Richard Stallman: Apple fanboys are foolish people
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- Опубліковано 21 лют 2016
- Richard Stallman in Zurich: The father of the movement for free software about his rebellion against administrative slack at MIT, about "foolish" Apple aficionados, current fights against evil software companies and Swiss national hero William Tell, who could serve as a role model in the fight against an unjust copyright.
By the way: After the camera was turned off, Richard and I talked about some other topics: Ads in the web and his Free Software song. This part is available as audio recording here, just skip to minute 20:37: podcast.stadtfilter.ch/Digital... - Наука та технологія
every Stallman's interviewer should begin with:
"Let's establish a protocol: You raise your hand when you finish answering"
So basically, Stallman is imposing oppressive restrictions on people who are having a conversation with him.
@@hamobu LOL yeah you could call it Kicking🤣 he's right I started behaving like this because people try and put words in your mouth and guessing your points of view rather than just listening intently to them. Like Richard said don't guess just let me speak.
I don't think Richard Stallman likes to be interviewed, I think he likes to give speeches.
you probably right, he tends to get annoyed easy with interviews
By people who don't have a clue about how to interview, of course.
If he didn't like it he'd walk out. He didn't like the way a question/statement was being framed so he explained he grievences (which will probably end up helping the interviewer in the long run). Nothing wrong with that. I wish more interviewees would do the same.
i came here to be impressed by him but left feeling he was a complete dick - he is merely resentful of anything that takes away his control. imagine a world where anyone could sign in to anything with no control governing system access... RS's world is fine when he gets to play command line god, if he doesn't have those privileges it's 'fascism' in his mind... just a noisy control freak
His control is YOUR control. OUR control. You're also conflating his views of the past which cannot OBVIOUSLY apply nowadays.
Holy shit is he really gonna hold that thing for an hour?
If you fap a lot when you are young....you carry on the power!
EMBEDONIX Haha thanks I just realized an hour for me is nothing lol
Unless it's running free software...
You would need to replace the proprietary firmware (BIOS) with free software too, to make Richard happy.
Stallman is extremely dominant and pushy, and brutally intolerant of interviewers, but we love him anyway.
"Steve jobs figured out a way to make computers that area jails to their users but make them so shiny that millions beg to be jailed."
Awesome quote!
I don't really see the jail on a Mac to be honest. Sure I cannot really recompile every part of the kernel but I can access and exchange pretty much any part above that should I have a reason for it. That is why stuff like Yabai is a thing. It can't really hide shit from you being a UNIX. That said, source code would be nice, but there is no jail just because I don't have it.
@@theharbingerofconflation the fact that you can't even fix your own hardware and no access to the source code is enough of a jail don't you think? I think the OP meant jail as in the "apple brand ecosystem". Many idiots think they buy apple and because it's pricy it must be good!
@@PsycosisIncarnated i just quoted the video. But i think that's one aspect of it.
@@PsycosisIncarnated The Ecosystem isn't a jail as you can replace any part of that and while Apple isn't exactly helpful I am and have been fixing all phones and Laptops of theirs in the family for years just fine. The right to repair should be enforced, I agree with that. But I don't need the source of their entire OS. I also don't buy into the idea that all proprietary software is harmful. RMS himself has in the past propagated the dual licensing approach so long as it suits him.
Richard is also a total control freak, with a history of killing projects funded by the FSF because they used a single proprietary driver (see Debian) or they are not maintained by someone who bows to him, see Savanna. Or or or. He's also still hung up "GNU/Linux" even Torvalds said it's a stupid term. I find all of his gatekeeping to be a jail.
@JonnySpeed you aren't so trackable if you're using a librebooted machine through tor. But oh yeah. Macs can't be librebooted at all can they? Also you're forgetting distributions like tails OS exist.
Why precisely is macos 10 years ahead to Linux? You're using Linux mint as I understand it. The stable Debian distribution. So why are you praising Mac? I don't understand lmao
"You're changing topics too fast and I haven't finished talking about this one." :-D
lol
Oh did he use that one again on this interview?
subject man, subject... topic is a proprietary word and it's harmful
@Peter Lustig A lot of modern code is completely redundant, garbage code.. How can writing code in "modern standard" be looked as an achievement or good.. Please write something better or btfo
@Peter Lustig He created GCC compiler dude...
a fucking compiler.
Pro tip: Mic stand
17:43 - apple talk
Sigurður Baldursson thanks but too late I watched the whole thing xD
47:05 - stomach talk
There is hope for humanity. :)
tysm
Thank you for saving me time by directing me to the part of the conversation i was solely interested in clicking on the vid.
Great interview. It's clear the interviewer wanted to have a conversation where both sides build on a topic via dialogue. Stallman was not willing to allow his message to be hacked in that way and the interviewer complied. It was a difficult situation well handled.
Great oafs from little icons grow.
just hold the mic and shut up - richard stallman
hahahaha
When is it?
LOL
Right - *nobody* has the right to interrupt the *pope* . Some must learn the hard way..
Everyone complaining about him cutting off the interviewer and not getting his opinions in. You should watch it again from the beginning realizing that Stallman knew that this is being recorded by a journalist who will write about his views. So he was being (considerably) polite while being assertive about his opinions, considering how easily and OFTEN journalists take your words and use it to convey their own stories. He was making sure his words are HIS and what the interviewer's preconceived ideas. Case in point: This video's clickbait title.
@Peter Lustig from what i watched from stallman, the difference is that he advocates for free software, while open source does not. open source implicitly let the corporate overlords profit without sharing. free software forces other software that uses free software to copyleft.
i understand where your "lazy loser" comes from, and that he's somehow a fraud in your eyes. i really do, there's other software people i despise in a similar light. but there's nothing lazy about the free software movement at all. maybe it has to do with him being the only vocal advocate of it, whereby you think he's lazy because no other established person is out there fighting for this one concept.
You've got to be really, really high.
@Peter Lustig He has tried what he can and mind it he is more intelligent then you. He wrote programs like GNU emacs which have lived for longer time then you. He is somehow right that open source and free software are not same since free software fights for your freedom and it is constantly working to warn users to not use proprietary software.
He kinda did call Apple fanboys foolish tho tbh
Nice pfp
Rule "minus one" of free software: If you interview Richard Stallman, you ask one question, then you let him talk for an hour. Do not interrupt.
I have to respect and admire RMS for his consistency and loyalty to his causes, over the years. Many may not agree with his philosophies, but his heart seems in the right place, and he's always got good intentions, it seems, from the cumulative hours and hours of his lectures I have watched since around 2005.
He's consistent: Same tee shirt, same beard, same hair, same stories (updated slightly, over the years) same quirkiness - God bless you, Richard Stallman, even though some may not agree, we are all God's children and you are trying to do the best for your fellow man.
Take care all :) God bless you! :D
PS: His catchphrase is _"During the 1970s..."_
God chose the foolish and weak to confound the wise and strong. God bless you too.
Yes God bless him and open his eyes. Ironically he supports a man in Sanders that would lock him up tighter than a drum🤷🏼♂️
It really makes me laugh when people say they wont use stuff he wrote, but they type it on a device with components of gnu on them and send them to a server running gnu/linux.
He's aspy af, but we need people like him.
What did you expect lol
Isn’t he also rapey or am I getting him confused with someone else?
@@oneandonlymoth He did say some weird things (which he retracted) but he himself didn't do anything.
God he's a tough dude to have a conversation with.
That's because there's no practical option here! It's too late, what the hell is he supposed to do?!
Nonsense, the interviewer was full of bourgeois attitudes and prejudices which most likely came from neoLiberal ideas in popular privately owned media..
If one hears the same old BS so often it can become irritating.
Marxist Philosopher Slavoj ZIzek points out that ideology is ideas people do not know they have..
This seems particularly true for characters such as the interviewer who needed to be corrected repeatedly for making statements based on often posited assumptions, rather than making points based on actual/useful knowledge/depth.
@mars Cubed, Presuming you know what the question is before it has been properly formed and countering it is presumptuous, arrogant, and rude regardless of how "correct" you may be. Richard does exactly that in this video. Adults when we hear something irritating, listen fully and then rebut, children when irritated, instantly lash out. They lack impulse control. Richard Stallman is lacking in impulse control here. And yes it would make him an incredibly difficult person to hold a conversation with.
As for the interviewer - I have no idea how "Bourgeois neoliberal" his presumptions were because he didn't get a chance to fully express any. The only sense I got was how "bourgeois neoliberal" Richard Stallman presumed he was.
Tim Novice You are doing the same as the interviewer .. making completely irrelevant and spurious points because you don't have an intelligent contribution to make and Stallman has made you feel confused and/or stupid.
It is not very smart people who do things that try to make themselves feel clever.
Smart people are far more interested in things that make them feel stupid.
Bourgeois neoliberal refers to status driven individuals for whom doing well within the existing economic paradigm is a primary raison d'etre ,it generally refers to notoriously unimaginative and uncreative individuals..
It is a function of social being.. and not something you are likely to be able to grasp judging by your comments above.
Tim Novice Consider Joseph Stiglitz (and others) work on information economics.
IMO it is very important as it identifies a key dynamic and problem emerging out of the kind of economy most people in the industrialised world live in today.
NeoLiberalism, AKA ads and lobbies by more profitable companies, undermine information and even the languages that propagate such faulty information.
ie, markets cannot solve problems by people (consumers) shopping around, There is a false assumption in classical and neoclassical economics, libertarian (etc) of "perfect information".
In reality, profits are made by means of "information disparity";
ie, a trader having a computer nanoseconds closer to a trading floor, knowing more about market conditions than the other guy, lobbies, ads, hoarding information, copyrighting information, hiding information (deceptive or hyped labelling) etc.
It is one of the reasons copyleft forums spontaneously weed out ads, proprietary junk, pay walls and other kinds of capitalist swindler.
Because people want and enjoy and can utilise the kind of quality information that comes from open sharing.
It is, something IMF's research department recently summed up rather well IMO, if read a certain way.
neoLiberalism overrates "junk", including overrating neoLiberalism itself.
Marketing, hype and other forms of dishonesty are the actual problem that leads to poor quality decision making..
It is a very deep concept IMO that affects many spheres, and something generated by the competitive nature of the capitalist rat race..
Places such as Mondragon have other kinds of dynamic, as do places of learning and Scandinavian countries.. to some extent.
As more people discover, play and work socially and with free software and design, so things may change towards more open and high information quality systems.
Hopefully you can get that concept and see its value.
Hype is a harmful symptom of the problem. unnecessarily distracting and foolish waste of time.
Better to try to address actual problems with quality information about open, free tools and solutions.
However, this is also just one (complimentary) perspective one can take.
love how 20 min in to the convo he just starts lotioning his feet lmao
at least he does not eat anything off them like he did in that one speech
@@theharbingerofconflation I don’t know whether I want to see it, but do you have a link?
Here's what I learned from this 55 minute interview. Matthias Schüssler is a calm and patient man. Good for you sir :-)
52:35 "syntax error: I couldn't quite parse that..." -Richard Stallman
this is not an interview, this is keep your questions and listen what I have to say.
Stallman is an asshole, period. He might be forgive for that by his main fanbase, a bunch of socially inept aspergians who have problems understanding why you should respect someone and not be hostile toward them during an interview, but not by normal people, including linus himself.
Stallman has simply gotten to the point where he believes all views that aren't his own are just not worth listening to. His interview with Brian Aker for example, Stallman was obnoxiously rude and defensive. Fuck Stallman, I honestly hope someone teaches him a thing or two the next time he talks over someone, personally insults someone like he did here, or accuses someone of "personally attacking" him by saying "you didn't answer the question".
not sure if you are under the impression that I am a fan or whatever, I am not.
I personally not only not agree with the way he treat people, but neither with his philosophy.
I just found funny how unprepared is most people that interviews him, and also a little puzzled why would they want to interview him on the first place.
***** I didn't think that you agreed with him, I was just ranting.
His patience makes up somewhat for his tendency to confound and confuse (perhaps on account of him being a non-native speaker.) Stallman values speaking in a specise manner above all things. If it takes an "aspergian" to appreciate that, so be it.
+Null
Yeah, he's a jack-ass. Very arrogant. Very pretentious. Very much on top of his high horse.
I agree with some of his aspects (ie. pushing FOSS), but I'm not extreme about it like he is - there's very good programs out there that I *HOPE* aren't spying on me, but we'll never know for sure...and that's something I accept with very high quality non-FOSS SW.
Stallman has very good points and important ideas on how to confront the increasingly suppressive computer environment and I really want to show this interview to friends and colleagues but his insane arrogance in this makes it incredibly awkward and cringy to watch. Seriously? Stallman demands not to be interrupted and asks the interviewer not to "guess" what his answer will be, but he literally interrupts him constantly without even listening to the full question.
+MetalJakst3R Agreed. Even when the interviewer just agrees with him or nods or urges him on, Stallman still gets flustered that he's being "interupted". Stallman keeps acting like he's done talking, the interviewer notices Stallman seems to be done talking and tries to move onto the next topic, then Stallman decides he has something else to say and accuses the interviewer of interrupting him or guessing. I feel like to interview Stallman smoothly you'd have to just shut up and let him lecture. He doesn't seem interested in other people's ideas, thoughts or interpretations. His ideas are interesting and important but he's not the only human being capable of independent thought. He should have more respect for others. And I say this as a huge fan/user of GNU software. RMS is just a bad spokesperson.
+MetalJakst3R You nailed it. The guy deserves credit but also should listen ALL the question (even if he thinks he already knows what the questions is) and should be more humble. Period. This is not much to ask!
Yes, that's basically it. He's not that bad in his lectures and speeches, but the FSF should really consider getting someone else to do all the interviews and public relations. I mean, I get it, he probably answered the same questions a thousand times already, but there are still new people who are interested in free software and are possibly appalled by his attitude. It's only hurting his own work in the end.
11 minutes in, I'm done!
yep he is an annoying asshole in the interview. Who cares what his points are if he gets irritating all the time. Accusing the interviewer of thinking hypothetical situations as if he has done anything practical for the last 10+ years
I am slowly learning how pause and cadence control are fundamental to healthy emotion free debate! Thank you Mr Stallman!
dont make me angry, you wouldn't like me when i'm angry! STALLMAN SMASH!
hehehehehe
belly smash!!
Hahahah
Ok that was funny xdxd
Dude, i felt sorry for you seeing you hold your recorder. Get a tripod or mic stand. ;-)
It wasn't so bad. And a mic stand has the distinct disadvantage, that you get a recording with much more ambient noise, because the mic is not so close to the one who's talking.
try a lavalier microphone
I have one of those, but for two people, you need two of those and probably a mixer. I have one of those too, but I find it easier to hold the recorder. *g*
Or set it on the table..
Rather "Ifelt sorry for you being just a mic stand"
Wow, it is impossible to have a conversation with this guy. The interviewer should have just hit record and left the room.
+Gary Edwards I think it's the other way around. Stallman only interrupts when he is interrupted. Pay attention to the way he speaks with anyone else. He is someone people should really look at when they want to learn how to communicate effectively.
He stops the guy when he tries to pawn of two ideas as one. The way he and I see it - you talk about one issue at a time. If your point is at the end of a statement with another point (something that COULD be argued) then it is necessary to STOP (right there) and discuss the first idea, because just because "YOU" think something doesn't mean it's, "Right."
What someone is saying to another person in these circumstances are, "Hey, here's this idea that you have to agree on that supports this next idea."
Language is hard. Ideas are incredibly LARGE things and I think most people don't remember that. To communicate effectively it's important to be as clear as possible. That's the way Richard Stallman attempts to speak, and being a computer programmer - he does it incredibly well.
People are always cutting people off, whether it's to just chime in and agree or we are just waiting for our turn to talk. Listening is turning your mouth off and to stop the urge to spout out whatever comes to your head.
+everennui that's obviously untrue, fe just look at the q&a section of the pantalk - he interrupts people almost everybody.
+everennui
You high? Stallman jumped on him while he was agreeing - that was plain as day, but that aside like 5x in here the interviewer didn't even finish the question before Stallman started ranting on something completely different. Talk about being interrupted? Did you watch the same interview I did? Interruption is a 2-way street.
lol human communication is not a TCP protocol - something Stallman clearly misses to understand.
What you guys don't contemplate is how interviewers and journalists use these techniques maliciously.
For example, he will bring up a hypothetical kid who is peer pressured into using proprietary software. Then stallman responds that he doesn't have to give into peer pressure. Then he responds that there is a high suicide rate amongst children and not giving into peer pressure can be stressful so you killed a child by your insistence of free software.
Journalists have baited people into these argumentative techniques before and politicians and people in the media have come up with their own tactics to prevent those types of arguments which is why you always get this kinda filler ingenuine responses.
"Stalin would've loved smartphones".They track you everywhere
Exactly
Stallman is right, there is no excuse for having to buy a machine that obeys instructions neither you nor anyone hired by you are permitted to read. That is like allowing a complete stranger, possibly in Bangladesh, to have the electronics of your motor car sent to him to fix, and you give him carte-blanche trust that everything he does is proper.
Trust, But Verify should apply here.
23:02 ear wax + lotion = maximum moisturizing.
Yeah, RMS has a history of being gross...
17:45 - opinions about Apple and its products
kex1xik to the top you go
Thanks! Most helpful. I have a huge admiration for Richard Stallman, but I came here for his comments on Apple, and not a 55 minute interview.
It seemed like he shot down any question that would be inconvenient to have asked.
He just doesn't want to hear a scenario where his idealistic concepts fail to match with reality.
no you fool you absolute mongoloid he answered everything well and logically. None of the questions posed by that limpdick shite interviewer held any weight which is why they were so easily dismissed. That you're too fucking stupid to understand that is well and fine, but it is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Lots of low iq fuckwits with top comments on this video for some reason.
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@@satzbau9185 Chill out. Maybe you're right but do you have to humiliate cidshroom?
@@satzbau9185 You could probably explain why he is wrong, instead of, you know, being a child. I personally think he was right.
you tried to lead RMS in an interview, never try to control RMS just give him his subject and let him talk himself out :P
I feel like there could be a book called "How to Interview Stallman with Probable Success". After watching this video you start to realise certain things, like if the host said "a lot of our viewers might think that... ...could you explain why that's wrong?" when presenting a hypothetical situation Stallman probably would've responded a bit better XD
A truly free person and we - the society accustomed to slavery with the slave-mind... The difference in PoVs is so evident in this interview. I loved the guy!
Unbelievable. I don't think he let the interviewer finish a single question.
interviewer turns his patience up to '11'
Richard Stallman seems to prefer monologues to dialogues.
maybe because this is an interview, not a dialog... obviously
I think Richard Stallman would prefer to give a speech.
To be fair this guy wasn't a very good interviewer.
Broadsword I completely agree with you. There’s nothing professional about the interviewer whatsoever. He keeps looking at the camera while chuckling at what Stallman is saying. Stallman is speaking to him like he’s a child because he’s acting like a schoolchild who can’t stop giggling and interrupting class.
Because the interviewer can't comprehend what kind of message that Stallman want to deliver to society.
btw, i now use nothing except free software but was a network administrator for many years. most of my groups work was recovering data accidentally lost by users who didnt know how to save files so they could be found later. attempts to train employees failed repeatedly, forcing minimal security restrictions by user working group and department. this was similar to the idea of giving a group of students their own computer.
5:55 ← The moment when I knew the interviewer didn't get it, latching onto words without understanding their context and what is actually being said. Richard Stallman shows a lot of patience here.
I like both these guys but I really like that Richard Stallman doesn't allow his interview to paraphrase him. Great interview.
Richard Stallman has a Linux mind (incredibly vast) and an Apple personality, (constrictive and unable to have a two-way conversation with).
it's hard to find an interiew of stallman not becoming easily agitated
is there an effective difference between using a VPN over using tor? Are they in effect accomplishing the same goal? Is one better than the other?
watching this on my iPhone, nodding my head
Watching this on a Corebooted Thinkpad X230, running Arch and i3wm :D
Too bad arch isn't supported by the FSF
Typical arch user making sure everybody knows
Convert your arch install to parabola.
Is there an archive of the podcast (linked in description) anywhere?
You can find it here now (forward to the end for the extra part): onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21ANSIrMp8ozONM2I&cid=CBD8623C8152DC30&id=CBD8623C8152DC30%2114930&parId=CBD8623C8152DC30%2114787&o=OneUp
@good job on this interview man
I'd love to hear his thought's on risc-5 and the w3c
"Ja, it rubs the lotion on its skin; I agree."
Sweet Jesus.. I like free software but this is just insane.
Some would say insane is an understatement.
+Roger H. Newell It's a war and they want your data and your freedom
+Andrew Ryan Let's not use hyperbole. There is no "war."
Rogelio Guerrero Yes very true, I just use that term to refer to the controversy between free and not-free
the war has been won and they have your money!
What is the model of the laptop. It's a thinkpad but which one ?
But what if I install Libreboot and a Gnu/Linux distro with the linux-libre kernel on a 1,1/2,1 Macbook?
Stallman is great. Always providing facts about his opinions and views. You got to respect that!
He's maybe a bit hard to interview, but the interviewer should have done his homework before that and prepared.
"Edward Snowden is a hero".
Richard stallman he is also come in jodhpur in my university and here all student is using ubuntu 16.10
I wonder if the voice recorder is using Free Software :p
Stallman has some good points but it's important to note that, because of a very generous trust fund left to him by his parents, he's never had to work a day in his life and can't comprehend the idea of coding software as a means to earn a living (to survive). He's a trust-fund baby that's never had to leave the womb of academia and the insular bubble it creates.
You are spreading misinformation about Stallman. In the 1970s he worked at the MIT AI lab. In the 1980s he lived in his free MIT office and did some consulting on the use of gcc. In 1990, he won a MacArthur award, which gave him $240k. In 2001, he won the Takeda Award for Techno-Entrepreneurial Achievement for Social/Economic Well-Being, for which he received a prize of $830k. He lives very simply on that prize money.
I enjoy listening to Richard Stallman. We need more Richard Stallman's fighting this fight.
Ok the thing is, he may be cutting the interviewer off, but once he does he makes concepts very clear to understand as he chooses his words very carefully.
What laptop is that? Lenovo Thinkpad?
Excellent video, thank you for sharing!
"Stay a while and listen" -Richard Stallman
I have a laptop signed by Stallman with Linux on it and I am immensely proud of it. I like his view. A lot of people are pragmatic about open source software. I prefer a moralistic and ideological point of view. Practicality is a construct of time ideas are forever.
That's so cool ! what laptop ?
Shubham Bhushan what makes paid software so immoral? Why can't a company or group spend time making software and charge money for it ? Like I'm really trying to wrap my mind around his opinion that paid company software is evil
Mexicomank2 Ya, I have no idea either I don't think he understands. Paid software is only bad if it restricts you from using the software that you bought or changing stuff in it. It should be free for the user to change
I think I figured out his reasoning. If you can't see the source code you can't look transparently at all the programs functions. Meaning it's possible for a closed source app to be spying on you with a hidden agenda. Making it inherently evil
Mexicomank2 hmm
When I worked for IBM, and even later when in 1969 I met my wife-to-be at a SHARE conference, the chief function of such events, ancouraged by IBM, was the sharing of the hardest-to-write of all software, system software written in "assembler", i.e. direct correspondence to machine language.
There were even for some years enthusiasts , even evangelists, for HASP, the Houston Advanced Spooling Project, the origin of which is said to have been that four or five of IBM's biggest, fastest mainframes were working for NASA in Houston, and the NASA computer hotshots reckoned that cards being read into the card reader should not have to stop while the computer interpreted the Job Control Language (JCL) cards that said what to do with the stream of cards following.
The story goes that the team in charge of taking care of that customer got IBM to muster a team to write something better and still compatible with OS/360, and they did. In due course, the HASP code or its principles did indeed merge with OS/360.
16:40 My mum (nearly 70yrs) isn't good with computers but she manages with GNU/linux using the gnome 2 desktop. I didn't have to show her much - I just made the shortcut icons on the desktop big because she avoids wearing her glasses
He needs to work on his social skills.
You're right, the interviewer is awful.
Pope's Palace yeah. It’s completely unprofessional how he is keeps laughing and interrupting. A professional interviewer lets the interviewee answer his questions without interrupting and twisting what what he says into something completely different. God, I want to reach through my phone and slap that smug smirk off his fucking face!
Did he just put skin cream on his feet while giving interview?
He is the one of the greatest mind, but...
There's a video where he literally picks something off of his foot and eats it in the middle of a lecture.
Oh my God. He holds the sound recorder for the entire hour.
I understand where Stallman is coming from. He was trying to avoid what we have with data collection today. I respect that.
His arrogance makes Linus Torvalds seem like a lovable person.
Well, the difference is that Linus never seems to do all the 'crazy shit' he does when not behind a computer. So, he may be just a keyboard warrior. Stallman has displayed temper tantrums numerous times in person.
Except in the NVIDIA incident. Generally, he is cool. IMHO he was cool in the NVIDIA incident.
John Dunlap Linus is way nicer and smarter.
Wut, they're both lovable.. :p
I think he's clearly one of those people who had to "work on their social skills" as a kid, and it's probably still hard for him (perhaps Asperger's?). He interrupts the host a lot, but I don't see anything else particularly arrogant. And to be fair, if you look at other videos like this, he usually doesn't interrupt this much. (I suspect it's his response to not understanding where the questioner is going, or their accent).
Linus is arrogant, but the arrogance he displays publicly is exaggerated for humor.
I guess, most people at one point disagreed with Stallman about free software, a lot still do. The truth though is, his predictions became reality. As he says in this interview, the facts support his claims. One of the most important voices in IT.
17:22 I'm actually planning to install Linux with some Windows-esque DE on my grandparten's PC, because they probably won't even notice the difference but it'll be more secure.
Not every distro is Gentoo
Can you please link the other talk he is talking about, regarding Swiss Copyright Law?
In addition, I want to make a point on the question of free software and capitalism. Are they really opposed? What is copyright in the first place? Copyright is a government regulation, a government intervention into the free market. Copyright is not a product of the free market. And all the big companies Apple, Amazon, Facebook, Google, Microsoft? They could just grow because government gave them a privilege, a unfair advantage on the market. They are not a product of free trade and free market.
In a free market, companies only had two choices: Keep their trade secrets confidential or publish them. They could not protect them buy suing other people who never voluntarily signed an agreement with you to respect your intellectual “property” (put in quotes, because it is very different from physical property). In this setting, small companies who pay their employees fairly would also have a natural advantage: There is a lower risk that employees leak confidential information.
Richard Stallman needs is worldly famous for his contributions, But ... man o man! the guy is an "Obsessive Compulsive" Control Freak! He's trying to control the interviewer's phrases, what he should or should not do, what even he shouldn't think/guess and even his facial expressions during the interview.
47:05 Best part of the interview :D
hehe, sometimes one has to burp to get an idea across :)
Leon van Kammen Yup, almost like Dr. Rick Sanchez ;)
@@bonbonpony my little poneyyy 🐴🐎
a university environment is a unique case. arguing that one instance in that environment invalidates the need for different operating conditions in all other system and eliminates any need for security. a shared system even in a university needs basic security to segregate the work of individuals sufficiently to protect damage form others. shared work is entirely different.
Following Stallman's description of the elevator encounter during his time at MIT, the reporter response captures all that Switzerland is...
"...maybe that was simply an administrative measurement"
"...Right exactly, that what was wrong with it" ... Responds Stallman
What happened to his elbow?
+galacticninth
He broke it some years ago in a quite unfortunate way.
*****
Slipped on ice at some airport. I think he mentions it in his webpage.
probably sleeping on the park bench after eating a sub from Jersey Mike's
Richard Stallman Is The Man Who Changed My Habits The Way I'm Using Computers !
What is the hardware plugged in Stallman's laptop?
Some sort of foot scrubber probs
My issue with Linux distros is that they are great for novices who only need a web browser and word processor, great for pros who use command lines all day, and terrible for everyone in the middle. I'm not command oriented, I'm GUI oriented and you don't get a full GUI on LInux. They say "type this command in" and I have no idea what it does and it doesn't solve my problem. So I'm a more advanced user when I use Windows.
States are not failing to do their job, their job *is* to serve the companies.
touche!
17:56
What Apple really thinks of its consumerbase.
Listening to this makes me recall the Apple Macintosh "1984" ad. Oh, how ironic...
Was Stallman involved in some kind of accident, or had a major operation? He has a rather long scar at the back of his arm along his elbow, around 8:50?Could the professor be Martin Minksy or Seymour Papert?
I SO like how Richard talks. That's one of the most perfect styles I know of.
lucid rambling
Stallman always talks about users. But he never talks about Developers. Should all developers just freely give away all their hard work and not get any kind of compensation for it? What if they have no other forms of income? How do they live?
It's perfectly fine to sell Free software. It would still be libre, no one said it has to be gratis.
Connor Doherty Correct, but I'm not convinced that it would be financially viable. However, I don't think Stallman thinks their "right" to make a living as a coder is as important as the users right to be free.
I've worked at an open source company for the last 10 years. Our customers pay for support, training and customization, but they don't pay for a license to use the code.
I get paid for my time and for the time I give support. It can and has been done.
is that all you get from the interview?
Free from user restrictions and accounting may work ok for university / hack / compte research ... However, this is a must have once you start using computers in business - for legal reasons. As simple as "who did **this** / when / maybe this was done by some stranger?"
That's what happens to 'know it all folks.' Really bugs me. Stallman, respect goes both ways.
Never trust Apple devices
hey what do u say about chrome os? i use samsung chromebook plus it linux
Serj Star he is against chrome os because Chrome is proprietary (chromium is not but chrome could potentially have malicious or spying code) and it encourages people to store their data in the cloud which he is against because data you own on your machine requires a court to give you a search warrant to see it. However, if your data is stored "in the cloud" I.e. someone else's computer they don't even necessarily require a warrant to search your data on the corporations servers.
He has mixed feelings on Google in general because they simultaneously do good and evil at the same time so he tends to approach Google products on a case by case basis.
I suppose you could install a free distribution on a chromebook. I'm unsure
come one either u play or u dont its not gonna change anything if cia wants to spy on me the dont need my pc they got sattelites common sense , u can be against and all but ur still gonna enjoy your iphone or smartphone writing this anyway so what can u actually do and keep the money that u have spent on a device unless a device comes out that is made specifically with free software and free everything . what about games , or people who who write programs should they not get paid for theyre hard work?
is that Fujitsu laptop from 1999?
Stallman really is a difficult person and combative
you would be as well if your idea is being crushed by corporate interest!!!
thats a good point
I approve of both traits. Why be a doormat?
415 Apple fanboys were offended.
best part of this was just watching the awkward dynamic.
I Would love to hear what he's got to say about Ubuntu. :-)
I get the impression that Stallman
a: despises getting interrupted
b: is rather defensive/standoff-ish in conversation.
yup, he is going to lecture what he wants to lecture, and fuck you if you dont want to hear what he has to say.
of course i want to hear what he says. I clicked on the video but it's supposed to be an interview and interviews should always have a give and take. The interviewer made mistakes too but lets not forget that there are better ways to address said mistakes.
the pergers man. once you learn how to interact with those types of people it's not a big deal. I used think Stallman is often foolish with his comments, but the older I grow, the more I respect his position. he also put his money where his mouth is, and continues to live his own life by his principles. few of us have the courage to do that.
c: interrupt the interviewer all the time before he finishes the question he want's to ask Stallman. The finger usually points back at one self. I guess that is also applicable to Stallman. =)
I personally love his passion
I love R. Stallman. I think it's wonderful that he pushes back and insists upon clarity and accuracy. It's honest and real and actually demonstrates respect for intelligent dialogue.
Feel bad for the interviewer at 7:50. He was trying to make the point about organisations needing to keep track of users. There are cases where this is a good idea. Maybe you can get away with having a password-less techno-utopia in late-70s MIT, but if you take a modern-day company that has thousands of employees, some working with financially sensitive data, you stand to invite potential disaster from that data falling into the wrong hands if you have some kind of totally open system.
As well as that, the sad fact is that most users are ignorant of the inner workings of a computer and there's a case to be made that they shouldn't be allowed to have full access to their system, because they can mess things up. This is doubly true in the context of an organisation where their mistakes may not only affect them but, potentially, the livelihoods of co-workers as well.
It's funny how Stallman handles this question, too. He was only just sitting there talking about so ardently against this type of 'fascism', as he calls it, only to totally go off on the interviewer. He basically warns the interviewer not to make him angry with such questions. And the interviewer totally kow-tows to that, of course.
And that's another problem with Stallman interviews, where the interviewer is coming from a place of total sycophancy to begin with and will usually relent when Stallman gets going. I'd love to see someone like Bill Gates debate Stallman. Not because I love Bill Gates, but because he's just coming at things re:computing from a different angle, and he also wouldn't be so easily cowed. I know Stallman would probably outright refuse such a meeting, even though it would probably get him and his cause more publicity than it has in the years since the FSF was set up.
28:40 THE warrior is speaking here.
Profound respect.
That's the ONLY sane way of living. Bravo, RMS, and I just wish that they can _hear_ what You're saying.
RMS, thank you for freedom
+Pavel Evdokimov What OS does Stallman use or what distro? I'm new to Linux
+Andrew Ryan There's a Trisquel sticker on his laptop so my bets are Tirsquel :)
First interview I watch with Stallman. I already love this guy!
Whats his laptop brand ?
He is not an easy interview. A very interesting mind.