Vicky's book is incredible..... everyone should read it, whether you are LGBTQ+ or not. This film looks amazing, and I can't wait to make my best attempt at watching it. Might take a few tries! Chloe is a smart woman, and an amazing artist and I'm so glad she did this role!
The weird thing is that I was gay until my 23 years and now I am not anymore, it went away after all of these years. I didn't even know that was possible. 🤔
People's sexuality is known to change over the course of their lives. Some go from gay to straight, some from straight to gay, some land somewhere in between. But it seems that while it can happen naturally, conversation therapy is incapable of inducing such change. Can I ask - until 23, were you completely gay? Did you not have any attraction to girls through your teenage years? And do you mean only sexual, or also romantic attraction in regards to your sexuality? Thanks in advance.
yes, I believe this is absolutely true - I think there is a certain fluidity to sexual orientation, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that some folks who were gay before meeting christ are now in Jesus and living, at least in part, a heterosexual life. I do think it's really hard though for someone who was involved in homosexual sex to ever be truly free of that, though.
It is pretty weird to see Vicky looking so boyish - but if this really her path, then God is with her and I am too. I am so curious to see a sort of before / after of her relationship with Jesus. She led worship in big charismatic churches - does she still feel that passion for Jesus?
The Bible is quite clear concerning homosexuality, there are many moral institutions out there that one can join, you don't have to rewrite the Bible to fit into your lifestyle. You are only homosexual if you indulge in homosexuality, the Bible says if you love God so much you'll give up any matters of the flesh to follow him.
God said if you divorce & remarry, you're committing adultery. Do you go around telling every person you know (and those you don't) who remarried after divorcing a spouse who is still alive, that they are living in sin & need to leave any subsequent spouse (because they are living in sin) & live alone & celibate until their first spouse dies?? You go ahead & say that to every remarried person you know & get back to me on how that goes, 'k? Jesus never once condemned homosexuality, but he said people who divorce & remarry are adulterers. But admit it. You don't really CARE what JESUS said. You just want to use God to justify your own prejudices, bigotry, & obsession over other peoples' sex lives.
"Prostitutes & tax collectors will enter the Kingdom of God ahead of you!" - Jesus, the one who condemned religious people like you & hung out w/ "sinners"? Until devout religious people like you conspired to kill him b/c he was so irritating to you. I'll cast my lot w/ Jesus & Vicky. Jesus also said, "Go, sell all that you have & give it to the poor, & come follow me." Did you do that? If you really love God so much, you'll give up any matters of the flesh to follow him. But you won't do it. Because you're a SELECTIVE LITERALIST. You're happy to tell other people what sinners they are as long as it places no demands on YOU. "Woe to you, scribes & Pharisees! For you heap burdens on OTHER PEOPLE'S BACKS while not lifting a finger yourself." - Jesus
Vicky, I prefer you with short hair, there’s nothing wrong with conforming to a lesbian stereotype, besides which at least now you should be able to turn straight ladies gay!💋
I sensed Holy Spirit in her early song writing and worship towards Jesus. I pray Vicky comes back into her prayer closet and gets wrecked by Jesus' unconditional LOVE, writes songs, lives for JESUS CHRIST (even though He's not popular among LGBTQ) and revival for lost abandoned and broken souls!
Why don’t you debate the scriptures with bible believing christians vicky but go to the secular liberal media? Also why don’t you make your comments on the scriptures available for free on your website?
She clearly is contrary to the Scriptures, nor does she understand the difference between Torah law and Jewish law as in Talmuds. I suspect she doesn't want to learn any of this so she can justify her own wicked lifestyle.
@The Transformation Project: That's an odd assumption to make based on one interview. Vicky's debated Christians on TV, too. But it's interesting that "bible-believing" Christians are so rarely interested in an actual discussion about the Scriptures and what they mean, and more about shouting loudly that their interpretation is the only valid one. Anyway, read Vicky's book if you want to know what she actually thinks (and has been through). She has a theology degree from Oxford so has a pretty good (!) understanding of the Bible.
@levite cahn: As you'd know if you actually knew anything about Vicky, she has a degree in theology and so has a pretty good (!) understanding of these things - and it's certainly a shameful calumny to say that she doesn't want to learn. Like many people who've struggled with their faith, she's probably spent more time learning about this than most people!
One having a degree from a prestigious college or university doesn't give him/her a pass for understanding the Scriptures. Even though I went down a different path in a Major when I was in college, I also studied the Scriptures of my ancestors for many years, and still continue to do so. Anyone who has an education in Theology, Biblical studies, philosophy, etc. who is willing to prove him/herself to me in it, I am more than willing to oblige. I'm also willing to have this discussion on a reasonable level. Shalom
John Pettigrew it’s based on many interviews. As I say, it’s strange she hasn’t made her reasoning of the scriptures available free of charge. You would have thought she would be so keen to get this in the public domain without charging ppl to buy her book. I did download the book for free with my amazon account, but i don’t having any interest in hearing her biography. Nothing personal, just not interested.
God is not ok with men and men and woman and woman relationships. It says so in bible. Vicky you are just ignoring all of God's warnings. You are fighting against God not for Him.You have broken one of God's commandments too you have made a god in your own image.
ANNABEL COOLIO you need to watch Prayers for Bobby. Cuz u obviously don’t love your neighbor enough to show or understand compassion to their emotion. people are DYING Annabel.
ANNABEL COOLIO God made me in his image, so he made me perfect I guess. It’s easy to talk when on the other side, try once what it would be like to live a lie, or what it would be like to marry your rapist because that’s what God wants you to do
I'm not sure about all of that - I'm a believer for a very long time. I've recently come to the conclusion that I am bisexual - in a sort of Jonathan - David kind of way. It's a real thing, even if it is not sexual in my case. I guess I'm a little confused about the holiness aspect of this: does Vicky feel close to God in the same way she did before coming out?
Vicky may you be delivered to Satan that you learn not to pervert Gods Holy Word .18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man-and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. 24Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
Vicky's book is incredible..... everyone should read it, whether you are LGBTQ+ or not. This film looks amazing, and I can't wait to make my best attempt at watching it. Might take a few tries! Chloe is a smart woman, and an amazing artist and I'm so glad she did this role!
the film is a close approximation of what a christian environment of this sort would be. It's not entirely authentic but pretty darn close.
I need to see this film! Also please read Vicky’s book, it’s brilliant and relatable (especially if you’re lgbt+).
Cat Hill I just finished it two days ago and agreed. Whether u agree with her or not, she makes several relevant pointsz
May God guide you to someone who loves you very,very much.☺
I have a growing admiration for Chloe, it used to be just because she is cute and funny but she really seems to be a wonderful human being. Love you!
Ah man I wish I was more articulate.. Great chat guys.. Looking forward to reading "undivided" and watching the film. Peace out!
“There is people who will love you and accept you for who you really are.”
THIS!!!!!
I really want to see this!
Great movie!
are you a believer?
The weird thing is that I was gay until my 23 years and now I am not anymore, it went away after all of these years. I didn't even know that was possible. 🤔
People's sexuality is known to change over the course of their lives. Some go from gay to straight, some from straight to gay, some land somewhere in between. But it seems that while it can happen naturally, conversation therapy is incapable of inducing such change. Can I ask - until 23, were you completely gay? Did you not have any attraction to girls through your teenage years? And do you mean only sexual, or also romantic attraction in regards to your sexuality? Thanks in advance.
yes, I believe this is absolutely true - I think there is a certain fluidity to sexual orientation, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that some folks who were gay before meeting christ are now in Jesus and living, at least in part, a heterosexual life. I do think it's really hard though for someone who was involved in homosexual sex to ever be truly free of that, though.
It is pretty weird to see Vicky looking so boyish - but if this really her path, then God is with her and I am too. I am so curious to see a sort of before / after of her relationship with Jesus. She led worship in big charismatic churches - does she still feel that passion for Jesus?
2 gay brothers? How is that statistically possible?
Forget statistics, it’s a reality. Also can be heredity, look up Lord Tennyson and family.
The Bible is quite clear concerning homosexuality, there are many moral institutions out there that one can join, you don't have to rewrite the Bible to fit into your lifestyle. You are only homosexual if you indulge in homosexuality, the Bible says if you love God so much you'll give up any matters of the flesh to follow him.
God said if you divorce & remarry, you're committing adultery. Do you go around telling every person you know (and those you don't) who remarried after divorcing a spouse who is still alive, that they are living in sin & need to leave any subsequent spouse (because they are living in sin) & live alone & celibate until their first spouse dies?? You go ahead & say that to every remarried person you know & get back to me on how that goes, 'k? Jesus never once condemned homosexuality, but he said people who divorce & remarry are adulterers. But admit it. You don't really CARE what JESUS said. You just want to use God to justify your own prejudices, bigotry, & obsession over other peoples' sex lives.
"Prostitutes & tax collectors will enter the Kingdom of God ahead of you!" - Jesus, the one who condemned religious people like you & hung out w/ "sinners"? Until devout religious people like you conspired to kill him b/c he was so irritating to you. I'll cast my lot w/ Jesus & Vicky. Jesus also said, "Go, sell all that you have & give it to the poor, & come follow me." Did you do that? If you really love God so much, you'll give up any matters of the flesh to follow him. But you won't do it. Because you're a SELECTIVE LITERALIST. You're happy to tell other people what sinners they are as long as it places no demands on YOU. "Woe to you, scribes & Pharisees! For you heap burdens on OTHER PEOPLE'S BACKS while not lifting a finger yourself." - Jesus
Vicky, I prefer you with short hair, there’s nothing wrong with conforming to a lesbian stereotype, besides which at least now you should be able to turn straight ladies gay!💋
weird comment....
I sensed Holy Spirit in her early song writing and worship towards Jesus. I pray Vicky comes back into her prayer closet and gets wrecked by Jesus' unconditional LOVE, writes songs, lives for JESUS CHRIST (even though He's not popular among LGBTQ) and revival for lost abandoned and broken souls!
Why don’t you debate the scriptures with bible believing christians vicky but go to the secular liberal media? Also why don’t you make your comments on the scriptures available for free on your website?
She clearly is contrary to the Scriptures, nor does she understand the difference between Torah law and Jewish law as in Talmuds. I suspect she doesn't want to learn any of this so she can justify her own wicked lifestyle.
@The Transformation Project: That's an odd assumption to make based on one interview. Vicky's debated Christians on TV, too. But it's interesting that "bible-believing" Christians are so rarely interested in an actual discussion about the Scriptures and what they mean, and more about shouting loudly that their interpretation is the only valid one. Anyway, read Vicky's book if you want to know what she actually thinks (and has been through). She has a theology degree from Oxford so has a pretty good (!) understanding of the Bible.
@levite cahn: As you'd know if you actually knew anything about Vicky, she has a degree in theology and so has a pretty good (!) understanding of these things - and it's certainly a shameful calumny to say that she doesn't want to learn. Like many people who've struggled with their faith, she's probably spent more time learning about this than most people!
One having a degree from a prestigious college or university doesn't give him/her a pass for understanding the Scriptures. Even though I went down a different path in a Major when I was in college, I also studied the Scriptures of my ancestors for many years, and still continue to do so. Anyone who has an education in Theology, Biblical studies, philosophy, etc. who is willing to prove him/herself to me in it, I am more than willing to oblige. I'm also willing to have this discussion on a reasonable level. Shalom
John Pettigrew it’s based on many interviews. As I say, it’s strange she hasn’t made her reasoning of the scriptures available free of charge. You would have thought she would be so keen to get this in the public domain without charging ppl to buy her book. I did download the book for free with my amazon account, but i don’t having any interest in hearing her biography. Nothing personal, just not interested.
God is not ok with men and men and woman and woman relationships. It says so in bible. Vicky you are just ignoring all of God's warnings. You are fighting against God not for Him.You have broken one of God's commandments too you have made a god in your own image.
ANNABEL COOLIO you need to watch Prayers for Bobby. Cuz u obviously don’t love your neighbor enough to show or understand compassion to their emotion. people are DYING Annabel.
ANNABEL COOLIO God made me in his image, so he made me perfect I guess. It’s easy to talk when on the other side, try once what it would be like to live a lie, or what it would be like to marry your rapist because that’s what God wants you to do
I'm not sure about all of that - I'm a believer for a very long time. I've recently come to the conclusion that I am bisexual - in a sort of Jonathan - David kind of way. It's a real thing, even if it is not sexual in my case. I guess I'm a little confused about the holiness aspect of this: does Vicky feel close to God in the same way she did before coming out?
Vicky may you be delivered to Satan that you learn not to pervert Gods Holy Word .18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man-and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.