Tonträger has the feet on the floor. Hollowed out a bit for less contact. The idea is simple but effective. Get the vibration straight to the floor. Excellent.
It's interesting to me as an English teacher that non-native speakers of English pepper their speech with the superfluous use of "actually," just as (or moreso than) native speakers (speakers!) in the US and UK do and where the habit is rampant. Its popularity appears to spring from an effort to sound authoritative, but for me, it has the opposite effect. This is not intended as any negative reflection on the gentlemen here, merely an observation on how language travels and behaves out in the world.
Hey, Chris! I know this is an older episode, but I have a relevant question. Can I not use desktop stands? I understand that putting the speakers at the edge of the desk is preferable to sitting them deeper back on the desk. But is there no way to optimally, or at-least adequately, decouple my speakers with desktop stands?
Have seen photos in which coins are placed under the spikes above floor. No idea of the construction material of the floor. Under which situation should we do that? What must be the idea? Is it necessary?
Hello Radon - You put coins underneath the spikes to protect the floor, if you want to use spikes on wooden floors. It is the cheapskate-version of using “real” floor protectors that are not always included. Works fine if you want, but perhaps looks a bit clunky.
Hi Arnab. Both can work fine if they are designed properly. It is more the mechanical design, than the material used that counts - much like with the speaker itself 🙂
Hi! Late to the party, but just wanted to ask - what if the speaker is in a TM orientation, should I keep it ear level relative to the center of the speaker or the tweeter?
Hi there. The height of your speaker stand depends on your listening height. We would normally recommend a stand height around 60 cm, like Dynaudio stand 10 or 20, if your listening position is low, try to tilt the stand or speaker slightly forward, if your listening position high, try to tilt the stand or speaker backward until you find the best sound for your listening height. On stand 10 and 20 this can be done using the spikes included.
Hi there 😊 I tracked down Otto for you. Here's his reply: For a few reasons, it is not optimal: to be “sturdy” in acoustic terms is quite demanding - it would basically need to be made of stone. Reason being, a large plate is easier to force to resonate than a small one, so a table needs to be much heavier than a speaker stand, to not vibrate. Simple test: put your speaker on the table, and put your hand lightly on the table next to it, while the speaker is playing. If you feel it vibrate, it is creating distortion and sucking out energy (dynamics). Secondly, the low frequencies will bounce off the table and can make the sound boomy and irregular. A stand will place the speaker freely in the air. If you do use a table, make sure you put the speaker right at the front edge of the table. Again you can test this easily, try placing the speaker at the front, and compare that with placing it 15-20 cm back. The difference should be very obvious (especially if you ask a helper to do it while the music is playing, that will make it very easy to hear). A similar difference is what you should get by going from a table to a stand - just to give you a rough idea. // Hope that answers your question, Lilli
I'm wondering the exact same thing. I don't think it is, as I've seen them in real life in a showroom. But one has to admit, the shot, in which they show the molded bottom of the base (which I had not seen in the showroom) makes it look completely plastic, to the point of me doubting my IRL experience. With my rudimentary understanding of acoustic design, it's not completely unthinkable to use high density polymer in an application like this. Although, I don't see the benefit over metal. If it is metal, the molding process is amazing. It would be nice if they responded with official data.
Alright, I think they're metal, specifically Aluminum, as the rest of the stand. In yet another video from them they show the base in better light and it's shine is unmistakably that of metal, also, on store pages no other materials than Aluminum are listed. The molding is exquisite to the eyes and it's this very molding ability that Aluminum is often used for as well. Not many other metals could facilitate for making this.
Hey, I have Special 40 with Stand 20 and one of the rubber ring did not close the gap entirely and make the speaker rock back and forth. What's the recommendation to remedy that. Replacing the rubber ring?
@@dynaudio Nope, it look very fine, just like appear shorter than the rest. When view in a microscopic way it is shorter than the rest and make the speaker rocking by mere finger push vertically. Otherwise it sit okay, but annoying haha. Also the bag that came with it is tear easily if not careful. When filled with sands and want to take out, advisable not to drag it or else the inside sharp component will tear thing and the whole bag will leak and break. Learn my lesson. Not easy to fill sand inside this bag.
Okay, well... I would go see my local dealer and just have them check out the stand to make sure it's not anything other than the rubber ring (it sounds weird to me that it should be smaller than the others). Hopefully, it's just about ordering a new rubber ring for the stand and case closed. //Christopher.
Hi Anthony. We wouldn't recommend using lead as it is actually toxic for people. I am not a chemist so I won't try to explain why (I might very miss the mark completely), but as I said, lead is toxic and we wouldn't recommend using it in your home. //Christopher.
I am glad Christopher is not starting at the camera.
Very knowledgeable conversation
Tonträger has the feet on the floor. Hollowed out a bit for less contact. The idea is simple but effective. Get the vibration straight to the floor. Excellent.
Otto gives very good answers.
Thank you, Tim 🙂
Depleted uranium would make a perfect speakers stands filler 😉. Great video, thanks
It's interesting to me as an English teacher that non-native speakers of English pepper their speech with the superfluous use of "actually," just as (or moreso than) native speakers (speakers!) in the US and UK do and where the habit is rampant. Its popularity appears to spring from an effort to sound authoritative, but for me, it has the opposite effect. This is not intended as any negative reflection on the gentlemen here, merely an observation on how language travels and behaves out in the world.
Hey, Chris!
I know this is an older episode, but I have a relevant question.
Can I not use desktop stands?
I understand that putting the speakers at the edge of the desk is preferable to sitting them deeper back on the desk.
But is there no way to optimally, or at-least adequately, decouple my speakers with desktop stands?
Have seen photos in which coins are placed under the spikes above floor. No idea of the construction material of the floor. Under which situation should we do that? What must be the idea? Is it necessary?
Hello Radon - You put coins underneath the spikes to protect the floor, if you want to use spikes on wooden floors. It is the cheapskate-version of using “real” floor protectors that are not always included. Works fine if you want, but perhaps looks a bit clunky.
Learn some good things in this video but don't know how you guys missed the most important question of stand height
Whats your opinion about the material for the stand, can one use hardwood stands vs metal ones?
Hi Arnab. Both can work fine if they are designed properly. It is more the mechanical design, than the material used that counts - much like with the speaker itself 🙂
Very interesting video. I'm filling my stands with silica sand. Thank you Dynaudio!
Happy to hear you enjoyed our episode 😁 // All the best, Lilli
The ear level you are mentioning is when you are standing or sitting down on a chair????????
Depends on standing or sitting while listening.
That was very interesting thank you. I never realised that the subject was so complicated.
What are some good stands that dont cost more than my speakers? like 100$ or less a pair. some of these stand prices are insane?
Excellent video guys 👍🏻
Thank you 😊
Hi! Late to the party, but just wanted to ask - what if the speaker is in a TM orientation, should I keep it ear level relative to the center of the speaker or the tweeter?
Do BM5mkiii have screw holes on the bottom for securing to stands?
Thanks for your question! Sadly, they do not - nor are there mounting holes on the cabinet.
I'm wondering for decoupling, would using 1/4 to 1/2 inch felt pads would be good enough?
Blu tach amazing and cheap that's what I use
Question for Dynaudio guys: What is the manufacturer's recommendation for the speaker stand height for Dynaudio excite 12?
Hi there. The height of your speaker stand depends on your listening height. We would normally recommend a stand height around 60 cm, like Dynaudio stand 10 or 20, if your listening position is low, try to tilt the stand or speaker slightly forward, if your listening position high, try to tilt the stand or speaker backward until you find the best sound for your listening height. On stand 10 and 20 this can be done using the spikes included.
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Is a sturdy table enough if it's the right height?
Hi there 😊 I tracked down Otto for you. Here's his reply:
For a few reasons, it is not optimal: to be “sturdy” in acoustic terms is quite demanding - it would basically need to be made of stone. Reason being, a large plate is easier to force to resonate than a small one, so a table needs to be much heavier than a speaker stand, to not vibrate. Simple test: put your speaker on the table, and put your hand lightly on the table next to it, while the speaker is playing. If you feel it vibrate, it is creating distortion and sucking out energy (dynamics).
Secondly, the low frequencies will bounce off the table and can make the sound boomy and irregular. A stand will place the speaker freely in the air. If you do use a table, make sure you put the speaker right at the front edge of the table. Again you can test this easily, try placing the speaker at the front, and compare that with placing it 15-20 cm back. The difference should be very obvious (especially if you ask a helper to do it while the music is playing, that will make it very easy to hear). A similar difference is what you should get by going from a table to a stand - just to give you a rough idea.
// Hope that answers your question, Lilli
Thanks for the answer!
You're very welcome 😊
Is the bottom plate plastic?
I'm wondering the exact same thing. I don't think it is, as I've seen them in real life in a showroom. But one has to admit, the shot, in which they show the molded bottom of the base (which I had not seen in the showroom) makes it look completely plastic, to the point of me doubting my IRL experience. With my rudimentary understanding of acoustic design, it's not completely unthinkable to use high density polymer in an application like this. Although, I don't see the benefit over metal. If it is metal, the molding process is amazing. It would be nice if they responded with official data.
Alright, I think they're metal, specifically Aluminum, as the rest of the stand. In yet another video from them they show the base in better light and it's shine is unmistakably that of metal, also, on store pages no other materials than Aluminum are listed. The molding is exquisite to the eyes and it's this very molding ability that Aluminum is often used for as well. Not many other metals could facilitate for making this.
Hey, I have Special 40 with Stand 20 and one of the rubber ring did not close the gap entirely and make the speaker rock back and forth. What's the recommendation to remedy that. Replacing the rubber ring?
Hi Swee. Does the rubber ring look damaged? //Christopher.
@@dynaudio Nope, it look very fine, just like appear shorter than the rest. When view in a microscopic way it is shorter than the rest and make the speaker rocking by mere finger push vertically. Otherwise it sit okay, but annoying haha.
Also the bag that came with it is tear easily if not careful. When filled with sands and want to take out, advisable not to drag it or else the inside sharp component will tear thing and the whole bag will leak and break. Learn my lesson. Not easy to fill sand inside this bag.
Okay, well... I would go see my local dealer and just have them check out the stand to make sure it's not anything other than the rubber ring (it sounds weird to me that it should be smaller than the others). Hopefully, it's just about ordering a new rubber ring for the stand and case closed. //Christopher.
@@dynaudio Tks for replying.. will visit to dealer 👍
If it’s a wood floor and your using spikes....you better not be renting🤡
I filled mine with sand (that I cooked myself) and lead shot
Hi Anthony. We wouldn't recommend using lead as it is actually toxic for people. I am not a chemist so I won't try to explain why (I might very miss the mark completely), but as I said, lead is toxic and we wouldn't recommend using it in your home. //Christopher.
Isolation
Some good technical points spoiled by careless mistakes !!