comment.
I agree. People always find the next 'town fool' to throw tomatoes at, and while his music isn't really all that good, some people need to be a little objective about it too. It's not the worst thing in the world lol
@@tupaclives5848 he looks kinda old to me tbh. like late 20s. especially if he worked as a bartender 6 years ago, meaning if he was in his early 20s he'd be like 16-18 then lmao.
Every time my social anxiety makes me believe that everybody hates me, I just look at people like this on the internet and how people react to them. It's like therapy, but solely relying on other people's misery
I'm so glad Danny didn't just blindly roast this dude like everyone else. Sure, this song is not very good, but it's not THAT bad. Besides, we all gotta start somewhere, and it actually seems he put some effort into it.
When musicians on TikTok start a video by saying “Did I just write the next ______ anthem?” Or “Did I just make up a new genre?” They have practically invited everyone to viciously humble them. I cannot imagine a faster way to get everyone rooting against you
“Did I just write the worst song to ever exist and the government is now on their way to my house to arrest me for my crimes against humanity?” might be a little better
I’m gonna be honest, the song isn’t even that bad??? I don’t think its something I’d go out of my way to listen to, but I think saying that it is a bad/awful song is taking it too far.
honestly taking this song and making it more of a "wake me up when September ends" vibe I'm sure more people would enjoy it. honestly the convoluted message he's giving after the fact sucks but if the good intent is there, then that all this guy needs.
Honestly i think that the only problem is that his voice just doesnt match the speed of the normal song and instead fits much better with a slower tone like when he played it with the acoustic guitar
The people who are saying this is Disney rock really needs to take a step back and realize this is literally exactly how the majority of pop punk songs are.. people are just nostalgic to old emo music and refuse to believe it’s not actually as heavy and dark as they remember it being when they were angsty teens (Edit) Let me add there is nothing wrong with old emo/ pop punk music, it slaps but common guys it’s not far off from this…
I get what you mean but a lot of pop punk has more complex instrumentals at least, this sounds like a first draft of a pop punk song, also the way he's dressed is very costumey, similar to how tramp stamps tried to dress "punk" but failed miserably
you hit the nail right on the head with this comment👌🏾 and it doesn't make it bad music. If you still like that music, that is perfectly okay. I still like pop punk, not nearly as much as I used to.
@@sourgreendolly7685 super confused as to the part I mentioned that people stopped listening to it.. I think you misunderstood what I said because it literally has NOTHING to do with what you’re saying lmao
Yeah people like to pretend Blink 182 didn't release songs like first date and the rock show. Early and mid 2000s pop punk was fun, dare I say even goofy at times. It's why it's still usually in my most played playlists cause it makes me happy.
“…constructive and well intentioned criticism can be the most difficult to swallow bc you can’t just brush it off as hate” is such a good, well worded piece of advice
I agree with what you're saying about constructive criticism however a lot of these people were just being mean they could have given the guy real advice instead of just bashing him think about if you wrote your first song and we're already shy about releasing it or uncertain of yourself and then all these people started bashing you this is the type of thing that drives people to commit suicide I know it sounds like a stupid thing to do that over but it has happened in young people when their community turns on them especially for something so dumb
@@matthewpitre8159 and that is why young people shouldn't be given the tools to create this big communities around them, they're not yet ready to face these kind of consequences
@@Salvare___000 I disagree
@@skizzpulse then tell me why you think that young people, who can't yet discern good from bad and with a still undeveloped fragile personality, should be given platforms with millions of followers who criticize them too harshly and can potentially expose them to real threat
I am writing this down
danny saying "its not easy defending you my guy." after seeing the joker poster in his room is the best part of the whole video
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Collei pfp ily
@@faenene COLLEI
Ikr 😂
True
well thanks for spoiling it!!! (this is a joke)
Pellet gun Kelly got me
SMAE 😭💀
@@ineedmentalhelpxoxo I’m thinking same on you’re name lol
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He dies look like Walmart MGK who looks like Walmart draco malfoy on weed. But hey atleast imo this Andy guy is better than MGK
Water gun kelly
Okay but "YOOO UNRELEASE THIS" originally was pretty funny
THIS IS A HIDDEN GEM 🔥 🔥 KEEP IT HIDDEN 🔥 🔥
The responses made it better
This shit is fire 🔥 DROWN IT
THIS IS FIRE🔥🔥🔥 BURN IT
AND THE CROWD GOES MILD 🌊💦
spoken like a true prince of the glory days
It’s weird knowing you’re watching a video at the same time as another youtuber! Hi Jarvis ily.
you know it jar jar
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Jarvis!
Hi Jarvis!
i'm sorry but "pellet gun kelly" sent me through the roof especially since I thought Danny was going to talk about MGK's emo girl song
I'm so glad I'm not the only one 😭😭 other people were talking about how terrible it was to compare him to MGK and i agreed as if I wasn't cackling at the joke for 3 minutes 💀 i thought it was gonna be about the emo girl song too lmao
I thought it was mgk in the thumbnail 😭😭😭
Yessssss
i wouldnt be surprised, MGK fuckin sucks fr 😭
Honestly mgk deserves to get bullied at this point
I know obviously this is directed at a very specific person, but that "You can't change their mind by overexplaining why you do something" is some really good advice I feel like I need to take to heart that I've never heard from anyone before.
I once tried defending a song artist that my friend said sucked and immediately when I started to defend the artist, she said, "I'm not in the mood" I was just making a claim and she was hating on me for no reason. I literally started crying afterward, trying to figure out what I did wrong.
@@DrawDrawDrawAnime1234 You don't have to justify your likes or interests to other people. If your friend thinks a song/artist you like sucks, that's okay and you shouldn't try to convince them that they're wrong; they have a right to have an opinion. Now if they're actively trying to put you down by making fun of your tastes or trying to seem superior, the best thing you can do is not give a f. Do YOU like it? Then what matters what your friend thinks? You can live your life trying to justify all your tastes to bitter people who find pleasure in hating on things, or you can just ignore them and keep on gleefully consuming your interests, no matter how "objectively bad" or "good" they are
I think this guy’s song isn’t bad but I wouldn’t say it’s good either. It could use some work but it definitely doesn’t deserve the amount of hate it has been receiving.
I completely agree, I was thinking that but didn’t know how to put it into words
@@s0up_1223 understandable. I have that problem a lot. ;w;
literally just sounds like basic pop punk. Like someone who wants to make it but never really studies the genre. Just throws some cliche lyrics over 2-3 chords.
Bro just needs to follow his own mind and creativity.
@@dirtysploof5890 Exactly. His music isn’t necessarily bad, he just needs to branch out on the chords and music and get a little more creative with his lyrics.
@@SnowLily123 Also, this genre just may not be for someone like him. The whole point of punk imo is totally not giving a fuck, it doesnt even have to be good sounding music necessarily (im talking more about noise groups). You just need the energy and individuality
Honestly, I think 99% of the hate happened because he started the tiktok by saying "did I just write the next emo punk anthem?" or whatever. The hive mind had already sharpened their knives before he sang the first note.
I really like this comment.
Not to sound old fashioned, but it really goes to show how important first introductions are.
Poor guy just made some bad decisions when it came to the promotion of his music.
Not gonna lie, when I read “did I just write the next emo punk anthem?” I did feel like an immediate denial coming. His song would have had to be amazing to live up to that.
I agree but I think if he'd have dropped the most insane fire anyone had ever heard people might've actually been into it.
I have seen people do that kind of thing and then show me something awesome and I've been excited to give credit where it's due. I think, like another comment said, it's about the amount of hype he built for such a low quality song. The song itself isn't even the worst in the world. It's not great and I don't enjoy it but some of the melodic intervals are at least interesting and I could see someone liking it. But he started off being kind of annoying with that question and then didn't shock people with the high quality of it lol
It's kinda like those fake ads with the "99% of people can't put a circle into a circle hole"
Yea I agree. Before I even heard it was absolutely expecting to dislike the song. It just feels a bit arrogant to claim smth like that, whether its true or not.
As a former emo teenager, now emo adult, this dude looks and sounds like he was frozen inside a hot topic since 2004 and someone accidentally thawed him out
i totally agree. that baggy ass bandana around his neck lol
Would make a great movie
That’s giving him too much credit
@@rooty I'd watch it
Lmaooo it definitely takes me back to the mid 2000s
This is sad. He is so proud of his song and people are bullying him. It takes a long time and a lot of experience to learn how to present yourself online. He didn't do anything wrong, he just didn't present himself well.
Saying you made "the next anthem" is super arrogant. I don't blame people for reacting negatively. If he just posted the song with comment no one would have cared
@@sophitiaofhyrule a lil arrogance doesn't mean they deserve hate, harassment etc
@@heavenonearth3316 doesnt mean they deserve it, but you have to be aware that off arrogant and cocky, people are going to dislike you immediately, and that shapes the way people will interact with your brand/product. because thats what this is, he is posting as an artist, as a musician rather than a regular person and that can come with heavy and harsh criticism.
@@womankisserjermaluvr Was that straight criticism or straight up bullying?
@@candylide unhelpful criticism, but criticism nonetheless. i can say "this fuckin sucks" and thats criticism. "this sounds terrible" "would be better on mute" its all harsh, pretty mean criticism. doesnt have to be a detailed breakdown of that makes it bad
I think one of the big things is his declaration that it's going to be successful before playing that. That primes your alt crowd to immediately be suspicious. The song isn't actually bad, it's just not a hit.
Yeah, especially with the alt crowd, theres often some innate importance placed on the fact that the music doesnt "exist to be popular". That's not a good thing, thats not a bad thing, it just is. Sometimes you end up with a bunch of people "gatekeeping" their favorite bands because they don't want them to get mainstream, but I think at it's core it's about wanting music to be kind of its own and authentic. Marketing a song to that community by going "this is gonna be a HIT!" is not exactly thought out..
“He’s got a poster of the Joker in his room?” Cut to Danny with an inhaler in the background
That's a glass of milk
@@imphie Nope, it's definitely an inhaler. It's a parody of the old woman with inhaler poster that a lot of UA-camrs used to have (for example MrBeast).
He talks about the original poster in "The weird side of Amazon 2" and he talks about the fact people thinks he's drinking milk in "redecorating my office"
Bro THE FUUUCK THATS AN INHALER???? BITCH I THOUGH THAT WAS A GLASS OF MIIILLLK WTFFFFFFF
@@imphie i thought it was at first but no it's not
I so thought it was a glass of milk and yesterday I realized it wasn’t 😭😭😭
This guy isn't even 2% as cringy as the shit we used to pass off as cool in the MySpace era
😭😭😭not the myspace
Brokencyde 4 lyf3
@@Aldoisunhinged ughhh nooo i can't believe you reminded me of brokencyde lmao
@@Aldoisunhinged omg. Yessss
@@illmatixx_5346 hoo boy
for anyone wondering where hes at now, hes actually gotten better
Thank you bro
"Wouldn't wanna introduce young people to pop punk" being said sarcastically is actually the peak of comedy, considering the reputation pop punk bands actually get when it comes to young people
i really appreciate how danny gives so much empathy to people he covers. the earnest advice is really refreshing to see rather than just plainly making fun of someone
this!!!!!!! it’s so refreshing
i dont, its boring af
@@ketaminepoptarts give
If only nickisnotgreen did the same 🤦🏽♂️
@@ketaminepoptarts it's boring to be empathetic? what 😭💀
The music mostly isn't that bad, it's the framing of "this is the next big thing" combined with the quirky overexagerated acting and aesthetic (like how there are 5 different sound effects when he starts explaining how lyrics work) that make this unlikeable. It gives off the vibe of trying waaaaaaaay too hard and the over the top acting/expressions feel like a kids TV show
Honestly I think you've hit the nail on the head! That's exactly what it is.
Fr, you're completely right. He reminds me of if i never got out of my choker phase in middle school, that's how I'd look as an adult 😂
yess this is definitely what it is
Everyone is trying to go viral/get their 15 seconds of fame, it's a product of our current economy. I don't know how long he's been on social media or how much it takes up of his life but when you see the same thing over and over again it's hard not to join in.
who cares though, leave the guy alone
It's like someone showing off a piece of art they've just finished with the caption of "So uh, did I just make the next Mona Lisa or what!"
It does not matter how good the art is, there's no way it can live up to that sort of comparison and people are more likely to disagree just because it comes of as pretentious, no matter whether they would've liked it otherwise.
"Shirt" and "shit" is a slant rhyme. An example of a perfect rhyme is "shirt" and "skirt". Thank you for coming to my TED talk (probably from 9th grade English)
this video is the beginning of Danny's arc as a "social media dad." years from now, when hundreds of thousands of people are regularly seeking social media advice from Danny, they'll look back on this video as the inception of an era.
Damn I think you're right
any day now Danny is going to start referring to people as 'sport' and making terrible puns.
Thats actually kinda tight
😂👏👏👏😂
@@ehernandez523 always has been.
I feel that starting that tiktok with “is this the next emo anthem” was the biggest mistake. Any bold statements like that and the like of “if you like MCR you’ll love my band” are destined to not work with the emo crowd. The alternative scene was born out of not liking what everyone else likes, not being who everyone else is, by not fitting in so making it obvious that we don’t fit in. Tell us you made a song you think we might enjoy, that represents your view on the scene. That’ll get way more positive attention.
Sure people can be pricks and you’ll never escape the negative comments but I believe there would be way less if it was done a different way
Calling it "emo punk" was stupid too lol. It was neither. It just pop radio rock with Hot Topic apparel.
Doesn't mean it can't be good but it is a bad idea to not even know what genre you made.
I totally agree with you, on a personal level also because my music taste is so specific, I’ll like one band but not the one that sounds super similar because, to me it’s the song that matters and if I like it, I might like your band, but maybe not
it also sets expectations, which u dont wanna do right off the bat cause ur kinda just setting urself up
This guy needs to learn you dont write an emo song.
You write a song.
And if you're lucky it becomes an emo song.
I agree with you so much on that. Also, MCR slaps. :)
I love the legitimate criticism and advice you give him. It's good advice for anyone who wants to start making content as well. You're always so respectful to people as well, even when they really do deserve the criticism. I look up to you so much as someone who wants to be a creator, and also just as someone who wants to be a good person. Thanks, Danny.
"pellet gun kelly" had me rolling 🤣
*NED KELLY?? IS THAT YOU??*
Same😭
Bro it took me way too damn long to get that cus im slow but had me dyin lmao
The Hate for Andy was Unnecessary but Pellet Gun Kelly was Genuinely funny
LMFAO
"Did I just reach meme status?" "Did I just compose the new emo anthem?" He's a bit too ahead of himself.. When I see people chase fame with even a hint of desperation it always makes me uncomfortable
hes always been like that. thinks hes gods gift to the world and to women.
hes probably desperate to make it on tiktok cause no one in town will book him cause of him being an enormous creep
Chasing a high leaves you crashing and burning
It's good chasing dreams, it's also good to stay humble
That is ABSOLUTELY the cause of the most hateful comments. Otherwise he'd probably mostly get ignored for making a mediocre song.
so Jvke xd. That guy reposts nothing but his one song in super similar skits xd
His music is pretty much on par with older “generic” emo music lol. I can 100% imagine early 2000’s emo and scene kids rocking out to this
Also GODDAMN the acoustic version genuinely is something I’d listen to, he’s skilled on the guitar
his music isn’t even that awful. he just needs to reach the audience that listens to bowling for soup outside of the phineas and ferb theme /srs
I've actually unfollowed some people before because they wouldn't stop responding to their haters in a way that just felt like a huge waste of time and energy. I think you're spot on in saying that a creator like this can't spread a message of not caring about what others think while also trying to change people's minds. Also, I love the respectful tone of this video - that's something I love about your commentary. Entertaining, but always pretty fair and never needlessly mean.
I totally get why you would unfollow them bc like as a fan it also kind of sucks to constantly see someone responding to haters rather than responding to fan/followers or even just making content that made you get followers in the first place
Charlie xcx tease😭
this is danny’s video. why are the top comments well structured and not just “i ate 12 pies :)”
"Entertaining, but always pretty fair and never needlessly mean." Can we refer to the Drew Gooden, Danny Gonzalez, Eddy Burback commentary era as the post-Leafy era?
@@Norogoth I love all those folks, glad comedy commentary has become a lot more constructive and kind
"I made this song for young people"
"... When we were young"
What age are these kids being nostalgic for?
Oh you're right!!XD
Maybe because it mentions princes and princesses the imagined ages are primary school ages? That would make it make more sense because if the song's about how life isn't as great as it was during childhood being a young person just starting to grow up (I'm assuming his audience includes teenagers) is the time during which a lot of people start to learn more about the grey areas of the world and how nothing is so cookie-cutter and great as you once thought it to be.
The womb
Young people can be nostalgic yk XD
Being 12 and listening to Paramore on the school bus /gen
(Source: That was me except it was Three Days Grace)
I am seriously 14 years old and I occasionally look back at kindergarten and elementary school as "the good old days" with nostalgia💀
danny's hair looks so good in this video fr
I listen to pop punk frequently, and IMO this song is OK at best, but I think the visuals are where it really falls apart. If you've ever seen a video by Finn McKenty (The Punkrock MBA) you know how important he thinks the projected personality, or "star power", of the frontman of a band is, and I tend to agree with that. This is a one-man-band (as far as I can tell), which makes his presentation even more important when he decides to include himself in the video(s). To me he comes off as disingenuous in the newer videos (including the music video), like he's doing a persona, and the performance feels both forced and understated somehow, like he doesn't quite dare to go all in, because it's not really who he is. (The half assed dance in the "happy pop-break" at 6:08 was especially painful to watch). In the older videos he comes off as more genuine, and even though the music isn't necessarily better, it's at least more pleasant to watch. I get making a flashy video and trying to stand out, but people can smell bullshit from a mile away. The lyrics also seem to be impersonaI, and to me they come off more like he's used a "pop punk lyric formula" rather than write something meaningful himself. I'm not saying this to be mean to the guy, it's just my take on the matter. I do hope he keeps at it and tries to improve, and that he can learn to project himself more genuinely in the process.
15 minutes of Danny trying to defend a random dude on Tik Tok while cringing.
we love to see it!
@@dinoalien6213 Yes we do
Spoilers girl! Wth?
@@natethenub6595 how is this a spoiler
@@KingOfGaymes pretty sure they’re joking
I think the reason he's getting way more hate than he should is cause he's targetting a subculture that's really big on gatekeeping (coming from someone who was on the receiving end).
I haven't visited his profile but I'm honestly so sure that a lot of the people hating on him are the same people that would ask you to name three songs if they saw you wearing a shirt from a rock band
Edit: didn't expect a lot of people to agree with me lmao
Yeah, especially after the whole Tramp Stamp debacle, it's almost a pastime for people to gatekeep punk rock
I think it's weird how I see people go for the fashion specifically when it comes to punk, and use "Disney channel" as like, their go to insult. What if he (and others like him) just genuinely like that take on the style? I don't get why it's deemed like, "not punk enough".
He also called it an emo anthem, basically asking to be dunked on
@@TenderNoodle my thoughts exactly
@@TenderNoodle Exactly. Although I don't think he deserved most of the hate he got, he kinda did this to himself lol
This is literally the most wholesome and sweet and caring Danny has *ever* been
“Pellet gun Kelly” is the most amazing thing I’ve hear in my entire existence of being
I used to identify as a weirdo, until I was informed the word I was looking for is autistic.
Yo, same!
Same bro
Ayyy autism gang!
SAME
Hey used to think I was just weird and then I found out half of the reason why I act strange is because of my autism
Danny being honest but not needlessly cruel is such a nice thing to see, I feel like a lot of people who focus on commentary try too hard to justify their criticism instead of keeping a fair balance and end up being a bit excessive in an attempt to overcompensate. Good video, hopefully this dude can learn from it.
(I think the most important thing to learn from these days is the point about giving people a reaction. Even smaller artists I follow run into this problem where they try to be accommodating and instead people use it as opportunity to dogpile accusations or guilt them into only creating content that person wants to see.)
Yeah some commentary channels now felt like they are bullying people even though they didn't do anything bad. They kinda morph into a tea channel too
@@Arichiiii A lot also go “Now don’t go bully this guy!” and then proceed to bully them in the video
I first heard what he said as "did I just create the new email anthem?"
Bro I heard emote
The song isn’t bad, he’s just too confident
Wouldnt go that far
He's too confident and I agree people should back off on him, but the song is dogshit lmao. It's pretty bad man.
Maybe it isn’t THAT bad lol
the song is bad and he's too confident
Lately I feel like Danny has been making content pretty often and regular and I appreciate that. Thank you Danny Gonzalez. We are Greg!
I thought this was drew gooden?
@@KoiMan_ strange I thought this was kurtis 🤨
@@KoiMan_ I thought this was nick is not green?
Greggity Greggity Greg
@@KoiMan_ not Danny Gonzalez this is
2 Danny 2 furious
I was really heavy in the pop punk scene in high school and this guy reminds me of a lot of the people I used to hang out with. The internal conflict of not caring about fitting in with the mainstream and desperately wanting the approval of the pop punk/emo community is a huge part of the culture and if you're not immediately beloved and accepted within the community, it's easy to fall into this sort of cringe defensiveness. I feel like that's a little true for every creator, but it's a huge issue in the pop punk community / music scene
this is really interesting, and it makes so much sense
Exactly!
I don’t know specifically about pop punk but I’ve seen this a lot too with other groups and made me feel bad for him. I’m sure he hoped he would be able to fit into this niche group he wanted to be a part of (maybe after not feeling accepted by the majority) but he ended up being treated like an outsider. Hopefully something good will come of this for him.
THIS. Punk is supposed to be about bucking the mainstream, being weird and coming as you are, but then within THAT group you have to conform to what everyone agrees is acceptable weirdness or you become even more hated.
It’s pretty messed up. Realizing you don’t fit into the norm, thinking you might have found a group of people who feel the same as you, finally letting your guard down and exposing your weirdness to that group - only to then be told you’re the wrong kind of weird.. fuck man.
@@storey662 I'm not crying! It's just allergies 😭
tiktok acts like he’s cringey for being emo/punk when they have completely changed the definition of those things
Tiktok literally ruined the subculture that pretty much describes me, when it comes to music. I don’t think they even know what ‘Emo’ subcultures really are anymore.
One person says something on tiktok and then everyone else follows along, tiktok is just twitter with little kids who think they control people
I agree with that. There are some people who like that subculture. Just hating on it doesn’t help. Most of TikTok claims that they want to be “open and nice and kind” but then they’re hating on stuff people can actually enjoy. (Also yes I know this is 7mo late, just saw the comment and wanted to agree)
tiktok killed goth
Tiktok isn't the only space music is in. With music like this the small scene is where you want. if you live in a college town or like a big city there's probably a pretty decent underground scene.
I wanna kiss your profile picture
i don't think he would have gotten as much hate if he hadn't declared the song "the next emo anthem." That stuff needs to happen naturally and agreed on by the community as a whole, this is just like the Trampstamps trying to prove they deserve punk clout
Omfg I forgot about them
Except ok that’s true but who tf cares about some guy releasing some bad song…. Completely unnecessary to be POSs about it
Okay but who even considers themselves emo now. Isn’t it all e-girls/boys and shit? Goth maybe, that sure stuck, but I don’t think anyone considers emo to be a thing anymore. Like I just mean who is around to give a crap what this one Tiktoker calls his song? No hate to anyone who still calls themselves emo, I just thought it was an outdated subculture now.
Tbh I'm annoy about him claiming it's "the next emo anthem" like dude doesn't even have a fan base yet and he seems to make such a huge claim. Ofc people are gonna have insanely high expectations and if his brave enough to make such bold claim he should be brave enough to take the hate/criticism it gets. Especially compare to how good actual "emo anthem" are like mother mother, choke, set it off, etc compare to his songs. He wants to be unique but it sounds like a mess, the point of a good song isn't to be unique it's to sound good. If it's main goal is just to stand out then it's not gonna be good. Jack stauber one example of a unique song that sounds good
@@adrenalineactivate just cause it irrates you he proclaimed it the next anthem doesn't mean he deserves the hate 😭
i really respect danny for actually trying to understand this guy and help him, not just completely hating on him like everone else. this is one of the reasons you're my favorite youtuber!
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@@totallynotaturtle._.5285 😐
@@krisward. 😐
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I like how Danny isn’t rude with his constructive criticism he genuinely tries to help the person.
WE MAKIN IT OUT OF 2007 HOT TOPIC WITH THIS ONE🔥💯💯🔥🥶🔥
imagine this guy is actually Danny and he's been doing this for six years 💀💀 the dedication that would take
And he nearly got away with it
it is interesting that the guy’s name is Anndy with two ns and it’s an anagram of Danny
Lmaoo Imagine if he really made this fake commentary video to deepen the illusion
Great, constructive vid! I was surprised no one brought it up in the TikTok comments, but the song clip he’s using is eerily similar to the chorus of ”Kings & Queens” by Thirty Seconds To Mars, with ”Kings & Queens” being changed to ”princes & princesses”. Even if that’s a reference on purpose it’s too close for comfort. As you said, the rest of the song is also better! He’s got great potential for sure.
thank you roomie
The song is really cheesy and would make eight yo me want to vomit but it is fine as long as the next one is better and not worse.
Yes! I couldn't get the thought of his song sounding so familiar to Kings & Queens out of my head, glad I'm not the only one!
Roomie! I do agree though!
Roomie! Uh ooohh plagiarism
"This song slaps on mute" was noticeably funny
7:43 yeah. that’s tik tok for ya
Man even if he is just doing satire or a parody, he’s got so much more passion and effort than 90% of anyone else on Tik Tok. The girl who duetted with him literally just sat with her phone right up to her face and said “no”.
No effort or talent to do that. Just being really rude for no reason. I respect this guy
literally there's people with 0 talent and a lack of passion for what they do (cough, lil huddy) that go to huge festivals just because some 12 year olds liked them and thought they were hot. like that's the majority of what tiktok "famous" people have - and then there's the people who may not be that skilled but give a crap about what they do and they're bullied endlessly because their first attempt wasn't good
Even then, as a huge pop punk fan and emo kid since 2009, his music was FUN! That's what should matter! Plus I think that since "scene" died out, none of the TikTok Teens recognize that his music is a mix of scene and pop punk - scene being known for being ridiculous and, again, fun
Fr- TikTok is full of some of the laziest content I’ve seen- to be fair tho it originated from Musical.ly
I agree. It’s really sad and unfair that her 3 second long video is getting thousands more likes than his which actually could have taken him hours/days/ weeks to work on. Tik tok praises apathy and mental weakness. I’m so worried about this generation.
yeah. bet 90% of the people parroting the same baseline insults have never picked up an instrument in their lives. not saying you need to be a trained musician to differentiate good and bad music, but it is ironic that a bunch of non musicians think they have the authority to gatekeep music.
I think he would be killing it in the 2010's, the skits felt like early youtube
A little cringey but kind of charming, at least i think that
He wouldnt be tho, the song still sucks
i think so too like he reminds me so much of 2010-2015 youtube
@@Gabe413 which is exactly why he would've been big in the 2010s
@@Gabe413 I mean Pitbull happened
I feel like if he sat down and really thought about it he could write a decent song. My main problem with this song is that you can tell he is trying way too hard to sound emo while singing. Which is why the acoustic version sounded better imo.
Danny and Drew are the prince and princess of the glory days.
I know this video is old, but I think the thing with Andy is he can either make music for the community, or make music for himself and build a community around that. There's nothing wrong with either of those routes, as long as you're enjoying it. But Andy is trying to make music for himself and push that music onto the community, and it's clearly not working out. One thing I think might help is cover songs? It helps you get a better grasp of the instruments and singing styles and what you like versus what other people like.
So his hook of "we were the princes and princesses" sounds incredibly similar melodically to the *30STM* song Kings and Queens containing the lyrics "We were the kings and queens..." I am 100% confident he's a parody cause that's too on the nose
Edit: Either that or he's drawing WAY too much inspiration from an 11 year old song lol
maybe the joke is that they are the same band, but that song is from 30stm, not mcr
I bet there’s more melody and lyrical similarities in his song lmao.
omg are you talking about that 30 seconds to mars song?? I was thinking the same thing 😭
@@crg1292 omfg I didn't even realize I did that, Wish I could take credit for that 🤣
@@shelbmathews I was! Accidentally said MCR lol
danny should write the next emo anthem called, “my wife died in afghanistan but i’m still rocking”
i was gonna say wrong person but then i remembered i am the dumb one 😔
Multilayer joke
@Wow i’m so glad
Tbh my biggest petty gripe is that his whole vibe & aesthetic is way more scene than emo :/
it’s literally a rip off of kings and queens by 30 seconds to mars
I like this video so much. Just the message of being more tolerate to people trying to express themselves through their art and Danny’s support to this dude, who btw doesn’t seem to be a bad person, is just nice and cheerful. Thank you
Same! I like places with this ambiance where everyone is encouraged to flourish and it's cool that his videos are both oasis in places that can be more aggressive, and showing us ways to consider things that we can use to expand the vibe around us.
AMEN
agreed! i really appreciate danny's tone in this video. he pokes fun but commends the guy for expressing himself and offers helpful advice/critiques, while also pointing out how wrong the crowd is for being SUPER unnecessarily mean. i also love that he points out the irony in the generic responses LOL
White women and their consequences...
Tolerant*
Watching again this a few months later, and I just wanna let everyone know that Greg did a great job of filling Andy's comments with positivity and support, and the Greg army is strangling out the hateful comments. Im proud of you Greg.
How is Andy now? Is his music better? I really hope he kept with the acoustic version I thought it was a lot better
@@snakeeatingapringle0 he has a UA-cam channel. It’s called Anndy Negative I think.
I’m glad, it’s always great to see people boost others up. It’s something we need a lot more of
Greg
thanks greg we try our best :)
I can’t believe the unrelease this comments are still going on everywhere on TikTok it makes me want to delete the internet as a whole
1:23 we were raised on a tree ✊️😔
Honestly I really feel bad for this guy. He seems to really be proud of the art he puts out there and I can totally respect that. As a very small artist myself, I know how fucking heartbreaking it'd be to put something out there that you're really proud of only to get that level of hate. It's honestly a pretty scary thought, and I really hope it's something that never happens to me.
Yes. This exactly. Aww so sad
after Danny posted this video he got a bunch of love ,he made a response thanking Danny’s audience,so that good
Right.. Being an artist who had formal education and been around artists (beginners and professional when I'm lucky- and of course having your works criticized) ik how heartbreaking it is when your art was being shitted on. Which is why I like to fond good things even on art thats not my taste, or even on newer beginner artists. Thats what makes them go forward and be better, if the creator is neutral, or kind, just find something to make them feel proud of their works, after all, it still takes a lot of time, and there are tons of love poured into it. Effort and love is part of being an artist
The amount of hate he got was absolutely insane. I’m surprised he’s managing to get past it. That would definitely absolutely destroy me. I’m very sensitive and even one rude comment makes me upset so nevermind thousands. I feel bad for him and I hope he’s doing ok.
SAME if I got a massively bad reaction reaction to a song I was really excited about it'd crush me
To be honest I reckon he'd do realllyyy fucking well in the hyperpop genre, he has the visual aesthetic, the voice, pretty much everything.
Oh fucking absolutely. People who unironically listen to 100 gecks would jam to this in a more hyperpop style.
I think I'm people.
Seriously though, I think shooting for pop punk wasn't what he should have went for. Maybe some sort of hybrid of the two?? hyperpop punk???
@@autopsyturvy hyperpunk?
@@Starburst_Dreams i would kill for hyperpuunk, like imagine a mad point between like greenday and any hyper pop artist
What about his super early 2000’s punk guitar riffs make you think he would do well in heavy auto tuned hyperpop. Y’all gotta stop with the fake nice shit hah this dude isn’t like some horrible musician but he’s just an average dude who likes to make music he grew up on. “He would do reeeeeally fucking well in the hyperpop genre” hahahahahha man I wanna puke reading that hahahaha ugh go to sleep after that bullshit cucky Danny simp comment
@@clare5688 im willing this into existence
8:42 bro sounds like young Sheldon 💀
I checked his channel now. He’s pretty successful and all of the comments are good. He clearly listened to this, and his music is also better. All it takes to make someone successful is Danny and the Greg army.
Never heard about this until now and I just listened to it. It sounds like Kings and Queens by 30 Seconds to Mars if it were watered down, filtered to the bare bones of lyrical writing, and also sung by Shane Dawson. In fact the choruses almost seems identical in melody if you listen to them multiple times.
Which isn’t bad per se, he just needs to develop a bit more of his own sound that fits his vocals in a better way.
Lol just seeing this comment! I felt like no one else noticed the similarities to Thirty Seconds to Mars’ song. Glad to know I’m not the only one who caught that lol.
100% right.
I was looking to see if anyone else thought the same! Cos I know I have Kings and Queens stuck in my head 🙃
I just commented the same thing!!! Glad it's not just me.
I was just about to comment saying the same thing, especially the "We are the princes and princesses of..." being almost exactly the same as Thirty Seconds to Mars' "We are the kings and queens of..." down to having nearly the same melody. Pretty sure that was a big part of his downfall, making a song trying to emulate an another already popular song (even if he didn't consciously mean to) instead of making music that was truly "his".
Its... weirdly kind of nice that a huge UA-camr like Danny just randomly takes the time to make a video giving advice to a small creator on TicTok
I have the answer... Anndy is an anagram of DANNY! DANNY LITERALLY DID THE ANAGRAM THING BEFORE; WE KNOW ITS YOU DANNY!
@@PlatonicPluto you have a point tho
1 year later and the poor dude is still getting hated on on tiktok even though his music really isn’t that bad. Ppl just don’t like things that are different unfortunately. And of course his marketing isn’t top notch so it makes it even easier for people to find things to make fun of
I also genuinely don't think a lot of the people seeing and commenting on his videos about how bad things are really know or like punk or pop punk. Pop punk as a genre is very satirical and campy. Also trying to argue objective goodness and badness in punk is kind of against the essence of what punk is. Is it the best song no but like it is very much pop punk and not as far off from old pop punk stuff than a lot of people might think.
As someone who was and still sort of is a part of the alt community it doesn’t surprise me how harsh people are being. The alt community is one of the rudest most gatekeeper communities which is why I’ve separated myself from it for the most part.
Same! The community is so toxic and rude
This. The alt community is so awful to each other despite claiming they are super accepting to individuals and outsiders yet you still have to fit into these cliques and niches theyve created.
ok ima be all over this comment thread saying this guy deserved it. he lives in my city and hes the biggest gatekeepy POS and is known to be super predatory with women
yeah, on one hand there are a lot of people calling themselves "goth" or "emo" just to seem cool without actually being in the subcultures, but on the other hand the amount of gatekeeping and classism in the community is disproportionately bad compared to that. people act like if you dont own at least one pair of demonias you're not alternative and its dumb.
bro i tried to join the alt community and they were so violently racist 😭😭
"Unrelease this" cracked me up (the first time), but if I put out some art and got that I think I'd yeet myself out of a plane. I don't think a lot of people think about how disproportionate it is to rag on him this hard for so little. They just saw him feeling himself and his song and decided to knock him down. ALSO. The culture of just ruthlessly knocking on people or cringing at them is so exhaustingly negative and it's also like... discouraging anyone from trying things or sharing them if they can't be instantly popular or monetized or perfect beyond reproach. Very cool to see a more down to earth and chill commentary
i think we can all agree that a lot of that is 1.) hive mind behavior and 2.) people are so disconnected and hide behind the anonymity of the internet that they just say whatever they want without real commentary.
100% agree
The response did go pretty insane with everything, but I do think that him starting out the original song with "did I just write the next emo anthem" was truly jumping the gun to the point of no return. He didn't deserve to be completely hated on, but I don't disagree with the comments that sort of poke fun at the fact that it isn't very good.
Fr, like it’s not fantastic but the amount of people hating him are so weird
If I had released I song I was really proud of and then got a shit ton of hate for it like him I would honestly felt so terrible. Like props on him for not letting it get to him too much. I think it would of definitely made me seriously depressed and I would of cried a lot. Like there was so much rude comments at him, it’s insane. And just because they didn’t like his song?
great value TX2 😭
That's the problem with alt ppl. Mainly online ones, say you're goth on tiktok and Ur not trad u will be bullied heavily.
i think the biggest problem with the guy's music is he seems like a rhythm guitarist, the type that learned music through singing over acoustic guitar. which is great! but you cant always just take something that sounds good with acoustic guitar and vocals, slam it out on electric, and then sing louder and hope it works. ill bet you ANYTHING he composes on acoustic guitar, relying on his more practiced skills. i do that too, but it's not exactly easy to write electric guitar pieces with an acoustic instrument.
that acoustic ballad version of the song is great because the guitar and vocals work together to create a flow. in the electric one, hes using power chords, and longer notes, and he doesnt change the vocals. it just creates an awkward mismatch and it makes it sound like he's singing off tempo.
just one notch better at making music, like danny said, and this guy would have it in the bag! he's just missing the mark a little bit on the genre and on a consistent genre, instrument to instrument.
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I think you got it!
Good thing he is still playing music and getting better instead of letting the haters get to him
Ohhh interesting
as someone who also plays guitar and likes rock music, you literally managed to put into words what I wouldn't have been able to say myself otherwise
I've grown up on commentary youtube, and honestly, I am so happy it's taking such a positive and lighthearted turn as we all get a little older. I think the community has grown with the genre and this vid is a really good example of how you can be funny while not being mean.
Right! I think a lot of people have seen how soul sucking and damaging the dog piles and "joking" insults can be, and are just coming to a more empathetic place where the vibe is like... you do you, man. I think a lot of people didn't like what they were becoming either. The toxicity also means no one really feels safe expressing themselves or sharing or growing, so it's also suffocating and discouraging to be around.
Danny's specialty. Some other UA-camrs aren't as good at it as him
Song 1: I listen to music like that day to day, but it's not for me. I wouldn't like skip it maybe unless it's too long but like they don't need to hate and he really seems like a nice person
I fell asleep watching Danny and woke at 3 am to 6:09 and the nightmare on the screen. Slammed paused right as Danny said, "What tf?" as I too went wtf??? Why that shit scared me and I couldn't go back to sleep for like 10 minutes. 😂
i want you to know i just imagined waking up to THAT with zero context and laughed for a solid 10 minutes thank you
@@sluhn9837 I haven't revisited this video since I left this comment because I was truly scarred and you have reminded me of my trauma and laugh at it. Based, tbh. LMAO.
I feel like if he had released this 10/15 years ago, he would have had a much bigger fan base because it's not so out of place for that time period as it is now. Like it's not awful, it's just not as good as the hype he tried to create which is part of why people are reacting negatively. I'm sure if Andy kept working on his style he'd eventually find more of an audience that digs it
Yeah, I could see someone singing this in a disney movie back when camp rock and HSM were big.
This is a well meaning comment and I don't want to be apart of a crowd that wants to tear some one down for his art but I really don't think this song would fit in that well back then either.
Yeah, I could see this guy getting popular in 2012ish, and based on his apparent age and aesthetic, I have to assume that's the time period that had the most impact on him. Problem is, it seems like he just froze in that era.
This would not fit in with pop punk/emo 10-15 years ago. This song is a quintessential example as to why modern pop punk isn't anywhere close to being as good as pop punk in the 90s/2000's.
its because the charm of this kind of music is BECAUSE its outdated. its the classic and for its time it was big!
(this isnt hateful btw just what i think is the reason)
The biggest mistake he could've ever done was say "Did I make the newest emo anthem?" because it immediately got himself to be compared to the likes of MCR or PaTD and have his starting song be compared to The Black Parade, which... No, nothing can really be compared to that album nor its most infamous song. It's not just because the song feels like it's going off of scene music rather than emo punk rock, it's also because it's not... unique? Or out there, in terms of the emo nor scene genres.
I think he definitely has opportunity. If he were to go back to his laid-back and grounded self and made his own style, I think he'll be able to find his own community. I will say, though, TikTok is very prone to harassing people and repeating jokes that aren't funny after the first time. I'm not surprised that happened.
welcome to the black parade will always be the Emo anthem. I love mcr.
Ronald is proud of you all for being nice to Andy. You will not meet Ronald's fury
just start the video with the song. like could you imagine if a youtuber’s intro was
“did i just make the best video ever??”
I think a big part is that he’s pushing the one song as if he’s an established artist with a new single, as opposed to an enthusiastic unsigned artist.
If he released TikToks about his process of writing and recording *other* songs, it wouldn’t come across as so defensive, and he could actually seem to progress as a creator.
Going for a “hey, what do you think of this new chorus/lyric/idea” would allow for him to react to feedback, as opposed to spending his time trying to argue about the qualities of his finished song.
This is great advice!
that's actually a great advice! if he go to that road at least he can get more positive engagement from his audience
That’s actually really great advice.
the biggest mistake was the "did i just make the new emo anthem?", that immediately raises the standards of what to come next and by failing to live up to those expectations hes bound to get a more of a negative response than if he hadnt done that
agreed
It's also slightly obnoxious and poises people into hating it before he's even started.
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plus asking that warrants hateful answers because they were asked to comment on the song
Like, you as the song writer do not get to decide if it becomes an anthem. That's up to the listener.
“WHO IS THAT”
“That’s promotion Andy😀”
the "we wanna have a good time" part IM DYING
“He has a poster of the joker? Getting kinda hard to defend you my man”
*Danny says as he sits in front of a poster of himself using an inhaler*
Danny has perfect taste
Holy sh*t I always thought that was him drinking milk
@@charlieinthebox2422 me too. My mind has been opened
He’s not drinking milk!!???
You guys should watch Danny's videos about the weird side of Amazon XD
Ugh. I’m so torn. On the one hand, I definitely feel bad for the dude because assholes on the internet _love_ to take shit waaaay too far. And he most certainly hasn’t done anything to deserve *any* genuine hate.
_However,_ dude straight up *asked* everyone if he’d written a classic. Which is a _hella_ bold move. (Especially considering, in _my personal_ opinion, the song’s pretty rough.) So, yeah, he kinda got what he asked for? (A bit too much to the extreme though, that’s for sure!)
Hopefully this guy sees Danny’s video (Which I’m *sure* that he will!) and takes his advice to heart as they’re some pretty solid pointers! Best of luck, my dude!
seriously, dude set himself up for failure. obviously he doesn’t deserve the excessive hate but he set expectations up way too high for a song that really doesn’t stand on its own stylistically? i feel like he has potential, but he needs room to grow before he can call any of his songs an anthem. i wish him the best of luck, though.
He doesn’t even seem old enough to be saying he was in any way part of these “glory days” he’s like 23 at the most which would mean he was single digit age at the time emo and pop punk were at their peak in the 2000s.
Those commentors didn't take it too far. They weren't harassing or making fun of him personally, they were just saying stuff like, "Dude, take this trash." Which is the most run of the mill internet comment.
I agree. People always find the next 'town fool' to throw tomatoes at, and while his music isn't really all that good, some people need to be a little objective about it too. It's not the worst thing in the world lol
@@tupaclives5848 he looks kinda old to me tbh. like late 20s. especially if he worked as a bartender 6 years ago, meaning if he was in his early 20s he'd be like 16-18 then lmao.
2:02 yeah, i like korny music
(korn is actually ruining my life help)
Every time my social anxiety makes me believe that everybody hates me, I just look at people like this on the internet and how people react to them. It's like therapy, but solely relying on other people's misery
I'm so glad Danny didn't just blindly roast this dude like everyone else. Sure, this song is not very good, but it's not THAT bad. Besides, we all gotta start somewhere, and it actually seems he put some effort into it.
I wish i could laugh react this comment
@@britishcig5462 you can type it out. I allow it.
well said 👍
LMAO
Hitler started somewhere,doesn't mean the outcome was good
When musicians on TikTok start a video by saying “Did I just write the next ______ anthem?” Or “Did I just make up a new genre?” They have practically invited everyone to viciously humble them. I cannot imagine a faster way to get everyone rooting against you
“Did I just write the worst song to ever exist and the government is now on their way to my house to arrest me for my crimes against humanity?” might be a little better
im eating orange peels
I’m gonna be honest, the song isn’t even that bad??? I don’t think its something I’d go out of my way to listen to, but I think saying that it is a bad/awful song is taking it too far.
Danny gave him a whole PR meeting for free.
LMAO 💀
"They're not talking to you, they're talking to themselves" is a pretty good assessment of internet hate
Not really
honestly taking this song and making it more of a "wake me up when September ends" vibe I'm sure more people would enjoy it. honestly the convoluted message he's giving after the fact sucks but if the good intent is there, then that all this guy needs.
Honestly i think that the only problem is that his voice just doesnt match the speed of the normal song and instead fits much better with a slower tone like when he played it with the acoustic guitar
The people who are saying this is Disney rock really needs to take a step back and realize this is literally exactly how the majority of pop punk songs are.. people are just nostalgic to old emo music and refuse to believe it’s not actually as heavy and dark as they remember it being when they were angsty teens
(Edit) Let me add there is nothing wrong with old emo/ pop punk music, it slaps but common guys it’s not far off from this…
bold of you to assume we stopped listening. sorry you missed the good stuff fam
I get what you mean but a lot of pop punk has more complex instrumentals at least, this sounds like a first draft of a pop punk song, also the way he's dressed is very costumey, similar to how tramp stamps tried to dress "punk" but failed miserably
you hit the nail right on the head with this comment👌🏾 and it doesn't make it bad music. If you still like that music, that is perfectly okay. I still like pop punk, not nearly as much as I used to.
@@sourgreendolly7685 super confused as to the part I mentioned that people stopped listening to it.. I think you misunderstood what I said because it literally has NOTHING to do with what you’re saying lmao
Yeah people like to pretend Blink 182 didn't release songs like first date and the rock show. Early and mid 2000s pop punk was fun, dare I say even goofy at times. It's why it's still usually in my most played playlists cause it makes me happy.