She is stunning on many levels - and you know what, if she says she's homosexual and Christian then I believe her. She said she was born homosexual, that she did not choose it, and I totally believe her. We as Christians must tweak our theology to accommodate gay people who want to serve God's risen champion.
How was he hateful and disrespectful? I have so much respect for him sticking to biblical teachings despite it's unpopularity and showing patience, compassion, and love to her even though she wouldn't let him finish his sentence.
@@BibleBelieverUK The truth is that I don't care what you and your religion consider a sin. I don't believe in hate :) He is a piece of sh*t and I'm not even trying to say that in a nicer way because it's just not worth it.
Seems fairly obvious that Lively is himself a repressed homosexual, which perhaps goes a long way to explaining why he is completely *obsessed* with gay sex.
Either that (and it's highly possible), or he's a cheat and a n0nce. 5:17 what's the betting some of those 'women' to whom he talks about being attracted are underaged/minors or in some way vulnerable? We've seen enough from religious male preachers & clerics over this last Millennium to know that they cannot be trusted with treating women or children like equal human beings with rights. This man has a very creepy and shifty vibe...
Why is homosexuality banned when Leviticus also tells us not to eat sea food, not to eat pork, to have slaves. Why do we not listen to those parts of the bible but major on sexuality. So many things in the Bible we ignore, but we major on this one issue. Vicky became very ill as a result of trying to get over her feelings, she cannot change any more than I, as a hetorosexual, could become a lesbian.
Marguerite Lipscomb Old Testament las is done away with in the New Testament. The sin of sodomy is still a sin (Romans 1). She, and indeed nobody, is born gay. She gave into her lust. Nothing more, nothing less. She now tries to desperately justify it. Like all sinners do.
“God loves all of us. He loves those of different faiths and those without any faith. He loves those who suffer. He loves the rich and poor alike. He loves people of every race and culture, the married or single, and those who experience same-sex attraction or identify as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. And God expects us to follow His example.” I love that. “And God expects us to follow his example.” We don’t follow his example by ensuring that we’re on the clear other side of the chapel from that gay member or by talking behind his back. We follow his example by pulling up a seat right next to him and figuring out how to be his friend. We follow God’s example by not treating that person differently than we might treat others. We follow God’s example by being “no respecter of persons.” We follow God’s example by recognizing that each of us have challenges.
I was just getting ready to use her song Break My Heart for a worship song. Then I found this on youtube. She's openly defying the living God and arguing her excuse. This verse quickened my spirit. "What sorrow for those who say that evil is good and good is evil, that dark is light and light is dark, that bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter." Isaiah 5:20
Its clear from reading most of the comments here that Christianity is synonymous with bigotry and hatred of the worst kind, how do you think non Christians read this? I can tell you it looks like complete lunacy, its disgusting that in 2014 we still have to share a planet with people using religion as an excuse to display their own vile evil behaviour. Good luck to Vicky, I think she's not only a shining example of humanity, but an extremely brave and courageous woman, and if there is a classic example of what it should mean to be true Christian look no further than her.
"you don't have to agree with someone to be able to love that person" Best thing Vicky said on this video. I fully agree on that. Love you Vicky. And wish you well. You seem a goregeous woman and a very sweet person. I was deeply moved when I read your story and heard abot your struggles ...Yet, I do disagree with your choice of embracing homosexuality as your identity. I'm sorry you encountered so many difficulties during your young years. (I wish you had found a place that felt safe enough, within the church, to be able to open up to others about your struggles....). I know you have tried to open up and have had even people pray for you. Needless to say, from how you describe that, I can only agree it must have been a traumatic experience....None-the-less, I know God can change people who struggle with sexual orientation issues. Sometimes God chooses to do things fast, or instantly. But Usually it takes a longer process. It can be a long way to freedom. ... and a narrow path to walk. But it is well worth, and it leads to life. I wish you all the best, Vicky. May you find that narrow path. May God bless you. May his will be done in your life.
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Nobody chooses their sexual orientation and it is part of their identity. The only choice anyone who is LGBT has is to be honest or to hide in the closet. There are over 6 million Christians alive today who are LGBT. None of them will become heterosexual.
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For 40 years Christians who were LGBT tried calling themselves "ex-gay" but in 2013 ex-gay leaders admitted no ex-gay Christian became hetero during the 40 years of "change" claims. They closed every major ex-gay ministry.
That is a lie! There are testimonies of ex LGBT everywhere and what they are saying is true. Jesus Christ has the power to deliver and set free all those who seek Him with willing hearts. In the beginning God created man male and female. Biology confirms this. There is no gay gene. It is a stronghold of the enemy, and it can be broken in Jesus's name!
She has known Jesus personally for many years, and yet her life did not seem to jibe with him in this crucial area. The freedom and confidence you hear in her voice is a person who has, after a long period of bitter reflection, embraced reality despite what seems to be a contradiction to the Bible and her faith. This is the living God at work.
Kv Denko The guy is a known dirtbag whom most people roll their eyes when they see talk because he's stupid. I bet this guy is a closet homosexual. Because no grown heterosexual man goes overseas to promote the death penalty for gays like this homosexual man in the video.
He was spouting hateful bigoted rubbish, and would have gone on yammering away forever about conversion therapy and Hellfire or whatever had he not been cut off. Also, it's television, there's limited time for anyone to speak, and cues have to be followed from the prompter.
Vicky Beeching's Song, "Yesterday, today, and forever", was and is still such a blessing to me. It's my Prayer that many of these western Ministers get to encounter the real person of Jesus and all questions about life will be answered.
The lack of kindness appals me. I have no comment about the Old Testament but am sure Jesus would embrace warmly someone as caring and devout as Vicky Beeching irrespective of her sexuality, which she has no control over whatsoever.
Geof Kaley My mom told me that the Bible says that Homosexuality is an abomination against God. And she also told me that it's lust not love that the Homosexuals feel for one and other..... At least that's what she told me...😶😶
8th_chariotrider_of_888,888 That is where your completely wrong, ahe can control it she's just giving in to it too easily I'll pray to God to help her over come it, but God DEFINITELY DID NOT MAKE HER THAT WAY, NOT AT ALL. If God really controls all of how we all feel about people and things, that the world wouldn't be so friggin screwed up as it is already... I'm just saying not hating.😅😅
This beautiful woman wrote the song Deliverer that we sang on Sunday! A wonderful song that actually talks about deliverance! I'm not lying or mincing my words when I say I HATE the devil with an absolute PASSION right now!!!! Vicky we love you we really do sweetheart but you need deliverance sweetie! The Bible is not changing just cause you've convinced yourself of a lie for long enough! Thank God for the responding preacher who took his stance and loved her in this interview but said sorry sweetie homosexuality is a sin!
Now that you understand she is deceived, will you continue to sing her song? Will your church? You spoke with so much love and conviction for the truth. Please speak again...thanks.
God has turned her over to a reprobate mind but God can still use her because she's gonna do what God called her to do whether she's living in sin or not. I pray that God has mercy on her and restores her to her right mind.
Oh my goodness. I have never heard a more awful, patronising comment. Open your mind, do you really think she would have chosen to have this path and all the suppressed pain? You, are an ignorant idiot and unfortunately all.too.common in the Christian world. Read her book and grow some compassion.
Vicky, you say you love the church and want to be part of the change within it. The church of Jesus Christ does not need to be changed or conformed to the world's liberal ideology. The church needs to continue to abide in God's holy word and that includes the Lord's stance on same-sex relations. Jesus was very clear that God made them "male and female," the MAN should leave his father and mother to cleave to his WIFE. No mention of male with male or female with female unions (except to say those who do such things have left the natural use of the opposite sex for that which is against nature.) In the OT they were commanded to stone such practitioners, as God's call to his people was "be ye holy as I am holy". There are lots of liberal views and arguments using select scriptures which attempt to prove homosexuality acceptable to God. But you only have to go back to the beginning as Christ did to find God's will for marriage. God does not change his mind about the things he calls sin. Do not be deceived. All of this might sound unloving, but I assure you the unloving thing to do is NOT to warn those who profess to be in Christ that they are in error. Those outside of the church God judges, but those who call themselves a brother are to be pulled from the fire, says James. Yes, the unloving thing to do is to walk away and let them be swept away in their deceptions. God surely loves you, and every one of us. After all, Christ died for the ungodly. But Christ came to set us all free from sin, not to forgive and encourage us to continue in it. If we are his we must agree with him rather than our own feelings. Our desires are deceptive. We must even agree with his definition of marriage, male and female.. as he made them in the beginning with the command "be fruitful and multiply." Same sex couples cannot multiply because God did not make them to do so. He didn't even make the anus to lubricate the way a vagina does during stimulation (not to be blunt) and science proves how damaging the former is to those who practice it. Our heavenly Father knew exactly what he was doing when he created their bodies in the beginning. Let us honor him in living the way he prescribed. God be with you and give you sight.
Being gay is not a sin. God made everyone in his image and likeness, and God makes no mistakes. The sin is acting on the temptations that homosexuals have to face. Many homosexual people live a celibate life and are perfectly amazing Christians. People who say she is a sinner for BEING gay is absolutely misguided. God loves everyone.
There's a difference between "being" gay and "performing" gay acts.You can't control who you like. God loves every person, no person made is a mistake. But acting on those urges is a choice you make and that is the sin. Someone who likes to opposite sex but chooses to remain celibate their entire lives will be living according to God's rules. Ask a priest about it - I am a devoted Catholic and I have spoken to priests about this. And only God judges, not us.
archeyangel1 Demons influence a person to like the same sex...even if the individual is very young. Demons attach. It's truly demonic. That is why Christ came to cast out the homosexual spirits. That is why one must be born again. It doesn't matter what your priest says. Are you going to let your priest send you to hell? It only matters what the Bible says. And God's word calls it an abominable sin.
+Great Grace I don't know where you got your information. We must also trust the church in helping us to properly interpret gods word into the bible. I feel like you are misinterpreting the bible. The bible said it is a sin if a man lay with another man, and a woman lay with another woman. Hence, the actions that gay people perform. And Jesus came for all sinners.
I get my info from the bible and the Holy Spirit empowers me to preach it and teach it. Not watered down, not filtered through a man. I don't see why it's so shocking to you to come across someone who teaches the bible. These are facts, not opinions.
I'm gay and I'm scared to go out a date cause of what many Christians including my dad thinks I cry every night Trying to pray the Gay away it doesn't work these people who use Bible as a weapon of choice need to know the Fruits of the spirit which is love, Joy Peace and longsuffering I for one have a bunch of love for other even to ones that don't agree with me I love all. I have the joy in knowing A God out here cares for me and wants to protect me from harm theses christians don't realize how damaging it is to one such as me to love on fears of what of God will send me to hell and become for ever burned in hell fire cause of my love life. I have peace understanding that I have Yehsua to Guide me and it's made me a better and more spiritual person. My longsuffering is Whitnessing first hand what gays go through and I'm a part of that crowed that wants our voices heard.
Great respect and God's arms around you, Vicky. I must honestly say, I used to be one of the - sadly still many - christians that judged homosexuality as 'not good in Gods eyes' . When one of our sons told us he is gay - at least ten years ago now - I was unknowing and not understanding then. Thanks to God, we have kept supporting and loving our son. Gradually we learned more. Though I am still sometimes struggling emotionally with it, I know inside - and outside ;-) - God is absolutely loving Him as much as any other person. And he has stayed in church, though our church has in my vision still a way to go in acceptance and equally treating homosexual people . I almost finished your book Undivided. Thank you for having had the courage and love to write it and to do the so many other things to make people think and learn about homosexuality. I really hope and pray God will use me too, to help the church grow in this area. Respect and God's love.
exactly. I know I was attracted to boys long before I knew what sex WAS or even that boys had different parts than girls! Third grade I had a crush on a boy in our class, not on any of the girls. I just knew. I know it is the same way for my gay kids, they just knew.
he's just trying to say what the bible says and she is trying to tear him down for it - its not even his opinion - he is just stating what the bible says - he's a brave guy - I'd love to see her get healed would be a much better message
Joy Molyneux you have to be joking right?....first off if you are Christian then there is no discussion. Jesus never talked about homosexuality. He preached love and compassion for everyone
Its sad how having an opinion that does not endorse homosexuality is often seen as homophobic and associated with hatred, some LGBT advocates often trivialise this discussion by making it seems as if their view is an obvious truth that should not be questioned - there is a rising intolerance (how ironic) towards those who do not endorse homosexuality and a wrong view that any one who does not see the 'obviousness' or the 'normalcy' of homosexuality is backward, how wrong - People should be open for respectful dialogue and understand one another's points of view and accept that even after dialoging we may have different views - in this discussion Vicky who at certain stages in my life has been a favourite musician has an unbiblical view of things - a Ph.D only means you are advancing in research after your Masters degree on a particular subject, it does not say that you have grasped or even covered every aspect of the theology... so the Ph.D statement is not worth much in my eyes - I am not against Vicky, but certainly do no agree with her view of homosexuality or temptation in general.
+KingPB M your opinion is yours. she has a right to live her life happily, if you hate her for that then fine. You can cling to the old testament rule book version of God but Vicky believes in the loving and forgiving God of the new testament
+supererik man , it looks like you didnt read my post. you're missing the point completely. Anyway My views are based on the new testament and not the old (i think its pretty clear in the new testament) what do you base your views on... which scriptures in particular? God loves all people, homosexual or not, but the increased intensity of our battles with the flesh do not change God's view on things. We ought to be humble before God's word and accept that these things baffle us - then will we receive mercy in our times of need. I don't judge Vicky, but i disagree with that a theology is based on how on how she/me/you feels.
Did God give instructions about homosexuality or did humans? unless God came and told you himself all you are doing is believing in a very gender skewed book that was written by man alone, with emphasis on the MAN no woman. the only good takeaway from that bible is its focus on love which is the exact opposite these religious Christians are capable of.
The Pastor is right and Vicky is wrong. He was gracious in his approach and spoke the truth in Love. God and His Word (The Holy Bible) does not change with time or culture. He calls homosexuality, adultery, fornication, lying, stealing, idolatry, pride, unforgiveness etc. sin and that those who engage in it CANNOT inherit the Kingdom of God. I have been in that category myself and I had addictions to sexual sin but I had to fight the urge and surrender to Jesus and I was delivered. It is down to your free will. If you allow Him, Jesus will set you free. God bless you all.
When you place LAW before LOVE you have misunderstood the teachings of christ. You rally against this girl, because of misunderstanding. Like much of Christianity and religions in general. Humanity has misunderstood, misinterpreted and manipulated the masses. Whether you agree or disagree with the Lesbian or Gay lifestyle, it matters little. What matters is wether you LOVE. You might say, I love her, but not the lifestyle. That is simply a cop out to deflect away the obvious fact that you are placing law before love. Do you remember what Christ said to those teachers of the law? He called them White Washed Walls. If you place LAW before LOVE you are exactly the type of people Jesus would have said this to. Love Vicky, she is first and foremost a person with feelings. What she did was an incredibly courageous thing to do. You might say, well God doesn't like it. Well my friend, I would say this... is God stopping it? I don't see any deity stepping in to stop it. The only ones moaning about it are PEOPLE who have misunderstood scripture. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE prevails. That is all that matters. Well done Vicky Beeching! God Loves you!
God is HOLY Holy Holy not love love love. It is easy to see who hasn’t got a good argument the one who blocks any argument against there view. I don’t know how someone can say that they love scripture and ignore it’s clear teaching. The love that must be placed above all else is to love the lord your God with all your heart soul mind and strength and secondly to love your neighbour as yourself. Jesus said that if you love me you would obey my commands. The logical conclusion if you say you are what you’re heart desires is that pedophelia is fine because that’s who I am . Beastiality is ok because I love animals sexually and that’s fine because that’s how God made me. To make nothing sinful is to make the substitutionary death of Jesus pointless. This is love that while we were still sinners Christ died for us rarely for a good man might someone dare to die but God demonstrates his love for us in while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. We are called to deny ourselves take up our cross daily and follow Jesus. In Romans chapter one we see that homosexuality is a result refusing to Glorify God as he ought to be glorified. This should help us fall to our knees as the tax collector in Jesus parable and cry out to God to have mercy on us a sinner. God wiped soddom and Gamorra of the map mostly because of sodomy . God wiped out the whole human race except for Noah and his family because the wickedness of man had become so Great.We can not understand the love of God until we understand the Holiness of God.
I'm bisexual and I just am finding it quite difficult at the moment to be bisexual and Christian. It's like I have to choose one or the other. I would have loved to find a nice man to marry but I can't and I realized I am actually attracted to both sexes.
Jacklyn Szabo Jesus loves Vicky too, and wants her to love him back. If Vicky truly loves Jesus, she would never give in to her homosexual desires, but instead she would surrender it all to Christ who overcame every power of sin. Vicky, Jesus is waiting- will you heed his call?
Lilian Kabelle And just what does that mean, "give in to her homosexual desires"? She doesn't have a partner. Just how is she "giving in" to her desires? She is as chaste as (probably more so than) most heterosexual Christians. THEY kiss before marriage. THEY even kiss in *public*. THEY slow dance together and do all kinds of things that are "giving in" to their sexual desires. Yet, you don't say a word about that? Why? Admit it, it's because you have a personal bias against gay people, and you're using God to justify your prejudice. Are you married, Lilian? Did you indulge in sexual sin by having feelings for your husband before marriage? Did you indulge your lust by kissing before marriage? And here's a thought experiment for you: Imagine it was the other way around. Being heterosexual is sinful, but being gay is not. Would YOU change? And how would *I* know you had changed? Maybe you are secretly still wanting a relationship w/ a man in your heart, but you keep that to yourself b/c you know your family, church, friends, and co-workers would tell you you need to give your life to Jesus (which you've already done) and he will give you the power to overcome your sinful desires. How does that feel?
+Donna Brooks - Feelings, attractions, temptations, etc. are not sin. Giving into them is. Christians are new creations (2 Cor. 5:17) who are still in a corruptible container that will be changed (1 Cor. 15:53)! If Vicky is battling against these things, as all those in Christ do to one extent or another, than you are right. However, from listening to her in this video, it seems like she is defending her same-sex attraction as being not only sanctioned by God, but as a "gift" from Him. Maybe I missed the part where she said that she is chaste and not acting on her same-sex attraction.
So sad... What I see is a woman who doesn't want to submit herself to the Word of God and seems to cling more to her PhD. You don't even need a PhD to understand the Word. You just need the Spirit who guides us in all truth. Sadly, she's showing to have an appearance of godliness but denying its power (2tim3). :( May God rescue her and open her eyes! Only He can help her!
Wow! Well done Vicky for standing your ground. Scripture is a living work of God therfore it cannot be cemented into doctrine. Additionally he is not quoting at all from the New Testament.
The song :"Wonder of the cross" has been a blessing to me. Jesus overcame the power of our sin on the cross. And if Vicky really believes that- then she wouldn't give in to her passions. Being christian means being Christ-like, following him no matter what and letting him carry our burdens. Giving in to our weaknesses (including homosexuality- tough one that is I know), is like saying that Christ is not strong enough or his death did not overcome that, thus trampling on his cross. The Bible is very clear on homosexuality- and overlooking those warnings would not be wise. Do not be deceived, you cannot serve God and homosexuality- the Bible is very clear on that. I love Vicky Beeching and her music has been such a blessing for me. It's just sad to know that the powerful lyrics in her own songs, especially on the wonder and power of the cross, are not as ministering to her. One message to Vicky: the power of the cross is stronger than you can imagine. Don't give up on Christ. by giving in to homosexuality, you are turning away from Christ. That is the painful and bitter truth. If you truly love Christ, you will listen to what he says on homosexuality.
Lilgal lily If you truly know Christ Vicky, you would know his will and heart. Remember, he says, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven" Matthew 7:21. You don't wanna take the warnings in the Bible lightly. You either choose Christ or you dont. I still love Vicky though, and her songs are a blessing.
lilian, your words would be so true and so sweet if homosexuality actually WERE a choice. But who in their right mind would choose something that leads to being ostracized and even beaten and killed?!? Most are born that way.
+Mountain Guy You are right. In fact, all men are born sinners- radically depraved and dead in sin. But once one is TRULY born again, they are TRUE Christians and they are raised from the dead (spiritual)- thus being set free from the bondage of sin. Yes, the Christian is set free from sin but will battle with sin for the rest of his/her life. Battling to kill sin in one's life is a sign that the person is truly born again- they have seen the worth of Christ and fight with all they have (in the strength of the Spirit of course) to stay in love and live a life that's pleasing to him. The true Christian hates sin, and will fight it! But if someone claims to be Christian yet live in habitual sin and given in to it's pleasures, the Bible says they are lost! So yes, being Christian is a sacrifice, it's a journey down the road of Calvary with Christ. One must count the cost of following Jesus- and that includes giving up the pleasures of homosexuality by clinging to the cross.
+Mountain Guy it's all about: do you love Jesus enough, do you see the worth of Jesus to be greater than all else, to forsake all else and follow him? If Vicky's answer to these were yes, she would keep fighting. But she loves sexual immorality over Christ. It's okay to struggle with sin, but giving in and living in sin is a sign that one still belongs to the darkness- and needs to come the the light. I hope Vicky's heart will one day be struck by what she sings in "The Wonder of the Cross"- and that she will see Christ as far more beautiful, precious and worthy than homosexuality. So based on Scripture, I wouldn't say she is born again.
The bible is unmistakably clear that no homosexual will ever inherit the kingdom of God. Jesus said you cannot serve two masters. You are either the servant of sin, or you are the servant of God. Someone will say, "I was born gay." Well, it's good that you are familiar with the truth of being sinful by nature, now read John chapter 3 where Jesus says, "Ye must be born again." Jesus can save anyone from any sin, amen, and he is worthy of praise and worship!
Adiel, do you even read the Bible? You can't pick and choose what your going to follow ...do you eat shellfish? Leviticus 11:9-12 do you wear mixed fabric? Deuteronomy 22:11 do you plant two kinds of seed in the same field? Leviticus 19:19 Do you believe in Slavery...certainly allowed in the Bible? Exodus 21 Do you stone your disobedient son to death? Deuteronomy 21:18-21 Do you swear? Leviticus 24:16 and these are just a few ....The point is there are many things in the Bible we no longer adhere to out of pure human decency. I am beyond 100% positive that LGBT are born that way so telling them they "will never inherit the kingdom of God" is Cruel, Harmful and about as UnChristian as anything you could EVER say to them. Please educate yourself on these issues and choose your words better and soften the condemnation and judgement ...lives are literally at stake!
The guy in the US is quoting from a book of Jewish cultic religion to establish Christian principles. God thinks in the way the Jewish religion thinks!
Jesus accepts all and loves all, but each person has to choose Him and accept that love. Once we have done that, we then live a life guided by what scriptures say.
Cathy Carty Yes. Which is Love and acceptance. 1.) Love God with heart soul and mind 2.) Love others. God nor Jesus didn’t say love your neighbors particularly.
good for you, dont let these other Christians bring you down, i myself am also a gay christian and ik it's hard, ive even had Christians say that my mom died cause i was a gay sinner and God saved her from an abomination but plz dont let people like that tell you God hates you or doesn't love you just because of the way he made you. Leviticus writings on homosexuality are old testament and its the only quotes they will ever use against you. love yourself cause Jesus and God would want you to. these people judge others and obviously dont understand what it means to be a real christian or how Gods love truly is.
I am so sorry that you have been deceived. Homosexuality is addressed in the new testament. Study Romans 1, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Revelation. God bless you. Jesus saves.
Corey Fitch no such thing as a gay Christian - the previous commentator is completely correct - there are plenty of New Testament references (Romans 1 especially) that explicitly state sodomy is a SIN.
She is definitely outside the will of God and refuses to admit it. She may as she says been born with it but we are ALL born sinners. We as followers of Christ do not give in to sin. We ALL have a "thorn in the flesh" as Paul talks about and struggle against it.
+Karina Bertrand oh great embrace hell...just like you embrace gayness. i certainly want you to realize your sin and seek help from God. one think you all have to understand, God's righteous law make you sinfill. not people like us. i am also scrutinized by same God's law. we all fall short of our mistakes. that's why we need Grace of God. you have the freedom of choice. if you choose truth, you will be saved. if you reject truth and embrace wickedness.....you will face eternal darkness. same rule is for me to.... dont be arrogant and fulfill your bodily desires. some people might accept you in this world. some people will warn you. some people will try to help you. but in the end you stand before Gods judgement. hope to see favor in Holy God's eyes. nothing is guaranteed in this world. everything is temporary. one war can destroy the entire nation. so dont this you have found the right answer to all your struggles. if you dont believe in God ....then whatever i said will not make any sense. maybe to someone else who reads this comment.
This is a disturbing video where they kept interrupting the pastor to shut him down so he could not respond with truth from God. YOU won't shut God down like that on judgement day. Argue all you like, God set the standard of PERFECTION.
I thought the way this pastor did, up until the past year. I became friends with more gay people, and saw that they acted more like Christ then most straight Christians I knew. I listened to their stories, I even started to study look at the verses, for myself, that Christians throw out there, to say that it's wrong. Most of the verses are taken out of context, and one of them... the english has been translated differently from the original greek. I still have conflicting thoughts, but I will never tell a gay Christian that they can't be saved or go to heaven. I wish Christians would at least listen, and love, and stop fighting.
So delusional. In what context do you see homosexuality mentioned in the new testament? 😂 Were all sinners no doubt, but to be saved is to accept it's a sin not live in your sin. Idk what research you have done but please read god's word more
I’ve ready pretty much the entire bible and I have read the verses multiple times, that people point to. I also looked at it from face value and I too thought it was wrong. But as I actually dug deeper... and saw more context... I changed my view point. Whether or not I’m right or wrong... my heart is truly to seek God and his heart of love. What I don’t understand, is that many Christian will look deep into some things, but not into something like this. But if you want to call me delusional you can.
@@KaraDep87 what exactly did you interpret it as when on multiple occasions it's written that homosexuality is a sin? 😂 I just don't get you people. There are certain verses that are up for interpretation but homosexuality isn't one of them. You can't justify your sin by saying I'm made that way.. were all born as sinners
@@kevinkotak7581 I'm talking about looking at the actual greek, and history of what was happening. But, it's ok. I really don't want to start an argument. I'm open to having a discussion, but I can't have a serious conversation, if someone is just going to laugh at me and say I'm delusional. There's also a verse about being puffed up with knowledge, and it means nothing if you don't have love. Even if I was wrong, at least try to talk to me out of a heart of love. I'm not here to convince anyone.
God deeply loves the person but is holy and requires we repent from sin. All have sinned including me so not judging her. God destroyed two cities for homosexuality. Sin is sin whether you steal, murder, cheat, lie, or homosexuality. WHOEVER CONTINUES IN SIN WILL BE JUDGED BY GOD. Who ever repents from sin will be forgiven according to the word of God.
well done Vicky God bless you I am reading your book Undivided it is confirming some things and helping my understanding - including questioning the church's stand on issues x
Through Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, he made a way for everyone to enter heaven. Doesnt matter if your black or white or gay or straight, Jesus' righteousness cleanses us all. In Luke 6:37, it says 'Do not judge and you will not be judged, do not condemn and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven'. Its all good and well him attacking her and arguing that shes being taken in by the devil but why isn't he following scripture? Its not our place to judge anybody, we will all go before God and he and only he will judge us.
Nope, also says judge righteous judgement. Sin is sin... we do not condemn her, the person... the act, the sin is condemned. If the sin is not condemned then we risk the devil wrecking havoc in the body of Christ. When homosexual thoughts come in your mind, like with any other temptation, you crush it...using the bible. Yes we are fighting against ourselves, it is called the eternal struggle between the new and old man. That is why being a Christian is not a joke. Its not easy to carry a cross, its not easy to bear a thorn in your side. Nice day.
Yes Jesus will judge us... it doesn't matter if you are black or white obviously. But it does matter if you are gay or straight. I'm really not sure how you can equate race and sexuality in regard to Christian morality. That is bizzare!
For crying out loud! With all the ugly, hateful and judgmental people in the world, no one in their right mind would CHOOSE to be homosexual.! I could no more be gay than a gay person could choose to be straight. You cannot force yourself to be something other than the way you are. I applaud Vicki for her courage and will continue to be inspired by her music. And by the way, Jesus said if you look upon a woman lustfully other than your wife, you’ve already committed adultery. This reverend revealed he finds other women attractive but claims he’s righteous because he doesn’t act on it! According to the word, he’s just lied on TV! I find someone who stands in accusatory self righteous judgement of others to be very offensive. And not walking in the light of Jesus’s love. We all need Him! My personal struggle is between me and my God. It’s not anyone else’s business.
Its never about what we think is right or wrong,its about what God says is right and wrong,and God's word is very clear on homosexuality,and it is the sin that God hates,not the person. Mercy is always available for those who repent,and YES,God can help you overcome your challenge, there is nothing too difficult for Him.
God loves her too, yes, but what she claims is rebellious and is not Biblically supported; she should leave the church, yes; using the name of Jesus and making money out of it is compromising His holy name; living this way is a life indeed, but in the old fleshly nature; the Pastor is right, in the new nature, when you are being born again from the Spirit, there are very strict family life rules;
Exactly, she's blatantly denying His Word is true and therefore she needs to leave the church. We need to boycott (I've never listened to any of theses Christian singers since Amy ______ (can't remember her name for good reason) who also was rebellious in her music and not a true Christian.
Cheryl Meril Cheryl; I don't wanna fight you. But you are what gives Christianity a bad name. Just leave the poor women alone! Even if you don't agree Jesus said to love and not to Judge! You are breaking the greatest command of all time! Just stop yaself!!
I don't give Christianity a bad name, the lesbian out of her closet who claims to be a Christian does. How twisted you wicked evil people truly are. She betrayed Christians and Christianity, accepted Satan's temptation.
Is everyone here seriously forgetting that after Jesus died WE WERE NOT BOUND TO ALL THE RULES OF THE OLD TESTAMENT ANYMORE. If it wasn't, eating rare steak would be a sin and wearing clothes of mixed materials would be a sin plus many other now trivial things. Jesus taught love, and God IS love, so why would he outlaw certain kinds of love?
1Bethany 1 ...1st of all; Do you assume that because you understand the Bible differently from others that they do not read the Bible? 2nd of all: you quoted the King James Version incorrectly it states "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind" The word Homosexuality is NOT even in that scripture so next! 3rd of all: 1 Corinthians 6:9 was written by Paul NOT JESUS! 4th why do you think you have the authority on what a homosexuality is or say what is Love?
"The great falling away" 2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" ! She is part of the agenda, do not listen to her. If you are a Christian and think this is ok and going to do it because she did it then you are in serious trouble, you have asked for judgement and NOT redemption.
You guys are all hypocrites. You say that you are Christian or believe in God right? Well heres the thing. You are judging people. He did say judge and likewise be judged. You can speak the truth and how people live their lives is their ow business. I was raped by my older brother and by his friends. I was 11, didnt even understand what was going on. Needless to say it has turned me off guys. Now, is this a sin? That i see women in a different life because of past experience? Come on lets be reasonable. What they decide to do and how they live God will judge on judgement day. It is not for us. If you teach the Word truthfully, then how people take it is now up to them and not you.
+Havilah Rosie We are not allowed to judge the person but we are told to discern the truth from lies and to act in love by warning someone that what they are doing is harmful to them and against Gods will. Jesus said FIRST take the plank out of your own eyes and then you will be able to see clearly to remove the bit from another`s eyes. Its about not being a hypocrite and telling them out of love with humility and truth what the Word of God has told us. What happened to you is beyond words and I`m so sorry to hear that you had to go through that, it was utterly evil. That evil has turned you away from men and understandably so, you must now see every man as those, even though it wasn`t because they were men but was because of their total lack of love and utter sexual depravity. So what you have done is seek what you need in the only thing left, women, whom you don`t see as those whom attacked you. It is not a sin that you were turned off men because of your terrible experience and it is understandable that you seek a loving partner to become one with as that is how we are all created to be, the only issue is whether you choose that partner to be male or female. If you choose female then it is a sin because that is what God is telling us, he tells us things because they are what is right for us even though we at times may not understand the bigger picture but that's when we must have faith that He knows what is best and right for us in humility. Then comes the decision to trust God over our own selves and do what He wants, not what seems right to us at that moment. Do I put my faith in Gods Word and seek, with His protection and guidance, praying for guidance to overcome and heal my trust issues with men and the damage caused by that evil attack straight from satan and to find a true Spirit filled God fearing and loving man that would seek to treat you like this: 1 Corinthians 13 or do I go my own way and let that evil act determine otherwise? I say all this in love and because I care for you and want the best for you, even if you decide to reject what I say I pray you will understand my motivation and intentions are for you, not against you. God bless you and yours.
The Lord’s teachings are the sole Biblical standard to live by: Whoever transgresses, and abides not in the doctrine of Christ, has not God. He that abides in the doctrine of Christ, he has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9
Wow this is ironic. she writes a song that says "yesterday, today, and forever you are the same, you never change" and then she tries to convince herself that God doesn't abhor homosexuality. this is sad.
@@lizziegreen3434 The Bible says that "God does not desire that anyone should perish but that all should reach repentance"... The keyword there being repentance. The Bible also says "All homosexuals will have their part in the lake of fire". Please understand, im not trying to be judgemental or condemning, I certainly have a lot of sins of my own... Maybe even more than her. But... I'm repenting and trying to turn away from them and that is the difference that the Bible distinguishes between a Child of God and an unbeliever.
@@Dyslexiasymtum123 firstly, i didn't respond to argue with you on your take of the bible, my point was, God is the embodiment of love he IS love and always does love. Therefore, regardless of your take on homosexuality, Vicky is quite right in thinking that God will always love her and the act of being gay is not the problem, maybe the acting upon it is . That being said, the Bible specifically says that the 'sexually immoral' will go to that place of fire etc, it doesn't actually say homosexuals in ANY version, so that is simply your perspective on it.
I noticed that she keeps on interupting the Pastor when he is speaking and obviously does not want to hear what he has to say. He was the oposite. Is it that she knows she is wrong?
+Kevin Schaefer It's much much more than a relationship too, It's having that relationship and the living the Born Again life to the letter and calling sin just what it is sin, wherever it pretends to be not so. God has given us hte Spirit of Truth to discern Error and denounce it.
Bob Radford Defining the depth, quality and result of the relationship does not make it 'much much more than a relationship', I personally don't play one-upmanship but if doing so makes you feel more spiritual, have at it. You won't be getting any further response from me.
+Kevin Schaefer This woman believes she has a relationship, but if that relationship is not built on total submission to God's Word regardless of personal self interest like living a perverted lifestyle then that relationship is one sided and merely a delusion. This was my point not a personal attack on yourself Kevin.
+Bob Radford Because you don't seem to be getting it, I will retract my last statement and respond to you. I would like to remind you that my initial response in this thread was to Marcus Rhen and was regarding differentiating Christianity from religion. That was it. I was not addressing whether or not Vicky has a relationship with Christ. If you're going to address a response of mine, please stay on the topic. BTW, I in no way felt attacked. Barring a comment you made in a different thread above about being a Christian but not being born again (which is impossible. If you are one, you are also the other) we seem to be pretty much in agreement.
She fails to realize that we are all born into sin and under the dna death code, and we all need to be born again with His Spirit to become children of God and to overcome our lustful selfish sinful desires. That is what Jesus gave His life for, so we can have covenant relationship with God and live according to His will. Even nature prohibits procreation for gay people. The miracle of new life is ordained by God through union of the opposite sexes, so to say "God made me this way" is based on a selfish pride according wordly wisdom which is foolishness unto God. If you humbly submit to the will of God, He will give you the desires of your purified heart and find you an opposite sex partner that you will love and be affectioned towards to live a blessed and wholesome life. The demonic aspect is to buy into the lie, that you will somehow miss out when doing things God's way!
***** First of all they are not created in God's image so they don't have to comply with God's moral standards, and nature has a way of selecting them out since they can not procreate. We are called to rise above our animalistic urges, and to seek God's blessing of procreation and multiplication physically as well as spiritually. Amen?
well, firstly, in Genesis, clearly said homosexual can not have marriages. why? Genesis 2: 22-24, God made a woman from the rib of man and the man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. She will be called 'woman'" then the man will leave his father and mother and join with his wife and they will become one flesh. in another word, a single man and a single woman is half, not one body. So if you married man with man, God sees you are just 2 half person, same as woman with woman, that is a sin just same as sexual immoralities. Now don't you ever wonder why would God not create another man for his (Adam's) comparable in the first place? of course, because the nature of man and woman are different, and can not be change. Definitely, they can not fill up each other and become a perfect body that God's want. Marriages is not about "I love you, You love me then let's get married or just produce children or you can fill up my weaknesses, no, but it's a creation of small world which God can be place as their King, or even Head Coach to spread his Kingdom.That is why Devil loves to break family Kingdom. Do you even understand why would God create this world? because God wants to create this world as His Kingdom if Human not fall in sin. Now, since Adam and Eve fall in sin, this world (earth) will never become His Kingdom. I found also in Genesis 19: 1-29 as a proof God disgust homosexual. Please do not assistance to ask me if you need question. God Bless You.
henny, Gen 19 is about Sodom, not homosexuality. The Bible NEVER lists homosexuality as a sin of Sodom. See Ezek 16:48-50 for a list of Sodom's sins. Be careful not to read into the Bible what is not there! The horrible thing we see in Gen 19 is an attempt at same-sex gang rape. Strangely enough, most Christians see the "same-sex" part and avoid the attempted "gang rape" part. A similar event happens in Judges 19, but in this passage it is opposite-sex gang rape - and unfortunately it was not an attempt, but it was completed,...and resulted in death for the girl. Rape is horrible!!! Two passages, both in condemnation of rape! Yet most Christians only know of the story of Sodom, and then wrongly use it to preach hate. How can anyone use a gang rape scenario to condemn a monogamous, committed relationship?! If you're gonna use the Bible to condemn homosexuality, turning to Gen 19 is an abuse and misuse of scripture! Be careful what you say, because the church's misguided teaching on this has resulted in many teen suicides. And their blood will be on your hands.
+Mountain Guy There you go again always trying to defend homosexuality because you still no doubt practise it yourself, instead of giving it over to God and turn from that perverse way of life. Let me remind you of something ok? 2 Peter 2 says: 4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)- 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. Their destruction was an example to their filthy living way of life whether they gang raped or just lusted after another man. You always seem to look for something to support a positive view for homosexuality using you head, rather than seeing the bible with the Spirit of God. You can't do it because you do not have the Spirit of God to understand the Word. .
Bob, NO, I look to support what the Bible says, which sometimes has been different than what the church says. You REALLY need to get beyond a first grade level of studying the Bible!!
If she loved God, she wouldn't trample on the cross of Jesus by saying that he is not worthy of her love. She does this by living in homosexuality- an abominable sin that The Lord hates!
+BeatrixKiddo Mathew 12:36 But I say to you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Be careful!
God doesn't love us in return for our love. His love is unconditional. Not sure about bravery. Seems she is choosing the easy option. We are all sinners. I sin a lot. But all sinners need to repent and turn back to God and accept his mercy. If she can do this then she will be reconciled with God and ultimately live a happy life for eternity.
I don't think people get it being a homosexual is a sin. look in Leviticus 18 it lists all the sexual sins. sleeping with animals is in there sleeping with your mom or relative brother sister and a man with another man. we find all these things grotesque except the man with the man part! God does not pick and choose what he honors in his word he honors his whole word above his own name it says in the Bible and we are to do the same. not to say we aren't supposed to love them we are supposed to love everyone. we're to love the person but not their sin. I pray to God the he shows her the truth and delivers her from her sin that's all we can do is pray for her and her Deliverance from the lies that she has believed in so long
Oh really? She seems to be the brightest person you'll ever see. Asserting that she's troubled only shows your impotent rage over the fact that she's happy with who she is and what she feels.
Celso Ramirez Well, if God wanted her to be born lesbian and now he changed his mind, he clearly has some issues with decision-making. If Bible said that it's only permitted for men to make love to other men, would you just say "hm, okay" and adjust your sexual orientation to homosexuality? Just like that? Would you spend the rest of your life in misery of denying that you're attracted to women just to make God happy? If that's the case, you make me sad.
Lukas Vychopen People get tempted by all sorts of sexual temptation especially today with media and pornography. Vicky has bitten the apple or taken the bait of the evil one. God has a clear view on this subject . Anyone who supports homosexuality also invites God's wrath. I never made the rules as I am created and He the Creator. Love sometimes has to be tough !
Philo A good Jewish Philosopher that lived in Jesus time line 20 BC - AD 40 If the prohibitions of the Levitical Holiness Code informed its meaning, arsenos koiten condemns shrine prostitution, based on the context of Lev 18 & 20. Philo lived at the same time Jesus lived. During the life of Christ, Philo understood Moses, in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, to be condemning shrine prostitution. Philo's understanding that the arseno-koit stem refers to shrine prostitution is 2000 years old. It is not a modern argument from gays and lesbians. Instead, it is the common first century Jewish viewpoint. Gays did not invent this viewpoint and because it did not originate with gays, it is not historical revisionism by gays seeking an alibi for our sin. If the arsenokoit stem from Leviticus 20:13, arsenos koiten, gave us the Greek word Paul used in 1 Cor 6:9 (most anti-gay Christians believe Paul borrowed the word from the Septuagint translation of Lev 18:22 and 20:13), then under-standing arsenokoites as a reference to shrine prostitution was the common first century view when Paul used the word in 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 Romans 1. Because the NIV did such a lousy job and mistranslated the Greek word, arsenokoitai, many people concluded that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. If the NIV translators had bothered to study instead of just going by what the Greek lexicons say, the gay community could have avoided a lot of pain and heartache. Arsenokoitai has never been a reference to a lesbian couple or a gay male couple. Instead, in the first century, arsenokoitai referred to shrine prostitution or rape or having sex with angels. That is the behavior Paul described when he used the Greek word, (arsenokoitai shrine temple prostitution )which were from both genders when Pauls teaching was expressing woman left natural order was in refference to (arsenokoitai Shrine prostitution) heterosexual took part in it too not just gays. Bible had errors mere men and writters of said Bible wether John Wycliffe or King James said on terms of a dressing homosexual it was thier OPINIONS MERE MEN'S OPINIONS today's bible derived from John Wycliffe and King James Also Did you know they had REMOVED GODS NAME 7000 TIMES in the bible replacing it with titles such as God, Lord and King these were the many errors found in the bibles today. I am not a Christian I don't want to fall in a religion that Hurst and mentally scars someone. I AM IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH YEHSUA Jesus christ and I love him more then any of you would imagine I give praise to my God mostly every night with my piano playing. Being bullied by some christians that think gays wrong empowered me to be strong and loving even more. I LIVE BY THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT Which is LOVE, Joy Peace and longsuffering. My longsuffering is being scared of who I am cause on thoughts I might get beat up or murdered just for me loving someone.
Michael, very well said! If only others would spend the time to study the Bible as you have, then they would see how wrong the church has interpreted many passages. Most anti-gay Christians I ask admit their opinion on homosexuality was derived from a pastor or teacher, and not from their own study of God's word. This lack of "fact checking" contributed to the church's condonement of slavery in the south.
+Michael “Magic Lion” Mullen your close to the kingdom but not close enough. You have studied the bible but do not understand it as you read it like a normal book. it's not a history book which means everything said was meant for the time it was said in. When you have the Holy Spirit living in you then God has given you the mind of Christ to understand how the bible is a living word that shows everything and explains everything that takes place from the time when the old testament was written to today, the Word of God is timeless.even to today, It is history, It is Poetry, It is Prophecy, but more than that it is up to date and living! Mathew 24:35 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away.
+Bob Radford I love your kind words and I do not disagree but know this I'm not here to argue I'm here to love You and other Even if some may consider me a wolf in sheep's clothing and or call me harsh names my friend I'm here to Love all even if my life ain't going the way as I planned I keep my Love strong for all and it's makes me become better towards my dad that does not Like gays and towards people who try to persecute me. I Remember Jesus christ traveled down this same path but in a different story I remember him Loving one another him being hurt and bullied and persecuted as well. I then look at my life and see it through his eyes and know that my life in it self ain't bad. Love you friend Keep God and love and peace in your heart Cause God Has plans for all even me A sexually open minded Guy that is tired of all the hate and bloodshed tired of people hurting each other we should look to the bible for inspiration to find God use the good not the bad out of it. Love is above the law and we should all walk in Love so I ask of you this one thing LOVE one another as you love yourself I'm tearing up cause this is my heartfelt message to You and to all who read this.
Mountain Man, and all who say it's okay to be gay, can we use the fruit standard to consider this matter? Even if you don't believe the Scriptures are inspired by God or the standard interpretation ( I acknowledge there are some word mis-translations but it shouldn't be attacked to push an agenda), what of the NATURAL INCOMPATIBILITY AND CONSEQUENCES of homosexual behaviour? Was the human body meant to be exposed to flames or drugs? The proof is in the eating of the pudding. How do gay people make love? Does it show a reasonable plan? As a married person who wonders at the amazing way God fit out the male and female body to align in intimacy, I wonder why we can think God would want the strange contortions required of gay coupling. He is an orderly God. Be sincere if you have a problem but do not accuse God of being the author of confusion. Same genders dont have any rhythm in love making. This alone is a sure sign. Romans 1 tells you nature speaks for God. Rom 1:19 They know everything that can be known about God, because God has shown it all to them. Rom 1:20 God's eternal power and character cannot be seen. But from the beginning of creation, God has shown what these are like by all he has made. That's why those people don't have any excuse. Rom 1:21 They know about God, but they don't honor him or even thank him. Their thoughts are useless, and their stupid minds are in the dark. Rom 1:22 They claim to be wise, but they are fools. Rom 1:23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles. Rom 1:24 So God let these people go their own way. They did what they wanted to do, and their filthy thoughts made them do shameful things with their bodies. Rom 1:25 They gave up the truth about God for a lie, and they worshiped God's creation instead of God, who will be praised forever. Amen. Rom 1:26 God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural. Rom 1:27 Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and had strong desires for sex with other men. They did shameful things with each other, and what has happened to them is punishment for their foolish deeds. Rom 1:28 Since these people refused even to think about God, he let their useless minds rule over them. That's why they do all sorts of indecent things.
Ita Udoh and what interpretation if it's the NIV and ot any other translation from THE king James version I'm sorry but you are Reading the wrong Highly misinterpreted bible.
She was never saved and now seeks to justify her sin. They gave him no real chance to respond because they knew he was right. What a sad, sad wretch of a woman.
+mosichat Scott is heart broken. He doesn't hate cause he's telling her the truth so she won't go to hell. He sounds like a hater cause he hates the sin she is blinded by. But Truly he loves her; thats why he patiently and HONESTLY replies to the questions.
How can you be a Christian and dismiss the spiritual realm 3:55-4:02. Jesus revealed the will of the Father and cast out demons all day long. He who sins is of the Devil for the devil has sinned from the beginning for this purpose the Son of God was manifested to destroy the works of the Devil(1John3:8). The Bible clearly teaches that if you living in sin a devil is living in you. Plain and simple truth.
+Micah Frey Mathew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathers not with me scatters abroad. Because she will not repent of her perverted lifestyle, she stands against the word of God. That makes her an enemy of the cross because she is misleading others to believe that God condones her lifestyle when He does not. You may be sincere toward God, but your sincerely wrong if you cannot see this woman is willful and not willing to be disciplined by God. Hebrews 12:6 or those whom the Lord loves He disciplines: and He scourges every son whom He acknowledges." You still think she is not an enemy, well she is if she continues the way she is.
And do you eat pork? The Bible says not to do that. Do you eat shellfish? Do you believe it is right to keep slaves, God encourages that in Leviticus Why major on this one aspect. I'm not gay and I am a Christian, which gives me empathy with people, such as Vicky, who has tried hard to deny her feelings, causing illness and loneliness. We must have compassion, Christ did.
Wow this confuses me???? But I am sure she spent her life confused as I did. Just not about the same kinds of things. Its painful sometimes to reconcile with the Bible but not really painful to reconcile with God......He lets me say the N word now..... NO !
I'm undecided about gay marriage; I thought civil partnership was perfectly fine. Vicky has been brave and honest, but I did think she interrupted the pastor a bit too much. However I wish her well.
WAKE UP! You have absolutely no reason to be. Homosexuals shall not enter the kingdom of God. This word is used twice in the New Testament; in the text we are examining as well as I TIMOTHY 1:10. It denotes one who would take the leading role in a homosexual relationship. It is not fashionable today to suggest that such activity is unrighteous and will keep one out of the kingdom of God, but that is what the Covenant of Jesus Christ says. Practicing homosexuality will keep one from entering heaven. “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). “But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted” (1 Timothy 1:8-11). If you disregard what the Word of God has already condemned, you are not a "christian." There is no room for YOUR opinion. If you still can't make up your mind, that is a very bad sign. You wish her well? Your wishes are in vain. She is on the path of destruction, and all you can do is wish her well? Christ has offered us a way of salvation, and she has clearly strayed from the truth and succumbed herself into a delusional lie that God is somehow okay with her sinful behavior, and willful rebellion and you wish her well? Your wishes are nothing but garbage. You're not undecided about gay marriage, you're undecided on whether or not you want to follow Jesus Christ 100%, with no compromise to His truth or whether to mix in a few lies in their to lessen our call as believers. If you can't makeup your mind after reading what the WORD has already made clear to you in regards to homosexuality than I don't know what else to tell you other than what you are is a weak testimony of who Christ is.
+I Bethany I. Bethany, you REALLY need to do your homework!! The word "homosexual" wasn't even in the Bible until 1942. Do you even know the Greek word it replaced?! Stop believing everything your pastor says and GO STUDY IT FOR YOURSELF!!!!
This is the true. The Word of God totally condems homosexually and lesbianism as a sin. In the book of Romans 1:26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. They are others passages that talk about this sin also. Many people will try to enter heaven their own way but the Word of God is clear. I pray that Vicky and others that have comment on this video come to the knowledge of the truth of God. Blessings.
So basically she deceived everyone so she could make money from songs she wrote for the church to sing. She never really believed in them because on the inside she believed something completely different. In conclusion she needed to extract as much money as she could by way of deceiving her audience that she was the same as them before coming "out". Isn't she such a wonderful role model for the whole of humanity, NOT!! Check out American Greed she should get a spot on that show....
The average Christian is beyond clueless about these issues. The LGBT community is PROPHECY fulfilled. This is a great sign. Yeshua's arrival is coming.
God still loves her, but His Word is clear about His standards. Sin exists and is the reason Christ came. In both the Old and New Testament it is clear that marriage is between a man and a woman. We live in an age of freewill which is fine, but one cannot claim to be a follower of Christ and live your own way. It is a contradiction to be in ministry and live in sin.
Vicky is too emotional and is letting her feeling overpower her character. A complete bash piece of the pastor. This is what we all have to look forward to when the truth is spoken. Asked a question, trying to answer calmly - you get no say.
when i see things like this, when i look at the world and see what the world is changing into, i can only pray and sing in this season of Advent Oh Come oh come Emmanuel
Well science gave you the internet that you are rambling on. At least medical science can fight cancer whereas god seems to care too little to intervene with a child who has a tumor ravaging their body.
you cant be a gay Christian in Christianity. If you don't like it then, its not for you. Come back when your ready to address your flesh. God is not going to change his word for sin. We have to work on our sin, God is not changing the bible to make sin suit you. The is false teaching and not the way it works.
That's like saying, ''okay, I'm boasting that I'm a murderer. I even take pride in it. But bless God, I am a Christian.'' You see, it doesn't make any sense.
+Justin Osborne One can live a continual lifestyle and be a carnal Christian but they are not Born Again. A Born Again Bible believing, Spirit Filled and saved from the wrath of God to come a true Christian believer.
She is stunning on many levels - and you know what, if she says she's homosexual and Christian then I believe her. She said she was born homosexual, that she did not choose it, and I totally believe her. We as Christians must tweak our theology to accommodate gay people who want to serve God's risen champion.
yesterday, today and forever God is the same. he never changes
She is so well spoken and somehow managed to stay calm addressing this hateful and disrespectful person. I have so much respect for her.
Visual Mind he said nothing hateful at all. They both frequently interrupted him. The truth that sodomy is a sin is what hurts a guilty conscience.
How was he hateful and disrespectful? I have so much respect for him sticking to biblical teachings despite it's unpopularity and showing patience, compassion, and love to her even though she wouldn't let him finish his sentence.
@@BibleBelieverUK The truth is that I don't care what you and your religion consider a sin. I don't believe in hate :)
He is a piece of sh*t and I'm not even trying to say that in a nicer way because it's just not worth it.
@@lynette7369 Please read Vicky's book :)
@@VisualMind No thanks. I don't think I would learn much. I already know the argument. I've heard it many times.
Vicky I just want to thank you for speaking out. My life changed because of your testimony.
you're gay and christian?
Seems fairly obvious that Lively is himself a repressed homosexual, which perhaps goes a long way to explaining why he is completely *obsessed* with gay sex.
Either that (and it's highly possible), or he's a cheat and a n0nce. 5:17 what's the betting some of those 'women' to whom he talks about being attracted are underaged/minors or in some way vulnerable? We've seen enough from religious male preachers & clerics over this last Millennium to know that they cannot be trusted with treating women or children like equal human beings with rights. This man has a very creepy and shifty vibe...
Why is homosexuality banned when Leviticus also tells us not to eat sea food, not to eat pork, to have slaves. Why do we not listen to those parts of the bible but major on sexuality. So many things in the Bible we ignore, but we major on this one issue. Vicky became very ill as a result of trying to get over her feelings, she cannot change any more than I, as a hetorosexual, could become a lesbian.
Marguerite Lipscomb Old Testament las is done away with in the New Testament. The sin of sodomy is still a sin (Romans 1). She, and indeed nobody, is born gay. She gave into her lust. Nothing more, nothing less. She now tries to desperately justify it. Like all sinners do.
I can’t stand that ‘reverend’. What a disgrace!
The first non jewish Christian was an ethiopian eunuch!
eunuch are not Gay, they are asexual
...love Vicky’s courage...an inspiration
“God loves all of us. He loves those of different faiths and those without any faith. He loves those who suffer. He loves the rich and poor alike. He loves people of every race and culture, the married or single, and those who experience same-sex attraction or identify as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. And God expects us to follow His example.”
I love that.
“And God expects us to follow his example.”
We don’t follow his example by ensuring that we’re on the clear other side of the chapel from that gay member or by talking behind his back. We follow his example by pulling up a seat right next to him and figuring out how to be his friend. We follow God’s example by not treating that person differently than we might treat others. We follow God’s example by being “no respecter of persons.” We follow God’s example by recognizing that each of us have challenges.
I was just getting ready to use her song Break My Heart for a worship song. Then I found this on youtube. She's openly defying the living God and arguing her excuse. This verse quickened my spirit. "What sorrow for those who say that evil is good and good is evil, that dark is light and light is dark, that bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter." Isaiah 5:20
Its clear from reading most of the comments here that Christianity is synonymous with bigotry and hatred of the worst kind, how do you think non Christians read this? I can tell you it looks like complete lunacy, its disgusting that in 2014 we still have to share a planet with people using religion as an excuse to display their own vile evil behaviour. Good luck to Vicky, I think she's not only a shining example of humanity, but an extremely brave and courageous woman, and if there is a classic example of what it should mean to be true Christian look no further than her.
"you don't have to agree with someone to be able to love that person"
Best thing Vicky said on this video. I fully agree on that.
Love you Vicky. And wish you well. You seem a goregeous woman and a very sweet person. I was deeply moved when I read your story and heard abot your struggles ...Yet, I do disagree with your choice of embracing homosexuality as your identity. I'm sorry you encountered so many difficulties during your young years. (I wish you had found a place that felt safe enough, within the church, to be able to open up to others about your struggles....). I know you have tried to open up and have had even people pray for you. Needless to say, from how you describe that, I can only agree it must have been a traumatic experience....None-the-less, I know God can change people who struggle with sexual orientation issues. Sometimes God chooses to do things fast, or instantly. But Usually it takes a longer process. It can be a long way to freedom. ... and a narrow path to walk. But it is well worth, and it leads to life. I wish you all the best, Vicky. May you find that narrow path. May God bless you. May his will be done in your life.
Nobody chooses their sexual orientation and it is part of their identity. The only choice anyone who is LGBT has is to be honest or to hide in the closet. There are over 6 million Christians alive today who are LGBT. None of them will become heterosexual.
For 40 years Christians who were LGBT tried calling themselves "ex-gay" but in 2013 ex-gay leaders admitted no ex-gay Christian became hetero during the 40 years of "change" claims. They closed every major ex-gay ministry.
That is a lie! There are testimonies of ex LGBT everywhere and what they are saying is true. Jesus Christ has the power to deliver and set free all those who seek Him with willing hearts. In the beginning God created man male and female. Biology confirms this. There is no gay gene. It is a stronghold of the enemy, and it can be broken in Jesus's name!
Rusty Writer Vicky life has changed because you know why she mad that decision with God
@ No-one should be asking gay Christians to be straight. They should be asking them to be _chaste_
She has known Jesus personally for many years, and yet her life did not seem to jibe with him in this crucial area. The freedom and confidence you hear in her voice is a person who has, after a long period of bitter reflection, embraced reality despite what seems to be a contradiction to the Bible and her faith. This is the living God at work.
Such garbage. They didn't even let the guy talk. Whether you're for or against, that's just blatant disrespect.
I think it was bc the interview was obviously timed. Vicky was cut off as well a couple times, in case you didn't notice.
Kv Denko The guy is a known dirtbag whom most people roll their eyes when they see talk because he's stupid. I bet this guy is a closet homosexual. Because no grown heterosexual man goes overseas to promote the death penalty for gays like this homosexual man in the video.
+Kv Denko And a crystal clear sign of their agenda, if you weren`t already familiar with it.
Kv Denko agreed
He was spouting hateful bigoted rubbish, and would have gone on yammering away forever about conversion therapy and Hellfire or whatever had he not been cut off. Also, it's television, there's limited time for anyone to speak, and cues have to be followed from the prompter.
Vicky Beeching's Song, "Yesterday, today, and forever", was and is still such a blessing to me. It's my Prayer that many of these western Ministers get to encounter the real person of Jesus and all questions about life will be answered.
The lack of kindness appals me. I have no comment about the Old Testament but am sure Jesus would embrace warmly someone as caring and devout as Vicky Beeching irrespective of her sexuality, which she has no control over whatsoever.
Romans 1: 18-32
+Geof Kaley You need a baptism in the Holy Ghost to sort out your wishy washy idea of who Jesus is and His father God who is HOLY!!!
Geof Kaley My mom told me that the Bible says that Homosexuality is an abomination against God. And she also told me that it's lust not love that the Homosexuals feel for one and other..... At least that's what she told me...😶😶
8th_chariotrider_of_888,888 That is where your completely wrong, ahe can control it she's just giving in to it too easily I'll pray to God to help her over come it, but God DEFINITELY DID NOT MAKE HER THAT WAY, NOT AT ALL. If God really controls all of how we all feel about people and things, that the world wouldn't be so friggin screwed up as it is already... I'm just saying not hating.😅😅
This beautiful woman wrote the song Deliverer that we sang on Sunday! A wonderful song that actually talks about deliverance! I'm not lying or mincing my words when I say I HATE the devil with an absolute PASSION right now!!!! Vicky we love you we really do sweetheart but you need deliverance sweetie! The Bible is not changing just cause you've convinced yourself of a lie for long enough! Thank God for the responding preacher who took his stance and loved her in this interview but said sorry sweetie homosexuality is a sin!
Now that you understand she is deceived, will you continue to sing her song? Will your church? You spoke with so much love and conviction for the truth. Please speak again...thanks.
amen - we love you but we can't lie and say the lifestyle is ok
God has turned her over to a reprobate mind but God can still use her because she's gonna do what God called her to do whether she's living in sin or not. I pray that God has mercy on her and restores her to her right mind.
How sad that you have this view. Alot of artists in the Church are gay. Most hide this. Because of "Christians" like you.
Oh my goodness. I have never heard a more awful, patronising comment. Open your mind, do you really think she would have chosen to have this path and all the suppressed pain? You, are an ignorant idiot and unfortunately all.too.common in the Christian world. Read her book and grow some compassion.
Been gay is not a temptation. It's who you are. I hate when thease heterosexual people judge people that don't fit into their paradigm.
God is compassion.
Vicky, you say you love the church and want to be part of the change within it. The church of Jesus Christ does not need to be changed or conformed to the world's liberal ideology. The church needs to continue to abide in God's holy word and that includes the Lord's stance on same-sex relations. Jesus was very clear that God made them "male and female," the MAN should leave his father and mother to cleave to his WIFE. No mention of male with male or female with female unions (except to say those who do such things have left the natural use of the opposite sex for that which is against nature.) In the OT they were commanded to stone such practitioners, as God's call to his people was "be ye holy as I am holy". There are lots of liberal views and arguments using select scriptures which attempt to prove homosexuality acceptable to God. But you only have to go back to the beginning as Christ did to find God's will for marriage. God does not change his mind about the things he calls sin. Do not be deceived. All of this might sound unloving, but I assure you the unloving thing to do is NOT to warn those who profess to be in Christ that they are in error. Those outside of the church God judges, but those who call themselves a brother are to be pulled from the fire, says James. Yes, the unloving thing to do is to walk away and let them be swept away in their deceptions. God surely loves you, and every one of us. After all, Christ died for the ungodly. But Christ came to set us all free from sin, not to forgive and encourage us to continue in it. If we are his we must agree with him rather than our own feelings. Our desires are deceptive. We must even agree with his definition of marriage, male and female.. as he made them in the beginning with the command "be fruitful and multiply." Same sex couples cannot multiply because God did not make them to do so. He didn't even make the anus to lubricate the way a vagina does during stimulation (not to be blunt) and science proves how damaging the former is to those who practice it. Our heavenly Father knew exactly what he was doing when he created their bodies in the beginning. Let us honor him in living the way he prescribed. God be with you and give you sight.
Being gay is not a sin. God made everyone in his image and likeness, and God makes no mistakes. The sin is acting on the temptations that homosexuals have to face. Many homosexual people live a celibate life and are perfectly amazing Christians. People who say she is a sinner for BEING gay is absolutely misguided. God loves everyone.
There's a difference between "being" gay and "performing" gay acts.You can't control who you like. God loves every person, no person made is a mistake. But acting on those urges is a choice you make and that is the sin. Someone who likes to opposite sex but chooses to remain celibate their entire lives will be living according to God's rules. Ask a priest about it - I am a devoted Catholic and I have spoken to priests about this. And only God judges, not us.
archeyangel1 Demons influence a person to like the same sex...even if the individual is very young. Demons attach. It's truly demonic. That is why Christ came to cast out the homosexual spirits. That is why one must be born again. It doesn't matter what your priest says. Are you going to let your priest send you to hell? It only matters what the Bible says. And God's word calls it an abominable sin.
+Great Grace I don't know where you got your information. We must also trust the church in helping us to properly interpret gods word into the bible. I feel like you are misinterpreting the bible. The bible said it is a sin if a man lay with another man, and a woman lay with another woman. Hence, the actions that gay people perform. And Jesus came for all sinners.
I get my info from the bible and the Holy Spirit empowers me to preach it and teach it. Not watered down, not filtered through a man. I don't see why it's so shocking to you to come across someone who teaches the bible. These are facts, not opinions.
I'm gay and I'm scared to go out a date cause of what many Christians including my dad thinks I cry every night Trying to pray the Gay away it doesn't work these people who use Bible as a weapon of choice need to know the Fruits of the spirit which is love, Joy Peace and longsuffering I for one have a bunch of love for other even to ones that don't agree with me I love all. I have the joy in knowing A God out here cares for me and wants to protect me from harm theses christians don't realize how damaging it is to one such as me to love on fears of what of God will send me to hell and become for ever burned in hell fire cause of my love life. I have peace understanding that I have Yehsua to Guide me and it's made me a better and more spiritual person. My longsuffering is Whitnessing first hand what gays go through and I'm a part of that crowed that wants our voices heard.
Great respect and God's arms around you, Vicky. I must honestly say, I used to be one of the - sadly still many - christians that judged homosexuality as 'not good in Gods eyes' . When one of our sons told us he is gay - at least ten years ago now - I was unknowing and not understanding then. Thanks to God, we have kept supporting and loving our son. Gradually we learned more. Though I am still sometimes struggling emotionally with it, I know inside - and outside ;-) - God is absolutely loving Him as much as any other person.
And he has stayed in church, though our church has in my vision still a way to go in acceptance and equally treating homosexual people .
I almost finished your book Undivided. Thank you for having had the courage and love to write it and to do the so many other things to make people think and learn about homosexuality.
I really hope and pray God will use me too, to help the church grow in this area.
Respect and God's love.
You're a good parent. Mine are still stuck in the dark ages
so answer this for me when did a heterosexual make the choice to be heterosexual?
exactly. I know I was attracted to boys long before I knew what sex WAS or even that boys had different parts than girls! Third grade I had a crush on a boy in our class, not on any of the girls. I just knew. I know it is the same way for my gay kids, they just knew.
he's just trying to say what the bible says and she is trying to tear him down for it - its not even his opinion - he is just stating what the bible says - he's a brave guy - I'd love to see her get healed would be a much better message
Joy Molyneux you have to be joking right?....first off if you are Christian then there is no discussion. Jesus never talked about homosexuality. He preached love and compassion for everyone
Its sad how having an opinion that does not endorse homosexuality is often seen as homophobic and associated with hatred, some LGBT advocates often trivialise this discussion by making it seems as if their view is an obvious truth that should not be questioned - there is a rising intolerance (how ironic) towards those who do not endorse homosexuality and a wrong view that any one who does not see the 'obviousness' or the 'normalcy' of homosexuality is backward, how wrong - People should be open for respectful dialogue and understand one another's points of view and accept that even after dialoging we may have different views - in this discussion Vicky who at certain stages in my life has been a favourite musician has an unbiblical view of things - a Ph.D only means you are advancing in research after your Masters degree on a particular subject, it does not say that you have grasped or even covered every aspect of the theology... so the Ph.D statement is not worth much in my eyes - I am not against Vicky, but certainly do no agree with her view of homosexuality or temptation in general.
+KingPB M
your opinion is yours. she has a right to live her life happily, if you hate her for that then fine. You can cling to the old testament rule book version of God but Vicky believes in the loving and forgiving God of the new testament
+supererik man , it looks like you didnt read my post. you're missing the point completely. Anyway My views are based on the new testament and not the old (i think its pretty clear in the new testament) what do you base your views on... which scriptures in particular? God loves all people, homosexual or not, but the increased intensity of our battles with the flesh do not change God's view on things. We ought to be humble before God's word and accept that these things baffle us - then will we receive mercy in our times of need. I don't judge Vicky, but i disagree with that a theology is based on how on how she/me/you feels.
+supererik man If she wants to live as a Lesbian thats one thing but to promote that God loves her like that is very,very,wrong.
Bob Radford
no it isnt
Did God give instructions about homosexuality or did humans? unless God came and told you himself all you are doing is believing in a very gender skewed book that was written by man alone, with emphasis on the MAN no woman. the only good takeaway from that bible is its focus on love which is the exact opposite these religious Christians are capable of.
The Pastor is right and Vicky is wrong. He was gracious in his approach and spoke the truth in Love. God and His Word (The Holy Bible) does not change with time or culture. He calls homosexuality, adultery, fornication, lying, stealing, idolatry, pride, unforgiveness etc. sin and that those who engage in it CANNOT inherit the Kingdom of God. I have been in that category myself and I had addictions to sexual sin but I had to fight the urge and surrender to Jesus and I was delivered. It is down to your free will. If you allow Him, Jesus will set you free. God bless you all.
This "Rev." Scott Lively is an ignorant man. I am a Christian myself and he goes about this in every way wrong.
When you place LAW before LOVE you have misunderstood the teachings of christ. You rally against this girl, because of misunderstanding. Like much of Christianity and religions in general. Humanity has misunderstood, misinterpreted and manipulated the masses. Whether you agree or disagree with the Lesbian or Gay lifestyle, it matters little. What matters is wether you LOVE. You might say, I love her, but not the lifestyle. That is simply a cop out to deflect away the obvious fact that you are placing law before love. Do you remember what Christ said to those teachers of the law? He called them White Washed Walls. If you place LAW before LOVE you are exactly the type of people Jesus would have said this to. Love Vicky, she is first and foremost a person with feelings. What she did was an incredibly courageous thing to do. You might say, well God doesn't like it. Well my friend, I would say this... is God stopping it? I don't see any deity stepping in to stop it. The only ones moaning about it are PEOPLE who have misunderstood scripture. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE prevails. That is all that matters. Well done Vicky Beeching! God Loves you!
Jonathon Mills great comment!
An open rebuke is real love. If you condone sinful practice, you are leaving the person to the devil and you cant call that love
@@ramrocker1004 Amen
God is HOLY Holy Holy not love love love. It is easy to see who hasn’t got a good argument the one who blocks any argument against there view. I don’t know how someone can say that they love scripture and ignore it’s clear teaching. The love that must be placed above all else is to love the lord your God with all your heart soul mind and strength and secondly to love your neighbour as yourself. Jesus said that if you love me you would obey my commands.
The logical conclusion if you say you are what you’re heart desires is that pedophelia is fine because that’s who I am . Beastiality is ok because I love animals sexually and that’s fine because that’s how God made me. To make nothing sinful is to make the substitutionary death of Jesus pointless. This is love that while we were still sinners Christ died for us rarely for a good man might someone dare to die but God demonstrates his love for us in while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. We are called to deny ourselves take up our cross daily and follow Jesus. In Romans chapter one we see that homosexuality is a result refusing to Glorify God as he ought to be glorified. This should help us fall to our knees as the tax collector in Jesus parable and cry out to God to have mercy on us a sinner. God wiped soddom and Gamorra of the map mostly because of sodomy . God wiped out the whole human race except for Noah and his family because the wickedness of man had become so Great.We can not understand the love of God until we understand the Holiness of God.
Hate speech is not telling someone the truth.
STUNNING GIRL
I'm bisexual and I just am finding it quite difficult at the moment to be bisexual and Christian. It's like I have to choose one or the other. I would have loved to find a nice man to marry but I can't and I realized I am actually attracted to both sexes.
I do see where you’re coming from . I think that there’ll be somebodies out there for you .
she's got a lot of strength to get up there and be his punching bag, love ya Vicky so does Jesus.
Jacklyn Szabo Jesus loves Vicky too, and wants her to love him back. If Vicky truly loves Jesus, she would never give in to her homosexual desires, but instead she would surrender it all to Christ who overcame every power of sin. Vicky, Jesus is waiting- will you heed his call?
Lilian Kabelle And just what does that mean, "give in to her homosexual desires"? She doesn't have a partner. Just how is she "giving in" to her desires? She is as chaste as (probably more so than) most heterosexual Christians. THEY kiss before marriage. THEY even kiss in *public*. THEY slow dance together and do all kinds of things that are "giving in" to their sexual desires. Yet, you don't say a word about that? Why? Admit it, it's because you have a personal bias against gay people, and you're using God to justify your prejudice. Are you married, Lilian? Did you indulge in sexual sin by having feelings for your husband before marriage? Did you indulge your lust by kissing before marriage? And here's a thought experiment for you: Imagine it was the other way around. Being heterosexual is sinful, but being gay is not. Would YOU change? And how would *I* know you had changed? Maybe you are secretly still wanting a relationship w/ a man in your heart, but you keep that to yourself b/c you know your family, church, friends, and co-workers would tell you you need to give your life to Jesus (which you've already done) and he will give you the power to overcome your sinful desires. How does that feel?
Donna Brooks Even though kissing in public might be a sin, i'm not so sure about that though, it doesn't make homosexuality alright.
+Donna Brooks Actually she does have a partner, according to a recent interview I read.
+Donna Brooks - Feelings, attractions, temptations, etc. are not sin. Giving into them is. Christians are new creations (2 Cor. 5:17) who are still in a corruptible container that will be changed (1 Cor. 15:53)! If Vicky is battling against these things, as all those in Christ do to one extent or another, than you are right. However, from listening to her in this video, it seems like she is defending her same-sex attraction as being not only sanctioned by God, but as a "gift" from Him. Maybe I missed the part where she said that she is chaste and not acting on her same-sex attraction.
So sad... What I see is a woman who doesn't want to submit herself to the Word of God and seems to cling more to her PhD. You don't even need a PhD to understand the Word. You just need the Spirit who guides us in all truth. Sadly, she's showing to have an appearance of godliness but denying its power (2tim3). :( May God rescue her and open her eyes! Only He can help her!
That is right, it takes zero intelligence to believe what you are told without question.
"My sister was a lesbian" I assumed she must have passed ...
I took from that that his sister is now set free in Christ!
@@VW777 so she says, or she could just be hiding in the closet like other Christians do
What he wanted to say is, "she's dead to me." Creep. He doesn't deserve a lesbian sister, or any loving sibling for that matter.
cant wait till this mans sister gets sick of pretending shes not a lesbian and messes up his whole point of view
Lizete Carapinha no kidding!
She is such a wonderful inspiration and courageous example. Xx
Wow! Well done Vicky for standing your ground. Scripture is a living work of God therfore it cannot be cemented into doctrine. Additionally he is not quoting at all from the New Testament.
By her definition its her theology
The song :"Wonder of the cross" has been a blessing to me. Jesus overcame the power of our sin on the cross. And if Vicky really believes that- then she wouldn't give in to her passions. Being christian means being Christ-like, following him no matter what and letting him carry our burdens. Giving in to our weaknesses (including homosexuality- tough one that is I know), is like saying that Christ is not strong enough or his death did not overcome that, thus trampling on his cross. The Bible is very clear on homosexuality- and overlooking those warnings would not be wise. Do not be deceived, you cannot serve God and homosexuality- the Bible is very clear on that.
I love Vicky Beeching and her music has been such a blessing for me. It's just sad to know that the powerful lyrics in her own songs, especially on the wonder and power of the cross, are not as ministering to her.
One message to Vicky: the power of the cross is stronger than you can imagine. Don't give up on Christ. by giving in to homosexuality, you are turning away from Christ. That is the painful and bitter truth. If you truly love Christ, you will listen to what he says on homosexuality.
Lilgal lily If you truly know Christ Vicky, you would know his will and heart. Remember, he says,
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven" Matthew 7:21.
You don't wanna take the warnings in the Bible lightly. You either choose Christ or you dont.
I still love Vicky though, and her songs are a blessing.
lilian, your words would be so true and so sweet if homosexuality actually WERE a choice. But who in their right mind would choose something that leads to being ostracized and even beaten and killed?!? Most are born that way.
+Mountain Guy You are right. In fact, all men are born sinners- radically depraved and dead in sin. But once one is TRULY born again, they are TRUE Christians and they are raised from the dead (spiritual)- thus being set free from the bondage of sin. Yes, the Christian is set free from sin but will battle with sin for the rest of his/her life. Battling to kill sin in one's life is a sign that the person is truly born again- they have seen the worth of Christ and fight with all they have (in the strength of the Spirit of course) to stay in love and live a life that's pleasing to him. The true Christian hates sin, and will fight it! But if someone claims to be Christian yet live in habitual sin and given in to it's pleasures, the Bible says they are lost!
So yes, being Christian is a sacrifice, it's a journey down the road of Calvary with Christ. One must count the cost of following Jesus- and that includes giving up the pleasures of homosexuality by clinging to the cross.
+Mountain Guy it's all about: do you love Jesus enough, do you see the worth of Jesus to be greater than all else, to forsake all else and follow him? If Vicky's answer to these were yes, she would keep fighting. But she loves sexual immorality over Christ. It's okay to struggle with sin, but giving in and living in sin is a sign that one still belongs to the darkness- and needs to come the the light.
I hope Vicky's heart will one day be struck by what she sings in "The Wonder of the Cross"- and that she will see Christ as far more beautiful, precious and worthy than homosexuality.
So based on Scripture, I wouldn't say she is born again.
Google Scott Lively...this guy is scary!
shes more scary coz she is the deceived one but comes across better which is scary
The bible is unmistakably clear that no homosexual will ever inherit the kingdom of God. Jesus said you cannot serve two masters. You are either the servant of sin, or you are the servant of God. Someone will say, "I was born gay." Well, it's good that you are familiar with the truth of being sinful by nature, now read John chapter 3 where Jesus says, "Ye must be born again." Jesus can save anyone from any sin, amen, and he is worthy of praise and worship!
Adiel, do you even read the Bible? You can't pick and choose what your going to follow ...do you eat shellfish? Leviticus 11:9-12 do you wear mixed fabric? Deuteronomy 22:11 do you plant two kinds of seed in the same field? Leviticus 19:19 Do you believe in Slavery...certainly allowed in the Bible? Exodus 21 Do you stone your disobedient son to death? Deuteronomy 21:18-21 Do you swear? Leviticus 24:16 and these are just a few ....The point is there are many things in the Bible we no longer adhere to out of pure human decency. I am beyond 100% positive that LGBT are born that way so telling them they "will never inherit the kingdom of God" is Cruel, Harmful and about as UnChristian as anything you could EVER say to them. Please educate yourself on these issues and choose your words better and soften the condemnation and judgement ...lives are literally at stake!
The guy in the US is quoting from a book of Jewish cultic religion to establish Christian principles. God thinks in the way the Jewish religion thinks!
Jesus loves ALL and ACCEPTS ALL. Why can’t people get this threw their head?
Jesus accepts all and loves all, but each person has to choose Him and accept that love. Once we have done that, we then live a life guided by what scriptures say.
Cathy Carty Yes. Which is Love and acceptance. 1.) Love God with heart soul and mind 2.) Love others.
God nor Jesus didn’t say love your neighbors particularly.
Vicky SLAYED!!! Way to stick to your guns girl.
good for you, dont let these other Christians bring you down, i myself am also a gay christian and ik it's hard, ive even had Christians say that my mom died cause i was a gay sinner and God saved her from an abomination but plz dont let people like that tell you God hates you or doesn't love you just because of the way he made you. Leviticus writings on homosexuality are old testament and its the only quotes they will ever use against you. love yourself cause Jesus and God would want you to. these people judge others and obviously dont understand what it means to be a real christian or how Gods love truly is.
I am so sorry that you have been deceived. Homosexuality is addressed in the new testament. Study Romans 1, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Revelation. God bless you. Jesus saves.
Corey Fitch no such thing as a gay Christian - the previous commentator is completely correct - there are plenty of New Testament references (Romans 1 especially) that explicitly state sodomy is a SIN.
She is definitely outside the will of God and refuses to admit it. She may as she says been born with it but we are ALL born sinners. We as followers of Christ do not give in to sin. We ALL have a "thorn in the flesh" as Paul talks about and struggle against it.
interesting to see so many homophobes and bible thumpers in one place. lol.
do what you want.... but leave Christianity out of your dirt
my dirt? lol okay.
+Karina Bertrand whatever. accept sin as sin. that might help. or leave Christianity....and go to the comfort place were they embrace sin.
+Karina Bertrand oh great embrace hell...just like you embrace gayness. i certainly want you to realize your sin and seek help from God.
one think you all have to understand, God's righteous law make you sinfill. not people like us. i am also scrutinized by same God's law. we all fall short of our mistakes. that's why we need Grace of God.
you have the freedom of choice. if you choose truth, you will be saved. if you reject truth and embrace wickedness.....you will face eternal darkness.
same rule is for me to....
dont be arrogant and fulfill your bodily desires. some people might accept you in this world. some people will warn you. some people will try to help you. but in the end you stand before Gods judgement.
hope to see favor in Holy God's eyes.
nothing is guaranteed in this world. everything is temporary. one war can destroy the entire nation. so dont this you have found the right answer to all your struggles.
if you dont believe in God ....then whatever i said will not make any sense. maybe to someone else who reads this comment.
GOD condemns homosexuality, you Bible hating diabolical ally of Satan.
We are not homophobic, you are an enemy of God
This is a disturbing video where they kept interrupting the pastor to shut him down so he could not respond with truth from God. YOU won't shut God down like that on judgement day. Argue all you like, God set the standard of PERFECTION.
That standard that no one can reach
I thought the way this pastor did, up until the past year. I became friends with more gay people, and saw that they acted more like Christ then most straight Christians I knew. I listened to their stories, I even started to study look at the verses, for myself, that Christians throw out there, to say that it's wrong. Most of the verses are taken out of context, and one of them... the english has been translated differently from the original greek. I still have conflicting thoughts, but I will never tell a gay Christian that they can't be saved or go to heaven. I wish Christians would at least listen, and love, and stop fighting.
So delusional. In what context do you see homosexuality mentioned in the new testament? 😂 Were all sinners no doubt, but to be saved is to accept it's a sin not live in your sin. Idk what research you have done but please read god's word more
I’ve ready pretty much the entire bible and I have read the verses multiple times, that people point to. I also looked at it from face value and I too thought it was wrong. But as I actually dug deeper... and saw more context... I changed my view point. Whether or not I’m right or wrong... my heart is truly to seek God and his heart of love. What I don’t understand, is that many Christian will look deep into some things, but not into something like this. But if you want to call me delusional you can.
@@KaraDep87 what exactly did you interpret it as when on multiple occasions it's written that homosexuality is a sin? 😂 I just don't get you people. There are certain verses that are up for interpretation but homosexuality isn't one of them. You can't justify your sin by saying I'm made that way.. were all born as sinners
@@kevinkotak7581 I'm talking about looking at the actual greek, and history of what was happening. But, it's ok. I really don't want to start an argument. I'm open to having a discussion, but I can't have a serious conversation, if someone is just going to laugh at me and say I'm delusional. There's also a verse about being puffed up with knowledge, and it means nothing if you don't have love. Even if I was wrong, at least try to talk to me out of a heart of love. I'm not here to convince anyone.
@@KaraDep87 okay I accept my mistake on that part but I mainly use the laughing emojis just so I don't seem too formal.
she doesn't come accross free at all - the brokenness is so evident - I'm not judging her at all - my sin is no better -but she so needs healing
God deeply loves the person but is holy and requires we repent from sin. All have sinned including me so not judging her. God destroyed two cities for homosexuality. Sin is sin whether you steal, murder, cheat, lie, or homosexuality. WHOEVER CONTINUES IN SIN WILL BE JUDGED BY GOD. Who ever repents from sin will be forgiven according to the word of God.
Preach it! Amen! Praise be to God!
well done Vicky God bless you I am reading your book Undivided it is confirming some things and helping my understanding - including questioning the church's stand on issues x
Through Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, he made a way for everyone to enter heaven. Doesnt matter if your black or white or gay or straight, Jesus' righteousness cleanses us all. In Luke 6:37, it says 'Do not judge and you will not be judged, do not condemn and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven'. Its all good and well him attacking her and arguing that shes being taken in by the devil but why isn't he following scripture? Its not our place to judge anybody, we will all go before God and he and only he will judge us.
Nope, also says judge righteous judgement. Sin is sin... we do not condemn her, the person... the act, the sin is condemned. If the sin is not condemned then we risk the devil wrecking havoc in the body of Christ. When homosexual thoughts come in your mind, like with any other temptation, you crush it...using the bible. Yes we are fighting against ourselves, it is called the eternal struggle between the new and old man. That is why being a Christian is not a joke. Its not easy to carry a cross, its not easy to bear a thorn in your side. Nice day.
Yes Jesus will judge us... it doesn't matter if you are black or white obviously. But it does matter if you are gay or straight. I'm really not sure how you can equate race and sexuality in regard to Christian morality. That is bizzare!
For crying out loud! With all the ugly, hateful and judgmental people in the world, no one in their right mind would CHOOSE to be homosexual.! I could no more be gay than a gay person could choose to be straight. You cannot force yourself to be something other than the way you are. I applaud Vicki for her courage and will continue to be inspired by her music.
And by the way, Jesus said if you look upon a woman lustfully other than your wife, you’ve already committed adultery. This reverend revealed he finds other women attractive but claims he’s righteous because he doesn’t act on it! According to the word, he’s just lied on TV! I find someone who stands in accusatory self righteous judgement of others to be very offensive. And not walking in the light of Jesus’s love. We all need Him!
My personal struggle is between me and my God. It’s not anyone else’s business.
Its never about what we think is right or wrong,its about what God says is right and wrong,and God's word is very clear on homosexuality,and it is the sin that God hates,not the person. Mercy is always available for those who repent,and YES,God can help you overcome your challenge, there is nothing too difficult for Him.
God loves her too, yes, but what she claims is rebellious and is not Biblically supported; she should leave the church, yes; using the name of Jesus and making money out of it is compromising His holy name; living this way is a life indeed, but in the old fleshly nature; the Pastor is right, in the new nature, when you are being born again from the Spirit, there are very strict family life rules;
Exactly, she's blatantly denying His Word is true and therefore she needs to leave the church. We need to boycott (I've never listened to any of theses Christian singers since Amy ______ (can't remember her name for good reason) who also was rebellious in her music and not a true Christian.
Did Jesus say it was wrong to be gay?
I don't think she should leave the church. She should be celibate and continue her ministry. That is what God wants for her.
I'm so happy you have spoken out about being gay.
Vicky you are an inspiration to gay people in the church of god all over the world
"church of god" = Satan.
Amen brother!
Fake Christians, we see right through you frauds.
Cheryl Meril Cheryl; I don't wanna fight you. But you are what gives Christianity a bad name. Just leave the poor women alone! Even if you don't agree Jesus said to love and not to Judge! You are breaking the greatest command of all time! Just stop yaself!!
I don't give Christianity a bad name, the lesbian out of her closet who claims to be a Christian does. How twisted you wicked evil people truly are. She betrayed Christians and Christianity, accepted Satan's temptation.
Is everyone here seriously forgetting that after Jesus died WE WERE NOT BOUND TO ALL THE RULES OF THE OLD TESTAMENT ANYMORE. If it wasn't, eating rare steak would be a sin and wearing clothes of mixed materials would be a sin plus many other now trivial things. Jesus taught love, and God IS love, so why would he outlaw certain kinds of love?
Romans 1: 18-32
1Bethany 1 ...1st of all; Do you assume that because you understand the Bible differently from others that they do not read the Bible? 2nd of all: you quoted the King James Version incorrectly it states "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind" The word Homosexuality is NOT even in that scripture so next! 3rd of all: 1 Corinthians 6:9 was written by Paul NOT JESUS! 4th why do you think you have the authority on what a homosexuality is or say what is Love?
'lesbianism'
"The great falling away"
2 Thessalonians 2:3
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
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She is part of the agenda, do not listen to her. If you are a Christian and think this is ok and going to do it because she did it then you are in serious trouble, you have asked for judgement and NOT redemption.
You guys are all hypocrites. You say that you are Christian or believe in God right? Well heres the thing. You are judging people. He did say judge and likewise be judged. You can speak the truth and how people live their lives is their ow business. I was raped by my older brother and by his friends. I was 11, didnt even understand what was going on. Needless to say it has turned me off guys. Now, is this a sin? That i see women in a different life because of past experience? Come on lets be reasonable. What they decide to do and how they live God will judge on judgement day. It is not for us. If you teach the Word truthfully, then how people take it is now up to them and not you.
+Havilah Rosie We are not allowed to judge the person but we are told to discern the truth from lies and to act in love by warning someone that what they are doing is harmful to them and against Gods will. Jesus said FIRST take the plank out of your own eyes and then you will be able to see clearly to remove the bit from another`s eyes. Its about not being a hypocrite and telling them out of love with humility and truth what the Word of God has told us.
What happened to you is beyond words and I`m so sorry to hear that you had to go through that, it was utterly evil. That evil has turned you away from men and understandably so, you must now see every man as those, even though it wasn`t because they were men but was because of their total lack of love and utter sexual depravity. So what you have done is seek what you need in the only thing left, women, whom you don`t see as those whom attacked you.
It is not a sin that you were turned off men because of your terrible experience and it is understandable that you seek a loving partner to become one with as that is how we are all created to be, the only issue is whether you choose that partner to be male or female. If you choose female then it is a sin because that is what God is telling us, he tells us things because they are what is right for us even though we at times may not understand the bigger picture but that's when we must have faith that He knows what is best and right for us in humility.
Then comes the decision to trust God over our own selves and do what He wants, not what seems right to us at that moment. Do I put my faith in Gods Word and seek, with His protection and guidance, praying for guidance to overcome and heal my trust issues with men and the damage caused by that evil attack straight from satan and to find a true Spirit filled God fearing and loving man that would seek to treat you like this:
1 Corinthians 13
or do I go my own way and let that evil act determine otherwise?
I say all this in love and because I care for you and want the best for you, even if you decide to reject what I say I pray you will understand my motivation and intentions are for you, not against you.
God bless you and yours.
But her parents dont agree with her perhaps she should convert her parents first
The Lord’s teachings are the sole Biblical standard to live by:
Whoever transgresses, and abides not in the doctrine of Christ, has not God. He that abides in the doctrine of Christ, he has both the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:9
Wow this is ironic. she writes a song that says "yesterday, today, and forever you are the same, you never change" and then she tries to convince herself that God doesn't abhor homosexuality.
this is sad.
How is that ironic? She doesn’t think He’s changed. She thinks God loves her regardless of her sexuality.
@@lizziegreen3434 The Bible says that "God does not desire that anyone should perish but that all should reach repentance"... The keyword there being repentance. The Bible also says "All homosexuals will have their part in the lake of fire".
Please understand, im not trying to be judgemental or condemning, I certainly have a lot of sins of my own... Maybe even more than her. But... I'm repenting and trying to turn away from them and that is the difference that the Bible distinguishes between a Child of God and an unbeliever.
@@Dyslexiasymtum123 firstly, i didn't respond to argue with you on your take of the bible, my point was, God is the embodiment of love he IS love and always does love. Therefore, regardless of your take on homosexuality, Vicky is quite right in thinking that God will always love her and the act of being gay is not the problem, maybe the acting upon it is . That being said, the Bible specifically says that the 'sexually immoral' will go to that place of fire etc, it doesn't actually say homosexuals in ANY version, so that is simply your perspective on it.
I noticed that she keeps on interupting the Pastor when he is speaking and obviously does not want to hear what he has to say. He was the oposite. Is it that she knows she is wrong?
i bless you sis in the name of Jesus for noticing that
He isn't wrong in terms of the bible. That's one of the biggest problems with religion.
+Marcus Rehn I guess it depends on your definition of "religion"., but Christianity is much, much more than "religion", it's a relationship.
+Kevin Schaefer It's much much more than a relationship too, It's having that relationship and the living the Born Again life to the letter and calling sin just what it is sin, wherever it pretends to be not so.
God has given us hte Spirit of Truth to discern Error and denounce it.
Bob Radford Defining the depth, quality and result of the relationship does not make it 'much much more than a relationship', I personally don't play one-upmanship but if doing so makes you feel more spiritual, have at it. You won't be getting any further response from me.
+Kevin Schaefer This woman believes she has a relationship, but if that relationship is not built on total submission to God's Word regardless of personal self interest like living a perverted lifestyle then that relationship is one sided and merely a delusion. This was my point not a personal attack on yourself Kevin.
+Bob Radford Because you don't seem to be getting it, I will retract my last statement and respond to you. I would like to remind you that my initial response in this thread was to Marcus Rhen and was regarding differentiating Christianity from religion. That was it. I was not addressing whether or not Vicky has a relationship with Christ. If you're going to address a response of mine, please stay on the topic. BTW, I in no way felt attacked. Barring a comment you made in a different thread above about being a Christian but not being born again (which is impossible. If you are one, you are also the other) we seem to be pretty much in agreement.
She fails to realize that we are all born into sin and under the dna death code, and we all need to be born again with His Spirit to become children of God and to overcome our lustful selfish sinful desires. That is what Jesus gave His life for, so we can have covenant relationship with God and live according to His will. Even nature prohibits procreation for gay people. The miracle of new life is ordained by God through union of the opposite sexes, so to say "God made me this way" is based on a selfish pride according wordly wisdom which is foolishness unto God. If you humbly submit to the will of God, He will give you the desires of your purified heart and find you an opposite sex partner that you will love and be affectioned towards to live a blessed and wholesome life. The demonic aspect is to buy into the lie, that you will somehow miss out when doing things God's way!
***** First of all they are not created in God's image so they don't have to comply with God's moral standards, and nature has a way of selecting them out since they can not procreate. We are called to rise above our animalistic urges, and to seek God's blessing of procreation and multiplication physically as well as spiritually. Amen?
Wow thank you god loves you so much
well, firstly, in Genesis, clearly said homosexual can not have marriages. why? Genesis 2: 22-24, God made a woman from the rib of man and the man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. She will be called 'woman'" then the man will leave his father and mother and join with his wife and they will become one flesh. in another word, a single man and a single woman is half, not one body. So if you married man with man, God sees you are just 2 half person, same as woman with woman, that is a sin just same as sexual immoralities. Now don't you ever wonder why would God not create another man for his (Adam's) comparable in the first place? of course, because the nature of man and woman are different, and can not be change. Definitely, they can not fill up each other and become a perfect body that God's want. Marriages is not about "I love you, You love me then let's get married or just produce children or you can fill up my weaknesses, no, but it's a creation of small world which God can be place as their King, or even Head Coach to spread his Kingdom.That is why Devil loves to break family Kingdom. Do you even understand why would God create this world? because God wants to create this world as His Kingdom if Human not fall in sin. Now, since Adam and Eve fall in sin, this world (earth) will never become His Kingdom. I found also in Genesis 19: 1-29 as a proof God disgust homosexual. Please do not assistance to ask me if you need question. God Bless You.
henny, Gen 19 is about Sodom, not homosexuality. The Bible NEVER lists homosexuality as a sin of Sodom. See Ezek 16:48-50 for a list of Sodom's sins. Be careful not to read into the Bible what is not there! The horrible thing we see in Gen 19 is an attempt at same-sex gang rape. Strangely enough, most Christians see the "same-sex" part and avoid the attempted "gang rape" part. A similar event happens in Judges 19, but in this passage it is opposite-sex gang rape - and unfortunately it was not an attempt, but it was completed,...and resulted in death for the girl. Rape is horrible!!! Two passages, both in condemnation of rape! Yet most Christians only know of the story of Sodom, and then wrongly use it to preach hate. How can anyone use a gang rape scenario to condemn a monogamous, committed relationship?! If you're gonna use the Bible to condemn homosexuality, turning to Gen 19 is an abuse and misuse of scripture! Be careful what you say, because the church's misguided teaching on this has resulted in many teen suicides. And their blood will be on your hands.
+Mountain Guy
There you go again always trying to defend homosexuality because you still no doubt practise it yourself, instead of giving it over to God and turn from that perverse way of life.
Let me remind you of something ok?
2 Peter 2 says:
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)- 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed.
Their destruction was an example to their filthy living way of life whether they gang raped or just lusted after another man.
You always seem to look for something to support a positive view for homosexuality using you head, rather than seeing the bible with the Spirit of God. You can't do it because you do not have the Spirit of God to understand the Word.
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Bob, NO, I look to support what the Bible says, which sometimes has been different than what the church says. You REALLY need to get beyond a first grade level of studying the Bible!!
@@mountainguy8332 Leviticus 18:22 is pretty clear.
@@lynette7369 sounds like you only read English. Am I correct?
Talk about a 1-sided interview. Scott got interrupted many times, could not finish his thoughts. Pitiful!
She is brave and loves God, so He loves her too, it is quite simple.
If she loved God, she wouldn't trample on the cross of Jesus by saying that he is not worthy of her love. She does this by living in homosexuality- an abominable sin that The Lord hates!
+BeatrixKiddo
Mathew 12:36
But I say to you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Be careful!
+Lilian Kabelle I agree
BeatrixKiddo What is simpler still is that she is promoting homosexuality in the church, and this will cost her soul
God doesn't love us in return for our love. His love is unconditional.
Not sure about bravery. Seems she is choosing the easy option. We are all sinners. I sin a lot. But all sinners need to repent and turn back to God and accept his mercy. If she can do this then she will be reconciled with God and ultimately live a happy life for eternity.
I don't think people get it being a homosexual is a sin. look in Leviticus 18 it lists all the sexual sins. sleeping with animals is in there sleeping with your mom or relative brother sister and a man with another man. we find all these things grotesque except the man with the man part! God does not pick and choose what he honors in his word he honors his whole word above his own name it says in the Bible and we are to do the same. not to say we aren't supposed to love them we are supposed to love everyone. we're to love the person but not their sin. I pray to God the he shows her the truth and delivers her from her sin that's all we can do is pray for her and her Deliverance from the lies that she has believed in so long
she 's got a PHD in theology... and now she's gonna straighten out God.
She said why do I have this feelings?...Well we cannot live a life led by our feelings and that is her problem we have to live a Spirit led life!
How do you think the spirit interacts with people?
You can see Vicky is troubled even though she says she is free .
Oh really? She seems to be the brightest person you'll ever see. Asserting that she's troubled only shows your impotent rage over the fact that she's happy with who she is and what she feels.
Lukas Vychopen well, it is clear in the bible God condemns it. She could just reject it all and leave her life as she wants instead of how God wants.
Celso Ramirez Well, if God wanted her to be born lesbian and now he changed his mind, he clearly has some issues with decision-making. If Bible said that it's only permitted for men to make love to other men, would you just say "hm, okay" and adjust your sexual orientation to homosexuality? Just like that? Would you spend the rest of your life in misery of denying that you're attracted to women just to make God happy? If that's the case, you make me sad.
Lukas Vychopen People get tempted by all sorts of sexual temptation especially today with media and pornography.
Vicky has bitten the apple or taken the bait of the evil one.
God has a clear view on this subject .
Anyone who supports homosexuality also invites God's wrath.
I never made the rules as I am created and He the Creator.
Love sometimes has to be tough !
anthony barnes Well, in the first place, God supports homosexuality be allowing people to be born gay or lesbian. Have you ever thought about that?
Philo A good Jewish Philosopher that lived in Jesus time line 20 BC - AD 40 If the prohibitions of the Levitical Holiness Code informed its meaning, arsenos koiten condemns shrine prostitution, based on the context of Lev 18 & 20. Philo lived at the same time Jesus lived. During the life of Christ, Philo understood Moses, in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, to be condemning shrine prostitution. Philo's understanding that the arseno-koit stem refers to shrine prostitution is 2000 years old. It is not a modern argument from gays and lesbians. Instead, it is the common first century Jewish viewpoint. Gays did not invent this viewpoint and because it did not originate with gays, it is not historical revisionism by gays seeking an alibi for our sin. If the arsenokoit stem from Leviticus 20:13, arsenos koiten, gave us the Greek word Paul used in 1 Cor 6:9 (most anti-gay Christians believe Paul borrowed the word from the Septuagint translation of Lev 18:22 and 20:13), then under-standing arsenokoites as a reference to shrine prostitution was the common first century view when Paul used the word in 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 Romans 1. Because the NIV did such a lousy job and mistranslated the Greek word, arsenokoitai, many people concluded that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God.
If the NIV translators had bothered to study instead of just going by what the Greek lexicons say, the gay community could have avoided a lot of pain and heartache.
Arsenokoitai has never been a reference to a lesbian couple or a gay male couple. Instead, in the first century, arsenokoitai referred to shrine prostitution or rape or having sex with angels. That is the behavior Paul described when he used the Greek word, (arsenokoitai shrine temple prostitution )which were from both genders when Pauls teaching was expressing woman left natural order was in refference to (arsenokoitai Shrine prostitution) heterosexual took part in it too not just gays. Bible had errors mere men and writters of said Bible wether John Wycliffe or King James said on terms of a dressing homosexual it was thier OPINIONS MERE MEN'S OPINIONS today's bible derived from John Wycliffe and King James Also Did you know they had REMOVED GODS NAME 7000 TIMES in the bible replacing it with titles such as God, Lord and King these were the many errors found in the bibles today. I am not a Christian I don't want to fall in a religion that Hurst and mentally scars someone. I AM IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH YEHSUA Jesus christ and I love him more then any of you would imagine I give praise to my God mostly every night with my piano playing. Being bullied by some christians that think gays wrong empowered me to be strong and loving even more. I LIVE BY THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT Which is LOVE, Joy Peace and longsuffering. My longsuffering is being scared of who I am cause on thoughts I might get beat up or murdered just for me loving someone.
Michael, very well said! If only others would spend the time to study the Bible as you have, then they would see how wrong the church has interpreted many passages. Most anti-gay Christians I ask admit their opinion on homosexuality was derived from a pastor or teacher, and not from their own study of God's word. This lack of "fact checking" contributed to the church's condonement of slavery in the south.
+Michael “Magic Lion” Mullen your close to the kingdom but not close enough. You have studied the bible but do not understand it as you read it like a normal book. it's not a history book which means everything said was meant for the time it was said in. When you have the Holy Spirit living in you then God has given you the mind of Christ to understand how the bible is a living word that shows everything and explains everything that takes place from the time when the old testament was written to today, the Word of God is timeless.even to today, It is history, It is Poetry, It is Prophecy, but more than that it is up to date and living!
Mathew 24:35 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away.
+Bob Radford I love your kind words and I do not disagree but know this I'm not here to argue I'm here to love You and other Even if some may consider me a wolf in sheep's clothing and or call me harsh names my friend I'm here to Love all even if my life ain't going the way as I planned I keep my Love strong for all and it's makes me become better towards my dad that does not Like gays and towards people who try to persecute me. I Remember Jesus christ traveled down this same path but in a different story I remember him Loving one another him being hurt and bullied and persecuted as well. I then look at my life and see it through his eyes and know that my life in it self ain't bad. Love you friend Keep God and love and peace in your heart Cause God Has plans for all even me A sexually open minded Guy that is tired of all the hate and bloodshed tired of people hurting each other we should look to the bible for inspiration to find God use the good not the bad out of it. Love is above the law and we should all walk in Love so I ask of you this one thing LOVE one another as you love yourself I'm tearing up cause this is my heartfelt message to You and to all who read this.
Mountain Man, and all who say it's okay to be gay, can we use the fruit standard to consider this matter? Even if you don't believe the Scriptures are inspired by God or the standard interpretation ( I acknowledge there are some word mis-translations but it shouldn't be attacked to push an agenda), what of the NATURAL INCOMPATIBILITY AND CONSEQUENCES of homosexual behaviour? Was the human body meant to be exposed to flames or drugs? The proof is in the eating of the pudding. How do gay people make love? Does it show a reasonable plan? As a married person who wonders at the amazing way God fit out the male and female body to align in intimacy, I wonder why we can think God would want the strange contortions required of gay coupling. He is an orderly God. Be sincere if you have a problem but do not accuse God of being the author of confusion. Same genders dont have any rhythm in love making. This alone is a sure sign. Romans 1 tells you nature speaks for God.
Rom 1:19 They know everything that can be known about God, because God has shown it all to them.
Rom 1:20 God's eternal power and character cannot be seen. But from the beginning of creation, God has shown what these are like by all he has made. That's why those people don't have any excuse.
Rom 1:21 They know about God, but they don't honor him or even thank him. Their thoughts are useless, and their stupid minds are in the dark.
Rom 1:22 They claim to be wise, but they are fools.
Rom 1:23 They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles.
Rom 1:24 So God let these people go their own way. They did what they wanted to do, and their filthy thoughts made them do shameful things with their bodies.
Rom 1:25 They gave up the truth about God for a lie, and they worshiped God's creation instead of God, who will be praised forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural.
Rom 1:27 Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and had strong desires for sex with other men. They did shameful things with each other, and what has happened to them is punishment for their foolish deeds.
Rom 1:28 Since these people refused even to think about God, he let their useless minds rule over them. That's why they do all sorts of indecent things.
Ita Udoh and what interpretation if it's the NIV and ot any other translation from THE king James version I'm sorry but you are Reading the wrong Highly misinterpreted bible.
She was never saved and now seeks to justify her sin. They gave him no real chance to respond because they knew he was right. What a sad, sad wretch of a woman.
Too bad scott lively wasn't delivered from the wrath of ignorance and hatred.
+mosichat Scott is heart broken. He doesn't hate cause he's telling her the truth so she won't go to hell. He sounds like a hater cause he hates the sin she is blinded by. But Truly he loves her; thats why he patiently and HONESTLY replies to the questions.
they hardly ever let him finish what he was saying - they were very biased against him - wasn't a fair game at all
How can you be a Christian and dismiss the spiritual realm 3:55-4:02. Jesus revealed the will of the Father and cast out demons all day long. He who sins is of the Devil for the devil has sinned from the beginning for this purpose the Son of God was manifested to destroy the works of the Devil(1John3:8). The Bible clearly teaches that if you living in sin a devil is living in you. Plain and simple truth.
I love her music, I met her in Chicago. heartbroken that she is decieved!
Have you considered that YOU could be the one deceived?!
+Micah Frey Then stop listening to it and get your heart right and understand she is an enemy of the cross.
+Mountain Guy Satanic words indeed!
+Bob Radford oh my heart is right. I also do not believe she is an enemy!
+Micah Frey
Mathew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathers not with me scatters abroad.
Because she will not repent of her perverted lifestyle, she stands against the word of God.
That makes her an enemy of the cross because she is misleading others to believe that God condones her lifestyle when He does not.
You may be sincere toward God, but your sincerely wrong if you cannot see this woman is willful and not willing to be disciplined by God.
Hebrews 12:6
or those whom the Lord loves He disciplines: and He scourges every son whom He acknowledges."
You still think she is not an enemy, well she is if she continues the way she is.
The Scriptures are very clear about homosexuality. What does it say? It's so clear. God says what He means and He means what He says.
And do you eat pork? The Bible says not to do that. Do you eat shellfish? Do you believe it is right to keep slaves, God encourages that in Leviticus Why major on this one aspect. I'm not gay and I am a Christian, which gives me empathy with people, such as Vicky, who has tried hard to deny her feelings, causing illness and loneliness. We must have compassion, Christ did.
Wow this confuses me???? But I am sure she spent her life confused as I did. Just not about the same kinds of things. Its painful sometimes to reconcile with the Bible but not really painful to reconcile with God......He lets me say the N word now..... NO !
Vicky is my queen
We have to die to ourself to follow god
I'm undecided about gay marriage; I thought civil partnership was perfectly fine. Vicky has been brave and honest, but I did think she interrupted the pastor a bit too much. However I wish her well.
+Pauline K. Are you a christian?
Beth S Yes.
WAKE UP!
You have absolutely no reason to be.
Homosexuals shall not enter the kingdom of God. This word is used twice in the New Testament; in the text we are examining as well as I TIMOTHY 1:10. It denotes one who would take the leading role in a homosexual relationship. It is not fashionable today to suggest that such activity is unrighteous and will keep one out of the kingdom of God, but that is what the Covenant of Jesus Christ says. Practicing homosexuality will keep one from entering heaven.
“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).
“But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted” (1 Timothy 1:8-11).
If you disregard what the Word of God has already condemned, you are not a "christian." There is no room for YOUR opinion.
If you still can't make up your mind, that is a very bad sign.
You wish her well? Your wishes are in vain. She is on the path of destruction, and all you can do is wish her well? Christ has offered us a way of salvation, and she has clearly strayed from the truth and succumbed herself into a delusional lie that God is somehow okay with her sinful behavior, and willful rebellion and you wish her well? Your wishes are nothing but garbage.
You're not undecided about gay marriage, you're undecided on whether or not you want to follow Jesus Christ 100%, with no compromise to His truth or whether to mix in a few lies in their to lessen our call as believers. If you can't makeup your mind after reading what the WORD has already made clear to you in regards to homosexuality than I don't know what else to tell you other than what you are is a weak testimony of who Christ is.
Beth S Yes dear, now run along.
+I Bethany I. Bethany, you REALLY need to do your homework!! The word "homosexual" wasn't even in the Bible until 1942. Do you even know the Greek word it replaced?! Stop believing everything your pastor says and GO STUDY IT FOR YOURSELF!!!!
You heard him! He's got a Thd...
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Vicky you aren't gay
Luke 6:37
+Kathy Maxted Why do you say Vicky Beeching isn't gay?
Gaslighting
This is the true. The Word of God totally condems homosexually and lesbianism as a sin. In the book of Romans 1:26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
They are others passages that talk about this sin also.
Many people will try to enter heaven their own way but the Word of God is clear.
I pray that Vicky and others that have comment on this video come to the knowledge of the truth of God.
Blessings.
So basically she deceived everyone so she could make money from songs she wrote for the church to sing. She never really believed in them because on the inside she believed something completely different. In conclusion she needed to extract as much money as she could by way of deceiving her audience that she was the same as them before coming "out". Isn't she such a wonderful role model for the whole of humanity, NOT!! Check out American Greed she should get a spot on that show....
Let me rewire you right quick Vicky.... Why? : * (
The average Christian is beyond clueless about these issues. The LGBT community is PROPHECY fulfilled. This is a great sign. Yeshua's arrival is coming.
‘That’s how I’m wired’ ... So what about the sinful nature ?
God still loves her, but His Word is clear about His standards. Sin exists and is the reason Christ came. In both the Old and New Testament it is clear that marriage is between a man and a woman. We live in an age of freewill which is fine, but one cannot claim to be a follower of Christ and live your own way. It is a contradiction to be in ministry and live in sin.
God is the God of the living. Our understanding of sexuality has changed in 2000 years. If homosexuals want to follow Jesus, they most certainly can.
What a true man of God this preacher is!!!! Thank you sir, for standing on God's word!!!! The Lord bless you!
Vicky, wish you would remember the wonder of the cross. May God help you overcome.
he is just sad to listen too! Vicky
Vicky is too emotional and is letting her feeling overpower her character. A complete bash piece of the pastor. This is what we all have to look forward to when the truth is spoken. Asked a question, trying to answer calmly - you get no say.
when i see things like this, when i look at the world and see what the world is changing into, i can only pray and sing in this season of Advent Oh Come oh come Emmanuel
She seems to more interested in worshipping science and the world and not the Most High.
Well science gave you the internet that you are rambling on. At least medical science can fight cancer whereas god seems to care too little to intervene with a child who has a tumor ravaging their body.
@@jeremywright9511 well said!
you cant be a gay Christian in Christianity. If you don't like it then, its not for you. Come back when your ready to address your flesh. God is not going to change his word for sin. We have to work on our sin, God is not changing the bible to make sin suit you. The is false teaching and not the way it works.
That's like saying, ''okay, I'm boasting that I'm a murderer. I even take pride in it. But bless God, I am a Christian.'' You see, it doesn't make any sense.
Because being homosexual is on par with committing a murder ?
No one can live a continuous carnal lifestyle and be a Christian. It's not possible.
+Justin Osborne Yes, taking someones life and loving someone is just the same... God loves her so much.
Justin, you REALLY need to do your homework!!
+Justin Osborne One can live a continual lifestyle and be a carnal Christian but they are not Born Again. A Born Again Bible believing, Spirit Filled and saved from the wrath of God to come a true Christian believer.