Yamaha 250 vs 250 ?
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2021
- We talk about the new 2022 YZ250 compared to the Yamaha YZ250F --- which bike is best for which riders?
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Yamaha was genius to keep making the YZ250 when everyone else stopped... except KTM. No need to change what works. 👍
They should make a bike like the kdx 200 .
Cheaper than a 250F, faster than a modded 250F, smoother and more powerful than ever before and all that was changed was the air box. Absolutely insane, imagine if this bike had as much development as 4 strokes. Can’t wait to see what people think about the all new 2022 YZ125
Noo 😂
@@allgood6535 lol the bikes have been the same for years
@@GummyONSolana I think they changed the graphics In 2010 Thats it 4t are the real race bike power from word go not waiting for it to kick in.
@@allgood6535 If you are "waiting for it to kick in" you are doing it wrong.
@@allgood6535 What?
I think that the 4 strokes are over rated. That fact that 2 strokes have been neglected for years is a detriment. I sure hope they start to make a comeback. They really deserve it.
other way around bud
No doubt 2 strokes are fun but don't sit here and lie to yourself and say that the 4strokes aren't better on basically every track
@@zylfrax791 you obviously havent ridden the 2022 yz 250 the bike doesnt vibrate bad like the previous models did i have no idea how.... but i owned a 2018 and it vibrated really bad i hated it and now i own a 2022 model and its night and day difference in the handeling dept.not sure if its the new subframe or suspension settings that helped with vibration but its good now. ancient technology or not what matters is parts and availabilty these days...
@@zylfrax791 you need to ride one of the newer ktm 2 strokes vibration is minimal
EMX Championship is popping off with two strokes no wonder them damn euros are badass in the outdoors
The ancient AMA rule that a four stroke could have double the CC has been taken advantage of by technology at a huge price increase.
I had a 2007 yz250 so pretty much the same thing minus the plastics and air box. Such a rad bike. I love 4 strokes but I just can’t get over how much simpler a 2 strokes are. And just easier and cheaper to deal with long term.
Nice video! Worth noticing that Nicholas Lapucci just won the European MX championship on a 250 2s (Fantic bike) against all 4s!💪🏻
I wish the AMA would drop the 450 class and run a mixed 2502t/3504t class. It would fix supercross!
Absolutely true. That would be a real competition on what customers use, love and want to see
Hell yeah
Great video Jay! That was a really insightful comparison between the two bikes. Thanks for all of the info!
Glad you liked it!
Yes I am getting one around February! Switching from a crf250r. I've never personally owned a smoker so I'm super stoked!
I got mine a few months ago and its made me so addicted to riding again. As a weekend warrior, the track is just so much more engaging and fun. Youre gonna love it dude
32/1 mixed gas, don't lean that ratio out on yamaha and your engine will last. Ktm runs leaner ratio, but they are different. My 2018 yz250 has over 220 hours on the stock piston. Zero fouled plugs.
They are fun till the track gets dry
I just bought one too! Mine will be here in November! Although probably 90% of my riding will be in the woods I’ll have to convert it to an X model. But I got this one because of the restyling and also I couldn’t find an X model, everything is sold out. It’ll be a nice change from my old RM250
@@evanwilliams6352 Its more worth it to get this version than the X right now anyway. The geometry with the slim profile is so nice on singletrack. Might be tricky getting a larger tank for a little bit. I just throw a gatorade bottle of gas in the backback haha
2 stroke if you want a good fun bike, 4 stroke if you like men
What about a bike that you can commute with but still use on the trails?
@@s1e_dm Usually dual purpose bike are a compromise. They do not do anything real good but they do a lot of things ok. It depends on what you want.
@@Mr10usdad OK is good, where I live there are alot of gravel roads and tar roads so I think a dual sport would work well here if it can do both.
Just bought a 2022 250x and it’s the best bike I’ve ever had. It’s so much fun to ride and easy to work on
I’ve had my 22 yz250x for almost two months now. The YZ is a great bike for trails and open desert 🌵 ripping. Just needs a bigger tank for extended rips!
I'm an older off road guy that plays at the track some. I love my YZ250X. I think the only bike I would upgrade to would be a new 250X if Yamaha throws the upgrades at it next year, although they will need to find a way to put a bigger tank on it as I understand that the new bike has a smaller tank than the 2021s and older. Great review, thanks!
I love my yz250x to 🤠👍
Have the same one 2022
I have a 2017 YZ250X with a SmartCarb and it's STUPID amounts of fun to ride. I'll be keeping her until the frame disintegrates.
If Yamaha made a dedicated WR250X with solid updates that would be so awesome. Something to compete with the KTMs.
300. 6 speed. Magic button.
They make the 4 stroke, but I think you mean a woods ready yz250wr 2 stroke woods weapon, comparable to the ktm xc-w250 n 300 2 strokes.
E start , lights, wide ratio 6 speed, bark busters and efi. I know id buy one.
Yamaha makes a yz250x? It’s the same as the WR. It had a wide ratio transmission, lower compression, 18” rear wheel, a kickstand, a gas petcock with reserve, and a couple other changes that I’m forgetting. But my dad has one and it’s sick
@@traviszilliox557 no those bikes are awesome but if they had a option like the WR with lights, plate ready, electric start and possibly EFI something cheaper than the KTMs 250/300.
@@endurotruckererniedesjardins yup you got right idea! 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Great vid, Jay! I love YZ's.
I've only had the chance to ride 4 strokes. Really hope to try one of these epic 2 strokes some day. Thanks for posting!
It will probably scare the shit outta you if you’ve never ridden one, they are way different, I’d compare it to driving a turbo car. When the boost kicks in it’s probably to late if your not ready for it lol
I own a yz250 and it’s wicked fast, even for a 20 year old bike. Ive ridden my buddies 450 and it’s also extremely quick but the power delivery on a 2t keeps you on your toes.
@@mileaux Awesome bike. I have a totally restored 1995 CR250. It looks like new. I love it!
2 strokes are great, but don't hold your breath for a comeback, or huge R&D from Yamaha. I'm glad the YZ125 got a makeover and the 250 got some updates, but the writing on the wall seems obvious to me. I wouldn't be surprised to see the end of Yamaha's 2 stroke lineup by the late 2020's TBH. They're pretty much impossible to green sticker, which means you won't even be able to ride one on public land in California, and I'd bet other states are going to start becoming more strict with offroad emissions as well. Sucks man. 2 strokes will always have a special place in my heart. My first bike was a YZ85, so many fond memories on that bike.
Leave California and don’t have to worry about green/red sticker
It's a motocross bike..who cares about public land?
California sucks balls.
So what your saying is an over bearing government (communism), is telling us what to make and buy where to ride and we should reject communism and demand our free enterprise back.
Ya know what, you are the 2nd sharpest guy in these comments sections. :)
Great video!
Thanks!
I love my 2018 yz250, I ride enduro on it. Have over 220 hours on the stock piston and sparkplug.
Before anyone buys a 4 stroke, thing to consider is repair costs.
Look into the price of a new head complete with valves n seals and gaskets set cylinder, piston kit, and timing chain, then price the comparable 2 stroke rebuild. Then be honest with urself and how much extra money you have for a rebuild ever 60 hours on the 4 stroke or 100 hours on the 250 2 stroke, 60 on a 125 2 stroke. Enduro riding double the rebuild time because your not tapped into the rev limiter all day like a mx track riden bike. In 41 years of dirtbikes, I've realized 2 stroke is best for my family. We just have to many bikes to afford 4 stroke race bikes. Thats the bottom line.
Could not agree with you more 👏 long live the smoker's and I hope there 2 strokes in heaven 🙏
I have a 120 hours on my crf450r, starts first kick
@@wyattglass3581 got 248hrs on my crf still on the original top end and it's been used for desert riding with the occasional mx ride don't know where he's pulling 60hrs from haha
@@tcmx712 that's alot of hours for a 4 stroke mx bike. Id be afraid.ive seen a few oem Crf pistons split in 2 right above the wrist pin at far less hours. If your not hard on it , hitting the over rev all the time it'll definitely last longer.
I’m looking to get a yz125x/250x. I’m 22, 5’11 175-200lbs. Should I get a 125 or 250 2 stroke? anyone?
Perfect weekend warrior machine... easy and cheap to keep fresh.
I bought a 21, parts for the rest of my life for sure and great suspension, smoker for life!
Another awesome video
I love my yz250 2 stroke ! Everything is bone stock. Absolute dream bike!
It was a nightmare for me. To make is comparable to the 90's (approx) bikes, I had to lower the suspension/seat, do engine work to shift the power to the lower rpm's, (I don't ride freeway speed MX tracks against 450 4-strokes),--and get rid of that goofy abstract art plastic from some artists of the batman school of art.
Now---it is a good bike.
:)
All I know is 2 stroke and love them.
One thing to remember if you find a 250 2 stroke hard to ride then you shouldn't be riding at all
Thank you .
Seems like a good platform for xc race bike.
love that they now make an offroad yz 250!
Not as good as the off road YZ250 I turned my bike into. :)
2 strokes a lot more fun for none racing.
They should have put a clear tank on it like KTM enduros have so the fuel level can be seen.
So, what were the dyno results or where can I find them? I'm really curious about the torque curve of the engine especially so with Yamaha attributing the new intake system for it.
Couldnt be more true.. I rode an RM125 in my teens back in the early 2000's. Sold it and moved on around 2005. I was wanting to get back into riding last year and being older and heavier than my younger self, I bought and RM250. Huge mistake on my part. Still have the 02 RM250 but rarely ride it. I bought a 2021 CRF250R and couldnt be more happy with it.
250F's are allowed in the 125 class. 450F's are allowed in the 250 class.
Plus, 2 Strokes are just flat out a more fun bike to ride.
Depends if your at camping I go camping a lot had a 2 smoker but the fuel efficiency wasn’t the best as the 4 stroke you can ride all day depending on your ride in the bush
Just learn to ride
@@Shane454 - Thank you for your valuable input. Just wait for your other nut to drop before talking to the adults
@@Shane454 Thank you for your valuable input.
I wouldn't notice the difference with my riding ability but I'd be smiling either way.
Ypud definitely notice a huge difference between 2 stroke and fourstroke the fact that your sayimg you wouldnt speaks for your lack of riding experience 2 strokes are a whole different animal
Not trying to say you cant ride but the difference between a 2 stroke and fourstroke is huge even pros would notics a difference
@@maxlaufer-clapp4114 I think you've misunderstood what I was referring to, the revised 2022 yz250 two stroke compared to previous models. most riders wouldn't notice quicker lap times , but would benefit getting their suspension tuned to their ability then going out to buy the latest model, It's 80 percent the rider 20 percent the bike , sooner people realise this the better off most riders will be.
I agree with you i like the 21 yz 125 2 stroke but i preffer my 4 stroke i feel like its easier to handle thats my opinion
Easier to ride. not opinion, fact.
Two Stroke Will absolutely destroy the 4 stroke in the hands of a competent rider EVERY time. Period. Politics fucked 2 strokes just like it does Everything it touches. If we are ever to bring back real racing, Racers MUST Unite and Refuse to race until Real Race Bikes (2 strokes) are brought back. All electronic rider “aides” must be Removed .
😑
Couldn't have said it better myself.
You are WRONG but U r intitled 2 your opinion. Do you have your pro card?Do you even watch pro MX races? Do realize that the top 10 champions of the world won recently on 4t in MX. Watch the biggest best racers race and learn something kido
@@shannonscott5788 Because ever since 2005 after winter season the manufacturers and states were pushing for the 4 stroke because of emissions. Still to this day, most of the top guys wish they can race two strokes as they saw their idols racing them. 4 strokes were forced in its been a decade with 4 strokes racing. Racing is always good but never as really exciting hearing some 2 strokes lining up at a gate with the sound, and smell very distinct components.
Socially speaking life gets too long while carrying chunkier stuff top of dat nicely mentioned cost effective maintenance of 2stroke makes sense
Thanks for saying that the 2 stroke is faster than a 4 stroke, I haven’t been on a bike for years now and I kept seeing comments from the 4 stroke crowd on other videos saying there 4 stroke is faster. Thanks for clarifying that.
Obviously fatster then the 250 4 stroke, its when they start saying they are faster than the 450 🤦♂️
Faster? Have you seen a 2t on the podium since like 2006? And I don't mean so induro or whatever BS...
@@assman199491 250 vs 250, the 2 stroke is faster. You don’t see them on the podium because 125s have to run with 250 4 strokes.
I own both, the 2 stroke is definitely a faster bike. For me personally I’m faster for 1 lap on a 2 stroke, but faster over a whole moto on the 4 stroke. The 4 stroke is much easier to ride. Which is good for me because I don’t ride as much as I used to.
@@jowens4160 - faster where??? Seems like nobody here has ever been on a Supercross style track.... if you haven't you are gana base that on a straight line, trail type of BS riding! So yes a drag race the 250 2t will win.... in a real race it won't do as well on a tight Supercross type track which is what its made for. I own a 450 and I plan on buying a new YZ250 for the track and my 450 for my ramps.... I had more confidence on my 250F off my freestyle ramps than I did on my CR250...
maybe someday my local dealer will get some in stock, the only ones I can find are priced at $9999 and 200 miles away.
Ouch!
You could race 250f vs 250 in the EMX 250 Championship. The Recently crowned 250 EMX Champion won on a Fanatic 250 two stroke. The rider needs to be skilled and a damn good team. To bad the AMA are stuck in their ways and won't permit 250 two strokes to race in their own class.
Much Love to Yamaha the Only Japanese Manufacturer that still produces two strokes and Yamaha is on the move in the American Scene of Motocross 🔵
“Cough” Kawasaki
@@Honoer switching to Blue 250 2t soon...
All this needs is a STIC Super X carb. But only if you want power at 300 levels. I've got one on an old 200SX and it pulls new 250F's. I'm suddenly mixing it up with 450F's. To keep it in control, I run the slowest turn G2 throttle cam. On the tight trails it has unstoppable grunt and lofts the wheel in an instant. YAT No Choice
Not if you know how to jet a rich, stock carb.
That’s pretty much the same price people are trying to charge for 20 yr old 2 strokes 😂
People be crazy on used 2 stroke prices! Someone just asked me to buy a 2015 250 sx for 4500....
They are becoming endangered that's why..
And not to mention those engines are apsolutely amazing doesn't need any change, don't get better than oldschool..
Two smoke life!
Fastest lap time ever recorded was on a 250f racing with 450s motor size has nothing to do about going fast
If you go a tooth less on the front sproket you will have way more bottom end power .. wheel spinning power.
First off, you are riding the 2 stroke like a 4 stroke, you can't do that. not without a heavy flywheel weight. get on the Pipe, steer with the rear. I have a 2009 250, still rides like the day I brought her home. only thing I have done is a Flywheel for the woods, and a Lectron Carb just because I wanted it.
Can not wait for 2024 when they bring out their YZ300cc 2 stroke with fuel injection, oil injection and electric start that they showed at bike shows in Europe.
If this 250 had an electric start I would buy for offroad again.
Really. I have no interest in buying what the EPA is forcing on us. Can't afford it. Good luck to the sport.
Have you guys tested the AJP bikes? I read somewhere that Jotagas is building a 300cc enduro bike.
My number one question is what used bike should I be looking at for a good single track trail bike? Will ride on the road rarely. Looking for a 4 stroke.
Probably get a 2t if looking for tighter trails and more fun focused riding
When i was young everyone had motorcycles to go explore the desert. You could find used bikes for 100$. I thought id go buy the new ct125 to tool around in. Boy did i get sticker shock. How the hell did recreational motorcycles get so expensive. I now see why riding is a dying past time.
What was the horsepower for the 2 stroke?
2t’s are for skilled riders. 4t’s are for over weight not so killed riders.
Should I get a yz250fx or crf250rx
Do some lap times. The clock doesn't lie.
who rides dirt bikes searching for an easier ride ? easier ? yes you do have to explore your skill ans talent limitations as you would say learning to play the violin vs learning to DJ .You can never really max out the potential of a two stroke motocross bike simply due to the way power is made available to the rider the delivery of that power can be infinitely changed or played into the ground . . Rather than the linear predictable power you get from an oversized vacuum pump .
I would go 4 stroke. Yes it's simple but it's not about the sound or the power it's about the smile and a 4stroke gives confidents and is fun. A 2 stroke just trying to scare you.
You should try a video game. Easier to get confidence yet.
@@EarthSurferUSA
Don't know where you think your going with that advise🤷🏻♂️ just another "2strokeFW" idiot or ?
Plus this will be better in the dunes vs the 4 stroke.....
I'll keep my 2 smokers all day, every day. I don't mind mixing fuel.
I like manual over automatic transmissions in my vehicles. Same scenario in my book.
I think its the best deal in motocross.
The off road vershions fall short of the ktm bench mark.
hello good video, what proportion of oil and gasoline do you use in the yz, I think the manufacturer indicates that you use too much, thanks in advance greetings
why doesnt yamaha put the 2 stroke in the updated frame?
Hey can you get your hands on the kx112
250 smoker ftw overall more fun to ride and in the long run cheaper to maintain. Unless you're a top pro rider you don't need latest greatest technology. Can't wait to get my 250X next year.
I purchased a 19 250x and you will live that bike 1 word amazing 👏 and now with about 80 hrs its been bullet proof zero issues and just a blast to rip
250x is one of the best bikes I’ve ever ridden. Beast in the woods and still more than rideable at the track.
I had a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke but the issue with the 2 stroke it used to much fuel especially when I’m at camping I can’t always go to the fuel station but the 4 stroke I can take it anywhere and have fun still with plenty of fuel
I get a kick out of the guys that ride the piss out of their 250 four strokes with NO maintenance. As we all know, they slowly....then quite quickly start running bad until they implode. If I had a dime for every clapped-out, non running four stroke out there. I'm 60 and grew up on two strokes. That being said, I'll take the healthy, well maintained four stroke any day. I remember I bought a new YZ250F back in '05, put a pro circuit exhaust on it and a few other personal preferences and I was hooked! Just easier for a old squid like me to go fast on.
I see this: We used to fix and modify our own bikes, (I still do on my 2-strokes, 60 here also), but we have a dysfunctional generation that does not want to figure out and work on anything, (so they will end up in poverty). We fixed them and kept riding until we wanted a different bike, (which were getting really better every year till the 1986 production rule). They ride them until they break, and that can be all the life that bike will see if nobody ants to plunk 2 grand to fix it, (or figure how to do it).
10,000 disposable bikes. Great. What will the "EPA FORCE" come up with next for us to endure?
2 strokes are for me for sure 4 strokes don't rev fast like a 2 stroke and I'm pretty crazy when I ride I don't like 450's a 250 2 stroke is the best if you can port and do carb mods they are just better unless if you can't handle the ride lol
I wish yamaha had the adjustability of the ktm power valve. Yamaha hasnt changed their power valve in a long time. Ktm allowing you to change the pv spring and allowing some "mapping" with the cdi.
The RM last gen power valve adjustment is perfect.
I have a KTM 300SX (19) and a YZ250 (08). The YZ doesnt need a adjuster. It´s powerband is fantastic for MX.
@@fourtynine17 for mx yes. But the 250x..... i think more adjustment wouldnt hurt.
@@TheShift1313 sure, more wouldn hurt, agree
@@TheShift1313 you can remove a shim in the power valve, it opens a bit sooner and smoother.
I put the apex head with XC dome and did the power valve mod in my 250x, it is absolutely wonderful to ride, nothing like stock.
I thought they compared the 250 2 stroke to a 450 4 stroke
2 stroke if you want to have more fun, 4 stroke if you are trying to win races. As simple as that
You're wrong, the Recently crowned EMX Champion won on a 250 two stroke. They should remain in the class as they were rightfully so. Now the AMA needs to make 250 two strokes eligble to race could be a very competitive with privateers who are good.
@@eric6rock the AMA does allow two strokes to race in the same class as four strokes. I race in the Grand National Cross Country Series (GNCC) and I’ve been running against four strokes my entire life on my two smoker
I lost brain cells reading this comment your clueless man
@@Cam___ Not in Pro MX or SX. That's why you see 125cc two strokes running in the 250F Pro class.
@@Cam___ Not in the supercross pro class
Do you think the 250 two stroke will get the 125 updates next year?
Yes. Or in 24.
Idk why but I hate jumping 2 strokes I switched back to a 250f and I’d have no problem sending it high
I grew up on 4 strokes and the lack of engine braking with 2 strokes just destroys my confidence coming into corners and off jumps. Confidence is everything when hitting a dangerous jump.
@@harrypeterson9287 We downshifted with out eh clutch going into corners, let it a gear high, and slipped the clutch to push that higher gear. If you had to fan the clutch more than once to keep the rpm's up in the power, you had to go into the corner faster. How is your corner speed today? I see you guys. :)
We also "chopped the throttle off" as the front the left the lip of the jump. Easier in lower rpm's. The earlier you chopped the throttle, the lower the front end would drop. You get used to it pretty quick.
Is that dirty freeway called Glen Helen the only track left in CA.?
Of course a 2 stroke is much more lively and just a blast to ride.
4 strokes are a lazier version of racing.
Muito linda essa moto 2tempos 😍💓💓
Amazing video I have a question never ride this type of a bike so I want to buy something just for funn riding around country side, dirt roads this kind of stuff. Any recommend brand and model?
Your size matters, but I believe you would be very happy with a Honda (still the best quality), 4-stroke (bullet proof fun motors), trail bike that that is legal to ride the roads.
The Honda XR line has a long history of great trail bikes with mild mannered but capable engines (and planet of mods for them too if you get more serious), and even pretty old used ones that have been take care of is not very risky. Having a good mechanic look at one with you is still a good idea though.
You are smart,---not going for a MX race bike for your first bike. If you are under 180lbs, a XR250 is an excellent first bike. I think they still make a 350 too, but not sure if you are bigger.
The XR bike is a little more off road set up than the XL line.
When did they stop putting grab handles in side covers?
I agree, it's irritating. At least running a seat strap is a good alternative and only a few bucks.
I n 1996 the manufacturers said hey let's race four stroke bikes. against the two stroke bikes. They are harder to work on so people have to come to the dealers to have them fixed. Then someone said since they are slower let's have he AMA change the rules. We will take the 250 two strokes out of their division and put them in the 450cc division where they are less competitive. Then people will think two strokes are inferior. Wow this a great idea. We can make lots of money.
Just wanna chime in with something that I’ve thought about and ultimately led me to buy a 2 stroke.
Are all the big names in moto riding 4 strokes? Yes. Are they the fastest on the track? Debatable, but I’d say yes. Are they the easiest to ride? Yes.
But you know what a lot of those riders have, sponsors, mechanics, paychecks, factory support, etc.
They have a team dedicated to rebuilding their 4 stroke. While I’m sure there’s 2 stroke riders getting the same treatment, it’s much more affordable and simpler for a privateer or the average Joe to live with and maintain a 2 stroke.
There is a much better reason that has to do with our and our kids future. When the 2-stroke were developed and took over the 4-strokes of the late 60's, they were developed by private companies, and using them decreased the cost of a bike just before the sport blew up in the USA, (10 times at least bigger than today in bike sales).
The 4-stroke (and electric now) are pushed by a dictatorship called the EPA, forced on the industry. FORCE, as only communism knows.
if we don't want to live under communism that is taking over the industries that more free people built,---we have to reject it, and the business it stole from us to fund itself.
Nothing better than a 250 two stroke. 👊
If one could say the YZ250 2-stoke has good bottom end power,---we have really never ridden many 250cc 2-strokes. It is about as soft down low as a 250cc MX bike has ever been. All top end power if you want to go fast. it is made to try to keep up on a MX track, which it won't do against 450's, and that makes the engine needing mods for off road, if you want good power for that. It is a bike that can be modified the way you want, but stock,--it is not really great at anything today. Too damn tall too. That was stupid.
They aren't equals from a power standpoint. The two stroke fires every time, four stroke every other. The four stroke has 50% higher rpm. Thus, 250F's compare to 125's, not 250 two strokes. The 125 is a good bit lighter than the 250F. The only way to compare the two as race bikes is to put them into the hands of beginners.
They're not that far apart, the years of development have closed the gap. A modern 250f with just an exhaust will put out 41-43 at the tire, a 250 smoker 46. It would only take a little headwork to match the power of a 250 2 stroke on a 250F, and I'd bet four strokes are only 3-5 years away from matching the power of the 250 2 stroke. A 500 two stroke makes about the same as a modern 450f does. 2 strokes are not making some grand comeback, they're too dirty in comparison to their 4 stroke bretheren and more people prefer to ride 4 strokes anyway.
I love me a 2 stroke, don't get me wrong. In fact the only dirtbike I have in my garage right now is a KX125, but it's not 2007 anymore, four strokes have made a lot of progress.
@@DoctorMotorcycle Nonsense. Compare like with like...light modded 250f@41hp, light modded two stroke 53+. Do you know what would happen if they let 250 two strokes legal in the 250f national class? There wouldn't be a single four stroke on the gate.
@@johncamara1650 they do it basically around the whole world even in America except the ama…. Nothing has happened 2stroke wins some races some races it doesn’t. It’s really a closer match than it seems. Heck they don’t even hardly get the whole shots. You people that say this are killing 2 strokes as much as anyone else is. When’s the last 250 2 stroke that’s placed top 10 in a 450 outdoor national. How many even qualifies…. About 1 per year makes it into the race let alone places… quit saying this crap peak power is not everything, get out of the house and go watch some races and quit hanging on that bull crap your uncle told you when you was a kid.
@@Honoer I'm talking about pro riders. Others cannot handle the power of the two stroke 250 to make it work for them. I'll say it again: if you let the two stroke 250 run against the four stroke 250 in the pro class there will not be a single four stroke on the gate. Not talking about weekend warriors/amateurs. Thus, the bikes aren't even close
The only real way to compare them is by comparable power output. A 250 4-strtoke now makes about the same 45hp that a 250 2-stroke does for a MX bike. It would be pretty fair to race them together today.
2 strokes require much more skill to make go fast... Also much more fun to ride and cheaper to maintain... Although the 4 strokes have made for exciting racing at the top level they totally hurt the sport on the amateur level ..
Since two strokes are harder to ride it makes the racing more exciting. There are more mistakes and more changes in the lead.
2 strokes are harder to ride lol riight
@@doge666master I only ride two strokes. I should have said, "I hear they are harder to ride".
@@doge666master they are harder to ride right. Anyone can lug a 2t, but keeping it on the pipe at all times takes a bit of practice.
250 2 stroke has way more kick than the 4 stroke
YZ 250 MX 2t.
I would pick the 2 stroke if I could only have one choice,,n Yamaha 2 stroke or 4 stroke either one you pick can't go wrong Owened ft 250 n xt 500 loved them both not race bikes but I could beat the shit out them n they still ran strong when I got rid them
Open up a 250 open class where any 250 gets to race. I’d imagine if 2 strokes are successful, we’d see more manufacturers bring em back.
We don't understand a dictatorship called the EPA.
2-stroke wins, as allways.
Too bad neither of these bikes are off-road legal in CA. Have to be ridden on tracks or closed course :(
How tall are you
If you're not willing to stay on the pipe you're not gonna enjoy riding a 2 stroke.
Only true if the power is at the higher rpm range, as the YZ250 is. Stock, it is like a bigger 125.
I changed all that. :)
You are shifting so early you're not reaching the peak power. It's a difficult transition from a 4 stroke to a 2 stroke. The OEMs are still not trying to go cutting edge with the 2 strokes. The original thing was to have the 125 2C compete with the 250 4C. Same thing with the 250/450. The 4 strokes have greatly advanced so the formula no longer works. A 175cc and 330cc would be competitive with 4 strokes.
With that said, the new 2 stroke 400 Yammie snowmobile has 65 hp.
Good point. It was said and widely believed that a 2-stroke of the same displacement of a 4-stroke would make twice the power of a 4-stroke.
That still may be true in some forms of racing, (Honda does make a 90hp v-twin 250 2-stroke street bike engine), but not in MX anymore. The 2-stroke can make double the power still,---but not work well on a MX track. The 4-stroke engine, hooking up to the ground with less beats, allows more HP to be manageable,---but also deadly I am seeing, as people are dying on the track now. Cant sue the dictatorship EPA for that.
My son's 2014 YZ250 2 stroke with an fmf pipe and silencer is the wickedest 250 I've ever rode. Almost scared to line up against it with my CR500.
Lol the cr would smack it if it’s well maintained
@@Motoroilpancakes Ya the old 87 CR500 is fresh and badass, I'm sure you're right but the top end charge of that YZ250 blows my mind when I ride it. I'm sure 0-70 it's faster than my 2022 CRF450RL.
that fmf pipe has little to do with it..
They updated the 125 way more.
What do you have mounted on the crossbar pad ??
A watch to time my motos--
The 125 got all the changes
Forget faster or slower, it comes down to noise. We have a nice patch of woods next to a farm roughly 1/3 of a mile from us. Since everyone has been going to 4 strokes you cannot hear anything. Twenty years ago when everyone was riding 2 strokes the noise was insane. To me, 4 strokes are a win win for kids and neighbors.
What? 4 strokes are way louder. my ears ring from them with a helmet on when im standing behind one 2 strokes are just higher pitched thats all
@@visionvfx. you’re probably right. I was thinking along the line of XR250, XR500 maybe an XL line which were very very quiet. I did go to several Supercross races several years ago and the bikes were deafening loud. Someone told me they were going through the gears at 12K rpms which is crazy. I often wonder what happens to an engine when a timing change or connecting Rod goes. The worse thing that happen to my Elsinore was that a ring cracked in half.
2ts are louder up close, but the lower grumble from the 4t will travel much farther. In other words, the 2t is louder standing right next to it, but from a distance you will hear the 4t longer than you would the 2t.
For MX tracks across the nation, the 4-strokes proved to be more loud, and the lower frequency travels through the air for longer distances.
When the EPA forced the 4-stroke on the industry, all the sudden the track owners were getting complaints of noise that they have not had in decades.
You are talking about nice little 4-stroke trail bikes. The 4-stroke race bikes, despite their garbage can size silencers, (more dangerous in a crash), are more loud than a well maintained 2-stroke.
Lap Times ????
I thought the carb had changed from a Mikuni to Keihin ?
They've had Keihins for a while. My 02 has one.
@@terraaquafirma6631 they must have changed in later years as up to 2021 have Mikuni TMX carbs
Two strokes are still considerably disadvantaged to the fours
Of course, 4's can be double the cc
Really? All I see as an advantage is the fact that power from the 4-strokes hooks up to the ground better than racing 2-strokes. The price, complexity and damage to the market share (less people can buy more expensive bikes), has all but destroyed the sport for 9 out of 10 kids who used to be able to afford a bike, and grow the sport.
Anybody wanna tell me if the compare laptimes or not? I dont wanna waste my time on opinions and shit.
2 strokes shine on single track whereas 4 strokes, not so much.
2 stroke all day
You build a lot of bikes, have you ever had or heard of many transmission failures on the 19-21 yz250f’s?
@@endurotruckererniedesjardins that is not the issue. It’s 19-20 specifically were breaking gears in the transmission
@@NickW90 yeah saw michael lindsay from VitalMx talking about it in the forums before should be able to find it in there, I think it was the 16-19 models and it was fixed in '20. Also I've been riding crf's and ktm's in race conditions for 15 years now averaging 200+hrs a year and never used the clutch to change gears and have never broken or damaged a gearbox ever
@@tcmx712 thanks man I’ll check it out. Can’t go wrong with a honda
They lost me when they forgot the electric start
It’s not hard to kick a 250 two stroke at least it shouldn’t be…
Be a man
@@mileaux an old one🤣
@@brucekimpton4725 just keep on kickin’ 💪🏽
Since California is outlawing the sale of red sticker bikes, the YZ 250 could disappear.
The rest of the USA should outlaw California.
@@rodrossi9749 guess im an outlaw 😎